@yankinCanada hierarhical authority and viewing people as an in group and out group is very apparent among the mindless hordes who follow people like thunderf00t and theamazingatheist.
ADOLPH HITLER in fact had his SS trooper have belt buckles with "GOD WITH US" regularly attended Church mass -attended a Catholic School - Baptized Catholic - In fact created christian, and catholic organizations while the Fhurer, he also regularly included the word "GOD" in his speeches, often the word "JE$U$" he was in fact a Christian (Catholic class)
@graffffik "It's not "genocide" if you have god on your side - it's "Thinning out the Heathens""
You are right. That is why religious people also have absolutely no issues with killing babies and infants, because babies and infants can't talk so we know they do not believe in God, so they are atheists.
Also Albert Einstein near the end of his life turned atheist. But when Sir. Anthony Flew found God near the end of his life that was due to mental decline. Changes in religious belief in old age are NOT due to mental decline only if one changes from religious to atheist.
Also Albert Einstein near the end of his life turned atheist. But when Sir. Anthony Flew found God near the end of his life that was due to mental decline. Changes in religious belief in old age are NOT due to mental decline only if one changes from religious to atheist.
And Hitler said to his personal secretary that religion is nonsense. But things said in private don't count, except when we are discussing President Obama, who is surely a closet atheist, despite his claims made in public to the contrary!! I am sure Obama is a closet atheist because I can read his mind, and the statements he made in public don't count because these were only meant to manipulate the ignorant American public.
actualy living in america is a bit of a burden when it comes to christianity as there are quite some numbers of ntolerant Christians about there By the way if you want to watch something mor esensible watch?v=f7rrEFJ8Da4 about worldviews. Excellent video and quite thought provoking on how to go about it.
@fourteatwo thanks for the video. I am going to have to watch it later as it is 22 minutes long. I checked out the channel, a good sign is that he author of the video is friends with CartesianTheist, which is one of the best channels on youtube.
@fourteatwo also did you know that Muhhamed, Buddha, and Confucius were actually real historical people, but Jesus is a complete fabrication and never even existed as a historical person and is an invetion which is a combination of several mythical figures such as Horus and Dionysus, with a little bit of Hanibal thrown in. I am judging the probability of existence based on my dislike of the religions they have founded. More dislike equals greater likelyhood of non-existence!!
@Labetolol45 I hope Obama is an atheist. Sadly, in the christard states of america most aren't quite ready for someone to be able to say they are atheist and be elected president. It was hard enough getting past the race card. That only took 145 years after the civil war to accomplish.
Also Stalin and Mao were actually raised Christians, and the fact that they rejected their faith has nothing to do with their homocidal tendencies. Rejecting your faith only affects your behaviour if you are not a mass murderer!
Also, on an unrelated note, atheists often claims that Western Europe is some kind of atheist utopia. Well except for the fact that in no country in Western Europe is a belief in God or a universal spirit lower than 70%. Also many Europeans who don't believe in God believe in the paranormal such as atrology, ghosts.... 53% of Europeans believe astrology is scientific while only 30% of Americans do.
@Labetolol45 Religion has been highly successful through indoctrination, politicization, conquest and sheer force. Fortunately religion is on the decline mostly due to the age of information we live in. Atheism is the fastest growing minority in many part of the world.
@Labetolol45 Who cares? It still doesn't justify the absurd, irrational notion a man/god magical jew was born of a virgin, died for your sins, walked on water, rose from the dead and may grant you vicarious redemption.
@Labetolol45 Let's not forget the mass-murder, rape, and invasions by Christianity in general - the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition - the Spanish Conquistadors, The Ku Klux Klan, The Crusades, the various christian - Muslim Wars, and the hundreds of other events - Including those Christian cults at this very moment committing crimes
While it may be reducing crime a little today - they Committed billions of crimes against humanity in the past and present
Now don't offend those who want to make you believe Religion hosts climinality and supports slavery. Whilst the abolition of the slave trade was acutally a success of Chrisitanity it was clearly because they did not read their bible with as much brain as those high IQ atheists.
@FourDeuce01 The bible also tells people to not kill. and then tells them to "not suffer a witch to live", i.e., kill her/him. On another point, it tells people that god is all forgiving and then says that hell exists. which is odd. The bible is full of contradictions, i get that.
@Orthrus If a religion is mutilated like that, i find it hard to believe that it's still that religion. If it's been lied about, twisted and muddled up to that extent, and then violated, it's not christianity or islam anymore. it's a belief at that point, sure.
@neoman121 Why don't the gods Give eternal life to ANYONE in the last 2000 years? Includiong THOSE GODS - and including their 12 followers all of which I am sure "believed in them" yet none including the poof sky daddy daddies lived forever go figure
(passage whosoever believeth in imaginary selves shall not perish blah blah)
@livinginbedlam It's not the private ideas in your head that you keep private, it's how those ideas inform your action towards others and in ways that affect others. Particularly when those ideas are not substantiated with any evidence and when they are proudly held as blind faith as if that was a virtue.
It's a mystery. Just like "it." Say "it" over and over again--itititititititititititititititititit--until you achieve what Buddhist monks call samprajnata. It is not merely empty-mindedness but a vast stillness that is indescribable to the typical level of waking state--in other words, in .... other .... wordzzz zzzz. Tomorrow--or maybe the next day: "was" - Daniel Menaker
Daniel's dream in the book of Daniel can be placed proforma upon the reign of Alexander the Great. 380 prophecies of Christ were fulfilled in detail; 48 of them in the same day, including the piercing of his side and his burial in a rich man's tomb. Don't take my word for it; use intelligence instead of prejudice and think on your own two feet.
@rrmjvand NO they weren't The NT is "POST-DICTION" these imaginary events are added i PAST TENSE - in fact hundreds to over a thousand years after the events - the old tales have been edited billions of times - ALL THESE fables are "PAST TENSE" by authors none of which ever witnessed anything as describes
@graffffik As far as smut stories go, I think I'd rather prefer some modern day porn. I mean, the smut in the buybull is so damn violent and anti female,
John died on the island of Patmos in 90 AD after writing the book of Revelation. The book of Ezekiel describes exactly what is happening in Israel and the middle east today. Isaiah 53 told of Jesus Christ in minute detail 700 years before his birth. Micah said He would be born in Bethlehem-Ephrata over 200 years before, Genesis indicated He would be from the tribe of Judah and He was.
The brain is the network in which electrical signals generate self awareness otherwise known as the mind. The brain does not need to be told what to do you pustule.
HISTORICAL FACT the name "JE$U$" is an Anglo-saxon and European name - not invented til late to modern English was invented
FACT - original NT authors DID NOT refer to him as "JE$U$" or "Jehovah" or "Yahweh"
Fact closest name people used from approx 75 of common era to about 1000 of the common era of this fictional character was ioshua OR closest approximation "JOSHUA" or "Joseph" when translated to english.
Also this imaginary being was NOT the "first Christ" invented by the Catholics
As my brain is working fine I still hope to find a few more working ones amongst those discussions but so far had not much success. As I found you I here I guess you selftestify that yours is not the working kind :-)
@mnmsweet Watergun will only show any useful change when he finally hangs himself as he has promised multiple times. Of course he has no integrity and is too gutless to do that.
" People have the capability to change until the day they die."
True, however psychological defense mechanisms very often cause us to become rigid to 'protect what we have'. It is a risk/benefit issue and even individuals suffering with a mental-social handicap such as WG may be aware of their flaw, but make the choice to hang onto it for its minimal benefits only because it is all they know or believe they can know.
This is the best that Watergun can achieve. He's reached the zenith of his capabilities and worth to the world. Regrettably that has been manifested in being a total tool here on this thread.
HISTORICAL fact current Christianity is derived from CATHOLICISM - it is a splinter group of which refused to adhere to the tenants of Catholicism - IT IS NOT the people who were defined as "Christians" before 1 of the common era - those would be people who never heard, nor followed ANY of "The New Testament"
The Roman Catholics who invented the New Testament were ROMAN those self-same people who worshiped Zeus, Athena, Hercules, and so on - they simply Changed their gods
@calomie NO IT DID NOT - The "Christ" that was not amed JE$U$ was not invented or published till almost 200 of the common era - there was Bullsh!t people discussing the upcoming "me$siah" but their actual stories did not come out till well over 150 of the common era to be similar to the bullsh!t of todasy - first naming of this imaginary character came around 50-80 of the common era - and even then the bullsh!t of it was nothing like todays - And it was ROMAN CATHOLICS who did that
The funny thing is that u think ur self smart and logic..ur stupid not to believe there is god..didnt u ask urself how this universe was created?how do u exist?u think by logic and reasoning ? or by a mightier power => god <= that brought u to this world..nowww i have this question for u to answer and let it be a logic and realistic and rational answer -_-i hope u dont invent stories or stop thinking about it coz its unconfortable-_-
Conclusion, this video maker crushes the beliefs of others because he is lost. I have no clue what is going on in his life that would make him do such a thing to good Christians, but he has lied and distorted facts. Citing a Bible verse holds enormous power until someone looks each and every verse up and studies the context of the writing. God is real. God loves you, God loves me, God loves this video maker. This is the Truth. "And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” - Exodus 3:14"
@redsoxovryanks317 And you son "crush" about 100,000 other current gods of which are not your own - And worse yet a plagiarized myth of previous gods - tell me why isn't Zeus, or Ra, or isis, or Horus real? why does hundreds of thousands of gods all of a sudden cease to be gods because your new rip-off god is around supported by the Catholic Church- Self-Same people who used to worship Zeus, ad Hercules and so on
Yeah, that's what Hitchens thought too. Hitchens is no longer with us anymore. He is with God now. I wonder what Hitchens thinks now, now that he has found out the truth about God.
If Hitchens was to come back to this life, I guarantee you he would no longer be an atheist. He probably despises atheism now.
The funny thing is that u think ur self smart and logic..ur stupid not to believe there is god..didnt u ask urself how this universe was created?how do u exist?u think by logic and reasoning ? or by a mightier power => god <= that brought u to this world..nowww i have this question for u to answer -_-
@elielkhoury90 just because the universe is here doesnt mean it was created by some being. that is just an assumption.
what makes you think it is some guy out of an iron age text?
you think the creator of the universe chose to have his important message for mankind conveyed in the middle of the desert in a language he knew would die out to primitive child raping/killing savages when there was already proper civilisations in existence?
before the big bang there was no time so that = no cause.
The only thing he does is sit there brain-washing you by repeating his claim, without any proof, about 100 times. He has obviously never studied Christianity in his life. He has no idea what he's talking about
Those arguments are complete an fitter bullshit! The only base you have for any of them is plain ignorance! Seriously, have you even tried to listen to a well-knowledged Christian? You are obviously not "an intelligent person" yourself. How dare you go around crushing peoples beliefs from ignorance like that. Go to hell
@redsoxovryanks317 Well, he used specific examples from the bible. Can you explain why those scriptures talk about murdering innocent people? or why slavery is something that god approves of in the bible? I'm not trying to offend you because I used to be christian and I respect everyone's right to their own beliefs, but I'm interested in your explanation those scriptures.
@jasaguayo I appreciate you being one of the only respectful responses, and I'll gladly explain. Exodus 21 - if you actually look it up, it is a set of rules laid down for God's people. Where he got that it is a proponent for slavery, I have NO idea. It lays down laws concerning many aspects of life, including how to treat your servant humanely. Colosians 3: 22-24 tells how servants, which was just a part of life back then, should be sincere and holy servants to "the Lord Christ." ...
@jasaguayo continued, Ephesians 6:5 is cut off to get the desired context. It actually goes on to say NOT to serve as a servant to man "but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart." It teaches humility, even in the toughest of situations. The exact same goes with 1 Peter. Unfortunately, this video maker thinks he can Google "slavery in the bible" and base his argument off that, not even looking up his sources. Each of these are lies, and that's only one part
@jasaguayo Exodus 35 is an in-depth explaination of the Jewish beliefs. They believed that whatever God directly said was ABSOLUTE LAW, as it should be. But Christians don't believe not going to mass on a Sunday or working on Sunday is punishable by death. The Sabbath is for humans, not God. We are to rest and give 1/7 days in the week to God, not a tough order. I could go on, but I hope you see my point. This man distorts the truth, lies, and weilds ignorance as his weapon to do so
@redsoxovryanks317:"have you even tried to listen to a well-knowledged Christian?"
Yes in fact, MANY TIMES and guess what.....Not a single xtian I've heard from or watched on youtube has a leg to stand on, when it comes to demonstrating that their god is real.
@redsoxovryanks317 what are well knowledged christians? brianwashing idiots, thats what. they dont even want evidence for their god so why listen to them in the first place? they are pro brainwashers that go after kids and try to pollute their brains with nonsense, that is called child abuse. something christianity has always had a problem with.even yaweh liked a bit of kiddy rape.
and why should the maker of this video go somewhere that doesnt exist?
tell us honestly, you live like that elephant man John Merrick, because you know the wold finds you repulsive. Do you have the sack over your head at home?
There must be a carnival somewhere that will take you in.
You could have saved me ten minutes and just said "Answer the problem of evil", which I can't. And not all Christians, I would say not the majority, don't believe in prayers in the way you represent them. I myself see them as a form of meditation.
Correct, their religion didn't teach them to do it. Hell, they violated their own religious laws and teachings when they did that shit. But they nonetheless did it for their religion, even if it was a twisted version that they were lied to about by their Imams.
Their religion didn't STOP them, either. That kind of proves the claim religious liars often make that "their fairy tale makes people behave better" is false.
I posted my point. Did you miss it? Go back and read my post and you will see my point. I don't waste my time. I say what I mean, and I mean what I say.
@Orthrus I doubt it's the most prominent. Greed is. Greed for power being the case in point. It's relatively easy to twist religions like Christianity and Islam that teach to "love thy neighbour" etc, into an indoctrination technique to make people do what you wish.
Greed is usually curbed by ones morality much easier. Sure, greed can cause one to politically instigate a war, but greed doesn't make a man beat a womans feet until they're shattered, pour boiling water over her until she dies, then eviscerate her organs, cut off her limbs, and decapitate the body.
@Orthrus Once again, you are describing the actions of a minority of extremists. Yes, it can happen and it's wrong, but a non-religious man is equally capable of beating and raping his wife, or even more acts of aggression.
Certainly equally capable, and if anything more capable, but it seems we've started to kind of circle, so let me just lay down my overall point.
Religion has a high tendency of causing bad things given the proper circumstances.
This has been very prominent through history and modern times, whether minority or not. The only upsides of religion are personal feelings of comfort, and charity work.
Given those factors, I personally think it should be abolished.
@Orthrus Religion has been around for a lot longer than atheism. Of course history will show more examples of it causing problems. This is only common sense.
Actually, atheism has been around a lot longer than religion, considering that every human being is born an atheist, and there was undeniably a time period of pre-history where the earliest peoples hadn't yet invented any religions - not that they even knew they were atheists, but merely that they'd never even considered the subject.
@Orthrus Religion was a substitute for science. they didn't have the methods available to further their understanding of the universe until much, much later - thus, religion has always taken it's place. By using this incredibly deterministic approach you are assuming that we as people all lack free will. You may as well say we are all born evil, or since we eventually die, that we are all born dead.
@Orthrus The cavemen believed the sun was a god. They also didn't understand the basic principles of friction, hence they believed that fir came from a fire god. Religion is as old as man, hence why history will show it as committing so many offences.
And what about before the cavemen? I mean, do you think dogs believe the sun is god? It's an intelligence factor mate. I doubt the earliest forms of Hominid had quite the mental capacity to consider the sun to be anything beyond "light in sky". Hell, they probably couldn't even process the concept of "light" in the first place.
@Orthrus I am not saying that religion is intelligent, I am merely providing an explanation as to why history may teach that religion is as bad as you believe. In this modern day an age, it is no better or worse that politics or any other groups or societies, and recent history proves that.
@SuperQweertyuiop And people still worship "the Sun" as god - all these gods = "THE SUN" JE$U$, Alluh, buddha, ra, Vishnu, Krishna, Yahweh, All bible-jewish gods and so on
myths like "walking on water" = sun shine on top of water - Raising the dead = Sun melting snow and plants regrowing
@FourDeuce01 Check your profile page, I left you a message. And of course it's been around longer. it's been around since the first Cavemen, of which cave painting have shown that they assumed the sun itself was a god.
Now I know you are a sub-moron. Anybody with 2 brain cells to rub together could figure out that atheism was around long before any cavemen dreamed up any fairy tales. I guess that shows your total lack of critical thinking skills. You have lowered the bar for stupidity here today.
@FourDeuce01 It's equally equal to twist such ideals like 'The right to the American dream', and then torture an entire race of people. It's easy to preach 'Democracy over Communism' and then support a tyrant who tortures his own people, eventually setting fire to villages full of children and executing an entire village of villagers 'because they're gooks' - blatant racism. No religion was involved in any of this It's easy to do a lot of things. We're only human.
@Orthrus No. Religion doesn't do that, people do that. It's an excuse, sure, but blaming everything on god/Allah/etc is a dangerously flexible and flimsy argument.
Well of course people do it, but that religion is a strong causative factor is undeniable. Religion isn't the only such factor, but it's certainly the most prominent one today.
@Orthrus Please read the response I gave to you explaining why thinking in such a way is irrational. if you are intelligent as you claim, then you will understand it well.
I did read it bro, and I replied telling you that I actually do have a logical reason. Namely that I've seen first hand what religion can cause. I also replied to another poster addressing the issue of, "Minority is not all of it".
Finally, what do you mean as intelligent as I claim? When have I talked about my intelligence so far?
@Orthrus You've seen first hand what the extremists have caused, and that fear of the extremists has generalized into all religions. This is how phobias work. Consider the behavioral study of Watson and Rayner as comparison. The child in the study has a fear of rabbits since he had been conditioned to think in such a way, and eventually that fear generalized into all animals. Please consider this and maybe research Watson and Rayner then you will have a better understanding of how phobias work.
Well I don't consider it a phobia, because I'm not really afraid of religious folk at all. Hell, I acknowledge that many religious men and women are extremely nice people that I'd trust by my side when shit hits the fan, and honestly, complete strangers who were strongly religious did nicer things for me than most.
But this doesn't change how dangerous moderate religion can be for it's potential of erupting into extremism.
@Orthrus There are extremists everywhere, some religious, some political, all dangerous; there is no doubting this. But it is not just the religious who are capable of such acts of aggression and terrorism. Consider this carefully. Politics and greed are just as guilty as religion for causing wars and violence.
Sure, it's not just the religious. I don't claim that religion and religion alone is a problem. But I do feel that it's the most prominent one to address because of how widespread it is and because of how powerful of a root it can hold on ones behavior. You can argue with an radical environmentalist easier than you can a religious radical I'd say.
@Orthrus How about the political extremist? Hitler, Stalin, Che Guevera, Eisnehower (vietnam war) Gdaffi, Kim Jong Iil and many more. I'd say these men are just as guilty, if not more so, for causing war and suffering.
Of course those guys are just as guilty, and they all had different reasons for doing what they did. In the case of Hitler, religion played a factor. In Stalin and Lenin, both were documented to be psychotic (I'm Russian myself) and just downright power-hungry tyrants.
I don't know much about the others you mentioned, but I don't deny that they're equally evil.
"but blaming everything on god/Allah/etc is a dangerously flexible and flimsy argument."
It's also a Straw Man argument unless you can show somebody actually doing that. I hear christian liars all the time claiming ALL atheists do that, but I have never seen an atheist do that yet.
I look at the comments and feel vaguely embarrassed. I'm not a hard-core atheist, nor am I an abject believer. But I don't see the point in bashing religion, people. Or calling atheists stupid. Religion is pretty human. We use it as an excuse to do terrible things, and then we trust it to lead us to safety. People use it as a..life
Well bro, I advise you to take a trip to the Jolan District in Fallujah, or barring that, google "Jolan Torture House" and see for yourself what religion does. That is why I hate it the way I do.
@TheObservantAnna I've tried to explain this to them, yet they are too stubborn to see it. Your words are wasted here. Trying to debate with one who has cast aside the use of reason is like trying to administer medicine to the dead.
watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ&ob=av2e In this video even Dawkins himself mentions how this generation of atheists are an insult to intelligence. Watch and be convinced.
Ask for proof in mathematics. It's the only place you are going to get it.
Amiability is a more important commodity than belief. If you find yourself actively hating people for the ideas in their heads, then you are no better than an Ayatollah - and given the political power, you would probably abuse it in exactly the same kinds of ways.
Not one of you have managed to compose an intelligent counter argument. Your statements are based either on suppositions, opinions, someone else's theories or simple superstition. The only logical explanation for this is you are in denial of your theophobia, mainly because you enjoy it. It gives your life purpose - you feel that by being prejudiced against religion you are doing the world a favor. This is quite the display of faulty cognition, irrational heuristics, mental deficiency...
@SuperQweertyuiop Or to give it it's correct term, simply being an American. I weep for the future of your country if you are the people considered to be 'intellectuals'.
Ask Salman Rushdie if his being in hiding and under constant protection against fatwa ordered assassins can serve as something other than our: "suppositions, opinions, someone else's theories or simple superstition."
@yankinCanada Again, you are falsely assuming the actions of a few extremists represent the whole. I would have thought you got the point by now - That is displaying irrational heuristics, and it is a sure sign of an unhealthy mind. The extremists of religion are the loudest, and so are often the one that are heard the most, much like the way the stupid Americans are the loudest, hence, the world stereotypes you as a country full of idiots.
You know what you don't hear that is more deafening than the last guttural scream Daniel Pearl uttered?
The loud, energetic condemnation of the moderate religious community of acts like this done with the excusing proclamation of: divine inspiration, divine warrant, glorification of, or in the service of their god. The silence is deafening.
The pious know darn well that they argue against themselves when they deny a pious finger pointing to a holy book justification.
@yankinCanada The grammar in your prose and structuring of your arguments are appalling. It is difficult to understand what you are trying to say; alas, I doubt even you are truly aware of your own intentions. Please, try and avoid using words you do not understand and then write that statement again.
You Gen "Y"ers need to read slower. Your brains have been trained for instant gratification by video games and school project research done by Google searches.
"I also find it amusing how you assume to know my age and the activities I engage in."
Not too hard to do.
"Care to explain that one?"
Your mental age is about 3 or so. The activities you engage in on Youtube are lying, posting more lies and trying to defend your belief in a childish fairy tale.
@FourDeuce01 Once again I will reiterate that I do not believe in Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism or any other religion - I simply cannot stand to suffer intolerant fools. Is that such a crime?
@Orthrus Because you have no logical reason to hate it. A small minority of spiders carry a deadly venom, yet the fear of spiders still carries the suffix of -phobia assuming a fear of them to be irrational. The same goes for having a hatred of religion.
@Orthrus You are a Marine. That means you have been thrust into war-zones where you have seen the extremist side of religion only, therefore, my point is still valid and your hatred of religion could be considered as theophobia brought on by your experiences with extremists during your work as a marine.
You're absolutely right that extremist does not justify hatred of all religion, but the problem is that religion offers no upside to the downsides (extremism) of it, and ALL religion is capable of extremely easily turning into extremism once the pressure is on. This happened in New Orleans during Katrina, where a Christian mob of 200 declared Apocalypse and ran around stabbing people.
@Orthrus No upsides? How about the charity work they do? Offering hope for the hopeless and, as ridiculous as it sounds, the promise of a wonderful afterlife (although i don't believe in any of these myself). There are funerals, weddings, christenings and all sorts of events that are usually centered around a church. They do as much good as they do bad, just like any other human being on this planet.
All sorts of people do charity. Religion doesn't do charity because it's religious, but because there are just people that want to help.
I don't consider false hope to be an upside mate. It's delusion. Just because religion makes people feel better can be considered a merit by many, but not by me. Feel good beliefs don't really cut it after the life I've experienced. Just a personal complex of mine I guess.
@yankinCanada hierarhical authority and viewing people as an in group and out group is very apparent among the mindless hordes who follow people like thunderf00t and theamazingatheist.
Labetolol45 14 minutes ago
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ADOLPH HITLER in fact had his SS trooper have belt buckles with "GOD WITH US" regularly attended Church mass -attended a Catholic School - Baptized Catholic - In fact created christian, and catholic organizations while the Fhurer, he also regularly included the word "GOD" in his speeches, often the word "JE$U$" he was in fact a Christian (Catholic class)
he even hob-nobbed with popes
graffffik 1 hour ago
@graffffik yes Adolph Hilter recognized that making his SS troopers pray 3 Hail Marys every day is a great way to prepare them up for genocide!
Labetolol45 1 hour ago
@Labetolol45 It's not "genocide" if you have god on your side - it's "Thinning out the Heathens"
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@graffffik "It's not "genocide" if you have god on your side - it's "Thinning out the Heathens""
You are right. That is why religious people also have absolutely no issues with killing babies and infants, because babies and infants can't talk so we know they do not believe in God, so they are atheists.
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Also Albert Einstein near the end of his life turned atheist. But when Sir. Anthony Flew found God near the end of his life that was due to mental decline. Changes in religious belief in old age are NOT due to mental decline only if one changes from religious to atheist.
Labetolol45 1 hour ago
Also Albert Einstein near the end of his life turned atheist. But when Sir. Anthony Flew found God near the end of his life that was due to mental decline. Changes in religious belief in old age are NOT due to mental decline only if one changes from religious to atheist.
Labetolol45 1 hour ago
And Hitler said to his personal secretary that religion is nonsense. But things said in private don't count, except when we are discussing President Obama, who is surely a closet atheist, despite his claims made in public to the contrary!! I am sure Obama is a closet atheist because I can read his mind, and the statements he made in public don't count because these were only meant to manipulate the ignorant American public.
Labetolol45 1 hour ago
@Labetolol45
actualy living in america is a bit of a burden when it comes to christianity as there are quite some numbers of ntolerant Christians about there By the way if you want to watch something mor esensible watch?v=f7rrEFJ8Da4 about worldviews. Excellent video and quite thought provoking on how to go about it.
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fourteatwo 1 hour ago
@fourteatwo thanks for the video. I am going to have to watch it later as it is 22 minutes long. I checked out the channel, a good sign is that he author of the video is friends with CartesianTheist, which is one of the best channels on youtube.
Labetolol45 1 hour ago
@fourteatwo also did you know that Muhhamed, Buddha, and Confucius were actually real historical people, but Jesus is a complete fabrication and never even existed as a historical person and is an invetion which is a combination of several mythical figures such as Horus and Dionysus, with a little bit of Hanibal thrown in. I am judging the probability of existence based on my dislike of the religions they have founded. More dislike equals greater likelyhood of non-existence!!
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@Labetolol45 I hope Obama is an atheist. Sadly, in the christard states of america most aren't quite ready for someone to be able to say they are atheist and be elected president. It was hard enough getting past the race card. That only took 145 years after the civil war to accomplish.
GodisMythology 1 hour ago
Also Stalin and Mao were actually raised Christians, and the fact that they rejected their faith has nothing to do with their homocidal tendencies. Rejecting your faith only affects your behaviour if you are not a mass murderer!
Labetolol45 1 hour ago
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Labetolol45 1 hour ago
Also, on an unrelated note, atheists often claims that Western Europe is some kind of atheist utopia. Well except for the fact that in no country in Western Europe is a belief in God or a universal spirit lower than 70%. Also many Europeans who don't believe in God believe in the paranormal such as atrology, ghosts.... 53% of Europeans believe astrology is scientific while only 30% of Americans do.
Labetolol45 2 hours ago
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@Labetolol45 Religion has been highly successful through indoctrination, politicization, conquest and sheer force. Fortunately religion is on the decline mostly due to the age of information we live in. Atheism is the fastest growing minority in many part of the world.
GodisMythology 2 hours ago
Also religion has been shown to be a protective factor against adult crime.
Religion and Crime Reexamined: The Impact of Religion, Secular Controls, and Social Ecology on Adult Criminality
Journal: Criminology Volume:33 Issue:2
Labetolol45 2 hours ago
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@Labetolol45 Who cares? It still doesn't justify the absurd, irrational notion a man/god magical jew was born of a virgin, died for your sins, walked on water, rose from the dead and may grant you vicarious redemption.
GodisMythology 2 hours ago
@Labetolol45 Let's not forget the mass-murder, rape, and invasions by Christianity in general - the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition - the Spanish Conquistadors, The Ku Klux Klan, The Crusades, the various christian - Muslim Wars, and the hundreds of other events - Including those Christian cults at this very moment committing crimes
While it may be reducing crime a little today - they Committed billions of crimes against humanity in the past and present
graffffik 2 hours ago
@Labetolol45
Now don't offend those who want to make you believe Religion hosts climinality and supports slavery. Whilst the abolition of the slave trade was acutally a success of Chrisitanity it was clearly because they did not read their bible with as much brain as those high IQ atheists.
fourteatwo 2 hours ago
Ah, the meaningless Atheists. Where would our insane world be without its pale advisers. Damn this brave new world.
SkitlerRemix 3 hours ago
@FourDeuce01 The bible also tells people to not kill. and then tells them to "not suffer a witch to live", i.e., kill her/him. On another point, it tells people that god is all forgiving and then says that hell exists. which is odd. The bible is full of contradictions, i get that.
TheObservantAnna 3 hours ago
@Orthrus If a religion is mutilated like that, i find it hard to believe that it's still that religion. If it's been lied about, twisted and muddled up to that extent, and then violated, it's not christianity or islam anymore. it's a belief at that point, sure.
TheObservantAnna 3 hours ago
*Why doesn't God perform miracles for amputees*
THEY DON'T BELIEVE/PRAY ENOUGH, DUH!!! Sheesh, how stupid are people. >.>
neoman121 3 hours ago
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@neoman121 Stupid enough to believe mumbling to yourself will cure anything.
GodisMythology 3 hours ago
@neoman121 Why don't the gods Give eternal life to ANYONE in the last 2000 years? Includiong THOSE GODS - and including their 12 followers all of which I am sure "believed in them" yet none including the poof sky daddy daddies lived forever go figure
(passage whosoever believeth in imaginary selves shall not perish blah blah)
graffffik 3 hours ago
@graffffik Just so everyone knows I was being sarcastic.
neoman121 3 hours ago
@neoman121 I know that I was adding to it
graffffik 3 hours ago
@graffffik Oh ok! I thought you were some religious person who took offence. :)
neoman121 2 hours ago
@livinginbedlam It's not the private ideas in your head that you keep private, it's how those ideas inform your action towards others and in ways that affect others. Particularly when those ideas are not substantiated with any evidence and when they are proudly held as blind faith as if that was a virtue.
yankinCanada 7 hours ago
It's a mystery. Just like "it." Say "it" over and over again--itititititititititititititititititit--until you achieve what Buddhist monks call samprajnata. It is not merely empty-mindedness but a vast stillness that is indescribable to the typical level of waking state--in other words, in .... other .... wordzzz zzzz. Tomorrow--or maybe the next day: "was" - Daniel Menaker
viavu1 7 hours ago
@CuiusRegio Not painful enough.
yankinCanada 7 hours ago
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livinginbedlam 8 hours ago
straight straight straight straight straight straight straight
but - i ain't straight.
you're straight.
everyone's straight.
i'm not straight.
RexisAZero 11 hours ago
@RexisAZero <--- the fork
viavu1 8 hours ago
gay gay gay gay gay gay gay.
but- i ain't gay.
you're gay.
everyone's gay.
i'm not gay.
RexisAZero 12 hours ago
'pool of molten steel.'
Just saying.
whoooa, been there; done that.
whew.
viavu1 12 hours ago
@viavu1 puts a whole new spin to pluckin' feathers.
viavu1 12 hours ago
i would like to read richard dawkin's "the god delusion"
sorry8140 15 hours ago
@sorry8140 I read "The God Delusion' to page 23. That is how far it took for me to find the answer to the question I had at that time.
viavu1 15 hours ago
Daniel's dream in the book of Daniel can be placed proforma upon the reign of Alexander the Great. 380 prophecies of Christ were fulfilled in detail; 48 of them in the same day, including the piercing of his side and his burial in a rich man's tomb. Don't take my word for it; use intelligence instead of prejudice and think on your own two feet.
rrmjvand 18 hours ago
@rrmjvand NO they weren't The NT is "POST-DICTION" these imaginary events are added i PAST TENSE - in fact hundreds to over a thousand years after the events - the old tales have been edited billions of times - ALL THESE fables are "PAST TENSE" by authors none of which ever witnessed anything as describes
IT IS A FAIRY TALE BOOK a SMUT Fairy Tale book
graffffik 18 hours ago
@graffffik As far as smut stories go, I think I'd rather prefer some modern day porn. I mean, the smut in the buybull is so damn violent and anti female,
FreeHeretic 18 hours ago
@rrmjvand:"including the piercing of his side and his burial in a rich man's tomb."
-OR- The writers of the jesus fiction, fit their character into the role the OT had invented
AtheistToothFairy 18 hours ago
John died on the island of Patmos in 90 AD after writing the book of Revelation. The book of Ezekiel describes exactly what is happening in Israel and the middle east today. Isaiah 53 told of Jesus Christ in minute detail 700 years before his birth. Micah said He would be born in Bethlehem-Ephrata over 200 years before, Genesis indicated He would be from the tribe of Judah and He was.
rrmjvand 18 hours ago
@rrmjvand:"John died on the island of Patmos in 90 AD after writing the book of Revelation"
Revelation was written by a man who was:
1. Stoned on Mushrooms.
2. Writing about Romans in 'code', and was clearly speaking about their era, NOT OURS
AtheistToothFairy 18 hours ago
@rrmjvand You need help. And I don't mean religious help.
FreeHeretic 18 hours ago
The brain is the network in which electrical signals generate self awareness otherwise known as the mind. The brain does not need to be told what to do you pustule.
yankinCanada 18 hours ago
@bencubed Point taken. :)
mnmsweet 18 hours ago
HISTORICAL FACT the name "JE$U$" is an Anglo-saxon and European name - not invented til late to modern English was invented
FACT - original NT authors DID NOT refer to him as "JE$U$" or "Jehovah" or "Yahweh"
Fact closest name people used from approx 75 of common era to about 1000 of the common era of this fictional character was ioshua OR closest approximation "JOSHUA" or "Joseph" when translated to english.
Also this imaginary being was NOT the "first Christ" invented by the Catholics
graffffik 18 hours ago
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@FourDeuce01
""May you find some peace"
May you find some brains(that work). "
As my brain is working fine I still hope to find a few more working ones amongst those discussions but so far had not much success. As I found you I here I guess you selftestify that yours is not the working kind :-)
Peace be with you nevertheless
fourteatwo 18 hours ago
@Watergun8770 Wg grow up.
mnmsweet 18 hours ago
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@yankinCanada
"Your brain is part of the nervous system that innervates your arm you"
But how does the brain know I want to move my arm?
Watergun8770 19 hours ago
@yankinCanada People have the capability to change until the day they die.
mnmsweet 19 hours ago
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@mnmsweet Watergun will only show any useful change when he finally hangs himself as he has promised multiple times. Of course he has no integrity and is too gutless to do that.
GodisMythology 19 hours ago
@mnmsweet..... People have the capability to change until the day they die.
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You should check out the story of the Scorpion and the Frog.
stuartsc01 19 hours ago
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@mnmsweet,
" People have the capability to change until the day they die."
True, however psychological defense mechanisms very often cause us to become rigid to 'protect what we have'. It is a risk/benefit issue and even individuals suffering with a mental-social handicap such as WG may be aware of their flaw, but make the choice to hang onto it for its minimal benefits only because it is all they know or believe they can know.
bencubed 18 hours ago
@Watergun8770 You need to find something more worth doing instead of this...
mnmsweet 19 hours ago
@mnmsweet
This is the best that Watergun can achieve. He's reached the zenith of his capabilities and worth to the world. Regrettably that has been manifested in being a total tool here on this thread.
Yes, it's tragic.
yankinCanada 19 hours ago
@yankinCanada
When are you going to get it through your fucking head.......I WILL BE HERE UNTIL THE END OF TIME!
I cant be bargained with. I cant be reasoned with. I dont feel pity or remorse. And I positively will not stop EVER, until you are DEAD.
Watergun8770 19 hours ago
@Watergun8770 Unless someone drops you in a pool of molten steel.
Just saying.
CuiusRegio 12 hours ago
@mnmsweet
Well, I do enjoy masturbating to HOT lesbian porn all day, everyday.
Watergun8770 19 hours ago
HISTORICAL fact current Christianity is derived from CATHOLICISM - it is a splinter group of which refused to adhere to the tenants of Catholicism - IT IS NOT the people who were defined as "Christians" before 1 of the common era - those would be people who never heard, nor followed ANY of "The New Testament"
The Roman Catholics who invented the New Testament were ROMAN those self-same people who worshiped Zeus, Athena, Hercules, and so on - they simply Changed their gods
graffffik 19 hours ago
@graffffik [IT IS NOT the people who were defined as "Christians" before 1 of the common era=
grafffik, Christianity began to exist in the early-mid 1st Century, around 30 A.D.
calomie 19 hours ago
@calomie NO IT DID NOT - The "Christ" that was not amed JE$U$ was not invented or published till almost 200 of the common era - there was Bullsh!t people discussing the upcoming "me$siah" but their actual stories did not come out till well over 150 of the common era to be similar to the bullsh!t of todasy - first naming of this imaginary character came around 50-80 of the common era - and even then the bullsh!t of it was nothing like todays - And it was ROMAN CATHOLICS who did that
graffffik 18 hours ago
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The funny thing is that u think ur self smart and logic..ur stupid not to believe there is god..didnt u ask urself how this universe was created?how do u exist?u think by logic and reasoning ? or by a mightier power => god <= that brought u to this world..nowww i have this question for u to answer and let it be a logic and realistic and rational answer -_-i hope u dont invent stories or stop thinking about it coz its unconfortable-_-
elielkhoury90 19 hours ago
Conclusion, this video maker crushes the beliefs of others because he is lost. I have no clue what is going on in his life that would make him do such a thing to good Christians, but he has lied and distorted facts. Citing a Bible verse holds enormous power until someone looks each and every verse up and studies the context of the writing. God is real. God loves you, God loves me, God loves this video maker. This is the Truth. "And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” - Exodus 3:14"
redsoxovryanks317 19 hours ago
@redsoxovryanks317 And you son "crush" about 100,000 other current gods of which are not your own - And worse yet a plagiarized myth of previous gods - tell me why isn't Zeus, or Ra, or isis, or Horus real? why does hundreds of thousands of gods all of a sudden cease to be gods because your new rip-off god is around supported by the Catholic Church- Self-Same people who used to worship Zeus, ad Hercules and so on
graffffik 19 hours ago
@redsoxovryanks317
Yeah, 'God' loves us so much that he will let us be tortured for eternity for a finite thought crime.
What a great thing such a monstrous deity such as Yahweh does not actually exist. Pretty sad so many of 'His' believers do...
pandstar 19 hours ago
@pandstar
"Yahweh does not actually exist."
Yeah, that's what Hitchens thought too. Hitchens is no longer with us anymore. He is with God now. I wonder what Hitchens thinks now, now that he has found out the truth about God.
If Hitchens was to come back to this life, I guarantee you he would no longer be an atheist. He probably despises atheism now.
Watergun8770 19 hours ago
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@Watergun8770 The only despising going on here is all directed at you. What you postulate about Hitchen's is irrelevant. Just like you.
GodisMythology 18 hours ago
@Watergun8770 Amen!
rrmjvand 18 hours ago
though so no one answered.
elielkhoury90 19 hours ago
The funny thing is that u think ur self smart and logic..ur stupid not to believe there is god..didnt u ask urself how this universe was created?how do u exist?u think by logic and reasoning ? or by a mightier power => god <= that brought u to this world..nowww i have this question for u to answer -_-
elielkhoury90 20 hours ago
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@elielkhoury90 just because the universe is here doesnt mean it was created by some being. that is just an assumption.
what makes you think it is some guy out of an iron age text?
you think the creator of the universe chose to have his important message for mankind conveyed in the middle of the desert in a language he knew would die out to primitive child raping/killing savages when there was already proper civilisations in existence?
before the big bang there was no time so that = no cause.
1984LizardKing 20 hours ago
The only thing he does is sit there brain-washing you by repeating his claim, without any proof, about 100 times. He has obviously never studied Christianity in his life. He has no idea what he's talking about
redsoxovryanks317 22 hours ago
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@redsoxovryanks317 What's there to study? It's absurd mythology propagated as "truth".
Christianity is a sham.
GodisMythology 21 hours ago
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@redsoxovryanks317
"He has no idea what he's talking about"
So, can YOU prove your imaginary god exists?
FourDeuce01 21 hours ago
Those arguments are complete an fitter bullshit! The only base you have for any of them is plain ignorance! Seriously, have you even tried to listen to a well-knowledged Christian? You are obviously not "an intelligent person" yourself. How dare you go around crushing peoples beliefs from ignorance like that. Go to hell
redsoxovryanks317 22 hours ago
@redsoxovryanks317 Well, he used specific examples from the bible. Can you explain why those scriptures talk about murdering innocent people? or why slavery is something that god approves of in the bible? I'm not trying to offend you because I used to be christian and I respect everyone's right to their own beliefs, but I'm interested in your explanation those scriptures.
jasaguayo 21 hours ago
@jasaguayo I appreciate you being one of the only respectful responses, and I'll gladly explain. Exodus 21 - if you actually look it up, it is a set of rules laid down for God's people. Where he got that it is a proponent for slavery, I have NO idea. It lays down laws concerning many aspects of life, including how to treat your servant humanely. Colosians 3: 22-24 tells how servants, which was just a part of life back then, should be sincere and holy servants to "the Lord Christ." ...
redsoxovryanks317 20 hours ago
@jasaguayo continued, Ephesians 6:5 is cut off to get the desired context. It actually goes on to say NOT to serve as a servant to man "but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart." It teaches humility, even in the toughest of situations. The exact same goes with 1 Peter. Unfortunately, this video maker thinks he can Google "slavery in the bible" and base his argument off that, not even looking up his sources. Each of these are lies, and that's only one part
redsoxovryanks317 19 hours ago
@jasaguayo Exodus 35 is an in-depth explaination of the Jewish beliefs. They believed that whatever God directly said was ABSOLUTE LAW, as it should be. But Christians don't believe not going to mass on a Sunday or working on Sunday is punishable by death. The Sabbath is for humans, not God. We are to rest and give 1/7 days in the week to God, not a tough order. I could go on, but I hope you see my point. This man distorts the truth, lies, and weilds ignorance as his weapon to do so
redsoxovryanks317 19 hours ago
@redsoxovryanks317
"Those arguments are complete an fitter bullshit!"
So is your fairy tale.
FourDeuce01 21 hours ago
@redsoxovryanks317:"have you even tried to listen to a well-knowledged Christian?"
Yes in fact, MANY TIMES and guess what.....Not a single xtian I've heard from or watched on youtube has a leg to stand on, when it comes to demonstrating that their god is real.
Shall YOU be our very first to prove god is real?
AtheistToothFairy 21 hours ago
@redsoxovryanks317
"have you even tried to listen to a well-knowledged Christian?"
I've tried, but I can't even FIND a "well-knowledged christian". Do you know one? ;)
FourDeuce01 21 hours ago
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@redsoxovryanks317 what are well knowledged christians? brianwashing idiots, thats what. they dont even want evidence for their god so why listen to them in the first place? they are pro brainwashers that go after kids and try to pollute their brains with nonsense, that is called child abuse. something christianity has always had a problem with.even yaweh liked a bit of kiddy rape.
and why should the maker of this video go somewhere that doesnt exist?
hell got added much later onto the fairytale
1984LizardKing 19 hours ago
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Watergun8770 22 hours ago
@Watergun8770 Really??? again????
mnmsweet 22 hours ago
@mnmsweet
Hey, Sweets. How have you been?
I missed you.
Watergun8770 20 hours ago
@Watergun8770
why, ever time i gt on you are spamming this video??? i mean don't you have anything better to do?
mnmsweet 20 hours ago
@mnmsweet
Why all the hate, Sweets?
Watergun8770 20 hours ago
@Watergun8770
just please stop.
mnmsweet 20 hours ago
@mnmsweet
ALL MAD!
Watergun8770 19 hours ago
@Watergun8770 ,
tell us honestly, you live like that elephant man John Merrick, because you know the wold finds you repulsive. Do you have the sack over your head at home?
There must be a carnival somewhere that will take you in.
bencubed 19 hours ago
You could have saved me ten minutes and just said "Answer the problem of evil", which I can't. And not all Christians, I would say not the majority, don't believe in prayers in the way you represent them. I myself see them as a form of meditation.
lethalbee 22 hours ago
@Orthrus No. And no religion teaches people to do that. That's socio-economic trend, sadism and upbringing.
TheObservantAnna 1 day ago
@TheObservantAnna
Correct, their religion didn't teach them to do it. Hell, they violated their own religious laws and teachings when they did that shit. But they nonetheless did it for their religion, even if it was a twisted version that they were lied to about by their Imams.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus
"their religion didn't teach them to do it."
Their religion didn't STOP them, either. That kind of proves the claim religious liars often make that "their fairy tale makes people behave better" is false.
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
@FourDeuce01 Science didn't stop politicians dropping atomic bombs on innocent civilians either. What's your point?
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
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@SuperQweertyuiop
"What's your point?"
I posted my point. Did you miss it? Go back and read my post and you will see my point. I don't waste my time. I say what I mean, and I mean what I say.
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
@Orthrus I doubt it's the most prominent. Greed is. Greed for power being the case in point. It's relatively easy to twist religions like Christianity and Islam that teach to "love thy neighbour" etc, into an indoctrination technique to make people do what you wish.
TheObservantAnna 1 day ago
@TheObservantAnna
Greed is usually curbed by ones morality much easier. Sure, greed can cause one to politically instigate a war, but greed doesn't make a man beat a womans feet until they're shattered, pour boiling water over her until she dies, then eviscerate her organs, cut off her limbs, and decapitate the body.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus Once again, you are describing the actions of a minority of extremists. Yes, it can happen and it's wrong, but a non-religious man is equally capable of beating and raping his wife, or even more acts of aggression.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
Certainly equally capable, and if anything more capable, but it seems we've started to kind of circle, so let me just lay down my overall point.
Religion has a high tendency of causing bad things given the proper circumstances.
This has been very prominent through history and modern times, whether minority or not. The only upsides of religion are personal feelings of comfort, and charity work.
Given those factors, I personally think it should be abolished.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus Religion has been around for a lot longer than atheism. Of course history will show more examples of it causing problems. This is only common sense.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
Actually, atheism has been around a lot longer than religion, considering that every human being is born an atheist, and there was undeniably a time period of pre-history where the earliest peoples hadn't yet invented any religions - not that they even knew they were atheists, but merely that they'd never even considered the subject.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus Religion was a substitute for science. they didn't have the methods available to further their understanding of the universe until much, much later - thus, religion has always taken it's place. By using this incredibly deterministic approach you are assuming that we as people all lack free will. You may as well say we are all born evil, or since we eventually die, that we are all born dead.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
True, early people did. But it's logical that the earliest human begins hadn't yet considered such explanations.
Free will is one of the most tichy issues of philosophy, and frankly I'm not sure such a thing even exists.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus The cavemen believed the sun was a god. They also didn't understand the basic principles of friction, hence they believed that fir came from a fire god. Religion is as old as man, hence why history will show it as committing so many offences.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
And what about before the cavemen? I mean, do you think dogs believe the sun is god? It's an intelligence factor mate. I doubt the earliest forms of Hominid had quite the mental capacity to consider the sun to be anything beyond "light in sky". Hell, they probably couldn't even process the concept of "light" in the first place.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus I am not saying that religion is intelligent, I am merely providing an explanation as to why history may teach that religion is as bad as you believe. In this modern day an age, it is no better or worse that politics or any other groups or societies, and recent history proves that.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop And people still worship "the Sun" as god - all these gods = "THE SUN" JE$U$, Alluh, buddha, ra, Vishnu, Krishna, Yahweh, All bible-jewish gods and so on
myths like "walking on water" = sun shine on top of water - Raising the dead = Sun melting snow and plants regrowing
these Myths are Hymns, and chants to "the Sun"
graffffik 23 hours ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
"Religion has been around for a lot longer than atheism."
Bullshit. It's stupid lies like that which show your ignorance and arrogance.
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
@FourDeuce01 Check your profile page, I left you a message. And of course it's been around longer. it's been around since the first Cavemen, of which cave painting have shown that they assumed the sun itself was a god.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
"And of course it's been around longer."
Now I know you are a sub-moron. Anybody with 2 brain cells to rub together could figure out that atheism was around long before any cavemen dreamed up any fairy tales. I guess that shows your total lack of critical thinking skills. You have lowered the bar for stupidity here today.
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
@FourDeuce01 Explain your statements or stop with your obstreperousness. You are making a fool out of yourself.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
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@SuperQweertyuiop
"You are making a fool out of yourself."
At least I'm not being a TOTAL idiot like you are. You REALLY need to learn some critical thinking skills. You are painfully stupid.
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
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@SuperQweertyuiop
"Religion has been around for a lot longer than atheism."
"You are acting incredibly unintelligibly."
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
@TheObservantAnna
"It's relatively easy to twist religions like Christianity and Islam that teach to "love thy neighbour""
Especially when those fairy tales also tell people it's good to kill people sometimes.
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
@FourDeuce01 It's equally equal to twist such ideals like 'The right to the American dream', and then torture an entire race of people. It's easy to preach 'Democracy over Communism' and then support a tyrant who tortures his own people, eventually setting fire to villages full of children and executing an entire village of villagers 'because they're gooks' - blatant racism. No religion was involved in any of this It's easy to do a lot of things. We're only human.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
What was the name of that book or movie where some guy said, "I wonder why people never say that when they do something good?"
Anyone remember? "I'm only human"?
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus No. Religion doesn't do that, people do that. It's an excuse, sure, but blaming everything on god/Allah/etc is a dangerously flexible and flimsy argument.
TheObservantAnna 1 day ago
@TheObservantAnna
Well of course people do it, but that religion is a strong causative factor is undeniable. Religion isn't the only such factor, but it's certainly the most prominent one today.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus Please read the response I gave to you explaining why thinking in such a way is irrational. if you are intelligent as you claim, then you will understand it well.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
I did read it bro, and I replied telling you that I actually do have a logical reason. Namely that I've seen first hand what religion can cause. I also replied to another poster addressing the issue of, "Minority is not all of it".
Finally, what do you mean as intelligent as I claim? When have I talked about my intelligence so far?
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus You've seen first hand what the extremists have caused, and that fear of the extremists has generalized into all religions. This is how phobias work. Consider the behavioral study of Watson and Rayner as comparison. The child in the study has a fear of rabbits since he had been conditioned to think in such a way, and eventually that fear generalized into all animals. Please consider this and maybe research Watson and Rayner then you will have a better understanding of how phobias work.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
Well I don't consider it a phobia, because I'm not really afraid of religious folk at all. Hell, I acknowledge that many religious men and women are extremely nice people that I'd trust by my side when shit hits the fan, and honestly, complete strangers who were strongly religious did nicer things for me than most.
But this doesn't change how dangerous moderate religion can be for it's potential of erupting into extremism.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus There are extremists everywhere, some religious, some political, all dangerous; there is no doubting this. But it is not just the religious who are capable of such acts of aggression and terrorism. Consider this carefully. Politics and greed are just as guilty as religion for causing wars and violence.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
Sure, it's not just the religious. I don't claim that religion and religion alone is a problem. But I do feel that it's the most prominent one to address because of how widespread it is and because of how powerful of a root it can hold on ones behavior. You can argue with an radical environmentalist easier than you can a religious radical I'd say.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus How about the political extremist? Hitler, Stalin, Che Guevera, Eisnehower (vietnam war) Gdaffi, Kim Jong Iil and many more. I'd say these men are just as guilty, if not more so, for causing war and suffering.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
Of course those guys are just as guilty, and they all had different reasons for doing what they did. In the case of Hitler, religion played a factor. In Stalin and Lenin, both were documented to be psychotic (I'm Russian myself) and just downright power-hungry tyrants.
I don't know much about the others you mentioned, but I don't deny that they're equally evil.
Orthrus 1 day ago
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@Orthrus
"When have I talked about my intelligence so far?"
When you mentioned being a Marine. You know, all Marines learn to spell Marine in Boot Camp, M-O-R-O-N.
Just kidding. I spent 15 years in the Army and knew plenty of Marines. They were as intelligent as anybody else(except christians, of course).
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
@TheObservantAnna
"but blaming everything on god/Allah/etc is a dangerously flexible and flimsy argument."
It's also a Straw Man argument unless you can show somebody actually doing that. I hear christian liars all the time claiming ALL atheists do that, but I have never seen an atheist do that yet.
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
I look at the comments and feel vaguely embarrassed. I'm not a hard-core atheist, nor am I an abject believer. But I don't see the point in bashing religion, people. Or calling atheists stupid. Religion is pretty human. We use it as an excuse to do terrible things, and then we trust it to lead us to safety. People use it as a..life
TheObservantAnna 1 day ago
@TheObservantAnna
Well bro, I advise you to take a trip to the Jolan District in Fallujah, or barring that, google "Jolan Torture House" and see for yourself what religion does. That is why I hate it the way I do.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@TheObservantAnna I've tried to explain this to them, yet they are too stubborn to see it. Your words are wasted here. Trying to debate with one who has cast aside the use of reason is like trying to administer medicine to the dead.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ&ob=av2e In this video even Dawkins himself mentions how this generation of atheists are an insult to intelligence. Watch and be convinced.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
Ranting about religion is just as bad as being religious.
livinginbedlam 1 day ago
@livinginbedlam Finally! Someone with some sense!
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
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@livinginbedlam
"Ranting about religion is just as bad as being religious"
Prove it. Don't just claim it. Otherwise you're just as bad as the religious fools.
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
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livinginbedlam 7 hours ago
@FourDeuce01
Ask for proof in mathematics. It's the only place you are going to get it.
Amiability is a more important commodity than belief. If you find yourself actively hating people for the ideas in their heads, then you are no better than an Ayatollah - and given the political power, you would probably abuse it in exactly the same kinds of ways.
livinginbedlam 7 hours ago
@livinginbedlam
"Amiability is a more important commodity than belief."
As a person with a working brain of my own, I prefer to decide for myself what is more important to me.
"If you find yourself actively hating people for the ideas in their heads, then you are no better than an Ayatollah"
Another subjective opinion. I'll make that one for myself too. Are you used to telling people what they should think?
FourDeuce01 5 hours ago
Not one of you have managed to compose an intelligent counter argument. Your statements are based either on suppositions, opinions, someone else's theories or simple superstition. The only logical explanation for this is you are in denial of your theophobia, mainly because you enjoy it. It gives your life purpose - you feel that by being prejudiced against religion you are doing the world a favor. This is quite the display of faulty cognition, irrational heuristics, mental deficiency...
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop Or to give it it's correct term, simply being an American. I weep for the future of your country if you are the people considered to be 'intellectuals'.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
Ask Salman Rushdie if his being in hiding and under constant protection against fatwa ordered assassins can serve as something other than our: "suppositions, opinions, someone else's theories or simple superstition."
Dork glasses.
yankinCanada 1 day ago
@yankinCanada Again, you are falsely assuming the actions of a few extremists represent the whole. I would have thought you got the point by now - That is displaying irrational heuristics, and it is a sure sign of an unhealthy mind. The extremists of religion are the loudest, and so are often the one that are heard the most, much like the way the stupid Americans are the loudest, hence, the world stereotypes you as a country full of idiots.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
You know what you don't hear that is more deafening than the last guttural scream Daniel Pearl uttered?
The loud, energetic condemnation of the moderate religious community of acts like this done with the excusing proclamation of: divine inspiration, divine warrant, glorification of, or in the service of their god. The silence is deafening.
The pious know darn well that they argue against themselves when they deny a pious finger pointing to a holy book justification.
yankinCanada 1 day ago
@yankinCanada The grammar in your prose and structuring of your arguments are appalling. It is difficult to understand what you are trying to say; alas, I doubt even you are truly aware of your own intentions. Please, try and avoid using words you do not understand and then write that statement again.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
You Gen "Y"ers need to read slower. Your brains have been trained for instant gratification by video games and school project research done by Google searches.
yankinCanada 1 day ago
@yankinCanada Typical response of one who has run out of points to make; resorting to insults. How bold of you!
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
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@SuperQweertyuiop
"Typical response of one who has run out of points to make; resorting to insults. How bold of you!"
Typical response of one who has no idea what truth is; calling the truth "insults". How dishonest of you.
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
@yankinCanada I also find it amusing how you assume to know my age and the activities I engage in. Care to explain that one?
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
"I also find it amusing how you assume to know my age and the activities I engage in."
Not too hard to do.
"Care to explain that one?"
Your mental age is about 3 or so. The activities you engage in on Youtube are lying, posting more lies and trying to defend your belief in a childish fairy tale.
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
@FourDeuce01 Once again I will reiterate that I do not believe in Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism or any other religion - I simply cannot stand to suffer intolerant fools. Is that such a crime?
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
So are you theistic or an atheist?
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus I am an atheist, but unlike many on this video I am no fool. Irrational hatred solves nothing.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
Why do you consider the hatred of religion to be irrational?
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus Because you have no logical reason to hate it. A small minority of spiders carry a deadly venom, yet the fear of spiders still carries the suffix of -phobia assuming a fear of them to be irrational. The same goes for having a hatred of religion.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
"Because you have no logical reason to hate it"
Well, I don't like boasting about this or mentioning it, but I'm a Marine. I've seen my logical reason firsthand, in both cultures across the world.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus You are a Marine. That means you have been thrust into war-zones where you have seen the extremist side of religion only, therefore, my point is still valid and your hatred of religion could be considered as theophobia brought on by your experiences with extremists during your work as a marine.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
You're absolutely right that extremist does not justify hatred of all religion, but the problem is that religion offers no upside to the downsides (extremism) of it, and ALL religion is capable of extremely easily turning into extremism once the pressure is on. This happened in New Orleans during Katrina, where a Christian mob of 200 declared Apocalypse and ran around stabbing people.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@Orthrus No upsides? How about the charity work they do? Offering hope for the hopeless and, as ridiculous as it sounds, the promise of a wonderful afterlife (although i don't believe in any of these myself). There are funerals, weddings, christenings and all sorts of events that are usually centered around a church. They do as much good as they do bad, just like any other human being on this planet.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
All sorts of people do charity. Religion doesn't do charity because it's religious, but because there are just people that want to help.
I don't consider false hope to be an upside mate. It's delusion. Just because religion makes people feel better can be considered a merit by many, but not by me. Feel good beliefs don't really cut it after the life I've experienced. Just a personal complex of mine I guess.
Orthrus 1 day ago
@SuperQweertyuiop
"you have seen the extremist side of religion only,"
Wrong, liar. "your hatred of religion could be considered as theophobia"
Only by a dishonest person who is integrity deprived.
FourDeuce01 1 day ago
@FourDeuce01 Explain your statements, don't just make them. You are acting incredibly unintelligibly.
SuperQweertyuiop 1 day ago