when i first saw this i was dumbfounded...I just couldn't figure out what the video was trying to tell me that was so important and amazing....then i read the comments and realized...people are really ignorant...what has this world come to :(...they don't need to teach this in school because anyone with half brain would be able to deduce it...
@SikoJohnnyJr yeah i agree: what is this video communicating? that the sun and its satellites are moving through space together? people don't know that?
This is taught in schools. If you are to stupid to figure it out, then it just means there is no future in astronomy or astrophysics for you. Education is like a "connect the dots" exercise and this is just another dot to be connected. It is no conspiracy, no hidden truth. It is just you who's mind is blown by a extremely arbitrary consequence of stuff we have known for quite some time. It, therefore, only says something about you.
The coil orbit path of planets around the sun calculated based on relative milky way in the night sky is approximately 30 degrees south and not at the right angle as you illustrated here. The obscure prsoective is your projection from a different relative observation point and not the true solar systems path relative to the milky way.
I think wrong is a pretty big word. I would call it two dimentional perhaps for conceptualization purpose only. In the same manor, fabric of space time is illustrated in similar fashion. I wouldnt call it wrong but maybe incomplete.
@megalo I havent figured out yet, but its generally considered an event that happens over several years. I have heard critics say that its happening between 1998 - present, and i gotta agree that it sounds far fetched that an event like that can occurs in a day when the milkyway is so big, but what do i know.
And @silverscottsman who said "It's just a very dense concentration of stars" about the center of the galaxy, then if thats ur definition of a supermassive black hole is, then ur right.
looks like an atom moving through space. there's a lot of stuff out there maybe we are just part of something very large.... the mind of god and we are all thoughts. hmmm.
a lot of you is missing the point. The point is that moat of us just see the solar system as a spinning disc, like a spinning plate, when this is really how everything moves, the planets spiral around the sun chasing it so to speak.
Needs renaming. What we do know about the galaxy is correct, just because some people don't know that our galaxy is rotating too doesnt make us wrong.
and to make indie shut his mouth about reference points. I think this model should be called how the solar system moves through the galaxy even though this model can make the spiral paths move in a slight bend even if it really can't be noticed with a time frame of what this model shows. thus when some one says "our solar system", it's giving our sun as a point of reference. like if someone says how our house moves in the galaxy, it's giving a reference point to our house.
i will say there is on other factor that is missing from this probably. I get this is how it works moving through our galaxy, but did anyone consider that our galaxy is moving in a direction as well. Like i heard that a our galaxy and another galaxy is moving toward each other.
@thewayofthecookie actually i kinda would like to see how those paths would be considering that the galaxy is moving as well. I can't really picture that without a type of model like you used to make this. would it be like those spiral paths looping while moving around in another bigger spiral path? idk, but like i said, i would like to see a model for that.
Actually leaving out information would make the rest of the information incorrect. You cannot understand anything without it being in context of its environment.
first of all, shit like this isn't worthless. specially to those that are curious about possible time travel within this universe. Not considering this could fuck us up with possible time travel theories. Like going back in time, and finding yourself in the middle of nowhere in the universe, looking at your solar system in the distance, because someone didn't consider this with a coordinated device of where we were in space/time in the past.
Why is it not taught in school? Same reason that if someone teaches you to juggle, they don't instruct you to throw each ball at 230 miles per second relative to the comoving CMB frame (although that would be cosmologically correct). Because it's silly, and because it doesn't help any.
It's a pretty idea if you're stoned - that's all it has going for it :)
@mellowmark1 this is very possible because we can not track if we are moving in the solar system along with the sun and other planets. Dont be so closed minded
Since when is it closed minded to be literate? Pseudoscience is not science no matter which way you look at it. In science we have a very clear understanding of how we move through the solar system, and in science there is absolutely no proof for the existence of planet X. I am open minded to any possibility, but to claim something is fact with no evidence is false. Pseudoscience is no different than any superstition and should always be received with our harshest criticism.
@mellowmark1 but in science isnt it true anything is possible. Its possible there is a planet x. You havent studied every inch of space. It is also possible that we could be some lil alien kid science project that went horribly wrong
You will get no argument from me on that front, scientists are inherently open minded because they have to be. The best way to combat pseudoscience and superstition is through education, hence why I made the comment about reading a book in my earlier post. Many people seem to be content making serious scientific claims with little to no evidence to support while the answer is sitting in a library somewhere waiting for them.
When observing the solar system no one gives a fuck about its momentum in space! Thus, the model taught in school is absolutely right because it shows only what is relevant: Planets moving around the sun. Leaving out information does not make the remaining information incorrect!
this video video shows that most people dont picture he revolution of the planets within the suns revolution. this video also highly exaggerates the "horizontal motion" of the planets compared to the "circular motion".
@mayamaeru, based on the currently held belief that the universe is expanding, its a very accrurate depiction. however, if you are going to be accurate, try drawing it to scale.
A galactic year, 1 orbit of our star, Sol (the Sun) around the center of the galaxy at 220km/s takes around 250 million Earth years. Humans started moving out of Africa just 200,000 years ago. That's 1/1250th of 1 galactic year. That's the angle Earth travels while orbiting the sun for about 7 hours. Creationists believe the Universe was created some 6000 years ago. That's an angle Earth orbits after 12 minutes.
what exactly does this video disprove? The sun moves, the earth moves, the moon moves, the solar system moves, the galaxy moves, the the universe expands. Its not a secret.
And please explain how this makes the existence of "nibiru" more "probable"!
No, everything I have been taught about the solar system is not wrong. No teacher ever said that our solar system or our galaxy does NOT move through space. They have all said that our solar system and galaxy DO move through space. I am sorry that you did not learn this early on in life and but do not use you new found knowledge to spread lies or accuse anyone of some kind of cover up.
Uh.... What is the difference? I guess in the second model they decided to choose some other refrence point other than the sun such that the solar system had a linear velocity. Why this is a big deal... I can't imagine. Nassim Haramein is a moron who misleads ignorant people.
Anyone with first semester physics knowledge can disprove the crap he says with simply algebra-based physics. What's worse, his crap is an irrelevant philosophy with no use- even if it weren't wrong.
I'm suprised to see how many people didn't know about this. Here's something that'll make you think. We are moving in 7 different directions, within our galaxy, at a combined speed of almost 2 million miles per hour. So right now your moving at 2, 000, 000mph through the universe while watching this video.
Search "Interstellar travel, how the hell do we find our way home"
WWWWWEEEEEEEEE.....them pesky aliens will never catch us.
@AkaCeeNote Here's something that'll make you think. We are moving in 7 different directions, within our galaxy, at a combined speed of almost 2 million miles per hour. So right now your moving at 2, 000, 000mph through the universe while watching this video.
Search "Interstellar travel, how the hell do we find our way home"
WWWWWEEEEEEEEE.....them pesky aliens will never catch us.
its possibly because relative to the planets orbits of the sun, the suns orbit within the galaxy is moving at a snails pace, as it takes about 250 million earth years to complete one galactic year.
There's nothing about this video that makes any hypothetical planet more probable. Why would they teach orbital mechanics this way in school? It's pointless. The planets are under the gravitational sphere of influence of the sun, so their orbits should be modeled as rotating relative to the sun.
Looks like spiral spermicide(planets) chasing the ovum(the sun). maybe when we collide with the sun some day we will complete the big bang from which more life spirals out of and restarts the process all over again. Maybe a supernova is caused from all the matter and energy compressing together creating a black hole that shoots out a vortex of energy that spirals and cause matter to move through time and space with torque, and continue this process to infinity? This is just a theory ofcourse.
Awesome depection of how our solar system really operates as the sun goes thru space. Yeah, this knowledge has been around for hundreds of years...but I've never seen it depicted quite like this. Thanks!
@Korkzor they were all on the same plane as they should be,...they were moving forward ? with the sun and leaving trails and wakes from their displacement of space,...ie movement
atom, solar system, galaxy they're all similar. but do all have gravity? alien spaceships are like frisbees, but with it's own cause force inside it just to fly around, similar to the threes; atom, solar system and galaxy: a sign of life. earth distance from sun changes also speed changes. gravity pulling one another inside a spaceship. you hold hands together and spin as a kid, but you could throw him/her then you could go with him/her with the force. powerful electromagnetic energy
You may see every night when you look at the milky way, just with a single compass, that the solar system really lays on the ecliptic plan. Not at all what you see on this computer animation.
This model is close,it just needs to go up and down in a circular motion. We travel in and out of the local fluff(galactic plain/spiral arm). The question is what causes us to move? Do we have a binary star(nemisis) or does the ionized hydrogen cloud(local fluff) have some kind of magnetic pull to it?
@badtrinity72 um... not to be mean and I hate to burst your bubble... you really need to look up on Youtube... there is a Science show of the Universe and they have pictures from the Hubble telescope (in space mind you, if you didnt know about the hubble) Of actually pictures of other galaxies... and on tope of this they got in "pixels" (and if you dont know what a "pixel" is, its a billion tiny squares "so-say" made into a picture..) they have a pixel picture of two galaxies colliding. :/
@badtrinity72 um... not to be mean and I hate to burst your bubble... you really need to look up on Youtube... there is a Science show of the Universe and they have pictures from the Hubble telescope (in space mind you, if you didnt know about the hubble) Of actually pictures of other galaxies... and on tope of this they got in "pixels" (and if you dont know what a "pixel" is, its a billion tiny squares "so-say" made into a picture..) they have a pixel picture of two galaxies colliding. :/
Teachers in school today will never claim the solar system does not move - except when they're bad teachers, don't know it better themselves but don't want to admit it. Sure, they explain it as if the sun does not move, because only this way you can explain it to someone who has no concept of the solar system whatsoever. You've to understand the concept of orbits first. Only after that you can go on.
Although Haramein is full of shit this acutally is quite an accurate animation. ;)
However, it does NOT make what you learn in school WRONG! It's just a simlified model. Of course the sun is moving, along with all the planets with it, but for all (or most) practical purposes, you can imagine the sun being fixed in the centre and it's easier to understand that way. You have to understand the simple model before you can understand what's presented in this animation.
all theories, by people who are paid far too much government money while the country loses their homes and starve. theres no way to prove any of this. we dont have the technology or the time to see other galaxies colliding or whatever...ive got a new theory give me a billion pound grant to research it !....lol
''If the sun is going somewhere like that, the sun will bump into something sooner or later then? ''......You do not understand de distances in the universe......Besides...the myth of Nibaru predicts an orbital star.....Scientifficly, a star would not have the effects the myth tells aboat, and a Brown Dworf-star in orbit around the sun, would likley mess up the planets orbit so bad, we wouldent be orbiting the sun anymore.
wow, you stupid retard....Sorry, but, first of all, this does not CHANGE anything?...Who was this animation made by? I bade millions of simmulations like this my self, using a program called NewtonsAquerium. If you look at it direktly from the front, you see it as stationary. We have known for meny 100 years that the orbit is elliptical and not a sircle. This make Nibiru more probable bacoooooose? Bocose it may exidentaly hit us? No...The myth says it been here before, so it would orbit the sun
i love how people type as if they KNOW something as FACT....because I'm sure all the people shooting their loads of wisdom upon us in threads like these have all been to space, witnessed what goes on in the giant void and formed their 'THEORIES' based on this...our knowledge is based on 'educated' guess work...the veils are slowly lifting though...its amazing what a little research, and logical questioning will find.
I came across this clip whilst trying to find out whether all planets move round the sun on the same plane, and if so, why? Does this clip help to explain why? It looks like our planets all seem to rotate on the same plane perpendicular to the direction in which the sun is travelling
The planets are in the same plane because of the way the solar system was originally formed.
Nothing to do with anything in this video.
The system formed from a dust and gas cloud. It had some initial rotation, but as it collapsed under gravity the rotation increased due to conservation of angular momentum (like an ice skater spins faster as they pull their arms in). It was this rotation that caused the cloud, and the planets that formed from it, to flatten into a plane.
jeez you guys seem to know a lot about this stuff. i dont but, from where i'm stood it looks like the night sky hasn't changed all that much in the last 5,000 years or so. which leads me to think that if the solar system is moving along like the video shows then the spirals would not be so linearly streched but much more compressed like a slinky spring. plus it doesn't really matter because everything else is moving right along with it.
@ljc1506 Correct, everything is moving "along with it", so it makes no difference. You got it exactly right, the solar system moves "along with" the galaxy, so from where we are, within the galaxy, there are no spirals. The model taught is not wrong.
Galileo Galilei as far back as 1632 (!) would have understood that the Galaxy's overall rotation is irrelevant to motions occuring within the Solar System ... the fundamental laws of physics being the same in all inertial frames (Galilean Invariance). There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way we teach the solar system ... the physics within the system is invariant with either choice of reference frame. I'm afraid the title of this video is just silly.
@Velakand Well i agree, But i think you should see it as "the way we learn it" not the way it is.. So the real silly thing is the lot of people thinking and (literally) watching the moon every night as a 2D image or a simple dot, when it is, in fact, a sphere shaped object. Thats what you don't learn at school. It's like lawyers thinking about laws and ignoring economical issues, or a whole country seeing their "country" as a simple line on a map.
Regardless of relativity, apexes, and any other previous ideas brought to the table. Our educational system shows a very 2d version of the solar systems movement. Many people have the preconcieved notion that every year we end up in the same place as we were the year before. When in reality are so, so very far away.
I think this definitely would be a good addition to any cirriculum, people would instantly get a broader perspective on our galaxy and solar system...
There is no such thing as a fixed "place" in space, all motion and position is RELATIVE, if we choose different reference points we will "appear to have moved" across an entirely different distance RELATIVE to that point. The "spirals" view is just ONE of huge number of apparent relative paths. None are absolute. So it is entirely meaningless to say; "we end up in the same place as we were the year before"
There is no such thing as a fixed place or co-ordinate in space.
The solar system (as a gravitationally bound SYSTEM) is moving ALONG WITH the rest of the galaxy, it is not hurtling THROUGH the galaxy. It is not leaving a trail of pretty spirally patterns. All of this is typical nassim haramein bullshit, and anyone who wants this taught in schools should be ashamed of themselves.
"a good addition to any cirriculum" ??? yeah let's teach how to IGNORE RELATIVITY, and ignore Frames of Reference. jeez.
Imagine throwing a ball up and down inside a train moving at a constant velocity. From the viewpoint of someone on the platform watching the train pass, the ball traces out a large curve, due to the combined motions of up and down and the train's velocity. But from the viewpoint of someone inside the train, the ball traces a path up and down. Both paths are "correct" to different observers. Similarly, both the elliptical and spiral planetray paths are correct in different Frames of Reference.
Valtheos; Haramein is doing what he always does, trying to make out that there is a "problem" when in fact there isn't. Science has know for a long time that the solar system is moving around with the galaxy. It has also known for a long time that motion is Relative to one's viewpoint - relative to the Sun the planets do move in elliptical orbits, relative to an observer outside the galaxy they move in spirals, relative to an observer in another galaxy they move in more complex paths.
Yes science has known this for long time but they do not teach that in school... i found out about this 2 years ago. You are the one who is actually making the problem here, Haramein just teached and i found this very intresting.
But then why does Nassim Haramein say that the Solar system model/elliptical motions are wrong and that the solar system travels like a comet making spirals/elliptical motions through space. I'm confused. Is that guy right or is he full of it. My astronomy professor didn't mention any of this at all =/
The solar system is rotating "with" the rest of the galaxy, not "through" it (imagine being on a carousel, you rotate with the rest of the horses but you don't move towards or collide with them).
However, there is some movement of the solar system towards other stars, this is known as the Solar Apex.
The speed towards the Solar Apex is about 16 km/s, much slower than the orbital speed of the solar system "around" the Galactic center, which is about 220 km/s. The video is very misleading.
@mayamaeru I read once that running into something in space was about as likely as getting stung by a bee in the continental United States. If there were 3 bees in the continental United States.
wow lady, at least google or something before you run your mouth (to other people reading this reply, she made other comments too). your extremely ignorant to call this video a theory with no proof. also, you really need to go back to school if you think a galaxy colliding with another galaxy would affect us in any way. The distance is so incredibly far, it can only been seen with a powerful telescope and it has been seen before.
@mayamaeru calling people ignorant and uneducated because they don't believe your youtube video isn't proof my friend...people are asking for hard evidence from credible sources. A random stranger making a video on youtube, and "googling" something is hardly compelling evidence...theres a huge difference between theory, and proven fact.
@nawkrm ''If the sun is going somewhere like that, the sun will bump into something sooner or later then? ''......You do not understand de distances in the universe......Besides...the myth of Nibaru predicts an orbital star.....Scientifficly, a star would not have the effects the myth tells aboat, and a Brown Dworf-star in orbit around the sun, would likley mess up the planets orbit so bad, we wouldent be orbiting the sun anymore.
@nawkrm ''If the sun is going somewhere like that, the sun will bump into something sooner or later then? ''......You do not understand de distances in the universe......Besides...the myth of Nibaru predicts an orbital star.....Scientifficly, a star would not have the effects the myth tells aboat, and a Brown Dworf-star in orbit around the sun, would likley mess up the planets orbit so bad, we wouldent be orbiting the sun anymore.........
Well the stars do move through the sky slowly over the years. Ever hear talk about the Orion's belt constellation and how it used to appear directly above the Egyptian Giza Pyramids thousands of years ago, but it doesn't anymore? My assumption is that the stars in the constellations we can see from earth are going the same direction through the universe as we are, so they don't change very noticeably. Of course stars do rise in the sky like the sun and set like the sun, they're just hard to see.
I know its a bit late, but your forgeting that we are moving with an entrie galaxcy. the stars you see in the night sky are in the galexcy, we can't see stars from other galexcies, they just aren't bright enough, yes we can see the galexcies themselves. So the constalations that we see will stay there for a very long time as we are all moving with each other through space.
@skittlepower95 go on, point one out to me. Tell me its name. All the stars you see in the night sky are from our own galaxcy. And in reply to you other post, your forgetting just how big the Milkyway is. We are traveling very fast. but everything else is traveling with us, so it doesn't seem like much is moving, the only way to tell that we are moving through space is by looking at things out side of our galaxcy. Trust me, I do Degree astrophysics.
@jaysuscrust thats quantum physics..... just as the earth is rotating so fast... at night why dont we see the stars moving? its quantum physics and very hard to explain.....
@jaysuscrust because those stars are also spinning and moving through the galaxy at a similar rate. all the stars in the galaxy are moving in orbit of super massive black-hole at its center. and the galaxies are moving and spinning through the universe. one big fractal movement.
@jaysuscrust we do not move as fast as this video states.
the sun is moving with the milky way and we are moving with the sun and the milky way takes about 200 million years to make 1 rotation, i think, so the stars in the sky will not change that dramatically
actually the orbit is constant yet eradic similar to that of atoms to nuclei best and easiest drawn as rings and circular orbits every object in space tumbles however consistently even the earth end over end so the model that was presented previously out of arrogance to the general populace is the the stationary rings yet Doctors in Cosmogony and Physics the like since Newton learn the structure as: Nassim takes advantage of naivety
This is all typical nassim bullshit. Designed to sell his dvd sets to the gullible. I can only hope that when he's made enough money from this he will confess. Nassim is spewing more garbage onto the net than the previous champion net-nutter David Icke. But at least Icke has the excuse of being mentally ill. Nassim is fully aware that he is selling bullshit. Designer-bullshit. Carefully crafted to reel in the scientifically-naive anti-mainstream woo-woo demographic. And it's working!
The lack of "absolute" co-ordinate frames is often used as an argument against time travel. If we could move backwards or forwards in time, then during that time, the Earth would have rotated, but it would also have moved around the Sun, which would have moved around the Galaxy, which would have moved towards the Andromeda Galaxy, which would have moved with the expansion of the universe.
Which of all these movements do you include when calculating a "landing" co-ordinate. None are absolute.
And no coordinate will be absolute unless you place yourself as the singularity using the new model.
It's going to take me a lot more understanding to get it right, but I know that our current models are not correct and this one makes much more sense... at least to me.
"Time is a location. An actual coordinate in space."
No such thing exists. There are no static reference points. We've known this since Galilean Relativity, then Einsteinian Relativity. There are no "absolute" reference frames.
Where do we measure earths "co-ordinates" from? Relative to the sun? Or to the galactic centre? Or to the galactic plane? Or relative to the centre of the local group of galaxies? Or to the rotation of the whole universe?
@indie3 Give them a break, indie! They just could not correctly put in words the notion of "space-time continuum"... but they tried. I guess that is what they had in mind. :)
A comparison; The Moon orbits the Earth. But the Moon/Earth together also orbit the Sun. Combining the two motions, the Moon actually traces out a series of "concave arcs" aound the Sun. Wow! Two different orbital shapes! Which is "correct"? Well, both are, but teaching the "concave arcs" view first is pointless because it changes nothing and is unnecessarily complex.
Similarly, the solar system "spirals" view versus the elliptical orbits view.
@verbz; These spirals only "exist" if we view the Solar System from a static Frame of Reference outside the Galaxy. But we, and the Solar System, are IN the Galaxy. We rotate WITH it. So from our natural Reference Frame, within the galaxy, these spirals don't exist. Just viewing it from outside the galaxy makes no difference whatsoever to the physical behaviour of the solar system.
This video looks pretty, but it is totally irrelevant. It also contains at least 6 errors of scale and motion.
Time is a location. An actual coordinate in space.
And gravity is not determined by mass density but rather dependent upon the rate of constant acceleration through an infinite universe spiraling in a phi spiral.
A phi spiral is the path of an object that would travel in a perfect 360 degree circle on one axis. But since everything is constantly accelerating, that perfect circle never meets end to end and forever is stretched out, trying to become straight but never will.
Now rather than the sun moving in a straight line from left to right... according to Nassim's model, shouldn't the sun also be traveling in a corkscrew?
In reality, the sun is traveling around the galaxy in the same manner as the planets are rotating around the sun. Because of our relation in size, or relative perception, it seems as if the sun is moving in a straight line. The corkscrewed path of the sun around the galaxy is so great, that relative to us, the sun seems as if it's traveling in a straight line.
The bigger the object the larger the corkscrew through space, thus the lower the frequency?
The galactic velocity is "not taught" because the Solar System acts as a gravitationally-bound system (hence the name system!) galactic motion of the system makes NO DIFFERENCE to the behaviour of the system, to seasons, day lengths, solar and lunar eclipses, moons orbits, planetary compositions, atmospheres, solar physics, nuecleosynthesis, space probe trajectories, etc. None of these are altered by a change in Reference Frame. No reference frame is "correct" anyway, all motion is relative.
This is not "an important finding" . The motion of the solar system thru the galaxy has been known since the 18th century!
Astronomers know about this in great detail. They use the term "apex of the Suns way", or "solar apex", when speaking of the direction that the Sun travels through space in the Milky Way.
For gods sake people, ignore this garbage and Google the following;
Thank you for sharing this information, but it IS an important finding. William Herschel demonstrated it in 1783, yet our schools have not updated the way they teach us about the solar system. You are one of very few people who actually knew about this before watching the video.
@mayamaeru Look, it is not a ''new finding'' , ,and it does not changes ANYTHING......What we learn at scool today, i dont know, but i know that in Norway, they learn more then i did when i went to scool, and i`m a 86-model,,,,,We did learn more religion then sciense, becose of a fucked ut teatcher, but, still, i dont belive kids today learn that the sun is stationary? That people dont know shit, is another thing...Studyes show that over 50% thinks the Earth goes twice around the Sun in one year
@mayamaeru People dont know shit, and that is why people belive in things like Nibiru and 2012 and 2000 and , for god sake, repile-leaders and that oil was made by Noahs flood 6ooo years ago. The point is not what people belive, or what moste people belive, it is what we KNOW. And smart people, study, to find the answers. That is how we get knowlige, and tecnology. Once agen :::: That the Sun moves thru space, does not, change, anything.
@mayamaeru Interesting ... Herschel's discovery released same year as a Katla Volcano Eruption... mmmm..... and now here I discover it from you... in a year that Katla erupted... this info is stored thanks.... :)
@mayamaeru So this video, which is a beautiful animation by the way, would imply that the solar systems plane is perpendicular to that of the Milky Way Galaxy. That's the only part I'm struggling with. Is that the main purport of this video?
@mayamaeru Indeed, we should place this detail of the solar system dynamics available to our shildren, but this does not make Nibiru more plausible.
Gravitational interference affects the motion of planets and, if there were a huge object in the Sun's path, out of the ecliptic (the theoretical plane in which planets would revolve if the Sun were static), the dynamics of our solar system would be dramatically altered and we would have noticed it long, long ago.
It's not moving through space, the space is expanding.
whyishow 1 week ago
when i first saw this i was dumbfounded...I just couldn't figure out what the video was trying to tell me that was so important and amazing....then i read the comments and realized...people are really ignorant...what has this world come to :(...they don't need to teach this in school because anyone with half brain would be able to deduce it...
utginoxd3 2 weeks ago
A nice animation but not quite right.
The ecliptic plane is shown at 90 degrees to the flight line. This is wrong, mathematically it must be 45 degrees for all the forces to balance.
Google Solarchords com for a full explanation.
howardsway782 3 months ago
Tell me something I DON'T already know.
JBofBrisbane 3 months ago
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Because the sun is moving at like 6 miles a year and to accurately document that in the video would look exactly the first example.
talbot69us 4 months ago
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talbot69us 4 months ago
It's called an "inertial frame of reference". There is no absolute motion, only relative motion. even galileo knew that.
MelkorDCLXVI 4 months ago
Uhh what?
SikoJohnnyJr 5 months ago
@SikoJohnnyJr yeah i agree: what is this video communicating? that the sun and its satellites are moving through space together? people don't know that?
analogWeapon 5 months ago
This is taught in schools. If you are to stupid to figure it out, then it just means there is no future in astronomy or astrophysics for you. Education is like a "connect the dots" exercise and this is just another dot to be connected. It is no conspiracy, no hidden truth. It is just you who's mind is blown by a extremely arbitrary consequence of stuff we have known for quite some time. It, therefore, only says something about you.
Voxnulla 5 months ago 2
bad title
Uixoer 5 months ago
"because it makes the existence of planet Nibiru far more probable." Sounds like you really know your physics... *rolleyes*
DracoWhitefire 5 months ago
Jesus Christ! Our solar system is made of sperm...
c0unterph0bia 5 months ago
Mother fucker just blew my mind!
Xboxkupcakemafia 5 months ago
what are you talking about there are 8 PLANETS!!!
SolidArch 5 months ago
The coil orbit path of planets around the sun calculated based on relative milky way in the night sky is approximately 30 degrees south and not at the right angle as you illustrated here. The obscure prsoective is your projection from a different relative observation point and not the true solar systems path relative to the milky way.
rezadaneshi 5 months ago
I think wrong is a pretty big word. I would call it two dimentional perhaps for conceptualization purpose only. In the same manor, fabric of space time is illustrated in similar fashion. I wouldnt call it wrong but maybe incomplete.
rezadaneshi 5 months ago
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AlienshateU 5 months ago
This is a cool animatic because our solar system is actual orbiting the black hole at the center of our galaxy.
Is it true that on December 21, 2012 that our solar system will be crossing the galactic equator? Serious question btw.
megalo 6 months ago
no idea but the galaxy is a disc so i dont think you can have an "equator"
m1nt101 6 months ago
@megalo It's not a black hole, It's just a very dense concentration of stars
silverscottsman 6 months ago
@silverscottsman Well, no, it IS a massive black hole, surrounded by a very dense concentration of globular clusters, gas, and stars.
CasaDelMesa 5 months ago
@silverscottsman Well, it IS a supermassive black hole, surrounded by globular clusters, gas, and a very dense concentration of stars.
CasaDelMesa 5 months ago
@megalo I havent figured out yet, but its generally considered an event that happens over several years. I have heard critics say that its happening between 1998 - present, and i gotta agree that it sounds far fetched that an event like that can occurs in a day when the milkyway is so big, but what do i know.
And @silverscottsman who said "It's just a very dense concentration of stars" about the center of the galaxy, then if thats ur definition of a supermassive black hole is, then ur right.
hmmsporten 5 months ago
looks like an atom moving through space. there's a lot of stuff out there maybe we are just part of something very large.... the mind of god and we are all thoughts. hmmm.
xKILLurGODx 6 months ago
It's still wrong, if you want to nitpick about how its moving, how about you put everything in elliptical orbits instead of circular ones.
thescroll 6 months ago
a lot of you is missing the point. The point is that moat of us just see the solar system as a spinning disc, like a spinning plate, when this is really how everything moves, the planets spiral around the sun chasing it so to speak.
Kissekissemiss 6 months ago
umm wow anynoe who didn't know that our solar system its self is orbiting, needs to go back to 7th grade.
noah279878582 6 months ago
I thought everyone knew this....at first I was thinking, uhm, whats here that I didn't know... I had to read the comments to find out...
irelandr00l 7 months ago
spacetime-the next final frontier!
tinfoilhatter 7 months ago
ITT: butthurt
k3llzor 7 months ago
I meant solar system for the first galaxy
tomv929 8 months ago
Needs renaming. What we do know about the galaxy is correct, just because some people don't know that our galaxy is rotating too doesnt make us wrong.
tomv929 8 months ago
and to make indie shut his mouth about reference points. I think this model should be called how the solar system moves through the galaxy even though this model can make the spiral paths move in a slight bend even if it really can't be noticed with a time frame of what this model shows. thus when some one says "our solar system", it's giving our sun as a point of reference. like if someone says how our house moves in the galaxy, it's giving a reference point to our house.
thewayofthecookie 8 months ago
i will say there is on other factor that is missing from this probably. I get this is how it works moving through our galaxy, but did anyone consider that our galaxy is moving in a direction as well. Like i heard that a our galaxy and another galaxy is moving toward each other.
thewayofthecookie 8 months ago
@thewayofthecookie actually i kinda would like to see how those paths would be considering that the galaxy is moving as well. I can't really picture that without a type of model like you used to make this. would it be like those spiral paths looping while moving around in another bigger spiral path? idk, but like i said, i would like to see a model for that.
thewayofthecookie 8 months ago
@PsycoHenny
Actually leaving out information would make the rest of the information incorrect. You cannot understand anything without it being in context of its environment.
ScottishMafia95 8 months ago
first of all, shit like this isn't worthless. specially to those that are curious about possible time travel within this universe. Not considering this could fuck us up with possible time travel theories. Like going back in time, and finding yourself in the middle of nowhere in the universe, looking at your solar system in the distance, because someone didn't consider this with a coordinated device of where we were in space/time in the past.
thewayofthecookie 8 months ago
Why is it not taught in school? Same reason that if someone teaches you to juggle, they don't instruct you to throw each ball at 230 miles per second relative to the comoving CMB frame (although that would be cosmologically correct). Because it's silly, and because it doesn't help any.
It's a pretty idea if you're stoned - that's all it has going for it :)
DrBerninski 9 months ago
@DrBerninski Another little brick thinking the world as the world itself.
dabizza 8 months ago
Yeah, I guess you know more than actual scientists do. Seriously, read a book.
mellowmark1 9 months ago
@mellowmark1 this is very possible because we can not track if we are moving in the solar system along with the sun and other planets. Dont be so closed minded
TheBigBadWolf1458 9 months ago
@TheBigBadWolf1458
Since when is it closed minded to be literate? Pseudoscience is not science no matter which way you look at it. In science we have a very clear understanding of how we move through the solar system, and in science there is absolutely no proof for the existence of planet X. I am open minded to any possibility, but to claim something is fact with no evidence is false. Pseudoscience is no different than any superstition and should always be received with our harshest criticism.
mellowmark1 9 months ago
@mellowmark1 but in science isnt it true anything is possible. Its possible there is a planet x. You havent studied every inch of space. It is also possible that we could be some lil alien kid science project that went horribly wrong
TheBigBadWolf1458 9 months ago
@TheBigBadWolf1458
You will get no argument from me on that front, scientists are inherently open minded because they have to be. The best way to combat pseudoscience and superstition is through education, hence why I made the comment about reading a book in my earlier post. Many people seem to be content making serious scientific claims with little to no evidence to support while the answer is sitting in a library somewhere waiting for them.
mellowmark1 9 months ago
When observing the solar system no one gives a fuck about its momentum in space! Thus, the model taught in school is absolutely right because it shows only what is relevant: Planets moving around the sun. Leaving out information does not make the remaining information incorrect!
PsycoHenny 10 months ago
this video video shows that most people dont picture he revolution of the planets within the suns revolution. this video also highly exaggerates the "horizontal motion" of the planets compared to the "circular motion".
atabs13 10 months ago
@mayamaeru, based on the currently held belief that the universe is expanding, its a very accrurate depiction. however, if you are going to be accurate, try drawing it to scale.
johnnytheprick 10 months ago
A galactic year, 1 orbit of our star, Sol (the Sun) around the center of the galaxy at 220km/s takes around 250 million Earth years. Humans started moving out of Africa just 200,000 years ago. That's 1/1250th of 1 galactic year. That's the angle Earth travels while orbiting the sun for about 7 hours. Creationists believe the Universe was created some 6000 years ago. That's an angle Earth orbits after 12 minutes.
tcorp 10 months ago
what exactly does this video disprove? The sun moves, the earth moves, the moon moves, the solar system moves, the galaxy moves, the the universe expands. Its not a secret.
And please explain how this makes the existence of "nibiru" more "probable"!
bryansteeksma 10 months ago
It is weird to think we have never seen half of the sun.
ace1122tw 10 months ago
Lol. You were all trolled.
Esoparagon 10 months ago
this is a Fact.
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gulfland 11 months ago
No, everything I have been taught about the solar system is not wrong. No teacher ever said that our solar system or our galaxy does NOT move through space. They have all said that our solar system and galaxy DO move through space. I am sorry that you did not learn this early on in life and but do not use you new found knowledge to spread lies or accuse anyone of some kind of cover up.
shorttimeonplanet 11 months ago
Cool, I'm looking forward to seeing galactic motion like this
icoson 11 months ago
Uh.... What is the difference? I guess in the second model they decided to choose some other refrence point other than the sun such that the solar system had a linear velocity. Why this is a big deal... I can't imagine. Nassim Haramein is a moron who misleads ignorant people.
Anyone with first semester physics knowledge can disprove the crap he says with simply algebra-based physics. What's worse, his crap is an irrelevant philosophy with no use- even if it weren't wrong.
jjjooommm222 11 months ago
I'm suprised to see how many people didn't know about this. Here's something that'll make you think. We are moving in 7 different directions, within our galaxy, at a combined speed of almost 2 million miles per hour. So right now your moving at 2, 000, 000mph through the universe while watching this video.
Search "Interstellar travel, how the hell do we find our way home"
WWWWWEEEEEEEEE.....them pesky aliens will never catch us.
Altezza07 11 months ago
Never in my life has 17 seconds caused me to think so much about what i've been taught, what might happened and ect.
AkaCeeNote 11 months ago
@AkaCeeNote Here's something that'll make you think. We are moving in 7 different directions, within our galaxy, at a combined speed of almost 2 million miles per hour. So right now your moving at 2, 000, 000mph through the universe while watching this video.
Search "Interstellar travel, how the hell do we find our way home"
WWWWWEEEEEEEEE.....them pesky aliens will never catch us.
Altezza07 11 months ago
waow very nice!
Blindsyn 11 months ago
its possibly because relative to the planets orbits of the sun, the suns orbit within the galaxy is moving at a snails pace, as it takes about 250 million earth years to complete one galactic year.
lostnumbr 11 months ago
Is it just me or does that resemble a DNA chain?
HiFiman4u 1 year ago
There's nothing about this video that makes any hypothetical planet more probable. Why would they teach orbital mechanics this way in school? It's pointless. The planets are under the gravitational sphere of influence of the sun, so their orbits should be modeled as rotating relative to the sun.
TheMissingno 1 year ago
so all the planets and the sun will turn on they're sides? man i cant wait for 2012
jr2nd 1 year ago
Looks like spiral spermicide(planets) chasing the ovum(the sun). maybe when we collide with the sun some day we will complete the big bang from which more life spirals out of and restarts the process all over again. Maybe a supernova is caused from all the matter and energy compressing together creating a black hole that shoots out a vortex of energy that spirals and cause matter to move through time and space with torque, and continue this process to infinity? This is just a theory ofcourse.
charronfamilyconnect 1 year ago
this is the most truth ive ever seen in 17 seconds.
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman Other than when you look in the mirror and see you are a hideous chud. LOL
wardawk 1 year ago
@wardawk
lol, troll much?
what an idiot. does it take you 17 seconds to look in a mirror?
at least try and make your trolling entertaining...its no fun if it doesnt make sense
knowthingman 1 year ago
@knowthingman Come on bite back hard, dont play around. OWNED YA>
wardawk 1 year ago
Awesome depection of how our solar system really operates as the sun goes thru space. Yeah, this knowledge has been around for hundreds of years...but I've never seen it depicted quite like this. Thanks!
sydfan526 1 year ago
great video@! it truly gave me a new view on the motion of our solar system,@!!!
witecracker2 1 year ago
Arent all the planets in the same plane? That video seems to make no sense if that´s the case.
Korkzor 1 year ago
@Korkzor they were all on the same plane as they should be,...they were moving forward ? with the sun and leaving trails and wakes from their displacement of space,...ie movement
witecracker2 1 year ago
@witecracker2 Ah ye, I was looking at it wrong.
Pretty cool.
Korkzor 1 year ago
atom, solar system, galaxy they're all similar. but do all have gravity? alien spaceships are like frisbees, but with it's own cause force inside it just to fly around, similar to the threes; atom, solar system and galaxy: a sign of life. earth distance from sun changes also speed changes. gravity pulling one another inside a spaceship. you hold hands together and spin as a kid, but you could throw him/her then you could go with him/her with the force. powerful electromagnetic energy
WakelessNaNuq 1 year ago
our galaxy is spinning, just like our solarsystem is spinning, this has been known a long time
Gebhel1 1 year ago 2
You may see every night when you look at the milky way, just with a single compass, that the solar system really lays on the ecliptic plan. Not at all what you see on this computer animation.
oryjen 1 year ago
This model is close,it just needs to go up and down in a circular motion. We travel in and out of the local fluff(galactic plain/spiral arm). The question is what causes us to move? Do we have a binary star(nemisis) or does the ionized hydrogen cloud(local fluff) have some kind of magnetic pull to it?
wiseyeffect 1 year ago
Laws of motion ignored.
IschysDynamis 1 year ago
@badtrinity72 um... not to be mean and I hate to burst your bubble... you really need to look up on Youtube... there is a Science show of the Universe and they have pictures from the Hubble telescope (in space mind you, if you didnt know about the hubble) Of actually pictures of other galaxies... and on tope of this they got in "pixels" (and if you dont know what a "pixel" is, its a billion tiny squares "so-say" made into a picture..) they have a pixel picture of two galaxies colliding. :/
Fallin5tar 1 year ago
@badtrinity72 um... not to be mean and I hate to burst your bubble... you really need to look up on Youtube... there is a Science show of the Universe and they have pictures from the Hubble telescope (in space mind you, if you didnt know about the hubble) Of actually pictures of other galaxies... and on tope of this they got in "pixels" (and if you dont know what a "pixel" is, its a billion tiny squares "so-say" made into a picture..) they have a pixel picture of two galaxies colliding. :/
Fallin5tar 1 year ago
first of all venus revolve counter clock wise isnt that right ???
mukyo1231 1 year ago
@mukyo1231 what, it is going counterclockwise, and it does.
dudebeer36 1 year ago
@mukyo1231 venus orbits the sun clockwise but spins on it axis counter clockwise
skittlepower95 1 year ago
Teachers in school today will never claim the solar system does not move - except when they're bad teachers, don't know it better themselves but don't want to admit it. Sure, they explain it as if the sun does not move, because only this way you can explain it to someone who has no concept of the solar system whatsoever. You've to understand the concept of orbits first. Only after that you can go on.
Herbarius 1 year ago
Although Haramein is full of shit this acutally is quite an accurate animation. ;)
However, it does NOT make what you learn in school WRONG! It's just a simlified model. Of course the sun is moving, along with all the planets with it, but for all (or most) practical purposes, you can imagine the sun being fixed in the centre and it's easier to understand that way. You have to understand the simple model before you can understand what's presented in this animation.
Herbarius 1 year ago
removed my rant....lol....... lets just agree to disagree on this one ;)
badtrinity72 1 year ago
all theories, by people who are paid far too much government money while the country loses their homes and starve. theres no way to prove any of this. we dont have the technology or the time to see other galaxies colliding or whatever...ive got a new theory give me a billion pound grant to research it !....lol
badtrinity72 1 year ago
@badtrinity72 actually, we can see other galaxies colliding.
either get off youtube and back in the kitchen or go back to school
skittlepower95 1 year ago
prove it lol
badtrinity72 1 year ago
''If the sun is going somewhere like that, the sun will bump into something sooner or later then? ''......You do not understand de distances in the universe......Besides...the myth of Nibaru predicts an orbital star.....Scientifficly, a star would not have the effects the myth tells aboat, and a Brown Dworf-star in orbit around the sun, would likley mess up the planets orbit so bad, we wouldent be orbiting the sun anymore.
Aikwood666 1 year ago
wow, you stupid retard....Sorry, but, first of all, this does not CHANGE anything?...Who was this animation made by? I bade millions of simmulations like this my self, using a program called NewtonsAquerium. If you look at it direktly from the front, you see it as stationary. We have known for meny 100 years that the orbit is elliptical and not a sircle. This make Nibiru more probable bacoooooose? Bocose it may exidentaly hit us? No...The myth says it been here before, so it would orbit the sun
Aikwood666 1 year ago
i love how people type as if they KNOW something as FACT....because I'm sure all the people shooting their loads of wisdom upon us in threads like these have all been to space, witnessed what goes on in the giant void and formed their 'THEORIES' based on this...our knowledge is based on 'educated' guess work...the veils are slowly lifting though...its amazing what a little research, and logical questioning will find.
pudster420 1 year ago 2
It's not wrong. Motion is relative, dumbass. and this is taught in schools, you just to make it past 9th grade science.
ALLCAPSCEPTthis 1 year ago 2
I came across this clip whilst trying to find out whether all planets move round the sun on the same plane, and if so, why? Does this clip help to explain why? It looks like our planets all seem to rotate on the same plane perpendicular to the direction in which the sun is travelling
repeatrobot1 1 year ago
@repeatrobot1
The planets are in the same plane because of the way the solar system was originally formed.
Nothing to do with anything in this video.
The system formed from a dust and gas cloud. It had some initial rotation, but as it collapsed under gravity the rotation increased due to conservation of angular momentum (like an ice skater spins faster as they pull their arms in). It was this rotation that caused the cloud, and the planets that formed from it, to flatten into a plane.
indie3 1 year ago
jeez you guys seem to know a lot about this stuff. i dont but, from where i'm stood it looks like the night sky hasn't changed all that much in the last 5,000 years or so. which leads me to think that if the solar system is moving along like the video shows then the spirals would not be so linearly streched but much more compressed like a slinky spring. plus it doesn't really matter because everything else is moving right along with it.
unless of coarse i'm just being a bit thick lol
ljc1506 1 year ago
@ljc1506 Correct, everything is moving "along with it", so it makes no difference. You got it exactly right, the solar system moves "along with" the galaxy, so from where we are, within the galaxy, there are no spirals. The model taught is not wrong.
indie3 1 year ago
Galileo Galilei as far back as 1632 (!) would have understood that the Galaxy's overall rotation is irrelevant to motions occuring within the Solar System ... the fundamental laws of physics being the same in all inertial frames (Galilean Invariance). There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way we teach the solar system ... the physics within the system is invariant with either choice of reference frame. I'm afraid the title of this video is just silly.
Velakand 1 year ago 24
@Velakand Well i agree, But i think you should see it as "the way we learn it" not the way it is.. So the real silly thing is the lot of people thinking and (literally) watching the moon every night as a 2D image or a simple dot, when it is, in fact, a sphere shaped object. Thats what you don't learn at school. It's like lawyers thinking about laws and ignoring economical issues, or a whole country seeing their "country" as a simple line on a map.
So it's about UNDERSTANDING not scientific facts
dabizza 8 months ago
@dabizza Nicely put.
glory777 8 months ago
Regardless of relativity, apexes, and any other previous ideas brought to the table. Our educational system shows a very 2d version of the solar systems movement. Many people have the preconcieved notion that every year we end up in the same place as we were the year before. When in reality are so, so very far away.
I think this definitely would be a good addition to any cirriculum, people would instantly get a broader perspective on our galaxy and solar system...
Thnkabtit34 1 year ago
There is no such thing as a fixed "place" in space, all motion and position is RELATIVE, if we choose different reference points we will "appear to have moved" across an entirely different distance RELATIVE to that point. The "spirals" view is just ONE of huge number of apparent relative paths. None are absolute. So it is entirely meaningless to say; "we end up in the same place as we were the year before"
There is no such thing as a fixed place or co-ordinate in space.
indie3 1 year ago
@Thnkabtit34
The solar system (as a gravitationally bound SYSTEM) is moving ALONG WITH the rest of the galaxy, it is not hurtling THROUGH the galaxy. It is not leaving a trail of pretty spirally patterns. All of this is typical nassim haramein bullshit, and anyone who wants this taught in schools should be ashamed of themselves.
"a good addition to any cirriculum" ??? yeah let's teach how to IGNORE RELATIVITY, and ignore Frames of Reference. jeez.
Karma01010 1 year ago 2
Imagine throwing a ball up and down inside a train moving at a constant velocity. From the viewpoint of someone on the platform watching the train pass, the ball traces out a large curve, due to the combined motions of up and down and the train's velocity. But from the viewpoint of someone inside the train, the ball traces a path up and down. Both paths are "correct" to different observers. Similarly, both the elliptical and spiral planetray paths are correct in different Frames of Reference.
Karma01010 1 year ago
And if your an ant standing on the ball?
Thnkabtit34 1 year ago
Valtheos; Haramein is doing what he always does, trying to make out that there is a "problem" when in fact there isn't. Science has know for a long time that the solar system is moving around with the galaxy. It has also known for a long time that motion is Relative to one's viewpoint - relative to the Sun the planets do move in elliptical orbits, relative to an observer outside the galaxy they move in spirals, relative to an observer in another galaxy they move in more complex paths.
Karma01010 1 year ago 8
@Karma01010
Yes science has known this for long time but they do not teach that in school... i found out about this 2 years ago. You are the one who is actually making the problem here, Haramein just teached and i found this very intresting.
Matu1 9 months ago
Also, our galaxy as a whole is moving towards the Andromeda Galaxy at about 120 km/s. We won't collide with it for another 3 to 4 billion years.
Karma01010 1 year ago
But then why does Nassim Haramein say that the Solar system model/elliptical motions are wrong and that the solar system travels like a comet making spirals/elliptical motions through space. I'm confused. Is that guy right or is he full of it. My astronomy professor didn't mention any of this at all =/
Valtheos 1 year ago
The solar system is rotating "with" the rest of the galaxy, not "through" it (imagine being on a carousel, you rotate with the rest of the horses but you don't move towards or collide with them).
However, there is some movement of the solar system towards other stars, this is known as the Solar Apex.
The speed towards the Solar Apex is about 16 km/s, much slower than the orbital speed of the solar system "around" the Galactic center, which is about 220 km/s. The video is very misleading.
Karma01010 1 year ago 3
If the sun is going somewhere like that, the sun will bump into something sooner or later then?
nawkrm 2 years ago
@nawkrm
well galaxies have been known to collide with each other. but hopefully everything around us is going the same direction and speed as we are.
mayamaeru 2 years ago
@mayamaeru I read once that running into something in space was about as likely as getting stung by a bee in the continental United States. If there were 3 bees in the continental United States.
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badtrinity72 1 year ago
@badtrinity72
wow lady, at least google or something before you run your mouth (to other people reading this reply, she made other comments too). your extremely ignorant to call this video a theory with no proof. also, you really need to go back to school if you think a galaxy colliding with another galaxy would affect us in any way. The distance is so incredibly far, it can only been seen with a powerful telescope and it has been seen before.
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badtrinity72 1 year ago
@mayamaeru calling people ignorant and uneducated because they don't believe your youtube video isn't proof my friend...people are asking for hard evidence from credible sources. A random stranger making a video on youtube, and "googling" something is hardly compelling evidence...theres a huge difference between theory, and proven fact.
poonkinator 1 year ago
@nawkrm were going around in the milkyway, its suppose 2 meet andomeda in a few billion years
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Aikwood666 1 year ago
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@nawkrm ''If the sun is going somewhere like that, the sun will bump into something sooner or later then? ''......You do not understand de distances in the universe......Besides...the myth of Nibaru predicts an orbital star.....Scientifficly, a star would not have the effects the myth tells aboat, and a Brown Dworf-star in orbit around the sun, would likley mess up the planets orbit so bad, we wouldent be orbiting the sun anymore.
Aikwood666 1 year ago
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@nawkrm ''If the sun is going somewhere like that, the sun will bump into something sooner or later then? ''......You do not understand de distances in the universe......Besides...the myth of Nibaru predicts an orbital star.....Scientifficly, a star would not have the effects the myth tells aboat, and a Brown Dworf-star in orbit around the sun, would likley mess up the planets orbit so bad, we wouldent be orbiting the sun anymore.........
Aikwood666 1 year ago
@nawkrm sun is moving, our galaxy is moving.... everything out there is moving...
FuriousFnF 1 year ago
@nawkrm Everything is moving away from everything else, in all directions expanding.
lmusho 10 months ago
@nawkrm what if everything is going outward like that? :o
shannonkuch 10 months ago
It's the Earth's turning that makes stars appear to "rise".
indie3 2 years ago
How come the stars don't appear to move if we're travelling through space at such a rate? A serious question if anyone can answer please..? Cheers
jaysuscrust 2 years ago
Well the stars do move through the sky slowly over the years. Ever hear talk about the Orion's belt constellation and how it used to appear directly above the Egyptian Giza Pyramids thousands of years ago, but it doesn't anymore? My assumption is that the stars in the constellations we can see from earth are going the same direction through the universe as we are, so they don't change very noticeably. Of course stars do rise in the sky like the sun and set like the sun, they're just hard to see.
mayamaeru 2 years ago
@mayamaeru
I know its a bit late, but your forgeting that we are moving with an entrie galaxcy. the stars you see in the night sky are in the galexcy, we can't see stars from other galexcies, they just aren't bright enough, yes we can see the galexcies themselves. So the constalations that we see will stay there for a very long time as we are all moving with each other through space.
ShadowofNex 1 year ago
@ShadowofNex we can see stars from other galaxy's
skittlepower95 1 year ago
@skittlepower95 go on, point one out to me. Tell me its name. All the stars you see in the night sky are from our own galaxcy. And in reply to you other post, your forgetting just how big the Milkyway is. We are traveling very fast. but everything else is traveling with us, so it doesn't seem like much is moving, the only way to tell that we are moving through space is by looking at things out side of our galaxcy. Trust me, I do Degree astrophysics.
ShadowofNex 1 year ago
@ShadowofNex ok you can make out multiple stars on the following galaxies.
hoags object,ngc1300,the whirlpool galaxy,m82,antennae galaxy,i zwicky 18,ngc4414, Andromeda,m109,m106,m94,m33.
with a powerful telescope you can make out larger stars in most galaxy's.
we can even witness stars that go supernova.
skittlepower95 1 year ago
@mayamaeru and the stars that lined up directly above the egytian giza pyramids is where the greys come from!
shannonkuch 10 months ago
@jaysuscrust thats quantum physics..... just as the earth is rotating so fast... at night why dont we see the stars moving? its quantum physics and very hard to explain.....
Fallin5tar 1 year ago
@jaysuscrust because those stars are also spinning and moving through the galaxy at a similar rate. all the stars in the galaxy are moving in orbit of super massive black-hole at its center. and the galaxies are moving and spinning through the universe. one big fractal movement.
hapeninhap 1 year ago
@jaysuscrust we do not move as fast as this video states.
the sun is moving with the milky way and we are moving with the sun and the milky way takes about 200 million years to make 1 rotation, i think, so the stars in the sky will not change that dramatically
skittlepower95 1 year ago
@jaysuscrust Because those stars are moving as well
HiFiman4u 1 year ago
@jaysuscrust Answered! Thank you to everyone who replied to me. I feel stupid now so no more replies please :) x
jaysuscrust 1 year ago
actually the orbit is constant yet eradic similar to that of atoms to nuclei best and easiest drawn as rings and circular orbits every object in space tumbles however consistently even the earth end over end so the model that was presented previously out of arrogance to the general populace is the the stationary rings yet Doctors in Cosmogony and Physics the like since Newton learn the structure as: Nassim takes advantage of naivety
Kavikron 2 years ago
This video is not a "new model", Earths galactic motion has been known for a long time and every astronomer knows about it.
There are no absolute reference frames or co-ordinates anywhere, including at singularities.
I looked up Pari Spolter, the only references are from "ufo" and "free energy" type sites, not very promising.
indie3 2 years ago
This is all typical nassim bullshit. Designed to sell his dvd sets to the gullible. I can only hope that when he's made enough money from this he will confess. Nassim is spewing more garbage onto the net than the previous champion net-nutter David Icke. But at least Icke has the excuse of being mentally ill. Nassim is fully aware that he is selling bullshit. Designer-bullshit. Carefully crafted to reel in the scientifically-naive anti-mainstream woo-woo demographic. And it's working!
Karma01010 2 years ago 3
The lack of "absolute" co-ordinate frames is often used as an argument against time travel. If we could move backwards or forwards in time, then during that time, the Earth would have rotated, but it would also have moved around the Sun, which would have moved around the Galaxy, which would have moved towards the Andromeda Galaxy, which would have moved with the expansion of the universe.
Which of all these movements do you include when calculating a "landing" co-ordinate. None are absolute.
indie3 2 years ago
And no coordinate will be absolute unless you place yourself as the singularity using the new model.
It's going to take me a lot more understanding to get it right, but I know that our current models are not correct and this one makes much more sense... at least to me.
TheRealVerbz 2 years ago
"Time is a location. An actual coordinate in space."
No such thing exists. There are no static reference points. We've known this since Galilean Relativity, then Einsteinian Relativity. There are no "absolute" reference frames.
Where do we measure earths "co-ordinates" from? Relative to the sun? Or to the galactic centre? Or to the galactic plane? Or relative to the centre of the local group of galaxies? Or to the rotation of the whole universe?
There is no "correct" reference point.
indie3 2 years ago 18
if you like you can reference to my house.
tsdz2008 1 year ago
@indie3 Your point of view is relatively interesting. The fact you exist isn´t absolutely shure. So you must be a cat, because cat´s don´t exist.
The1976spirit 1 year ago
@indie3 Give them a break, indie! They just could not correctly put in words the notion of "space-time continuum"... but they tried. I guess that is what they had in mind. :)
JulioMarco 1 year ago
A comparison; The Moon orbits the Earth. But the Moon/Earth together also orbit the Sun. Combining the two motions, the Moon actually traces out a series of "concave arcs" aound the Sun. Wow! Two different orbital shapes! Which is "correct"? Well, both are, but teaching the "concave arcs" view first is pointless because it changes nothing and is unnecessarily complex.
Similarly, the solar system "spirals" view versus the elliptical orbits view.
indie3 2 years ago
@verbz; These spirals only "exist" if we view the Solar System from a static Frame of Reference outside the Galaxy. But we, and the Solar System, are IN the Galaxy. We rotate WITH it. So from our natural Reference Frame, within the galaxy, these spirals don't exist. Just viewing it from outside the galaxy makes no difference whatsoever to the physical behaviour of the solar system.
This video looks pretty, but it is totally irrelevant. It also contains at least 6 errors of scale and motion.
indie3 2 years ago
If you can understand advanced formulae, you would enjoy the book by Pari Spolter called Gravitational Force of the Sun.
In it, she corrects Newton's law which is based upon space being 2D.
Newton says everything travels in a straight line until acted upon by an outside force.
Nassim's model and Pari's proofs show that objects travel on their path through a vortex until acted upon by an outside force.
Very cool stuff!
TheRealVerbz 2 years ago
The result is:
Time is a location. An actual coordinate in space.
And gravity is not determined by mass density but rather dependent upon the rate of constant acceleration through an infinite universe spiraling in a phi spiral.
A phi spiral is the path of an object that would travel in a perfect 360 degree circle on one axis. But since everything is constantly accelerating, that perfect circle never meets end to end and forever is stretched out, trying to become straight but never will.
TheRealVerbz 2 years ago
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Now rather than the sun moving in a straight line from left to right... according to Nassim's model, shouldn't the sun also be traveling in a corkscrew?
TheRealVerbz 2 years ago
Hmmm.. this video is accurate actually.
In reality, the sun is traveling around the galaxy in the same manner as the planets are rotating around the sun. Because of our relation in size, or relative perception, it seems as if the sun is moving in a straight line. The corkscrewed path of the sun around the galaxy is so great, that relative to us, the sun seems as if it's traveling in a straight line.
The bigger the object the larger the corkscrew through space, thus the lower the frequency?
TheRealVerbz 2 years ago
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TheRealVerbz 2 years ago
The galactic velocity is "not taught" because the Solar System acts as a gravitationally-bound system (hence the name system!) galactic motion of the system makes NO DIFFERENCE to the behaviour of the system, to seasons, day lengths, solar and lunar eclipses, moons orbits, planetary compositions, atmospheres, solar physics, nuecleosynthesis, space probe trajectories, etc. None of these are altered by a change in Reference Frame. No reference frame is "correct" anyway, all motion is relative.
indie3 2 years ago 3
Ridiculous video!
This is not "an important finding" . The motion of the solar system thru the galaxy has been known since the 18th century!
Astronomers know about this in great detail. They use the term "apex of the Suns way", or "solar apex", when speaking of the direction that the Sun travels through space in the Milky Way.
For gods sake people, ignore this garbage and Google the following;
"Local standard of rest"
"William Herschel"
"Proper motion of stars"
"Solar Apex"
indie3 2 years ago 18
Thank you for sharing this information, but it IS an important finding. William Herschel demonstrated it in 1783, yet our schools have not updated the way they teach us about the solar system. You are one of very few people who actually knew about this before watching the video.
mayamaeru 2 years ago 3
@mayamaeru Look, it is not a ''new finding'' , ,and it does not changes ANYTHING......What we learn at scool today, i dont know, but i know that in Norway, they learn more then i did when i went to scool, and i`m a 86-model,,,,,We did learn more religion then sciense, becose of a fucked ut teatcher, but, still, i dont belive kids today learn that the sun is stationary? That people dont know shit, is another thing...Studyes show that over 50% thinks the Earth goes twice around the Sun in one year
Aikwood666 1 year ago
@mayamaeru People dont know shit, and that is why people belive in things like Nibiru and 2012 and 2000 and , for god sake, repile-leaders and that oil was made by Noahs flood 6ooo years ago. The point is not what people belive, or what moste people belive, it is what we KNOW. And smart people, study, to find the answers. That is how we get knowlige, and tecnology. Once agen :::: That the Sun moves thru space, does not, change, anything.
Aikwood666 1 year ago
@mayamaeru Interesting ... Herschel's discovery released same year as a Katla Volcano Eruption... mmmm..... and now here I discover it from you... in a year that Katla erupted... this info is stored thanks.... :)
trishanne1 1 year ago
@mayamaeru please see 1783 message below
trishanne1 1 year ago
@mayamaeru So this video, which is a beautiful animation by the way, would imply that the solar systems plane is perpendicular to that of the Milky Way Galaxy. That's the only part I'm struggling with. Is that the main purport of this video?
parkerjwill 1 year ago
@mayamaeru Indeed, we should place this detail of the solar system dynamics available to our shildren, but this does not make Nibiru more plausible.
Gravitational interference affects the motion of planets and, if there were a huge object in the Sun's path, out of the ecliptic (the theoretical plane in which planets would revolve if the Sun were static), the dynamics of our solar system would be dramatically altered and we would have noticed it long, long ago.
JulioMarco 1 year ago