It is a good thing " Vivian Krause' is in to research. Look for her interviews on Youtube. American foundations have payed over $90 million to promote so called wild Alaskan over farmed. Millions of that money went to so-called grassroots protests in western Canada. Why didn't these foundations put any money to enviromental action in the Gulf of Mexico, on the eastren seaboard or the Alaskan coast?
Google"A charity with plenty of very long tentacles". We are being Americanized.
"They are de facto political organizations in B.C.," he says. "They're distorting the balance of power where a few people control these huge amounts of money that flow in from the U.S." And, he believes the growing impact of environmental groups is only hurting British Columbia's economic potential".
Here's a good one for you...How come the BC fish farming industry is fighting for regulations that would allow them to seel their product without having to even test their fish for diseases? That fact that fish farmers don't want the public to know what their fish are eating (dyes,and livestock feces), what kind of diseases they're carrying is laughable considering that they also want their fish to be certified organic!
@Alaskrab Lets talk disease. Salmon Anemia? Here it is called Marine Anemia. Also there is Bacterial Kidney Disease, Loma, Setticemia, Vibrio, and IHN, ect, that is carried by free range stolks of salmon and many pacific fish species. I hope farmed salmon in Alaska are tested for these diseases prior to release as our smolts are tested prior to salt water disease free entry. also do you test your fish prior to market? We do.
@Alaskrab What do you feed your Alsaka hatchery factory farms up there? Oh Ya. Millions of Alaska hatchery salmon were fed food contaminated with the same substance behind a massive pet food recall across the country. The melamine-infused fish feed. But Alaska never recalled the feed. It was all fed out and the salmon were released into the wild. Way To Go Alaska.
Hold it---I just saw a video saying how horrible salmon farming was! Who the heck is to be believed? Seems to me that farming salmon would serve to protect, not harm, native stocks. In terms of pollution, don't salmon poop in the water anyway? I don't get it!
schmarly2007 found protesters who didn't want to speak on camera and calls this an argument to the problems fish farms introduce - such as sea lice that devastate wild stocks, or the tons of pesticides fish farms dump into the oceans. Can it surprise anyone that the farms are placed right in the middle of wild salmon migratory runs? What better way to improve market conditions of farmed fish than to kill the wild competition? The worst part is, Canadian governments allow it.
It sucks when the tables are turned eh? Here's some facts to respond to your silly comment.
#1 - no pesticides used on BC salmon farms.
#2 - 80,000,000 kgs produced each year and less than a 12 kgs of treatment used to treat for sea lice (hardly tons my friend)
#3 - accusing salmon farms of wanting to "kill" the competition? WTF? How quickly you forget why salmon farming started in the first place...commercial fishing killed most of them off. Convenient lack of memory.
I believe what Schmarly2007 says more than the table bangers suporting dog science and hearsay. Pesticides? Where do you get this info from Sointula? Sea Lice that Devastate wild Stocks? That myth has been busted long ago.
You need to steer clear of "Google" for a while and get out in the real world. Your comments are well overstated and it seems you don't care to find out fact. Too bad.
My husband's family did tagging on Broughton pink salmon in the fifties for the DFO. It was already known even then that the fish returned in sporadic numbers year to year. other factors like logging, slides , water temp, climate change all play a part. Instead of blaming farms ask what is it about the area that causes lice to be so prolific perhaps or ask yourself how many doctored photos ms Morton has
We need to save our wild fish stocks, not demolish them with disease and sea lice. Look into what salmon farming in BC has done and is doing to the wild salmon populations. I know that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but as a person that lives a life with a very close relationship to the ocean, I have seen first hand the destruction that salmon farming is causing. I won't comment on any of the previously mentioned studies here, but seriously, fish farming has got to change or go...
Save the wild salmon, eat them all? even sport fishing is in jeopardy with low returns. Look at the U,S west coast. Sport and wild salmon fisheries are closed.
I took your suggestion Meatsalad and looked into which is healthier: wild Pacific salmon or non-native farm-raised Atlantic salmon. Latest study says Farmed is. But not by much. Both are fine to eat. In fact Salmon have less contaminants than some fruits, Meats, and Vegtables
And for anyone else reading this, look into which is healthier: wild Pacific salmon or non-native farm-raised Atlantic salmon and decide which you want to eat. The taste comparison is pretty convincing as well. I know I don't like eating artificially dyed fish meat that otherwise would be a nice dull gray.
I know many people that prefer the lighter taste of Atlantic over the stronger taste of wild (what species are you talking about). I know I do not like to read artificially mindless generatorated propaganda that you are dyed with.
Do you eat oranges, weiners, any fruit or veg that is imported ? Do you know contrary to Ms Morton's claims Slice is used in organic farming in the USA ? Search the web for yourself fool. She is a liar
Hello Meatsalad. I am honoured that you joined You Tube yesterday just to comment on my video. Very nice of you.
First, you and I probably don't agree on the definition of 'independant'. A study that is funded by competitors to aquaculture (commercial fishing - 'Finest At Sea') doesn't qualify (to me) as independant.
Here are some other researchers to look up: Jones, Bricknell, Ferrell, Brooks, Butterworth, Beamish.
To quote only one study is ignorant...doesn't surprise me though.
Your arrogant attitude doesn't surprise me, either. Yup, joined Utube after seeing such an annoying video but have wanted to join for awhile. So congrats, you recruited me. I could quote plenty of other researchers for you as well (Bjorn, Fleming, Garant, Naylor, etc.). I mentioned the one study in response to your other commenter mentioning Morton. My point, though, is that the burden of proof lies with your industry b/c of the potential to seriously affect a valuable resource.
If your industry has no effect on wild salmon, why don't you get some independent scientists together to do some quality research to prove it? Get it published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal (Morton has) where other qualified scientists from different organizations review your work for scientific integrity before publishing. You should actually be mandated to do so to show that your company doesn't have an irreparable effect on such a major resource important the U.S. and Canada.
Oh please schmarly. Your battery died or you got schooled in the debate with Gwen? What does this video accomplish? Certainly you haven't made any kind of argument for the benefits of salmon farming whatsoever. You're obviously bitter that people are exposing the negative effects of your job.
It's amazing how many 'anti-everythings' are brave enough to comment on websites (like meatsalad2004), but scared to provide comment when a camera will catch their ignorant, uneducated comments.
This video simply points out the fact that most protesters that you see on TV actually don't even understand why they're there.
Please don't lump me with the clowns you attempted to interview. I agree that some protesters are uneducated about what they're protesting. I've never protested a thing in my life nor do I plan to and I'm not an 'anti-everything'. I'm a sportfisherman with a biology undergrad degree, a fisheries master's, and am concerned with species being placed well outside their native range without a thorough understanding of what the effects might be beforehand.
come and talk to me about salmon farming i live on vancouver island and i think you should take an iv hook it up to your self and drain your blood like your doing to the wild salmon you TRADER!!
Wldfsh, ask yourself why your posts can stay up on this video but any negative response to Mortons video's are not alowed. I have tried and get no reply. She is all propaganda from what I can see, so sad.
I work in the industry and although I am not a salmon farmer I am damm proud to be considered one. Keep up the good work Folkboat11 and schmarley2007, I sure do appriciate your efforts!
Wldfsh, for a "I am a science technician with a post graduate degree. That's after high school, in case you didn't know". Get your money back. We knew from studies in the 1960's that up to 74% of the out going Pinks did not make past 40 days in the marine environment. This was well before salmon farming.
Amen, Someone who actually knows what they're talking about . She is funded by US interest groups people Clue in to what that means. her agenda is a selfish one strictly to destroy a Canadian industry that takes away from a horribly enhanced US one ie. The Alaska Commercial salmon fishery. I believe in Alaska they refer to it as ranching not farming. They grow fish in hatcheries then deposit them in the ocean and open the fishery on them.
I like the way you intimidate the protesters with "I am a Salmon farmer, and i don't care what you have to say" attitude. Would have got more answers if you just asked them to explain their stance. Not that you need an explanation, it is pretty safe to say Salmon farming on the BC Coast has Cart Blanc.
I am thinking you may actually be one of these people in the video with nothing to say. Did it take you a year to have enough courage to finally respond? These people in the video were given a fair chance to respond, but they didn't. Anyways, it would only be typical lies, omissions and rhetoric that they know is too embarrassing to get caught saying on tape.
Open your eyes. Salmon farming is destroying the water quality for bypass fisheries. Just look at the return of pink salmon. 80% kill rate from lice infestation of any salmon fry that pass by farms.
I am a science technician with a post graduate degree. That's after high school, in case you didn't know.
I admit they should have had a spokesman there who actually had a voice and shame on them for not taking a stand. At least they are not uneducated.
The Moore Foundation is the major source of funding for sea lice research by environmental organizations in British Columbia. SeaWeb publicized sea lice research by the David Suzuki Foundation during the time that SeaWeb was funded to "shift consumer and retailer demand away from farmed salmon." Alexandra Morton and John Volpe are profiled at SeaWeb as photographers.
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It is a good thing " Vivian Krause' is in to research. Look for her interviews on Youtube. American foundations have payed over $90 million to promote so called wild Alaskan over farmed. Millions of that money went to so-called grassroots protests in western Canada. Why didn't these foundations put any money to enviromental action in the Gulf of Mexico, on the eastren seaboard or the Alaskan coast?
Folkboat11 5 months ago
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Google"A charity with plenty of very long tentacles". We are being Americanized.
"They are de facto political organizations in B.C.," he says. "They're distorting the balance of power where a few people control these huge amounts of money that flow in from the U.S." And, he believes the growing impact of environmental groups is only hurting British Columbia's economic potential".
Folkboat11 1 year ago
Here's a good one for you...How come the BC fish farming industry is fighting for regulations that would allow them to seel their product without having to even test their fish for diseases? That fact that fish farmers don't want the public to know what their fish are eating (dyes,and livestock feces), what kind of diseases they're carrying is laughable considering that they also want their fish to be certified organic!
Alaskrab 1 year ago
@Alaskrab Lets talk disease. Salmon Anemia? Here it is called Marine Anemia. Also there is Bacterial Kidney Disease, Loma, Setticemia, Vibrio, and IHN, ect, that is carried by free range stolks of salmon and many pacific fish species. I hope farmed salmon in Alaska are tested for these diseases prior to release as our smolts are tested prior to salt water disease free entry. also do you test your fish prior to market? We do.
Folkboat11 1 year ago
@Alaskrab What do you feed your Alsaka hatchery factory farms up there? Oh Ya. Millions of Alaska hatchery salmon were fed food contaminated with the same substance behind a massive pet food recall across the country. The melamine-infused fish feed. But Alaska never recalled the feed. It was all fed out and the salmon were released into the wild. Way To Go Alaska.
Folkboat11 1 year ago
Hold it---I just saw a video saying how horrible salmon farming was! Who the heck is to be believed? Seems to me that farming salmon would serve to protect, not harm, native stocks. In terms of pollution, don't salmon poop in the water anyway? I don't get it!
TheCannonofMohammed 1 year ago
schmarly2007 found protesters who didn't want to speak on camera and calls this an argument to the problems fish farms introduce - such as sea lice that devastate wild stocks, or the tons of pesticides fish farms dump into the oceans. Can it surprise anyone that the farms are placed right in the middle of wild salmon migratory runs? What better way to improve market conditions of farmed fish than to kill the wild competition? The worst part is, Canadian governments allow it.
Sointula2 2 years ago
Dear Sointula2;
It sucks when the tables are turned eh? Here's some facts to respond to your silly comment.
#1 - no pesticides used on BC salmon farms.
#2 - 80,000,000 kgs produced each year and less than a 12 kgs of treatment used to treat for sea lice (hardly tons my friend)
#3 - accusing salmon farms of wanting to "kill" the competition? WTF? How quickly you forget why salmon farming started in the first place...commercial fishing killed most of them off. Convenient lack of memory.
schmarly2007 2 years ago
Good comment.
You know the truth. I know the truth.
The commercial fishery is in denial.
Big Time.
Purse seighner's elimated many schools of Salmon. Wiped them right out.
Dumb pricks.
I don't buy wild salmon anymore.
This is how to save them.
semtech30 2 years ago
I believe what Schmarly2007 says more than the table bangers suporting dog science and hearsay. Pesticides? Where do you get this info from Sointula? Sea Lice that Devastate wild Stocks? That myth has been busted long ago.
Folkboat11 2 years ago
Not true. Look at what's happening all around the world. It's not just here - the same damage is being done. Read the headlines from south america!
Sointula2 2 years ago
"Sointula2";
You need to steer clear of "Google" for a while and get out in the real world. Your comments are well overstated and it seems you don't care to find out fact. Too bad.
schmarly2007 2 years ago
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sparkylu424 2 years ago
My husband's family did tagging on Broughton pink salmon in the fifties for the DFO. It was already known even then that the fish returned in sporadic numbers year to year. other factors like logging, slides , water temp, climate change all play a part. Instead of blaming farms ask what is it about the area that causes lice to be so prolific perhaps or ask yourself how many doctored photos ms Morton has
TheMyfancypants 2 years ago
We need to save our wild fish stocks, not demolish them with disease and sea lice. Look into what salmon farming in BC has done and is doing to the wild salmon populations. I know that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but as a person that lives a life with a very close relationship to the ocean, I have seen first hand the destruction that salmon farming is causing. I won't comment on any of the previously mentioned studies here, but seriously, fish farming has got to change or go...
Alaskrab 2 years ago
Alaskrab;
You've seen first hand huh? What have you seen and where? Be specific please.
schmarly2007 2 years ago
Good work schmarly2007. I believe those who are against salmon farming don't know what their talking about.
fytech 3 years ago
Save the wild salmon, eat them all? even sport fishing is in jeopardy with low returns. Look at the U,S west coast. Sport and wild salmon fisheries are closed.
Folkboat11 3 years ago
I took your suggestion Meatsalad and looked into which is healthier: wild Pacific salmon or non-native farm-raised Atlantic salmon. Latest study says Farmed is. But not by much. Both are fine to eat. In fact Salmon have less contaminants than some fruits, Meats, and Vegtables
Folkboat11 3 years ago
And for anyone else reading this, look into which is healthier: wild Pacific salmon or non-native farm-raised Atlantic salmon and decide which you want to eat. The taste comparison is pretty convincing as well. I know I don't like eating artificially dyed fish meat that otherwise would be a nice dull gray.
meatsalad2004 3 years ago
I know many people that prefer the lighter taste of Atlantic over the stronger taste of wild (what species are you talking about). I know I do not like to read artificially mindless generatorated propaganda that you are dyed with.
Folkboat11 3 years ago
Do you eat oranges, weiners, any fruit or veg that is imported ? Do you know contrary to Ms Morton's claims Slice is used in organic farming in the USA ? Search the web for yourself fool. She is a liar
TheMyfancypants 2 years ago
Hello Meatsalad. I am honoured that you joined You Tube yesterday just to comment on my video. Very nice of you.
First, you and I probably don't agree on the definition of 'independant'. A study that is funded by competitors to aquaculture (commercial fishing - 'Finest At Sea') doesn't qualify (to me) as independant.
Here are some other researchers to look up: Jones, Bricknell, Ferrell, Brooks, Butterworth, Beamish.
To quote only one study is ignorant...doesn't surprise me though.
schmarly2007 3 years ago
Your arrogant attitude doesn't surprise me, either. Yup, joined Utube after seeing such an annoying video but have wanted to join for awhile. So congrats, you recruited me. I could quote plenty of other researchers for you as well (Bjorn, Fleming, Garant, Naylor, etc.). I mentioned the one study in response to your other commenter mentioning Morton. My point, though, is that the burden of proof lies with your industry b/c of the potential to seriously affect a valuable resource.
meatsalad2004 3 years ago
If your industry has no effect on wild salmon, why don't you get some independent scientists together to do some quality research to prove it? Get it published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal (Morton has) where other qualified scientists from different organizations review your work for scientific integrity before publishing. You should actually be mandated to do so to show that your company doesn't have an irreparable effect on such a major resource important the U.S. and Canada.
meatsalad2004 3 years ago
Oh please schmarly. Your battery died or you got schooled in the debate with Gwen? What does this video accomplish? Certainly you haven't made any kind of argument for the benefits of salmon farming whatsoever. You're obviously bitter that people are exposing the negative effects of your job.
meatsalad2004 3 years ago
It's amazing how many 'anti-everythings' are brave enough to comment on websites (like meatsalad2004), but scared to provide comment when a camera will catch their ignorant, uneducated comments.
This video simply points out the fact that most protesters that you see on TV actually don't even understand why they're there.
schmarly2007 3 years ago
Please don't lump me with the clowns you attempted to interview. I agree that some protesters are uneducated about what they're protesting. I've never protested a thing in my life nor do I plan to and I'm not an 'anti-everything'. I'm a sportfisherman with a biology undergrad degree, a fisheries master's, and am concerned with species being placed well outside their native range without a thorough understanding of what the effects might be beforehand.
meatsalad2004 3 years ago
come and talk to me about salmon farming i live on vancouver island and i think you should take an iv hook it up to your self and drain your blood like your doing to the wild salmon you TRADER!!
Drywalle 3 years ago
BINGO
TheMyfancypants 2 years ago
Wldfsh, ask yourself why your posts can stay up on this video but any negative response to Mortons video's are not alowed. I have tried and get no reply. She is all propaganda from what I can see, so sad.
Folkboat11 3 years ago 5
I work in the industry and although I am not a salmon farmer I am damm proud to be considered one. Keep up the good work Folkboat11 and schmarley2007, I sure do appriciate your efforts!
boscopin 3 years ago
Wldfsh, for a "I am a science technician with a post graduate degree. That's after high school, in case you didn't know". Get your money back. We knew from studies in the 1960's that up to 74% of the out going Pinks did not make past 40 days in the marine environment. This was well before salmon farming.
Folkboat11 3 years ago 3
Amen, Someone who actually knows what they're talking about . She is funded by US interest groups people Clue in to what that means. her agenda is a selfish one strictly to destroy a Canadian industry that takes away from a horribly enhanced US one ie. The Alaska Commercial salmon fishery. I believe in Alaska they refer to it as ranching not farming. They grow fish in hatcheries then deposit them in the ocean and open the fishery on them.
TheMyfancypants 2 years ago
"Anybody want to speak"
"Are you able to talk to me"
"Are you interested in saying anything"
Yeah, that's really intimidating...whimp.
schmarly2007 3 years ago
Nice, lets make it personal shall we jerk off!
Wldfsh 3 years ago
I like the way you intimidate the protesters with "I am a Salmon farmer, and i don't care what you have to say" attitude. Would have got more answers if you just asked them to explain their stance. Not that you need an explanation, it is pretty safe to say Salmon farming on the BC Coast has Cart Blanc.
Wldfsh 3 years ago
Ahh, wldfsh, you seem awful defensive.
I am thinking you may actually be one of these people in the video with nothing to say. Did it take you a year to have enough courage to finally respond? These people in the video were given a fair chance to respond, but they didn't. Anyways, it would only be typical lies, omissions and rhetoric that they know is too embarrassing to get caught saying on tape.
Save wild salmon - don't eat 'em.
schmarly2007 3 years ago
Open your eyes. Salmon farming is destroying the water quality for bypass fisheries. Just look at the return of pink salmon. 80% kill rate from lice infestation of any salmon fry that pass by farms.
I am a science technician with a post graduate degree. That's after high school, in case you didn't know.
I admit they should have had a spokesman there who actually had a voice and shame on them for not taking a stand. At least they are not uneducated.
Wldfsh 3 years ago
Good work mate, I farm Atlantic Salmon in NW Scotland and have no time for people like that.
DonLava11 4 years ago
Do you have any wild fish left in Scotland? And I am pretty sure that your ocaen is the Atlantic! Dumbass!
Wldfsh 3 years ago
The Moore Foundation is the major source of funding for sea lice research by environmental organizations in British Columbia. SeaWeb publicized sea lice research by the David Suzuki Foundation during the time that SeaWeb was funded to "shift consumer and retailer demand away from farmed salmon." Alexandra Morton and John Volpe are profiled at SeaWeb as photographers.
Folkboat11 4 years ago
NGOs are only strong untill they are questioned. Then the Ostriches stick their head in the sand. Nice work btw :) Keep it up
Folkboat11 4 years ago
Fucking Hippys. I farm Salmon
alistairarthur 4 years ago