I wanna punch him so fucking hard my fist comes out of his ass.
How comes that killing a thing that has no brain and is the size of a rice is a mortal sin but murdering a grown, fully functioning human being is completely ok?
The westboro baptist morons are actually less biggoted than that piece of garbage.
"Do we have the right to hurt other individuals? To kill other individuals? The Ten Commandments forbids us to kill."
No need to split hairs over abortion to test the sincerity of this guy's statements. Just ask him what his attitude is toward the killing of millions of individuals in Iraq and Afghanistan is. The fact that he's got an American flag draped over his sofa should give you a big clue to his answer, even if his kuckleheaded bible-thumping obsession over abortion didn't.
Every sperm is sacred, every fetus deserving of life - how else will the god of the bible get his full measure of souls he can gleefully pop in his uber-oven - those who are guilty of the 'crime of not lucking out & guessing correctly / dedicating oneself to the correct fairy-tale.
Which by the way, the correct one, for those of you who would like to know, is the 'Church of Ed Wood'
Geerup shut yer fuckin piehole bitch. Leave my baby alone. Would you consider going on a date with my son Shawn? He is a good boy. He has a lot of money from endless donations. I can give you the LSD to slip in his diet Tab. I think that would help him. Then you may have your way with him.
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Just a short comment on your video there.
Well.. your question is interesting. What would you do yourself?
I mean. The question is like: If your mother probbably was about to die. But for some reason, if you kill a person you don't really know or really care for, your mother can live on. What would you do?
I mean.. what can we do?
I think he doesnt answer because he simply doesnt care to answer a question like that.
I know that my mom had to terminate a pregnancy when I was still a toddler; she would have died and been unable to care for me. For years she grieved that baby...and dried and saved the bouquet of flowers my dad gave her as a grieving present despite the fact that they'd been seperated for at least 1-2 years.
Based on the description of ectopic pregancy and what she's told me, that's what it sounds like it was.
Women still die in labor. Even women who seem to be perfectly healthy. It doesn't happen often, but still it happens. Even in rich countries, in best hospitals. Any woman can die in labour, so every woman should have a right to prevent that. It's her life & her body. Why "pro-life" isn't pro woman's life?
If God is against abortion then why he's aborting 25% of all pregnancies? 1 in 5 pregnancies is a spontanious miscarriage. Grow up, Geerup.
I fear a world in which the venomfangxs and geerups of the world weild sufficeint power to plunge us into another dark age. My suggestion to all men and women of reason is to arm yourselves, because as far as i can tell they have a tactical advantage over as at the moment. I'm not advocating a first strike just the ability to defend ourselves from the book burners and witch-hunters. God help us all
Geerup posted a video recently where his kids asked him questions. He was asked 'what is natural selection'. Naturally, he couldn't answer because he doesn't know. He went on to describe 'selective breeding'. I Asked him about this and his answer literally made no sense. It was the ramblings of an uneducated mad man. I believe we are WASTING OUR TIME WITH THIS MAN and should ignore him entirely.
wait, you mean it actually REPRODUCED ._. If anything can possibly make me doubt the idea of evolution by natural selection it's the fact that fucktards like him actually multiply
The chance that your kid might turn out like geerup should be reason alone for abortion to be legal. What a cunt dork. If he would've LISTENED to thunderfoot he would have heard him SAY the answer. Fucking asshole.
I saw the whole of that interveiw, and as far as I could tell both Ray and Tfoot both expressed their veiws and answered all questions to the best of their ability. Geerup, knock off your god-damn witch hunt's!!!!
He answered that in a case like that he will do NOTHING, so that means that he would kill the mother and the baby at the same time :D. Saying that he hopes for a miracle is just an stupid justification for being irresponsible and stupid, the fact that there are rare cases were the baby is born and the mother lives does not means that it will happen to his wife, in fact the probability of happening is so low that I would recommend suicide rather than die in that way.
could you be more specific? what was the reply? And what fact do you refer to? You have made an assertion here, and if you are an honest person you should be able to back it up. I'm not an atheist if that helps you respond.
There is a better BBC article on the pregnancy Ovary baby survives against odds. This shows that the fetus developed in the ovary not the fallopian tube and the abnormal position was not detected until the Caesarean section was preformed. DPR Jones' issue of tubal pregnancy has not been adequately addressed by bring up a unusual but unrelated case . GeerUp's idea of practicing medicine by expecting miracles is why people like GeerUp are generally not placed in positions of responsibility.
What I can't get past is Geerup's mental hypocricy regarding 'the beauty of life'. Surely he should want more babies to be aborted because that way there's less of them burning in hell?
Geerup is a crazy person but the parallel you drew with the Thunderf00t thing is a little odd.
I mean, there are questions asked by all kinds of people sharing videos all over the place like a room filled with people raising their hands and then there is a question asked by a person sitting right there next to you in a one on one conversation.
Still, it would be neat to see him try and answer it.
There are some examples of ectopic pregnancy that where the mother lives but it is very rare. It is very painful for the mother to almost her term. Surgery is usual involve and it is very risky to both the mother and child. Now these examples are when the ectopic pregnancy is not caught early. Only one of the woman had a happy ending and the child was born successful but in this case she had more then one.
Abortion should be a woman's right it is her body. Abortions should be performed at a early stage of pregnancy of course. There are lots of conditions that would make risky to not have a baby.
The woman in the case above was lucky but if caught early this pregnancy should be aborted to protect the mother's life. It is not a nature pregnancy sometimes these ectopic pregnancy the baby can become attach to vital organs.
The woman in the special I watch the afterbirth had to left inside her because the doctors fear that removing it would cause her to bleed to death.
I do agree with your video. I just wanted to share that info from the special I watched. Because the video said that ectopic pregnancy cannot be saved.
Human women have evolved the tendency to have miscarriages.
The women with fewer offspring could more successfully abscond from the approach of a predator, in a savannah environment, if she had fewer offspring to carry. Those offspring would be more likely to survive and reproduce.
Women with more offspring to carry would have been killed more readily making them less fit.
Don't ALL pregnancies put the mothers life at a heightened risk? After the age of 35 this risk is elevated even more... So the church gets to judge what an acceptable risk to a persons life is? Please.... These are people who think the risk of getting aids is unimportant if it requires a condom to stop it.
strange man's desire to stop thinking and let somebody else decide for him what is best...I will never understand how people can replace their own thoughts with the instructions of any organized religion...
If it comes down to the mother's life or the baby's life then the woman is given the choice of an abortion and the church supports that right. We would be anti-life if we claimed the woman comes second to the baby.
The church is by no means perfect. Original sin took care of that. However tell me one thing the church teaches today that is not in accordance with the word of God.
Good to find this channel, sub'd . Was jonesin' for a dpr fix. To take kaxitaksi's point further, wonder what a christian anti-abortionists would do if their life or the life of a loved one was threatened by an ectropic pregnancy? Also strange logic, that an abortion doctor gunned down while he was at church, got a "he had it coming" response from some of them. As for the question, lets hope Geerup is having a good long think.
It's fun to watch christians so upset by "killing" an embryo but still it's quite ok to go abroad and kill living people in war after war. Strange logic based upon christian equally strange morals...
As for the video, duh, it was clearly God's will that both the mother and the child be put to death. Ectopia is a sign of God more ambiguos than the shape of laminin, but Christians know because of the holy spirit or something.
I love your videos, especially as of late. You've taken a very monotone approach when dealing with two of the most slimy, egotistical bastards ever to grace YouTube with their unholy presence and mind numbing stupidity. Granted I'm not very smart myself, but at least I don't pretend to be -- or flaunt the fact that I'm not.
As someone pointed out in another comment page: Talking to Ray and his ilk about anything that isn't "God done it" seems to be much like trying to explain sexual concepts like sodomy to a child. Even the most practiced parent will probably do some stuttering and have some thought pauses.
Things like the stuttering issue (which is largely ad hom) are the only ammo that Team PCS has going for them. Their actions show clearly as desperate straw-grasping.
Yeah, it's really pathetic and ironic. They criticize Tf00t for stuttering out his answers to Ray's questions yet Ray get's a free pass by completely dodging Tf00t's questions altogether?
You should also ask him if its wrong to get and abortion if you were raped, there circumstances in which abortion is the wright thing to do and usually people don't get an abortion just because.
actually I've used this argument a lot and the christian mostly says they wouldn't get the abortion. Its rather maddening.
the argument i always that has never been rebutted yet is: "what about miscarriages?" 40% of pregnancies end in miscarriages. Then does that mean god didn't want you to have that baby? If so then god has aborted more babies than every abortion clinic in the world.
God already is the most notorious mass murderer ever.
lets see he supposedly destroyed every living creature on earth during the flood, totaled two of the most thriving cities at the time of Saddam & Gomorrah, killed all the first borns of Egypt, and all their soldiers I might add by drowning them in the sea, and don't even get me started on Joshua. He slaughtered nations for god.
Geerup, VFX, Nephilimfree, Ray Comfort, Hovind, Ham etc wouldn't do anything because they don't have the expertise. They haven't done the studying and training to be able to know how to identify the problem, what to do or how to do it. However they do feel that despite failing to have any knowledge on the subjects they hold forth on, they for some unfathomable reason have the right to hold forth on those subjects. Could this be because they're all idiots? It's looking that way.
Ah yes. Every single time a Creationist is presented with an awkward question ........... Silence.
I watch the whole TF/Comfort debate. Not ONCE did TF fail to respond to Comfort. A delay in response caused by careful consideration of the question does not constitute a lack of response ........ unless of course you edit the video in the same way that you apply quote mining of the written word.
Quite true. I've long lost my patience with creationists who want an immediate answer to questions in favor of allowing their opponents the time to reflect upon the stupid and often irrelevant philosophical questions that creationists tend to ask. It takes time to give an answer, especially when there are misconceptions built into the question.
In contrast, a creationist will frequently give canned answers and will not relent from those answers, no matter how many objections are raised.
Since when does stuttering mean you're not answering a question? People get nervous, people need some time to collect their thoughts, people (I know Geerup doesn't) needs to have thoughts about what they're going to say before they just blurt it out.
I agree. Maybe the brain is working so fast that; the ability of speech is not fast enough for the mouth. it's like an overload of information due to the extreme load of info that is flowing through the neurons.
Not too mention the biggest abortionist in the universe is geerup's god. The reason being is that 75% of all fertilizations end in spontaneous abortions. Let the dip shit answer to that little bit of trivia.
I will. Personally I think we save too many people. Human life has been given an artificially inflated value. Let them both die is just stupid, but he'll say "It's gods will". Me, I think we have way too many people on this planet, and way too many are reproducing. Let them both die is fine with me, as it's less people in the long run. That's what we need more than anything... less people.
I don't get why bible thumpers are anti-abortion when the bible is pro-abortion! There are plenty of passages where mothers with children are killed and even a passage that says abortion is fine if the husband wants it (in the case cited the woman was raped I believe)
The only possible anti-abortion stance the bible takes is 'Thou shall not kill' which is clearly more of a suggestion than an actually law since people are being slaughtered right and left in the dang thing.
I think there should be a flagging campaign of any and all religious fucktard videos. I for one am sick and tired of these mother fuckers who can not make a point and instead insist that only they should have freedom of speech.
I work in diagnostic imaging in a hospital, and a lot of people would be surprised at how often women come in with ectopic pregnancies. Seems like they're coming in at least a couple of times a week, and we're a pretty small hospital.
I wish I coulda said "Just answer the question" when TF asked Ray if pedophilia would be moral if god said so. I've never heard a Christian answer that with anything other than "God would never do that!"
I completely agree that an abortion should be carried out during an ectopic pregnancy.
I really can't stand Geerup, so this is just a general statement towards anyone who has seen the video. What is Geerup talking about when he says, "Answer the question?"
i guess he would argue that god put this women, her unborn baby and the whole family into this position because it's part of his so god damn "loving" and god damn "just" god because it's part of his "bigger plan" for all of us.
If only religious belief was only a matter of personal opinion like the belief of tarot cards and flying saucers. But unfortunately, this has never been so. Religions are, and have always been about how to control people, frequently with harmful results, sometimes mild, often severe. As there are the same evidence for religion as tarot reading then it should have 'NO SAY', I want an end to religion once and for all!
maybe he doesn't watch your videos or thought you weren't worth his time or something. Not everything that comes out of the VFX channel is dripping with lies and Hypocrisy. Although that is the exception i admit.
questions in which creationists cant think for themselves, the answer is "God did it" and if its a question that is logical but would make God be an asshole, they ignore the question
There you go spoiling Geerup's conveyance of God's holy and righteous judgement with reason.rationality and facts again! WHEN WILL YOU EVER LEARN? GRRRRRRRRR! :-)
Actually, GEERUP, it says "Thou Shalt not Murder." (once you get past the various contradictory version *in* the bible in Exodus and Deuteronomy). The actual word in Hebrew means "To take a life in vain (for personal reasons)", but that's what "murder" means, so we can let it slide.
Thunderfoot in that video did answer the question. Geerup (like so many creationists) just didn't have the patience to hear the answer, which was complex. Or he expects everyone to answer on a whim and in a couple of sentences, which takes hours to answer and explain.
Ray Comfort only had to say "God did it" and he was done. A none answering answer.
I knew a friend at work who suffered an ectopic pregancy...very sad situation. She and her husband were looking forward to having their first child together. Alas it was not to be. They gave up trying to have children after that.
My mum had an ectopic pregnancy before I was born. I, and my two brothers, would not be alive if it were not for the practice of abortion and the life-saving medical personnel who we all take for granted.
Those who claim abortion is are murder are oddly unwilling to say how long a prison term the woman should get. Therefore they don't actually believe that abortion is murder. Therefore they're hypocrites.
Too bad I'm not unwilling to say how long a prison term should be. Murder is murder- so obviously the prison term should be decided by the justice system. If it were up to me, every murderer would get the death penalty. There is no excuse for killing someone. Accidents don't count.
If there is no excuse for killing someone, then how can you support the death penalty? That doesn't seem consistent. Catholics are remarkably consistent on this one: No abortions, no death penalty, no euthanasia.
It is consistent to what is taught in Christianity. Capital punishment isn't wrong and it is taught in the scriptures. o_O
The only way I see abortion as being "alright" is if you have to have it in order to save the mother's life. If the mother's life isn't in danger, then I believe it's wrong.
Not wrong to force women to give birth to the child of, say, a rapist? Why? Why does a rapist get to be a father while a woman doesn't get to make up her own mind?
The adoption process is a bureaucratic nightmare. It is extremely stressful and there's A LOT of legal shit involved. Teenage mothers should not be forced to go through that.
So you are taking out the fact that rape wasn't involved and that personal responsibility should be thrown out the door? Lol, that's the biggest "FAIL", as 1Weemaryanne would put it. Just because they don't want to be hassled about taking care of a child, that makes abortion alright? Priorities seem to be mixed up there. Personal responsibility and making sure that you don't end up pregnant is key.
You can take measures to prevent pregnancy, but birth control fails sometimes, and people make mistakes, especially teenagers. Legislating morality doesn't work, anyway. If abortions were banned they would still happen, except they'd be dangerous and illegal. Women are second class citizens if they can't control their own bodies.
If you interfere in the mothers ( a stranger to you) choice and force an unwanted baby into the world you have assumed all responsibility for that child by way of your interference. Christian morals are shallow in that preventing the abortion appeases God but does nothing for the victim (the child). Christ may not think you have an obligation to the child but you do, You must provide the nurturing and financial support the child needs. You assume the mothers burden with your interference.
Whether or not it is consistent with Christianity is debatable. Remember, there are 33,000+ denominations of Christianity, all with different interpretations of scripture. I'm merely arguing that your statements are inconsistent. Also, from a scriptural perspective, abortion is not only never mentioned, there are passages that indicate that it isn't even a sin. Exodus 21:22-25 seems to indicate that an abortion is an offense resolved by a monetary fine.
It is inconsistent to what you believe. I was merely stating my belief and it is pretty consistent because nobody would get any other treatment. All murderers would have the death penalty if it were up to me. If that's not consistency, then I don't know what is. In today's society, we see too many murderers walking away with bullcrap sentences and you know it. If you want to talk consistency, then you should start with that. I'm saying, punishment wise, my belief is 100% consistent.
The inconsistency is that you argue against abortion on the premise of "thou shalt not kill", yet you are perfectly willing to kill people who are already alive under certain circumstances. Does human life have an inherent value, yes or no? If yes, then neither abortion nor the death penalty should be legal. If no, then both are allowable.
Before you ask, my personal stance on the matter is that human life has an inherent value, so the death penalty should not be legal, but I don't believe that a fetus becomes a separate life form until the cord has been cut.
Capitol punishment is wrong. If you kill the person, then s/he won't have time to think about her/his actions. And when you decide that capitol punishment isn't wrong, you are deciding that the person who is getting killed may be innocent.
People like Geerup would rather see a group of children with a dead mother, than a woman with her kids and family, as she cries with them over the loss of their expected addition.
When will religion stay out of science, medicine, and our bedrooms?
Late-term abortions aren't flippant decisions. These are hard medical decisions between a family and their doctor.
They're often the most difficult decisions that a parent or parents will ever make. Fundamentalists will portray said decisions as if they're like popping to the store.
Lol, he won't answer that. We know he won't. And btw, god DID say pedophilia was ok. Because most women in biblical times were married off at 13-14 and WAY before 20. If the soldiers were to keep the ones who have not yet felt the touch of a man...how old do you suspect they were?
Oh but of course. And I'll be making a video at some point detailing the retardation in saying we GET our morality from God. how could this be when I DISAGREE with his methods, I consider them IMMORAL. This would mean that he gave me a different set of morals than he has...ensuring general confusion and distrust.
Good point, I just made a video about the ten commandments in which I said I wouldn't have any because you can't really apply one steadfast rule to every situation.
Take murder for example, it is seen as immoral, yet soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan kill many people and are portrayed as heroes. This is just one example of how flexible our morality can be.
I wish these inbred morons would get their medical facts straight! A zygote IS NOT A BABY; it can hardly even be called "human" and only by common terminology. In medical terms, anything within the first 2 trimesters (ESPECIALLY the first) is nothing but a, say it with me, "Parasitic Blastocyst." Period. They quite often endanger the woman's life.
God - "Don't kill people."
Shortly there after, God - "Go kill all those people over in that land I said you can have."
Yeah, seems pretty clear, God said don't kill people.
BusinessIDBAI 1 year ago
I wanna punch him so fucking hard my fist comes out of his ass.
How comes that killing a thing that has no brain and is the size of a rice is a mortal sin but murdering a grown, fully functioning human being is completely ok?
The westboro baptist morons are actually less biggoted than that piece of garbage.
sapunec7854 1 year ago
Good video. I am sorry to hear about your channel being suspended.
TheMathgeek37 1 year ago
"Do we have the right to hurt other individuals? To kill other individuals? The Ten Commandments forbids us to kill."
No need to split hairs over abortion to test the sincerity of this guy's statements. Just ask him what his attitude is toward the killing of millions of individuals in Iraq and Afghanistan is. The fact that he's got an American flag draped over his sofa should give you a big clue to his answer, even if his kuckleheaded bible-thumping obsession over abortion didn't.
MagiMysteryTour 1 year ago
Jesus Christ, don't you people get it?!?
Every sperm is sacred, every fetus deserving of life - how else will the god of the bible get his full measure of souls he can gleefully pop in his uber-oven - those who are guilty of the 'crime of not lucking out & guessing correctly / dedicating oneself to the correct fairy-tale.
Which by the way, the correct one, for those of you who would like to know, is the 'Church of Ed Wood'
atrumira 2 years ago
/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
YourXavier 2 years ago
Geerup shut yer fuckin piehole bitch. Leave my baby alone. Would you consider going on a date with my son Shawn? He is a good boy. He has a lot of money from endless donations. I can give you the LSD to slip in his diet Tab. I think that would help him. Then you may have your way with him.
TheHiltonkaron 2 years ago
information destroys faith yet again!
questionsamson 2 years ago 5
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Just a short comment on your video there.
Well.. your question is interesting. What would you do yourself?
I mean. The question is like: If your mother probbably was about to die. But for some reason, if you kill a person you don't really know or really care for, your mother can live on. What would you do?
I mean.. what can we do?
I think he doesnt answer because he simply doesnt care to answer a question like that.
knaspelle 2 years ago
he doesn't want to answer such a question? what the hell do you mean?
this is a direct question, and not like your silly little analogy at all.
a better analogy would be, if you killed a person your mother would live, but if you dont they BOTH die anyway.
honestly what the hell do you think would happen to this "baby" if the mother dies? grow it in a tube? transplant it to another mother?
if any of the words i used are confounding you, there are many online dictionarys simpleton.
opinonatedAzzhole 2 years ago
I know that my mom had to terminate a pregnancy when I was still a toddler; she would have died and been unable to care for me. For years she grieved that baby...and dried and saved the bouquet of flowers my dad gave her as a grieving present despite the fact that they'd been seperated for at least 1-2 years.
Based on the description of ectopic pregancy and what she's told me, that's what it sounds like it was.
Dhesyca 2 years ago
Women still die in labor. Even women who seem to be perfectly healthy. It doesn't happen often, but still it happens. Even in rich countries, in best hospitals. Any woman can die in labour, so every woman should have a right to prevent that. It's her life & her body. Why "pro-life" isn't pro woman's life?
If God is against abortion then why he's aborting 25% of all pregnancies? 1 in 5 pregnancies is a spontanious miscarriage. Grow up, Geerup.
UserNr001 2 years ago 19
I fear a world in which the venomfangxs and geerups of the world weild sufficeint power to plunge us into another dark age. My suggestion to all men and women of reason is to arm yourselves, because as far as i can tell they have a tactical advantage over as at the moment. I'm not advocating a first strike just the ability to defend ourselves from the book burners and witch-hunters. God help us all
icarusearthbound 2 years ago 4
Geerup posted a video recently where his kids asked him questions. He was asked 'what is natural selection'. Naturally, he couldn't answer because he doesn't know. He went on to describe 'selective breeding'. I Asked him about this and his answer literally made no sense. It was the ramblings of an uneducated mad man. I believe we are WASTING OUR TIME WITH THIS MAN and should ignore him entirely.
arseymcpherson 2 years ago 5
wait, you mean it actually REPRODUCED ._. If anything can possibly make me doubt the idea of evolution by natural selection it's the fact that fucktards like him actually multiply
dapanzy 2 years ago
The chance that your kid might turn out like geerup should be reason alone for abortion to be legal. What a cunt dork. If he would've LISTENED to thunderfoot he would have heard him SAY the answer. Fucking asshole.
338dmac 2 years ago 17
You, sir, have made my day. Well done.
xD
SunsetFlare 2 years ago 3
Gratsi, senora, gratsi :)
338dmac 2 years ago
geerup's head is a block of concrete with a really small door leading into it; only a tiny amount of info can go in and everything else hits a wall
dapanzy 2 years ago
And if you try to force to much into it at the same time they get squished <.<
RazielKain 2 years ago
@338dmac The chance that he could grow up to be Geerup is enough to make abortion MANDATORY
Bernstein1917 7 months ago
Oh and since I never get a chance to say this, u rock DPR =)
jryanshaw 2 years ago
I saw the whole of that interveiw, and as far as I could tell both Ray and Tfoot both expressed their veiws and answered all questions to the best of their ability. Geerup, knock off your god-damn witch hunt's!!!!
jryanshaw 2 years ago
Thank God he made his response private. His opinion has no merit and he would actually be killing people if they listened to him.
Ripley747 2 years ago
GEERUP is a chickenshit, much like other creationist idiots.
TheFlST 2 years ago
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VIDEO HAS BEEN REPLIED AND ... you have been owned atheists ... dont reply, cant argue with a fact
MastroCicio 2 years ago
what ever, he didn't answer it, he said what and hope for a miracle, wtf does that mean???
What are the facts? Hmmmmm
SuzukiSwiftAlex 2 years ago
He answered that in a case like that he will do NOTHING, so that means that he would kill the mother and the baby at the same time :D. Saying that he hopes for a miracle is just an stupid justification for being irresponsible and stupid, the fact that there are rare cases were the baby is born and the mother lives does not means that it will happen to his wife, in fact the probability of happening is so low that I would recommend suicide rather than die in that way.
ShikiGamiKun 2 years ago
could you be more specific? what was the reply? And what fact do you refer to? You have made an assertion here, and if you are an honest person you should be able to back it up. I'm not an atheist if that helps you respond.
intelligentfalling 2 years ago
Geerup's answer is wait for a miracle.
No miracles.
Did prayer or a miracle work for the Wisconsin couple who let their child die from treatable diabetes?
Wake up f$ck sticks!!!!!!
You can't pick and choose your science like evangelicals do. Either give it all up and live in a grass hut or except it and deal with it!!!!
DoubtingThomas666 2 years ago
S T F U
MastroCicio 2 years ago
No, you S T F U.
DoubtingThomas666 2 years ago
pfft... dprjones got owned.
RomanSoldier13 2 years ago
I notice he didn't say anything about the question Ray Comfort wouldn't answer regarding pedophilia being ok if God sanctioned it.
RichardRoy2 2 years ago
dear dprjones,
GEERUP has given a stellar response that has outclassed you in every way possible.
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
Outclassed? LMAO!! You are funny!
mrsalmon1984 2 years ago
Yes, GeerUp is truly in a very special class that travels on a very short bus. I love that guy.
happyjesus123 2 years ago
There is a better BBC article on the pregnancy Ovary baby survives against odds. This shows that the fetus developed in the ovary not the fallopian tube and the abnormal position was not detected until the Caesarean section was preformed. DPR Jones' issue of tubal pregnancy has not been adequately addressed by bring up a unusual but unrelated case . GeerUp's idea of practicing medicine by expecting miracles is why people like GeerUp are generally not placed in positions of responsibility.
happyjesus123 2 years ago
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VenomFangX has just blocked and banned me for posting this comment on his channel.
happyjesus123 2 years ago
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Kimiko127 2 years ago
What I can't get past is Geerup's mental hypocricy regarding 'the beauty of life'. Surely he should want more babies to be aborted because that way there's less of them burning in hell?
ThisIsRysta 2 years ago
Blow a tuba into the mother's belly until the foetus gets fed up and shuffles along into the womb? It might work?
Captain Jazz has read the tags... I have not
athywren 2 years ago
Geerup is a crazy person but the parallel you drew with the Thunderf00t thing is a little odd.
I mean, there are questions asked by all kinds of people sharing videos all over the place like a room filled with people raising their hands and then there is a question asked by a person sitting right there next to you in a one on one conversation.
Still, it would be neat to see him try and answer it.
CorndogMaker 2 years ago
This video has been up for 4 days and there is no reply from Geerup. How odd.
AlanCFA 2 years ago
check again silly savage
CapnnOrdinary 2 years ago
There are some examples of ectopic pregnancy that where the mother lives but it is very rare. It is very painful for the mother to almost her term. Surgery is usual involve and it is very risky to both the mother and child. Now these examples are when the ectopic pregnancy is not caught early. Only one of the woman had a happy ending and the child was born successful but in this case she had more then one.
Kimiko127 2 years ago
Abortion should be a woman's right it is her body. Abortions should be performed at a early stage of pregnancy of course. There are lots of conditions that would make risky to not have a baby.
The woman in the case above was lucky but if caught early this pregnancy should be aborted to protect the mother's life. It is not a nature pregnancy sometimes these ectopic pregnancy the baby can become attach to vital organs.
Kimiko127 2 years ago
The woman in the special I watch the afterbirth had to left inside her because the doctors fear that removing it would cause her to bleed to death.
I do agree with your video. I just wanted to share that info from the special I watched. Because the video said that ectopic pregnancy cannot be saved.
Kimiko127 2 years ago
Human women have evolved the tendency to have miscarriages.
The women with fewer offspring could more successfully abscond from the approach of a predator, in a savannah environment, if she had fewer offspring to carry. Those offspring would be more likely to survive and reproduce.
Women with more offspring to carry would have been killed more readily making them less fit.
lynchmobb2000 2 years ago
If the mother's pregnancy puts her life at risk then an abortion is permissible in the eyes of the church.
WinstonChurchill 2 years ago
Don't ALL pregnancies put the mothers life at a heightened risk? After the age of 35 this risk is elevated even more... So the church gets to judge what an acceptable risk to a persons life is? Please.... These are people who think the risk of getting aids is unimportant if it requires a condom to stop it.
creamsykle 2 years ago
strange man's desire to stop thinking and let somebody else decide for him what is best...I will never understand how people can replace their own thoughts with the instructions of any organized religion...
1n354a 2 years ago
If it comes down to the mother's life or the baby's life then the woman is given the choice of an abortion and the church supports that right. We would be anti-life if we claimed the woman comes second to the baby.
WinstonChurchill 2 years ago
so the church can decide if an abortion is 'ok' but the pregnant woman can't? what else can the church decide for us?
verstwo2 2 years ago
Original sin through free will gives the woman the ability and the right to choose.
The church lays down the guidelines in accordance with the word of God.
WinstonChurchill 2 years ago
I'm not so sure that the church is in accordance with the word of God.
7omnia7 2 years ago
The church is by no means perfect. Original sin took care of that. However tell me one thing the church teaches today that is not in accordance with the word of God.
WinstonChurchill 2 years ago
Very difficult since the Bible is supposed to give us all the answeres and yet there are contraddictions in the scriptures.
Do you believe in "holy" men? I mean even nowadays saints that have been "enlighted"?
7omnia7 2 years ago
Scripture and Tradition. Not just the Bible.
What do you mean by holy men?
WinstonChurchill 2 years ago
I mean people capable of performing supernatural things.
7omnia7 2 years ago
God has been known for working miracles through many saints i.e. Saint Padre Pio, Saint Francis Asissi.
WinstonChurchill 2 years ago
So you do believe in them.
Do you think it's right (of course from a Biblical point of view) to worship them?
7omnia7 2 years ago
We do not worship them. We honour the saints just as we honour our Holy Mother. But we do not bow down in worship of these individuals.
WinstonChurchill 2 years ago
padre pio was a fraud
Rockster969 2 years ago
Ok i saw you're a Cahtolic so I guess you know the story of father "Pio"?
7omnia7 2 years ago
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WinstonChurchill 2 years ago
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WinstonChurchill 2 years ago
It wouldn't let me attach the link in the comment box.
"Padre Pio Man of Hope" by Renzo Allegri is a very good book which I do recommend. Also the video below will tell you a few brief miracles.
WinstonChurchill 2 years ago
Falco PUNCH abortions are the only anwser.
BabmerChan 2 years ago
Good to find this channel, sub'd . Was jonesin' for a dpr fix. To take kaxitaksi's point further, wonder what a christian anti-abortionists would do if their life or the life of a loved one was threatened by an ectropic pregnancy? Also strange logic, that an abortion doctor gunned down while he was at church, got a "he had it coming" response from some of them. As for the question, lets hope Geerup is having a good long think.
bjeh001 2 years ago
DPRJones your awesome.
You and Tf00t remind me of each other.
R3APER24 2 years ago
It's fun to watch christians so upset by "killing" an embryo but still it's quite ok to go abroad and kill living people in war after war. Strange logic based upon christian equally strange morals...
kaxitaksi 2 years ago
As for the video, duh, it was clearly God's will that both the mother and the child be put to death. Ectopia is a sign of God more ambiguos than the shape of laminin, but Christians know because of the holy spirit or something.
quleughy 2 years ago
high five, dprjones!
dahwang12 2 years ago
I love your videos, especially as of late. You've taken a very monotone approach when dealing with two of the most slimy, egotistical bastards ever to grace YouTube with their unholy presence and mind numbing stupidity. Granted I'm not very smart myself, but at least I don't pretend to be -- or flaunt the fact that I'm not.
Managasm 2 years ago
As someone pointed out in another comment page: Talking to Ray and his ilk about anything that isn't "God done it" seems to be much like trying to explain sexual concepts like sodomy to a child. Even the most practiced parent will probably do some stuttering and have some thought pauses.
Things like the stuttering issue (which is largely ad hom) are the only ammo that Team PCS has going for them. Their actions show clearly as desperate straw-grasping.
0okamino 2 years ago
Yeah, it's really pathetic and ironic. They criticize Tf00t for stuttering out his answers to Ray's questions yet Ray get's a free pass by completely dodging Tf00t's questions altogether?
quleughy 2 years ago 2
You should also ask him if its wrong to get and abortion if you were raped, there circumstances in which abortion is the wright thing to do and usually people don't get an abortion just because.
MudHut67 2 years ago
actually I've used this argument a lot and the christian mostly says they wouldn't get the abortion. Its rather maddening.
the argument i always that has never been rebutted yet is: "what about miscarriages?" 40% of pregnancies end in miscarriages. Then does that mean god didn't want you to have that baby? If so then god has aborted more babies than every abortion clinic in the world.
Shigren 2 years ago 2
Shame on you. You shouldn't make Christians think! How dare you?
Just kidding.
roadkill5555556 2 years ago 3
lol - so if aborting babies is murder, then God is the most notorious mass murder ever....
....yeah God!!
1n354a 2 years ago
God already is the most notorious mass murderer ever.
lets see he supposedly destroyed every living creature on earth during the flood, totaled two of the most thriving cities at the time of Saddam & Gomorrah, killed all the first borns of Egypt, and all their soldiers I might add by drowning them in the sea, and don't even get me started on Joshua. He slaughtered nations for god.
Shigren 2 years ago
He can't answer until Shawn has told him what to say, probably, and Shawn's trying to get a response from Kent Hovind, so it could take a while.
AuntieDiluvian 2 years ago 7
I have, and they say banana cucumber.
TheMnesic 2 years ago
Geerup, VFX, Nephilimfree, Ray Comfort, Hovind, Ham etc wouldn't do anything because they don't have the expertise. They haven't done the studying and training to be able to know how to identify the problem, what to do or how to do it. However they do feel that despite failing to have any knowledge on the subjects they hold forth on, they for some unfathomable reason have the right to hold forth on those subjects. Could this be because they're all idiots? It's looking that way.
falchion49 2 years ago 2
Ah yes. Every single time a Creationist is presented with an awkward question ........... Silence.
I watch the whole TF/Comfort debate. Not ONCE did TF fail to respond to Comfort. A delay in response caused by careful consideration of the question does not constitute a lack of response ........ unless of course you edit the video in the same way that you apply quote mining of the written word.
pilgrimpater 2 years ago
Quite true. I've long lost my patience with creationists who want an immediate answer to questions in favor of allowing their opponents the time to reflect upon the stupid and often irrelevant philosophical questions that creationists tend to ask. It takes time to give an answer, especially when there are misconceptions built into the question.
In contrast, a creationist will frequently give canned answers and will not relent from those answers, no matter how many objections are raised.
Neilsama 2 years ago 2
Oh no! He got me! I'd better false DMCA and he will go away.
truvelocity 2 years ago 2
Since when does stuttering mean you're not answering a question? People get nervous, people need some time to collect their thoughts, people (I know Geerup doesn't) needs to have thoughts about what they're going to say before they just blurt it out.
FeralCr 2 years ago
I agree. Maybe the brain is working so fast that; the ability of speech is not fast enough for the mouth. it's like an overload of information due to the extreme load of info that is flowing through the neurons.
Charlymaumushi 2 years ago
wish I had that problem lol
99minerkc 2 years ago
In the video I uploaded before the one I uploaded today, I explained in the comments EXAQCTLY why thunderf00t was stuttering. (Tf00t Vs Ray part 6)
dechha1981 2 years ago
Haven't you figured out yet that Christians are pro-death? Death = Win in the All American Christians' Handbook.
empbac 2 years ago
THE MOTHER MUST DIE!!!!!!
G33RUP 2 years ago 2
HAIL SATAN
G33RUP 2 years ago
Not too mention the biggest abortionist in the universe is geerup's god. The reason being is that 75% of all fertilizations end in spontaneous abortions. Let the dip shit answer to that little bit of trivia.
kokobaboko 2 years ago
Answer the question Geerup!
I will. Personally I think we save too many people. Human life has been given an artificially inflated value. Let them both die is just stupid, but he'll say "It's gods will". Me, I think we have way too many people on this planet, and way too many are reproducing. Let them both die is fine with me, as it's less people in the long run. That's what we need more than anything... less people.
Ictinike 2 years ago
I don't get why bible thumpers are anti-abortion when the bible is pro-abortion! There are plenty of passages where mothers with children are killed and even a passage that says abortion is fine if the husband wants it (in the case cited the woman was raped I believe)
The only possible anti-abortion stance the bible takes is 'Thou shall not kill' which is clearly more of a suggestion than an actually law since people are being slaughtered right and left in the dang thing.
Otokogoroshi 2 years ago
Thunderf00t just got suspened.....This is fucking bullshit.
WashingMachine0 2 years ago 2
WT!!!
DIRTY ROTTEN MOTHERFUCKERS
I think there should be a flagging campaign of any and all religious fucktard videos. I for one am sick and tired of these mother fuckers who can not make a point and instead insist that only they should have freedom of speech.
Religious fucktards = STFU.
isegoria1 2 years ago
No, let them speak. And call them on their facepalm each and every time.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
Agreed
isegoria1 2 years ago
There will be blood.
kokobaboko 2 years ago
Tf00t is back up
AlanCFA 2 years ago
They are always getting suspended due to false DMCAs. It all goes with the credibility they have.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
I think your video response to Geerup was called "Question. Is PCS2 worse than PCS1? Answer. Yes!"
AlanCFA 2 years ago
He won't any the question, he will dismiss it as challenge by a "Sinful unbeliever" and thus unworthy to answer in light of the "obvious Truth".
brianblackberry 2 years ago
Thanks DPRJ
Have a nice day. cpt
ChangePerTime 2 years ago
Note the title of PCS2s video? Way to pick on something of substance geerup...
Katsuhisa777 2 years ago
I work in diagnostic imaging in a hospital, and a lot of people would be surprised at how often women come in with ectopic pregnancies. Seems like they're coming in at least a couple of times a week, and we're a pretty small hospital.
roentgen571 2 years ago 3
I wish I coulda said "Just answer the question" when TF asked Ray if pedophilia would be moral if god said so. I've never heard a Christian answer that with anything other than "God would never do that!"
BananaHurricane 2 years ago
I completely agree that an abortion should be carried out during an ectopic pregnancy.
I really can't stand Geerup, so this is just a general statement towards anyone who has seen the video. What is Geerup talking about when he says, "Answer the question?"
Clagnaught 2 years ago
i guess he would argue that god put this women, her unborn baby and the whole family into this position because it's part of his so god damn "loving" and god damn "just" god because it's part of his "bigger plan" for all of us.
i am sure that he won't answer this question
blues260 2 years ago
If only religious belief was only a matter of personal opinion like the belief of tarot cards and flying saucers. But unfortunately, this has never been so. Religions are, and have always been about how to control people, frequently with harmful results, sometimes mild, often severe. As there are the same evidence for religion as tarot reading then it should have 'NO SAY', I want an end to religion once and for all!
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
Hold PCS2 up to the standers he has for others is a great idea. I wish more people would do that for more creationists.
jebus6kryst 2 years ago 2
wasnt this also the one where ray comfort wouldnt let him answer?
mrmyxlptlk 2 years ago 3
maybe he doesn't watch your videos or thought you weren't worth his time or something. Not everything that comes out of the VFX channel is dripping with lies and Hypocrisy. Although that is the exception i admit.
932016 2 years ago
creationist rule 5a.1
if ever faced with a question in which u cant answer, are completely wrong about, or would make you a hypocrite, DONT ANSWER
cowards
dhcrazy333 2 years ago 3
yeah for them the default on I do not know is 'god'.
MsAntitheist 2 years ago
questions in which creationists cant think for themselves, the answer is "God did it" and if its a question that is logical but would make God be an asshole, they ignore the question
dhcrazy333 2 years ago 2
indeed
MsAntitheist 2 years ago
I'm still waiting for Geerbox's answer to AronRa's question about what Geerbox would consider an acceptable transitional form. Mules don't cut it.
I'm not holding my breath waiting. Is anyone else?
Geerbox has no answers, to anything.
achtungcircus 2 years ago 2
There you go spoiling Geerup's conveyance of God's holy and righteous judgement with reason.rationality and facts again! WHEN WILL YOU EVER LEARN? GRRRRRRRRR! :-)
KasparHauser4 2 years ago
Actually, GEERUP, it says "Thou Shalt not Murder." (once you get past the various contradictory version *in* the bible in Exodus and Deuteronomy). The actual word in Hebrew means "To take a life in vain (for personal reasons)", but that's what "murder" means, so we can let it slide.
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
He's a creationist. There's his excuse.
niiidar 2 years ago
Geerup is so stupid, he spends most of the day just trying to remember not to poop his pants.
Antichryst666 2 years ago
Thunderfoot in that video did answer the question. Geerup (like so many creationists) just didn't have the patience to hear the answer, which was complex. Or he expects everyone to answer on a whim and in a couple of sentences, which takes hours to answer and explain.
Ray Comfort only had to say "God did it" and he was done. A none answering answer.
DoggySpew 2 years ago 2
I has read the tags. Dorky win for me.
SmtrPhilosopherRedux 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What a wast of time 1 star for you!
ISnoGOD12 2 years ago
You can't even spell...double FAIL @ being a troll and spelling! :P
GrandAdmiralShavy 2 years ago
^ read the tags ; )
Connected2U2 2 years ago
I knew a friend at work who suffered an ectopic pregancy...very sad situation. She and her husband were looking forward to having their first child together. Alas it was not to be. They gave up trying to have children after that.
JJR93 2 years ago
My mum had an ectopic pregnancy before I was born. I, and my two brothers, would not be alive if it were not for the practice of abortion and the life-saving medical personnel who we all take for granted.
comface 2 years ago 4
Those who claim abortion is are murder are oddly unwilling to say how long a prison term the woman should get. Therefore they don't actually believe that abortion is murder. Therefore they're hypocrites.
1Weemaryanne 2 years ago
Too bad I'm not unwilling to say how long a prison term should be. Murder is murder- so obviously the prison term should be decided by the justice system. If it were up to me, every murderer would get the death penalty. There is no excuse for killing someone. Accidents don't count.
mastersniperjinx 2 years ago
If there is no excuse for killing someone, then how can you support the death penalty? That doesn't seem consistent. Catholics are remarkably consistent on this one: No abortions, no death penalty, no euthanasia.
h8uall66 2 years ago
It is consistent to what is taught in Christianity. Capital punishment isn't wrong and it is taught in the scriptures. o_O
The only way I see abortion as being "alright" is if you have to have it in order to save the mother's life. If the mother's life isn't in danger, then I believe it's wrong.
mastersniperjinx 2 years ago
Not wrong to force women to give birth to the child of, say, a rapist? Why? Why does a rapist get to be a father while a woman doesn't get to make up her own mind?
1Weemaryanne 2 years ago 3
There's always adoption? There are plenty of alternatives instead of abortion.
mastersniperjinx 2 years ago
Says a guy who's never going to have to go through pregnancy himself. FAIL.
1Weemaryanne 2 years ago 3
That doesn't make my opinion wrong either. Now you're just being biased towards all men when you say that. FAIL.
kthxbai
mastersniperjinx 2 years ago
Observing that men cannot get pregnant is not an indication of bias. It's a statement of ffact.
Opining that men have no business telling women what to do -- not THAT'S an expression of bias.
You're welcome.
1Weemaryanne 2 years ago
The adoption process is a bureaucratic nightmare. It is extremely stressful and there's A LOT of legal shit involved. Teenage mothers should not be forced to go through that.
mancrushonhanksnow 2 years ago 2
So you are taking out the fact that rape wasn't involved and that personal responsibility should be thrown out the door? Lol, that's the biggest "FAIL", as 1Weemaryanne would put it. Just because they don't want to be hassled about taking care of a child, that makes abortion alright? Priorities seem to be mixed up there. Personal responsibility and making sure that you don't end up pregnant is key.
mastersniperjinx 2 years ago
You can take measures to prevent pregnancy, but birth control fails sometimes, and people make mistakes, especially teenagers. Legislating morality doesn't work, anyway. If abortions were banned they would still happen, except they'd be dangerous and illegal. Women are second class citizens if they can't control their own bodies.
mancrushonhanksnow 2 years ago 2
If you interfere in the mothers ( a stranger to you) choice and force an unwanted baby into the world you have assumed all responsibility for that child by way of your interference. Christian morals are shallow in that preventing the abortion appeases God but does nothing for the victim (the child). Christ may not think you have an obligation to the child but you do, You must provide the nurturing and financial support the child needs. You assume the mothers burden with your interference.
milkman5547 2 years ago 2
Whether or not it is consistent with Christianity is debatable. Remember, there are 33,000+ denominations of Christianity, all with different interpretations of scripture. I'm merely arguing that your statements are inconsistent. Also, from a scriptural perspective, abortion is not only never mentioned, there are passages that indicate that it isn't even a sin. Exodus 21:22-25 seems to indicate that an abortion is an offense resolved by a monetary fine.
h8uall66 2 years ago
It is inconsistent to what you believe. I was merely stating my belief and it is pretty consistent because nobody would get any other treatment. All murderers would have the death penalty if it were up to me. If that's not consistency, then I don't know what is. In today's society, we see too many murderers walking away with bullcrap sentences and you know it. If you want to talk consistency, then you should start with that. I'm saying, punishment wise, my belief is 100% consistent.
mastersniperjinx 2 years ago
The inconsistency is that you argue against abortion on the premise of "thou shalt not kill", yet you are perfectly willing to kill people who are already alive under certain circumstances. Does human life have an inherent value, yes or no? If yes, then neither abortion nor the death penalty should be legal. If no, then both are allowable.
KriimIanga 2 years ago
Before you ask, my personal stance on the matter is that human life has an inherent value, so the death penalty should not be legal, but I don't believe that a fetus becomes a separate life form until the cord has been cut.
KriimIanga 2 years ago
Capitol punishment is wrong. If you kill the person, then s/he won't have time to think about her/his actions. And when you decide that capitol punishment isn't wrong, you are deciding that the person who is getting killed may be innocent.
Thothsglyphs 2 years ago 2
but the bible says if you kill a womans unborn child you have to pay the father reperations
and by the way there are 1.2 million abortions a year in the states and only 200,000 couples looking to adopt.
think
do you expect them to adopt 6 kids a year?
carnut666 2 years ago 3
I can just imagine his answer if he did ever answer
"it's god will so the mother has to die"
ps. I always read the tags, don't ask me why, I just do
AbdultheImpailler 2 years ago
Not like he ever answers Aronra inconvenient questions either. Hypocrite is just too soft of a word to describe Geerup.
asdffdas1234 2 years ago 2
well said drp :) thunderf00t answerded questions that where trickey and geerup stays well clear of stuff he find difficult.
conrad4ever 2 years ago
Answer the question geerup!
TheReasonWhyGuy 2 years ago
Maybe you will get an answer but I doubt he has the gumption.
BTW I read the tags :)
Answersinbooks 2 years ago
People like Geerup would rather see a group of children with a dead mother, than a woman with her kids and family, as she cries with them over the loss of their expected addition.
When will religion stay out of science, medicine, and our bedrooms?
Late-term abortions aren't flippant decisions. These are hard medical decisions between a family and their doctor.
How dare they!?!?!
TheOtherSide100 2 years ago
They're often the most difficult decisions that a parent or parents will ever make. Fundamentalists will portray said decisions as if they're like popping to the store.
FSAthe1st 2 years ago
DPR, you should also get him to answer the question that Ray Comfort dodged: If god said that paedofilia was Ok, would it be Ok?
StanMarsh1 2 years ago
Lol, he won't answer that. We know he won't. And btw, god DID say pedophilia was ok. Because most women in biblical times were married off at 13-14 and WAY before 20. If the soldiers were to keep the ones who have not yet felt the touch of a man...how old do you suspect they were?
Ravindra9689 2 years ago
I didn't think he would, but it's worth a shot. :P
The only reason Ray didn't answer is because by his standards he would have to say yes.
StanMarsh1 2 years ago
Oh but of course. And I'll be making a video at some point detailing the retardation in saying we GET our morality from God. how could this be when I DISAGREE with his methods, I consider them IMMORAL. This would mean that he gave me a different set of morals than he has...ensuring general confusion and distrust.
Ravindra9689 2 years ago
Good point, I just made a video about the ten commandments in which I said I wouldn't have any because you can't really apply one steadfast rule to every situation.
Take murder for example, it is seen as immoral, yet soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan kill many people and are portrayed as heroes. This is just one example of how flexible our morality can be.
StanMarsh1 2 years ago
Oh yeah, this is why that thinking causes so many wars. "Thou shalt not permit the witch to live"..Kill the witch!"
"But what if she isn't?! WE haven't seen her use any magic!"
"No time!"
Ravindra9689 2 years ago
I wish these inbred morons would get their medical facts straight! A zygote IS NOT A BABY; it can hardly even be called "human" and only by common terminology. In medical terms, anything within the first 2 trimesters (ESPECIALLY the first) is nothing but a, say it with me, "Parasitic Blastocyst." Period. They quite often endanger the woman's life.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
He would have to admit he's wrong... that's not going to happen hehe.
tehpageofcups 2 years ago
Ignore the PCS.
ricardas83 2 years ago