There is no way to reduce Reality to words. We reduce it to concepts and make it seem limited and think we understand it but we don't. Even "within" and "without" are but feeble attempts to describe what cannot ever be described. Please enjoy believing that you know anything while you still can.
It is impossible to reconcile the concept of an all powerful loving God with the horrors of human existence. The answer is, there is no God in the outer picture. The Master's teaching is crystal clear: "My Kingdom is NOT of this world." and, "The Kingdom of Heaven is within YOU." Now, there is no way to "prove" this to another. it doesn't work that way. When the spiritual identity of an individual reveals itself within him and is accepted, the life is transformed.
@marc5lake It doesn't work 'cos it's bollocks. I am in the world, so if god is really within me then it is also within the world as well. The idea of god is the single most outrageously ridiculous idea ever invented. You deluded theists never think anything through at all.
Your ranting is reaching ignorant and unfathomable proportions again, just as they always do when you are losing, you are drowning and gasping for air. I see abslolutely no point in this when you continue to stretch things beyond reasonable limits. I will now look for someone to talk, who at least is sensable. I refuse to do a battle of wits, with an unarmed person. You live here because you must, I dont.
@Neodoxian no son it makes perfect sense - you cannot accept it because you are in fact deluded into a fantasy life to fantasy gods - You cannot accept it, because it goes against your church programming. Stop being a tool to a mega billion dollar corporation and think for yourself instead of some BOOK you never bothered to read
@Neodoxian RE: “Obviously, you fear the truth. the truth will set you free,” >< Yes, the truth is “death”, & it will set you free.
You see Neo-dude, we are all born “terminal”. I know that is what you fear because you embrace a belief that you absolutely can’t prove its true, & don’t care that is not true. It’s a placebo in that aspect of helping you accept the fact that you’ll become filthy landfill.
I’ve given you the truth; now you are free Neo-dude.
@Neodoxian You cannot talk rationally nor intellectually - all you do is THREATEN with imaginary fates of imaginary sky pixies - tell me is all you do is threaten each other in that cult of yours? I mean seriously where's forgiveness, and Forgiving thine enema - all I see is THREAT THREAT THREAT
@Neodoxian "As the rivers flow to the sea, so my own will come to me." Your comments here are not universally rejected. Be at peace, fellow traveler! Whatever detours may delay us, we are all going Home.
@Neodoxian let's try your "JE$U$" rationally - lets look at the specific cult YOU belong to to them - Only 1 cult to this set of sky pixies of over 32,000 main branches to these sky pixies currently known, and tens of thousands of variations of those branches. Tell me son Is ALL of these branches "SAVED" or just YOURS? or is some "SAVED" and some Not, give me an approx percentage based upon 32,000 branches - and note to include all of this you must add Satanists, jehovahs witnesses, mormons etc
@graffffik Jesus told us there would be many false prophets, all you have done is verified his words, thanks for that. Still his Gospel is in every corner of this earth, and you and your kind come and go as they have for thousands of years, with some ebbs and failures also. Atheists are nothing new, history shows ups and downs, God said it also. Only proving the reality of what Jesus said, nothing else.
@Neodoxian YOUR BIBLE is "FALSE PROPHECIES" John 3:16 - failed by the BILLIONS double that failure for BOTH PARTS fail - course you will change it to "SPIRITUAL DEATH" which is utterly meaningless AND "END TIMES" all of it completely failed - for it was to happen while JE$U$ was ALIVE - we know it didn't FAIL FAIL FAIL - your bible authors are false prophets - the book needs to be burned
@graffffik I have shown here many times why you are wrong about the end times as you claim Jesus said during his life, that was about his resurrection, not end times. The end times was in another part, where he told the disciples they would die, and many other things that the future had to bring B4 his second return , after resurrection. i will place the notes obn you info page, but would you read them YES you will, OR NO you wont. Will you read the notes?
so @Neodoxian based on your "TESTIMONY" the only thing that makes you believe in these sky pixies is "FEAR" that they are so incontinent, and so impotent , that they must rely on Human basic emotions in order to believe them and a Billions of times altered book - you don't believe in them based on "FACTS" you believe them because of fear, and in case of churches THREATS - this is in fact no way to follow an all powerful being - as i told you - invite him over for tea- we'll talk rationally
@graffffik Fear, of what ? Eternal life or the promises of a better life after death?? Your the one who fears God, I have allready proven that. As that time comes closer, you will likely be like Hitchens, adament to the end, because to accept God then would be like putting the rope on your own neck and pulling the cord,TOO LATE SHERLOCK. When you face God, what will you do? Cry???
@Neodoxian Again with the fear bullsh!t "believe in my sky pixies or suffer forever" - Your sky pixies are so pathetic they require idiots like you to threaten people into believing in them - Using Psychological warfare on people into forcing them to believe as you do - Read the tripe you post - it is THREATS plain and simple - and all the churches do this. have your gods come by for a cup of tea, we'll discuss their existence like rational human beings
The real problem is that as human beings we think we have a right to exist, and we don't, because what seems to be a human being isn't that at all. Individuality is real, and is not human, but spiritual. Whatever may be "fixed" humanly is at best temporary. The same fate awaits all of humanity, without exception.
The fact remains the bible is a TABLOID of events of people who DID NOT witness the events described - NOT A SINGLE ONE in fact of people like "JOHN" Was not even alive during the life of said "messiah" and was an anonymous roman prisoner simply passing various notes to guards - All authors writing about JE$U$ were in fact NOT ALIVE during the time - Then there was billions of alterations and editings after this
Tell me how much credibility do you place on 4th to infinity hand accounts?
For me to actually know if I am being irrational, can you explain to me all the known patterns of the universe and give me examples of how the bible contradicts itself.
@xxJuanVsWildxx The bible is 100% "CONTRADICTION" however let's look at the NT only for a sec - 3 different authors have a different "birth date" to this imaginary being - 3 different authors have a different "death date" to this imaginary being
Then we have this so-called "god" preaching temperance and forgiveness in one part - another he orders you to go buy swords and KILL PEOPLE (Yes JE$U$)
We have Shepherds, Magi AND "wise men" all witnessing his birth depending on author
"known patterns to the universe" = WHO THE HADES CARES - it's here now - no reason to worry about it - Your churches program this idea into you in order to get "non believers" to "SHUT UP" and to allow you to interject "Because My gods did it" NO it does not mean that and stop worrying about it - Even if I had the answer for it You wouldn't accept it - so why the Hades bother?
@graffffik "known patterns of the universe" is what the one guy told me. This whole paragraph really wasn't needed, you could have just said you didn't know.
@xxJuanVsWildxx I know how the universe was formed based upon science - However same thing applies - WHO THE HELL CARES.
Jesus DEATH on 3 DIFFERENT DATES - In the bible Mark 15:42 - Day before "The Passover" - John 19:31 - on "The Passover" - Matthew 12:40 3 days BEFORE the "passover"
Matthew 12:40 said 3 days BEFORE the "passover" as - in dead for 3 days before it
Here's some OTHER contradictions Luke 24:51 JE$U$ Ascends in Bethany, on the same day as his resurrection. Acts 1:9-12, Mount olive 40 days after his resurrection
And JE$U$ is the disciple of "JOHN THE BAPTIST" not vica versa - for JOHN baptized JE$U$ making JOHN his "preacher"
@xxJuanVsWildxx try from THE BEGINNING - and DO NOT read it with pre-conceived ideas brought to you by the mega-trillion dollar corporation called "THE CHURCH" - actually read it - We need more atheists - And reading the bible is one sure fire way of doing that
@graffffik My church is not at all wealthy and it is a spanish church and I do not speak spanish, so I have no preconceived ideas. I agree with you about how some churches are in the business for money. What about the atheists who read the bible and become christian.
@xxJuanVsWildxx Whatever little pi$s ant church you belong to has tie-ins with the mega trillion dollar corperation
How "Atheists Become Christians"
ALL people are "atheists" in the beginning becoming a Christian must be taught, or emotionally manipulated into a person - You do not slip from the womb yelling "Hail JE$U$" or "Hail Allah" or "Hail Buddha" in fact being a creationist in fact IS NOT a natural state in life - being an "ATHEIST" or "without gods" is
@graffffik I became Christian with nobody telling me or making me become one. To me it just makes sense that God exists from my experiences in my life. About the Atheists who turn Christian, I meant the hardcore atheists who suddenly turn christian. To you does some of the other ideas how the universe began make sense?
@xxJuanVsWildxx the answer to the universe again is "WHO THE HELL CARES" that's your answer the answer is NOT absolutely not "GOD" did it - "GOD" all gods are plagiarized myths of previous gods before them - they the gods DO NOT EXIST - because they are nothing but old gods re-packaged into brand new gods with fancy new fables, and fancy new churches. In short your gods do not exist because they are POPULAR MYTHS
@graffffik The preaching service is in spanish but the sunday school lessons are in english. One thing I do not get, is why some people say reading the bible can turn you atheist and yet some atheist who read it turn christian and vice versa. Some atheists say christians are illogical when some of the christians they call illogical used to be hardcore atheists. To me it seems illogical and pointless to argue with each other.
@graffffik All are Atheists fails, beginning with you. Its obvious your soul prods you to be here and the reasons are so simple its rediculous. You have been attempting to remove God from your own mind, but your souls and Spirit will not release you, because that is connected to God until your death. Prove me wrong. leave and don`t return. The History of the world has God in it, and that will remain until the end, where Judgement, including yours decides if you lose your soul
@Neodoxian FALSE - never in my life did I recognize your Incredibly insane ASSHAT JE$U$ as "God" a "god" or "the God" in fact even as a Christian "GOD" was that mass-murderous completely insane being god of "MOSES" However eventually found it all to be bullsh!t based upon FACTS - My "SOUL" doesn't prod me to rebel against cre-tards such as you Common sense, decency, and HUMANITY does to stop the sheer BULLSH!T of this religion
@graffffik Atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God.
Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God. You see i was a nonbeliever at one time, and nobody twisted my arm. Christians do not harm anyone except those who are afraid of the possibility that God exists. There is NO other reason than that to continue your attacks. I finally found the truth that you cannot find. Obviously you find yourself unnaceptable. Sad
@Neodoxian There absolutely is no "GOD" - because you are in fact defining "GOD" as a plagiarized myth of a specific character in a specific book that is not even the "GOD" of that book - except if you give delusional nonsense stories - that only make sense to YOU and idiots like you. And based on FACTS all the stories of this book you are referring to to begin with is nothing but STOLEN STORIES of other gods and deities
CONT - Is there any creature / entity / supreme being(s) Known as "GODS" - ABSOLUTELY NOT - Because these are also defined by RELIGION - Pre-conceived ideas of plagiarized myths, popular fables of The sun, and the moon, and passed down defunct mythologies
BESIDES - if there ever was a creator of the universe you'd have less value to it than an atom, of an atom
@Neodoxian NONE Whatsoever - Hey there is one possibility - You telepathically communicate with them, and make demands of them all the time - next time You talk to your sky pixies - have them come on over and tell me they exist IN PERSON, and none of this "out of the corner of my eye" bullsh!t. Full personal Visitation, have them come on over and sup some tea with me to prove they exist first hand.
@graffffik If you want God, you have to make the move. I have seen the devil, and God rescued me from him. As I said I was an unbeliever , and my eyes were opened by terror. If that ever happens to you, and it may, you may have to swallow your foolish pride and receive the peace your so desparate for. You cant find God in your life for the same reasons a theif cannot find a policeman.
@Neodoxian Nope it doesn't work that way you can change the passage to swap ANY god with terms like "ALLAH" "BUDDHA" "VISHNU" "KRISHNA" "THE SUN" you name it
also the "devils" with terms like SET, SETH, Mephistopheles, Beelzebub, Mephysto, LOKI, you name it - all these and thousands of them like it can be filled in the same event with equal likelihood of being real - NO - your gods ALL OF THE COMBINED - have been gods less than 1 % of humanity And that includes the JEWISH GODS
@graffffik Why swap OLD and no longer even spoken of Gods, except by such as you. You do not seem to realize that YOU are a large minority. There are 7 Billion Bibles, and Jesus`s Gospel is in virtually every nation, just as Jesus said. And you can talk for years , but that simple but very real truth will remain until the end of time. Jesus and a few fishermen changed the world, with nothing but his words, and you cant handle that truth.
@Neodoxian NO pay attention - 32,000 DIFFERENT JE$U$ES - Tell me son do you claim all 32,000 plus main branches of "Christianity" equally worshiping "the right Gods" - And remember Alot of these include CATHOLICS, Agnostics, Mormons, SATANISTS, and so on - for you must accept all these as EQUAL to define all the "Christians" upon this planet - including Black Je$U$es, people being worshiped as JE$U$es (real people) and the thousands of variations
@graffffik Then we find OVER 4 billion people on this planet DO NOT subscribe to any "JE$U$" at all - in fact there are more "Muslims" than Christians as a whole - what about them - why is your gods creating over 3/4ths of the planet to always HATE and DESPISE THEM?
@graffffik B4 I go, anyone can read the statistics on religions, that is except you. There are 2.2 billiopn Christians, and still growing. There are 1.6 billion Muslims (same God) . All the rest are shrinking daily, including muslims,. There are many converting to Christianity, but in muslim countries they must hide it, because they are threatened with death. korea now has more Christians than Buddahists, and China will be the largest Christian nation in 10 years. End of story.
@Neodoxian Can you prove to me "RA" did not "create the universe"? he in fact did so according to "The Egyptians" at least 4,000 Plus years before YOUR GODS did - So is "RA" real? What about "The Sun" The Sun created the universe well over 10,000 years before all your gods did - prove to me the SUN is not the supreme god of the universe
- After awhile once you think of this logically and with reason - you find these things just STORIES - as in BULLSH!T
@graffffik Science claims. According to Quantum physics consciousness collapses wave functions and thereby creates reality. Subatomic particles do not assume definite properties when it interacts with a measuring device UNLESS the reading of that measuring device is registered in the mind of an observer. So the universe could not exist without an observer,And objects remain in a state of actuality,ONLY so long as they are being observed.So God was necessary in the beginning.
@Neodoxian SCIENCE in case of "Creation Science" also says there are oceans of water high up in the sky between us and space (youtube Kent Hovind for an example of his insane babblings) Now "Science" is not always right, however if a reasonable story from it comes up I will accept it, But i will not Worship that Idea, nor pray to it, nor devote my life to it. If a better idea comes up I'll accept it - If a bullsh!t idea comes up from science I won't
@graffffik The oceans of water may have been prevalent on earth, above the earth in the same way that are now evident on other moons and planets, Totally blocking our view of the surfaces and extreme pressures do not allow those waters to reach the surfaces of the orbs, according to recent discoveries. However you may call that insane Science does not. If anyone is babbling, you are.
@graffffik It has been observed that God or many cultures had their own cultures definitions of Gods. However The Hebrew God said, Have no other Gods before me. and where are those other Gods NOW? You fail by default, as they no longer exist, so in fact I do not have to prove it, YOU DO. Its your soul and eternal life your giving up. Are you thinking "If God is not anything is permissable?. Thats a defeated attitude.
- In YOUR OPINION" you interpret a "GOD" says things based upon a book that had NO EYE WITNESSES to said "GOD" that has been edited billions of times over - that mirrors popular fables and folklore of previous gods
in Short - PROVE YOUR GOD EXISTS before you can claim they "SAID" or "DID" anything
@graffffik No eye witnesses, TODAY, no. But there were many writers and thousands of years of historical documents. Edited, but as the many documents show, they remain the same for all purposes as per experts. and when carefully examined, will not be found sufficient to invalidate their testimony.
@Neodoxian FAIL - No bible author witnessed ANY EVENT of any MESSIAH - AT ALL none were alive during the events described AT ALL based upon the fables of "THE MESSIAH" in fact they did not first start writing about him till about 30 or more years after the death date - And even then these first writers did not call that messiah JE$U$ and DID NOT include the fables you know today - all these fables are from undermentioned EDITINGS
@AtheistToothFairy If you read the comments you would know that a atheist told me that when he was telling me how belief in God is irrational. Tell the person who told me that, that the phrase is meaningless.
Perhaps if you had bothered to quote me, we would have known it was directed at me. It's not like I magically (gasp) know when someone replies to a comment of mine unless they actually hit "reply".
You consider belief in something that denies all known patterns of the universe, which you have never seen or spoken to, which has characteristics that invalidate eachother, from a book that contradicts itself, to be rational?
@xxJuanVsWildxx "How have I disregarded rationality by believing in God?"
Consider your god. He's a murderous ego maniac who drowns children. Then there is his kid. A man/god who was born of a virgin, walked on water, died for your sins, rose from the dead and may grant you vicarious redemption. Only if you don't believe in such absurdities then it's eternal torment in hell courtesy of the all loving, compassionate forgiving god.
I can see that no matter what I say isnt going to change your mind, and what you say isn't going to change mine. Therefore I shall save my time and energy. The truth will all be known some day I just hope you find it before its too late.
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Healing depends on the faith of those praying and the one being prayed for! The bible says that you have to have faith of a mustard seed meaning once your belief is planted inside of you an explosion of growth must occur and then anything is possible. Therefore healing first off relies on people!
I am a Christian and I do have a college degree, I can honestly say I can answer every one of these questions with a logical answer. Those who don't see the truth behind it, is because you choose not to see it. I can't make you believe in God but I do pray that he has a serious impact on your life, if he doesn't it's because you won't accept him into your life. In no way is it his fault.
@kkayNbritt1816 RE: “I am a Christian and I do have a college degree, I can honestly say I can answer every one of these questions with a logical answer” >< Really? BYU?
Impressive, then by all means share your logical answers!
THE MEHDI that comes when earth is filled with evil on the land has emerged, My channel has the link you will need to to watch the new movie THE ARRIVED made by a film maker who is now a follower of the MEHDI peace be upon him.
@ImitateTheBestQueen OH shove your Qu'ran Propaganda up your arse - Muhammad did nothing but alter Jewish texts then order you to go kill jews - the jewish texts are complete bullsh!t let alone the altered new forms by Muhammad and his fakirs
Your Qu'ran and fakir Muhammad's stories are just as real as "The Bible" and the bible is complete BULLSH!T
LOL, the second you use a "poll" from World News Daily (fundamentalist paper) in your "reasoning"... you lost me, what a joke, not they also give no reference to the "poll" as question as usual, WND is the biggest bullshit machine after the discovery institute... fail.
@elplucco Kill someone to save someone?? Besides, you are aware that HIV wasn't an issue until just recently and that heterosexual sex is just as dangerous?
@elplucco I know. You just merely said he is not going to answer the prayers of and for starving people because it is "our responsibility". But if you want your arthritis to be cured, pray away. Did you miss that point in the video? Yes you did.
It is man's responsibility to feed the starving and you and I are encouraged to pray for help in doing so.because God answers prayer and will help you if you start to do good. Look at Jesus' example: He didn't just pray but he also feeded the 3000 and the 5000.
You mean if we start parachuting bags of millet down upon the starving so that they can be fortified, god will then step in, and only then, and help too?
I am honest, honestly, and I know, by experience: God exists!
I have been in the opposite corner, but I found out that there is love, coming from a loving God. Love that cannot be measured or weighed or by any scientific method defined. Yet, it is there and its Creator is alive and speaking to my spirit, in love and peace. Far more exciting than anything else is His love. And I'm fond of science, but Gods love beats it by far. By the way, God is also fond of science.
If you don't believe there is a God, don't you wonder what the rulers of the USA are doing when they sacrifice human-like items to a 40 ft high statue of an owl at the bohemian grove?
@elplucco RE: “outside the box, as in "lies", or the so-called Gnossis?” >< Lies? If your Bible is what’s “in the box” , then It’s comprised of elements outside of the box. So, if the elements out side of the box are “lies”, then what’s in the box is a complete “lie”. Yes; I love logic.
Ma'am, you made a very specific claim, "it is our job to feed the hungry" meaning that god leaves that job solely to us. Then you say that god WILL assist if we begin good works on our own. Both can't be true.
Which is your position? God intervenes under specific circumstances or god leaves it completely to us to fee the hungry?
You can make your stance very clear with a direct answer instead of offering up the cryptic answer you just did.
@elplucco How does mumbling to an invisible supernatural being feed the hungry? Why would anyone be interested in the imaginary blessing of an imaginary, allegedly loving and giving god? Especially one who works through the gullible minds of indoctrinated believers? An imaginary murderous ego maniac god as well. One that drowns innocent children? The concept of gods is peddled through people who are essentially cultists who's main charge is to recruit more cultists. It's a business.
Hmmm. I'm already feeding the hungry so I don't need any motivation to do so. What sort of "support" or "means" could god provide me in my efforts to feed the hungry?
@elplucco "starving people". Thank you for confirming that god never answers prayers for anyone who is starving. Pray for Aunt Lucy to have a safe flight but if Aunt Lucy is down on her luck and starving one day, god won't be proofing a free hamburger coupon to blow up against her leg in a parking lot.
You see, it is impossible for humans to make life. It is just too difficult. So to state it happened some long time ago when the rain fell on the rocks, the rocks turned into soup and the soup came alive, is just an attempt to hide the impossibility of life emerging out of chaos.
If it can happen by accident, it can be done on purpose.
You try rolling two dices to score double six, twenty times in a row.
Then I will easily put those dices twenty times on purpose so by hand.
I can make some calculations, and there is no way for any person to make new life, say a human, consisting of say 100.000 different proteines, some as long as 30.000 amino-acids, that will work together to maintain and reproduce, oh, by the way, we need a female too.
You are way out of your league to try that. Better leave those things to God.
Have you ever considered the existence of satan by the way?
We all know that radio, cars and TV are incredibly important as scientific products,
OK, did you look at your hand, your head, your eyes, your skin, each one of them incredibly important to you, more than any scientific product. They were not made by science. You believe they came into existence by chance. I believe they were created by someone superior to it. Now I present the law of El Plucco: if something can originate by chance, it can surely be made on purpose by man.
Question 4: Does the Bible contain scientific nonsense? And then this man simply states that - the world is not created in 6 days, the flood didn.t happen, Jona never was inside the big fish and Adam wasn't created from dust.
As if you were there when it happened!
Why are there seashells on mount Everest? Why did the Colorado river stream uphill to make the grand Canyon? Because there was a BIG BIG flood mister!, Thats why there is no erosion found between the visible layers at Grand Canyon.
So you are saying that the Himalaya were below sea level at the time there was life in the sea. After that, the Himalaya rose, and the shells did not erode.
question 3: Why must wrongdoers be killed? This is not applicable in the new covenant made by Jesus. But still, God knew where the problems began and that's where they had to pull the brake. That law didn't demand gay people to be killed, but only those who practised it. Homosexual intercourse still puts many people at risk!
But now: Jesus points at the deeper source: sin comes from wrong thoughts that dwell in your heart, that is where you must be healed, not by outward restriction.
Of course not, because that would mean that god himself would actually have to lift a finger to HELP and that would clearly reveal this hiding childish deity of yours to the entire world and we just can't have that kind of exposed god, now can we @@
So, God does heal amputees, because He heals lepers, and they are missing bodyparts.
In the Bible you'll find a report on Jesus healing ten lepers simultaneously.Do you think they were so extremely happy because their bodies were still mutilated? The Bible says: they were made whole.
So it is not true to state that we all know that God doesn't heal amputees.
Is this still happening nowadays?
Read "how to touch a leper" by Paul Olson, good for you!!!!
Why don't you read the account in the Bible and believe it, or why don't you read the book I mentioned and believe it? Because you are not eager to accept that there is a God.
So, you will not believe me either if i brought you ten prayer-healed persons.
The point in the video is that Christians, who believe in the Bible, must come up with an explanation. That is the challenge, and the maker of the video accepts the Bible as valid, since he quotes from it.
I am challenged to come up with an excuse, because the author thinks he found discrepancies in the Bible. But there is no need for an excuse because I proved the Bible to be consistent whereas the author states it isn't.
Therefor I met the challenge.
I am allowed to use the Bible in my defense whether you believe it or not, and whether the author believes it or not.
There is no way to reduce Reality to words. We reduce it to concepts and make it seem limited and think we understand it but we don't. Even "within" and "without" are but feeble attempts to describe what cannot ever be described. Please enjoy believing that you know anything while you still can.
marc5lake 17 minutes ago
@marc5lake " Please enjoy believing that you know anything while you still can "
- Right back at ya.
( incidentally... the rest of us know that you don't know anything... we just let you believe what you want, to keep you happy )
Roper122 36 seconds ago
It is impossible to reconcile the concept of an all powerful loving God with the horrors of human existence. The answer is, there is no God in the outer picture. The Master's teaching is crystal clear: "My Kingdom is NOT of this world." and, "The Kingdom of Heaven is within YOU." Now, there is no way to "prove" this to another. it doesn't work that way. When the spiritual identity of an individual reveals itself within him and is accepted, the life is transformed.
marc5lake 2 hours ago
@marc5lake It doesn't work 'cos it's bollocks. I am in the world, so if god is really within me then it is also within the world as well. The idea of god is the single most outrageously ridiculous idea ever invented. You deluded theists never think anything through at all.
astrophonix 31 minutes ago
This man makes no sense
mattyj219 5 hours ago
Wow this man is crazy.
mattyj219 5 hours ago
@mattyj219
Yeah, so 'crazy' that I bet you can't answer his questions, can you?
AtheistToothFairy 5 hours ago
Your ranting is reaching ignorant and unfathomable proportions again, just as they always do when you are losing, you are drowning and gasping for air. I see abslolutely no point in this when you continue to stretch things beyond reasonable limits. I will now look for someone to talk, who at least is sensable. I refuse to do a battle of wits, with an unarmed person. You live here because you must, I dont.
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
@Neodoxian no son it makes perfect sense - you cannot accept it because you are in fact deluded into a fantasy life to fantasy gods - You cannot accept it, because it goes against your church programming. Stop being a tool to a mega billion dollar corporation and think for yourself instead of some BOOK you never bothered to read
graffffik 6 hours ago
@graffffik Was the questiion that hard, Do you fear to read the truth? Yes you will read the notes, or NO , you dont want the truth.
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
@graffffik Obviously, you fear the truth. the truth will set you free, but you like the prisoners life? So be it. Coward. hippocrite.
Neodoxian 5 hours ago
@Neodoxian RE: “Obviously, you fear the truth. the truth will set you free,” >< Yes, the truth is “death”, & it will set you free.
You see Neo-dude, we are all born “terminal”. I know that is what you fear because you embrace a belief that you absolutely can’t prove its true, & don’t care that is not true. It’s a placebo in that aspect of helping you accept the fact that you’ll become filthy landfill.
I’ve given you the truth; now you are free Neo-dude.
RRoocckkyy50 4 hours ago
@Neodoxian You cannot talk rationally nor intellectually - all you do is THREATEN with imaginary fates of imaginary sky pixies - tell me is all you do is threaten each other in that cult of yours? I mean seriously where's forgiveness, and Forgiving thine enema - all I see is THREAT THREAT THREAT
graffffik 4 hours ago
@Neodoxian "As the rivers flow to the sea, so my own will come to me." Your comments here are not universally rejected. Be at peace, fellow traveler! Whatever detours may delay us, we are all going Home.
marc5lake 6 hours ago
@marc5lake Maybe when we get there we can speak of these times,and in a better place, have a good day
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
@marc5lake
"Your comments here are not universally rejected."
Right. They're only rejected by people with working brains.
FourDeuce01 5 hours ago
Answer to all the questions from the view of an atheist, its because he doesn't exist.
Dijitd10 6 hours ago
@Neodoxian let's try your "JE$U$" rationally - lets look at the specific cult YOU belong to to them - Only 1 cult to this set of sky pixies of over 32,000 main branches to these sky pixies currently known, and tens of thousands of variations of those branches. Tell me son Is ALL of these branches "SAVED" or just YOURS? or is some "SAVED" and some Not, give me an approx percentage based upon 32,000 branches - and note to include all of this you must add Satanists, jehovahs witnesses, mormons etc
graffffik 6 hours ago
@graffffik Jesus told us there would be many false prophets, all you have done is verified his words, thanks for that. Still his Gospel is in every corner of this earth, and you and your kind come and go as they have for thousands of years, with some ebbs and failures also. Atheists are nothing new, history shows ups and downs, God said it also. Only proving the reality of what Jesus said, nothing else.
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
@Neodoxian YOUR BIBLE is "FALSE PROPHECIES" John 3:16 - failed by the BILLIONS double that failure for BOTH PARTS fail - course you will change it to "SPIRITUAL DEATH" which is utterly meaningless AND "END TIMES" all of it completely failed - for it was to happen while JE$U$ was ALIVE - we know it didn't FAIL FAIL FAIL - your bible authors are false prophets - the book needs to be burned
graffffik 6 hours ago
@graffffik I have shown here many times why you are wrong about the end times as you claim Jesus said during his life, that was about his resurrection, not end times. The end times was in another part, where he told the disciples they would die, and many other things that the future had to bring B4 his second return , after resurrection. i will place the notes obn you info page, but would you read them YES you will, OR NO you wont. Will you read the notes?
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
so @Neodoxian based on your "TESTIMONY" the only thing that makes you believe in these sky pixies is "FEAR" that they are so incontinent, and so impotent , that they must rely on Human basic emotions in order to believe them and a Billions of times altered book - you don't believe in them based on "FACTS" you believe them because of fear, and in case of churches THREATS - this is in fact no way to follow an all powerful being - as i told you - invite him over for tea- we'll talk rationally
graffffik 6 hours ago
@graffffik Fear, of what ? Eternal life or the promises of a better life after death?? Your the one who fears God, I have allready proven that. As that time comes closer, you will likely be like Hitchens, adament to the end, because to accept God then would be like putting the rope on your own neck and pulling the cord,TOO LATE SHERLOCK. When you face God, what will you do? Cry???
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
@Neodoxian Again with the fear bullsh!t "believe in my sky pixies or suffer forever" - Your sky pixies are so pathetic they require idiots like you to threaten people into believing in them - Using Psychological warfare on people into forcing them to believe as you do - Read the tripe you post - it is THREATS plain and simple - and all the churches do this. have your gods come by for a cup of tea, we'll discuss their existence like rational human beings
graffffik 6 hours ago
@Neodoxian
"I have allready proven that."
No, you haven't. That's another thing you can add to the long list of your failures.
FourDeuce01 4 hours ago
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xxJuanVsWildxx 6 hours ago
The real problem is that as human beings we think we have a right to exist, and we don't, because what seems to be a human being isn't that at all. Individuality is real, and is not human, but spiritual. Whatever may be "fixed" humanly is at best temporary. The same fate awaits all of humanity, without exception.
marc5lake 7 hours ago
@marc5lake:" The same fate awaits all of humanity"
Yeah, it's called......DEATH
AtheistToothFairy 5 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy precisely!
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Watergun8770 7 hours ago
The fact remains the bible is a TABLOID of events of people who DID NOT witness the events described - NOT A SINGLE ONE in fact of people like "JOHN" Was not even alive during the life of said "messiah" and was an anonymous roman prisoner simply passing various notes to guards - All authors writing about JE$U$ were in fact NOT ALIVE during the time - Then there was billions of alterations and editings after this
Tell me how much credibility do you place on 4th to infinity hand accounts?
graffffik 8 hours ago
Psalms 145:9/Jer 13:14 -- good to all, then not to all
Exodus 15:3/ Romans 15:33 -- A god of war. Then a god of peace.
Matthew 1:16/Luke 3:23 -- Joseph fathered by Jacob, then fathered by Heli.
Gen 1:20 and 21/Gen 2:19 -- first everything comes from the water, then from the ground.
I could go on.
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Watergun8770 9 hours ago
For me to actually know if I am being irrational, can you explain to me all the known patterns of the universe and give me examples of how the bible contradicts itself.
xxJuanVsWildxx 9 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx The bible is 100% "CONTRADICTION" however let's look at the NT only for a sec - 3 different authors have a different "birth date" to this imaginary being - 3 different authors have a different "death date" to this imaginary being
Then we have this so-called "god" preaching temperance and forgiveness in one part - another he orders you to go buy swords and KILL PEOPLE (Yes JE$U$)
We have Shepherds, Magi AND "wise men" all witnessing his birth depending on author
graffffik 9 hours ago
"known patterns to the universe" = WHO THE HADES CARES - it's here now - no reason to worry about it - Your churches program this idea into you in order to get "non believers" to "SHUT UP" and to allow you to interject "Because My gods did it" NO it does not mean that and stop worrying about it - Even if I had the answer for it You wouldn't accept it - so why the Hades bother?
graffffik 9 hours ago
@graffffik "known patterns of the universe" is what the one guy told me. This whole paragraph really wasn't needed, you could have just said you didn't know.
xxJuanVsWildxx 9 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx I know how the universe was formed based upon science - However same thing applies - WHO THE HELL CARES.
Jesus DEATH on 3 DIFFERENT DATES - In the bible Mark 15:42 - Day before "The Passover" - John 19:31 - on "The Passover" - Matthew 12:40 3 days BEFORE the "passover"
sorry son the bibles full of contradictions
graffffik 8 hours ago
@graffffik I just read those verses and they don't have any contradictions in them.
Matthew 12:40 talks about Jonah in the fish and how Jesus will be dead for three days
John 19:31 says it was preparation day and the next day would be the Sabbath.
Mark 15:42 says the evening had come which is the day before the Sabbath.
xxJuanVsWildxx 8 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx Sorry son didn't read it well enough
Matthew 12:40 said 3 days BEFORE the "passover" as - in dead for 3 days before it
Here's some OTHER contradictions Luke 24:51 JE$U$ Ascends in Bethany, on the same day as his resurrection. Acts 1:9-12, Mount olive 40 days after his resurrection
And JE$U$ is the disciple of "JOHN THE BAPTIST" not vica versa - for JOHN baptized JE$U$ making JOHN his "preacher"
graffffik 8 hours ago
@graffffik Forget it, I might as well just read the whole bible. Thanks
xxJuanVsWildxx 8 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx try from THE BEGINNING - and DO NOT read it with pre-conceived ideas brought to you by the mega-trillion dollar corporation called "THE CHURCH" - actually read it - We need more atheists - And reading the bible is one sure fire way of doing that
graffffik 8 hours ago
@graffffik My church is not at all wealthy and it is a spanish church and I do not speak spanish, so I have no preconceived ideas. I agree with you about how some churches are in the business for money. What about the atheists who read the bible and become christian.
xxJuanVsWildxx 7 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx Whatever little pi$s ant church you belong to has tie-ins with the mega trillion dollar corperation
How "Atheists Become Christians"
ALL people are "atheists" in the beginning becoming a Christian must be taught, or emotionally manipulated into a person - You do not slip from the womb yelling "Hail JE$U$" or "Hail Allah" or "Hail Buddha" in fact being a creationist in fact IS NOT a natural state in life - being an "ATHEIST" or "without gods" is
graffffik 7 hours ago
@graffffik I became Christian with nobody telling me or making me become one. To me it just makes sense that God exists from my experiences in my life. About the Atheists who turn Christian, I meant the hardcore atheists who suddenly turn christian. To you does some of the other ideas how the universe began make sense?
xxJuanVsWildxx 7 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx the answer to the universe again is "WHO THE HELL CARES" that's your answer the answer is NOT absolutely not "GOD" did it - "GOD" all gods are plagiarized myths of previous gods before them - they the gods DO NOT EXIST - because they are nothing but old gods re-packaged into brand new gods with fancy new fables, and fancy new churches. In short your gods do not exist because they are POPULAR MYTHS
graffffik 7 hours ago
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@graffffik The preaching service is in spanish but the sunday school lessons are in english. One thing I do not get, is why some people say reading the bible can turn you atheist and yet some atheist who read it turn christian and vice versa. Some atheists say christians are illogical when some of the christians they call illogical used to be hardcore atheists. To me it seems illogical and pointless to argue with each other.
xxJuanVsWildxx 6 hours ago
@graffffik All are Atheists fails, beginning with you. Its obvious your soul prods you to be here and the reasons are so simple its rediculous. You have been attempting to remove God from your own mind, but your souls and Spirit will not release you, because that is connected to God until your death. Prove me wrong. leave and don`t return. The History of the world has God in it, and that will remain until the end, where Judgement, including yours decides if you lose your soul
Neodoxian 7 hours ago
@Neodoxian FALSE - never in my life did I recognize your Incredibly insane ASSHAT JE$U$ as "God" a "god" or "the God" in fact even as a Christian "GOD" was that mass-murderous completely insane being god of "MOSES" However eventually found it all to be bullsh!t based upon FACTS - My "SOUL" doesn't prod me to rebel against cre-tards such as you Common sense, decency, and HUMANITY does to stop the sheer BULLSH!T of this religion
graffffik 7 hours ago
@graffffik Atheism is a crutch for those who cannot bear the reality of God.
Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God. You see i was a nonbeliever at one time, and nobody twisted my arm. Christians do not harm anyone except those who are afraid of the possibility that God exists. There is NO other reason than that to continue your attacks. I finally found the truth that you cannot find. Obviously you find yourself unnaceptable. Sad
Neodoxian 7 hours ago
@Neodoxian There absolutely is no "GOD" - because you are in fact defining "GOD" as a plagiarized myth of a specific character in a specific book that is not even the "GOD" of that book - except if you give delusional nonsense stories - that only make sense to YOU and idiots like you. And based on FACTS all the stories of this book you are referring to to begin with is nothing but STOLEN STORIES of other gods and deities
Ask me if there is "NO GODS" anywhere answer = NO
graffffik 7 hours ago
CONT - Is there any creature / entity / supreme being(s) Known as "GODS" - ABSOLUTELY NOT - Because these are also defined by RELIGION - Pre-conceived ideas of plagiarized myths, popular fables of The sun, and the moon, and passed down defunct mythologies
BESIDES - if there ever was a creator of the universe you'd have less value to it than an atom, of an atom
graffffik 7 hours ago
@graffffik What kind of evidence would be sufficient for you to conclude there is a god?
Neodoxian 7 hours ago
@Neodoxian NONE Whatsoever - Hey there is one possibility - You telepathically communicate with them, and make demands of them all the time - next time You talk to your sky pixies - have them come on over and tell me they exist IN PERSON, and none of this "out of the corner of my eye" bullsh!t. Full personal Visitation, have them come on over and sup some tea with me to prove they exist first hand.
graffffik 7 hours ago
@graffffik If you want God, you have to make the move. I have seen the devil, and God rescued me from him. As I said I was an unbeliever , and my eyes were opened by terror. If that ever happens to you, and it may, you may have to swallow your foolish pride and receive the peace your so desparate for. You cant find God in your life for the same reasons a theif cannot find a policeman.
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
@Neodoxian Nope it doesn't work that way you can change the passage to swap ANY god with terms like "ALLAH" "BUDDHA" "VISHNU" "KRISHNA" "THE SUN" you name it
also the "devils" with terms like SET, SETH, Mephistopheles, Beelzebub, Mephysto, LOKI, you name it - all these and thousands of them like it can be filled in the same event with equal likelihood of being real - NO - your gods ALL OF THE COMBINED - have been gods less than 1 % of humanity And that includes the JEWISH GODS
graffffik 6 hours ago
@graffffik Why swap OLD and no longer even spoken of Gods, except by such as you. You do not seem to realize that YOU are a large minority. There are 7 Billion Bibles, and Jesus`s Gospel is in virtually every nation, just as Jesus said. And you can talk for years , but that simple but very real truth will remain until the end of time. Jesus and a few fishermen changed the world, with nothing but his words, and you cant handle that truth.
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
@Neodoxian NO pay attention - 32,000 DIFFERENT JE$U$ES - Tell me son do you claim all 32,000 plus main branches of "Christianity" equally worshiping "the right Gods" - And remember Alot of these include CATHOLICS, Agnostics, Mormons, SATANISTS, and so on - for you must accept all these as EQUAL to define all the "Christians" upon this planet - including Black Je$U$es, people being worshiped as JE$U$es (real people) and the thousands of variations
graffffik 6 hours ago
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@graffffik
"Christianity" equally worshiping "the right Gods"
different aspects of the same god...
next question.
RexisAZero 6 hours ago
@graffffik Then we find OVER 4 billion people on this planet DO NOT subscribe to any "JE$U$" at all - in fact there are more "Muslims" than Christians as a whole - what about them - why is your gods creating over 3/4ths of the planet to always HATE and DESPISE THEM?
graffffik 6 hours ago
@graffffik B4 I go, anyone can read the statistics on religions, that is except you. There are 2.2 billiopn Christians, and still growing. There are 1.6 billion Muslims (same God) . All the rest are shrinking daily, including muslims,. There are many converting to Christianity, but in muslim countries they must hide it, because they are threatened with death. korea now has more Christians than Buddahists, and China will be the largest Christian nation in 10 years. End of story.
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
@Neodoxian
"You do not seem to realize that YOU are a large minority."
Weak minds seek comfort in numbers. People with working brains understand that reality isn't up for a popular vote.
FourDeuce01 4 hours ago
@Neodoxian
"you cant handle that truth."
You can call that a "truth" when you prove it.
FourDeuce01 4 hours ago
@graffffik So, you know there is no god?
How can you know that?
So you claim to know all things? So are you a Gods yourself?
You would have to have seen all evidences to know there is no God. And that you cannot claim, therefore, your atheism is illogical.
Your making assumptions and have nothing to base those assumptions on. Failed
Neodoxian 7 hours ago
@Neodoxian Can you prove to me "RA" did not "create the universe"? he in fact did so according to "The Egyptians" at least 4,000 Plus years before YOUR GODS did - So is "RA" real? What about "The Sun" The Sun created the universe well over 10,000 years before all your gods did - prove to me the SUN is not the supreme god of the universe
- After awhile once you think of this logically and with reason - you find these things just STORIES - as in BULLSH!T
graffffik 7 hours ago
@graffffik Science claims. According to Quantum physics consciousness collapses wave functions and thereby creates reality. Subatomic particles do not assume definite properties when it interacts with a measuring device UNLESS the reading of that measuring device is registered in the mind of an observer. So the universe could not exist without an observer,And objects remain in a state of actuality,ONLY so long as they are being observed.So God was necessary in the beginning.
Neodoxian 7 hours ago
@Neodoxian SCIENCE in case of "Creation Science" also says there are oceans of water high up in the sky between us and space (youtube Kent Hovind for an example of his insane babblings) Now "Science" is not always right, however if a reasonable story from it comes up I will accept it, But i will not Worship that Idea, nor pray to it, nor devote my life to it. If a better idea comes up I'll accept it - If a bullsh!t idea comes up from science I won't
So do I worship science - NO
graffffik 6 hours ago
@graffffik The oceans of water may have been prevalent on earth, above the earth in the same way that are now evident on other moons and planets, Totally blocking our view of the surfaces and extreme pressures do not allow those waters to reach the surfaces of the orbs, according to recent discoveries. However you may call that insane Science does not. If anyone is babbling, you are.
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
@graffffik It has been observed that God or many cultures had their own cultures definitions of Gods. However The Hebrew God said, Have no other Gods before me. and where are those other Gods NOW? You fail by default, as they no longer exist, so in fact I do not have to prove it, YOU DO. Its your soul and eternal life your giving up. Are you thinking "If God is not anything is permissable?. Thats a defeated attitude.
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
@Neodoxian NO "the Hebrew god" SAID NOTHING
- In YOUR OPINION" you interpret a "GOD" says things based upon a book that had NO EYE WITNESSES to said "GOD" that has been edited billions of times over - that mirrors popular fables and folklore of previous gods
in Short - PROVE YOUR GOD EXISTS before you can claim they "SAID" or "DID" anything
graffffik 6 hours ago
@graffffik No eye witnesses, TODAY, no. But there were many writers and thousands of years of historical documents. Edited, but as the many documents show, they remain the same for all purposes as per experts. and when carefully examined, will not be found sufficient to invalidate their testimony.
Neodoxian 6 hours ago
@Neodoxian FAIL - No bible author witnessed ANY EVENT of any MESSIAH - AT ALL none were alive during the events described AT ALL based upon the fables of "THE MESSIAH" in fact they did not first start writing about him till about 30 or more years after the death date - And even then these first writers did not call that messiah JE$U$ and DID NOT include the fables you know today - all these fables are from undermentioned EDITINGS
graffffik 6 hours ago
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@xxJuanVsWildxx
"so I have no preconceived ideas."
Other than the idea that an imaginary god exists and the whole book of fairy tales is true. :/
FourDeuce01 7 hours ago
@graffffik If I may ask, can you give me some of the bible verses that show what you are saying is true?
xxJuanVsWildxx 9 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx:"known patterns of the universe"
A totally meaningless phrase, but why does that not surprise me
AtheistToothFairy 8 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy If you read the comments you would know that a atheist told me that when he was telling me how belief in God is irrational. Tell the person who told me that, that the phrase is meaningless.
xxJuanVsWildxx 8 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx
The phrase WAS meaningless when you said it, considering you offered 0 context nor did you quote me to provide context as a response.
When I used it, it was under the context of the patterns of the universe, such as: animals do not talk, bushes do not speak, and pi =/= 3.
Orthrus 8 hours ago
@Orthrus Sorry for offering incorrect context and no quotes. I thought I didn't have to since the question was directed towards you.
xxJuanVsWildxx 8 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx
Perhaps if you had bothered to quote me, we would have known it was directed at me. It's not like I magically (gasp) know when someone replies to a comment of mine unless they actually hit "reply".
Orthrus 8 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx:"you would know that a atheist told me that when he was telling me how belief in God is irrational"
I never said that YOU had uttered this phrase. I only was commenting on the PHRASE ITSELF as a general statement
AtheistToothFairy 6 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx
"all the known patterns of the universe"
All? Fuck no.
The obvious ones? Why should I when you should know for yourself things like: gravity, hot/cold, and so forth?
Namely the obvious fact that MAGIC doesn't exist in the observed universe.
Orthrus 8 hours ago
How have I disregarded rationality by believing in God?
xxJuanVsWildxx 10 hours ago
@xxJuanVsWildxx
You consider belief in something that denies all known patterns of the universe, which you have never seen or spoken to, which has characteristics that invalidate eachother, from a book that contradicts itself, to be rational?
Orthrus 10 hours ago
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@xxJuanVsWildxx "How have I disregarded rationality by believing in God?"
Consider your god. He's a murderous ego maniac who drowns children. Then there is his kid. A man/god who was born of a virgin, walked on water, died for your sins, rose from the dead and may grant you vicarious redemption. Only if you don't believe in such absurdities then it's eternal torment in hell courtesy of the all loving, compassionate forgiving god.
Does that sound rational to you?
GodisMythology 10 hours ago
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@xxJuanVsWildxx:"How have I disregarded rationality by believing in God?"
Easy, because you blindly ASSUME there is a god out there, somewhere, and I'm guessing that you think it's a personal god to, right?
AtheistToothFairy 9 hours ago
I can see that no matter what I say isnt going to change your mind, and what you say isn't going to change mine. Therefore I shall save my time and energy. The truth will all be known some day I just hope you find it before its too late.
kkayNbritt1816 11 hours ago
@kkayNbritt1816 "I just hope you find it before its too late"
Oh my, that pathetic threat again?
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Watergun8770 10 hours ago
@kkayNbritt1816
"no matter what I say isnt going to change your mind"
Wrong.
"what you say isn't going to change mine"
Correct.
And the mustard seed reference meant that if you have faith as TINY as a mustard seed. So you fail to understand your own bible.
Orthrus 10 hours ago
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@Orthrus
"And the mustard seed reference meant that if you have faith as TINY as a mustard seed."
They mistranslated it. It's supposed to say "If you have the faith AND THE BRAINS of a mustard see, you'll believe this fairy tale." ;)
FourDeuce01 10 hours ago
@kkayNbritt1816
"I can see that no matter what I say isnt going to change your mind,"
Unless you can do what no other christian has EVER done, and come up with some credible evidence or logical arguments.
FourDeuce01 10 hours ago
@kkayNbritt1816
"I can see that no matter what I say isnt going to change your mind,"
Then your claim that you could "answer every one of those questions with a logical answer" was a lie.
FourDeuce01 10 hours ago
#1 why doesn't god heal amputees?
Healing depends on the faith of those praying and the one being prayed for! The bible says that you have to have faith of a mustard seed meaning once your belief is planted inside of you an explosion of growth must occur and then anything is possible. Therefore healing first off relies on people!
kkayNbritt1816 11 hours ago
@kkayNbritt1816
Which of course would mean that nobody with bona fide faith EVER prayed for an amputee to have his limb restored. Seems unlikely.
Meanwhile god is fixing arthritis and hearing aids will be thrown away at a revival coming to your town soon.
yankinCanada 11 hours ago
@kkayNbritt1816
"Therefore healing first off relies on people!"
Then your god isn't doing it and can't take the credit for it.
FourDeuce01 10 hours ago
@kkayNbritt1816:"Healing depends on the faith of those praying and the one being prayed for!"
Just another grand EXCUSE for why your god acts very much like the Absent Landlord
AtheistToothFairy 9 hours ago
I am a Christian and I do have a college degree, I can honestly say I can answer every one of these questions with a logical answer. Those who don't see the truth behind it, is because you choose not to see it. I can't make you believe in God but I do pray that he has a serious impact on your life, if he doesn't it's because you won't accept him into your life. In no way is it his fault.
kkayNbritt1816 11 hours ago
@kkayNbritt1816
Of course it is his fault. He allows a hell to exist and does not ask the permission of his creatures if they wish to be created at all.
Created with no ability to avoid offending him and no tools or personal powers to redeem themselves by themselves.
That is not the fault of human beings. They are just along for the ride.
yankinCanada 11 hours ago
@kkayNbritt1816 RE: “I am a Christian and I do have a college degree, I can honestly say I can answer every one of these questions with a logical answer” >< Really? BYU?
Impressive, then by all means share your logical answers!
RRoocckkyy50 11 hours ago
@kkayNbritt1816
"I can...answer every one of these questions with a logical answer"
They all say that, and they never answer them. How typical.
"but I do pray"
Don't insult me.
Orthrus 11 hours ago
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ImitateTheBestQueen 13 hours ago
@ImitateTheBestQueen OH shove your Qu'ran Propaganda up your arse - Muhammad did nothing but alter Jewish texts then order you to go kill jews - the jewish texts are complete bullsh!t let alone the altered new forms by Muhammad and his fakirs
Your Qu'ran and fakir Muhammad's stories are just as real as "The Bible" and the bible is complete BULLSH!T
graffffik 12 hours ago
@ImitateTheBestQueen
No such thing as evil.
Orthrus 12 hours ago
LOL, the second you use a "poll" from World News Daily (fundamentalist paper) in your "reasoning"... you lost me, what a joke, not they also give no reference to the "poll" as question as usual, WND is the biggest bullshit machine after the discovery institute... fail.
Carnage2K4 15 hours ago
hiya come to my room I'm all burning
64lahorfrgsdn32 19 hours ago
WHO'S ON FIRST?!!?
viavu1 19 hours ago
THE MEXICANS!
RexisAZero 20 hours ago
@elplucco Kill someone to save someone?? Besides, you are aware that HIV wasn't an issue until just recently and that heterosexual sex is just as dangerous?
yankinCanada 21 hours ago
@elplucco I know. You just merely said he is not going to answer the prayers of and for starving people because it is "our responsibility". But if you want your arthritis to be cured, pray away. Did you miss that point in the video? Yes you did.
yankinCanada 21 hours ago
@yankinCanada
No I did not say that either
It is man's responsibility to feed the starving and you and I are encouraged to pray for help in doing so.because God answers prayer and will help you if you start to do good. Look at Jesus' example: He didn't just pray but he also feeded the 3000 and the 5000.
Likewise should we do.
elplucco 18 hours ago
@elplucco
You mean if we start parachuting bags of millet down upon the starving so that they can be fortified, god will then step in, and only then, and help too?
yankinCanada 18 hours ago
@yankinCanada
Not only then. But you might try it, don't forget to pray.
elplucco 18 hours ago
@elplucco
Which is it? I must do good and god will join in or I can just merely pray for an outcome and wait for it's granting?
yankinCanada 17 hours ago
@yankinCanada
What is so difficult to understand?
Love God above all and love your neighbor as you love yourself!
elplucco 17 hours ago
@elplucco
"What is so difficult to understand?"
For you, it looks like critical thinking skills are so difficult to understand. "Love God above all"
Prove any gods exist and we can love them.
FourDeuce01 17 hours ago
@FourDeuce01
Your body is proof,
all living creatures are proof
The heavens are proof
Your spirit is asleep, so you won't notice
elplucco 17 hours ago
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@elplucco
"Your body is proof,"
Yes, it is proof of my body. "all living creatures are proof"
Yes, proof of living creatures.
"The heavens are proof"
Yeah, if you ever prove any heavens exist.
"Your spirit is asleep, so you won't notice"
You haven't proven any spirit exists. Rational people don't make claims they can't prove.
FourDeuce01 17 hours ago
@elplucco
"Your body is proof,"
I asked you for proof any gods exist. If you don't have any, the honest thing would be to admit it.
FourDeuce01 17 hours ago
@FourDeuce01
I am honest, honestly, and I know, by experience: God exists!
I have been in the opposite corner, but I found out that there is love, coming from a loving God. Love that cannot be measured or weighed or by any scientific method defined. Yet, it is there and its Creator is alive and speaking to my spirit, in love and peace. Far more exciting than anything else is His love. And I'm fond of science, but Gods love beats it by far. By the way, God is also fond of science.
elplucco 16 hours ago
@elplucco
"I am honest, honestly,"
That's what most liars say.
" and I know, by experience: God exists!""
Right, just like I know by experience that Gandalf exists. "By the way, God is also fond of science."
He's not fond of assholes who speak for him. He told me that.
FourDeuce01 14 hours ago
@FourDeuce01
If you don't believe there is a God, don't you wonder what the rulers of the USA are doing when they sacrifice human-like items to a 40 ft high statue of an owl at the bohemian grove?
elplucco 17 hours ago
@elplucco
"If you don't believe there is a God, don't you wonder what the rulers of the USA are doing"
I always wonder what crazy people are doing, whether they are doing silly rituals or posting lies on Youtube.
FourDeuce01 17 hours ago
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RRoocckkyy50 12 hours ago
@elplucco RE: “outside the box, as in "lies", or the so-called Gnossis?” >< Lies? If your Bible is what’s “in the box” , then It’s comprised of elements outside of the box. So, if the elements out side of the box are “lies”, then what’s in the box is a complete “lie”. Yes; I love logic.
RRoocckkyy50 11 hours ago
@elplucco RE: “Love God above all and love your neighbor as you love yourself!’ ><
If your god were real, how could you love such a sadist of tyrannical fascism?
RRoocckkyy50 17 hours ago
@elplucco
Ma'am, you made a very specific claim, "it is our job to feed the hungry" meaning that god leaves that job solely to us. Then you say that god WILL assist if we begin good works on our own. Both can't be true.
Which is your position? God intervenes under specific circumstances or god leaves it completely to us to fee the hungry?
You can make your stance very clear with a direct answer instead of offering up the cryptic answer you just did.
I dare you to give a direct answer.
yankinCanada 17 hours ago
@yankinCanada
No, you don't get it.
The order is: feed the hungry.
start doing it and pray for His support
God provides you with the means.
He will bless you to do His will and to be a blessing to others because He is a loving and giving God.
I hope this makes it clear.
God works through people because thats the way He ordained it.
elplucco 16 hours ago
@elplucco How does mumbling to an invisible supernatural being feed the hungry? Why would anyone be interested in the imaginary blessing of an imaginary, allegedly loving and giving god? Especially one who works through the gullible minds of indoctrinated believers? An imaginary murderous ego maniac god as well. One that drowns innocent children? The concept of gods is peddled through people who are essentially cultists who's main charge is to recruit more cultists. It's a business.
GodisMythology 15 hours ago
@elplucco
"pray for his support"
Hmmm. I'm already feeding the hungry so I don't need any motivation to do so. What sort of "support" or "means" could god provide me in my efforts to feed the hungry?
yankinCanada 15 hours ago
@elplucco
"God provides you with the means."
You haven't proven any gods exist yet.
FourDeuce01 14 hours ago
@elplucco
"I hope this makes it clear"
It makes one thing clear, that you lack critical thinking skills.
"God works through people because thats the way He ordained it."
And that is true because you say it is true, right?
FourDeuce01 14 hours ago
So, questions 1 to 4 refuted, see below monday Jan 30th. I take a break, see you later
elplucco 21 hours ago
They talk the talk but do not walk the walk.
viavu1 21 hours ago
People who speak with forked tongues = beggahs
...oooooooor simply they proclaim this but do that.
In othah words they talk outta both sides of their mouth.
viavu1 21 hours ago
tsk, tsk revenge is an ugly, ugly thing.
two wrongs do not make a right.
viavu1 21 hours ago
@elplucco "starving people". Thank you for confirming that god never answers prayers for anyone who is starving. Pray for Aunt Lucy to have a safe flight but if Aunt Lucy is down on her luck and starving one day, god won't be proofing a free hamburger coupon to blow up against her leg in a parking lot.
yankinCanada 22 hours ago
@yankinCanada
It is still your responsibility, and I didn't say that God doesn't answer praying, you say so.
elplucco 21 hours ago
@elplucco Gee, doesn't KILLING someone occur to you as anti-thetical to the idea that life is precious and must be protected?
yankinCanada 22 hours ago
@yankinCanada
That is exactly what is being done, but what do you want to protect? Safe or dangerous lifestyle?
elplucco 21 hours ago
Question 4 part 3,
You see, it is impossible for humans to make life. It is just too difficult. So to state it happened some long time ago when the rain fell on the rocks, the rocks turned into soup and the soup came alive, is just an attempt to hide the impossibility of life emerging out of chaos.
If it can happen by accident, it can be done on purpose.
You try rolling two dices to score double six, twenty times in a row.
Then I will easily put those dices twenty times on purpose so by hand.
elplucco 22 hours ago
@elplucco:"You see, it is impossible for humans to make life"
Yeah, just like it used to be impossible to go faster than 30 MPH and impossible to leave the earth.
So what do you want on you crow, when the time comes to eat it after we make life??
AtheistToothFairy 18 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy
I can make some calculations, and there is no way for any person to make new life, say a human, consisting of say 100.000 different proteines, some as long as 30.000 amino-acids, that will work together to maintain and reproduce, oh, by the way, we need a female too.
You are way out of your league to try that. Better leave those things to God.
Have you ever considered the existence of satan by the way?
elplucco 17 hours ago
@elplucco
"I can make some calculations"
Do it. Show the math. "there is no way for any person to make new life,"
Show the math.
"Better leave those things to God."
Prove any gods exist first.
"Have you ever considered the existence of satan by the way?"
Of course, but there is no more evidence for him than there is for your favorite fairy tale.
FourDeuce01 17 hours ago
@FourDeuce01
next week, i'll show you how probable it is to make one single protein of say 300 amino-acids. (no not titin). Just an simple protein.
till then, Bye
elplucco 15 hours ago
@elplucco
"next week, i'll show you how probable it is to make one single protein of say 300 amino-acids."
Sure you will. For now the only thing you show me is that you are dishonest.
FourDeuce01 14 hours ago
@elplucco
Wait, you didn't say we had to create a HUMAN, only "LIFE"
Now you're moving the goalposts, as xtians just love to do when cornered.
AtheistToothFairy 17 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy
There are more complex gene-compositions than the human, but, fine with me, you make an ant instead OK?
Do you know what you are up against?
elplucco 17 hours ago
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@elplucco
"you make an ant instead OK?"
You prove a god exists, OK? "Do you know what you are up against?"
Do you know what you are up against? About 2000 years of people trying to do that with no success.
FourDeuce01 17 hours ago
Question 4, part 2,
We all know that radio, cars and TV are incredibly important as scientific products,
OK, did you look at your hand, your head, your eyes, your skin, each one of them incredibly important to you, more than any scientific product. They were not made by science. You believe they came into existence by chance. I believe they were created by someone superior to it. Now I present the law of El Plucco: if something can originate by chance, it can surely be made on purpose by man.
elplucco 22 hours ago
Question 4: Does the Bible contain scientific nonsense? And then this man simply states that - the world is not created in 6 days, the flood didn.t happen, Jona never was inside the big fish and Adam wasn't created from dust.
As if you were there when it happened!
Why are there seashells on mount Everest? Why did the Colorado river stream uphill to make the grand Canyon? Because there was a BIG BIG flood mister!, Thats why there is no erosion found between the visible layers at Grand Canyon.
elplucco 22 hours ago
@elplucco:"Why are there seashells on mount Everest? "
Did you even bother to use google to find the OBVIOUS answer to your very SILLY question?
AtheistToothFairy 18 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy
Do you believe that?
What exactly is your belief in this case?
elplucco 17 hours ago
@elplucco:"What exactly is your belief in this case?"
Look up MOUNTAIN FORMATION and see if mountains were always there, or did they somehow come about via natural tectonic cause, m'kay
AtheistToothFairy 17 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy
So you are saying that the Himalaya were below sea level at the time there was life in the sea. After that, the Himalaya rose, and the shells did not erode.
Is this what you believe?
elplucco 16 hours ago
@elplucco:"After that, the Himalaya rose, and the shells did not erode"
A flood cannot explain the presence of marine shells on mountains for the following reasons:
Floods erode mountains and deposit their sediments in valleys.
In many cases, the fossils are in the same positions as they grow in life, not scattered as if they were redeposited by a flood
AtheistToothFairy 9 hours ago
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@elplucco:"So you are saying that the Himalaya were below sea level"
OF COURSE.....look it up for yourself
AtheistToothFairy 9 hours ago
question 3: Why must wrongdoers be killed? This is not applicable in the new covenant made by Jesus. But still, God knew where the problems began and that's where they had to pull the brake. That law didn't demand gay people to be killed, but only those who practised it. Homosexual intercourse still puts many people at risk!
But now: Jesus points at the deeper source: sin comes from wrong thoughts that dwell in your heart, that is where you must be healed, not by outward restriction.
elplucco 22 hours ago
So, question 1: refuted
Question 2: Why so many starving people?
That aint His responsibility: it is ours because God gave dominion to man over the earth. so this question is also refuted.
elplucco 23 hours ago
@elplucco:"That aint His responsibility"
Of course not, because that would mean that god himself would actually have to lift a finger to HELP and that would clearly reveal this hiding childish deity of yours to the entire world and we just can't have that kind of exposed god, now can we @@
AtheistToothFairy 18 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy
But He will help you if you take on your assignment to do greater things than Jesus did.
If you only did.
elplucco 17 hours ago
So, God does heal amputees, because He heals lepers, and they are missing bodyparts.
In the Bible you'll find a report on Jesus healing ten lepers simultaneously.Do you think they were so extremely happy because their bodies were still mutilated? The Bible says: they were made whole.
So it is not true to state that we all know that God doesn't heal amputees.
Is this still happening nowadays?
Read "how to touch a leper" by Paul Olson, good for you!!!!
elplucco 23 hours ago
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@elplucco " God does heal amputees, because He heals lepers "
- So god picks and chooses? better hope you get leprosy
" That aint His responsibility "
- So don't pray to god if you're starving or have any disease other than leprosy.
" they had to pull the brake "
- So starving people isn't his responsibility, but killing gay people is?
" As if you were there when it happened! "
- Uh oh.. another crazy who's going to prove the flood happened
OK.. thanks for playing
Roper122 18 hours ago
@elplucco:"So, God does heal amputees, because He heals lepers"
I've never met a leper, have you?
Forget about lepers and show us just ONE xtian whose arm or leg was restored by a miracle from your sky daddy, m'kay!?!?!?
AtheistToothFairy 18 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy
Why don't you read the account in the Bible and believe it, or why don't you read the book I mentioned and believe it? Because you are not eager to accept that there is a God.
So, you will not believe me either if i brought you ten prayer-healed persons.
The point in the video is that Christians, who believe in the Bible, must come up with an explanation. That is the challenge, and the maker of the video accepts the Bible as valid, since he quotes from it.
elplucco 18 hours ago
@elplucco:"and the maker of the video accepts the Bible as valid, since he quotes from it"
WOW, you are unbelievable NAIVE then.
The video author is an A T H E I S T !
He does NOT think the bible is anything more than a work of FICTION.
The miracles in your holy book, are fables, nothing more.
So bring me just ONE person whose leg has regrown, JUST ONE!
AtheistToothFairy 17 hours ago
@AtheistToothFairy
No sir, someone else is being naive.
You don't accept the rules to play this game by.
I am challenged to come up with an excuse, because the author thinks he found discrepancies in the Bible. But there is no need for an excuse because I proved the Bible to be consistent whereas the author states it isn't.
Therefor I met the challenge.
I am allowed to use the Bible in my defense whether you believe it or not, and whether the author believes it or not.
elplucco 16 hours ago
@elplucco
I am challenged to come up with an excuse"
No, you are challenged to come up with an explanation. All you DO come up with is an excuse(and not a good one, either).
FourDeuce01 14 hours ago
@TrashinJesus
please dispose of refuse properly
RexisAZero 23 hours ago