Noooooo!!!!. This would never happen if they actually battled. I mean, come on, two starships against 5 tiny ones!?!?!?!?! I'm a huge trekkie fan. :( This is very, very, sad. :( We laughed out heads off when it ended. If this makes no sense, you should have seen my face and reaction. Good job. :(
@EJAcademy actually it does make sense, in the words of Yoda himself "Size Matters not" at least when it comes to ships from two completely different technology bases.
@Perion Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
@EJAcademy Due to the relative age of the Republic vs the Federation. It's like a pair of 23rd century starships going up against a half dozen 271st century fighters.
@EJAcademy Your right. Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
What is truely amusing is that all throughout this entire video, is that there is plenty of material to tell the Star Trek portion of the story, and yet very little for the Star Wars portion.
Star Trek spanned 5 different series (if you count TOS-Animated), 10 feature length films from the original run, a reboot film, thousands of books, hundreds of fan fics and fan made films, all spanning 45 years. Star Wars has only 6 movies hundreds of books, and some fan fiction in 34 years of life.
@Perion Well, I'm not so sure about that. Each Star Trek film stands alone.
George Lucas decided to "redo" each of his films how many times ?
The Initial showing, then a clean up of the original, then a digital remastery, then digital "surgery" to "Improve" the films, and the list goes on. I call that "milking" or perhaps flogging a dead horse.
I also forgot to mention the animated shows "Droids" and "Ewoks" both of which only had a limited number of episodes, My bad.
@chronos1002 Not really, if he was "milking" them he would have had done far more. The animated shows are no different than the games or books really. Which people come to him for approval cause they want to do it, I hardly consider that "selling out". Would you rather he not let them?
the list goes on to one or two, in that A) he made the DVD releases (which honestly they couldn't be on VHS forever, and you might as well fix them up while you're at it.) and the upcoming 3D releases.
Which only that last one is going into dubious territories imo.
There's also the upcoming Live action TV series, set in between episodes 3 and 4, no jedi, no sith (except perhaps for Palpatine showing up on the news or whatever) just simple men, women and others trying to make their ways in the universe. carrying a similar tone as Firefly and nbsg
and the star shis in star treck have (when is a groop not alone) the same plaet eradication power as the deathstar so thaking by how much the shilds hold this x-wing should not have scratched it...
@jannikmt The only ships in Star Trek we've seen blow up a planet in group firing were 8472, and they used a special chain reaction weapon that took quite some time to actually blow up the planet, even after they stopped firing, which means that not only were they incapable of blowing up the planet via brute force, but took longer and with less violence. A planetary shield would repel such an attack easily, and destroying the central ship would stop the attack entirely.
@jannikmt The only other Fleet bombardment we saw was of a Joint Cardassian and Romulan fleet, which caused mild superficial damage no greater than what would happen if the US launched it's nukes at russia during the cold war. despite the dialogue making mistaken claims. A single ISD firing at the surface of a planet would cause 8 times the devastation of the chicxulub asteroid in one second. In one hour it would blast the atmosphere clear off the planet and reduce it's crust molten slag.
@TheMidgetwithahammer I'm not seeing reason? how is simply stating the canon tech capabilities of the respective franchises from official, relevant material NOT being reasonable? I already pointed out that you misread my statements regarding X-Wing firepower, as well as how there are allot more types of FTL in Trek than simple warp.
Seems to me that your personal incredulity to the established lore is the real problem here.
@TheMidgetwithahammer Borg would be obliterated by the Rebelion, numbers or no. As for the Rebels vs Federation, The Republic is a Capitalist Democracy, while The Federation are Socalist Communists, there is after all a precident for hostilities between those two philosophies.
@TheMidgetwithahammer Five: The Traveler and numerous other Aliens refer to "Thought is the Basis of Reality" Which is no less rediculous than the Force, and arguably more so since the Force is at least an energy field (which has some basis in say, String and it's related M Theory) and Thought and Concentration, as well as the midichlorians providing a sort of middleman/translater/powerconverter role, to change and adjust this energy field (changing the tune of the Superstrings).
@TheMidgetwithahammer There are numerous methods of FTL in Star Trek, Wormholes, Transwarp Gates, Graviton Catapults, Underspace Corridors, and Slipstream which bears a resemblence in speed, appearance and operation as a watered down hyperdrive.
Four, I never said the Blasters on an X-Wing have that power, I said the Proton Torpedoes from an X-Wing have the effective yield of 8 Photon Torpedoes and the Turbolasers on an Acclamator are equal 8,000 Photorps per gun, per shot.
Hypermatter is pound for pound identical to the energy provided by M/AM. Except it allows for vast quantities to be annihilated safely and quickly, providing enormous levels of power. The majority of this fuel is stored in Hyperspace, so tens of thousands of tons can be annihilated per second for hours on end before running out.
Star Wars FTL is very similar to Star Trek Quantum Slipstream Drive, only much faster and far more intense, going into Hyperspace instead of Subspace.
@TheMidgetwithahammer One, you are half correct, L.A.S.E.R.s cannot be fired in a pulse/bolt, which is why Star Wars weapons are not L.A.S.E.R.s they just call them Lasers as a carry over term (like how a Laser Rifle or Plasma Rifle doesn't have any actual riflings, but is still called a Rifle.)
The Power source isn't a Gas Tank, while Tibanna Gas is used as the particle component of a Blaster the actual Energy comes from Hypermatter, Tachyonic matter that annihilates itself in realspace.
@TheMidgetwithahammer There are no Innacuracies in Star Wars that Star Trek doesn't also have, and Star Trek has many, many more that Star Wars does not.
Also those "dinky" Turbolasers (don't let the word Laser in the name fool you, they have no more in common with a L.a.s.e.r. than a phaser does aside from the name.) Carry the Energy of thousands of Photon torpedoes in a single bolt. Fighter Torpedoes alone are each worth 8 Photon torpedoes.
With all the Jedi's on Star Wars vs Star trek, I'm pretty sure Star wars wins. Why? not even 1000 troops have achance against Darth Vader gg. imagine all of the Jedis.
How many armies are in star wars? Wookies, the sith, The emprie, the Republic, the rebels and those Desert like Osama bin ladens. and good luck against a star ship
@firebirddrumer V'ger doesn't exist in the trek universe anymore, it went away to explore new ones at the end of tmp. Also the most we saw it capable of doing was wiping out all life on earth using it's upscaled balls of doom. A single Star Destroyer can do that, make the surface of the earth look like the surface of mustafar.
@Perion even so the tech still exists. and think about it, the v'ger was a research prob and it can destroy a planet. also in response to your other points, the Jedi and the sith are nothing special compared to things in the star trek universe, for example the Q could chew up and spit out the Force. plus the federation alone has over 150 member worlds most of which have armys of there own.
@firebirddrumer V'Ger took everything with it, and the aliens who enhanced V'Ger are on the other side of the known universe and may very well be extinct. V'Qer was far more than a mere research probe by the time it made it back to earth. It was nearly 100km long, more than half as big as the first Death Star but not quite capable of generating nearly as much power (the Death Star Generates FAR more power than the bare minimum to blow up a planet btw)
@firebirddrumer Q could, but he would have no reason to inerfere, any more than he had to interfere with the Dominion War. The Federation is tiny and weak by Imperial standards, 150 member worlds are like nothing at all to them. Also we know what kind of armies are considered to be formidable foes/occupation forces in TNG, The Romulans intended on becoming a "fact of life" on Vulcan with only 2,000 soldiers, and we've never seen them use support weapons of any kind, let alone vehicles.
@firebirddrumer So that's a planetary occupation force of only 2,000 light infantry. It would be trivial for the empire to send out 150 Acclamator class ships, 1 to each member world simultaniously, blow past whatever defenses they have (or simply come out of hyperspace in orbit of each planet, something that is dangerous for federation ships to do.) Then land the ship and disgorge 16,000 heavy infantry with hundreds of support vehicles. The Federation would surrender in minutes.
@firebirddrumer to put this into perspective, The Federation have only 150 member worlds, the Empire by the time of Palpatine has over a million. (hundreds of thousands during the time of the Republic, it more than doubled in size during the time between episode 3 and 4.) Not only that, but in less than 20 years the Empire produced over 25,000 Imperial class Star Destroyers, that's an average of 3 per day. Meanwhile it takes 5-10 years or more to build a Galaxy Class.
What's more, comparing an Imperial class Star Destroyer to a Galaxy Class isn't really apt, Star Destroyers are just that, Destroyers. Regular Line vessels and by Imperial standards rather unremarkable craft. The Preators, Titans, Bellators, Procurators, Mandators, Executors, Assertors THOSE are the main capital ships of the Empire, battlecruisers 6-8km long, and Dreadnoughts 15-19km long. Compared to them a Star Destroyer is like a Miranda to a Galaxy, so it would be more accurate.
@Perion Star Trek is not just the Federation. Star Trek is the Klingons, the Romulans, Vulcans, Terrans, Ferengi, Voth, Borg, The Dominion, Species 8472 and of course, among a huge load of others, the Q, who can snap all of Star Wars out of existence. and the Empire has no sense of tactics and can't hit the broad side of a barn with their blasters. granted They can make things BIG, but that's pretty much it. Star Trek has more powerful weapons, shielding and general tech overall.
@firebirddrumer If the Empire were to invade the Federation the feds would be gone before they even had a chance to request help, if the Empire wanted to invade the other races they are more than capable of mopping the floor with all of the ones you mentioned (With the exception of the Q but the most they would do is sit down with some popcorn and watch the fireworks) There's really no reason to invade the Undine (8472) though, since Fluidic Space has really nothing of value for the Empire.
@TOK150 Not hugely, The Empire are already capable of inducing Zombie Apocolipses and genetically engineering creatures, they also have experience in dealing with Bio-Tech aliens like the Yuzhan Vong and a few others.
@firebirddrumer If you think the Empire as no sense of tactics and can't hit the broad side of a barn with their blasters I think you need to watch the films again and pay closer attention this time. The myth of Stormtroopers being poor shots is just that, a myth. Not only that, but the mooks in Star Trek aren't any better. Take the Remans for example, who are supposed to be the uber mega ultimate soldiers in the galaxy capable of wasting the super elite Jem'Hadar with ease watch?v=3Ir28fwPlYY
So, knowing that they plan on tracking the falcon back to their base, if the empire had no sense of tactics they would try to kill Luke & Co rather than let them escape, since it makes no sense to kill the crew after putting a homing beacon onto their ship. In fact the Stormtroopers were chasing them back through to the Falcon, knowing full well that there are other ways in and out of the Detention area, (Though most of that information is restricted so R2 couldn't access it).
Long story short, if Stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of a barn with their blasters, then Redshirts can't hit the broad side of a Star Destroyer with their Phasers.
Also you are mistaken in your belief that the Trek factions have more powerful technology, They are downright primitive by comparison to the Empire.
Forget about words like Phaser, Laser and all that other nonsense, instead, lets look at the affect of these weapons and the ammount of power they contain.
Comparing The Phasers on a Federation ship to the Turbolasers on a Star Destroyer is difficult to do, since Phasers use chain reaction affects that have their performance vary wildly depending on what they are shooting at.
On the other hand, a Photon torpedo, the most powerful weapon in general use by the Federation (Quantum torpedoes are more powerful obviously, but are relatively rare, only a handful of ships use them.) But only carries an effective yield of 24 megatons.
So while Phasers are hard to Quantify, we know that Photon Torpedoes are more powerful than them, Quantum Torpedoes are roughly twice the yield of Photon Torpedoes, but 24 or 48 megatons it makes no difference in the long run. It could be 100 megatons and it wouldn't make a lick of difference.
Why? well for one thing X-Wing Proton Torpedoes carry a yield of nearly 200 megatons a piece. That's right, each Torpedo or Missile fired by a Star Wars fighter is equal to 8 Photon torpedoes at least.
And that's just the beginning, remember those 150 Acclamators I mentioned? each one of those has 12 guns on it, each of those guns can fire with energy equivilent to 200,000 megatons per shot. If they have anything like the targeting systems on larger Ships such as Venator class Star Destroyers, then they can hit target vessels up to nearly 200,000,000km away (10 light minutes). Their Sublight acceleration is 3500gs, more than 3x that of full Impulse power.
Their Hyperdrive allows them to travel at speeds far beyond that of Warp drives, or even Quantum Slipstream Drives (Which are themselves primitive, watered down versions of Hyperdrives.) The fastest Warp is 3000c (1c = warp 1/speed of light) While a class 0.6 Hyperdrive is roughly 90,000,000c and can travel 250,000 light-years before needing to refuel (2 and a half round trips from one side of the Galaxy to the other.) The Falcon's 0.5 class Hyperdrive is 100,000,000c.
Hyperdrive is also more precise than Warp, capable of going full speed and coming out of lightspeed (a term used to describe all faster than light travel in Star Wars, not just travel at 1c, but travel at any speed from 1c and up) In orbit of a planet, while Warp ships have to drop out of warp some distance from a planet, then enter "standard orbit" on impulse. According to Tom Paris himself, the maximum safe speed to drop out of warp into orbit is little over Warp 4.
An Acclamator is much larger than a Galaxy Class, the largest federation starship they have shown to be capable of building (Size does matter from an engineering standpoint, the larger the ship you can build, the better your materials science technology is, being able to build big ships is NOT something to be underestimated.) However by imperial standards it's really quite small, and it is capable of landing and taking off from a planet routinely.
The largest Federation ship class capable of landing (The Intrepid Class) is less than half the size and it is a far from routine maneuver.
The Klingons are simple barbarians, the Romulan main vessels are blowfish that make themselves look bigger than they really are (by used volume, a warbird isn't much bigger than a Galaxy Class. but because so much of it is hollow it looks almost as big as a Star Destroyer.) The Dominion are Imperial wannabes, The Terrans and the Vulcans ARE the Federation.
The Ferengi would be traded with, no reason to go to war with them, the Borg are a joke (their assimilation and adaptability have established limits, limits the Empire exceed all across the board, and if they can't assimilate or adapt then they're worthless, if you want to talk about no sense of tactics, look at the plank in the Borg Queens eye rather than the speck of sawdust in the Empire's, seriously, She's the Doctor Evil of Star Trek.)
The only race that might, and I mean MIGHT approach Imperial level technology are the Voth, but are so limited in number as to be a non-issue. now by "general tech" I assume you are going to suggest that Transporters and Replicators are a sign of Superior Trek Tech, well again, you'd be wrong.
For one, The Empire actually DO have Replicators, everything from small food replicators to the World Devastators, Weaponized Replicators capable of devouring entire worlds and belching out fleets
While it's true that the Empire don't have transporters, They have massive ships capable of landing and taking off, so they have no real use for them. Not only that bu Transporters are finicky devices, and all manner of dense materials and interference can make them useless. All of which are present on Imperial ships, from their shields, neutronium hulls (which they can replicate no less) and ECM so powerful when they turn it on it's like you flew into a mutara nebula.
@Perion imperial transporter devices could possible be a thousand times more sufficient than the federation ones.considering their tech-level they would probably be capable of fixing most of the bugs and even modify them for their own uses.
star trek is way better in ever way. 1st, it's more realistic. it's pretty much a bunch of naval astronauts, 2nd, it's very well written instead of a bunch of space ninja/knights. 3rd but not least, sci nerds r trying to come up with warp drive, a force field has already been made but a much smaller version, and lastly if u have a itouch phone, pad, screen whatever u can thank star trek for that. god bless star trek and america. u dont see anyone kissing their kid sis in star trek lol
@thebuckrogers22 I hate to break it to you pal but 1, it's not more realistic, 2, the quality of writing is entirely a matter of opinion, and Star Trek's writing can be extremely... inconsistent, sometimes it's excelent other times it makes Lucas' dialogue look like shakespere.
3rd, the ipad/itouch phone etc is just the next logical step in the clipboard. I will however, say that it is refreshing that you didn't suggest that the Cell phone was invented by trek.
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards You would be wrong, X-Wing firepower is enormous, their speed and maneuverability is incredible and their shielding would make them immune to the guns of the Vipers, Raiders or Galactica. Not only that but their ECM would make it so they wouldn't show up on DRADIS, and getting a missile lock would be impossible. They'd be effectively Invincible while blowing away pretty much any ship that came at them with ease.
In BSG the most powerful weapons we have seen are nukes, and the highest yield nukes described are 50 megatons, used in the orbital bombardment of Caprica. In "The Hand of God" We find that a 3 Kiloton nuke is a big deal. We know that the Galactica is armed with "Class D" warheads, Class D warheads In real life are around 70 kilotons to 1.45 Megatons. The most powerful Nukes used in the series are no greater than the most powerful nuke detonated in real life, so...
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards It's a reasonably safe bet that the yield ranges are comperable,
Now, what can X-Wings dish out? well.... Clone War Era fighter guns were generally capable of anywhere from 2 kilotons to 10 kilotons per shot each, have missiles that have a yield of 191 megatons in a shaped charge and have the capability to accelerate at upwards of 4,000g (Complete Cross Sections) X-Wings have 4 guns and are considered State of the art 20 years later, and have shielding.
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards Vipers by comparison are capable of only 6-7g maneuverability, and nothing in the Cylon or Colonial arsenal even aproaches kiloton weaponry aside from their nukes. and since an X-Wing's shields can deflect or absorb kiloton scale fighter weaponry until it's far more managable, anything less than that (such as Viper guns and Cylon basestar missiles, or even galactica railguns) wouldn't be able to penetrate the shields at all. Nukes in space have a far smaller blast too.
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards So trying to use a Nuke as a "Flak Burst" weapon is ill advised, it's unlikely to hit, the energy is so dispersed it's unlikely to bring down the shields if it does, and there aren't enough nukes aboard a Battlestar to make it count anyhow.
To make matters worse, if there are any Rebel capital ships nearby, the ECM THEY generate would not only make them not show up on DRADIS, but would effectively make DRADIS mere static, where NOTHING would show up, friend or foe.
@Perion Try the approach of the story I write then. Instead of DRADIS, they have Active Sensor Pulse, which is pretty much RADAR, but instead of sweeping an area, it sends out a pulse, and the signals bounce back. Vipers are so 150,000 years ago, I use the CB-11 Mako Assault Fighter, capable of putting a round through 10 inches of titanium, and can also flip around and move reverse direction in less than .12 seconds., and lets not forget the S.M.A.C.k, or the Super Magnetic Accelerator Cannon,
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards so basically your story is all about random stuff you made up and, Halo? "flip around and move reverse direction" Enjoy getting blasted into smitheries, that tactic is actually rather suicidal.
Sorry but I only accept Canon evidence, not fanfiction. Being able to punch through 10 inches of Titanium or using a S.M.A.C.k from Halo means pretty well nothing to the Empire.
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards Its not really Halo. While it is based around the idea of an alien race trying to wipe out humanity, there are differences. These aren't random facts, these are things I've thought out. This isn't fancy like Star trek, where everything is shiny and new, and it isn't BSG, where every thing is falling apart and under constant attack. The life in 2452 is very much like it is today, but with more futuristic kind of thing.
@Perion (Continued from previous) Which fires a magnum round at speeds in excess of 3000 m/s, and by 2452, Ship to Ship nuclear arms are as high as 2.25 megatons. I'm still debating whether to add counter-ECM systems to the Athena class warships used by the Allied Colonial Defense Forces.
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards Even worse than that is the effect it has on engine performances, down to roughly 1%. The Vipers/Raptors/Raiders would lose control while The X-wings still maneuver about at Hundreds of Gs, their pilots never feeling it due to the Acceleration Compensators (Star Wars equivilent of Inertial Dampeners).
While a single X-Wing firing Torpedoes/Missiles would obliterate a Battlestar, you don't even want to know what the guns of a Rebel Capital ship can do.
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards That's because they have weaponry that is far more powerful, but releases the energy in a manner which prevents collateral damage. Allowing for use in tight formations and even atmosphere without drastic environmental consequences. The how they achieve this is unknown, but they do.
Lightning bolts are known to release similar energy as tons of TNT, but don't appear to create blasts anywhere near that large, The Sendai Earthquake in Japan released 476 Megatons of energy.
@femalegeek5 Data would knock the pickle juice out of R2D2. I know R2D2 doesn't have any pickle juice in him, but Data would beat him up so bad he'd find some.
@julsf14 Based on? Sorry but I cannot recall any episode where Data was shown to be immune to fire. Even if that were the case however, R2 has a fun little trick involving his Taser like weapon. Zap Data in the Eye and he'll short out his positronic net.
Besides this argument is pretty flawed from the getgo, we're talking about a general purpose (and primitve) human replica droid who's practically unique (aside from Lore, the even more primitive B4, and the slightly more advanced Juliana)
Against a, while an exceptional example, Maintenence Droid from a mass produced line which undoubtedly outnumber the entirety of the Federation. You might as well say Data vs Exocomp or something like that.
A more fitting Comparison would be Data vs Guri, though Guri would soundly defeat him.
@simbanoel1 Probably something to do with their Prime Directive sometimes being used as an excuse to commit Genocide by inaction. Or any other reason a Capitalist Democracy (Republic) would attack/be hostile to a Socialist Communist Nation (Federation)
@Quackenzeboots most Droids aren't sentient, they just have the illusion of sentience, the only exception to this are HRDs, and even they vary based on their design. of course the same could be said for The Doctor and Vic Fontaine, they aren't really sentient, just have the illusion of it. Data may be sentient thanks to his positronic brain, but he's basically a primitive HRD.
Empire have slave races (though they denied these races the classification of "sentient" to justify it).
@onlypeaceindeath, what's so horrible about the Federation? A lot of people seem to object to it because Federation citizens' main purpose is not to buy more stuff than the next guy. Hopefully we'll all evolve beyond consumerdom one day.
@Quackenzeboots watch?v=7_ZbVk_Dh9E Other problems include lack of ownership, I mean it's one thing to have people not want to buy more than the next guy, but in the Federation you can't buy anything at all.
Interestingly humanity in star trek HAS NOT evolved past those sorts of thing, otherwise the disaster on Turkana IV wouldn't have happened.
What does the Federation do? wipe their hands and walk away Pontius Pilate style.
I'm not saying the Federation is a Dystopia and the Empire a Utopia, I AM saying that the Federation is NOT a Utopia, nor is the Empire a Dystopia (at least, if you are Human.)
@Quackenzeboots Eh, taking children to battle zones, abandoning Federal planets which are in need of social and economical aid (if I remember correctly), letting people die because the Prime Directive says they can't interfere, and a few other things I can't remember right know.
I love both trek and wars,however star wars is fantasy,star trek is real science,they have the time travel,wormholes and parallel universe thing going on and they are real science hypthoseis just ask Dr Michio Kaku
stars wars is like harry potter and lord of the rings,light sabbers,the force etc are fiction/fantasy it is not like wormholes and blackholes where are hypotectcally possible
most science geeks will chose trek.and most literature/fiction geeks will choose wars
@1bulma1 Star Trek is just as much fantasy as Star Wars. They have ghosts but gives them technobabble descriptions, they constantly uses bad science such as "subatomic bacteria" and "crack in the event horizon" on a black hole etc. Star Trek is far from real science.
@onlypeaceindeath As a science student I know both trek &wars and bliv me trek is strictly science fiction, pls watch the universe episodes on the history channel,things like space diving,wormholmes,time travel,are at the fore front of real science and could be possible in the distant future.
light sabers can never exist, there can be no such thing as the force,it is simply fantasy
wormholes time travel are hypothesis possible trough Einstein theory of special and general relativity
@1bulma1 And yet they butcher terminology, they constantly invent new forms of particles and gives already existing materials unrealistic properties. Also, Star Trek still have omnipotent beings and ghosts. So what makes it more scientificly accurate than Star Wars? Star Wars do also have possible devices such as droids and ion thrusters, so maybe it should also be considered Science fiction.
@onlypeaceindeath pls wtach the universe ;science fact science fiction I would conclude by saying entertainment wise star wars is the better series, intellectual wise star trek is the better series.
anybody and everybody can enjoy star wars because the story is straight forward...not everybody can understand talk less of enjoy quantum mechanics and science hypothesis
@1bulma1 I would say that they are both equally good in entertainment. I used to watch alot of TNG and Voyager. But I would hardly call Star Trek intellectual, considering how horrible the Federation actually is and the scientific inaccuracy. But that's for TNG and Voyager. I haven't seen much of the original show, so I'm not going to say anything about it.
Shoud've made it in two parts to improve the resolution. Great stuff though. Wish you had thrown some Klingons and stuff in there too and make it a right melee!
@Supersmashodsts8 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." 2 John 1:9-11
honestly after reading some of the comments for this vid I was expecting a comment replying war of sorts trying to prove to each oppositing fan why they think star trek or star wars is better lmao
my opinion I think Star Wars have better storylines but I like i'm into star trek NG more for they sometimes deal "what if"questions that make me think, but not a hardcore fan of either really
@1bulma1 The Force can be explained "scientifically" via string theory. Lightsabers are no more fantasy than allot of the silly magicteck you see in Trek.
I think only one thing would settle the score. Literally. Put one full orchestra at one end of the pitch, and another at the other end. The other one plays Jerry Goldsmith, the other one plays John Williams.
I still don't think these little shit wings and pee-wings could take out 3 federation starships. I don't ever see that happening. At least not in the context this video makes it appear. But don't get me wrong, I could die a happy, regretless sci-fi fan if they did a ST & SW crossover movie. And it was like 4 hours long. Wolf 359 / Dominion war meets the Battle over Endor against a new threat to the universe. That'd be the greatest movie ever made...
@Thisguy1313 Depends on whether you're using a B-wing or something else. Anything else other than a bigger ship probably wouldn't make a dent. It's depends on whether the shields on Star Trek and withstand the bombs and torpedoes of Star Wars. XD
@DeltaPhi79 I can agree, somewhat. until both adversaries and their individual capabilities are defined in specifics it's just my opinion. You'd think that it would have to be something like a capitol ship to have an even chance against a federation starship. The scale is more plausible.
@Thisguy1313 Well, the so called Star Wars Wiki "Wookieepedia" (It's pretty valid...) can tell you quite a bit about what that can do... We just need a good Star Trek one and then we could decide what would happen. To be honest, I think they'd be evenly matched.
Here's the thing. I'd say we can all agree that probably any ship in the Scifi-verse (With exceptions) could be destroyed by a direct hit from the DS. Okay, but the fact that a federation ship has the massive advantage of maneuverability over the DS. Even the rebels had to take the shield down in order to get to the reactor chamber in ROTJ. That assumed, a Tri-lithium, or a Genesis device beamed into the reactor chamber and detonated would definitely destroy it. Just like any old mini fighter.
well, think about it. A huge starship hitting another huge starship, causing a chain reaction that blows the main reactor. That destroys a starship. A few small bolts of energy does not!
@Startrekboy1138 Useless design on the ship then. It couldn't even be considered a crash. If that was enough to cause the main reactor to go supernova then the federation shouldn't build any ships at all. Hell, a Venator class Star Destroyer can nosedive into a planet with a speed of a few kilometers a second and not explode, and even better the crew survived that crash too.
@onlypeaceindeath That is beside the point, the original comment was that A few small bolts of energy can NOT shut down the main reactor. That's like saying a non-explosive shell fired at an aircraft carrier will shut down the boilers.
@Startrekboy1138 The fact is still that if it took that little to cause the main reactor to blow up, then those small bolts of energy is most likely able to cause such catastrophic failure in the reactor too.
@Startrekboy1138 Just look at that "crash". Didn't require much to casuse that chain reaction, so what do you think would happen if a bolt with thousands if not millions of time the energy scores a direct hit on the Enterprise.
@onlypeaceindeath That was because the Enterprise had it's shields Down, and barley scratched is a exaggeration. I forget the episode, it was on TV very recently though.
@Austindude3954 actually that's not true, they can either blast the rocks, or fly through them with their main shields up, they don't bother with navigational shields at sublight because the main shields are more than sufficient, and in Star Wars raising shields is not considered a sign of aggression, though if some strange ship raises shields another ship will raise them as well, be it due to the one ship planning to attack or seeing something's coming that the other ship doesn't.
oh btw, if you want a good look at original series Enterprise shielding and weapons, we can do so. In the TOS episode "Nomad", they withstood a weapon that was the equivalent of 90 of their Photon Torpedoes, but they also feared nuclear weapons hidden in debris by Romulans in "Balance of Terror." Enough to take evasive action. And they tried to run away from a nuke in another episode, but they got hit and took pretty severe damage. I will try to find the episode. Analysis will continue however.
If anything, the fact that they were scared and was even damaged by a nuke would suggest that a nuclear weapon is significantly more powerful than a photon torpedo if dialogue is anything to go by.
I should correct that one statement. The episode i believe was "Patterns of Force", but they shot the nuke down. They wouldn't have done so if there was no real danger to a ship. The very fact they shot it down would suggest it was a serious threat. However, they did take battle damage from the nuke in Balance of Terror episode.
@Amann0407 Worf :"They are locking...lasers on us..." Riker: "Lasers?" Picard: "Lasers cant even penetrate the navigational shields dont they know that?" Riker: "Regulations...do call for yellow alert ,sir..." Picard: "Very old regulation, very well make it so" ........... :3
Funny how the VERY NEXT EPISODE destroys all it's credibility as meaning L.A.S.E.R.s of any power, making it perfectly clear that it was only the L.A.S.E.R.s on the ship in question..
It still doesn't change the fact that Imperial weapons aren't L.A.S.E.R.s as they function nothing like them, and the modern use of the word Laser is about as specific as Ray Gun so yeah.
@iherduliekthem It's even better when they Ignore the "Loud as a whisper" quote, which Picard feels so strongly that L.A.S.E.R. wielding hostiles would endanger his ship, that he refuses to take Riva to them unless they have a cease fire.
And "Loud as a whisper" aired right after "Outragous Okona" completely blowing the No L.A.S.E.R.s Fallacy away
@idazmi7 you can troll and talk shyt all you want mofuckah
187bobafett 2 weeks ago
@187bobafett Okay then! Thanks for the invite.
^-^
Idazmi7 1 week ago
How the f*** did five rebel fighters defeat three Federation cruisers??
Mitchz95 2 weeks ago
@Mitchz95 Fanwank, lies, Star Destroyer net, and more Fanwank.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
Star Trek>Star Wars.
I mean, come on! lol
SPQRImperator 1 month ago
Since when could fighters even put a scratch on a Soyuz class!?
TheTattorack 2 months ago
One of the better Vids.
MrKellG 4 months ago
Lets think about figures....Starwars figures sell as valued collectable....I saw the startreck figures at a dollerama >_<
But I preffer startrek, I even taught myself klingon :D
skullythebloger 4 months ago
Noooooo!!!!. This would never happen if they actually battled. I mean, come on, two starships against 5 tiny ones!?!?!?!?! I'm a huge trekkie fan. :( This is very, very, sad. :( We laughed out heads off when it ended. If this makes no sense, you should have seen my face and reaction. Good job. :(
EJAcademy 5 months ago
@EJAcademy actually it does make sense, in the words of Yoda himself "Size Matters not" at least when it comes to ships from two completely different technology bases.
Think of it this way.
Constitution and Excelsior class vessels:
primary weapon: Photon torpedoes (19 megatons effective yield (24 megatons in TNG))
civilization: Federation (100 years old)
X-Wing
Primary weapon: Proton torpedo (191 megatons effective yield)
Civilization: Republic (25,000 years old)
Perion 5 months ago
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@Perion Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
@EJAcademy Due to the relative age of the Republic vs the Federation. It's like a pair of 23rd century starships going up against a half dozen 271st century fighters.
Perion 5 months ago
@EJAcademy Your right. Ignoring Non-canon: Blaster weapons cannot penetrate "magnetic seals" or "ray shields" at all. Starfleet Shields are both. Not to mention, the old Enterprise can destroy cities with just it's phasers, (torpedoes are more powerful) and can level an M-class planet's surface, as per the Original Series episodes "Mirror, Mirror", and "A Taste of Armageddon". The old Enterprise is 86 years old in Trek time, making it the OUTDATED MODEL. *Trek* wins.
Idazmi7 4 months ago
The Excelsior explosion was hilarious. I'm a Trekkie, but I actually enjoyed this!
Idazmi7 5 months ago
nice! a video where star wars won in the others the enterprise flees all the time
freeway996 5 months ago
the empire was defeated by a bunch of ewoks ENOUGH SAID
xmangambit77 6 months ago
What is truely amusing is that all throughout this entire video, is that there is plenty of material to tell the Star Trek portion of the story, and yet very little for the Star Wars portion.
Star Trek spanned 5 different series (if you count TOS-Animated), 10 feature length films from the original run, a reboot film, thousands of books, hundreds of fan fics and fan made films, all spanning 45 years. Star Wars has only 6 movies hundreds of books, and some fan fiction in 34 years of life.
chronos1002 6 months ago
@chronos1002 which kinda puts a damper on the "George Lucas is a sell out" argument.
Perion 6 months ago
@Perion Well, I'm not so sure about that. Each Star Trek film stands alone.
George Lucas decided to "redo" each of his films how many times ?
The Initial showing, then a clean up of the original, then a digital remastery, then digital "surgery" to "Improve" the films, and the list goes on. I call that "milking" or perhaps flogging a dead horse.
I also forgot to mention the animated shows "Droids" and "Ewoks" both of which only had a limited number of episodes, My bad.
chronos1002 6 months ago
@chronos1002 Not really, if he was "milking" them he would have had done far more. The animated shows are no different than the games or books really. Which people come to him for approval cause they want to do it, I hardly consider that "selling out". Would you rather he not let them?
the list goes on to one or two, in that A) he made the DVD releases (which honestly they couldn't be on VHS forever, and you might as well fix them up while you're at it.) and the upcoming 3D releases.
Perion 6 months ago
Which only that last one is going into dubious territories imo.
There's also the upcoming Live action TV series, set in between episodes 3 and 4, no jedi, no sith (except perhaps for Palpatine showing up on the news or whatever) just simple men, women and others trying to make their ways in the universe. carrying a similar tone as Firefly and nbsg
Perion 6 months ago
"I'm going to send this video to a friend of mine who's into Star Trek like I'm into Star Wars! I think he'll probably...."
MrWINNSLAW 6 months ago
good shit right here.
buffyslayer30 6 months ago
and the star shis in star treck have (when is a groop not alone) the same plaet eradication power as the deathstar so thaking by how much the shilds hold this x-wing should not have scratched it...
jannikmt 6 months ago
@jannikmt The only ships in Star Trek we've seen blow up a planet in group firing were 8472, and they used a special chain reaction weapon that took quite some time to actually blow up the planet, even after they stopped firing, which means that not only were they incapable of blowing up the planet via brute force, but took longer and with less violence. A planetary shield would repel such an attack easily, and destroying the central ship would stop the attack entirely.
Perion 6 months ago
@jannikmt The only other Fleet bombardment we saw was of a Joint Cardassian and Romulan fleet, which caused mild superficial damage no greater than what would happen if the US launched it's nukes at russia during the cold war. despite the dialogue making mistaken claims. A single ISD firing at the surface of a planet would cause 8 times the devastation of the chicxulub asteroid in one second. In one hour it would blast the atmosphere clear off the planet and reduce it's crust molten slag.
Perion 6 months ago
@TheMidgetwithahammer I'm not seeing reason? how is simply stating the canon tech capabilities of the respective franchises from official, relevant material NOT being reasonable? I already pointed out that you misread my statements regarding X-Wing firepower, as well as how there are allot more types of FTL in Trek than simple warp.
Seems to me that your personal incredulity to the established lore is the real problem here.
Perion 6 months ago
@TheMidgetwithahammer Borg would be obliterated by the Rebelion, numbers or no. As for the Rebels vs Federation, The Republic is a Capitalist Democracy, while The Federation are Socalist Communists, there is after all a precident for hostilities between those two philosophies.
Perion 6 months ago
@Perion mehh hey both want peace, remember the federation is past "ultimat power" and more to "peace"
jannikmt 6 months ago
@TheMidgetwithahammer Five: The Traveler and numerous other Aliens refer to "Thought is the Basis of Reality" Which is no less rediculous than the Force, and arguably more so since the Force is at least an energy field (which has some basis in say, String and it's related M Theory) and Thought and Concentration, as well as the midichlorians providing a sort of middleman/translater/powerconverter role, to change and adjust this energy field (changing the tune of the Superstrings).
Perion 6 months ago
I love these mash up`s
i suspect that SW might come out on top but if we were talking a broader fictional mash up maybe The Skylark Of Valeron might beat both of them :)
(not a fair fight really as the Valeron could just destroy the solar system they were fighting in from 20000 LY away )
seriously though great video
wildfire160 6 months ago
@TheMidgetwithahammer There are numerous methods of FTL in Star Trek, Wormholes, Transwarp Gates, Graviton Catapults, Underspace Corridors, and Slipstream which bears a resemblence in speed, appearance and operation as a watered down hyperdrive.
Four, I never said the Blasters on an X-Wing have that power, I said the Proton Torpedoes from an X-Wing have the effective yield of 8 Photon Torpedoes and the Turbolasers on an Acclamator are equal 8,000 Photorps per gun, per shot.
Perion 6 months ago
Hypermatter is pound for pound identical to the energy provided by M/AM. Except it allows for vast quantities to be annihilated safely and quickly, providing enormous levels of power. The majority of this fuel is stored in Hyperspace, so tens of thousands of tons can be annihilated per second for hours on end before running out.
Star Wars FTL is very similar to Star Trek Quantum Slipstream Drive, only much faster and far more intense, going into Hyperspace instead of Subspace.
Perion 6 months ago
@TheMidgetwithahammer One, you are half correct, L.A.S.E.R.s cannot be fired in a pulse/bolt, which is why Star Wars weapons are not L.A.S.E.R.s they just call them Lasers as a carry over term (like how a Laser Rifle or Plasma Rifle doesn't have any actual riflings, but is still called a Rifle.)
The Power source isn't a Gas Tank, while Tibanna Gas is used as the particle component of a Blaster the actual Energy comes from Hypermatter, Tachyonic matter that annihilates itself in realspace.
Perion 6 months ago
@TheMidgetwithahammer There are no Innacuracies in Star Wars that Star Trek doesn't also have, and Star Trek has many, many more that Star Wars does not.
Also those "dinky" Turbolasers (don't let the word Laser in the name fool you, they have no more in common with a L.a.s.e.r. than a phaser does aside from the name.) Carry the Energy of thousands of Photon torpedoes in a single bolt. Fighter Torpedoes alone are each worth 8 Photon torpedoes.
Perion 6 months ago
EXRCON! FUCK U ALL!
puleknow 7 months ago
nice shot-4:21 to 4:24
AdMaker3000 7 months ago
LOL 6:02!
AdMaker3000 7 months ago
XD 5:33 "Get set up 4 yur attack run." while i crash into the ship screaming "Yeeeaahhh!!!" LOLOLOL "Sheilds! Shields!" "The Saucier's been hit!"
AdMaker3000 7 months ago
With all the Jedi's on Star Wars vs Star trek, I'm pretty sure Star wars wins. Why? not even 1000 troops have achance against Darth Vader gg. imagine all of the Jedis.
How many armies are in star wars? Wookies, the sith, The emprie, the Republic, the rebels and those Desert like Osama bin ladens. and good luck against a star ship
UhklySwag 7 months ago
@UhklySwag V'ger. nuf said
firebirddrumer 7 months ago
@firebirddrumer V'ger doesn't exist in the trek universe anymore, it went away to explore new ones at the end of tmp. Also the most we saw it capable of doing was wiping out all life on earth using it's upscaled balls of doom. A single Star Destroyer can do that, make the surface of the earth look like the surface of mustafar.
Perion 7 months ago
@Perion even so the tech still exists. and think about it, the v'ger was a research prob and it can destroy a planet. also in response to your other points, the Jedi and the sith are nothing special compared to things in the star trek universe, for example the Q could chew up and spit out the Force. plus the federation alone has over 150 member worlds most of which have armys of there own.
firebirddrumer 7 months ago
@firebirddrumer V'Ger took everything with it, and the aliens who enhanced V'Ger are on the other side of the known universe and may very well be extinct. V'Qer was far more than a mere research probe by the time it made it back to earth. It was nearly 100km long, more than half as big as the first Death Star but not quite capable of generating nearly as much power (the Death Star Generates FAR more power than the bare minimum to blow up a planet btw)
Perion 7 months ago
@firebirddrumer Q could, but he would have no reason to inerfere, any more than he had to interfere with the Dominion War. The Federation is tiny and weak by Imperial standards, 150 member worlds are like nothing at all to them. Also we know what kind of armies are considered to be formidable foes/occupation forces in TNG, The Romulans intended on becoming a "fact of life" on Vulcan with only 2,000 soldiers, and we've never seen them use support weapons of any kind, let alone vehicles.
Perion 7 months ago
@firebirddrumer So that's a planetary occupation force of only 2,000 light infantry. It would be trivial for the empire to send out 150 Acclamator class ships, 1 to each member world simultaniously, blow past whatever defenses they have (or simply come out of hyperspace in orbit of each planet, something that is dangerous for federation ships to do.) Then land the ship and disgorge 16,000 heavy infantry with hundreds of support vehicles. The Federation would surrender in minutes.
Perion 7 months ago
@firebirddrumer to put this into perspective, The Federation have only 150 member worlds, the Empire by the time of Palpatine has over a million. (hundreds of thousands during the time of the Republic, it more than doubled in size during the time between episode 3 and 4.) Not only that, but in less than 20 years the Empire produced over 25,000 Imperial class Star Destroyers, that's an average of 3 per day. Meanwhile it takes 5-10 years or more to build a Galaxy Class.
Perion 7 months ago
What's more, comparing an Imperial class Star Destroyer to a Galaxy Class isn't really apt, Star Destroyers are just that, Destroyers. Regular Line vessels and by Imperial standards rather unremarkable craft. The Preators, Titans, Bellators, Procurators, Mandators, Executors, Assertors THOSE are the main capital ships of the Empire, battlecruisers 6-8km long, and Dreadnoughts 15-19km long. Compared to them a Star Destroyer is like a Miranda to a Galaxy, so it would be more accurate.
Perion 7 months ago
@Perion Star Trek is not just the Federation. Star Trek is the Klingons, the Romulans, Vulcans, Terrans, Ferengi, Voth, Borg, The Dominion, Species 8472 and of course, among a huge load of others, the Q, who can snap all of Star Wars out of existence. and the Empire has no sense of tactics and can't hit the broad side of a barn with their blasters. granted They can make things BIG, but that's pretty much it. Star Trek has more powerful weapons, shielding and general tech overall.
firebirddrumer 7 months ago
@firebirddrumer If the Empire were to invade the Federation the feds would be gone before they even had a chance to request help, if the Empire wanted to invade the other races they are more than capable of mopping the floor with all of the ones you mentioned (With the exception of the Q but the most they would do is sit down with some popcorn and watch the fireworks) There's really no reason to invade the Undine (8472) though, since Fluidic Space has really nothing of value for the Empire.
Perion 7 months ago
@Perion What about the Undine themselfs and their advanced Bio-Tec?
TOK150 7 months ago
@TOK150 Not hugely, The Empire are already capable of inducing Zombie Apocolipses and genetically engineering creatures, they also have experience in dealing with Bio-Tech aliens like the Yuzhan Vong and a few others.
Perion 7 months ago
@firebirddrumer If you think the Empire as no sense of tactics and can't hit the broad side of a barn with their blasters I think you need to watch the films again and pay closer attention this time. The myth of Stormtroopers being poor shots is just that, a myth. Not only that, but the mooks in Star Trek aren't any better. Take the Remans for example, who are supposed to be the uber mega ultimate soldiers in the galaxy capable of wasting the super elite Jem'Hadar with ease watch?v=3Ir28fwPlYY
Perion 7 months ago
The Main differences to note between the Remans and the Stormtroopers in that scene are 3 fold.
1. The Remans and Feddies are FAR closer together than the Stormtroopers and Luke & co.
2. In spite of this the Remans miss the mark even further than the Stormtroopers do.
3. The Stormtroopers are missing on purpose, the Remans are actually trying to kill.
We know that the Empire "Let them go" to track the falcon, Vader suspected Leia would be of use to them before going to see the falcon
Perion 7 months ago
So, knowing that they plan on tracking the falcon back to their base, if the empire had no sense of tactics they would try to kill Luke & Co rather than let them escape, since it makes no sense to kill the crew after putting a homing beacon onto their ship. In fact the Stormtroopers were chasing them back through to the Falcon, knowing full well that there are other ways in and out of the Detention area, (Though most of that information is restricted so R2 couldn't access it).
Perion 7 months ago
Long story short, if Stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of a barn with their blasters, then Redshirts can't hit the broad side of a Star Destroyer with their Phasers.
Also you are mistaken in your belief that the Trek factions have more powerful technology, They are downright primitive by comparison to the Empire.
Forget about words like Phaser, Laser and all that other nonsense, instead, lets look at the affect of these weapons and the ammount of power they contain.
Perion 7 months ago
Comparing The Phasers on a Federation ship to the Turbolasers on a Star Destroyer is difficult to do, since Phasers use chain reaction affects that have their performance vary wildly depending on what they are shooting at.
On the other hand, a Photon torpedo, the most powerful weapon in general use by the Federation (Quantum torpedoes are more powerful obviously, but are relatively rare, only a handful of ships use them.) But only carries an effective yield of 24 megatons.
Perion 7 months ago
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Perion 7 months ago
So while Phasers are hard to Quantify, we know that Photon Torpedoes are more powerful than them, Quantum Torpedoes are roughly twice the yield of Photon Torpedoes, but 24 or 48 megatons it makes no difference in the long run. It could be 100 megatons and it wouldn't make a lick of difference.
Why? well for one thing X-Wing Proton Torpedoes carry a yield of nearly 200 megatons a piece. That's right, each Torpedo or Missile fired by a Star Wars fighter is equal to 8 Photon torpedoes at least.
Perion 7 months ago
And that's just the beginning, remember those 150 Acclamators I mentioned? each one of those has 12 guns on it, each of those guns can fire with energy equivilent to 200,000 megatons per shot. If they have anything like the targeting systems on larger Ships such as Venator class Star Destroyers, then they can hit target vessels up to nearly 200,000,000km away (10 light minutes). Their Sublight acceleration is 3500gs, more than 3x that of full Impulse power.
Perion 7 months ago
Their Hyperdrive allows them to travel at speeds far beyond that of Warp drives, or even Quantum Slipstream Drives (Which are themselves primitive, watered down versions of Hyperdrives.) The fastest Warp is 3000c (1c = warp 1/speed of light) While a class 0.6 Hyperdrive is roughly 90,000,000c and can travel 250,000 light-years before needing to refuel (2 and a half round trips from one side of the Galaxy to the other.) The Falcon's 0.5 class Hyperdrive is 100,000,000c.
Perion 7 months ago
Hyperdrive is also more precise than Warp, capable of going full speed and coming out of lightspeed (a term used to describe all faster than light travel in Star Wars, not just travel at 1c, but travel at any speed from 1c and up) In orbit of a planet, while Warp ships have to drop out of warp some distance from a planet, then enter "standard orbit" on impulse. According to Tom Paris himself, the maximum safe speed to drop out of warp into orbit is little over Warp 4.
Perion 7 months ago
An Acclamator is much larger than a Galaxy Class, the largest federation starship they have shown to be capable of building (Size does matter from an engineering standpoint, the larger the ship you can build, the better your materials science technology is, being able to build big ships is NOT something to be underestimated.) However by imperial standards it's really quite small, and it is capable of landing and taking off from a planet routinely.
Perion 7 months ago
The largest Federation ship class capable of landing (The Intrepid Class) is less than half the size and it is a far from routine maneuver.
The Klingons are simple barbarians, the Romulan main vessels are blowfish that make themselves look bigger than they really are (by used volume, a warbird isn't much bigger than a Galaxy Class. but because so much of it is hollow it looks almost as big as a Star Destroyer.) The Dominion are Imperial wannabes, The Terrans and the Vulcans ARE the Federation.
Perion 7 months ago
The Ferengi would be traded with, no reason to go to war with them, the Borg are a joke (their assimilation and adaptability have established limits, limits the Empire exceed all across the board, and if they can't assimilate or adapt then they're worthless, if you want to talk about no sense of tactics, look at the plank in the Borg Queens eye rather than the speck of sawdust in the Empire's, seriously, She's the Doctor Evil of Star Trek.)
Perion 7 months ago
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Perion 7 months ago
The only race that might, and I mean MIGHT approach Imperial level technology are the Voth, but are so limited in number as to be a non-issue. now by "general tech" I assume you are going to suggest that Transporters and Replicators are a sign of Superior Trek Tech, well again, you'd be wrong.
For one, The Empire actually DO have Replicators, everything from small food replicators to the World Devastators, Weaponized Replicators capable of devouring entire worlds and belching out fleets
Perion 7 months ago
While it's true that the Empire don't have transporters, They have massive ships capable of landing and taking off, so they have no real use for them. Not only that bu Transporters are finicky devices, and all manner of dense materials and interference can make them useless. All of which are present on Imperial ships, from their shields, neutronium hulls (which they can replicate no less) and ECM so powerful when they turn it on it's like you flew into a mutara nebula.
Perion 7 months ago
@Perion imperial transporter devices could possible be a thousand times more sufficient than the federation ones.considering their tech-level they would probably be capable of fixing most of the bugs and even modify them for their own uses.
TOK150 7 months ago
@TOK150 Very possibly, I can see them using Transporters in all sorts of creative ways, but The Empire never really bothered with them beforehand.
Perion 7 months ago
LOL at General Madine's hairstyle!
masere 7 months ago
LOL!
67irishfire 7 months ago
oh yeah oh yeah star wars rocks!!!
EmmoSoulhunter 8 months ago
Boo. I want Star Trek to win!
danielswright 8 months ago
609 people turned to the dark side and joined the Federation.
Nonamearisto 8 months ago
Why you son of a #%€£{•#%*!
asquishedfrog 8 months ago
star trek is way better in ever way. 1st, it's more realistic. it's pretty much a bunch of naval astronauts, 2nd, it's very well written instead of a bunch of space ninja/knights. 3rd but not least, sci nerds r trying to come up with warp drive, a force field has already been made but a much smaller version, and lastly if u have a itouch phone, pad, screen whatever u can thank star trek for that. god bless star trek and america. u dont see anyone kissing their kid sis in star trek lol
thebuckrogers22 9 months ago
@thebuckrogers22 I hate to break it to you pal but 1, it's not more realistic, 2, the quality of writing is entirely a matter of opinion, and Star Trek's writing can be extremely... inconsistent, sometimes it's excelent other times it makes Lucas' dialogue look like shakespere.
3rd, the ipad/itouch phone etc is just the next logical step in the clipboard. I will however, say that it is refreshing that you didn't suggest that the Cell phone was invented by trek.
Perion 9 months ago
I just noticed that the X-Wings were very much all over the place. Vipers and Raptor didn't have this problem...
CatsRuleDogsAreTards 9 months ago
Did you see the part where the Cylon basestar blew Picard out of his X-Wing?! I think Adama would own in this fight.
CatsRuleDogsAreTards 9 months ago
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards You would be wrong, X-Wing firepower is enormous, their speed and maneuverability is incredible and their shielding would make them immune to the guns of the Vipers, Raiders or Galactica. Not only that but their ECM would make it so they wouldn't show up on DRADIS, and getting a missile lock would be impossible. They'd be effectively Invincible while blowing away pretty much any ship that came at them with ease.
Perion 9 months ago
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards
In BSG the most powerful weapons we have seen are nukes, and the highest yield nukes described are 50 megatons, used in the orbital bombardment of Caprica. In "The Hand of God" We find that a 3 Kiloton nuke is a big deal. We know that the Galactica is armed with "Class D" warheads, Class D warheads In real life are around 70 kilotons to 1.45 Megatons. The most powerful Nukes used in the series are no greater than the most powerful nuke detonated in real life, so...
Perion 9 months ago
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards It's a reasonably safe bet that the yield ranges are comperable,
Now, what can X-Wings dish out? well.... Clone War Era fighter guns were generally capable of anywhere from 2 kilotons to 10 kilotons per shot each, have missiles that have a yield of 191 megatons in a shaped charge and have the capability to accelerate at upwards of 4,000g (Complete Cross Sections) X-Wings have 4 guns and are considered State of the art 20 years later, and have shielding.
Perion 9 months ago
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards Vipers by comparison are capable of only 6-7g maneuverability, and nothing in the Cylon or Colonial arsenal even aproaches kiloton weaponry aside from their nukes. and since an X-Wing's shields can deflect or absorb kiloton scale fighter weaponry until it's far more managable, anything less than that (such as Viper guns and Cylon basestar missiles, or even galactica railguns) wouldn't be able to penetrate the shields at all. Nukes in space have a far smaller blast too.
Perion 9 months ago
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards So trying to use a Nuke as a "Flak Burst" weapon is ill advised, it's unlikely to hit, the energy is so dispersed it's unlikely to bring down the shields if it does, and there aren't enough nukes aboard a Battlestar to make it count anyhow.
To make matters worse, if there are any Rebel capital ships nearby, the ECM THEY generate would not only make them not show up on DRADIS, but would effectively make DRADIS mere static, where NOTHING would show up, friend or foe.
Perion 9 months ago
@Perion Try the approach of the story I write then. Instead of DRADIS, they have Active Sensor Pulse, which is pretty much RADAR, but instead of sweeping an area, it sends out a pulse, and the signals bounce back. Vipers are so 150,000 years ago, I use the CB-11 Mako Assault Fighter, capable of putting a round through 10 inches of titanium, and can also flip around and move reverse direction in less than .12 seconds., and lets not forget the S.M.A.C.k, or the Super Magnetic Accelerator Cannon,
CatsRuleDogsAreTards 9 months ago
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards so basically your story is all about random stuff you made up and, Halo? "flip around and move reverse direction" Enjoy getting blasted into smitheries, that tactic is actually rather suicidal.
Sorry but I only accept Canon evidence, not fanfiction. Being able to punch through 10 inches of Titanium or using a S.M.A.C.k from Halo means pretty well nothing to the Empire.
Perion 9 months ago
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards Its not really Halo. While it is based around the idea of an alien race trying to wipe out humanity, there are differences. These aren't random facts, these are things I've thought out. This isn't fancy like Star trek, where everything is shiny and new, and it isn't BSG, where every thing is falling apart and under constant attack. The life in 2452 is very much like it is today, but with more futuristic kind of thing.
CatsRuleDogsAreTards 9 months ago
@Perion (Continued from previous) Which fires a magnum round at speeds in excess of 3000 m/s, and by 2452, Ship to Ship nuclear arms are as high as 2.25 megatons. I'm still debating whether to add counter-ECM systems to the Athena class warships used by the Allied Colonial Defense Forces.
CatsRuleDogsAreTards 9 months ago
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards Even worse than that is the effect it has on engine performances, down to roughly 1%. The Vipers/Raptors/Raiders would lose control while The X-wings still maneuver about at Hundreds of Gs, their pilots never feeling it due to the Acceleration Compensators (Star Wars equivilent of Inertial Dampeners).
While a single X-Wing firing Torpedoes/Missiles would obliterate a Battlestar, you don't even want to know what the guns of a Rebel Capital ship can do.
Perion 9 months ago
@Perion Yeah, well I haven't seen a single nuke in Star Wars. Rebel ships fly too closely together.
CatsRuleDogsAreTards 9 months ago
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards That's because they have weaponry that is far more powerful, but releases the energy in a manner which prevents collateral damage. Allowing for use in tight formations and even atmosphere without drastic environmental consequences. The how they achieve this is unknown, but they do.
Lightning bolts are known to release similar energy as tons of TNT, but don't appear to create blasts anywhere near that large, The Sendai Earthquake in Japan released 476 Megatons of energy.
Perion 9 months ago
@Perion Fine, if thats your choice, then okay, but I still say that Adama would own in this fight.
CatsRuleDogsAreTards 9 months ago
@CatsRuleDogsAreTards Again you would be wrong, it's not a choice, it's a fact.
Perion 9 months ago
"Red October standing by!"
CatsRuleDogsAreTards 9 months ago
Data vs R2D2
femalegeek5 9 months ago
@femalegeek5 Data would knock the pickle juice out of R2D2. I know R2D2 doesn't have any pickle juice in him, but Data would beat him up so bad he'd find some.
Gordontrek 9 months ago
@Gordontrek Until R2D2 sprays oil in Data's face and ignites it with his engines...
Perion 9 months ago
@Perion HA! Data is Fire Resistant.... He'll just crush it like a tin can....
julsf14 9 months ago
@julsf14 Based on? Sorry but I cannot recall any episode where Data was shown to be immune to fire. Even if that were the case however, R2 has a fun little trick involving his Taser like weapon. Zap Data in the Eye and he'll short out his positronic net.
Besides this argument is pretty flawed from the getgo, we're talking about a general purpose (and primitve) human replica droid who's practically unique (aside from Lore, the even more primitive B4, and the slightly more advanced Juliana)
Perion 9 months ago
Against a, while an exceptional example, Maintenence Droid from a mass produced line which undoubtedly outnumber the entirety of the Federation. You might as well say Data vs Exocomp or something like that.
A more fitting Comparison would be Data vs Guri, though Guri would soundly defeat him.
Perion 9 months ago
@Perion Data was a cheap Cylon.
CatsRuleDogsAreTards 9 months ago
The Federation has grown to powerful, they must be destroyed.
jonldavis 9 months ago
Destroy the Federation and restore freedom through the galaxy.
jonldavis 9 months ago
why would the rebels attack starfleet
simbanoel1 10 months ago
@simbanoel1 Probably something to do with their Prime Directive sometimes being used as an excuse to commit Genocide by inaction. Or any other reason a Capitalist Democracy (Republic) would attack/be hostile to a Socialist Communist Nation (Federation)
Perion 9 months ago
I am both a star wars AND a star trek fan!
CommanderCarsten 10 months ago
To bad everyone in star wars would think that the Federation is the Trade Federation :/
NonstopRam 10 months ago
@NonstopRam That would suck for the feds.
Perion 10 months ago
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Victor4815 10 months ago
dis video is shit STAR TREK must win
USSVoyager100 10 months ago
@USSVoyager100 Except that would be completely unrealistic given the massive advantages Star Wars has over it.
Perion 10 months ago
720 Star Wars fans 599 Star Trek fans.
ServitorSanctum7 11 months ago
In Star Wars they enslave sentient beings. Data would have something to say about that. Primitive capitalists!
Quackenzeboots 11 months ago
@Quackenzeboots most Droids aren't sentient, they just have the illusion of sentience, the only exception to this are HRDs, and even they vary based on their design. of course the same could be said for The Doctor and Vic Fontaine, they aren't really sentient, just have the illusion of it. Data may be sentient thanks to his positronic brain, but he's basically a primitive HRD.
Empire have slave races (though they denied these races the classification of "sentient" to justify it).
Perion 11 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath, what's so horrible about the Federation? A lot of people seem to object to it because Federation citizens' main purpose is not to buy more stuff than the next guy. Hopefully we'll all evolve beyond consumerdom one day.
Quackenzeboots 11 months ago
@Quackenzeboots watch?v=7_ZbVk_Dh9E Other problems include lack of ownership, I mean it's one thing to have people not want to buy more than the next guy, but in the Federation you can't buy anything at all.
Interestingly humanity in star trek HAS NOT evolved past those sorts of thing, otherwise the disaster on Turkana IV wouldn't have happened.
What does the Federation do? wipe their hands and walk away Pontius Pilate style.
Perion 11 months ago
I'm not saying the Federation is a Dystopia and the Empire a Utopia, I AM saying that the Federation is NOT a Utopia, nor is the Empire a Dystopia (at least, if you are Human.)
Perion 11 months ago
@Quackenzeboots Eh, taking children to battle zones, abandoning Federal planets which are in need of social and economical aid (if I remember correctly), letting people die because the Prime Directive says they can't interfere, and a few other things I can't remember right know.
onlypeaceindeath 11 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath They seem to have a very selective application of the prime directive. xD I think it's called hypocrisy.
Nonamearisto 8 months ago
I love both trek and wars,however star wars is fantasy,star trek is real science,they have the time travel,wormholes and parallel universe thing going on and they are real science hypthoseis just ask Dr Michio Kaku
stars wars is like harry potter and lord of the rings,light sabbers,the force etc are fiction/fantasy it is not like wormholes and blackholes where are hypotectcally possible
most science geeks will chose trek.and most literature/fiction geeks will choose wars
1bulma1 11 months ago
@1bulma1 Star Trek is just as much fantasy as Star Wars. They have ghosts but gives them technobabble descriptions, they constantly uses bad science such as "subatomic bacteria" and "crack in the event horizon" on a black hole etc. Star Trek is far from real science.
onlypeaceindeath 11 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath As a science student I know both trek &wars and bliv me trek is strictly science fiction, pls watch the universe episodes on the history channel,things like space diving,wormholmes,time travel,are at the fore front of real science and could be possible in the distant future.
light sabers can never exist, there can be no such thing as the force,it is simply fantasy
wormholes time travel are hypothesis possible trough Einstein theory of special and general relativity
1bulma1 11 months ago
@1bulma1 And yet they butcher terminology, they constantly invent new forms of particles and gives already existing materials unrealistic properties. Also, Star Trek still have omnipotent beings and ghosts. So what makes it more scientificly accurate than Star Wars? Star Wars do also have possible devices such as droids and ion thrusters, so maybe it should also be considered Science fiction.
onlypeaceindeath 11 months ago
@onlypeaceindeath pls wtach the universe ;science fact science fiction I would conclude by saying entertainment wise star wars is the better series, intellectual wise star trek is the better series.
anybody and everybody can enjoy star wars because the story is straight forward...not everybody can understand talk less of enjoy quantum mechanics and science hypothesis
1bulma1 11 months ago
@1bulma1 I would say that they are both equally good in entertainment. I used to watch alot of TNG and Voyager. But I would hardly call Star Trek intellectual, considering how horrible the Federation actually is and the scientific inaccuracy. But that's for TNG and Voyager. I haven't seen much of the original show, so I'm not going to say anything about it.
onlypeaceindeath 11 months ago
This never gets old :]
RobinApprentice 1 year ago
Shoud've made it in two parts to improve the resolution. Great stuff though. Wish you had thrown some Klingons and stuff in there too and make it a right melee!
moogug 1 year ago
5:39, God speed, red leader.
Supersmashodsts8 1 year ago
@Supersmashodsts8 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." 2 John 1:9-11
Enoch2 1 year ago
honestly after reading some of the comments for this vid I was expecting a comment replying war of sorts trying to prove to each oppositing fan why they think star trek or star wars is better lmao
my opinion I think Star Wars have better storylines but I like i'm into star trek NG more for they sometimes deal "what if"questions that make me think, but not a hardcore fan of either really
VayuPurana 1 year ago
STAR WARS FUCK TRECKIES THEY ARE NO MATCH FOR THE POWER OF THE FORCE
HTOWNFINESTNS 1 year ago
@HTOWNFINESTNS the force is fiction,star trek is real science....real science trumps fantasy.
1bulma1 11 months ago
@1bulma1 The Force can be explained "scientifically" via string theory. Lightsabers are no more fantasy than allot of the silly magicteck you see in Trek.
Perion 11 months ago
I think only one thing would settle the score. Literally. Put one full orchestra at one end of the pitch, and another at the other end. The other one plays Jerry Goldsmith, the other one plays John Williams.
Simpson654 1 year ago
@Simpson654 LOL! I like it!
Thisguy1313 1 year ago
I still don't think these little shit wings and pee-wings could take out 3 federation starships. I don't ever see that happening. At least not in the context this video makes it appear. But don't get me wrong, I could die a happy, regretless sci-fi fan if they did a ST & SW crossover movie. And it was like 4 hours long. Wolf 359 / Dominion war meets the Battle over Endor against a new threat to the universe. That'd be the greatest movie ever made...
Thisguy1313 1 year ago
@Thisguy1313 your right those little tiny ships are no mattch for the federation
robee789 1 year ago
@robee789 If ur talking about the federation of Star trek are UMADMON! Have u seen 'em Star ships? that star wars has?
UhklySwag 7 months ago
@Thisguy1313 Depends on whether you're using a B-wing or something else. Anything else other than a bigger ship probably wouldn't make a dent. It's depends on whether the shields on Star Trek and withstand the bombs and torpedoes of Star Wars. XD
DeltaPhi79 1 year ago
@DeltaPhi79 I can agree, somewhat. until both adversaries and their individual capabilities are defined in specifics it's just my opinion. You'd think that it would have to be something like a capitol ship to have an even chance against a federation starship. The scale is more plausible.
Thisguy1313 1 year ago
@Thisguy1313 Well, the so called Star Wars Wiki "Wookieepedia" (It's pretty valid...) can tell you quite a bit about what that can do... We just need a good Star Trek one and then we could decide what would happen. To be honest, I think they'd be evenly matched.
DeltaPhi79 1 year ago
Here's the thing. I'd say we can all agree that probably any ship in the Scifi-verse (With exceptions) could be destroyed by a direct hit from the DS. Okay, but the fact that a federation ship has the massive advantage of maneuverability over the DS. Even the rebels had to take the shield down in order to get to the reactor chamber in ROTJ. That assumed, a Tri-lithium, or a Genesis device beamed into the reactor chamber and detonated would definitely destroy it. Just like any old mini fighter.
Thisguy1313 1 year ago
This would make more sense if 1) it was the empire attacking, and 2) stuck with a single enterprise crew then more then one generation.
TyphonPlume 1 year ago
well, think about it. A huge starship hitting another huge starship, causing a chain reaction that blows the main reactor. That destroys a starship. A few small bolts of energy does not!
Startrekboy1138 1 year ago
@Startrekboy1138 Useless design on the ship then. It couldn't even be considered a crash. If that was enough to cause the main reactor to go supernova then the federation shouldn't build any ships at all. Hell, a Venator class Star Destroyer can nosedive into a planet with a speed of a few kilometers a second and not explode, and even better the crew survived that crash too.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
@onlypeaceindeath That is beside the point, the original comment was that A few small bolts of energy can NOT shut down the main reactor. That's like saying a non-explosive shell fired at an aircraft carrier will shut down the boilers.
Startrekboy1138 1 year ago
@Startrekboy1138 The fact is still that if it took that little to cause the main reactor to blow up, then those small bolts of energy is most likely able to cause such catastrophic failure in the reactor too.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
@onlypeaceindeath Wha? English please?
Startrekboy1138 1 year ago
@Startrekboy1138 Just look at that "crash". Didn't require much to casuse that chain reaction, so what do you think would happen if a bolt with thousands if not millions of time the energy scores a direct hit on the Enterprise.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
oh come on! One hit to disable the warp core??!!?!?
Startrekboy1138 1 year ago
@Startrekboy1138 That's very realistic. What episode was it where Enterprise blew up when another ship barely scratched one of its warp nacelles?
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
@onlypeaceindeath That was because the Enterprise had it's shields Down, and barley scratched is a exaggeration. I forget the episode, it was on TV very recently though.
Startrekboy1138 1 year ago
@Startrekboy1138 I looked it up. It was the episode "Cause and effect". And it did barely touch the warp nacelle at all.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
Why is it always the good guys from one universe vs. the good guys from another universe?
dixievfd55 1 year ago
Star Trek always owns in morals and civilization. And that is what matters. Not the biggest stick :)
baronsengir187 1 year ago
@baronsengir187 lol star trek is for extreme nerds and star wars is for just plain nerds
legoindyshortround 1 year ago
@legoindyshortround And i think "extreme" nerd is a very nice compliment :) Thanks
baronsengir187 1 year ago
@baronsengir187 yeah
legoindyshortround 1 year ago
haha
very nice
and "realistic" too
Delta2357 1 year ago
nice ;)
Bird1612 1 year ago
Oh , and Star Wars ships have no navigational shields, so they have to go around every rock they see :\
Austindude3954 1 year ago
@Austindude3954 actually that's not true, they can either blast the rocks, or fly through them with their main shields up, they don't bother with navigational shields at sublight because the main shields are more than sufficient, and in Star Wars raising shields is not considered a sign of aggression, though if some strange ship raises shields another ship will raise them as well, be it due to the one ship planning to attack or seeing something's coming that the other ship doesn't.
Perion 1 year ago
@Austindude3954
TESB has an ISD both vaporizing any asteroid that strayed too close, and shields that took them head on without changing course in the slightest.
Of course, the asteroids were probably bigger and faster than what is seen in Star Trek.
iherduliekthem 1 year ago
oh btw, if you want a good look at original series Enterprise shielding and weapons, we can do so. In the TOS episode "Nomad", they withstood a weapon that was the equivalent of 90 of their Photon Torpedoes, but they also feared nuclear weapons hidden in debris by Romulans in "Balance of Terror." Enough to take evasive action. And they tried to run away from a nuke in another episode, but they got hit and took pretty severe damage. I will try to find the episode. Analysis will continue however.
Amann0407 1 year ago
@Amann0407
(Enterprise Analysis continued)
If anything, the fact that they were scared and was even damaged by a nuke would suggest that a nuclear weapon is significantly more powerful than a photon torpedo if dialogue is anything to go by.
Amann0407 1 year ago
@Amann0407
(enterprise analysis continued)
I should correct that one statement. The episode i believe was "Patterns of Force", but they shot the nuke down. They wouldn't have done so if there was no real danger to a ship. The very fact they shot it down would suggest it was a serious threat. However, they did take battle damage from the nuke in Balance of Terror episode.
Amann0407 1 year ago
@Amann0407 Worf :"They are locking...lasers on us..." Riker: "Lasers?" Picard: "Lasers cant even penetrate the navigational shields dont they know that?" Riker: "Regulations...do call for yellow alert ,sir..." Picard: "Very old regulation, very well make it so" ........... :3
Austindude3954 1 year ago
@Austindude3954 Ah yes the outragous Outragous Okona quote.
Funny how the VERY NEXT EPISODE destroys all it's credibility as meaning L.A.S.E.R.s of any power, making it perfectly clear that it was only the L.A.S.E.R.s on the ship in question..
It still doesn't change the fact that Imperial weapons aren't L.A.S.E.R.s as they function nothing like them, and the modern use of the word Laser is about as specific as Ray Gun so yeah.
Perion 1 year ago
@Austindude3954
I love it when they use the Okana Quote, because a Trekkie shows they don't even know what a laser pointer is.
Tell me, Austin, what properties of IRL Lasers, do SW Turbolasers have in common? If you came up with one, I slap you mentally.
iherduliekthem 1 year ago
@iherduliekthem It's even better when they Ignore the "Loud as a whisper" quote, which Picard feels so strongly that L.A.S.E.R. wielding hostiles would endanger his ship, that he refuses to take Riva to them unless they have a cease fire.
And "Loud as a whisper" aired right after "Outragous Okona" completely blowing the No L.A.S.E.R.s Fallacy away