Bullet train is a Bad Idea because this Project will cost 45 billions dollars & the state is in a Budget deficit of 65 billion. & they cant take care of the states Disabled Hand cap people. Governor Arnold is for the High speed rail. ( IN HOME SUPPORT) GOV Arnold is abusing the Elderly & Handy cap people. you will have to Worry about your mother & Father when they get old because they wont be provided for. Gov Arnold is like taking baseball bat & beating your kids & Old people
this will be the half the cost of widing up the highways, expanding the airports and runways, and there no room for it so Caifornia has no choice so there going to get it.
DEUTSCHE BAHN AG (the Government run remaining portion of the rail system, the rest HAS BEEN PRIVATIZED AND IS STARTING TO FAIL!) runs this Inter-City-Express high speed rail service and they HAVE TO DESPERATELY ADVERTISE FOR RIDERSHIP!!!! EVEN WITH GAS AT $12.00 A GALLON!!!! THINK, DON'T BE SHEEP! THE COSTS WILL COME OUT OF YOUR PAYCHECK!! NO MORE CASH FOR ATHEARN OR MTH!!!!!
The people purporting this as possible are not factoring who exactly will be capable of doing this level of technology in the event there remain sufficient funds (LOL!).
I took the TGV from Waterloo (UK) to Paris (Nord) nice BUT NOT worth the price! GO TO "BAHN TV," " In FAHRT" and watch high speed rail, 205MPH S LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND PONDER THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS! ONLY A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT COULD TAKE FROM THE POPULACE TO BUILD SUCH A FIASCO.
Well, you don't see UPS and FedEx putting USPS out of business. There are always satus quos of existing systems and technologies and against new more efficient.
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this rail system will never be built in california since our budget depth is very high and oil companies will buy out politicians to prevent this from happening. Plus we are way behind in transportation technology than the rest of the world. Plus california has high drug and crime problem which we have to deal with first.
this will creat thousands of jobs for builders, mechanics, electrition, train drivers, and other new jobs, its better to creat more jobs for people than leaving people jobless or this would make drug and crime problem even worse, and when it does, there can be Civil war 2 which Criminal and drug people will win. over the laws.
Californians used to be creative and a bit more advanced in its youthful exhuberance.
Most of the negative comments here are made by people who live with a Blackberry, an Ipod or live in cities where they still believe that this would be "gauche"...Those who want to keep Silicon Valley ready for a "resurgence".
US way behind with High Speed Rail i think maybe 30 years. But US still can do it if our leaders will be united in MAKE AMERICA MOVE AHEAD !!!!!!! Vote US leaders with a heart for America first .
If the freaking fed gov would stop subsidizing commercial aviation and push that money toward high speed rail like the did regular rail in the 1800s, we'd have a great high speed rail system in the US in about 20 years. It took only 6 years to build the First Transcontinental Railroad in the United States and that was with 1800s equipment. A hell of a lot cheaper to build than a 4 lane highway. I don't understand the logic of these idiots.
Sep 09, China announces construction of 13,000 more kilometers of high speed rail capable of traveling at 300 kph. Countries around the world are racing to build high speed rail. Except, of course, the US. The US is in a state of irreversible decline.
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global warming is a bunch of bullshit. the earth naturally goes through cycles. hot cold hot cold. 50 years ago they said that a global cooling was coming. plus global warming is better cause in global cooling the crops die.. also did u know that mars has rising temperatures too.
Wow, have you been to Mars? How do you know that's true? Because someone on tv, a friend or a random youtube video, told you?
That's funny, because if you have common sense then you can assume that our human activity on this planet has some cause and effect. That is a lot more then what some guy in a lab coat tells you.
Wether you think Global Warming is real or not it's obvious we are doing A LOT of harm to the planet and we must stop.
airline will still be there, but airlines will be used for traveling accross oceans, traveling from West coast to east coast, and reginal airlines will be used to traveling to none high speed corridoor places like Seqoia, Yosemmity and other place whare its not flat, or out of the states.
Oh yea!! And in the California High-speed rail website, it says construction for the 1st phase, which is connecting Los Angeles to San Franciso, is likely to start as early as 2011 :)
cool, Nevada is getting their high speed train calls the Desert Xpress and it will travel from Victorvill C.A. to Las Vegas N.V. traveling 150 MPH and the project starts next year.
It's most likely traveling faster at least 186Mph, the standard speed oversea's. 150 is only because the FRA hasn't modified it's speed limit for HSR. It will unltimately be part of the CaHSR system and we will all enjoy it soon enough!
Cali needs this.. We have 3 of the top 5 congested areas which are Los Angeles, San Francisco Bay Area, and San Diego. And also because California is the most populous state, and will grow 30% by 2030, if u look at all of the traffic in Cali... It really is obvious we need an alternative.
And yes we know Europe has bullet trains!! But Japan's Shinkansen(I believe) was the worlds first.
nice thought`s, it loke`s very nice to me.. i will hope that lax and the big airport will stay open because i like planes=) but do any one know wich traines are going to drive that rails??
There are currently 10 designated extensive high speed networks in the U.S. all scheduled to be completed by 2030, and there are bids from private companies and states for more than 200 more high speed corridors. Chances are your state is part of this program. Just visit your states Department of Transportation website.
On what, more roads? California needs to find a viable alternative to driving and flying. Though HSR is expensive, it's still HALF the cost of building the necessary amount of new airport gates and expanded roads just to have the same capacity of an HSR system. So when you think about it, this is the cheapest alternative.
Transportation on rail exists already, is called Amtrak. California does NOT need another rail transportation.
The money for the HSR is in bonds, so that 10-15$ billion is not even the full price. After it is built the HSR will be operated by the state with 20,000 more state and rail workers latching onto the already strained budget.
Amtrak is too inefficient and slow for California. As good as it may be, HSR is an entirely different animal. Basically, HSR will serve distances more than 100 miles apart whereas Amtrak will continue to serve cities of about 50 miles apart. Unlike Amtrak, HSR will serve a completely different market. Besides, you say California does not need anouther "rail transportation," but we already have several: Caltrain, ACE, Metrolink, Coaster, etc.
As for the cost; yes, $9.95 nillion in bond money will only fund a third of the system. But another third will come from federal funding and the rest will come from the private sector. And as for workders latching onto a strained budget, the CAHSR system will essentially give back more money than it takes; approximately $1 billion a year.
Yeah everything needs to be fixed, but no one wants to pay taxes because Americans are whiny bitches. This country is on the verge of collapse because of the gimme gimme state. And it aint welfare, it's gimme a tax break.
In California, you guys have so much congestion that you cant just build more roads. Not to mention the needed roads will cost 3 times as much or more. You cant go much beyond a 12 lane freeway, my friend. The time is now to build rail.
It is not. It is a responsibility of society to help those who are dealt a bad hand. As someone who actually has first hand experience with unemployment (not personally, but my mother needed it), I can tell you it is not just free checks for as long as you want. You have to go through a lot of proof to show you are not employed, interviews, meetings, etc. Then, you only get a grant based on your income level. It is not the same amount as your former income, but a portion of it to help you live.
Further, it is only a set amount and eventually runs out and you can not just reapply for more. Finally, you can not just say "Go get a job". When people have little experience and education and in a hard job market, you can not always "get a job". Unemployment checks are only for when you had a job and lost it. I have been unemployed for 2 years and probably would not qualify for unemployment even if I lived on my own.
Do you know how many people scam the unemployment system? I've seen people that are fully capable of working that go to the grocery store and use their welfare card on a cartload of Cheetos.
Btw, it is not our responsibility, it is the responsibility of the individuals that are in trouble to work their way out. Capitalism is our society's form of evolution.
I have heard this before. It is a welfare myth that anti-welfarists claim to have seen, but in fact just use it as an argument. Further, it is just an anecdote that has no significance. One abuse out of millions will happen anywhere. Also, that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. No one buys a cart load of Cheetos.
Yes it is our responsibility. We live in a society where people work together to achieve things. If you want to be an individualist, you are free to start a subsistence farm.
The school systems need to be integrated more into local government. Obviously, it's way too risky to leave them in the hands of the state, especially when we run into a budget crisis like this.
You're right, the state is corrupt and full of incompetent workers. The local government will do a lot better, too bad almost nobody at the state level cares since they can get more tax dollars by controlling the school system.
NO! YOU DO NOT WANT THIS! We have this in New Jersey and it is huge and expensive mess. You will end up paying billions more in taxes to fund administrators for every school district. NJ has 500 something. California would have thousands.
Yes. The problem is our education model in the country. It is maybe 100 years old and has not been innovated much at all. The only innovation has been to take out the inspiration (look at a chemistry class: it is all worksheets and math). This is a broad problem in America. Our electoral system is antiquated. Why do we vote on a Tuesday? Because of an 1845 law that helped farmers. Why do we have 50+ methods of voting for President?
And so on. It's almost hopeless, to be honest. We are in denial
Never mind now. It's not going to happen since California is on the very edge of Bankruptcy. Because CA's congress didn't pass a proper budget, the state's credit rating will be lowered to Junk-Bond status...i.e. NO way of ever funding this project! The good news is they'll STILL find a way to pay for welfare, section-8 housing, food stamps, child care, college aid, pre-K to 12 schooling, breakfast-lunch programs, prison housing, etc. etc. etc. for the 16+ MILLION ILLEGAL aliens in our state.
(part 1) ...kirby4d; yes we can realistically have 16 million illegals in our state. Firstly, California is reported as having anywhere between 40 to 60% of the total illegal population in the U.S. Second, a conservative estimate of 8-12 million illegals was made way back in December of 2003 by the Dept. of Homeland Sec., and at that time was refuted by Congressman John McCain (very liberal R) who showed that there was really an influx of aprox. 4 million came through in just 2002 alone!
(part 2) ... Revised numbers in 2003 seemed to point closer to 14 to 16 million illegals. How many do you think we have now? In the mid 80s, president Regan promised a two part answer to this problem (1) fix the porous boarders, and (2) Amnesty. At that time they were predicting anywhere between 326,000 and 482,000 successful applicants for the Amnesty program. In October 2006 the two year window was opened to allow those that could prove a minimum of 5 years residence to claim it.
(part 3)...By the time the window closed in 1988-- 2,775,000 illegal immigrants had applied and been approved!!! From a four-hundred-thousand projection, 2.7 million showed up and were given citizenship. THEN the floodgates opened! Tell me, do you still really think that its just 12 20000000. Better yet, if it were JUST 1 million illegal's getting our government services for free, wouldnt that be FAR ENOUGH ALREADY (following Regan's promise of putting sufficient enforcement and fences)?
And you tell me how much it would cost to round up and deport that many people if it's more than that? Might as well flip the situation around by returning the state to Mexico if you're going to try.
Thank you!!! I've had enough reading about deporting illegal immigrants from FarOvertaxed in a comment section for high-speed rail. FarOvertaxed, if you want to argue over illegals in this state, please do it somewhere else. This is a comment thread for the California High-Speed Rail project.
Anyway, that makes a bit more sense, but I think you numbers are a bit high. Not that it really matters. As you said after 1 million, the number is unimportant.
This is just one of dozens of problems facing our country that there really is no solution too. Why should we grant amnesty when my great grandparents had to wait in lines for months? But many here are already being very productive and it's impossible to round up and deport that many people.
CA is going bankrupt but HSR and other forms of mass transit are just the cheapest way for people to get around. I suppose you can keep widening I-5 and I-15 which would probably cost at least twice as much. So to everyone saying CA doesnt have enough money I'd like to here your alternative to high speed rail
'gofindjeff' is 100% RIGHT. Sorry for anyone who disagrees, but facts are facts. Look it up for yourself if you find it hard to agree. I did, 'gofindjeff' really did lay it out correctly and now I feel sick.
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Never mind now. It's not going to happen since Californias on the very edge of Bankruptcy. Since state congress didn't pass a proper budget, the states credit rating will be lowered to "Junk-bond" status...i.e. NO way of ever funding this project! The good news is they'll still find a way to pay for welfare, section 8 housing, food stamps, child care, college aid, pre-K to 12 schooling, breakfast-lunch programs, prison housing, etc. etc.etc. for the 18+ MILLION illegal aliens in their state.
America DID have high-sustained-speed commercial trains. What Ill list here is what I know, but you can look to see if there were others here in the U.S.of A. First was the 1905 McKeens Streamlined at 60+mph (Mfg. by E.H.Harriman). Then in 1934 appeared the M-10000 and M-10001 at 90+mph (Mfg. by Pullman &GM). Also in 1934 was the Pioneer Zephyr @ 112.5mph (Budd). In 1955, the Aerotrain @100+mph (GM). And in 1968 we had the Turbotrain @104mph (United Aircraft). We USED TO be the leaders!
America does have (starting in 1999) the Acela Express @150mph (165mph top speed without current track limitations), but it is built by the Canadian company Bombardier. In 2001 came the debut of the 156mph JetTrain (again, Bombardier), but it didnt came into full service like it was scheduled to in 2009. Our domestic built freight trains (1 mile plus long!) do go around 90+ miles-per-hour in some open stretches out in our desert regions.
Yes, take 1 minute and do some homework. Who makes the Acela? Where is that company located? Where is the tech and labor to construct it based? Canada. Only the track is here in the USA, not the manufactur of the train itself. (Heck, even the track steel is made in China now.)
No, Amtrak purchased the Acela. Just like when you buy a forign car (like Jag, Iveco, Hyundai, etc.) which is MADE in another country. (i.e. Helping to build their economy with our dollars.)
Look up their main manufacturing plant in La Pocatiere (Quebec). Yes, some large component parts are final-assembled in New York, but the profits, engineering expertise, and much component fabrication are to be found in Canada, not the U.S. The only good news for us is that an agreement was made to build the car bodies in Vermont. Again, we are no longer in the High Speed Train business. We lost it to Germany, France, Canada, and Japan. Even California's train is going to be a French made TGV!
Amtrak did not build it, Bombardier and Alstom came together in a consortium and due to FRA restrictions for crash worthiness versus crash prevention, it was made very heavy. Also, there were not many new tracks built on the corridor or cantearies upgraded for high speed.
TrickyEmu the Calfornia Bullet Train will be similar to the one in Spain the only deffrence I've notice is that the California bullet train will go at 220 mph while the one in Spain goes 215 mph so there is only a 5 mph deffrence but the one in Spain probably will be faster still though if this bullet train is built the speed will increase somtime in the future.
Howtoown I just want to let you know if the bullet train is built it will be surounded by a fence that know animal can enter and you don't believe me look up other bullet trains and you will see what I mean by a protected barrier. You have a nice day bye.
To all of you who think HSR is going to ruin Palo Alto due to the elevated structure, check out this video to see how it will REALLY look and you'll see why Palo Alto is acting absolutely rediculous: Churchill Ave Grade Separation Model
If they're going to try and use existing right of ways like they say they will, either the Alstom AGV or the Siemens ICE-T would probably be best suited for the routes. From what I remember the Velaro doesn't tilt on turns, so it then has to slow down.
What they mean is they'd build new tracks NEXT to existing right-of-ways. They wouldn't want freight trains and high-speed trains running on the same tracks.
This thing had better be built before I die. I wanna ride it now! Oh well, with Prop 1A passed and the $8 billion in the stimulus bill, it's the perfect storm for a high-speed rail project.
Ok, for those who keep saying ''California doesn't have enough money for this'':
Didn't you listen to the video? The population of California will grow fast in the next decades, and high speed rail is simply the cheapest and best solution to handle this growth.
I think we should better use an improved Velaro than AGV or Shinkansen. Velaro can already reach more than 250 mph and until 2020, Siemens will already have a much better and faster version.
I am really impressed. I thought the USA was a loser when it came to modern mass transit, but in this area, California once again leads the country. Bravo.
It would do more damage to animals to fence rail lines then to allow them to be hit. You would be dividing the wilderness. Search for more information on google if you are curious.
Well you obviously have crossing points under (or over) high speed rail lines, but they need to be fenced as hitting a large mammal at 200 mph can derail a train
Germany, France, and the rest of Europe have these high speed trains.... they've obviously managed to solve the problem and with the AGV which goes 350 mph, 200 mph is peanuts
An effective means of short-to-medium range mass transportation, consuming less energy than a plane and on certain trips faster too; and having no reliance on oil at all. Basically, it is electric and that electricity can be gotten any method the state has, the potential to be completely clean depending where it comes from, while diesel trains are slower and less efficient, and have to rely on fossil fuels which means garenteed unavoidable emissions.
The people who currently live in a HSR corridor, plus the people who are expeted to move into the area within the next 20-40 years will flow to HSR and the cars that Could have been on the road are never added to the already full freeways, Simple.
I understand, and I think the train is an excellent, and necessary idea, but I always look for the hidden costs, too, as it's best to have an honest picture, if only to deliver what is promised, on time and on budget.
"So what is the safe stopping distance for a train traveling 220mph?"
Around 10 miles. The stopping distance is proportional to the square of the speed, so an increase of 41% in speed doubles the stopping distance. 300 mph is 36% faster than 220 mph.
How many cases of terrorism did you have since the 9/11 attacks? Besides, it's not really like you can drive the trains into a building of your choice.
yep, they have high speed trains in developed countries, i was wondering why they were all over european and asian countries and not here; thx for clarifying. i was told we were innovators and on the cutting-edge. .. ..
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The Northeast Corridor has a highspeed train from Boston to Washington. High speed trains make less sense in America than Europe and Japan due to how spread out the country is.
United States is sad. It adopted an automobile culture, but its domestic auto-makers are failing. Therefore, not only U.S. losing the opportunity of a first-rate rail passenger transport system, it also loses the benefit of a strong domestic auto-manufacturing industry. Loser on both fronts. We did a nice job of screwing ourselves.
I agree money is better spend on subway and light rails. Current California's population pattern does not warrant a high speed rail system. The problem is, you never know if HSR will cause California's population to increase and also cause a pattern change. It is a chicken and egg problem.
you're gonna have a very hard time convincing people to trade private/personal transport for public transport. Just gotta look back to WW-II for the cause. The interstate highway system was built due to the Cold War panic. However, the population surge caused by the baby boom and the need for a peacetime use for the highways resulted in an outrageous demand for personal transportation, and fossil fuels down the road. Good luck with the high speed rail.
Its already happening tho, i have many friends in the US who are getting out of their cars because its too expensive to keep driving. If they can get these trains up past 200mph i think there will be a high demand
the fasted legal speed limit for any land vehicle in the united states is only 150 mph, so how is his going to be more efficient than the airlines like southwest?
There's no law that regulates ALL land vehicles. There's train laws and automobile laws. Completely separate. In any case, the HSR built would have its own limits because it would be all HSR and not slower rail.
Airlines are at least twice as inefficient as trains fuel-wise, take much longer to board and travel on, and are pretty much hell to go on. Trains are safer and can carry as many or more people and can carry more people the same route at the same time.
Also, trains go go directly between cities while planes have to land outside cities. Then you need to find transportation to the city. Trains make far more sense for medium distances than planes.
1800 train
FirbenEU 2 years ago
The theory and proposals are fantastic. Will it ever come to be?
smartcarfor2 2 years ago
thats cool! I hope its done rilly soon:) I would go from LA to SF or SD and come back on the same day without stayin overnight or evry weekend!
carson92001 2 years ago
Bullet train is a Bad Idea because this Project will cost 45 billions dollars & the state is in a Budget deficit of 65 billion. & they cant take care of the states Disabled Hand cap people. Governor Arnold is for the High speed rail. ( IN HOME SUPPORT) GOV Arnold is abusing the Elderly & Handy cap people. you will have to Worry about your mother & Father when they get old because they wont be provided for. Gov Arnold is like taking baseball bat & beating your kids & Old people
camboy1132 2 years ago
this will be the half the cost of widing up the highways, expanding the airports and runways, and there no room for it so Caifornia has no choice so there going to get it.
sideslide23 2 years ago
DEUTSCHE BAHN AG (the Government run remaining portion of the rail system, the rest HAS BEEN PRIVATIZED AND IS STARTING TO FAIL!) runs this Inter-City-Express high speed rail service and they HAVE TO DESPERATELY ADVERTISE FOR RIDERSHIP!!!! EVEN WITH GAS AT $12.00 A GALLON!!!! THINK, DON'T BE SHEEP! THE COSTS WILL COME OUT OF YOUR PAYCHECK!! NO MORE CASH FOR ATHEARN OR MTH!!!!!
paullubliner 2 years ago
One last minor comment: California's population has been dropping, so how much else of this honest (ahem) appraisal is valid?
paullubliner 2 years ago
'Tisn't going to happen! Not feasible.
The people purporting this as possible are not factoring who exactly will be capable of doing this level of technology in the event there remain sufficient funds (LOL!).
paullubliner 2 years ago
Very nice movie,
High speed train should be around the world like french TGV engineers, fast, clean and power of electricity, no carbon.
Security and high efficiency and most of all opportunity for job market.
Emergency.
FR.
champanaskaia 2 years ago 3
No more horn honking, no more diessle fuel, no more sitting on the track, just a nice clean high speed train
sideslide23 2 years ago
Paid for how? Nice tunnels from San Diego through non-earthquake prone terrain at 200+MPH. Oh sure. You take it.
paullubliner 2 years ago
shure I'll take it, if I'm not in jail, I have a job as Automotive or what ever by 2018
sideslide23 2 years ago
I took the TGV from Waterloo (UK) to Paris (Nord) nice BUT NOT worth the price! GO TO "BAHN TV," " In FAHRT" and watch high speed rail, 205MPH S LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND PONDER THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS! ONLY A SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT COULD TAKE FROM THE POPULACE TO BUILD SUCH A FIASCO.
paullubliner 2 years ago
Well, you don't see UPS and FedEx putting USPS out of business. There are always satus quos of existing systems and technologies and against new more efficient.
zeigfried007 2 years ago
cool i would ride it
jerry7354 2 years ago 4
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thats a stupid idea
it will take away amtrak, caltrain, metrolink, they think it will be helpful to people
but i say no they shouldn't do it
pbyolo56 2 years ago
Fuck you.... Enough...your stupid Uncle Sam!!
LouAu 2 years ago 2
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this rail system will never be built in california since our budget depth is very high and oil companies will buy out politicians to prevent this from happening. Plus we are way behind in transportation technology than the rest of the world. Plus california has high drug and crime problem which we have to deal with first.
djsal510 2 years ago
this will creat thousands of jobs for builders, mechanics, electrition, train drivers, and other new jobs, its better to creat more jobs for people than leaving people jobless or this would make drug and crime problem even worse, and when it does, there can be Civil war 2 which Criminal and drug people will win. over the laws.
sideslide23 2 years ago
This is a great idea, just don't have it cross any streets. Some nitwit will park there car in front.
bluekarma4 2 years ago
Californians used to be creative and a bit more advanced in its youthful exhuberance.
Most of the negative comments here are made by people who live with a Blackberry, an Ipod or live in cities where they still believe that this would be "gauche"...Those who want to keep Silicon Valley ready for a "resurgence".
MALESTROMS 2 years ago
US way behind with High Speed Rail i think maybe 30 years. But US still can do it if our leaders will be united in MAKE AMERICA MOVE AHEAD !!!!!!! Vote US leaders with a heart for America first .
boilani2007 2 years ago
reptiles4everguy17 spouts some nonsense about a global warming hoax.
If its true its not a hoax. LOL
Whether man made or natural it doesnt matter. But you would have to be a complete creationist to think that man has nothing to do with it.
silat13 2 years ago
If the freaking fed gov would stop subsidizing commercial aviation and push that money toward high speed rail like the did regular rail in the 1800s, we'd have a great high speed rail system in the US in about 20 years. It took only 6 years to build the First Transcontinental Railroad in the United States and that was with 1800s equipment. A hell of a lot cheaper to build than a 4 lane highway. I don't understand the logic of these idiots.
744682532 2 years ago 2
Shinkanses N700 would be great for going from Sacramento to San Diego
sideslide23 2 years ago
Sep 09, China announces construction of 13,000 more kilometers of high speed rail capable of traveling at 300 kph. Countries around the world are racing to build high speed rail. Except, of course, the US. The US is in a state of irreversible decline.
motive440 2 years ago
the usa is dumb.... they rather have 100 million junk cars on the road then a efficent fast rail system
TheGatman101 2 years ago 5
Because Uncle Sam loved to be deceived by those "patriotic Entreprenuer"
LouAu 2 years ago
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global warming is a bunch of bullshit. the earth naturally goes through cycles. hot cold hot cold. 50 years ago they said that a global cooling was coming. plus global warming is better cause in global cooling the crops die.. also did u know that mars has rising temperatures too.
reptiles4everguy17 2 years ago
Wow, have you been to Mars? How do you know that's true? Because someone on tv, a friend or a random youtube video, told you?
That's funny, because if you have common sense then you can assume that our human activity on this planet has some cause and effect. That is a lot more then what some guy in a lab coat tells you.
Wether you think Global Warming is real or not it's obvious we are doing A LOT of harm to the planet and we must stop.
DaaYay 2 years ago
you can not stop global warmong and the sun is the one thats harming the planet
Neo2012100 2 years ago
Yeah and kill the Airline industry.
Samuraisamm 2 years ago
I think the airline industry is doing just fine killing itself off. Bring on the trains...and it's about damn time.
railgun1369 2 years ago 5
airline will still be there, but airlines will be used for traveling accross oceans, traveling from West coast to east coast, and reginal airlines will be used to traveling to none high speed corridoor places like Seqoia, Yosemmity and other place whare its not flat, or out of the states.
sideslide23 2 years ago
hey they need high speed trains in all of North America including ALASKA
86tcc 2 years ago 2
Oh yea!! And in the California High-speed rail website, it says construction for the 1st phase, which is connecting Los Angeles to San Franciso, is likely to start as early as 2011 :)
DaygoJer 2 years ago 4
cool, Nevada is getting their high speed train calls the Desert Xpress and it will travel from Victorvill C.A. to Las Vegas N.V. traveling 150 MPH and the project starts next year.
sideslide23 2 years ago
It's most likely traveling faster at least 186Mph, the standard speed oversea's. 150 is only because the FRA hasn't modified it's speed limit for HSR. It will unltimately be part of the CaHSR system and we will all enjoy it soon enough!
DaaYay 2 years ago
Cali needs this.. We have 3 of the top 5 congested areas which are Los Angeles, San Francisco Bay Area, and San Diego. And also because California is the most populous state, and will grow 30% by 2030, if u look at all of the traffic in Cali... It really is obvious we need an alternative.
And yes we know Europe has bullet trains!! But Japan's Shinkansen(I believe) was the worlds first.
DaygoJer 2 years ago 3
nice thought`s, it loke`s very nice to me.. i will hope that lax and the big airport will stay open because i like planes=) but do any one know wich traines are going to drive that rails??
lisdoddestraat 2 years ago
hey, what about the rest of the states?? I want my state to have a high speed train too T_T
Hamptoncltn 2 years ago 2
There are currently 10 designated extensive high speed networks in the U.S. all scheduled to be completed by 2030, and there are bids from private companies and states for more than 200 more high speed corridors. Chances are your state is part of this program. Just visit your states Department of Transportation website.
gibb1991 2 years ago
In Spain there have been high speed train since 1992, 17 years ago....so it is nothing new.
trokoro 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAA "a leader in global economy" no way, (san) jose!
seinfeldfan7898 2 years ago
just what obama wanted.. a clean high speed railway
PINKluvr01 2 years ago
CALIFORNIA!!!! YAAAHHH!!
Herokid32 2 years ago 8
ахаха тут уже поезда по 700 миль в час хуячат а у нас до сих пор 60км тащатся :О
xwmzx 2 years ago
ошибаешься) 700 миль это длина ж/д полотна которое собираются проложить
RastaManDreadlocK 2 years ago
quite innovative
ranju96 2 years ago
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Biggest waste of money in the state's history. Money could be better spent.
DyeTyme 2 years ago
On what, more roads? California needs to find a viable alternative to driving and flying. Though HSR is expensive, it's still HALF the cost of building the necessary amount of new airport gates and expanded roads just to have the same capacity of an HSR system. So when you think about it, this is the cheapest alternative.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago 2
Transportation on rail exists already, is called Amtrak. California does NOT need another rail transportation.
The money for the HSR is in bonds, so that 10-15$ billion is not even the full price. After it is built the HSR will be operated by the state with 20,000 more state and rail workers latching onto the already strained budget.
DyeTyme 2 years ago
Amtrak is underfunded and insufficient for the needs of California.
kirby4d 2 years ago
Amtrak is too inefficient and slow for California. As good as it may be, HSR is an entirely different animal. Basically, HSR will serve distances more than 100 miles apart whereas Amtrak will continue to serve cities of about 50 miles apart. Unlike Amtrak, HSR will serve a completely different market. Besides, you say California does not need anouther "rail transportation," but we already have several: Caltrain, ACE, Metrolink, Coaster, etc.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago 2
As for the cost; yes, $9.95 nillion in bond money will only fund a third of the system. But another third will come from federal funding and the rest will come from the private sector. And as for workders latching onto a strained budget, the CAHSR system will essentially give back more money than it takes; approximately $1 billion a year.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago
i agree they should upgrade the systemns that we have now
Neo2012100 2 years ago
CORRECT!
kirby4d 2 years ago
Nice, but it should pass by Oxnard or Ventura instead of Palmdale.
chingonm1 2 years ago
the government shouldn't do this - a capitalist should
ilikedrumming 2 years ago
Yes because someone really has the $50 billion it takes.
kirby4d 2 years ago
Not even the state of California has $50 billion dollars, that is why they are using bonds to force every Californian to pay.
This high-speed train 10+ years to build, that is $5 billion dollars a year that could be put to fixing the school system.
DyeTyme 2 years ago
Yeah everything needs to be fixed, but no one wants to pay taxes because Americans are whiny bitches. This country is on the verge of collapse because of the gimme gimme state. And it aint welfare, it's gimme a tax break.
In California, you guys have so much congestion that you cant just build more roads. Not to mention the needed roads will cost 3 times as much or more. You cant go much beyond a 12 lane freeway, my friend. The time is now to build rail.
kirby4d 2 years ago 3
Oh yeah and handing out unemployment checks isn't part of the gimme gimme state.
DyeTyme 2 years ago
It is not. It is a responsibility of society to help those who are dealt a bad hand. As someone who actually has first hand experience with unemployment (not personally, but my mother needed it), I can tell you it is not just free checks for as long as you want. You have to go through a lot of proof to show you are not employed, interviews, meetings, etc. Then, you only get a grant based on your income level. It is not the same amount as your former income, but a portion of it to help you live.
kirby4d 2 years ago
Further, it is only a set amount and eventually runs out and you can not just reapply for more. Finally, you can not just say "Go get a job". When people have little experience and education and in a hard job market, you can not always "get a job". Unemployment checks are only for when you had a job and lost it. I have been unemployed for 2 years and probably would not qualify for unemployment even if I lived on my own.
kirby4d 2 years ago
Do you know how many people scam the unemployment system? I've seen people that are fully capable of working that go to the grocery store and use their welfare card on a cartload of Cheetos.
Btw, it is not our responsibility, it is the responsibility of the individuals that are in trouble to work their way out. Capitalism is our society's form of evolution.
DyeTyme 2 years ago
I have heard this before. It is a welfare myth that anti-welfarists claim to have seen, but in fact just use it as an argument. Further, it is just an anecdote that has no significance. One abuse out of millions will happen anywhere. Also, that is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. No one buys a cart load of Cheetos.
Yes it is our responsibility. We live in a society where people work together to achieve things. If you want to be an individualist, you are free to start a subsistence farm.
kirby4d 2 years ago
The school systems need to be integrated more into local government. Obviously, it's way too risky to leave them in the hands of the state, especially when we run into a budget crisis like this.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago
You're right, the state is corrupt and full of incompetent workers. The local government will do a lot better, too bad almost nobody at the state level cares since they can get more tax dollars by controlling the school system.
DyeTyme 2 years ago
NO! YOU DO NOT WANT THIS! We have this in New Jersey and it is huge and expensive mess. You will end up paying billions more in taxes to fund administrators for every school district. NJ has 500 something. California would have thousands.
kirby4d 2 years ago
Really?! OK, never mind then.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago
Yes. The problem is our education model in the country. It is maybe 100 years old and has not been innovated much at all. The only innovation has been to take out the inspiration (look at a chemistry class: it is all worksheets and math). This is a broad problem in America. Our electoral system is antiquated. Why do we vote on a Tuesday? Because of an 1845 law that helped farmers. Why do we have 50+ methods of voting for President?
And so on. It's almost hopeless, to be honest. We are in denial
kirby4d 2 years ago
Never mind now. It's not going to happen since California is on the very edge of Bankruptcy. Because CA's congress didn't pass a proper budget, the state's credit rating will be lowered to Junk-Bond status...i.e. NO way of ever funding this project! The good news is they'll STILL find a way to pay for welfare, section-8 housing, food stamps, child care, college aid, pre-K to 12 schooling, breakfast-lunch programs, prison housing, etc. etc. etc. for the 16+ MILLION ILLEGAL aliens in our state.
WayOvertaxed 2 years ago 2
You cant possibly have 16 million illegals when there are 12-20 in the entire country.
kirby4d 2 years ago
(part 1) ...kirby4d; yes we can realistically have 16 million illegals in our state. Firstly, California is reported as having anywhere between 40 to 60% of the total illegal population in the U.S. Second, a conservative estimate of 8-12 million illegals was made way back in December of 2003 by the Dept. of Homeland Sec., and at that time was refuted by Congressman John McCain (very liberal R) who showed that there was really an influx of aprox. 4 million came through in just 2002 alone!
FarOvertaxed 2 years ago
(part 2) ... Revised numbers in 2003 seemed to point closer to 14 to 16 million illegals. How many do you think we have now? In the mid 80s, president Regan promised a two part answer to this problem (1) fix the porous boarders, and (2) Amnesty. At that time they were predicting anywhere between 326,000 and 482,000 successful applicants for the Amnesty program. In October 2006 the two year window was opened to allow those that could prove a minimum of 5 years residence to claim it.
FarOvertaxed 2 years ago
(part 3)...By the time the window closed in 1988-- 2,775,000 illegal immigrants had applied and been approved!!! From a four-hundred-thousand projection, 2.7 million showed up and were given citizenship. THEN the floodgates opened! Tell me, do you still really think that its just 12 20000000. Better yet, if it were JUST 1 million illegal's getting our government services for free, wouldnt that be FAR ENOUGH ALREADY (following Regan's promise of putting sufficient enforcement and fences)?
FarOvertaxed 2 years ago
And you tell me how much it would cost to round up and deport that many people if it's more than that? Might as well flip the situation around by returning the state to Mexico if you're going to try.
yangj08 2 years ago
Thank you!!! I've had enough reading about deporting illegal immigrants from FarOvertaxed in a comment section for high-speed rail. FarOvertaxed, if you want to argue over illegals in this state, please do it somewhere else. This is a comment thread for the California High-Speed Rail project.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago 5
Oops, I ment to say that the Regan Amnesty window was open from October 1986 to 88 (not 2006 to 88). Sorry.
FarOvertaxed 2 years ago
Don't you love that char limit. haha.
Anyway, that makes a bit more sense, but I think you numbers are a bit high. Not that it really matters. As you said after 1 million, the number is unimportant.
This is just one of dozens of problems facing our country that there really is no solution too. Why should we grant amnesty when my great grandparents had to wait in lines for months? But many here are already being very productive and it's impossible to round up and deport that many people.
kirby4d 2 years ago
It'll happen. Just wait.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago
No need 15 min.
cell-phone has a ticket to ride
so rushing to get on a train
UNGAEEDO 2 years ago
LOL - "Hispeed Trains are a fact of life in most of the worlds developed industrialized economies..."
It seem the US are not among them... :-)
chrigel1234 2 years ago 7
Love it - Start Monday!
myksweet 2 years ago 5
CA is going bankrupt but HSR and other forms of mass transit are just the cheapest way for people to get around. I suppose you can keep widening I-5 and I-15 which would probably cost at least twice as much. So to everyone saying CA doesnt have enough money I'd like to here your alternative to high speed rail
trashdunka99 2 years ago 9
'gofindjeff' is 100% RIGHT. Sorry for anyone who disagrees, but facts are facts. Look it up for yourself if you find it hard to agree. I did, 'gofindjeff' really did lay it out correctly and now I feel sick.
aaaaaaandweregone 2 years ago
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Never mind now. It's not going to happen since Californias on the very edge of Bankruptcy. Since state congress didn't pass a proper budget, the states credit rating will be lowered to "Junk-bond" status...i.e. NO way of ever funding this project! The good news is they'll still find a way to pay for welfare, section 8 housing, food stamps, child care, college aid, pre-K to 12 schooling, breakfast-lunch programs, prison housing, etc. etc.etc. for the 18+ MILLION illegal aliens in their state.
gofindjeff 2 years ago
Has America ever had any High Speed Trains?
I am a Brit i have no idea.
mecrazy5 2 years ago 2
America DID have high-sustained-speed commercial trains. What Ill list here is what I know, but you can look to see if there were others here in the U.S.of A. First was the 1905 McKeens Streamlined at 60+mph (Mfg. by E.H.Harriman). Then in 1934 appeared the M-10000 and M-10001 at 90+mph (Mfg. by Pullman &GM). Also in 1934 was the Pioneer Zephyr @ 112.5mph (Budd). In 1955, the Aerotrain @100+mph (GM). And in 1968 we had the Turbotrain @104mph (United Aircraft). We USED TO be the leaders!
gofindjeff 2 years ago 3
America does have (starting in 1999) the Acela Express @150mph (165mph top speed without current track limitations), but it is built by the Canadian company Bombardier. In 2001 came the debut of the 156mph JetTrain (again, Bombardier), but it didnt came into full service like it was scheduled to in 2009. Our domestic built freight trains (1 mile plus long!) do go around 90+ miles-per-hour in some open stretches out in our desert regions.
gofindjeff 2 years ago 3
yup :D Amtrak (im a brit aswell) but i know much :P lol
domingoscott123 2 years ago
yup :D Amtrak has some hi speed trains (im a brit aswell) but i know much :P lol
domingoscott123 2 years ago
Acela Express is in the US.
ctempire 2 years ago
Yes, take 1 minute and do some homework. Who makes the Acela? Where is that company located? Where is the tech and labor to construct it based? Canada. Only the track is here in the USA, not the manufactur of the train itself. (Heck, even the track steel is made in China now.)
aaaaaaandweregone 2 years ago 3
Amtrak makes the Acela. Amtrak is owned by the US Government and is also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corporation.
ctempire 2 years ago
No, Amtrak purchased the Acela. Just like when you buy a forign car (like Jag, Iveco, Hyundai, etc.) which is MADE in another country. (i.e. Helping to build their economy with our dollars.)
aaaaaaandweregone 2 years ago 3
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aaaaaaandweregone 2 years ago
Look up their main manufacturing plant in La Pocatiere (Quebec). Yes, some large component parts are final-assembled in New York, but the profits, engineering expertise, and much component fabrication are to be found in Canada, not the U.S. The only good news for us is that an agreement was made to build the car bodies in Vermont. Again, we are no longer in the High Speed Train business. We lost it to Germany, France, Canada, and Japan. Even California's train is going to be a French made TGV!
aaaaaaandweregone 2 years ago
Amtrak did not build it, Bombardier and Alstom came together in a consortium and due to FRA restrictions for crash worthiness versus crash prevention, it was made very heavy. Also, there were not many new tracks built on the corridor or cantearies upgraded for high speed.
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nicolinazara 2 years ago
TrickyEmu the Calfornia Bullet Train will be similar to the one in Spain the only deffrence I've notice is that the California bullet train will go at 220 mph while the one in Spain goes 215 mph so there is only a 5 mph deffrence but the one in Spain probably will be faster still though if this bullet train is built the speed will increase somtime in the future.
PolishExplorer 2 years ago
Howtoown I just want to let you know if the bullet train is built it will be surounded by a fence that know animal can enter and you don't believe me look up other bullet trains and you will see what I mean by a protected barrier. You have a nice day bye.
PolishExplorer 2 years ago
NC3D I just want to let you know the train tracks will be at least 800 miles long not 700 just letting you know bye.
PolishExplorer 2 years ago
Absolutely awesome train - but sure to run into financial problems in this economy. I hope CA can pull it off.
ravioneu 2 years ago 3
The Us Federal government is also giving money to this project
5057357 2 years ago
To all of you who think HSR is going to ruin Palo Alto due to the elevated structure, check out this video to see how it will REALLY look and you'll see why Palo Alto is acting absolutely rediculous: Churchill Ave Grade Separation Model
poseidoncambria 2 years ago
If they're going to try and use existing right of ways like they say they will, either the Alstom AGV or the Siemens ICE-T would probably be best suited for the routes. From what I remember the Velaro doesn't tilt on turns, so it then has to slow down.
pjkeeve 2 years ago
What they mean is they'd build new tracks NEXT to existing right-of-ways. They wouldn't want freight trains and high-speed trains running on the same tracks.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago 2
Currently the most beautiful and most comfortable High speed train is Thalys!
TrickyEmu 2 years ago
This thing had better be built before I die. I wanna ride it now! Oh well, with Prop 1A passed and the $8 billion in the stimulus bill, it's the perfect storm for a high-speed rail project.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago 2
2020 is not that much time. You will go to sleep, wake up and there it is. Just try to distract yourself (e.g. College/University or family o0).
TrickyEmu 2 years ago 2
Well, at least we'll have the DesertXpress to Vegas by 2014, hopefully. That'll do until this system is completed.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago 2
this is the italian fast train FRECCIA ROSSA (red arrow):
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and in this video more red arrow near florence italy
/watch?v=98RlLdfWZws
intersezioni 2 years ago
oh whos ass are they goin to grab the money out of?? california is so far in debt
peterbilt37racer 2 years ago
Ok, for those who keep saying ''California doesn't have enough money for this'':
Didn't you listen to the video? The population of California will grow fast in the next decades, and high speed rail is simply the cheapest and best solution to handle this growth.
stijn165792 2 years ago 11
It's also half the cost of building new runways, airport gates and expanding highways.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago 8
I think we should better use an improved Velaro than AGV or Shinkansen. Velaro can already reach more than 250 mph and until 2020, Siemens will already have a much better and faster version.
TrickyEmu 2 years ago
I am really impressed. I thought the USA was a loser when it came to modern mass transit, but in this area, California once again leads the country. Bravo.
yarmo28 2 years ago 6
what happens when you hit a deer?
Howtoown 2 years ago
It dies! To prevent this High Speed rail lines are fenced!
manmusicfun 2 years ago
It would do more damage to animals to fence rail lines then to allow them to be hit. You would be dividing the wilderness. Search for more information on google if you are curious.
WTFSNPWN 2 years ago
Well you obviously have crossing points under (or over) high speed rail lines, but they need to be fenced as hitting a large mammal at 200 mph can derail a train
manmusicfun 2 years ago 2
Germany, France, and the rest of Europe have these high speed trains.... they've obviously managed to solve the problem and with the AGV which goes 350 mph, 200 mph is peanuts
alecn3 2 years ago 2
Shinkansen sometimes hit deers or bears in Japan. We cannot save live of hit animals but no passengers have been injured.
Aobasakura 2 years ago 3
Californians!! Please buy shinknsen form Japan. I bleave the superiority of shinkansen in earthquake-proof safty againsnt TGV.
Aobasakura 2 years ago 5
Will the power come from wind mills in the hills?
2353Engineer 2 years ago
Grade-separations to begin THIS year in preparation for the future system with heavy construction set to begin in 2011!
poseidoncambria 2 years ago
WOW,saves time
nil1230 2 years ago
overhead electric lines is something we don't see that often in USA. damn slow diesel amtracks....
kyotoair 2 years ago 2
Japanese Shinkansen Is the best!!
◎for so many people carry
◎dynamic expansions possibility Los ----- WashinngtonDC or Newyork in the future.
possible for Shinkansen
◎Safety ： No accident and Zero rid of rail in about 50 years.
ult7 2 years ago 9
How does this help in terms of reducing emissions?
Pretenders911 2 years ago
An effective means of short-to-medium range mass transportation, consuming less energy than a plane and on certain trips faster too; and having no reliance on oil at all. Basically, it is electric and that electricity can be gotten any method the state has, the potential to be completely clean depending where it comes from, while diesel trains are slower and less efficient, and have to rely on fossil fuels which means garenteed unavoidable emissions.
s2k997 2 years ago
Thank you for answering, I'm excited about this, and it does look like it is starting to move forward.
Pretenders911 2 years ago
The people who currently live in a HSR corridor, plus the people who are expeted to move into the area within the next 20-40 years will flow to HSR and the cars that Could have been on the road are never added to the already full freeways, Simple.
DaaYay 2 years ago 2
I understand, and I think the train is an excellent, and necessary idea, but I always look for the hidden costs, too, as it's best to have an honest picture, if only to deliver what is promised, on time and on budget.
Pretenders911 2 years ago 2
Parabéns "CALIFORNIA"! === Congratulations "CALIFORNIA"!
gibiliz 2 years ago
Do you think that Amtrak is buying the Californian High Speed Trains?
whammy9531 2 years ago
"This concept isn't ready for prime-time."
Maybe in the developing nation called the US. In other parts of the world, high-speed rail has been ready for prime-time for more than 30 years.
init100 2 years ago
"So what is the safe stopping distance for a train traveling 220mph?"
Around 10 miles. The stopping distance is proportional to the square of the speed, so an increase of 41% in speed doubles the stopping distance. 300 mph is 36% faster than 220 mph.
init100 2 years ago
How many cases of terrorism did you have since the 9/11 attacks? Besides, it's not really like you can drive the trains into a building of your choice.
init100 2 years ago
yep, they have high speed trains in developed countries, i was wondering why they were all over european and asian countries and not here; thx for clarifying. i was told we were innovators and on the cutting-edge. .. ..
defaultuser11434 2 years ago
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The Northeast Corridor has a highspeed train from Boston to Washington. High speed trains make less sense in America than Europe and Japan due to how spread out the country is.
demexii1 2 years ago
futuristic hypnotic robot female voice = annoying.
defaultuser11434 2 years ago
los angeles to malibu & santa barbara please
junskey 2 years ago
Good that Obama wants this in the whole country!
poelaertpieterjan 2 years ago 4
wow technology is scaring me.
mrbunnyfufuu 2 years ago
i heard that this project was cancelled,
is that true?
7CoolKidKevin 2 years ago
No, it's still very much alive.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago
United States is sad. It adopted an automobile culture, but its domestic auto-makers are failing. Therefore, not only U.S. losing the opportunity of a first-rate rail passenger transport system, it also loses the benefit of a strong domestic auto-manufacturing industry. Loser on both fronts. We did a nice job of screwing ourselves.
merakhagen 2 years ago 3
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How would high speed traing relieve traffic congestion for commutes to work? Ridiculous!!!!!
brado426 2 years ago
Uh...it's fast? Also, it can transport many many more people at a time than a road. Finally, there simply isn't anymore room for more freeways!
kirby4d 2 years ago
I agree money is better spend on subway and light rails. Current California's population pattern does not warrant a high speed rail system. The problem is, you never know if HSR will cause California's population to increase and also cause a pattern change. It is a chicken and egg problem.
merakhagen 2 years ago
seriously?
awannaberugger 2 years ago
California a state mired in endless traffic and pollution
emforty2 2 years ago
Would have been cool with maglev trains though.
mickemusbus 2 years ago
Maglev is too expensive and inefficient right now, but it would be better if it were the same cost. Then, it would be LA to SF in an hour and a half.
poseidoncambria 2 years ago 2
you're gonna have a very hard time convincing people to trade private/personal transport for public transport. Just gotta look back to WW-II for the cause. The interstate highway system was built due to the Cold War panic. However, the population surge caused by the baby boom and the need for a peacetime use for the highways resulted in an outrageous demand for personal transportation, and fossil fuels down the road. Good luck with the high speed rail.
budw84 2 years ago
Its already happening tho, i have many friends in the US who are getting out of their cars because its too expensive to keep driving. If they can get these trains up past 200mph i think there will be a high demand
Balefan83 2 years ago 3
when are they gonna finish this project
9pluto 2 years ago
2016 or so I think
kirby4d 2 years ago
California should adopt Shinkansen if it lays track newly.
So, Shinkansen is big and safety.
It is strong also in the earthquake.
kamiken2307 2 years ago
Well this has been done in Japan way before now, So this isnt new
press0011 2 years ago
It is for us Americunts. lol
kirby4d 2 years ago
the fasted legal speed limit for any land vehicle in the united states is only 150 mph, so how is his going to be more efficient than the airlines like southwest?
vietman90210 2 years ago
First, I don't believe you. Secondly, even if I did, states set their own speed limits.
galan98 2 years ago
There's no law that regulates ALL land vehicles. There's train laws and automobile laws. Completely separate. In any case, the HSR built would have its own limits because it would be all HSR and not slower rail.
Airlines are at least twice as inefficient as trains fuel-wise, take much longer to board and travel on, and are pretty much hell to go on. Trains are safer and can carry as many or more people and can carry more people the same route at the same time.
kirby4d 2 years ago
Also, trains go go directly between cities while planes have to land outside cities. Then you need to find transportation to the city. Trains make far more sense for medium distances than planes.
kirby4d 2 years ago