i suppose in a perfect world what i'd like most is a promised, free period of research, study or education that anyone could pursue at a university or college, and take up at any time. i miss academia and i wanted longer, but there are some things only a world of work and maturity can provide before you can get back into the books.
i honestly believe now if i were to go back and do an MSc/PhD in computer science, i'd make some meaningful impact on a community that i could truly be proud of.
2) Even the art colleges need me to score well in my secondary education which at this moment is at a failing state. Linking into point 1, our parent's expectations bring us to go through with being in school even when you can see the edge of the cliff straight ahead.... So all in all you are stuck in a dilemma where you have a gun with bullets engraved "FAIL" behind your head... and funnily enough... you cannot do anything because you are basically stuck, all because of your own downfall.
look... I really understand all this and totally agree, but the society aspects have been dug too deep into my head to even try to escape. Even now I know I do not belong to the school and the subjects I have have nothing to do with art, which I really want to do... But there are dozens of things keeping people like me in school; 1) Parents, they expect you to go to school and do well and go to college straight after. Which brings into....
I hate the fact that they say that one major point why we learn all those things in math is so it helps to develop our logical thinking. Why is that all my math teacher have had quite a fucked up logic?
@Mcquiz91 because most math teachers don't actually teach you proper maths, because they're also taught like that
a simple example, 5x5 is 25 because if there's five fives, it will equal twenty-five, This is how you teach children maths..
Now, when you reach a bit of a higher level like algebra, teachers not wanting to waste their time, will teach How to do it, not because of why it is so
@pwahlmueller i worked out a perfect working school system in my mind that don't work with classes and failing your year becasue of some lessons, but focuses on the lessons you want to have, you start doing math 1, french 1 english 1 in the first year and you fail french so next year you do math 2, french 1 again and english 2 or you lost interest in french and choose's to do math 2 english 2 and drawing 1 in your second year. (sorry for bad english)
Continuation: Compulsory education? How can a society based on liberty exist when its people are forced to participate in anything? If people are free, then they must be able to choose education in its entirety. That means as much or as little, where and when, and how. Any arguments that we "need" an educated society are simply based on the busybody syndrome. What invariably follows is a list of reasons why the govt must use force. Let people make their own decisions and live with the results.
Response to rh001YT (to Greenbean950). Understand military history of Sparta/Athens. How does this affect the fact that the Spartans were illiterate and Athenians were one of the most educated society in all of history? Sparta also existed on the brutal treatment of their slaves. Their society collapsed mostly from internal rot... so what? The Spartans were still illiterate because of their ed system.
You mention "Hindus". Please expound. I am researching education and would love to read more.
@Greenbean950 Because trade btwn Europe and India was dangerous the two civilizations evolved mostly unknown to each other. Hindu math & astrology were on par with Greece. Hindus invented "0" long before Europeans. "Algebra" reached Europe from a man in N. Africa named Al Gebra, who learned from Hindu texts passed to Ethopia. Hindus have kept a calendar since about 4000BC. India or Indus, had formal schools, but only for Brahmin. They were warriors and traders. Hinduism reached to Cambodia.
@rh001YT ...I meant to say the Indus were also warriors and traders - the Brahmin were the ruling elite & scholars. Sanskrit is as well developed as Latin, so a bit better than Greek as far back as when Alexander tried to invade India. Music was more developed in India than in the fabled Greece - more notes & scales. Though the masses were mostly illiterate they resisted invasions until the Mughal period, however the southern half of India (Tamil Nadu, Kerala, etc) never fell to the Mughals.
@rh001YT Oh, and I forgot to mention that Hindus invented negative numbers way before Europeans. It is said that the negative numbers were created to keep track of debts. So it is probably true that Hindus already had, for thousands of years, the present day accounting system which in the West is attributed to Paccioli. Of course they did not invent "democracy" - that would go against the caste system. Still it seems they would have comprehended it in order to prevent it. Aryan rule held sway.
@rh001YT I have only a limited familiarity of the Indian/South Central Asian history. Do you have any resources to recommend for their education systems?
@Greenbean950 To research education in India try these google or youtube keywords: "St. Xavier India" "Montessori India" "Don Bosco India" "Catholic schools in India" "Kalinga Instutute of Social Sciences" "Kalinga Institute of Information Technology" "The Doon School" "India Right to Education Act" "Brahmin educatiion". The Catholic/Christian schools teach more Hindu students than their own. Pulbic Schools in India are actually Hindu. All K-12 public or private begin the day with a prayer.
@rh001YT also "Indira Gandhi Open University" "Loretto School" (at Loretto, older girls teach/tutor the younger ones) "rural education India" ...the rural education tends to be quite lackluster. Also "ndtv marks for sports". The Indian government has invented a slimmed down ipad thingy which it claims will be given to all K-12 students. A couple years back India refused to endorse the super-low cost laptop for 3rd worlders program cuz it was too limited.
@rh001YT Also, look into "student suicide India" many parents do push their kids too hard. And for a tangental perspective, view the hit movie "Chillar Party" (Hindi withe English subtitles) This is a G rated flick centering around some urban kids aka "Our Gang" - you will see that they have to do their homework. Also you will see that they are kids much like in the West - just kids. (movie is on Netflix).
@Greenbean950 Now, now, the Athenians had slaves too - everyone did back in the day. Sparta only fell due to relentless attack by vastly superior numbers. The Athenian narrative is a bit over-rated. Pythagoras spent little time there, none after a warrant was issued for his arrest. Pythagoras ran a private school that charged fees and there was a tough entrance exam. Most of geometry comes from Pythagoras and Euclid. Greeks never went far in algebra. Roman engineers were numerous and better.
@rh001YT All interesting facts that avoid the basic question of the education systems in these states. I don't disagree with many of your video's assertions and recommendations, but it avoids basic questions that I think are more basic to the problems we are facing in education. In the USA, publicly funded compulsory education has declined for 150 years. There aren't any tinkerings to fix it. Memories of the public and the educrats are conveniently short. Many of your ideas would be...
@rh001YT adopted in a free market system as parents would pay for quality that works for their child. As children/people learn differently and have different interests and talents your ideas and others would appear where they are useful. Hundreds of thousands (if not over a million) educrats would be out of a job (I purposefully avoided work) as private schools exist fine with a fraction of the staff as public schools. The rub is always "fairness" and who pays. The current system is...
@rh001YT anything but fair. We currently produce millions of illiterate, albeit expensive high school graduates every year. That's "fair" in America these days. Absent the taxes currently used to pay for schools and the charity that would replace the current system, a student could get a much better education in a free market system. Perhaps not the 12 years of incarceration we currently mandate, but something much more useful. And, liberty would be placed at the hands of the people.
Wow! So many negative comments - I think tha's great. 6 months ago there were so many congrats to Sir Ken, always without validation. I want to encourage all who find SirKen's "perspectives" nutty to vote up other comments you like. Let's clamp down on the culture of kooks self-congradulating themselves without firm grounding. Let's promote the culture of seeing things as they are and then proposing reality-based solutions where they are needed, an not throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
I absolutley agree in Alberta in order to pass a test that's worth 50% of your final grade. Why? Most students fail these tests and then are held back from university and obtaining careers. Besides your employers do not really care whether or not you can recite every country in Asia. That is what Google is for! My bosses only care about how well I can creativly solve an array of odd problems and convince the government to give us art grants, not what math I learned in school.
The broad statement by Robinson "that every country on earth is reforming" is a furphy. Many countries of the world cannot afford to run a western education system, or if they do, its only available to the elite. And some first world nations have minorities (such as in Australia) whose access and participation in public education is only a recent development.
@seanypatpatterson Hi! while I get your drift, like ihsdeathshadow I do smell, in Sir Kens presentation, a call not for less gov control in schools, but more gov control to enforce a chaos of ill-prepared "individuals" who will then be easier to control for "progressive" purposes. He did not call for gov to get out of schooling. With less structure teachers can be more lazy, and students as well, as we saw in the USA 1975 to present.
this video is awesome and Ken, you should run education rather than the dumb dumbs who are doing so at the moment. As a primary teacher it is heart-breaking watching fantastic kids be stunted and undermined as they are at the moment. Pink Flloyd had a point.
Wow this is the first time I have seen my idea about AD(H)D, which my daughter is diagnosed with too, put into words (and picture). I so totally agree on this outside pressure for meeting a standard, totally fucks up so many people. Not only ADHD people but also the ones who drop out of school, are stuck in social security system, get depressed. I think they are all lost because of the pressure of what everybody is expecting from them instead of looking inside, finding their talent and go for it
I'm not completely with the collaboration v. individualism part at 10:55. Judging people collectively is one of the major problems of modern education. Earlier he talks about the norm and all of the students growing collectively to the model but then later sort of contradicts that principle with the collaboration stuff.
I always thought that about ADHD. We surround ourselves with constant connectivity and instantaneous cognitive stimulation that hasn't been earned but simply given to us. If we continue to set this as the foundation of how we function then it will have a definite change of the classroom or everyday education.
I really like this video and the points, remember we must take this video and think about it. Does our system work? Would their system work? Does it only seem like their system will work because of the biased information given to us by the person who thought of it and is in favor of it? Multiple questions, for multiple answers.
Also, abstract thinking can't be done by everyone, some people can't do it. Some people can't do Algebra I because they can't "comprehend" it and that's very abstract.
@mufred I'm just posing questions that viewers should think about before using this video as an argument of "This school system sucks and is flawed and here's a better one" to "prove" they shouldn't participate in school. Also, the last question is there to let people know that this argument is in fact biased and that is a limitation on it's part, it would obviously take out any arguments posed against it and not inform you on them to make this idea better. Did that clarify it?
so much of this video resonantes with me as i question whether being in college is beneficial at all to my personal growth. turns out, it's actually harmful.
As a student in high school I can say that this is for the most part completely correct. Its funny that I was able to learn a subject like Computer Science with ease because of how much I had an interest in it versus something like English Class, where I just work tirelessly for a good mark.
Currently in my 11th and final year of mandatory education in the UK and might I say it has only caused me to bitterly hate the current society, and how if you are a defective and in the colony you will be buried amongst other defective ants... I am a cynicist at age 16, any thoughts... Oh and since my 9th year of mandatory education I have contemplated suicide. FOR THE COLONY!
The way I see it science and math are two subjects which need no humans to teach it. Those two subjects are pure factual information so to understand the subject computers are all that we need. Applying those however may need teachers to be present so that no explosions occur with chemistry labs or collisions during a physics cannon test. The other part that will aid kids with not having a teacher during the factual teaching will be that personalities won't clash and lack of staff won't matter.
@TheBrooklynBaZooka Hi! I think you are not getting a very good education, cuz in fact science & math are not purely factual. Math is based on axioms which are not facts - they are unprovable. Theorems are proved back to the axioms. Science requires insight to see the inner workings and how to attach math to them. Such teaching requires a teacher to help students over conceptual humps, so the teacher's teaching is a bit different from semester to semester depending on the students blockages.
I shared this video with everyone I think would actually watch it! I also shared it on all my social media profiles! Really enjoyed the logic and yes I agree!
Combine this with Andrew Coulson's book, "Market Education" - adds a great history of public funded compulsory vs free market education. Compulsory public education was used by Sparta to create a warrior society. Athens used a free market education to create the most advanced society to that point in history. Coulson also adds references to Spartan and Prussian education models used by public education proponents in the US in the mid-19th century and the aspect of controlling Irish Catholics.
@Greenbean950 Hi! I support a compulsory edu system of free-market schools with a minimum syllabus requred of all. May I say your take on Athens vs Sparta is not complete. Athens came to be an agressor w/ mercenary armies funded by sea-trade. Sparta did not have port. Sparta mostly wanted to be left alone. They battled well and valiantly against much larger forces. Athens fell rather easily to the Romans - if they had been Spartans, perhaps they would not have fallen. & don't forget the Hindus.
Check out this blog that I found about creativity. It's nice how people keep expressing themselves about this stuff. go to:creativitytalk.blogspot.com
n that fear being the total loss of projected power which is a concept young people r realising is not a singular thing 4 only a set group of privileged people it is a dynamic concept we all have......, What young people today r doing is sourcing how they feel, want or need they should be expressing that power. N with all the freedom they hv today will continue 2 do so by what ever means necessary as they hv convinced themselves if anything is to be done it will have be done by them selves.
you me and our children. as they now recognise that the structure in place is on its knees, will collapse and if the group think 0f society prevails as the same as today then turn on them out of fear.
which are the creation of. therefore let us delebretar on how all our skills combined as a collective can be untilised and capilised for the benefit of the social ecconomy as the road of the out of date intelectual educational model of social productivity has failed
education is 2 empower and 2 uplift individuals 2 find their true self n potentials of that self. Now we r all individual thus, have different skills be them social, pratical or theoritical what we should be considering in my humble oppoinion, is that fact and that people are who they are and have different levels of evolving so as much as we might want an individual to be a certain way the fact of nature is that this is not possible it is not in the design of nature which are the creation of
We hear a lot about 'drop-outs': so much, in fact, that the people who talk about them have effectively attained their objective--to prevent us having the time to ask what it was that such people were ever in.
Our daughter will NOT be a part of the public indoctrination system. In fact, she will have much more than a college education by the time we're done with her, taught to use her brain in ways that schools fail to.
Outside the classroom, copying is not called "collaboration", it's called "plagiarism" or "copyright theft". Group work is more like collaboration, and teachers like me encourage so called copying in that type of work. It's when those students immediately reach for something to pass off as their own when asked to do something original that we have a problem.
@goldrunt lets look at this in a history lesson context. what is plagiarism? because when you are telling a kid to write about Alexander the Great isn't the child just plagiarizing from historical sources?
but if you look at in a writing lesson stance and you tell them to write a short story then inst collaboration better? I guess what I'm asking is. Is their any subject you can tell me where plagiarism can be considered cheating? if it can be told with group work or historical work.
Poor diet (high in sugar and processed foods) and lack of exercise are likely causes for hyperactivity and ADHD (hence over-prescribing of prescription drugs like Ritalin). Seems to be obvious culprits.
"Oh," I say, "you *do*? Then no *wonder* I can catch up with you so fast after you've had four years of biology." They had wasted all their time memorizing stuff like that, when it could be looked up in fifteen minutes.”
“A society's competitive advantage will come not from how well its schools teach the multiplication and periodic tables, but from how well they stimulate imagination and creativity.”
For Einstein that might be true. He liked to learn. Probably everyone that watches this video likes to learn (It is a lecture that we're watching in our free time), but most people don't like to learn.
Do you have any thoughts of your own, or do you just quote others? The fact that a person says something does not make it inerrant. That is obviously false. It sounds deep and all, but when you think about it, ignorance is not something that can be imposed. It is either the lack of teaching at all, or the choice of the student.
@7Gus if you are wondering why people are eating it up it's because most people realize that there are real problems with the school system. It's nice to know that not everyone is turning a blind eye.
I love that image at 04:54 . Just feels so relevant to me atm. Perhaps the knowledge could be interesting, but I'm being force fed it at a pace which is higher than before in my schooling and it's being put forward in the most dull fashion possible. And then, after seeing my grades suffer as a result of my lack of interest and therefore ability to do well, I feel inadequate and demoralised and lose sight of my other talents. Besides, with the amount of work there is, there's no time for talent!
Not sure I agree with his assertion that we have to increase working in groups versus focusing on individuals. I think both is necessary. I know that in school when we were put into groups it caused some of us to do more of the work to make up for the slack.
Yes, but his final summary contradicts his first point, where he says that some should learn alone.
Furthermore, I currently have a class that is a group learning type of class, and sure enough, some kids like it better that way. However, the vast majority, while learning the material, could have learned it at least 5 times faster.
You may consider that a hyperbole, but it is a physics class, and we couldn't say the word "force" until we learned about it... 4 months in...
I think what he means by the collaboration and groups he means different types of learning
such as grouping them more into if they like large, medium, small groups, or alone and being able to properly teach at the level that the person needs to be taught at instead of a serial, lump sum, education system
The problem with that is that if you like to learn alone, you will still have to work with others (in virtually all jobs) in the real world, except you won't have the skills to do so. You would not have any social skills, or at least not fully developed ones.
If you like to learn in groups, them the 20-80 principle applies (20% of the people do 80% of the work), and you won't be able to work alone.
This was just pure rhetoric, and sounds good. But in practice, it is impossible.
@pngwn56 that is not true at all. perhaps in a few jobs but most jobs require you to work alone or do projects that might have nothing to do with another employee. and also this is based off of the presumption we put the kids that like to LEARN alone in some metal box where they aren't allowed to talk to people for their learning years.
but that's just not true because even kids who like to be alone will still communicate and try to make friends outside school or during breaks.
Most jobs may require you to work alone at some points, and together at others you need to work together, or with customers.
The point is that if you only work alone, you will be excessively socially awkward. Social skills are some of the most important skills you learn in school. And yes, they may still make friends outside of school and during breaks, but that is ~6 hours less per day of social conditioning that others are receiving, that that person will not receive.
@pngwn56 what are you talking about? so social skills are worth more than actual knowledge? NO if someone dosent like learning or talking to people guess what? THEY WILL NOT. no matter how much you try and force someone it will not help them and can actually make situations worse (ever heard of bullying?)
your argument is that it will make the kids who dislike contact with people not like to work with people. but they ALREADY dont like to work with people.
Absolutely social skills are worth more than actual knowledge. A social person who has little education will beat a college educated person who doesn't speak in an interview every time.
Of course they already don't like to work with people. How could it work any other way? That is like saying, "They are ALREADY uneducated therefore we should not try to educate them."
And yes, it may lead to bullying, but we should be trying to stop the bullying, not stop the social situation...
@pngwn56 this is not the same as teaching a person to read and write. which BTW people can still have trouble with. but your plan is basically. they COULD learn and be able to learn how to handle themselves OR we could force them to do something that they are not only not comfortable but are opposed to it. just because we think that how they should act and they are not allowed to break from the assembly line.
@pngwn56 actually you know what. you are only continuing the current system resisting change because what you are proposing is the EXACT SAME THING. actually think outside the little box you were taught in.
I had a friend like you once. he kept saying the education system was crap but if anybody tried to propose a system besides what he was taught in he would start yelling that it was crap. so he admitted that the system was crap but didn't want to change.
When I say that the way that you are trying to change the system is faulty, it does not mean that ANY proposition to change it is faulty. "That's the current system" is not a counterargument. It is a statement.
In short, I am saying that the current system is far from perfect, but changing everything wouldn't work. The some-teamwork, some-indivdual system doesn't need chaning, which you have failed to refute.
Also, I'm not that friend of yours, so bringing him up is moot.
you have said NOTHING about changing the current system all you have said is "if we change it the socailly awkward kids will stay socially akward so we must force them to conform to a factory education model." all you have proposed is changing the factory lines a little bitbut not fixing the root problem.
and that is the cookie cutter factory production line output education that is failing.
@pngwn56 I didnt like working with people during school. projects were almost always things that I did alone and making me work in groups made my work deteriorate and made me more socially awkward. and the ONLY time my social skills improved was when I was allowed to go at them at my own pace instead of being thrown in a group.
your basically saying we should force kids to conform to what we decide is how they should act. so your basically being part of the problem hes talking about.
No... That would be the position of someone who wanted to put kids in groups all the time. I never said that. In fact, that would be closer to the solution presented in this video. I doubt that it hurt your social skills more than ~6 hours a day of complete solitary work.
I say that kids should sometimes work in groups, sometimes alone, and sometimes as a class.
@pngwn56 Really? First of all, remember most home schooling families have at least 3-4 kids. They're in no way working 'alone', but actually learning how to interact with different age groups. Also, many home school families get together regularly for group learning sessions and field trips. These kids get many chances to socialize, and often with far better company than the brats who abuse teaches because there's no discipline allowed at public schools.
Maybe sometimes they have 3-4 kids, but they are working on different things. Other times, its only 1 kid.
"Many" and "regularly" do not trump "all" and "every weekday."
Your point about "brats" would be no more or less true with home schooled children. In my school, there are very few "brats" and when they are there, we ignore them. No one wants to socialize with a brat, and so we don't. We socialize with others who are like us, and who we like, not with people we hate.
@TheKeeper007 Google it :). There is probably a fiel converter for that somewhere online. If not, then it may alreasy be a built in feature of a programme that you already own.
@Halsafar Not true, a lot of people drop of school and they might not have carreers but that definetly doesnt mean they are less socially capable than a person who went to school or not cope with real life. Also that is just the status quo, even if it was needed it could still need change .
Some relevant points. But overly simplistic, filled with strawman arguments, and no solutions provided (in this RSA, anyway). People seem to be eating it up though... perhaps it's the "Sir" accompanying his name? He's an authority figure AND anti-establishment! That's good enough for a free pass for most people.
@7Gus true. exactly what i thought when i first saw this.
the irony is that he wants people to be free thinkers and if you WERE a free thinker, you would question the validity of his argument and the statistics he uses instead of just lapping it up
@7Gus 11 minutes isn't enough time to go through all of the issues of our education system -and- tell us all the answers. It's simply something that needs to be addressed so we can find solutions.
"Mainstream education is ridiculous because the only motivator they have is fear. Fear of failing and not keeping up with your classmates. Intrest would create learning on a scale to fear as a nuclear bomb to a firecracker."
The premise that education is to fit young people into economies, i.e. train to work, not educate to become empowered, wise, and intelligent citizens.
Globalization is evil, because it is maximum centralization. It is easier to corrupt and control a centralized system than localized and independent systems.
When schooling is centralized, controlled, and then forced upon each individual (compulsory), then that is a recipe for pure Orwell, and no freedom. And why should people be forced to pay for such an educational system that is built for evil--instead of built, by each community independently and without funding (control) from centralized (corrupted) forces for the betterment and empowerment of the individuals willfully taking part in the educational process.
@sicjedi You have never met someone who did not go through years of "forced" education. They are both socially inept and unable to cope with basic tasks as an adult.
Obviously, this video is of very high production value: highly polished, entertaining, extremely well presented—all signs that this is from the (corrupt) Establishment, made to fool those who are not critical thinkers and who are unknowledgeable. This video is packed full of sophisticated manipulations.
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jxoqexvreksvx 5 hours ago
This is the greatest video on YouTube!
-Don Rubix
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how can we all start out as genius....i thought you have to be smarter than others to be a genius
fateplus1 12 hours ago
i suppose in a perfect world what i'd like most is a promised, free period of research, study or education that anyone could pursue at a university or college, and take up at any time. i miss academia and i wanted longer, but there are some things only a world of work and maturity can provide before you can get back into the books.
i honestly believe now if i were to go back and do an MSc/PhD in computer science, i'd make some meaningful impact on a community that i could truly be proud of.
moralreef 12 hours ago
Here is an example of an alternative teaching system. I would rather send my kids here
/watch?v=QnJFJyQg3F0
memorynuke123 1 day ago
This video made me feel a lot better about myself :)
Eelking1200 1 day ago 2
Yay for central planning :D trying to micromanage the gene pool of our school system since 1635.
JustinBurns 1 day ago
..........holy crap I am enlightened.
Titan990 1 day ago
Clever man.
benfray2 1 day ago
His british accent made me believe this even more.....
KreataMusic 2 days ago 23
2) Even the art colleges need me to score well in my secondary education which at this moment is at a failing state. Linking into point 1, our parent's expectations bring us to go through with being in school even when you can see the edge of the cliff straight ahead.... So all in all you are stuck in a dilemma where you have a gun with bullets engraved "FAIL" behind your head... and funnily enough... you cannot do anything because you are basically stuck, all because of your own downfall.
ReminentMemoirs 2 days ago
@ReminentMemoirs lol my friend we are in the same situation! i totally know how you feel.
DeSPoTNemanjaS 1 day ago
look... I really understand all this and totally agree, but the society aspects have been dug too deep into my head to even try to escape. Even now I know I do not belong to the school and the subjects I have have nothing to do with art, which I really want to do... But there are dozens of things keeping people like me in school; 1) Parents, they expect you to go to school and do well and go to college straight after. Which brings into....
ReminentMemoirs 2 days ago
wow the animation is amazing and the story too.
maestrularmelor 2 days ago
this is genius
ayman1006 2 days ago
I hate the fact that they say that one major point why we learn all those things in math is so it helps to develop our logical thinking. Why is that all my math teacher have had quite a fucked up logic?
Mcquiz91 2 days ago
@Mcquiz91 because most math teachers don't actually teach you proper maths, because they're also taught like that
a simple example, 5x5 is 25 because if there's five fives, it will equal twenty-five, This is how you teach children maths..
Now, when you reach a bit of a higher level like algebra, teachers not wanting to waste their time, will teach How to do it, not because of why it is so
fanthor 2 days ago 14
@fanthor You make a very good point.
thestrangeblue 17 hours ago
i feel like anyone who gave this the thumbs down were aiming for the like button and missed
cash2chronic 2 days ago 2
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chloesherry99 2 days ago
I don't think I could agree more
CrzyEX 2 days ago
I would like to have a forum or a form to discuss forms of education and how to improve the existing system. Anybody here hints for that?
pwahlmueller 3 days ago
@pwahlmueller i worked out a perfect working school system in my mind that don't work with classes and failing your year becasue of some lessons, but focuses on the lessons you want to have, you start doing math 1, french 1 english 1 in the first year and you fail french so next year you do math 2, french 1 again and english 2 or you lost interest in french and choose's to do math 2 english 2 and drawing 1 in your second year. (sorry for bad english)
Wolvus1 2 days ago
Continuation: Compulsory education? How can a society based on liberty exist when its people are forced to participate in anything? If people are free, then they must be able to choose education in its entirety. That means as much or as little, where and when, and how. Any arguments that we "need" an educated society are simply based on the busybody syndrome. What invariably follows is a list of reasons why the govt must use force. Let people make their own decisions and live with the results.
Greenbean950 3 days ago
Response to rh001YT (to Greenbean950). Understand military history of Sparta/Athens. How does this affect the fact that the Spartans were illiterate and Athenians were one of the most educated society in all of history? Sparta also existed on the brutal treatment of their slaves. Their society collapsed mostly from internal rot... so what? The Spartans were still illiterate because of their ed system.
You mention "Hindus". Please expound. I am researching education and would love to read more.
Greenbean950 3 days ago
@Greenbean950 Because trade btwn Europe and India was dangerous the two civilizations evolved mostly unknown to each other. Hindu math & astrology were on par with Greece. Hindus invented "0" long before Europeans. "Algebra" reached Europe from a man in N. Africa named Al Gebra, who learned from Hindu texts passed to Ethopia. Hindus have kept a calendar since about 4000BC. India or Indus, had formal schools, but only for Brahmin. They were warriors and traders. Hinduism reached to Cambodia.
rh001YT 1 day ago
@rh001YT ...I meant to say the Indus were also warriors and traders - the Brahmin were the ruling elite & scholars. Sanskrit is as well developed as Latin, so a bit better than Greek as far back as when Alexander tried to invade India. Music was more developed in India than in the fabled Greece - more notes & scales. Though the masses were mostly illiterate they resisted invasions until the Mughal period, however the southern half of India (Tamil Nadu, Kerala, etc) never fell to the Mughals.
rh001YT 1 day ago
@rh001YT Oh, and I forgot to mention that Hindus invented negative numbers way before Europeans. It is said that the negative numbers were created to keep track of debts. So it is probably true that Hindus already had, for thousands of years, the present day accounting system which in the West is attributed to Paccioli. Of course they did not invent "democracy" - that would go against the caste system. Still it seems they would have comprehended it in order to prevent it. Aryan rule held sway.
rh001YT 1 day ago
@rh001YT I have only a limited familiarity of the Indian/South Central Asian history. Do you have any resources to recommend for their education systems?
Greenbean950 1 day ago
@Greenbean950 To research education in India try these google or youtube keywords: "St. Xavier India" "Montessori India" "Don Bosco India" "Catholic schools in India" "Kalinga Instutute of Social Sciences" "Kalinga Institute of Information Technology" "The Doon School" "India Right to Education Act" "Brahmin educatiion". The Catholic/Christian schools teach more Hindu students than their own. Pulbic Schools in India are actually Hindu. All K-12 public or private begin the day with a prayer.
rh001YT 8 hours ago
@rh001YT also "Indira Gandhi Open University" "Loretto School" (at Loretto, older girls teach/tutor the younger ones) "rural education India" ...the rural education tends to be quite lackluster. Also "ndtv marks for sports". The Indian government has invented a slimmed down ipad thingy which it claims will be given to all K-12 students. A couple years back India refused to endorse the super-low cost laptop for 3rd worlders program cuz it was too limited.
rh001YT 8 hours ago
@rh001YT Also, look into "student suicide India" many parents do push their kids too hard. And for a tangental perspective, view the hit movie "Chillar Party" (Hindi withe English subtitles) This is a G rated flick centering around some urban kids aka "Our Gang" - you will see that they have to do their homework. Also you will see that they are kids much like in the West - just kids. (movie is on Netflix).
rh001YT 7 hours ago
@Greenbean950 Now, now, the Athenians had slaves too - everyone did back in the day. Sparta only fell due to relentless attack by vastly superior numbers. The Athenian narrative is a bit over-rated. Pythagoras spent little time there, none after a warrant was issued for his arrest. Pythagoras ran a private school that charged fees and there was a tough entrance exam. Most of geometry comes from Pythagoras and Euclid. Greeks never went far in algebra. Roman engineers were numerous and better.
rh001YT 1 day ago
@rh001YT All interesting facts that avoid the basic question of the education systems in these states. I don't disagree with many of your video's assertions and recommendations, but it avoids basic questions that I think are more basic to the problems we are facing in education. In the USA, publicly funded compulsory education has declined for 150 years. There aren't any tinkerings to fix it. Memories of the public and the educrats are conveniently short. Many of your ideas would be...
Greenbean950 1 day ago
@rh001YT adopted in a free market system as parents would pay for quality that works for their child. As children/people learn differently and have different interests and talents your ideas and others would appear where they are useful. Hundreds of thousands (if not over a million) educrats would be out of a job (I purposefully avoided work) as private schools exist fine with a fraction of the staff as public schools. The rub is always "fairness" and who pays. The current system is...
Greenbean950 1 day ago
@rh001YT anything but fair. We currently produce millions of illiterate, albeit expensive high school graduates every year. That's "fair" in America these days. Absent the taxes currently used to pay for schools and the charity that would replace the current system, a student could get a much better education in a free market system. Perhaps not the 12 years of incarceration we currently mandate, but something much more useful. And, liberty would be placed at the hands of the people.
Greenbean950 1 day ago
Wow! So many negative comments - I think tha's great. 6 months ago there were so many congrats to Sir Ken, always without validation. I want to encourage all who find SirKen's "perspectives" nutty to vote up other comments you like. Let's clamp down on the culture of kooks self-congradulating themselves without firm grounding. Let's promote the culture of seeing things as they are and then proposing reality-based solutions where they are needed, an not throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
rh001YT 3 days ago
I absolutley agree in Alberta in order to pass a test that's worth 50% of your final grade. Why? Most students fail these tests and then are held back from university and obtaining careers. Besides your employers do not really care whether or not you can recite every country in Asia. That is what Google is for! My bosses only care about how well I can creativly solve an array of odd problems and convince the government to give us art grants, not what math I learned in school.
lovesickunicorns 3 days ago
The broad statement by Robinson "that every country on earth is reforming" is a furphy. Many countries of the world cannot afford to run a western education system, or if they do, its only available to the elite. And some first world nations have minorities (such as in Australia) whose access and participation in public education is only a recent development.
Gunnabee 3 days ago
That map is so disproportionate.. New England looks like an alien with a robe on
iParadisco 3 days ago
Yes I agree!
SpicyHam 3 days ago
@hyphz Your argument is invalid.
Starfallist 4 days ago
Mumbo jumbpo.
ckairnes68 5 days ago
You are a legend for making this video
JaksonAxeson 5 days ago
@ mjgul70 lol YOUR idea about ADHD huh?
84eisoj 5 days ago
@84eisoj
You have to connect the @ sign with the name or else the youtube system doesn't recognize it.
pngwn56 4 days ago
Great video. Unfortunate that they don't draw up a solution
sebcastilho 6 days ago
@sebcastilho
It is easier to complaint than to actually solve something.
pngwn56 4 days ago 2
Let's try the high road. change dot org/petitions/call-to-adopt-an-american-declaration-and-education-bill-of-rights
papertalker 6 days ago
317 Greedy, Entitled, Tenured, Communist, Union Teachers didn't like this video...
seanypatpatterson 1 week ago
@seanypatpatterson looks like rush limbaugh made another alt...
PadawanPhil 6 days ago
@seanypatpatterson If anything, this video goes against capitalist ideals. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
lhsdeathshadow 6 days ago
@seanypatpatterson Hi! while I get your drift, like ihsdeathshadow I do smell, in Sir Kens presentation, a call not for less gov control in schools, but more gov control to enforce a chaos of ill-prepared "individuals" who will then be easier to control for "progressive" purposes. He did not call for gov to get out of schooling. With less structure teachers can be more lazy, and students as well, as we saw in the USA 1975 to present.
rh001YT 3 days ago
My parents ruined my mind; and listening to the lead singer of a failed band.
ZachAttack938 1 week ago
this video is awesome and Ken, you should run education rather than the dumb dumbs who are doing so at the moment. As a primary teacher it is heart-breaking watching fantastic kids be stunted and undermined as they are at the moment. Pink Flloyd had a point.
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JuneJuly145 1 week ago
Wow this is the first time I have seen my idea about AD(H)D, which my daughter is diagnosed with too, put into words (and picture). I so totally agree on this outside pressure for meeting a standard, totally fucks up so many people. Not only ADHD people but also the ones who drop out of school, are stuck in social security system, get depressed. I think they are all lost because of the pressure of what everybody is expecting from them instead of looking inside, finding their talent and go for it
mjgul70 1 week ago
@fo13ulous I've never shitted you, a shit has more credibility, youre just a courtesy flush.
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BRAVO!! and Many Thanks!>. May All Educators and Administrators, Parents and Students take this in.... Time to Change is NOW...
mearthy 1 week ago
I'm not completely with the collaboration v. individualism part at 10:55. Judging people collectively is one of the major problems of modern education. Earlier he talks about the norm and all of the students growing collectively to the model but then later sort of contradicts that principle with the collaboration stuff.
THERepublic1971 1 week ago
I always thought that about ADHD. We surround ourselves with constant connectivity and instantaneous cognitive stimulation that hasn't been earned but simply given to us. If we continue to set this as the foundation of how we function then it will have a definite change of the classroom or everyday education.
THERepublic1971 1 week ago
thumbs up if your adhd
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ydih0yg7h1l 1 week ago
We just watched that at school. Ironic, right?
01benkenobi 1 week ago
Institutionalized------------->
What are you tryin' to say, that I'm crazy!?
When I went to your schools!
I went to your churches!
I went to your institutional learning facilities!
So how can you say that I'm crazy!
...All I wanted was a Pepsi. Just one Pepsi and she wouldn't give it to me! Just one Pepsi! (;
bozolazic 1 week ago
Wow! another great logical thinker and speaker. Check out the zeitgeist movement for more of this people!
TheBrazilianPrince 1 week ago
@TheBrazilianPrince zeitgeist. you're shitting me. You must be 13.
fo13ulous 1 week ago
my economics teacher showed me these videos, now im addicited.
Canawiwi 1 week ago
It makes so much sense, but the system still won't listen..
ringalingding408 1 week ago
I can truly say , being a teenager myself, this man has spoken the most sense i have ever heard in my life!!
loptopfloppi 1 week ago 3
best part starts from 6:45 thumbs up for yes
facebook9693 1 week ago
The whole time I was watching these the only think that came into my mind is "Why can't I draw as great as he does!"
Everything else was just blah blah blah blah
Chesteridis 1 week ago
ughhhh my ears *shiver* like nails on a chalkboard omg where's my paper bag
Rikiwizard 1 week ago
I really like this video and the points, remember we must take this video and think about it. Does our system work? Would their system work? Does it only seem like their system will work because of the biased information given to us by the person who thought of it and is in favor of it? Multiple questions, for multiple answers.
Also, abstract thinking can't be done by everyone, some people can't do it. Some people can't do Algebra I because they can't "comprehend" it and that's very abstract.
Jokuki9 1 week ago 26
@Jokuki9 what are you saying?
mufred 6 days ago
@mufred I'm just posing questions that viewers should think about before using this video as an argument of "This school system sucks and is flawed and here's a better one" to "prove" they shouldn't participate in school. Also, the last question is there to let people know that this argument is in fact biased and that is a limitation on it's part, it would obviously take out any arguments posed against it and not inform you on them to make this idea better. Did that clarify it?
Jokuki9 5 days ago
@Jokuki9 those who can't do it, isn't it because they went to school?...
lollipawnzor 1 day ago
I feel like school has ruined my mind. ;_;
bledevik 1 week ago 90
@bledevik not to mention heart and soul
zebedeewest 1 week ago
@bledevik i definitely feel like i could have grown alot more in a different system. especially here in good old georgia
awindinthedoor 1 week ago
@bledevik don't worry, think for yourself, question authority and make yourself into who you want to be.
supadox 5 days ago
@bledevik I believe your thinking of spending too much time on the internet instead good sir.
NewYorkComedian 3 days ago
@bledevik now you can rebuild it cause you know what has happened
XDevilsBrotherX 2 days ago
Public school erases the creative process.
binkyholder 1 week ago 2
so much of this video resonantes with me as i question whether being in college is beneficial at all to my personal growth. turns out, it's actually harmful.
marinocommapaul 1 week ago 3
As a student in high school I can say that this is for the most part completely correct. Its funny that I was able to learn a subject like Computer Science with ease because of how much I had an interest in it versus something like English Class, where I just work tirelessly for a good mark.
NineLivesProductions 1 week ago 3
Currently in my 11th and final year of mandatory education in the UK and might I say it has only caused me to bitterly hate the current society, and how if you are a defective and in the colony you will be buried amongst other defective ants... I am a cynicist at age 16, any thoughts... Oh and since my 9th year of mandatory education I have contemplated suicide. FOR THE COLONY!
chill579 1 week ago
Every time I hear Ken Robinson speak I have a little bit of faith restored in my person.
fauxman 1 week ago 4
The way I see it science and math are two subjects which need no humans to teach it. Those two subjects are pure factual information so to understand the subject computers are all that we need. Applying those however may need teachers to be present so that no explosions occur with chemistry labs or collisions during a physics cannon test. The other part that will aid kids with not having a teacher during the factual teaching will be that personalities won't clash and lack of staff won't matter.
TheBrooklynBaZooka 1 week ago
@TheBrooklynBaZooka Hi! I think you are not getting a very good education, cuz in fact science & math are not purely factual. Math is based on axioms which are not facts - they are unprovable. Theorems are proved back to the axioms. Science requires insight to see the inner workings and how to attach math to them. Such teaching requires a teacher to help students over conceptual humps, so the teacher's teaching is a bit different from semester to semester depending on the students blockages.
rh001YT 3 days ago
“Study hard what interests you the most in the most undisciplined, irreverent and original manner possible.”
― Richard P. Feynman
bozolazic 1 week ago
Very Interesting perspective...
TheScubaGal 1 week ago
I shared this video with everyone I think would actually watch it! I also shared it on all my social media profiles! Really enjoyed the logic and yes I agree!
cre8ivejg1 1 week ago
Combine this with Andrew Coulson's book, "Market Education" - adds a great history of public funded compulsory vs free market education. Compulsory public education was used by Sparta to create a warrior society. Athens used a free market education to create the most advanced society to that point in history. Coulson also adds references to Spartan and Prussian education models used by public education proponents in the US in the mid-19th century and the aspect of controlling Irish Catholics.
Greenbean950 1 week ago
@Greenbean950 Hi! I support a compulsory edu system of free-market schools with a minimum syllabus requred of all. May I say your take on Athens vs Sparta is not complete. Athens came to be an agressor w/ mercenary armies funded by sea-trade. Sparta did not have port. Sparta mostly wanted to be left alone. They battled well and valiantly against much larger forces. Athens fell rather easily to the Romans - if they had been Spartans, perhaps they would not have fallen. & don't forget the Hindus.
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fstavr 1 week ago
n that fear being the total loss of projected power which is a concept young people r realising is not a singular thing 4 only a set group of privileged people it is a dynamic concept we all have......, What young people today r doing is sourcing how they feel, want or need they should be expressing that power. N with all the freedom they hv today will continue 2 do so by what ever means necessary as they hv convinced themselves if anything is to be done it will have be done by them selves.
fubor100 1 week ago
you me and our children. as they now recognise that the structure in place is on its knees, will collapse and if the group think 0f society prevails as the same as today then turn on them out of fear.
fubor100 1 week ago
which are the creation of. therefore let us delebretar on how all our skills combined as a collective can be untilised and capilised for the benefit of the social ecconomy as the road of the out of date intelectual educational model of social productivity has failed
fubor100 1 week ago
education is 2 empower and 2 uplift individuals 2 find their true self n potentials of that self. Now we r all individual thus, have different skills be them social, pratical or theoritical what we should be considering in my humble oppoinion, is that fact and that people are who they are and have different levels of evolving so as much as we might want an individual to be a certain way the fact of nature is that this is not possible it is not in the design of nature which are the creation of
fubor100 1 week ago
I hate how more and more education is the "answer"
ps3xpert 1 week ago
We hear a lot about 'drop-outs': so much, in fact, that the people who talk about them have effectively attained their objective--to prevent us having the time to ask what it was that such people were ever in.
bozolazic 1 week ago
Our daughter will NOT be a part of the public indoctrination system. In fact, she will have much more than a college education by the time we're done with her, taught to use her brain in ways that schools fail to.
osirusoft1 1 week ago
Outside the classroom, copying is not called "collaboration", it's called "plagiarism" or "copyright theft". Group work is more like collaboration, and teachers like me encourage so called copying in that type of work. It's when those students immediately reach for something to pass off as their own when asked to do something original that we have a problem.
goldrunt 1 week ago
@goldrunt lets look at this in a history lesson context. what is plagiarism? because when you are telling a kid to write about Alexander the Great isn't the child just plagiarizing from historical sources?
but if you look at in a writing lesson stance and you tell them to write a short story then inst collaboration better? I guess what I'm asking is. Is their any subject you can tell me where plagiarism can be considered cheating? if it can be told with group work or historical work.
alex134219 1 week ago
Poor diet (high in sugar and processed foods) and lack of exercise are likely causes for hyperactivity and ADHD (hence over-prescribing of prescription drugs like Ritalin). Seems to be obvious culprits.
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"Oh," I say, "you *do*? Then no *wonder* I can catch up with you so fast after you've had four years of biology." They had wasted all their time memorizing stuff like that, when it could be looked up in fifteen minutes.”
― Richard P. Feynman
bozolazic 1 week ago
“A society's competitive advantage will come not from how well its schools teach the multiplication and periodic tables, but from how well they stimulate imagination and creativity.”
― Albert Einstein
bozolazic 1 week ago
@bozolazic
Einstein was a socially awkward physicist, who couldn't relate to average people. I doubt he was qualified to speak on matters of public education.
pngwn56 1 week ago
@pngwn56 “The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.”
― Albert Einstein
bozolazic 1 week ago
@bozolazic
For Einstein that might be true. He liked to learn. Probably everyone that watches this video likes to learn (It is a lecture that we're watching in our free time), but most people don't like to learn.
pngwn56 1 week ago
@pngwn56 They don't like to learn because they don't know how to teach everybody.
Education is a system of imposed ignorance.
---Noam Chomsky
How I wish that I knew whom Noam Chomsky was when I was in school.I would have been kicked out of school for a different reason.
bozolazic 1 week ago
@bozolazic
Do you have any thoughts of your own, or do you just quote others? The fact that a person says something does not make it inerrant. That is obviously false. It sounds deep and all, but when you think about it, ignorance is not something that can be imposed. It is either the lack of teaching at all, or the choice of the student.
pngwn56 1 week ago
@pngwn56 What they taught me at Catholic school was imposed ignorance.
What they taught me in history class was imposed ignorance.
What they taught me about Anarchism was imposed ignorance.
What they did not teach me about drugs was imposed ignorance.
Here's a thought: Form time to time ponder whether you are unconsciously saying:'Truth is what I happen to be thinking at this moment.'
It's good for you.
bozolazic 1 week ago
@7Gus if you are wondering why people are eating it up it's because most people realize that there are real problems with the school system. It's nice to know that not everyone is turning a blind eye.
bluebatteries08 1 week ago
I love that image at 04:54 . Just feels so relevant to me atm. Perhaps the knowledge could be interesting, but I'm being force fed it at a pace which is higher than before in my schooling and it's being put forward in the most dull fashion possible. And then, after seeing my grades suffer as a result of my lack of interest and therefore ability to do well, I feel inadequate and demoralised and lose sight of my other talents. Besides, with the amount of work there is, there's no time for talent!
tarkinfish 1 week ago 2
Not sure I agree with his assertion that we have to increase working in groups versus focusing on individuals. I think both is necessary. I know that in school when we were put into groups it caused some of us to do more of the work to make up for the slack.
peteraarontaylor 1 week ago
@peteraarontaylor Absolutely!
Mirandalavie 1 week ago
@peteraarontaylor he never says JUST big groups. He aslo states that some people even like to learn alone.
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@alex134219
Yes, but his final summary contradicts his first point, where he says that some should learn alone.
Furthermore, I currently have a class that is a group learning type of class, and sure enough, some kids like it better that way. However, the vast majority, while learning the material, could have learned it at least 5 times faster.
You may consider that a hyperbole, but it is a physics class, and we couldn't say the word "force" until we learned about it... 4 months in...
pngwn56 1 week ago
@pngwn56 I think you are taking it to literally
I think what he means by the collaboration and groups he means different types of learning
such as grouping them more into if they like large, medium, small groups, or alone and being able to properly teach at the level that the person needs to be taught at instead of a serial, lump sum, education system
alex134219 1 week ago
@alex134219
The problem with that is that if you like to learn alone, you will still have to work with others (in virtually all jobs) in the real world, except you won't have the skills to do so. You would not have any social skills, or at least not fully developed ones.
If you like to learn in groups, them the 20-80 principle applies (20% of the people do 80% of the work), and you won't be able to work alone.
This was just pure rhetoric, and sounds good. But in practice, it is impossible.
pngwn56 1 week ago
@pngwn56 that is not true at all. perhaps in a few jobs but most jobs require you to work alone or do projects that might have nothing to do with another employee. and also this is based off of the presumption we put the kids that like to LEARN alone in some metal box where they aren't allowed to talk to people for their learning years.
but that's just not true because even kids who like to be alone will still communicate and try to make friends outside school or during breaks.
alex134219 1 week ago
@alex134219
Most jobs may require you to work alone at some points, and together at others you need to work together, or with customers.
The point is that if you only work alone, you will be excessively socially awkward. Social skills are some of the most important skills you learn in school. And yes, they may still make friends outside of school and during breaks, but that is ~6 hours less per day of social conditioning that others are receiving, that that person will not receive.
pngwn56 1 week ago
@pngwn56 what are you talking about? so social skills are worth more than actual knowledge? NO if someone dosent like learning or talking to people guess what? THEY WILL NOT. no matter how much you try and force someone it will not help them and can actually make situations worse (ever heard of bullying?)
your argument is that it will make the kids who dislike contact with people not like to work with people. but they ALREADY dont like to work with people.
alex134219 1 week ago
@alex134219
Absolutely social skills are worth more than actual knowledge. A social person who has little education will beat a college educated person who doesn't speak in an interview every time.
Of course they already don't like to work with people. How could it work any other way? That is like saying, "They are ALREADY uneducated therefore we should not try to educate them."
And yes, it may lead to bullying, but we should be trying to stop the bullying, not stop the social situation...
pngwn56 1 week ago
@pngwn56 this is not the same as teaching a person to read and write. which BTW people can still have trouble with. but your plan is basically. they COULD learn and be able to learn how to handle themselves OR we could force them to do something that they are not only not comfortable but are opposed to it. just because we think that how they should act and they are not allowed to break from the assembly line.
alex134219 1 week ago
@pngwn56 actually you know what. you are only continuing the current system resisting change because what you are proposing is the EXACT SAME THING. actually think outside the little box you were taught in.
I had a friend like you once. he kept saying the education system was crap but if anybody tried to propose a system besides what he was taught in he would start yelling that it was crap. so he admitted that the system was crap but didn't want to change.
alex134219 1 week ago
@alex134219
When I say that the way that you are trying to change the system is faulty, it does not mean that ANY proposition to change it is faulty. "That's the current system" is not a counterargument. It is a statement.
In short, I am saying that the current system is far from perfect, but changing everything wouldn't work. The some-teamwork, some-indivdual system doesn't need chaning, which you have failed to refute.
Also, I'm not that friend of yours, so bringing him up is moot.
pngwn56 1 week ago
@pngwn56 ok lets see
you have said NOTHING about changing the current system all you have said is "if we change it the socailly awkward kids will stay socially akward so we must force them to conform to a factory education model." all you have proposed is changing the factory lines a little bitbut not fixing the root problem.
and that is the cookie cutter factory production line output education that is failing.
alex134219 1 week ago
@alex134219
If you use quotes, it means a direct quote. I didn't say that, so don't rephrase it and act as if I did.
You are correct, I did not propose a plan, just stated that this one is flawed.
pngwn56 1 week ago
@pngwn56 ever heard of paraphrasing? but if you want direct quotes
"You would not have any social skills, or at least not fully developed ones."
"Absolutely social skills are worth more than actual knowledge"
"A social person who has little education will beat a college educated person"
"The some-teamwork, some-indivdual system doesn't need chaning,"
if you dont see what is wrong with that then IDK what to say
alex134219 1 week ago
@alex134219
Yes, I have heard of paraphrasing, which are not supposed to be in quotes.
Obviously I don't want ONLY social skills being taught, I just think that they are very important.
pngwn56 1 week ago
@pngwn56 I didnt like working with people during school. projects were almost always things that I did alone and making me work in groups made my work deteriorate and made me more socially awkward. and the ONLY time my social skills improved was when I was allowed to go at them at my own pace instead of being thrown in a group.
your basically saying we should force kids to conform to what we decide is how they should act. so your basically being part of the problem hes talking about.
alex134219 1 week ago
@alex134219
No... That would be the position of someone who wanted to put kids in groups all the time. I never said that. In fact, that would be closer to the solution presented in this video. I doubt that it hurt your social skills more than ~6 hours a day of complete solitary work.
I say that kids should sometimes work in groups, sometimes alone, and sometimes as a class.
pngwn56 1 week ago
@pngwn56 that's the current structure of education
alex134219 1 week ago
@pngwn56 Really? First of all, remember most home schooling families have at least 3-4 kids. They're in no way working 'alone', but actually learning how to interact with different age groups. Also, many home school families get together regularly for group learning sessions and field trips. These kids get many chances to socialize, and often with far better company than the brats who abuse teaches because there's no discipline allowed at public schools.
ShortStuff2187 4 days ago
@ShortStuff2187
Maybe sometimes they have 3-4 kids, but they are working on different things. Other times, its only 1 kid.
"Many" and "regularly" do not trump "all" and "every weekday."
Your point about "brats" would be no more or less true with home schooled children. In my school, there are very few "brats" and when they are there, we ignore them. No one wants to socialize with a brat, and so we don't. We socialize with others who are like us, and who we like, not with people we hate.
pngwn56 4 days ago
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kkk191 1 week ago
hooray for lateral thinking... in groups.
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"Says everything I have ever thought about education in an eloquent way that I never could have."
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bslow22 1 week ago
Briiliant lecture! Got me thinking!
I believe virtually everthing he says!
OzzInter 1 week ago
I like your hand writing
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TheKeeper007 1 week ago
@TheKeeper007 I have the same question!
inafairysworld 1 week ago
@TheKeeper007 Google it :). There is probably a fiel converter for that somewhere online. If not, then it may alreasy be a built in feature of a programme that you already own.
tarkinfish 1 week ago
the add point is so true...
AdR3NALiNExRuSH 1 week ago
I want this image as a poster.
Aatiyah307 1 week ago
Amazing! Just... plain amazing!
MrNukedDuck 1 week ago
@Halsafar Not true, a lot of people drop of school and they might not have carreers but that definetly doesnt mean they are less socially capable than a person who went to school or not cope with real life. Also that is just the status quo, even if it was needed it could still need change .
pochopaz7381 2 weeks ago
Some relevant points. But overly simplistic, filled with strawman arguments, and no solutions provided (in this RSA, anyway). People seem to be eating it up though... perhaps it's the "Sir" accompanying his name? He's an authority figure AND anti-establishment! That's good enough for a free pass for most people.
7Gus 2 weeks ago 2
@7Gus true. exactly what i thought when i first saw this.
the irony is that he wants people to be free thinkers and if you WERE a free thinker, you would question the validity of his argument and the statistics he uses instead of just lapping it up
BohemianLeaves 1 week ago
@7Gus 11 minutes isn't enough time to go through all of the issues of our education system -and- tell us all the answers. It's simply something that needs to be addressed so we can find solutions.
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MelingCorporation 2 weeks ago
I know I can't smell his marker, but I kept feeling like I should be able to lol
mveagnadne 2 weeks ago
"Mainstream education is ridiculous because the only motivator they have is fear. Fear of failing and not keeping up with your classmates. Intrest would create learning on a scale to fear as a nuclear bomb to a firecracker."
- Stanley Kubrick
DieCupcake 2 weeks ago 37
@DieCupcake Sounds like monsters inc.
joebolo1830 1 week ago
good points i could relate and agree to this vid.
THRILLBILLYZ562 2 weeks ago
5:32, is that George Bush. If so, I love this artist.
KCPStudios 2 weeks ago
ADHD, look on naturalnews. com to see what the causes of that are...
sicjedi 2 weeks ago
This video espouses evil, based upon...
The premise that education is to fit young people into economies, i.e. train to work, not educate to become empowered, wise, and intelligent citizens.
Globalization is evil, because it is maximum centralization. It is easier to corrupt and control a centralized system than localized and independent systems.
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sicjedi 2 weeks ago
When schooling is centralized, controlled, and then forced upon each individual (compulsory), then that is a recipe for pure Orwell, and no freedom. And why should people be forced to pay for such an educational system that is built for evil--instead of built, by each community independently and without funding (control) from centralized (corrupted) forces for the betterment and empowerment of the individuals willfully taking part in the educational process.
sicjedi 2 weeks ago
@sicjedi You have never met someone who did not go through years of "forced" education. They are both socially inept and unable to cope with basic tasks as an adult.
Halsafar 2 weeks ago
Obviously, this video is of very high production value: highly polished, entertaining, extremely well presented—all signs that this is from the (corrupt) Establishment, made to fool those who are not critical thinkers and who are unknowledgeable. This video is packed full of sophisticated manipulations.
sicjedi 2 weeks ago