My opinion is that WT is really good,if u are trained to the bone. It works really well in real life. This is testimony of more then one proffesional bouncer i've met. And they didnt even go deep into the system. Level 1,2,3,basic stuff,trained to the bone.
Reality check - your Grandma could beat any of these chumps in a real fight. WT has little relevance to REAL fighting, why no videos of WT clowns in REAL fights, or REAL all out sparring??? Showing that they can actually use it. All they do is practice 'dry land swimming' lots of nice drills with partners.
@CloudsBeyond first ... they do not have to show or prove anything .... if you do not believe in wing tsun, quietness you can approach to a good school of wing tsun and test what you know or think that could work against wing tsun. second ... I have practiced more than 8 years boxing, kick boxing as well I did judo, taekwondo for many years. and I tell you that a real sifu can kill you in a second
@tutanota #1 just the point - WT is UNPROVEN, none of the jokes in WT have ever done well in MMA. Of course they will tell you - they cannot use their most deadly techniques in MMA LOL!!!!! They can use anything in WT in MMA besides eyes strikes or to front of throat or to groin, yet no WT bum has ever done well in MMA. WT people practice dry land swimming, and do not fight or spar all out - show me links to WT jokers sparring all out to see them APPLYING it? [see #2 post next to this)
@CloudsBeyond Thank you for your interesting posts. However comparing WC which was developed for self defense on the street, against MMA is an incorrect comparison. WC wasn't created to be used in the octagon against professional fighters. It's for me to use against the idiot hassling me for my money.
@chisaoboy correction Wing Chun was developed for Chinese men & women, most of whom are small in height & build to defend themselves; it was developed a few hundred years ago & is a traditional kung fu system, no matter how modern day people try apply it to the street, if you really stick to Wing Chun principles (centreline, etc) -you are doing a traditional system which is very predictable too -how Wing Chun/Wing Tsun people will fight.It contains much unrealistic training & unrealistic moves.
@tutanota ifyou want to learn how to fight - fight & train hard, MMA guys train much harder than WT bums & they fight a lot too! Standing around practicing BS drills Chi Sao, Lat Sao, lame impractical self defence moves, etc is NOT realistic training. You forget too - WT is predictable as hell, they wil chain punch you, keep weight on back leg, use basicaly one of 3 kicks, try get close to you, etc i.e. predictable as hell!!! Go do MMA, Krav Maga, etc FAR SUPERIOR to WT BS!!!!
@tutanota (see 2 previous posts) I've been to Leung Ting, Emin Boztepe seminars - LAUGHABLE!!! Anyone like Boztepe does can have someone kick and do his nice leg defences against thai kicks or guy does spinning kick he kicks backside as he knows exactly what is coming & has done these demos many times, go get good MMA guy orTHai boxer to kick him and let me see him apply the BS WT defences, or let me see him apply the laughable WT Anti-Grappling against a BJJ Black Belt, he never will do that!
@CloudsBeyond jajaja is true that the majority of practitioners of wing tsun sucks and have no idea what a real fight is. is also true that the wing tsun is full of false masters and moneymakers and is completely coomercial. is true that the chi sao has nothing to do with the real combat. is true that the timing and combat distances are obtained from the hard training in sparring. but I dont agree with "WT is Predictable as hell" because wing tsun will do nothing unless it is necessary.Continued
@CloudsBeyond my instructor of wing tsun is a karate instructors to. one of my mates is black belt in jiu jitsu and ninjutsu black belt. another of my mates is black belt in aikido. one has much experience in Shaolin kung fu. I have experience in boxing, kick boxing, judo and taekwondo. and all we came to the conclusion that all we knew was useless against good wing tsun and was useless in the real personal defense.always starting off of that the "art of fighting" is 1% of what you learn in WT
@tutanota Wooden dolly+lots of dry land swimming nice partner drills+traditional forms incl. impractical weapons long pole+lat sao+never really fighting & rarely if ever sparring all out = makes you a great fighter???? You are mistaken! Few WT guys are in top shape like MMA fighters, very few! Even Boztepe is not in shape like MMA fighters, he travels a lot & trains much less now. Go do MMA, Krav Maga, etc if you want to learn real self defence & how to fight. WT is just BS to make money!
@CloudsBeyond you dont need to be in top shape for defend yourself. if it were so. the elderly and women could never defend themselves. is ridiculous to try to "optimize" your body to be superior to your attacker in a real situation on the street because the attacker always has the advantage over you. If you're one, they are three. if you're strong, they are armed.
@tutanota I think you should be in SOME shape, but the reality is this; if you are in such great shape, to last long on a fight, that fight you'd be in, is TOO long, which means you'll either get killed or arrested. And depending where you live, YOU, the DEFENDER, will have more of a hassle than the ATTACKER. In the street, prepare to fight for ultimate victory/survival.
@CloudsBeyond in UFC when you fight, you know your opponent, you know what he practices or what you know. you know that he is one. you know there are rules, you know that he is approximately the same weight as you. you know there's a referee. you know many things on the street would not know.
@tutanota the point is you are fighting , it improves your skill in fighting & timing greatly, not to mention conditions you to take punishment. Any good MMA fighter will kill a WT Bum in the cage or in the street. Weight on back leg/chain punching etc is predictable as hell!!! WT Bums DON'T fight, they rarely if ever spar all out, most are not in great shape! MMA fighters are in great shape & fight a lot + in the street will use dirty foul tactics eye gouges etc.
@tutanota the street is always different , it is very different to any BS WT training in the kwoon too BUT MMA will prepare you better because you are fighting and working on attributes power speed etc; not practicing traditional kung fu (forms, wooden dolly, lat sao, chi sao, etc) doing nice drills with a partner - most very unrealistic to a REAL fight. MOST in WT can't hit hard but most think they can, go try BS chain punching against good MMA guy see how it works.
@CloudsBeyond The problem w/seminars & demos, is that MOST are predictable; the instructor knows the move coming, and the student will not go all out. As long as the "fights" are not real, this issue will ALWAYS exist in MA. Realize also, that at the end of the day, you don't want anyone to get hurt at a seminar, and that INCLUDES the instructor. IF a WCer earnestly practices w/a Thai or BJJ, he or she can develop the skills to defeat them, Actually, if they're smart, they'll apply
@CloudsBeyond I will admit though, that much of what is passed out as WC is NONSENSE. NO sense of energy and rooting, which you MUST have in WC. You MUST develop internal strength, as well as flexibility and reduced rigidity, which is not east for obtain.
My opinion is that WT is really good,if u are trained to the bone. It works really well in real life. This is testimony of more then one proffesional bouncer i've met. And they didnt even go deep into the system. Level 1,2,3,basic stuff,trained to the bone.
Svemocn1Vidar 2 months ago
Reality check - your Grandma could beat any of these chumps in a real fight. WT has little relevance to REAL fighting, why no videos of WT clowns in REAL fights, or REAL all out sparring??? Showing that they can actually use it. All they do is practice 'dry land swimming' lots of nice drills with partners.
CloudsBeyond 3 months ago
@CloudsBeyond first ... they do not have to show or prove anything .... if you do not believe in wing tsun, quietness you can approach to a good school of wing tsun and test what you know or think that could work against wing tsun. second ... I have practiced more than 8 years boxing, kick boxing as well I did judo, taekwondo for many years. and I tell you that a real sifu can kill you in a second
tutanota 3 months ago
@tutanota #1 just the point - WT is UNPROVEN, none of the jokes in WT have ever done well in MMA. Of course they will tell you - they cannot use their most deadly techniques in MMA LOL!!!!! They can use anything in WT in MMA besides eyes strikes or to front of throat or to groin, yet no WT bum has ever done well in MMA. WT people practice dry land swimming, and do not fight or spar all out - show me links to WT jokers sparring all out to see them APPLYING it? [see #2 post next to this)
CloudsBeyond 3 months ago
@CloudsBeyond Thank you for your interesting posts. However comparing WC which was developed for self defense on the street, against MMA is an incorrect comparison. WC wasn't created to be used in the octagon against professional fighters. It's for me to use against the idiot hassling me for my money.
chisaoboy 3 months ago
@chisaoboy correction Wing Chun was developed for Chinese men & women, most of whom are small in height & build to defend themselves; it was developed a few hundred years ago & is a traditional kung fu system, no matter how modern day people try apply it to the street, if you really stick to Wing Chun principles (centreline, etc) -you are doing a traditional system which is very predictable too -how Wing Chun/Wing Tsun people will fight.It contains much unrealistic training & unrealistic moves.
CloudsBeyond 3 months ago
@tutanota ifyou want to learn how to fight - fight & train hard, MMA guys train much harder than WT bums & they fight a lot too! Standing around practicing BS drills Chi Sao, Lat Sao, lame impractical self defence moves, etc is NOT realistic training. You forget too - WT is predictable as hell, they wil chain punch you, keep weight on back leg, use basicaly one of 3 kicks, try get close to you, etc i.e. predictable as hell!!! Go do MMA, Krav Maga, etc FAR SUPERIOR to WT BS!!!!
CloudsBeyond 3 months ago
@tutanota (see 2 previous posts) I've been to Leung Ting, Emin Boztepe seminars - LAUGHABLE!!! Anyone like Boztepe does can have someone kick and do his nice leg defences against thai kicks or guy does spinning kick he kicks backside as he knows exactly what is coming & has done these demos many times, go get good MMA guy orTHai boxer to kick him and let me see him apply the BS WT defences, or let me see him apply the laughable WT Anti-Grappling against a BJJ Black Belt, he never will do that!
CloudsBeyond 3 months ago
@CloudsBeyond jajaja is true that the majority of practitioners of wing tsun sucks and have no idea what a real fight is. is also true that the wing tsun is full of false masters and moneymakers and is completely coomercial. is true that the chi sao has nothing to do with the real combat. is true that the timing and combat distances are obtained from the hard training in sparring. but I dont agree with "WT is Predictable as hell" because wing tsun will do nothing unless it is necessary.Continued
tutanota 3 months ago
@CloudsBeyond my instructor of wing tsun is a karate instructors to. one of my mates is black belt in jiu jitsu and ninjutsu black belt. another of my mates is black belt in aikido. one has much experience in Shaolin kung fu. I have experience in boxing, kick boxing, judo and taekwondo. and all we came to the conclusion that all we knew was useless against good wing tsun and was useless in the real personal defense.always starting off of that the "art of fighting" is 1% of what you learn in WT
tutanota 3 months ago
@tutanota Wooden dolly+lots of dry land swimming nice partner drills+traditional forms incl. impractical weapons long pole+lat sao+never really fighting & rarely if ever sparring all out = makes you a great fighter???? You are mistaken! Few WT guys are in top shape like MMA fighters, very few! Even Boztepe is not in shape like MMA fighters, he travels a lot & trains much less now. Go do MMA, Krav Maga, etc if you want to learn real self defence & how to fight. WT is just BS to make money!
CloudsBeyond 3 months ago
@CloudsBeyond you dont need to be in top shape for defend yourself. if it were so. the elderly and women could never defend themselves. is ridiculous to try to "optimize" your body to be superior to your attacker in a real situation on the street because the attacker always has the advantage over you. If you're one, they are three. if you're strong, they are armed.
tutanota 3 months ago
@tutanota I think you should be in SOME shape, but the reality is this; if you are in such great shape, to last long on a fight, that fight you'd be in, is TOO long, which means you'll either get killed or arrested. And depending where you live, YOU, the DEFENDER, will have more of a hassle than the ATTACKER. In the street, prepare to fight for ultimate victory/survival.
Soulblackman 2 months ago
@CloudsBeyond in UFC when you fight, you know your opponent, you know what he practices or what you know. you know that he is one. you know there are rules, you know that he is approximately the same weight as you. you know there's a referee. you know many things on the street would not know.
tutanota 3 months ago
@tutanota the point is you are fighting , it improves your skill in fighting & timing greatly, not to mention conditions you to take punishment. Any good MMA fighter will kill a WT Bum in the cage or in the street. Weight on back leg/chain punching etc is predictable as hell!!! WT Bums DON'T fight, they rarely if ever spar all out, most are not in great shape! MMA fighters are in great shape & fight a lot + in the street will use dirty foul tactics eye gouges etc.
CloudsBeyond 3 months ago
@tutanota the street is always different , it is very different to any BS WT training in the kwoon too BUT MMA will prepare you better because you are fighting and working on attributes power speed etc; not practicing traditional kung fu (forms, wooden dolly, lat sao, chi sao, etc) doing nice drills with a partner - most very unrealistic to a REAL fight. MOST in WT can't hit hard but most think they can, go try BS chain punching against good MMA guy see how it works.
CloudsBeyond 3 months ago
@CloudsBeyond ANYONE "making it"t, gets soft and lazy.
Soulblackman 2 months ago
@CloudsBeyond The problem w/seminars & demos, is that MOST are predictable; the instructor knows the move coming, and the student will not go all out. As long as the "fights" are not real, this issue will ALWAYS exist in MA. Realize also, that at the end of the day, you don't want anyone to get hurt at a seminar, and that INCLUDES the instructor. IF a WCer earnestly practices w/a Thai or BJJ, he or she can develop the skills to defeat them, Actually, if they're smart, they'll apply
Soulblackman 2 months ago
@Soulblackman the principles to their WC. Everything is dynamic.
Soulblackman 2 months ago
@CloudsBeyond I will admit though, that much of what is passed out as WC is NONSENSE. NO sense of energy and rooting, which you MUST have in WC. You MUST develop internal strength, as well as flexibility and reduced rigidity, which is not east for obtain.
Soulblackman 2 months ago
@RealWingChunWarrior fresse du idiotenkind
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schelli1234 5 months ago
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