I honestly think this was set up I'm a car fanatic and vipers have at least 400hp stock so for it to get smoked that bad was a bs call it should at least have kept up with both gn regardless if there boosted I'm running 20lb on boost and I know stock vetts that can keep up..
@chouser3216: It's a 3.8L V-6 Turbocharged Buick Grand National. (from the Regal line), A Buick Regal is a N/A 3.8L V-6. (Slow as fuck) All you have to do a GN is turn up the fuel pressure & boost, install a dump tube, get a set of street slicks & learn how to launch it properly & you're in the mid/low 12's. Pal.
@Sideler74 good you know how to use forum and google? proud of yourself ? lol and no your actually wrong about it being slow as fuck bein the fact it was beating the camaros on the drag strip. Dont argue just look it up. Use your googling skills again youll find it. PAL.
@chouser3216: Go get in a Buick Regal & see how fast it is. Then climb into a GN & see how fast it is. A Buick Regal from the 80's is slow a fuck. You don't agree?
@937scooter dont talk bad about his video he'll tell u how much his car cost over an over again an then he'll get really mad an call u a young punk or sumthin he has the fastest car in the world
I don't doubt this at all. I love both cars, both have their pros and their cons. A modified GNX could easily outrun a stock Viper any day. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean it's the fastest. I've watched $30K Subaru STIs outrun $200K+ Ferrari's and Lambo's. Don't believe me? Look it up. It's all in knowledge and what you do.
@rtfk101: You were 2 yrs old when the GN was out ruling the streets. Spanking Vettes & 5.0 Mustangs. It doesn't take alotta $ to get these cars in the 12's, (about $1100.00). P.S. it weighs 3700.lbs, it has a 3.8L V-6 & it's a 4 speed AOD automatic trans with 3.42 gears in the rear.
@rtfk101 im wit u this is bullshit u can make alomost anything run a 12 if u throw enuff cash at it but i still dont buy this the viper would have made a much better run even if it did get beat buick gn is a great ride but not beating a viper hands down no competition at all
@Sideler74 believe it or not im not a lil kid who dont kno dick about cars an like i said bfore the buick is a sweet ride dont get all pissy bout the comments its the net ur lucky this is all u got
@freedo1234567891011: Like I said before: It doesn't take alotta $ to get these cars in the 12's, (about $1100.00). P.S. it weighs 3700.lbs, it has a 3.8L V-6 & it's a 4 speed AOD automatic trans with 3.42 gears in the rear. With 500 HP & it'll run 10's all day long @ that weight.
@biggboy73 Yes, but only a V6 because they chopped off 2 cylinders from a great 1960s V8 design and called the result a 6. This turbocharged version has close to 300 HP.
@Sideler74 You can get them into the 12's for just about free if you know what your doing. That Viper could not drive to save his life but a beefed up GN would have taken that car and probably at half the cost.
As awesome as the GN is, that GN doesn't have the top end of the Viper, nor the handling. Its cool that it can beat it from stop light to stop light, or at the strip, but sometimes people put value in things other than going straight.
That's not to say that the GN or Monte's aren't great track cars, as they can be set up to do so very well, but the GN/Monte are wildly different platforms than the Viper, and because of that, the Viper has a lot in store than off the line accel.
@Tboninator The GNX has better top end than the viper, until it hits it's top speed... if it had the proper gear ratio It would smoke the viper all the way up to 220.. look how much it still pulls even in 3rd and 4th in this video... about the handling, you are right though.
Less horsepower, worse aerodynamics, heavier... Gearing can only get you so far- its not some magical method of unlocking speed or acceleration, because with gearing, to achieve one, you have to sacrifice the other. As for top end, the top end is top end horsepower, another thing that Viper has on the GNX... Combine that, along with better aero and lighter weight, and you've got a faster car on the top end.
@Tboninator you reply like i'm retarded or something... if the Viper is lighter and has more power than the GNXs in this video, why did it get dusted so fierce? If they threw an extra top gear on the GNX and kept the ratios for gear 1-5 the same, they wouldnt sacrifice any acceleration and would raise top speed to better than that of the Viper. as for top end, the GNX is turbocharged, therefore reaches peak powerband ONLY in mid-top revs, and the ratio of bhp-whp is DIRECTLY related to gearing..
"Dusted so fierce"? That "drag" was more toying around than anything... Furthermore, you're continuing to prove you're an idiot... Adding more gears to a tranny doesn't magically net you top speed- in order to run that taller ratio, you need HORSEPOWER to back it up. If you don't have that, then all you're really doing is lowering your RPM for better fuel mileage... Which is what most stock 5th or 6th gears are for- overdrive...
@Tboninator SOO, the gearing does make a difference, and at least in this video, the GNXs have better power/weight ratio than the viper, and you really think that aerodynamics is going to make up for that kind of a difference in power over one or two extra gear pulls? the GNX in this video, with a higher top gear, would destroy the viper from this video in any straight run, be it 1/2 mile or 10 miles.
I never said gearing doesn't make a difference... I guess replying like you were retarded wasn't simple enough for you. Gearing will always do more for off the line acceleration than it will ever do for top speed, unless you have the horsepower to push it with the taller gearing.
None of the cars in this video look like they're really giving it all, especially the Viper... With the window down, I can guarantee you that you would hear that Viper over the GNX.
The import fans (specifically Supra and Evo fanboys) have this same warped way of thinking you do... No car, no matter how great, is allowed to break the laws of physics, not even the almighty GNX.
@Tboninator okay well here is what i'm saying, these modded GNXs obviosly have enough power to go faster than the redline of their stock top gear. I have a 2.0 turbo with light mods and I know what you are sayin, cause i cant hit the redline on 5th, but I dont have the massive torque needed to push through that. but, with some modifications these GNXs could spin an easy 600 lb/ft, and actually have a better drag coefficient than the viper.. an extra tall top gear would raise the top speed...
GNX's and most other turbocharged vehicles are easy to make power out of, but that usually means increase in turbo size, which would net them a longer spool time on the turbo, whereas the Viper still has instant power, being naturally aspirated...
The drag coefficient of a GTS Viper like the one in this video, is 0.35, while the GNX is 0.41... Not that bad, but you don't seem to understand that you can't just magically lower it without drastic modification.
@Tboninator I'm talkin physics and basic shit here.. yeah, the viper drove like a pussy, but even if he was getting it, it would have been a good race, I bet the camera car still would have won. I never said anything about breaking the laws of physics, but I will say I've ridden in a $5,000 1.6 liter civic that pulled 10+ lengths on viper from 60-9.5k redline of 5th around 160. another gear and that civic could probably hit 200.. sufficient power/weight and a higher gear = higher top speed
I don't know about that. May seem strong up to the red line in 5th, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't fall on its face in another, because drag can cause a steep drop off like that.
@Tboninator lol c'mon man give me some credit. I know about drag.. one cant reduce it very much without aerodynamically engineering the entire body... I have tried to top out my car, and even though I hit peak power in 5th from 135 to around 165, the rate of acceleration slows down around 130 because of intense drag. It would be interesting to find out what kind of power would actually be needed to push to the top of a higher gear in the GNX and whether or not the one in this video has it.
You're trying to compare something that is, essentially, a brick, to a Viper. The Viper has every advantage over the GN, yet somehow it can beat it out a Viper with half the horsepower, and a little over half the torque, that it gains solely from a turbocharger. Granted, these GNs obviously aren't stock, but the Viper is an all around better car, and over any stretch, will outrun the GN, even if the GN can eventually match it's top speed.
@Tboninator lol you just want to be right. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I'm not saying that I am either... we both brought up some good points, even though your last comment was a little on the radical idealistic side, and you dont seem to have ever heard of ALS, which solves the issue of turbo lag, and you look at EPA horsepower ratings as if they are accurate as to what the car actually makes. I bet the viper is way over rated, and the GN was under rated. I'll find out..
This has nothing to do with wanting to be right... It has to do with doing away with misinformation, and the idea that any car has the ability to break the laws of physics. You're continuing to drag this out because YOU want to be right. If you can prove me wrong, that's fine, but so far,, all you've done is spread a bunch of FUD.
@Tboninator You proved yourself wrong by saying that the viper will outrun the GNX on any stretch, even if the GN matches (or beats) it's top speed. This claim, actually IS a violation of the basic laws of physics. Higher speed/any distance= lower time... lower time= win. So you can keep your thick small block redneck skull containing little understanding of the realities of racing, and think that you're doing away with my "misinformation" but I will forever know that you are ignorant..
Might want to brush up on your reading skills, bucko. I said the Viper would out run the GN on pretty much any stretch, even if it could match it's top speed (I never said beats, because that would take some serious horsepower and gearing). What variable would make that true? It's clearly not breaking the laws of physics... It's called acceleration... Like I said before, you have much to learn. You're grasping at straws now, because you want to be right... :l
@Tboninator and I heard from an unreliable source that the GNX already had a better drag coefficient than the viper, but you did your homework on that and proved me wrong. It would take a lot of money to solve that, but there is an affordable way to make enough power that it wouldnt matter SO much, it would just feel like the car was gonna take off and do backflips, and would need a REALLY smoth road, good weather, and a great driver to push it.. I respect yo knowledge. dont diss on mine. peace.
Will the owner of the viper please state he didnt give his 100%. I dont even see the front end of the viper go up and down a bit during shifting. All Bullshit.
@Sideler74 Ive got one.......I have yet to lose not to mention to a car thats 25 yrs old with an automatic. Lose to other cars all the time????? Not the brightest statement Ive read on here.
@MrSlicksnake: It's a 2 seater RACE CAR with a massive V-10 engine in it. All in all... For what it's got... it really isn't that great of a "race car". A buddy of mine had one for a short period of time... to which he quickly sold his in favor of a Lamborghini LP-560. Jealous of a Viper? lol yea ok.
@Sideler74 Well, I beg to differ that a lambo costing 3-4x as much makes it 3-4x better. All in all, the ACR holds a better record at Nurburgring which is a 13 mile track in Germany out performing any lambo, Ferrari or bad ass ZR1. However, your friend is a lucky man to have that 560.
@SRTkiller11 lol son? your a kid yourself. Do you use caps on all your posts? i've seen 4 so far of the 4 i viewed. Do you need the attention that bad? Wow i've seen children use less caps then you.
Funny you got no videos but talk lots of stuff your self. BTW, people will learn once most decide to post proof of they're sh*t talk. Just say'in...
@zcarporn FUNNY THING IS IF U WERE SO INTO MY COMMENT U WOULD HAVE NOTICED I SAID IT WAS SIMPLE TRASH TALK, NO NEED TO GET ALL UPSET BRO, AND IF ALL CAPS OFFEND U THEEEEEEEEN OBVIOUSLY U HAVE NOTHER BETTER TO DO...JUS SAYIN, LOL
@SRTkiller11 - And not being all into your comment. I just felt the need to point out (trash talk or not) that you contradict yourself. And how or why trash talk something that you don't own. (For example) That's like saying your some G ( or rapper) from the hood, to only be brought up in a upper class home in the valley. Still = a wanna-be...
Psst, caps don't offend me, its the fact the user is too ignorant or seeks attention. Usually a kid. So with the obvious said... Trash talk? lol
@zcarporn SO THIS WHOLE TIME UR ONLY SAYIN THIS CAUSE U THINK I DONT OWN A 87 BUICK, AND U DONT THINK I OWN ONE BECAUSE I DONT PUT VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE....WOOOOOOOW, GOOD ASSUMPTION...AND IM THE KID...RIIIIIIIIGHT
@GotGame3636 LOL WELL ILL TELL U WAT, BRING WATEVER U GOT, N ILL BRING MY 87 GN T-TYPE, HEADS UP, RUN WAT U BRUNG, AND WELL POST THAT VIDEO N THEN U TELL ME IF U LOOSIN IS STILL FAKE, LOL...NOW THIS IS JUSS SIMPLE TRASH TALK DONT GO GETTIN ALL AMPED UP...
To make a stock Turbo Buick run in the 12's: Remove Cat converter - Free Add adj fuel regulator: $70 Add adj wastegate: $70 Add chip: $50 Add 116 oct gas: $50 Add knock guage: $50 raise boost and fuel pressure 1 for 1 till you start to see knock. Add air bag in pass side coil spring: $50 Borrow Drag radials or slicks Total = $340 or $640 if you buy tires Not bad to get into 12's
@jgt302 its a suspension trick that is used in GM G-bodies like the buick, monte, regal, el-camino, etcetera, as well as a variety of other cars, not necessarily GM specific as a weight transfer trick to make the power actually go to the pavement instead of just roasting the tires. Keeps the initial body roll down.
a stock viper with a capable driver WILL beat a stock gn. however, it does not take much money at all to modify a gn to get it into 11's, and that's ferrari territory.
i own a gn so dont call me a hater...i'm just simply stating facts
cld7: Your badass Altima would beat a 1987 Grand National? LOL Gimmie a break...You have no idea what you are talking about. My 2.0T GTI would eat your Altima (SE-R)
@cld7 you are absolutely the biggest cunt i have ever seen in my life. lisa lampinelli's vagina isnt nearly as big of a cunt as you are my friend. take your altima, shove it in your ass, and be happy i proably wont see you on the street or at the strip with your supposedly beast of an altima. hahaha what a shitty car to pick to compare a grand national to, seriously? thats the best you could do? fag
@cld7 Man, you just proved to the world you are the biggest idiot of all time, seriously what a fucking retard!!!!! Your altima is a pussy ass shit car, a GN is out of your league, please apologize to all of us and after go suck a horse dick with that mouth of yours. IDIOT! LOL
was the viper not trying to make the grand nationals look good?..dont get me worng there both fast cars..but vipers top out at around 180..thoses buick..like 135
I think he backed off at the 1/4 mile mark. It looks like at about 11 sec's after they go he hits the brakes. I think you are right though that the viper would walk them at 160 MPH (If he was dumb enough to push it)
Believe it or not, the G-body had a lower drag coefficient (.375) than the viper (0.45). The GN weighs about 200 lbs more than the viper (The title for mine says 3400 lbs) but it is the gears that make the speed. The GN has 4, the Viper has 6.
slaphappyjacko: Yea the Grand National came with a 4-speed AOD (I think a 200-4-R?) It's basically a Turbo 350 with an overdrive. The rear gears were 3.42's. & with driver & a tank of gas they weighed in @ about 3700.lbs. These kids today don't realize that the car wasn't exactly light, but it hauled ass for what it had. One of the many reasons they stopped making the GN was because it was consistently embarrassing GM's prized posession (The Corvette) @ the drag strip... lol
your right. but sometime race never go beyond 130mph. once it kill a few car length thats when the race ussualy end. only those type of other race like to do flyby to show they win at top end.
uuummm ...... Grand nationals come stock with turbo's dude ....87 GNX came with a modefied Garrett Turbo, and was contracted by buick and built by McLaren/ASC ...... stop talking if you don't know shit about the car
lol they probably were stock dude, those things came with high end custom Turbos with ceramic impellors, they had great stock launch capabilities, vipers got better top end for sure but they have better launch and accelleration
Those grand nationals are sweet, I know a guy with a pair of beasts! But that video looks like a setup, I've seen Vipers run and that looked intentionally slow.
So one video where the Viper driver doesn't put his heart into it and now Vipers suck eh? Are you really that easy to brainwash? I have a cult ...if you wish to join.
Turbo cars are crazy, doesn't matter what they are. I have a friend that got his talon tsi fwd to go into the low 13's without alot of work, I can only imagine what you could do with G.N.
@minivan442 the hardtop viper means its a GTS. 8.0L 450bhp. The engine has slowly been bored out and tuned over the years after the 2002 production model to 8.4L, which is in the current viper.
People race these gns today vs modern cars and still put up a hell of a fight...i wonder how badass it was to be driving one of those around in the 8o's..u would have been king.
and 12.9 give or take some in the Qtr,I have raced stock GN and beat them every time,so this vid I doubt it.Just the GN boys says the 87 GN-GNX is still the fastest car ever built,tell that to my 2010 Grand Sport corvette
listen here dude, back in the day this was the BEST muscle car in the world without a doubt and i have drove a viper and yes they are fast but not quick, a gnx with the right amount of boost would kill a viper or a vette so do ya research pal!
I dont know but it makes me think. The 2000 body style firebirds had the same 6 speed trans and have a problem with the cluch peddle wanting to stay on the floor when going threw the gears like that
o cuz my dad had one and at 130 in his nose would start lifting up but after he out something like a front spioler or something like that he could go faster no problem
i always new the grand nationals could beat the mustangs. but i never new they had the power to take down the doge vipers
chameleonbananatoes 2 months ago
You guy
aaroncarballo1 4 months ago
supercharged??? i thought it was turbo
DOP3MAN24201 5 months ago
I honestly think this was set up I'm a car fanatic and vipers have at least 400hp stock so for it to get smoked that bad was a bs call it should at least have kept up with both gn regardless if there boosted I'm running 20lb on boost and I know stock vetts that can keep up..
Come on..
hkslover91 6 months ago
@hkslover91: You're running 20.lbs of boost in what car?
Sideler74 6 months ago
Every time I've seen a Viper Drag it's not very often it wins
Trikenut012 6 months ago
@Trikenut012 idk what videos your watching lol
chouser3216 5 months ago
@chouser3216 I don't need videos I've seen them drag in real life
Trikenut012 5 months ago
Grand Nationals are and always will be FUKN BEASTS OF THE STREETS !!!
MikeyGee001 6 months ago 6
wooow it didnt know that
BIGBOYHUMMER115 7 months ago
@sidelar74 I just did a little more research on the grand national, and dammit u were right
937scooter 7 months ago
The guy driving the viper had to be playin around......there's no way
937scooter 7 months ago
@937scooter: Don't let that V-10 go to your head.
Sideler74 7 months ago 9
@Sideler74 you can see him let off lol i love regals but any car guy will say this is fixed
chouser3216 5 months ago
@chouser3216: This is no "Buick Regal" pal. lol
Sideler74 5 months ago
@Sideler74 its full name is the regal gnx "pal" your actually fucking retarded
the gnx is in the regal line up faggot. so dont come out with this ' I know everything" bs when your actually a moron.
chouser3216 5 months ago
@chouser3216: It's a 3.8L V-6 Turbocharged Buick Grand National. (from the Regal line), A Buick Regal is a N/A 3.8L V-6. (Slow as fuck) All you have to do a GN is turn up the fuel pressure & boost, install a dump tube, get a set of street slicks & learn how to launch it properly & you're in the mid/low 12's. Pal.
Sideler74 5 months ago
@Sideler74 actually the buick regal GS comes with a supercharged 3.8, the LS come N/A
FutureMarine246 5 months ago
@Sideler74 good you know how to use forum and google? proud of yourself ? lol and no your actually wrong about it being slow as fuck bein the fact it was beating the camaros on the drag strip. Dont argue just look it up. Use your googling skills again youll find it. PAL.
chouser3216 5 months ago
@chouser3216: Go get in a Buick Regal & see how fast it is. Then climb into a GN & see how fast it is. A Buick Regal from the 80's is slow a fuck. You don't agree?
Sideler74 5 months ago
@937scooter dont talk bad about his video he'll tell u how much his car cost over an over again an then he'll get really mad an call u a young punk or sumthin he has the fastest car in the world
freedo1234567891011 7 months ago
@937scooter No they are nasty and Im sure these were no where near stock.
joe27baja 6 months ago
Had the 3800 in a 93 lesabre no turbo, I could still smoke mustangs and rice noodles.
azrial4421 7 months ago
I don't doubt this at all. I love both cars, both have their pros and their cons. A modified GNX could easily outrun a stock Viper any day. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean it's the fastest. I've watched $30K Subaru STIs outrun $200K+ Ferrari's and Lambo's. Don't believe me? Look it up. It's all in knowledge and what you do.
DeepestWounds 8 months ago
guy in viper must feel like shit haha good job buick!
crazywin99669 8 months ago 2
im calling shenanigans, this looks staged.
rtfk101 8 months ago
@rtfk101: You were 2 yrs old when the GN was out ruling the streets. Spanking Vettes & 5.0 Mustangs. It doesn't take alotta $ to get these cars in the 12's, (about $1100.00). P.S. it weighs 3700.lbs, it has a 3.8L V-6 & it's a 4 speed AOD automatic trans with 3.42 gears in the rear.
Sideler74 8 months ago
@rtfk101 im wit u this is bullshit u can make alomost anything run a 12 if u throw enuff cash at it but i still dont buy this the viper would have made a much better run even if it did get beat buick gn is a great ride but not beating a viper hands down no competition at all
freedo1234567891011 7 months ago
@freedo1234567891011: See my response to YouTuber: rtfk101.
Sideler74 7 months ago
@Sideler74 believe it or not im not a lil kid who dont kno dick about cars an like i said bfore the buick is a sweet ride dont get all pissy bout the comments its the net ur lucky this is all u got
freedo1234567891011 7 months ago
@freedo1234567891011: Like I said before: It doesn't take alotta $ to get these cars in the 12's, (about $1100.00). P.S. it weighs 3700.lbs, it has a 3.8L V-6 & it's a 4 speed AOD automatic trans with 3.42 gears in the rear. With 500 HP & it'll run 10's all day long @ that weight.
Sideler74 7 months ago
Beat by a 86 V6.
biggboy73 9 months ago
@biggboy73 Yes, but only a V6 because they chopped off 2 cylinders from a great 1960s V8 design and called the result a 6. This turbocharged version has close to 300 HP.
VinylToVideo 8 months ago
Vipers are bullshit, like any other Dodge product ;)
PernellDD 1 year ago
"ignorance is bliss"HAHAHHAHAH waaaaht the fuck. hey you are a free man!!
rottepung666 1 year ago
OMG Viper smoked TWICE in one pull!
RauL8604 1 year ago
that viper wasn't in it at all, that was a wimpy run, grand nationals are fast, but they aint that quick
damrunner2 1 year ago
@damrunner2: You can get a GN to run 12's on about $800.00 worth of work.
Sideler74 1 year ago
@Sideler74 You can get them into the 12's for just about free if you know what your doing. That Viper could not drive to save his life but a beefed up GN would have taken that car and probably at half the cost.
badlilstang 1 year ago
@badlilstang
As awesome as the GN is, that GN doesn't have the top end of the Viper, nor the handling. Its cool that it can beat it from stop light to stop light, or at the strip, but sometimes people put value in things other than going straight.
That's not to say that the GN or Monte's aren't great track cars, as they can be set up to do so very well, but the GN/Monte are wildly different platforms than the Viper, and because of that, the Viper has a lot in store than off the line accel.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator The GNX has better top end than the viper, until it hits it's top speed... if it had the proper gear ratio It would smoke the viper all the way up to 220.. look how much it still pulls even in 3rd and 4th in this video... about the handling, you are right though.
samsamsamsamsamaaaaa 1 year ago
@samsamsamsamsamaaaaa
Less horsepower, worse aerodynamics, heavier... Gearing can only get you so far- its not some magical method of unlocking speed or acceleration, because with gearing, to achieve one, you have to sacrifice the other. As for top end, the top end is top end horsepower, another thing that Viper has on the GNX... Combine that, along with better aero and lighter weight, and you've got a faster car on the top end.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator: Yea wtf was he (samsamsamsamsamaaaaa) thinking?
Sideler74 1 year ago
@Tboninator you reply like i'm retarded or something... if the Viper is lighter and has more power than the GNXs in this video, why did it get dusted so fierce? If they threw an extra top gear on the GNX and kept the ratios for gear 1-5 the same, they wouldnt sacrifice any acceleration and would raise top speed to better than that of the Viper. as for top end, the GNX is turbocharged, therefore reaches peak powerband ONLY in mid-top revs, and the ratio of bhp-whp is DIRECTLY related to gearing..
samsamsamsamsamaaaaa 1 year ago
@samsamsamsamsamaaaaa
"Dusted so fierce"? That "drag" was more toying around than anything... Furthermore, you're continuing to prove you're an idiot... Adding more gears to a tranny doesn't magically net you top speed- in order to run that taller ratio, you need HORSEPOWER to back it up. If you don't have that, then all you're really doing is lowering your RPM for better fuel mileage... Which is what most stock 5th or 6th gears are for- overdrive...
You have much to learn...
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator SOO, the gearing does make a difference, and at least in this video, the GNXs have better power/weight ratio than the viper, and you really think that aerodynamics is going to make up for that kind of a difference in power over one or two extra gear pulls? the GNX in this video, with a higher top gear, would destroy the viper from this video in any straight run, be it 1/2 mile or 10 miles.
samsamsamsamsamaaaaa 1 year ago
@samsamsamsamsamaaaaa
I never said gearing doesn't make a difference... I guess replying like you were retarded wasn't simple enough for you. Gearing will always do more for off the line acceleration than it will ever do for top speed, unless you have the horsepower to push it with the taller gearing.
None of the cars in this video look like they're really giving it all, especially the Viper... With the window down, I can guarantee you that you would hear that Viper over the GNX.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@samsamsamsamsamaaaaa
The import fans (specifically Supra and Evo fanboys) have this same warped way of thinking you do... No car, no matter how great, is allowed to break the laws of physics, not even the almighty GNX.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator okay well here is what i'm saying, these modded GNXs obviosly have enough power to go faster than the redline of their stock top gear. I have a 2.0 turbo with light mods and I know what you are sayin, cause i cant hit the redline on 5th, but I dont have the massive torque needed to push through that. but, with some modifications these GNXs could spin an easy 600 lb/ft, and actually have a better drag coefficient than the viper.. an extra tall top gear would raise the top speed...
samsamsamsamsamaaaaa 1 year ago
@samsamsamsamsamaaaaa
GNX's and most other turbocharged vehicles are easy to make power out of, but that usually means increase in turbo size, which would net them a longer spool time on the turbo, whereas the Viper still has instant power, being naturally aspirated...
The drag coefficient of a GTS Viper like the one in this video, is 0.35, while the GNX is 0.41... Not that bad, but you don't seem to understand that you can't just magically lower it without drastic modification.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator I'm talkin physics and basic shit here.. yeah, the viper drove like a pussy, but even if he was getting it, it would have been a good race, I bet the camera car still would have won. I never said anything about breaking the laws of physics, but I will say I've ridden in a $5,000 1.6 liter civic that pulled 10+ lengths on viper from 60-9.5k redline of 5th around 160. another gear and that civic could probably hit 200.. sufficient power/weight and a higher gear = higher top speed
samsamsamsamsamaaaaa 1 year ago
@samsamsamsamsamaaaaa
I don't know about that. May seem strong up to the red line in 5th, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't fall on its face in another, because drag can cause a steep drop off like that.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator lol c'mon man give me some credit. I know about drag.. one cant reduce it very much without aerodynamically engineering the entire body... I have tried to top out my car, and even though I hit peak power in 5th from 135 to around 165, the rate of acceleration slows down around 130 because of intense drag. It would be interesting to find out what kind of power would actually be needed to push to the top of a higher gear in the GNX and whether or not the one in this video has it.
samsamsamsamsamaaaaa 1 year ago
@samsamsamsamsamaaaaa
You're trying to compare something that is, essentially, a brick, to a Viper. The Viper has every advantage over the GN, yet somehow it can beat it out a Viper with half the horsepower, and a little over half the torque, that it gains solely from a turbocharger. Granted, these GNs obviously aren't stock, but the Viper is an all around better car, and over any stretch, will outrun the GN, even if the GN can eventually match it's top speed.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator lol you just want to be right. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I'm not saying that I am either... we both brought up some good points, even though your last comment was a little on the radical idealistic side, and you dont seem to have ever heard of ALS, which solves the issue of turbo lag, and you look at EPA horsepower ratings as if they are accurate as to what the car actually makes. I bet the viper is way over rated, and the GN was under rated. I'll find out..
samsamsamsamsamaaaaa 1 year ago
@samsamsamsamsamaaaaa
This has nothing to do with wanting to be right... It has to do with doing away with misinformation, and the idea that any car has the ability to break the laws of physics. You're continuing to drag this out because YOU want to be right. If you can prove me wrong, that's fine, but so far,, all you've done is spread a bunch of FUD.
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator You proved yourself wrong by saying that the viper will outrun the GNX on any stretch, even if the GN matches (or beats) it's top speed. This claim, actually IS a violation of the basic laws of physics. Higher speed/any distance= lower time... lower time= win. So you can keep your thick small block redneck skull containing little understanding of the realities of racing, and think that you're doing away with my "misinformation" but I will forever know that you are ignorant..
samsamsamsamsamaaaaa 1 year ago
@samsamsamsamsamaaaaa
Might want to brush up on your reading skills, bucko. I said the Viper would out run the GN on pretty much any stretch, even if it could match it's top speed (I never said beats, because that would take some serious horsepower and gearing). What variable would make that true? It's clearly not breaking the laws of physics... It's called acceleration... Like I said before, you have much to learn. You're grasping at straws now, because you want to be right... :l
Tboninator 1 year ago
@Tboninator and I heard from an unreliable source that the GNX already had a better drag coefficient than the viper, but you did your homework on that and proved me wrong. It would take a lot of money to solve that, but there is an affordable way to make enough power that it wouldnt matter SO much, it would just feel like the car was gonna take off and do backflips, and would need a REALLY smoth road, good weather, and a great driver to push it.. I respect yo knowledge. dont diss on mine. peace.
samsamsamsamsamaaaaa 1 year ago
@damrunner2 Yes, yes they are.
10 second turbo Buick 3.8 cars are roughly as common as Vipers as well.
RotaryJunkie 1 year ago
@damrunner2 umm grand nationals are one of the most bad ass 6cyl engines ever made. those cars can run 10s like its a walk in the park.
alexaysonfire 1 year ago
Will the owner of the viper please state he didnt give his 100%. I dont even see the front end of the viper go up and down a bit during shifting. All Bullshit.
MrSlicksnake 1 year ago
@MrSlicksnake: Vipers lose to other cars all the time. I'm suprised you didnt know that?
Sideler74 1 year ago
@Sideler74 Ive got one.......I have yet to lose not to mention to a car thats 25 yrs old with an automatic. Lose to other cars all the time????? Not the brightest statement Ive read on here.
MrSlicksnake 1 year ago
@MrSlicksnake: Vipers are so over-hyped it's pathetic. OHHHH AHHHH look out, it's a Viper, who cares?
Sideler74 1 year ago
@Sideler74 To each their own. All your comments do is just show a form of jealousy/ignorance.
MrSlicksnake 1 year ago
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MrSlicksnake 1 year ago
@MrSlicksnake: It's a 2 seater RACE CAR with a massive V-10 engine in it. All in all... For what it's got... it really isn't that great of a "race car". A buddy of mine had one for a short period of time... to which he quickly sold his in favor of a Lamborghini LP-560. Jealous of a Viper? lol yea ok.
Sideler74 1 year ago
@Sideler74 Well, I beg to differ that a lambo costing 3-4x as much makes it 3-4x better. All in all, the ACR holds a better record at Nurburgring which is a 13 mile track in Germany out performing any lambo, Ferrari or bad ass ZR1. However, your friend is a lucky man to have that 560.
MrSlicksnake 1 year ago
Turbo? Boooo! NA 231 for the win!!! lol but srsly i love that engine.
roytboga 1 year ago
holy shit loved the vid
ct9mm 1 year ago
GM!
amhater 1 year ago
this has got to be the coolest video on youtube, fuck vipers.
Mulder182 1 year ago
muscle cars now are nothing like the older ones
hsa561 1 year ago
Damn the GN's got all cross his ass
1fas14 1 year ago
LOL, 25 y/o AMERICAN technology still layin down the hurt on the deep pocket boys. GO DETROIT. Grand national, the best sleeper of all time.
woopyass 1 year ago
@woopyass this is why I understand how people talk so bad about american cars!! You can clearly see the these American cars reigned supreme.
demariojason 1 year ago
had a neighbor who dusted the local kids' supercharged mustangs w/ chips at the track with his GN, would buy it but got a 94 Imp SS
BigDually58 1 year ago
DAMN!
austerojesse 1 year ago
you can sure tell the viper isnt an auto...lol
firechicken76 1 year ago
just show what a lil bit $ and know how will put any of u rich pricks 2 shame with your 100'000+ cars
fuckncoons01 1 year ago
Wow
44lacross 1 year ago
Was it an SRT 10 viper or not?
Daltonx317x 1 year ago
@Daltonx317x vipers are all srt 10 dipshit
samsamsamsamsamaaaaa 1 year ago
Viper sucks lol
ajhgfhgjbjhbjhb 1 year ago
MAN WEN WILL PEOPLE LEARN....LOL GN ALL DAY SON!!!
SRTkiller11 1 year ago
@SRTkiller11 lol son? your a kid yourself. Do you use caps on all your posts? i've seen 4 so far of the 4 i viewed. Do you need the attention that bad? Wow i've seen children use less caps then you.
Funny you got no videos but talk lots of stuff your self. BTW, people will learn once most decide to post proof of they're sh*t talk. Just say'in...
zcarporn 1 year ago
@zcarporn FUNNY THING IS IF U WERE SO INTO MY COMMENT U WOULD HAVE NOTICED I SAID IT WAS SIMPLE TRASH TALK, NO NEED TO GET ALL UPSET BRO, AND IF ALL CAPS OFFEND U THEEEEEEEEN OBVIOUSLY U HAVE NOTHER BETTER TO DO...JUS SAYIN, LOL
SRTkiller11 1 year ago
@SRTkiller11 - And not being all into your comment. I just felt the need to point out (trash talk or not) that you contradict yourself. And how or why trash talk something that you don't own. (For example) That's like saying your some G ( or rapper) from the hood, to only be brought up in a upper class home in the valley. Still = a wanna-be...
Psst, caps don't offend me, its the fact the user is too ignorant or seeks attention. Usually a kid. So with the obvious said... Trash talk? lol
zcarporn 1 year ago
@zcarporn SO THIS WHOLE TIME UR ONLY SAYIN THIS CAUSE U THINK I DONT OWN A 87 BUICK, AND U DONT THINK I OWN ONE BECAUSE I DONT PUT VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE....WOOOOOOOW, GOOD ASSUMPTION...AND IM THE KID...RIIIIIIIIGHT
SRTkiller11 1 year ago
@SRTkiller11 ^------- Proof you assume...
Ignorance is bliss...
zcarporn 1 year ago
Come on.....that was so fake. None of the cars were trying.
GotGame3636 1 year ago
@GotGame3636 LOL WELL ILL TELL U WAT, BRING WATEVER U GOT, N ILL BRING MY 87 GN T-TYPE, HEADS UP, RUN WAT U BRUNG, AND WELL POST THAT VIDEO N THEN U TELL ME IF U LOOSIN IS STILL FAKE, LOL...NOW THIS IS JUSS SIMPLE TRASH TALK DONT GO GETTIN ALL AMPED UP...
SRTkiller11 1 year ago
that 12 piece of shit was not even in the same leagie
jbash1234 1 year ago
hell yeah!! viper got owned
turbolover 1 year ago
That's why the Grand National is IMO the quickest car out there... Nice job waxing that Viper..lol
luckie911 1 year ago
lol 13's is ferrari territory technically, 11's or tens is hanging with or owning any ferrari ever made
mikedaman454 1 year ago
i seen a grand national frame and engine out at a junk yard today i think i might go pick it up tomorrow start it as a project car
Sk8erKidZ66 1 year ago
buickturbot231 1 year ago 4
buickturbot231: You got it!
Sideler74 1 year ago
@Sideler74 if..scratch that.. WHEN i get a grand national, i'm definitely gonna do that, great vid
ilnn408 1 year ago
air bag to pass. side coil spring why?
jgt302 1 year ago
@jgt302 its a suspension trick that is used in GM G-bodies like the buick, monte, regal, el-camino, etcetera, as well as a variety of other cars, not necessarily GM specific as a weight transfer trick to make the power actually go to the pavement instead of just roasting the tires. Keeps the initial body roll down.
solidtl 1 year ago
@buickturbot231 HELL YA!!!
SRTkiller11 1 year ago
hahahha omg that was worth watching that viper was wack
GAMErCLIPX 1 year ago
@Daniel5478
It would SMASH all 3 of these cars...........
madrx2 1 year ago
two BEASTS MAKE SHORT WORK out of the viper!!! OH YEAAAAAAAAAAAH
sphinxofthenewage 1 year ago
that was the most greatest race of all
bajapanties515 1 year ago
turbocharged***
relax bud
LukeL138 1 year ago
devils car... dirty
v6 supercharged, gotta love it
LukeL138 1 year ago
there turbo v6 not supercharged dumbass
Blazer1998 1 year ago
left it for dead
speedyagarjr 2 years ago
a stock viper with a capable driver WILL beat a stock gn. however, it does not take much money at all to modify a gn to get it into 11's, and that's ferrari territory.
i own a gn so dont call me a hater...i'm just simply stating facts
WhatAFluke 2 years ago
Somebody send that Viper to the store to get some beer...geezzz
trunk516 2 years ago
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so fake the grand national came stock with 200 horsepower and the gnx with 265 my with altima would beat it if they were stock
cld7 2 years ago
lol, your altima would not beat the grand national if you dropped $3,000 into its engine.... your car stands no chance....
Jacobbz206 2 years ago 2
@cld7
245 hp and 355 lb-ft for 86-87. 1/4 mile in under 14 sec and 0-60 under 5 sec. Slicks put a stock GN in the 12's.
I assume you are kidding about the Altima thing. There is no way you are really that stupid.
slaphappyjacko 2 years ago
a stock GN with slicks will NOT go into the 12's.. You need some really good HP for that... In stock form ain't gonna do it...
Jims07yfz450 2 years ago
cld7: Your badass Altima would beat a 1987 Grand National? LOL Gimmie a break...You have no idea what you are talking about. My 2.0T GTI would eat your Altima (SE-R)
Sideler74 2 years ago 9
@cld7 you are absolutely the biggest cunt i have ever seen in my life. lisa lampinelli's vagina isnt nearly as big of a cunt as you are my friend. take your altima, shove it in your ass, and be happy i proably wont see you on the street or at the strip with your supposedly beast of an altima. hahaha what a shitty car to pick to compare a grand national to, seriously? thats the best you could do? fag
shmmeerr 1 year ago
@Sideler74 what year is your gti? and what mods do you have on it?
hercismo 1 year ago
@hercismo: 2008 VW GTI w. REVO Stage II+ & supporting mods
Sideler74 1 year ago
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@Sideler74 what year is the gti? and what mods does it have?
hercismo 1 year ago
@cld7 Man, you just proved to the world you are the biggest idiot of all time, seriously what a fucking retard!!!!! Your altima is a pussy ass shit car, a GN is out of your league, please apologize to all of us and after go suck a horse dick with that mouth of yours. IDIOT! LOL
PernellDD 1 year ago
was the viper not trying to make the grand nationals look good?..dont get me worng there both fast cars..but vipers top out at around 180..thoses buick..like 135
0716030 2 years ago
@0716030
I think he backed off at the 1/4 mile mark. It looks like at about 11 sec's after they go he hits the brakes. I think you are right though that the viper would walk them at 160 MPH (If he was dumb enough to push it)
Believe it or not, the G-body had a lower drag coefficient (.375) than the viper (0.45). The GN weighs about 200 lbs more than the viper (The title for mine says 3400 lbs) but it is the gears that make the speed. The GN has 4, the Viper has 6.
slaphappyjacko 2 years ago
slaphappyjacko: Yea the Grand National came with a 4-speed AOD (I think a 200-4-R?) It's basically a Turbo 350 with an overdrive. The rear gears were 3.42's. & with driver & a tank of gas they weighed in @ about 3700.lbs. These kids today don't realize that the car wasn't exactly light, but it hauled ass for what it had. One of the many reasons they stopped making the GN was because it was consistently embarrassing GM's prized posession (The Corvette) @ the drag strip... lol
Sideler74 2 years ago
@Sideler74 would the gn take a cyclone?
bongoboy5000 1 year ago
your right. but sometime race never go beyond 130mph. once it kill a few car length thats when the race ussualy end. only those type of other race like to do flyby to show they win at top end.
BlueRice 2 years ago
2 GNs!?!? Lucky bastards! Honestly, I'd much rather own a GNX over a Viper.
phattacorider 2 years ago 17
phattacorider: You got that right!
Sideler74 2 years ago
The weakest part of any dodge is the trans. Dodge should be putting some mercedes technolgy into their trans. Then maybe their cars can contend.
dieselweasel69 2 years ago
gran nacional 20 doll Dodge Viper 80 doll jajajajajajajaa
arribaTIJUANA664 2 years ago
looked like he missed a couple of gears in the viper
mighymopars 2 years ago
probly not look like granny shifting
zman6033 2 years ago
@mighymopars Something dont look right here,,,,,,does it??
MrSlicksnake 1 year ago
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now, first of all 1. this is soooo fake
2. lets see them run stock vs stock, on a TRACK WITH TURNS!!(lets see how this bricks and wheels are then)
cruerocker2008 2 years ago
uuummm ...... Grand nationals come stock with turbo's dude ....87 GNX came with a modefied Garrett Turbo, and was contracted by buick and built by McLaren/ASC ...... stop talking if you don't know shit about the car
ITS4390 2 years ago 4
im saying stock for stock viper would win
cruerocker2008 2 years ago
lol they probably were stock dude, those things came with high end custom Turbos with ceramic impellors, they had great stock launch capabilities, vipers got better top end for sure but they have better launch and accelleration
ITS4390 2 years ago 2
Those grand nationals are sweet, I know a guy with a pair of beasts! But that video looks like a setup, I've seen Vipers run and that looked intentionally slow.
mustanguy77 2 years ago
damn a viper got smoked by 2 grand nationals viper sucks big time grand nationals kicks ass
isaiah213 2 years ago 2
@isaiah213
So one video where the Viper driver doesn't put his heart into it and now Vipers suck eh? Are you really that easy to brainwash? I have a cult ...if you wish to join.
stupidpplmakemegag 2 years ago
tag team off the roof
jdoggybizzle 2 years ago
vipers are way over rated if a zo6 with just a new exhust can beet it that 10v is useless
GAZISGANNAFREEK 2 years ago
He just don't know how to driver that viper
turfgritter 2 years ago 2
Turbo cars are crazy, doesn't matter what they are. I have a friend that got his talon tsi fwd to go into the low 13's without alot of work, I can only imagine what you could do with G.N.
critgit 2 years ago
3.8L vs 8.3L... unless that Viper is the era of the 8.0L
minivan442 2 years ago
@minivan442 the hardtop viper means its a GTS. 8.0L 450bhp. The engine has slowly been bored out and tuned over the years after the 2002 production model to 8.4L, which is in the current viper.
solidtl 1 year ago
People race these gns today vs modern cars and still put up a hell of a fight...i wonder how badass it was to be driving one of those around in the 8o's..u would have been king.
scwhockey41 2 years ago
that really does look fake like the viper wasnt even trying
Untamedcelica 2 years ago
that didnt even look real to me.. if it is, nice fuckin cars! but idk
2889joeracer 2 years ago
My 97 Dodge Viper GTS does 0-60 4.5 secs
and 12.9 give or take some in the Qtr,I have raced stock GN and beat them every time,so this vid I doubt it.Just the GN boys says the 87 GN-GNX is still the fastest car ever built,tell that to my 2010 Grand Sport corvette
orlnz 2 years ago
orlnz: A stock GN will go mid to low 13's. These 2 GN's aren't stock =)
Sideler74 2 years ago
listen here dude, back in the day this was the BEST muscle car in the world without a doubt and i have drove a viper and yes they are fast but not quick, a gnx with the right amount of boost would kill a viper or a vette so do ya research pal!
hollowpoint10mm 2 years ago
yeah whatever lol
viper still didnt have a chance
jp198780 2 years ago
tag team off the roof
jdoggybizzle 2 years ago
Grand nationals are the shit i would get one but there pricey so ill stick with my nova
GAZISGANNAFREEK 2 years ago
novas are still awesome :)
Rawrx310 2 years ago
I know so many people that have Novas, I don't personally own one but Ive worked on Novas and they are the one of the easiest cars to work on.
I still love my Comet though =)
minivan442 2 years ago
o man comets are pretty fun
GAZISGANNAFREEK 2 years ago
viper cant drive, lol
rubenswitzer 2 years ago
a worked up gnx will take just about anything on the street
captlucky3 2 years ago 9
Viper missed a gear
texasphil 2 years ago
why did it look like the viper was slowing down on purpose
gtachild 2 years ago 5
I dont know but it makes me think. The 2000 body style firebirds had the same 6 speed trans and have a problem with the cluch peddle wanting to stay on the floor when going threw the gears like that
nashvilleoutlaw 2 years ago
The GN's and GNX's are all automatic transmissions.
Chippy569 2 years ago
I was talking about the late 90's and early 2000's firebirds and cameros have the same 6 speed as the Viper. not the Buicks.
nashvilleoutlaw 2 years ago
the guy driving the viper missed a gear.
krispykrunch 2 years ago
no the guy driving the viper missed all gears a normal driver would've tore those cars apart......no offense i luv GN'S
ChicagoNickyCs 2 years ago
Sorry. Not. Viper was dead as soon as they agreed to race.
Not bad for a box. BUt damn, what a mean looking box.
tommy605 2 years ago
they cut them off at 130 mph because theres no weight to them and once the air gets under the nose the cars front will start to rise
justin20051 2 years ago
ive done 150 in a stock grand national no problem
osamabinzolis 2 years ago
o cuz my dad had one and at 130 in his nose would start lifting up but after he out something like a front spioler or something like that he could go faster no problem
justin20051 2 years ago
No, you have not. The chip in a stock GN shuts down at 128mph.
mrbell83 2 years ago
Wow!!! The Dodge guy seems to pull the emergency brakes haha
madballz28 2 years ago
I want a GN Oh so badly! Such a sick car. I heard that GM or any motor company has made a car with a v6 that can beat it until the new Camaro
wrathguard 2 years ago