It looks to me that this isn't a case of settling with power, the pilot raised the collective to cushion the landing and if he was in settling with power and he was to raise the collective then that helicopter would have hit hard. He was almost at ground effect and in a hover, I think he lost power and settled it down on time.
great heli....and I agree with nebbo037 completely. a great heli with both engines. sustained forward flight on one engine is possible as long as it is already established in forward flight. hell of a landing procedure though :-)
@Velislide if you knew what you were talking about you would realise that an autorotation needs forward airspeed and a heavy Bk117 cannot hover heavy with only one engine. Guess your not a pilot...
@nebbo037 There are autorotations that start at hover and don't carry any forward speed, but that's only if it's low as in this video or so. I remember starting autorotations early in the morning with full fuel and at 450 feet from a hover, and in those one will get forward speed and carry on with the flare and else. Those are scary and thats why I don't hover out of ground effect if I don't have to.
looks like the gyroscopic synchronizer and the transsonic doppler engager were not working in addition to the thermalactic mesh rotator not being in ground effect stabilizing mode.
I am a rated helicopter pilot and this to me looks like a settling with power issue not an engine failure. Even with a single engine failure the second will still keep this running to make a safe landing.
This is exactly why I'll NEVER fly in a helicopter. I have instructions in my wallet to let me bleed out on the highway rather than put me in one of those deathtraps.
I´m happy that nobody was hurt during this accident...I´m flight medic on EC 135 so these accidents make me sad....good luck guys! Greetings from Czech Rep., Europe
I'm intimately familiar with this accident as a mechanic for the company that owned the aircraft. It was indeed a single engine failure that occurred just above the ground. The pilot did an exemplary job of pulling in more pitch (collective) but there wasn't enough to prevent the "hard landing".
They were responding to a possible pool drowning victim. The funny part about this accident was that it was the first day on the job for the nurse on the helicopter. Not being familiar with helicopters she didn't realize that they had "crashed". She grabbed the scene bag and hopped out to go to the drowning victim not realizing she had just survived a near death experience. As I recall, the drowning victim was OK.
with out a doubt, settling with power....not engine loss...1.no change in engine noise. 2. no yaw in the opposite direction of tail rotor thrust (due to torque) its black and white, open and shut case.
@MrKips1 I think you are responding to someone else's comment and accidentally clicked my name. I am, in fact, a helicopter pilot and I wouldn't descend at 500 ft/min into a confined space. This is kind of my whole point with the moron that thinks settling with power and vortex ring state are 2 different things. Go back and read what he said and what I said and you'll see that you're mistaken in replying to me instead of him. I actually DO know the parameters for settling with power...
@Quillons1 Isn't the BK-117 supposed to fly with one engine just in case the other fails? Couldn't the pilot keep this here bird under control with one engine before goin down hard like he did? Was it really a one engine failure that made this here bird go down like it did? Please be safe in all yer flyin thatchya do, bud. I have ALOT of respect fer helicopter pilots & I wish I was one instead of driving trucks fer a living. No mulah fer flight schools.
@bionictrucker1 I don't pretend to know the limitations for the BK117. My guess is that it can perform on one engine if one fails. My "expertise" is limited to 2 other airframes and I don't know the stats on this ship. This wasn't a power issue. He could have had 10 engines all wroking properly, the aerodynamics got him here. I'm not going o second guess this pilot, I don't know what his mission was and it could happen to a lot of us. It seems like something went wrong and everyone went home ok
@bionictrucker1 That is the number one priority. Who's fault it was doesn't matter. These guys might have kids or someone else that loves them and they went home to them. This could have been what we call a "mission mindset" where he was supposed to medevac 2 or 3 kids to ahospital and he pushed the envelope. No matter what happened, everyone lived and we all get a valubale lesson out of it...except for motokid032 who is a fucking moron that knows nothing about helicopter aerodynamics
Hi all, when you see the video, I would say it's a vortex, but this is only my opinion ... Both engines seem to work these machines and are able to pose with an engine ....
My man settled with power. period. This was no loss in engine power, the power was there, it just became his enemy. The helicopter god giveth and taketh away!
@motokid032 You are absolutely WRONG. This is settling with power alllll day long. I hope you're not a helicopter pilot because if that's how you perceive vortex ring state to happen, you're going to hurt someone bad one day. This is not a power loss. Use your ears, that's the first clue. Both engines are at full flight. Slow approach into a confined area, study some aerodynamics kid.
He was coming down at no more than 500ft/min..It is almost impossible to get yourself into your own downwash at that low of a ROD..Maybe if he was coming down faster I would believe it was VRS.
BTW, flying sims and reading "Principles of helicopter flight" would be considered "Studying" aerodynamics right?
@motokid032 Vortex Ring state and Settling are 2 diffrent things??? OK, this conversation is over. You are clearly a hack and know NOTHING about helicopters. They are the SAME THING. And how can you tell what his rate of decent was? Stick to Microsoft flight sim you tool.
@motokid032 Look it up in the FAA's Rotorcraft Flying Handbook dummy. X-plane is a game, too. Try doing it for real. I don't see the need to continue this conversation. I know INFINITELY more than you about helicopters. This isn't even fun.
@motokid032 There's none of me flying like this because I've never put myself in this situation. Us that fly REAL helicopters and don't dick around on flight sims know this. Read the FAA Rotorcraft flying handbook (page 11-5 specifically) And you'll see how the federal government's FAA defines them as the SAME thing. You have some balls to say you think I know more than I do when your experience is based on a computer game. You THINK, that's where you went wrong. You should look it up and KNOW.
@motokid032 And yes, I am an actual helicopter pilot. These videos tend to attract us. I do this for a living and am well versed in the hazards that could befall me. Your stubborn ignorance isn't worth trying to correct.
@motokid032 sorry guy, a specific rate of decent really has nothing to do with settling with power...if you have a tail wind with a 500ft/min decent at 10kts, most likely you are going to encounter SWP...it depends on so many variables..
It looks to me that this isn't a case of settling with power, the pilot raised the collective to cushion the landing and if he was in settling with power and he was to raise the collective then that helicopter would have hit hard. He was almost at ground effect and in a hover, I think he lost power and settled it down on time.
Testacojones 2 days ago
yes it's the trees surrounding the culdersac, don't you think.
Mr4everl8 3 days ago
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juandigital2003 6 days ago
VRS? Does penicillin clear that up?
DirtyBob2001 1 week ago
hahaahaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa
HAGLgroup1994 1 week ago
i gotta agree, after watching a few times, looks like VRS, exacerbated by increased collective
CanonNinja 1 week ago
this is a classic example of Vortex ring, any helicopter pilot will know about this and there is no excuse
richardw6803 1 week ago
great heli....and I agree with nebbo037 completely. a great heli with both engines. sustained forward flight on one engine is possible as long as it is already established in forward flight. hell of a landing procedure though :-)
TheMagnumb 1 week ago
I bet the cameraman still has nightmares.
IcemanFXX09 2 weeks ago
LANDED!
guipinsan 2 weeks ago
is that a single or dual pilot helicopter
MultiMonster69 2 weeks ago
"No one was hurt in the crash, but the camera man had a heart attack."
tirangord2 2 weeks ago
People auto rotate under zero power all the time in helicopters, yet they cant do it under the power of one engine instead of two? Pilot error, imho.
Velislide 3 weeks ago
@Velislide if you knew what you were talking about you would realise that an autorotation needs forward airspeed and a heavy Bk117 cannot hover heavy with only one engine. Guess your not a pilot...
nebbo037 2 weeks ago
@nebbo037 There are autorotations that start at hover and don't carry any forward speed, but that's only if it's low as in this video or so. I remember starting autorotations early in the morning with full fuel and at 450 feet from a hover, and in those one will get forward speed and carry on with the flare and else. Those are scary and thats why I don't hover out of ground effect if I don't have to.
Testacojones 2 days ago
looks like the gyroscopic synchronizer and the transsonic doppler engager were not working in addition to the thermalactic mesh rotator not being in ground effect stabilizing mode.
fendertelecaster8225 3 weeks ago
I am a rated helicopter pilot and this to me looks like a settling with power issue not an engine failure. Even with a single engine failure the second will still keep this running to make a safe landing.
SacNewsGuy 3 weeks ago 2
This is exactly why I'll NEVER fly in a helicopter. I have instructions in my wallet to let me bleed out on the highway rather than put me in one of those deathtraps.
Mozart1220 3 weeks ago
One does not simply make an auto like that... Good pilot!
ZenonDorinPower 3 weeks ago
great piloting!
Riggro 4 weeks ago
@Riggro You call it great bro. That's the worst auto ever at least they save their ass but damn the helo is crapped out.
espectro2n 3 weeks ago
@espectro2n Looked like he was within the HV curve when his engine failed. Thats pretty much all you can do at that point.
Bynamyte 3 weeks ago
@Bynamyte Will be. Right
espectro2n 3 weeks ago
I´m happy that nobody was hurt during this accident...I´m flight medic on EC 135 so these accidents make me sad....good luck guys! Greetings from Czech Rep., Europe
skywalker19761976 1 month ago
I'm intimately familiar with this accident as a mechanic for the company that owned the aircraft. It was indeed a single engine failure that occurred just above the ground. The pilot did an exemplary job of pulling in more pitch (collective) but there wasn't enough to prevent the "hard landing".
markschnell 1 month ago
They were responding to a possible pool drowning victim. The funny part about this accident was that it was the first day on the job for the nurse on the helicopter. Not being familiar with helicopters she didn't realize that they had "crashed". She grabbed the scene bag and hopped out to go to the drowning victim not realizing she had just survived a near death experience. As I recall, the drowning victim was OK.
markschnell 1 month ago
@markschnell Okay great, now what happened to the helicopter was it repaired?
TheGimley 3 weeks ago
Flameout or vortex ring state? I'm putting my money on the former. Anyone catch the tail number?
fatqcockandballs 1 month ago
@Quillons1 My Apologies. Safe flying!
MrKips1 1 month ago
How long ago was this?
zomgtehrei 1 month ago
seems 2 me he control'd that landing,like he thought it was best move to make!
callmeafanatic 1 month ago
0:13
verchojanskij 2 months ago
with out a doubt, settling with power....not engine loss...1.no change in engine noise. 2. no yaw in the opposite direction of tail rotor thrust (due to torque) its black and white, open and shut case.
pilotguitar21 2 months ago
@Quillions1 500ft/min a slow rate of descent coming into a confined? I hope you're not a heli pilot...
MrKips1 2 months ago
@MrKips1 I think you are responding to someone else's comment and accidentally clicked my name. I am, in fact, a helicopter pilot and I wouldn't descend at 500 ft/min into a confined space. This is kind of my whole point with the moron that thinks settling with power and vortex ring state are 2 different things. Go back and read what he said and what I said and you'll see that you're mistaken in replying to me instead of him. I actually DO know the parameters for settling with power...
Quillons1 1 month ago
@Quillons1 Isn't the BK-117 supposed to fly with one engine just in case the other fails? Couldn't the pilot keep this here bird under control with one engine before goin down hard like he did? Was it really a one engine failure that made this here bird go down like it did? Please be safe in all yer flyin thatchya do, bud. I have ALOT of respect fer helicopter pilots & I wish I was one instead of driving trucks fer a living. No mulah fer flight schools.
bionictrucker1 1 month ago
@bionictrucker1 I don't pretend to know the limitations for the BK117. My guess is that it can perform on one engine if one fails. My "expertise" is limited to 2 other airframes and I don't know the stats on this ship. This wasn't a power issue. He could have had 10 engines all wroking properly, the aerodynamics got him here. I'm not going o second guess this pilot, I don't know what his mission was and it could happen to a lot of us. It seems like something went wrong and everyone went home ok
Quillons1 1 month ago
@bionictrucker1 That is the number one priority. Who's fault it was doesn't matter. These guys might have kids or someone else that loves them and they went home to them. This could have been what we call a "mission mindset" where he was supposed to medevac 2 or 3 kids to ahospital and he pushed the envelope. No matter what happened, everyone lived and we all get a valubale lesson out of it...except for motokid032 who is a fucking moron that knows nothing about helicopter aerodynamics
Quillons1 1 month ago
Hi all, when you see the video, I would say it's a vortex, but this is only my opinion ... Both engines seem to work these machines and are able to pose with an engine ....
Vacothierry1 2 months ago
My man settled with power. period. This was no loss in engine power, the power was there, it just became his enemy. The helicopter god giveth and taketh away!
Quillons1 2 months ago
@Quillons1
Nah, he was already in a slow controlled descent, he lost power for sure.
SWP would have happened if he came in hot and yanked collective.
motokid032 2 months ago
@motokid032 You are absolutely WRONG. This is settling with power alllll day long. I hope you're not a helicopter pilot because if that's how you perceive vortex ring state to happen, you're going to hurt someone bad one day. This is not a power loss. Use your ears, that's the first clue. Both engines are at full flight. Slow approach into a confined area, study some aerodynamics kid.
Quillons1 2 months ago
@Quillons1
VRS and SWP are two different animals.
He was coming down at no more than 500ft/min..It is almost impossible to get yourself into your own downwash at that low of a ROD..Maybe if he was coming down faster I would believe it was VRS.
BTW, flying sims and reading "Principles of helicopter flight" would be considered "Studying" aerodynamics right?
motokid032 2 months ago
@motokid032 Vortex Ring state and Settling are 2 diffrent things??? OK, this conversation is over. You are clearly a hack and know NOTHING about helicopters. They are the SAME THING. And how can you tell what his rate of decent was? Stick to Microsoft flight sim you tool.
Quillons1 2 months ago
@Quillons1
Damn dickwad, no need to get all offensive.FSX is a junk game, not a sim..You'd be surprised how much you learn from X-Plane..
I'll send you an article on how SWP and VRS are different.I think you think you know more than you do.
motokid032 2 months ago
@motokid032 Look it up in the FAA's Rotorcraft Flying Handbook dummy. X-plane is a game, too. Try doing it for real. I don't see the need to continue this conversation. I know INFINITELY more than you about helicopters. This isn't even fun.
Quillons1 2 months ago
@Quillons1
OK, try to post some videos of you flying before you judge.
motokid032 2 months ago
@motokid032 There's none of me flying like this because I've never put myself in this situation. Us that fly REAL helicopters and don't dick around on flight sims know this. Read the FAA Rotorcraft flying handbook (page 11-5 specifically) And you'll see how the federal government's FAA defines them as the SAME thing. You have some balls to say you think I know more than I do when your experience is based on a computer game. You THINK, that's where you went wrong. You should look it up and KNOW.
Quillons1 2 months ago
@motokid032 And yes, I am an actual helicopter pilot. These videos tend to attract us. I do this for a living and am well versed in the hazards that could befall me. Your stubborn ignorance isn't worth trying to correct.
Quillons1 2 months ago
@motokid032 sorry guy, a specific rate of decent really has nothing to do with settling with power...if you have a tail wind with a 500ft/min decent at 10kts, most likely you are going to encounter SWP...it depends on so many variables..
pilotguitar21 2 months ago
seems that he fell into a vortex... high rate of descend, power, almost no speed.
hingegen 4 months ago
@hingegen the description says that one of its engines lost power.
1101111010101101 4 months ago
@1101111010101101 I think hingegen is correct
mpwelk 2 months ago
wooooooooow
dramcharitar 4 months ago
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oh my god
barischenge 6 months ago