@Musolino227 wow...manning and brees both superbowl mvps and are the reason they won both...you can't tell me brees or peyton would go play in Pittsburgh and wouldn't have been superbowl mvps in both appearances...heck if peyton or drew played in the superbowl versus green bay I promise you they would have won it.
Okay let's get this straight right now Ben Roethlisberger isn't in the same league as Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees. Those guys put up numbers and win, Brees and Manning do it with a crappy defense (unlike Ben) Rodgers very soon will be mentioned with those three QBs, and i don't care if Ben gets 4 rings he will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be in the same league as MR. Joe Montana. That is all i got.
@DaBlackGoku17 Well if you look at Mr. Joe Montana first 7 years and look at Big Ben's first 7 you'll see that all their stats are exactly identical.
And the whole put up crappy numbers and will argument falls flat because the Peyton got a ring they had a great defense. The year the Saints won they was number one in take away.
Also the Packers have a great defense as wall. Charles Woodson was defensive player of the year a couple a seasons ago and Clay Matthews and Raji are stars in the making
@DaBlackGoku17 how many super bowl wins do manning and brees have.... oh yeah one, ben has two in 3 appearances. ben had the best rookie year till cam newton this season. yeah brady is good, but he only throw short passes. ben is in the top 5 right now because he is consistent and hes great. and ben one day WILL be in the same league as Montana, and Marion, and Bradshaw because he is a football guy. and THE BEST QB IN THE NFL RIGHT NOW.
Roethlisberger of course..when all else fails count the rings --Ben has been to 3 SB's in 7 years, Rodgers, isn't so shabby himself -but way to soon to put those 2 in the same sentence.
When NFL was the REAL NFL No QB was protected. Aikman,Bradshaw,Elway,Montana,Moon,Testerverde,Kosar,Fouts,Marino,Tarkenton,ETC were all hit late and no flag or stupid fine.Defensive players never hold back in those days they were all HIT LATE!!! Rodgers is protected. Defensive players will avoid hitting him late.Rodgers is not tough enough.NFL is getting soft.Goodell ruined game
@timathey12 He's wrong I don't recall Ben crying. I'm not even a Steeler fan. Packer fans just don't want to admit Rodgers is one of the protected QBs. Rodgers not as bad as Brady and Manning but still protected
Rodgers is better. Yeah Ben has 2 SB rings but he played like shit in one of those Super Bowls and wasn't even MVP in either of them. Rodgers had to lead his team to a Super Bowl win when they lost Ryan Grant early in the season and faced 5 straight elimination games. He also had one of the best postseasons of any SB winning QB in NFL history. He's had QB ratings over 110 in 4 of his first 5 postseason games. How many QB's have ever done that? Not Brady, Manning, or Big Ben that's for sure.
Ok since the better D thing will get argued lets say GB has a way better secondary. That's not even close... No secondary in the NFL can match them so no1 should of expected 'big ben' to do anything against them and he didnt.
Aaron is the better 'QB'. Just look at the stats. Also I would say Aaron Is better outside the pocket too. He is the second best QB in the NFL at running with the ball and Big Ben isn't the one thats better. If you doubt that just watch Rodgers play the falcons in the playoffs they couldn't bring him down. Also look what Big Ben did in the super bowl. 2 td 2 int with a 77 qb rating? Rodgers was over 300 yards with a 111 qb rating and 3 tds.. Much better. Gb does have the better defense though.
you rlly cant compare them there both QB's butttttt they have different styles rodgers is a drop back fire it ben is a drop back dodge 3 guys because of his line extend the play throw ppl off him and extend the play rodgers is drop quick pas quick pass quick pass ben is a roming qb rodgers more pocket there both elite QB's ones better at one aspect and the others better at another when it comes down to it they both deserve credit for being two of the best in the NFL
It's a shame that Big Ben is one of the best QB's in the league and he will never get credit for what he does because he plays on a team with a great defense. Stats don't always tell the stories, guys. You have to take into context what Ben does for his team. The guy plays behind one of worst O-Lines in the league, and has a mediocre WR core. Heath and Wallace are pretty good, but Hines is getting old and his other WR's are rookies. He doesn't put up big stats, but no what, he's a playmaker
@GreenDay1981 I never said they had a great O-Line. But Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Jermichael Finley are all great/explosive WR's. Mike Wallace is good for Ben, but Hines isn't a big play guy....
@EverythingEvil007 You should also mention how QBs like Brady,Manning,Rodgers are all over protected by refs. If defensive player hits Brady late its a flag and fine. Ben always gets hit late. Big Ben is one of the few REAL QBs left in this new flag football game under Goodell. Lets see Brady or Manning take those late hits, they would not last.
@GreenDay1981 Rodgers runs at times thats when Rodgers becomes RB. But what I am saying is when Rodgers is IN POCKET defensive players avoid hitting him late.If defensive player is a foot away they avoid hitting him like the other over protected QBs to avoid flag and fine. Defensive players NEVER avoid hitting Ben,Vick,McNabb late they will always hit them late. Rodgers more protected than Vick, but not as protected as fake Brady. Eagles Coach Andy Reid said some QBs are more favoredDifQBs
@skywalker71903 You said they were overprotected by the refs, not the players. Um, players are suppose to avoid hitting a QB late because they will get flagged for it. Big Ben and Steelers fans just have one thing in common: they whine too much. Ben is becoming the Sidney Crosby of the NFL. Meaning, he whines and cries everytime he gets hit. Also, as mobile of a runner as Vick is, can you blame players for not holding back?
@GreenDay1981 Look at video on youtube "James Harrison hits Drew Brees". Brees is another one.Rodgers is mobile too more,faster than Roethlisberger. Refs must think Rodgers is just not as tough.Besides McNabb too gets hit very late and no flag.McNabb does not run as much as he use to.Like Andy Reid said NFL and refs just favor which QBs they feel like favoring.All old school QBs got hit late and no flag.Elway,Marnio,Etc.Biased league,and league is getting worse under Goodell
@GreenDay1981 Really I never recalled him whining us fans yes&you'd whine too if your Q.B got hit blatantly in the face&no flags were thrown because don't the rules prohibit that type of contact now? Especially when it comes to Q.B's?
@GreenDay1981 Like I said before defensive players avoid hitting Rodgers late so they don't get flag and fine.You can see it if you watch games very closely.TV camera shifts camera view very quickly when QBs throw ball so fans don't notice.Old school NFL QBs such as Montana,Kelly,Elway,Marino,Fouts,etc all got hit late without flags or bullshit fines. Roethlisberger,Vick,Favre,Garrard,McNabb always get hit late and no flag or fine.But if Rodgers gets hit late its flag and fine.Most QBsPROTECTED
@skywalker71903 And like I said before, players are taught not to hit QB's late so that they don't get flagged. So Richard Seymour and Haloti Ngata never got fined for late hits on Roethlisberger? Myron Pryor, Gary Guyton, and Bobby McCray were all fined for late hits on Favre. Jonathan Goff, Anthony Spencer, Antonio Pierce, and Gary Brackett were all fined for late hits on Vick so don't talk like those QB's are so protected.
@GreenDay1981 Seymour Punched Ben in face, come on. Spencer hit Vick when he was out of bounds.And Vick does get hit late when he's out of bounds. Vick gets hit a lot when he is in pocket, and late often even Giants Def. Cor bragged how they can hit Vick late but other QBs like Rodgers or Brady his team will get flagged and fined. Rodgers is more protected than the QBs I mentioned.Rodgers may not be protected as Brady but more than Ben,Vick,McNabb.Hard to avoid hit when run 4.5,as Harrison said
@skywalker71903 All you have provided is your own opinions. You have yet to provide any proof besides some mustached fat ass whining about late hits on his dogfight-loving QB. You said those QB's aren't protected. I provided the names of 9 players that were fined by the NFL for late hits on those QB's you mentioned.
@GreenDay1981 Reid complained cuz Vick does NOT get same treatment as most QBs.Your not supose to punch players its football, not street fighting.Sounds like you only want to hear what you want.Spencer and Pierce got fined for hitting him when he was out of bounds for awhile too.No proof you said, then how come Giants Def. Perry Fewell bragged he can get away with Hitting Vick more than other QBs.Thats Proof.Terrel Suggs said some QBs are protected more than others.Fewell don't care about Vick
@skywalker71903 Every coach thinks their QB gets less protection than other QBs. Rodgers gets sacked and hit lots of times but how many times has a ref thrown a flag for it? You have yet to provide a source that says Rodgers is heavily protected by the NFL. I see Brady and Manning mentioned but never Rodgers. Again, players are TAUGHT not to hit QBs late but sometimes it can't be avoided especially when you can't stop your momentum or don't see that the QB has released the ball.
@GreenDay1981 When you run a 4.4, I don't get how the hell you avoid hitting one of the over protected QBs when you are just a foot away.See "James Harrison hits Drew Brees" on youtube.Harrison was only a foot away. There are no videos on youtube but I have seen defensive players avoid hitting Rodgers, I don't care if you believe me or not. Rodgers may not be "PROTECTED" as Brady boy, but he does not get hit as much as Vick,Ben,McNabb. Flacco to not as much as Brady,but hit more than McNabb
@GreenDay1981 Kid your the one who don't know football.Your Rogers is protected.No player should be protected this football.Sounds like your all for these new Goodell rules.
@skywalker71903 Again, you really think Rodgers doesn't get hit much? He got sacked 50 times in 2009, so don't give me that shit about him being protected.
@GreenDay1981 Difference between sack and late hits.I'm talking about Rodgers getting hit late in pocket which happens to Big Ben,Vick,McNabb and all the old school QBs that played before Early 2000's.Defensive players avoid hitting Rodgers late when Rodgers is in pocket,they avoid to avoid flag and fine.QBs like McNabb always get hit late and never a flag and fine.THEY WILL NOT AVOID HITTING THE QBs "NOT PROTECTED".Like I said before Rodgers is not as pampered as fake Brady.They sack BradyCare
@skywalker71903 If there's such a difference, then you have no right to include Roethlisberger in your argument because he was complaining about being hit in the head AS HE WAS BEING SACKED, not late hits. As far as McNabb goes, I assume you're talking about when he broke a rib against Carolina? The NFL ruled that it wasn't a late or illegal hit.
@GreenDay1981 McNabb is always hit late. Not just the Carolina game, but every game McNabb has played he is always hit late unlike Rodgers.McNabb gets refed like the old school QBs. Bradshaw,Elway,Staubach,Aikman,Testerverde,Kelly,Kosar,etc they all got hit late. NFL is getting soft when they "Protect" the QBs they choose.Rodgers is one of them
@skywalker71903 You just keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. I'm a Packers fan, so I would know if Rodgers was protected by the NFL.
shit, after A-Rod slaughtered pittsburgh's "NO.1 Defense in the whole world!" ....gotta give it to A-Rod, mutha fucker been slinging it like an all pro for a while now....
big bens a sloppy guy that does alright, but he's basically a 6ft 9 fat and slow version of michael vick.
What kind of a stupid question is this? A-rod is definatly the better QB... Ben is only gotten to the superbows because of the steelers defense... A rod proved two season ago he can throw for over 4,000 yards while getting sacked over 50 times and also he can win a SB w/o Finley and a running game.
damn why do people get so pissed when someone doesnt agree with them about football?shit are u out there actualy playin?i get mad when steelers fuck up but u dont see me going on a raging piss fit on youtube just cuz someone sais something about them
@bigman 6499 I was quoting Mike Ditka. The past I was refering to was the pre SB times that many people dont even know about. The stats I said were modern day stats. And if I dont know you and you dont know me then how do you know whether or not Im older than you. You are making some contradicting comments man.
@bigman6499 You could say that but I didnt. It wasnt the same exact circumstances. And they didnt " get away with" a roughing the passer call. If the officials didnt think it was, then thats what you go by. Not your opinion. If your trying to tell me the Steelers didnt deserve to win against the Cards then your just wrong and unintelligent. I have question. You claim your not a Packers fan, but had the Steelers won the SB, would you be defending them like you are for the Packers?
@bigman6499 To your second comment to me. Pittsburgh has won more Super Bowl titles, won more AFC Championship Games (eight) and played in (fifteen) and hosted more (eleven) conference championship games than any other AFC or NFC team. Plus dude your talking about like pre superbowl times. Dude honestly that doesnt matter. I dont believe in livin in the past I think the past is for cowards-like you. And sure hall of fame is an honor but that doesnt make you a better team if you have more HOFers
@timathey12 " I dont believe in livin in the past I think the past is for cowards-like you" And yet you use past accomplishments to defend your argument that the Steelers are the best. You contradicted yourself. Where do you get off calling me a coward? You don't know me. I haven't insulted you. You wanna act like an ignorant troll and just say so, otherwise grow up and act like an adult. You're older than me and you act like a child. Wow. Bet your family must be proud of you.
@bigman6499 responding to your first comment to me. Yes the Steelers are better in this time. Packers hadn't won SB since 97 and the Steelers won two years ago and also in 05. You dont even realize how lucky GB was to get a playoff spot. They made because the Giants completely blew it in their last games.
@timathey12 "You dont even realize how lucky GB was to get a playoff spot. They made because the Giants completely blew it in their last games..." --- You can say the same thing about the Steelers back in '05 when they won it entering the playoffs as a wild card, and they had favourable calls by the refs when they beat Seattle. They even got away with a roughing the passer penalty in the dying seconds of the SB game vs the Cardinals. Come on man, be realistic.
@timathey12 "You dont even realize how lucky GB was to get a playoff spot. They made because the Giants completely blew it in their last games..." -- You can say the same thing about the Steelers when they won it back in '05 as a wildcard. They had favorable calls against Seattle, even against the Cardinals too. They were lucky to get away with roughing the passer in the dying seconds of the SB game against the Cardinals. No I'm not a Packers fan, but they played great football this season.
@timathey12 Over time...if you have more championships then yes OVER TIME you are the better franchise. But that doesn't mean logically that your franchise can beat anyone and everyone any day. Just because the Steelers had won 6 SB going into this game meant they are better than the Packers in present time.
@timathey12 Yeah well, the Steelers got their asses kicked by the Packers. Your claim that the Steelers are the best NFL team ever is probably based on the fact they won 6 SBs. The Super bowl has only been around since 1967. Packers have won NFL championships prior to the AFL/NFL merger, 13 in total. The Chicago Bears have more players in the Hall of Fame than any other team. To say a team is the best ever is opinion based. Depends on what you focus as the defining variable for superiority.
@Redskins11546 1. Go back to your home country you illegal immigrant. 2. No one ever talks about BIG Ben and the steelers being the best. They are sooo under rated it isn't even funny. All the talk had been about Aaron Rodgers and that the Packers had this win in the bag. Wtf the Steelers have 6 titles, more than anyone. And why the hell does Aaron Rodgers get MVP he did nothing. I bet even if the Steelers had won this game they would keep getting disrespected and overlooked like they have been
Rodgers Iz way better then Ben cuz every 1 says oh Ben rottenberger Iz da best qb in da world well bull crap he throws more bad passes than my cuz that Iz a day old so big Ben Iz officially lil Ben!!!!! Chek out my channel an subscribe 2 me!!!
@redskins11546 when you learn how to talk with decent grammer and get rid of the z button on your keyboard then maybe ppl will take you seriously... until then... fuck outta here
@oBL1NDxRAG3o i give rodgers his props he is a great qb and did outplay ben this game..... but he still not quite on the level ben is on. big ben still does have 2 rings and has been to 3 superbowls and hes only 28 years old while rodgers is 27. ben is the most winningest qb and if i need somebody to actually win the game im goin with ben over even the likes of tom brady or payton manning. but still nice win by rodgers and packers
@erinhannah24 the city of green bay owns and pays for the team. Those are some pretty dedicated fans if they're the ones who brought in the team. Plus the city of green bay names streets after their players. Also, they are the WORLD CHAMPIONS, how can they "suck?" One more thing, the trophy presented to the winning team is named after a packers coach who won the first two super bowls ever.
@erinhannah24 lol.. the packers have the most loyal fans in the entire NFL.. (including me) and how the fuck have u never heard of the oldest team in the entire NFL??? GOPACKGO
@erinhannah24 I don't know if you know the layout of the NFL, but typically the best team wins the Super Bowl...so logically speaking, of the past NFL season, the Packers are definitely the BEST team. I'm also pretty sure your team is a private corporation (as well as every other team in the NFL) whereas the Packers are a public organization owned solely by the fans, which is true devotion. Risking your financial security for a sport? That's dedication. So, in short, you are wrong. Just wrong.
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Um u dnt realize he raped a girl and another dude did steroids and a got kicked but rothlisberger got off free but thats not racist and steelers suck dick like rothlisberger made that girl do :D
@bobleeswagman your comment makes you sound like a retard. he was accused by 2 dumb ass sluts. cant listen to what women say these days cuz they all the same a bunch of lying hoes especially those little club girls. funny how the first girl decided not to press chargers after she got paid and the second girl changed her story aa countless amount of times.... hmmmmmm thats quite interesting. fuck outta here
You know the difference between a football player and a vagina? nothing, they're both pussies who wear pads so they don't bleed. Grow a pair and play rugby league you bunch of pansies.
@Hondaftw1 Do you even know what the hell ignorance means? American football doesn't deserve to be called football and it certainly doesn't deserve to be called American.
@stigler30 Again, ignorance. Football is a term derived from games played on your feet, not exclusively with your feet. And the only reason we call it American football is to avoid confusion with other sports called football. It's also called Gridiron football. You sir have been enlightened.
@stigler30 Why does that matter? They didn't want to call their sport football. I simply explained where the term football derived from. I'm calling you ignorant because of your obvious lack of understanding and knowledge of American football. And yet, you decide to judge it based on that little understanding you have.
ben roethlisberger!!!!!!!!!!!
chujngkevin0701 1 week ago
@Musolino227 wow...manning and brees both superbowl mvps and are the reason they won both...you can't tell me brees or peyton would go play in Pittsburgh and wouldn't have been superbowl mvps in both appearances...heck if peyton or drew played in the superbowl versus green bay I promise you they would have won it.
Blueknightt85 2 weeks ago
Tom Brady
SWbayron 1 month ago
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Ben says - There is no assault like sexual assault
bloodystarcthulhu 2 months ago
Aaron never raped anyone.
bloodystarcthulhu 2 months ago
Talking about football with a NewYorkKnicks banner in the background smh
1xoirc 2 months ago
I agree with u man there both great . My personal favorite is aaron but there both good
whassupcool 3 months ago
Aaron Rodgers ftw
ww2SovietRussians 3 months ago
Rogers is the best! Ben is the opposite of best! That is my opinion.
toddhenrichsen 3 months ago
Okay let's get this straight right now Ben Roethlisberger isn't in the same league as Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees. Those guys put up numbers and win, Brees and Manning do it with a crappy defense (unlike Ben) Rodgers very soon will be mentioned with those three QBs, and i don't care if Ben gets 4 rings he will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be in the same league as MR. Joe Montana. That is all i got.
DaBlackGoku17 7 months ago
@DaBlackGoku17 Well if you look at Mr. Joe Montana first 7 years and look at Big Ben's first 7 you'll see that all their stats are exactly identical.
And the whole put up crappy numbers and will argument falls flat because the Peyton got a ring they had a great defense. The year the Saints won they was number one in take away.
Also the Packers have a great defense as wall. Charles Woodson was defensive player of the year a couple a seasons ago and Clay Matthews and Raji are stars in the making
MarkC538 6 months ago
@DaBlackGoku17 yeah i know he isnt.he's above their league.
N1NJ4F15H 5 months ago
@DaBlackGoku17 how many super bowl wins do manning and brees have.... oh yeah one, ben has two in 3 appearances. ben had the best rookie year till cam newton this season. yeah brady is good, but he only throw short passes. ben is in the top 5 right now because he is consistent and hes great. and ben one day WILL be in the same league as Montana, and Marion, and Bradshaw because he is a football guy. and THE BEST QB IN THE NFL RIGHT NOW.
Musolino227 2 months ago
ben is allway's going to the best
bighuntandfish 7 months ago
Roethlisberger of course..when all else fails count the rings --Ben has been to 3 SB's in 7 years, Rodgers, isn't so shabby himself -but way to soon to put those 2 in the same sentence.
SteelChampyinz 7 months ago
When NFL was the REAL NFL No QB was protected. Aikman,Bradshaw,Elway,Montana,Moon,Testerverde,Kosar,Fouts,Marino,Tarkenton,ETC were all hit late and no flag or stupid fine.Defensive players never hold back in those days they were all HIT LATE!!! Rodgers is protected. Defensive players will avoid hitting him late.Rodgers is not tough enough.NFL is getting soft.Goodell ruined game
skywalker71903 8 months ago
@greenday 1981 Im just curious can you name one time when Ben Roethlisberger has whined about being hit?! gfy
timathey12 8 months ago
@timathey12 He's wrong I don't recall Ben crying. I'm not even a Steeler fan. Packer fans just don't want to admit Rodgers is one of the protected QBs. Rodgers not as bad as Brady and Manning but still protected
skywalker71903 7 months ago
@skywalker71903 How about providing some proof that Rodgers is so protected?
GreenDay1981 7 months ago
Rodgers is better. Yeah Ben has 2 SB rings but he played like shit in one of those Super Bowls and wasn't even MVP in either of them. Rodgers had to lead his team to a Super Bowl win when they lost Ryan Grant early in the season and faced 5 straight elimination games. He also had one of the best postseasons of any SB winning QB in NFL history. He's had QB ratings over 110 in 4 of his first 5 postseason games. How many QB's have ever done that? Not Brady, Manning, or Big Ben that's for sure.
GreenDay1981 8 months ago
Ok since the better D thing will get argued lets say GB has a way better secondary. That's not even close... No secondary in the NFL can match them so no1 should of expected 'big ben' to do anything against them and he didnt.
iev0lution 9 months ago
Aaron is the better 'QB'. Just look at the stats. Also I would say Aaron Is better outside the pocket too. He is the second best QB in the NFL at running with the ball and Big Ben isn't the one thats better. If you doubt that just watch Rodgers play the falcons in the playoffs they couldn't bring him down. Also look what Big Ben did in the super bowl. 2 td 2 int with a 77 qb rating? Rodgers was over 300 yards with a 111 qb rating and 3 tds.. Much better. Gb does have the better defense though.
iev0lution 9 months ago
you rlly cant compare them there both QB's butttttt they have different styles rodgers is a drop back fire it ben is a drop back dodge 3 guys because of his line extend the play throw ppl off him and extend the play rodgers is drop quick pas quick pass quick pass ben is a roming qb rodgers more pocket there both elite QB's ones better at one aspect and the others better at another when it comes down to it they both deserve credit for being two of the best in the NFL
Yoder23m 9 months ago
jesus thats a hair cut you could set your watch too
maw1011 9 months ago
Ben is better he is tougher to
213koolaid 9 months ago
@213koolaid no doubt
Steelersarethebeasts 9 months ago
It's a shame that Big Ben is one of the best QB's in the league and he will never get credit for what he does because he plays on a team with a great defense. Stats don't always tell the stories, guys. You have to take into context what Ben does for his team. The guy plays behind one of worst O-Lines in the league, and has a mediocre WR core. Heath and Wallace are pretty good, but Hines is getting old and his other WR's are rookies. He doesn't put up big stats, but no what, he's a playmaker
EverythingEvil007 10 months ago
@EverythingEvil007 Green Bay doesn't have the best O-line either.
GreenDay1981 8 months ago
@GreenDay1981 I never said they had a great O-Line. But Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Jermichael Finley are all great/explosive WR's. Mike Wallace is good for Ben, but Hines isn't a big play guy....
EverythingEvil007 8 months ago
@EverythingEvil007 You should also mention how QBs like Brady,Manning,Rodgers are all over protected by refs. If defensive player hits Brady late its a flag and fine. Ben always gets hit late. Big Ben is one of the few REAL QBs left in this new flag football game under Goodell. Lets see Brady or Manning take those late hits, they would not last.
skywalker71903 8 months ago
@skywalker71903 Watch the 2009 wild card playoff game against Arizona and tell me the refs protect Rodgers.
GreenDay1981 8 months ago
@GreenDay1981 Rodgers runs at times thats when Rodgers becomes RB. But what I am saying is when Rodgers is IN POCKET defensive players avoid hitting him late.If defensive player is a foot away they avoid hitting him like the other over protected QBs to avoid flag and fine. Defensive players NEVER avoid hitting Ben,Vick,McNabb late they will always hit them late. Rodgers more protected than Vick, but not as protected as fake Brady. Eagles Coach Andy Reid said some QBs are more favoredDifQBs
skywalker71903 8 months ago
@skywalker71903 You said they were overprotected by the refs, not the players. Um, players are suppose to avoid hitting a QB late because they will get flagged for it. Big Ben and Steelers fans just have one thing in common: they whine too much. Ben is becoming the Sidney Crosby of the NFL. Meaning, he whines and cries everytime he gets hit. Also, as mobile of a runner as Vick is, can you blame players for not holding back?
GreenDay1981 8 months ago
@GreenDay1981 Look at video on youtube "James Harrison hits Drew Brees". Brees is another one.Rodgers is mobile too more,faster than Roethlisberger. Refs must think Rodgers is just not as tough.Besides McNabb too gets hit very late and no flag.McNabb does not run as much as he use to.Like Andy Reid said NFL and refs just favor which QBs they feel like favoring.All old school QBs got hit late and no flag.Elway,Marnio,Etc.Biased league,and league is getting worse under Goodell
skywalker71903 8 months ago
@GreenDay1981 Really I never recalled him whining us fans yes&you'd whine too if your Q.B got hit blatantly in the face&no flags were thrown because don't the rules prohibit that type of contact now? Especially when it comes to Q.B's?
beamerball666 7 months ago
@beamerball666 I'd say considering Ben plays on a team with James Harrison, he has no room to whine about late hits.
GreenDay1981 7 months ago
@GreenDay1981 Roger Goodell is an ass....
beamerball666 7 months ago
@GreenDay1981 Like I said before defensive players avoid hitting Rodgers late so they don't get flag and fine.You can see it if you watch games very closely.TV camera shifts camera view very quickly when QBs throw ball so fans don't notice.Old school NFL QBs such as Montana,Kelly,Elway,Marino,Fouts,etc all got hit late without flags or bullshit fines. Roethlisberger,Vick,Favre,Garrard,McNabb always get hit late and no flag or fine.But if Rodgers gets hit late its flag and fine.Most QBsPROTECTED
skywalker71903 7 months ago
@skywalker71903 And like I said before, players are taught not to hit QB's late so that they don't get flagged. So Richard Seymour and Haloti Ngata never got fined for late hits on Roethlisberger? Myron Pryor, Gary Guyton, and Bobby McCray were all fined for late hits on Favre. Jonathan Goff, Anthony Spencer, Antonio Pierce, and Gary Brackett were all fined for late hits on Vick so don't talk like those QB's are so protected.
GreenDay1981 7 months ago
@GreenDay1981 Seymour Punched Ben in face, come on. Spencer hit Vick when he was out of bounds.And Vick does get hit late when he's out of bounds. Vick gets hit a lot when he is in pocket, and late often even Giants Def. Cor bragged how they can hit Vick late but other QBs like Rodgers or Brady his team will get flagged and fined. Rodgers is more protected than the QBs I mentioned.Rodgers may not be protected as Brady but more than Ben,Vick,McNabb.Hard to avoid hit when run 4.5,as Harrison said
skywalker71903 7 months ago
@skywalker71903 All you have provided is your own opinions. You have yet to provide any proof besides some mustached fat ass whining about late hits on his dogfight-loving QB. You said those QB's aren't protected. I provided the names of 9 players that were fined by the NFL for late hits on those QB's you mentioned.
GreenDay1981 7 months ago
@GreenDay1981 Reid complained cuz Vick does NOT get same treatment as most QBs.Your not supose to punch players its football, not street fighting.Sounds like you only want to hear what you want.Spencer and Pierce got fined for hitting him when he was out of bounds for awhile too.No proof you said, then how come Giants Def. Perry Fewell bragged he can get away with Hitting Vick more than other QBs.Thats Proof.Terrel Suggs said some QBs are protected more than others.Fewell don't care about Vick
skywalker71903 7 months ago
@skywalker71903 Every coach thinks their QB gets less protection than other QBs. Rodgers gets sacked and hit lots of times but how many times has a ref thrown a flag for it? You have yet to provide a source that says Rodgers is heavily protected by the NFL. I see Brady and Manning mentioned but never Rodgers. Again, players are TAUGHT not to hit QBs late but sometimes it can't be avoided especially when you can't stop your momentum or don't see that the QB has released the ball.
GreenDay1981 7 months ago
@GreenDay1981 When you run a 4.4, I don't get how the hell you avoid hitting one of the over protected QBs when you are just a foot away.See "James Harrison hits Drew Brees" on youtube.Harrison was only a foot away. There are no videos on youtube but I have seen defensive players avoid hitting Rodgers, I don't care if you believe me or not. Rodgers may not be "PROTECTED" as Brady boy, but he does not get hit as much as Vick,Ben,McNabb. Flacco to not as much as Brady,but hit more than McNabb
skywalker71903 7 months ago
@skywalker71903 You really have little knowledge of the game of football, don't you?
GreenDay1981 7 months ago
@GreenDay1981 Kid your the one who don't know football.Your Rogers is protected.No player should be protected this football.Sounds like your all for these new Goodell rules.
skywalker71903 7 months ago
@skywalker71903 Again, you really think Rodgers doesn't get hit much? He got sacked 50 times in 2009, so don't give me that shit about him being protected.
GreenDay1981 7 months ago
@GreenDay1981 Difference between sack and late hits.I'm talking about Rodgers getting hit late in pocket which happens to Big Ben,Vick,McNabb and all the old school QBs that played before Early 2000's.Defensive players avoid hitting Rodgers late when Rodgers is in pocket,they avoid to avoid flag and fine.QBs like McNabb always get hit late and never a flag and fine.THEY WILL NOT AVOID HITTING THE QBs "NOT PROTECTED".Like I said before Rodgers is not as pampered as fake Brady.They sack BradyCare
skywalker71903 7 months ago
@skywalker71903 If there's such a difference, then you have no right to include Roethlisberger in your argument because he was complaining about being hit in the head AS HE WAS BEING SACKED, not late hits. As far as McNabb goes, I assume you're talking about when he broke a rib against Carolina? The NFL ruled that it wasn't a late or illegal hit.
GreenDay1981 7 months ago
@GreenDay1981 McNabb is always hit late. Not just the Carolina game, but every game McNabb has played he is always hit late unlike Rodgers.McNabb gets refed like the old school QBs. Bradshaw,Elway,Staubach,Aikman,Testerverde,Kelly,Kosar,etc they all got hit late. NFL is getting soft when they "Protect" the QBs they choose.Rodgers is one of them
skywalker71903 7 months ago
@skywalker71903 Just get over it already. You've been at it for 2 weeks now.
GreenDay1981 7 months ago
@GreenDay1981 You get over. I can tell you sense I am right about Rodgers.Have a good day!!!
skywalker71903 7 months ago
@skywalker71903 You just keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. I'm a Packers fan, so I would know if Rodgers was protected by the NFL.
GreenDay1981 7 months ago
@GreenDay1981 Defensive players will avoid hitting Rodgers late so they can avoid flag and fine.They took skirt off in Super Bowl
skywalker71903 7 months ago
shit, after A-Rod slaughtered pittsburgh's "NO.1 Defense in the whole world!" ....gotta give it to A-Rod, mutha fucker been slinging it like an all pro for a while now....
big bens a sloppy guy that does alright, but he's basically a 6ft 9 fat and slow version of michael vick.
KenFan4life 10 months ago
@KenFan4life He's not slow or fat... I bet he run's MUCH faster then you.
akahi5 9 months ago
What kind of a stupid question is this? A-rod is definatly the better QB... Ben is only gotten to the superbows because of the steelers defense... A rod proved two season ago he can throw for over 4,000 yards while getting sacked over 50 times and also he can win a SB w/o Finley and a running game.
dqlbmw 10 months ago
damn why do people get so pissed when someone doesnt agree with them about football?shit are u out there actualy playin?i get mad when steelers fuck up but u dont see me going on a raging piss fit on youtube just cuz someone sais something about them
StraightEdgeSkaterr 11 months ago
Yeah totally. He's too arrogant to admit he lost the argument and to admit that he's a Packers fan.
timathey12 1 year ago
@bigman6499 I'm pretty sure his argument is that it matters.
timathey12 1 year ago
@timathey12 thank you, its like this guy cant comprehend english
treezX 1 year ago
@bigman 6499 I was quoting Mike Ditka. The past I was refering to was the pre SB times that many people dont even know about. The stats I said were modern day stats. And if I dont know you and you dont know me then how do you know whether or not Im older than you. You are making some contradicting comments man.
timathey12 1 year ago
@bigman6499 You could say that but I didnt. It wasnt the same exact circumstances. And they didnt " get away with" a roughing the passer call. If the officials didnt think it was, then thats what you go by. Not your opinion. If your trying to tell me the Steelers didnt deserve to win against the Cards then your just wrong and unintelligent. I have question. You claim your not a Packers fan, but had the Steelers won the SB, would you be defending them like you are for the Packers?
timathey12 1 year ago
@bigman6499 To your second comment to me. Pittsburgh has won more Super Bowl titles, won more AFC Championship Games (eight) and played in (fifteen) and hosted more (eleven) conference championship games than any other AFC or NFC team. Plus dude your talking about like pre superbowl times. Dude honestly that doesnt matter. I dont believe in livin in the past I think the past is for cowards-like you. And sure hall of fame is an honor but that doesnt make you a better team if you have more HOFers
timathey12 1 year ago
@timathey12 " I dont believe in livin in the past I think the past is for cowards-like you" And yet you use past accomplishments to defend your argument that the Steelers are the best. You contradicted yourself. Where do you get off calling me a coward? You don't know me. I haven't insulted you. You wanna act like an ignorant troll and just say so, otherwise grow up and act like an adult. You're older than me and you act like a child. Wow. Bet your family must be proud of you.
bigman6499 1 year ago
@bigman6499 responding to your first comment to me. Yes the Steelers are better in this time. Packers hadn't won SB since 97 and the Steelers won two years ago and also in 05. You dont even realize how lucky GB was to get a playoff spot. They made because the Giants completely blew it in their last games.
timathey12 1 year ago
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@timathey12 "You dont even realize how lucky GB was to get a playoff spot. They made because the Giants completely blew it in their last games..." --- You can say the same thing about the Steelers back in '05 when they won it entering the playoffs as a wild card, and they had favourable calls by the refs when they beat Seattle. They even got away with a roughing the passer penalty in the dying seconds of the SB game vs the Cardinals. Come on man, be realistic.
bigman6499 1 year ago
@timathey12 "You dont even realize how lucky GB was to get a playoff spot. They made because the Giants completely blew it in their last games..." -- You can say the same thing about the Steelers when they won it back in '05 as a wildcard. They had favorable calls against Seattle, even against the Cardinals too. They were lucky to get away with roughing the passer in the dying seconds of the SB game against the Cardinals. No I'm not a Packers fan, but they played great football this season.
bigman6499 1 year ago
You sound like an idiot. Obviously if you have more championships then you are the better franchise.
timathey12 1 year ago
@timathey12 Over time...if you have more championships then yes OVER TIME you are the better franchise. But that doesn't mean logically that your franchise can beat anyone and everyone any day. Just because the Steelers had won 6 SB going into this game meant they are better than the Packers in present time.
bigman6499 1 year ago
Steelers are the best NFL team ever, the Packers are not. Enough said
timathey12 1 year ago
@timathey12 Yeah well, the Steelers got their asses kicked by the Packers. Your claim that the Steelers are the best NFL team ever is probably based on the fact they won 6 SBs. The Super bowl has only been around since 1967. Packers have won NFL championships prior to the AFL/NFL merger, 13 in total. The Chicago Bears have more players in the Hall of Fame than any other team. To say a team is the best ever is opinion based. Depends on what you focus as the defining variable for superiority.
bigman6499 1 year ago
ofcourse green bay goes hard, thats why they tha champs!!! case closed....thatisall
datnigjj 1 year ago
obviously Rodgers...hes replacing Favre!
warHero8613 1 year ago
@B17shoota ya 10 other QBs get real ur a dumb ass. ben is in top 3 QBs in the leage. won 2 super bowls been to 3 enough said
daburg412 1 year ago
@Redskins11546 1. Go back to your home country you illegal immigrant. 2. No one ever talks about BIG Ben and the steelers being the best. They are sooo under rated it isn't even funny. All the talk had been about Aaron Rodgers and that the Packers had this win in the bag. Wtf the Steelers have 6 titles, more than anyone. And why the hell does Aaron Rodgers get MVP he did nothing. I bet even if the Steelers had won this game they would keep getting disrespected and overlooked like they have been
timathey12 1 year ago
@GOPACKERSJT wtf the steelers r like the red sox of football! Everyone likes them and they have the most fans
erinhannah24 1 year ago
god this guy is annoying to listen to
MrStocktonian 1 year ago
Rodgers Iz way better then Ben cuz every 1 says oh Ben rottenberger Iz da best qb in da world well bull crap he throws more bad passes than my cuz that Iz a day old so big Ben Iz officially lil Ben!!!!! Chek out my channel an subscribe 2 me!!!
redskins11546 1 year ago
@redskins11546 when you learn how to talk with decent grammer and get rid of the z button on your keyboard then maybe ppl will take you seriously... until then... fuck outta here
cblack1515 1 year ago
Rodgers that's why GB won and why Aaron was MVP lol
oBL1NDxRAG3o 1 year ago
@oBL1NDxRAG3o i give rodgers his props he is a great qb and did outplay ben this game..... but he still not quite on the level ben is on. big ben still does have 2 rings and has been to 3 superbowls and hes only 28 years old while rodgers is 27. ben is the most winningest qb and if i need somebody to actually win the game im goin with ben over even the likes of tom brady or payton manning. but still nice win by rodgers and packers
cblack1515 1 year ago
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PACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!
funnyfun164 1 year ago
PACKERS!!!!!!!!!
funnyfun164 1 year ago
The packers suck how the hell did they win?! I haven't ever even heard of them! Steelers r obviously the better team and have WAY better fans
erinhannah24 1 year ago
@erinhannah24 the city of green bay owns and pays for the team. Those are some pretty dedicated fans if they're the ones who brought in the team. Plus the city of green bay names streets after their players. Also, they are the WORLD CHAMPIONS, how can they "suck?" One more thing, the trophy presented to the winning team is named after a packers coach who won the first two super bowls ever.
GOPACKERSJT 1 year ago
@erinhannah24 lol.. the packers have the most loyal fans in the entire NFL.. (including me) and how the fuck have u never heard of the oldest team in the entire NFL??? GOPACKGO
cooliosmyname 1 year ago
@erinhannah24 I don't know if you know the layout of the NFL, but typically the best team wins the Super Bowl...so logically speaking, of the past NFL season, the Packers are definitely the BEST team. I'm also pretty sure your team is a private corporation (as well as every other team in the NFL) whereas the Packers are a public organization owned solely by the fans, which is true devotion. Risking your financial security for a sport? That's dedication. So, in short, you are wrong. Just wrong.
SickShizta 1 year ago
Packer Pride
idcidk9 1 year ago
WOOOOO Go Pack!!!!!!!
SomeFatLlamas 1 year ago
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BrotherhoodOfDaPie 1 year ago
OMG!!!
My dad's name is Howard Green and there's a player named Howard green!!!
sweetkaysi1990 1 year ago
Just like ur pedophile QB so suck it!!!!
23justindiaz 1 year ago
FUCKK YOU STUPIDD ASS PACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMFGG I HOPE YOU ALL DIE AND FUCKING BURN IN HELLLLLL
MLGxxV0lCoM 1 year ago
@MLGxxV0lCoM your really salty
lilnate0 1 year ago
@MLGxxV0lCoM u mad?.. packerz kick ur asses any day ;)
cooliosmyname 1 year ago
What did i tell you guys clay matthews made ben his bitch
23justindiaz 1 year ago
GREEN AND YELLOW (it's gold BTW).
dirtracer603 1 year ago
Packers have done it!!!!
Mrkyle413 1 year ago
Packers lose! Packers lose! aaaaaaaaaaaahhhh
Cscottrun53 1 year ago
aahhhh yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh packerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs are CHAMPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
B17shoota 1 year ago
Packers win
m1stermaster 1 year ago
Last
Gerwin3743 1 year ago
Um u dnt realize he raped a girl and another dude did steroids and a got kicked but rothlisberger got off free but thats not racist and steelers suck dick like rothlisberger made that girl do :D
chp6thdude 1 year ago
Roethlesberger is s rapist. Accused 1000 times already by different girls.
bobleeswagman 1 year ago
@bobleeswagman your comment makes you sound like a retard. he was accused by 2 dumb ass sluts. cant listen to what women say these days cuz they all the same a bunch of lying hoes especially those little club girls. funny how the first girl decided not to press chargers after she got paid and the second girl changed her story aa countless amount of times.... hmmmmmm thats quite interesting. fuck outta here
cblack1515 1 year ago
both are very gay
Spaxx1001 1 year ago
BEN ROETHLISBURGER!!! CHEESE HEAD PACKERS SUCK MONKEY BUTT HAIRS.
lilroo102 1 year ago
Ummm not sure u realize but rothlisberger raped a chick im just sayn and steelers suck dick like he made that chick do :D
chp6thdude 1 year ago
I don't know what he said obviously, I'm white, but he is black so he probably is right people!!!!!!
hgjj50 1 year ago
Roethlisberger is a Rapist that why the packers are winning right now, God doesnt like rapists
RoyBVA 1 year ago
@RoyBVA too bad god doesnt exist
NitsuaNaed 1 year ago
Lol I bet half the kids that comment on here supporting the steelers only like them because wiz made a song about them.
jshed93 1 year ago
Is this really a serious question. What the hell has Rodgers ever done.
MrDroberts24 1 year ago
@MrDroberts24 lol... rodgers kicks roethlisbergers ass to the curve
cooliosmyname 1 year ago
@cooliosmyname ok.
MrDroberts24 1 year ago
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its obvious, Aaron Rodgers is killin right now
Ziggyzaggy98 1 year ago
Rodgers
vrttlesn 1 year ago
its obvious, Aaron Rodgers is killin right now
Ziggyzaggy98 1 year ago
Big ben fo sho
TheCoz27 1 year ago
@TheCoz27 ur fucking dumb Rodgers is running shit right now
SKmZLobbyz 1 year ago
@SKmZLobbyz Rodgers is a over rated pussy
TheCoz27 1 year ago
@TheCoz27 WOW really????? REALLY????? then whats Ben Roethlisberger?????
NitsuaNaed 1 year ago
@NitsuaNaed not an over rated pussy
TheCoz27 1 year ago
PACKS
Imamotherfckinmonsta 1 year ago
Boo Worthlesberger
NinjaFox1CA 1 year ago
Go PACKERS:)
SisGirl228 1 year ago
Rodgers.
Brentstah 1 year ago
Rodgers
8ter805 1 year ago
rodgers
BalalMuhammadZaman 1 year ago
Do you know the difference between Gree Bay and Pittsburg? Green Bay is a real team
mrlue1 1 year ago
@mrlue1 So true!
Brentstah 1 year ago
38 to 3
mrlue1 1 year ago
You know the difference between a football player and a vagina? nothing, they're both pussies who wear pads so they don't bleed. Grow a pair and play rugby league you bunch of pansies.
stigler30 1 year ago
@stigler30 You sir are the epitome of ignorance.
Hondaftw1 1 year ago
@Hondaftw1 Every man, woman and child is the epitome of ignorance. There will always be an infinite amount of things that everyone doesn't know.
stigler30 1 year ago
@stigler30 Exactly. And you obviously know nothing about football, so you're ignorant for trying to comment on it. Or just trolling.
Hondaftw1 1 year ago
@Hondaftw1 I know that it is the slowest sport on the planet. Grow up and watch REAL football.
stigler30 1 year ago
@stigler30 Lol, and that's all you know. You can try to insult the fans of American football all you want, we'll just laugh at your innate ignorance.
Hondaftw1 1 year ago
@Hondaftw1 Do you even know what the hell ignorance means? American football doesn't deserve to be called football and it certainly doesn't deserve to be called American.
stigler30 1 year ago
@stigler30 Again, ignorance. Football is a term derived from games played on your feet, not exclusively with your feet. And the only reason we call it American football is to avoid confusion with other sports called football. It's also called Gridiron football. You sir have been enlightened.
Hondaftw1 1 year ago
@Hondaftw1 Baseballs played on your feet, basketballs played on your feet. Moron. And you still haven't given me your definition of ignorance.
stigler30 1 year ago
@stigler30 Why does that matter? They didn't want to call their sport football. I simply explained where the term football derived from. I'm calling you ignorant because of your obvious lack of understanding and knowledge of American football. And yet, you decide to judge it based on that little understanding you have.
Hondaftw1 1 year ago
packers bout to shut pittsburg down 38 to 0
mrlue1 1 year ago
Aaron Rodgers. Of course
DEFThands08 1 year ago
gridiron is the most boring and slow paced sports I ever seen.....
polychronio 1 year ago
@polychronio Have you ever watched golf? Or "football?"
OhShitDidHeDie 1 year ago
TOUCH DOWN PACKERS!!!
TheKonfuzedMan 1 year ago
@TheKonfuzedMan Fuck you and fuck the Pacs this shit isn't over.
mmawilldesha 1 year ago
Its kinda hard to say since both teams suck but if its down to QBs, Roethlisberger is slightly better than Rodgers.
Syk0pathik 1 year ago
I hate this matchup. Fuck both teams im just gonna watch porn and eat nachos all night. This season let me down.
cheap3shotproduction 1 year ago
Aaron Rodgers is better... and HOTTER :]
Aliciatheperson 1 year ago
I don't give a fuck, football is gay
HakerzTM 1 year ago
Rothesisburger
sambroman543 1 year ago
Worthlessberger lol
mistaSIRA 1 year ago
Somebody should stab fifty-syllablesberger in the dick
WeaponOfMassDestrOY 1 year ago
greenbay
TheTravis67 1 year ago
Who's weird enough to root for a sex offender? Not even folks in San Quentin I'd think.
WeaponOfMassDestrOY 1 year ago
Packers are going to lose like how they lost against the Bears last week
Themrpeanutproject 1 year ago
Hmmm... A rapist or a Packer. Toss-up.
flightdogg 1 year ago 5
@flightdogg Lol. Never heard it put that way.
JRSportBrief 1 year ago
your on home of youtube
xxlebron23jamesx 1 year ago
Roethlisberger is still a no good ass rapist. It seems like everybody forgets about that but when it's Micheal Vick, it's dog this and murderer that.
Oweboy1960 1 year ago
steelers all the wayyy
marcnelson1228 1 year ago
it's Big Ben snitches!!!! lol Steeler Nation stand up!!!
missrae411 1 year ago
Rodger's bitch!
kobesox13 1 year ago
Shut the fuck up, it all about the QB bitch
TheKenster818 1 year ago
jets you make me sad:(
jb1iffy 1 year ago
PACKERS_
kayutr90 1 year ago
Pack are there cause there good, Steelers are there cause Ben raped the NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, but he liked it.
rubberband3456 1 year ago