Michael Moore at The Nation and The New School Panel Discussion (11/10/11)

[23ord]

Moore is a zionist shill.

His "manager" is Ari Emmanuel,

Brother of Rham Emmanuel.

Israeli terrorists.

[n8glenn]

@23ord Come on, that's ridiculous. Just because he works with someone who is jewish doesn't mean that he's a supporter of israeli apartheid or a terrorist.

[Boris82much]

WHY DOES ANYONE TAKE THIS FAT SLOB SERIOUSLY????? CAPITALISM HAS ENABLED HIM TO NOW BE WORTH OVER HALF A BILLION DOLLARS. HE HAS MADE UTTER FOOLS OUT OF ALL WHO THINK HE'S ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE NARCISSISTIC BAG-OF-HOT-AIR THAT HE IS.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much You're not saying that he's lying, you're saying that he's fat and rich, and you know, I never had any idea that right wingers were against rich people! That's a new one on me, I'm a firm believer that people can work hard and get rich if they want to, that's not such a terrible sin. Let me guess, you probably don't have a problem with any other rich people, do you? You only have a problem with Moore because he's on your side, even though he is rich.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn I have absolutely no problem with anyone who works, inherets, earns however much they have or want. I'm a capitalist. I have a problem with Moore because HE IS A PRACTICING AND SUCCESSFUL CAPITALIST WHO MAKES QUASI-DUMBO DOCUMENTARIES FOR THE YOUNG AND NAIVE IN ORDER TO TEAR DOWN THE VERY SYSTEM HE HAS BECOME RICH OFF OF; CAPITALISM. He is a walking, talking oximoron, a hypocrite who has been laughing himself silly all the way to the bank.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much That's actually not true. Moore isn't mad at anyone for being successful, he objects to the system because it's corrupt and undemocratic. He's perfectly ok, as he's said many, many times, with people and companies being successful, he's not ok with our government being bought by the highest bidder, and not representing you at all in any way. He's not ok with companies making a profit off of death and destruction, and I don't think that's hypocritical or anticapitalist at all.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn Were you the first in your family to walk upright?

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much What a surprise, you hate me, just like you hate Michael Moore! You can always tell who the righteous ones are, now can't you? They're the ones who are just eaten up with hate, right? You hate Moore because he's rich, exactly like all the other rich people who you unquestioningly support, right or wrong, and you hate me because I do not hate Michael Moore.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn This is THE MOST whitewashing I've ever seen from a supporter of Moore. Moore says he HATES capitalism (even though he has profited from it immensely), always has, and he has always advocated socialism and spreading the wealth around and the Occupy His Ass Movement. And oh yea, he wants to see an end to the U.S. trying to help countries that beg for our help when threatened by communism and psychopathic dictators. Last time I checked we didn't profit one cent from Iraq, Aphganistan.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much Moore doesn't hate capitalism, you're thinking of Jesus. Moore hates the current form of capitalism that we have, because it represents corruption and exploitation of the poor and working class. Moore didn't profit from that, he profited by working hard and earning every sent he made. He never bought politicians, or exploited anybody, he made movies which tell the truth, and you might not have profited from those illegal wars, but somebody did, in fact quite a few people did.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much Now, as far as being socialist and wanting to spread the wealth around, again, you're thinking of Jesus. He was the one who said that rich people could get into heaven the same way a camel gets through the eye of a needle, not Moore. If Moore believes in equitable distribution of wealth, or helping the poor and disadvantaged, then good for him, it's not a sin to want society to be equitable. If you don't want that, then shame on you.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn You have learned to rationalize well. And you weave a paragraph with a supposedly light-hearted touch, thus avoiding answering anything that is even remotely within the same solar system with the truth. Does Mikey approve of your whitewashing and dancing around his issues? Just seems as if you haven't gotten the gist of what he's being preaching. Mikey is greedy. Mikey takes advantage of the young and naive. He's made a lot of money off of stooges who don't think for themselves.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much That's just a string of insults which does nothing to undermine my arguments and in fact doesn't even address them. Jesus was against the rich, not michael moore. That's a fact that you can't question. You hate michael moore because he criticizes our current economic system, so you accuse him of being rich, in order to PROTECT every other rich person on earth, especially the greedy and dishonest ones. Moore's movies have proven to be factually accurate time after time.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much It's really simple, Moore is telling the truth in his movies, and he's not saying that nobody should be successful or that we should all join the soviet union, he's saying that current system we have is completely corrupt and immoral, which it is. He suggests that perhaps what we need in our economic system is more democracy, more equality, a more equitable distribution of wealth, etc, and because of THAT, you pretend he's the one man on earth who is not entitled to his own money.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn God how can you be so dumb? You talk like a stoned out tool.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much You know what stoned out people sound like? Listen, you're angry at the wrong people. Moore is telling you the truth, other people are lying to you, if you want to love the ones who lie to you and hate the ones who tell you the truth, then that's your choice.

[BeantownJim]

how many millions does Michael Moore have?

[Boris82much]

@BeantownJim Half a BILLION.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much And? So what? If he has half a billion (which is doubtful) he earned it honestly and fairly. He made movies, and those movies told the truth, and people watched them, get over it. He never bought a politician, he never exploited anybody or cheated anybody, like many of the other rich people, who you serve, do every single day.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn Only a pothead Occupy WS would talk like you do.

Okay, one more time. Moore has made a tremendous amount of money. Good. For. Him. He's a capitalist. Good. For. Him. Unlike you, I would not have it any other way. He may have started out with all kinds of hate toward the U.S.A. and capitalism, but as his bank account increased so did HIS FORKED TONGUE. He does not walk his talk, just like so many catered-to politicians, and in my eyes, Moore is one of the the worst.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much You know nothing about OWS, you can call them whatever name you want, but those people are doing what you're supposed to do in a democracy, and they're absolutely right. Maybe some of them smoke pot, that's not really your business. You can call Moore rich, but you can't call him a hypocrite, because he does NOT get his wealth the way those on wall street do. He is honest and successful, and he tells the truth about those who are DISHONEST and successful.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn Moore is a bloviating Babie Hughie and you know it. He wants demonstrations because he needs new material for his hypocritical cartoon series. He stirs up trouble so he has some kind of following. I loved the OWS because they cemented in the nation's mind what they're really all about: *me me me, gimme gimme gimme, whine whine whine, go to work--- who me*?! By the way, where is OWS now? I hope they get out the drum-beating and pot-smoking again soon: they're making Obama a one-termer.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much You're still just spewing anger and obviously don't know much about Moore. He has plenty of money, he doesn't need any demonstrations to help him make another movie, he likes OWS for the same reason the majority of americans do, because they're demonstrating against criminals on wall street who got unimaginably rich at the expense of the most needy and vulnerable. And where is OWS? Still basking in the glow of their victories and moving forward to the next victory.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much Let's see, they changed the national discussion, they forced obama to abandon keystone xl, they forced BofA to abandon their plans to hike their fees, they've done so much already, and there's much more to do, and maybe obama will be a one termer, maybe not, it makes absolutely no difference, same things will happen either way unless more demonstrations force more change.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn The OWS rainbow gatherings are jealous of the Tea Party Movement. Changed the national discussion...like any protest would, but the discussion soon switched to a real credibility problem with the OWS.

C'mon, man...y'all shave the hair, wash the pits and go to work, get elected and pass laws preventing Wall Street from harming so many. And if you need someone to really rant at, send Barney Frank an email. It was HIS JOB to protect but he was too busy with his boyfriend I guess.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much Tea Party? You mean that gaggle of senior citizens who were bussed around and organized by David Koche to get lower taxes for the rich and deregulate wall street? No, I don't think anybody is jealous, and I don't think that haters accusing them of being unwashed or having long hair is a credibility problem, you're just showing misplaced aggression and ignorance. You should educate yourself and be angry at the criminals, not the ones who protest against crime.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn The Tea Party, made up of small business owners, people who started working from the bottom up never looking for hand-outs, union members, soldiers who put their asses on the line for you and Americans from all income levels, started while Bush was in office, over the fear the government was going to screw around with their SS, Medicare and Medicaid...which is why one OWS GROUP IS NOW BACKING THE TEA PARTY IN THEIR CITY.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much Yeah, you just described OWS as well. They are soldiers, students, small business owners, concerned citizens of all stripes, and they don't hate the tea party, members, even though they recognize, like most people do, that the tea party got misdirected early on to do the bidding of the rich who just got the bailouts. Sorry, but the tea party got taken over by the very people they are against and they don't know it yet.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much Let's just think about this for a second, the tea party started over objections to the bailouts, but the people who got the bailouts and of course the koche brothers quickly coopted the movement, and now what are they advocating? Smaller government, less regulation of wall street, lower taxes for the rich, etc. Those are exactly the things which got us in this mess, and made wall street powerful enough to demand bailouts, while sinking our economy.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much As for barney frank, I don't think it's a crime if he's gay, he was born that way, and if he helped fanny mae or freddy mack break the law then it should be investigated, everyone who subverted our democracy, broke the law, or defrauded their customers in the financial industry should be held accountable, and we should get money out of politics, that's what OWS is calling for, and I don't see why you'd object to that.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn Big Hint: If OWS would dump Moore and stop sending the obvious message that they want......?? Free college education? Legalize pot? Jobs with starting salaries of $80,000.00 or more, nothing less? The OWS was not protesting stupid Wall Street. That was a ruse...get it? You're making Moore richer and sending Obama packing.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much Great! I like Moore and I despise obama! Listen, if you want to know what the OWS is about, just read the declaration of the occupation of new york, google it. You're exaggerating what they want, they want affordable education, and decent jobs which allow them to live comfortably, no more, and some want pot legalized, why not? We drink, we smoke tobacco, why not smoke pot? It's ridiculous to fill up prisons fighting the "war on drugs", it just prohibition part duh.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much And btw, if moore has some scheme to make money off of OWS, then explain it to me, I'd like to hear about this, I don't know how he would do it, and actually I think he's doing pretty good with that book he just released.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn Bingo: "affordable education" (The taxpayers who work hard pay for it again as usual); "decent jobs which allow them to live COMFORTABLY" (LMFAO!!! none of you are willing to start at the bottom flipping hamburgers and work your way up...my grandfather started pumping gas in 1920 and retired COMFORTABLY); "some want pot legalized" (no duh!!!). YOU ARE DESCRIBING THE VERY SYSTEM THAT IS SINKING THE E.U. AS WE SPEAK!!!!! LMAO!!! Look dear, do the world a favor and please stay in school.

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much It's not too much to ask to get an education without being put into debt slavery for the rest of your life. It's not too much to ask to have a decent wage which allows you to live with some level of dignity and enjoyment in the richest country in the history of mankind. Those tax payers you keep talking about, THEY are the ones who want those things! They pay taxes, WHETHER OR NOT they get anything for them! So yeah, they should get something in RETURN for taxes!

[n8glenn]

@Boris82much Now, everyone starts out at the bottom, or most people do, and many people stay at the bottom their whole lives! It's not so wrong to ask that children who start out at the bottom have a CHANCE is it? I don't think so, and I started out working as a roustabout on oil rigs, I worked in mechanic shops, I manned cash registers, I worked mostly two jobs at a time, so I think I know about starting out on the bottom.

[Boris82much]

@n8glenn Lame answer, glenn. The E.U. embraced marxism and look at 'em now. I was union once, til I figured out what was coming down the pike, due to GREED. What is now unsustainable was created by some unions that simply got greedy. Not the government...unions...oh and the incredible spendable Democrats.

[giuseppemare]

Check out the movie "Inside Job" to learn more about how America and then the world got into this mess. Names are revealed in that documentary of the financial meltdown. Why are these people working in the Obama administration?

[whyamimrpink78]

@aldawsurya The government can't force corporations to do anything. At least not the federal government. It isn't the federal government to decide who should succeed or not. Also, they can't force companies to pay demands that they can't afford or enforce useless regulations. Plus, if you give the government power to control corporations, wages, education, etc. who is going to control the government? Now all you have done is shifted the power from one greedy hand to another.

[MrEclecticity]

‎"Again and again in history some people wake up. They have no ground in the crowd and they move to broader, deeper laws. They carry strange customs with them and demand room for bold and audacious action. The future speaks ruthlessly through them. They change the world."

Ranier Maria Rilke

[smoochiezlove]

michael moore is a douche! go back to your million dollar home and stop trying to co op this movement ! your probably going to be making money off of this too by making some socialist movie! Douche!

[dunkelfier]

Excuse me, WHO is making the schools crappy? Could that be the teacher's trade unions, who's priority is employing teachers more than educating students? How is big business ruining the public school system in the United States? Sounds like you have no basis to back that claim up, but hey, you do this all the time don't you Mike?

[ammarios]

@MrEclecticity the motivation for compromise would be the reaching of consensus, which without no action can be taken. This way, there will be no danger of non-Occupy ideals and influences being pushed because the only people involved in this would be the Occupy-supporters (obviously), and since the communicative representative would have zero powers aside from relaying the will of the consensus-based Occupiers, there is no danger of corruption (money or otherwise). And, since despite the fact

[whyamimrpink78]

@dunkelfier We are making schools crappy, Education starts with the individual and for kids, the parents. Liberals feel that throwing more money at it will fix the situation. Also, one can look at it due to high taxes and spending on education that now parents are so over worked to keep up that they don't have time teach their kids at homes. This is a scary step to government control. Over work the intelligent so much that they can't raise their kids so the government does it through education.

[dunkelfier]

@whyamimrpink78 Dude, you can't post actual real facts based on the truth on a Michael Moore video, what's wrong with you?!

[Kojimon]

I love this!

[ammarios]

@MrEclecticity that the movement contains numerous factions(we ARE the 99%after all),despite that,we are all coming from the same direction,meaning the consensus wouldnt be too far off from any one of the factions' wills.This would eliminate the danger of the consensus having to be reached only by severely diluting the heart &core of the movement to"please everyone".Since all the factions arent THAT far off from each other,there wouldn't be that threat. Meh,just an idea I'm throwing out there...

[ammarios]

Dear Occupy Movement,

We MUST MUST elect some kind of leader RIGHT NOW. Someone to act as a unified voice for us,to crush this notion that the right-wing media is trying to push that this movement has no message; that "they can't do anything for us because we don't know what we even want.." Michael Moore I would support 100% as the leader because he actually knows exactly what he's talking about & would know easier than anyone when we're being offered real change or being manipulated again..

[MrEclecticity]

@ammarios This movement is about us (him and you and me) creating change. If we create a 'leader' we will fall into the same old 'god/guru/king/idol/do it for me oh great one crap' that is major part of how we got into this mess in the first place.

[ammarios]

@MrEclecticity Sigh..you know? I guess you're right. In fact, as I was typing that comment, what you just said actually was running through my mind... I guess instead of a leader, well, honestly, I don't know... but I DO know that something has to change...there seems to be smthg ..missing from our movement... I don't know if it's a solidified message or WHAT that we are missing..but it needs to be smthg to counter the (..cont'd..)

[ammarios]

@MrEclecticity (..cont'd) .. right-wing media's seemingly so-far effective ability to dismiss us to the world as a bunch of hippy losers..sigh I don't know even know if I'm explaining this right .. it's kinda hard to express in words...but I just KNOW we're missing something...I can feel it in my guy... I just can't put my finger on it...

[MrEclecticity]

@ammarios Yes, all a bit new and scary. And I am convinced that the whole edifice needs so much scrutiny and change.

[ammarios]

@MrEclecticity Well, maybe instead of a leader, what we can do is have a communication representative chosen at random by lottery, who will have absolutely no powers within the movement whatsoever, and his/her sole purpose would be to relay communication from the movement to the world. And the communication(message) itself would be determined by a sort of consensus-acting body, kind of like

[ammarios]

@MrEclecticitythe way the Northwest Territories in Canada do it (they don't follow the provincial government form of the Canadian provinces, hence why they're not a province but a territory). Of course, the details of how this would work would have to be painstakingly worked out, but the general idea would be that any decision/action would be based on consensus of the group. This means all factions of the movement would have to compromise so that the action is acceptable to all factions, and

[kitties34me]

You rock Michael Moore! The world has now been occupied.

[jimingrapevine]

Advance healthcare education and technology...who the Republcans? Advance healthcare by giving more money and less taxes to Healthcare Corporations. Privatize the schools and limit Federal Funds to Technology. Sorry aldawsurya I didn't see one word about handing the money over to you....just wishful thinking on your part I'm afraid.

[whyamimrpink78]

@aldawsurya So what you are saying is that Moore wants to increase the size of the federal government so they can control us while giving us the illusion that they are there for them. And the people that actually invest their money, advance us in health care, education and technology, Moore wants to take their money and give it to the lazy and ignorant. He wants to develop a communist country. Tend to the stupid and make the intelligent work so hard they can't revolt. Yep, he is has compassion.

[Bev191145]

This is only 8 minutes. The whole panel discussion was almost 2 hours! Where's the rest of it, Michael?

[idislikeaparade]

literally a communist pig.

[Johansen1000]

Michael Moore is in the 1%

[comeade]

@Johansen1000 which is bloody awesome isn't it? History is full of people who lent support to a group, even if they weren't perceived as being part of that group. But actually, i think you are wrong. The 1% have even more than some successful documentary filmmaker. Check your figures.

[andwhoa]

Occupy yourself. "Nevermind what's been selling, it's what you're buying" fugazi

Seriously, stop buying bullshit, stop believing in bullshit, and question what is really important.

Question. What is really important? I think we forgot.

[suirvale]

is corporatism a type of americna communism?/

[eichtj]

Thank you, Michael!

Thanks for everything you've done, and continue to do!

Live Long, and Prosper!

[kralljazz]

I wonder what would happen if 99% of the country went into defalt at the same time, what would/could banks do if the cash cow/ flow just stopped? total OWS movement accross the country

[vrove8]

MM is a national treasure!

[spacedecoy]

we need to Occupy the mind of the pubic with car stickers to win our money and control back from the global 1% as every country does respect to Occupy........ I sang my song to bypass the British propaganda machine... this modern folk song played at St. Paul's last Friday 4th Nov. YouTube type: "occupy folk song" after Tony Benn's historic speech sums up a lot.... public use of this folk song "if you're brainy" ...is called for and its copyright free for the Occupy cause.....

[MishuTaste]

Michael Moore should have some cross-country town hall discussions about America's problems (in all 50 states) and make it into a film.

[juliegrimme]

The Nation has the whole discussion

[Bev191145]

We want the entire panel discussion, pretty please : ) - goes on for hours.

[Bev191145]

We want the entire panel discussion, pretty please : )

[bonobo80]

@7:07 "Marx, he just had Engels... it was just two old farts, sitting around, keeping their hands warm, over the fireplace, in London, talking shit to each other..." LOL epic MMore!

[TripleSpeak]

***hugs*** to Mr. Moore & OWS

[WanderingTaoist101]

Fire them all!

[pinnaclepix]

LOVE IT!

[whyamimrpink78]

Moore once again showing his stupidity. He blames the rich for these problems but still supports big federal government. Here is the system he wants. Lets buy votes with giving handouts to the idiots and lazy, raise taxes and regulations so that the smart and hard working are so overworked that they can't have a voice or educate their kids. And raise their kid through government education. Complete control. It is amazing how many idiots follow this guy.

[mycube97]

In so broad a cause as this is, we need a few highly visible focal points to rally around, and Micheal Moore fills this need admirably. He gives definition to the cause while bringing hope and inspiration to fellow Occupiers.

Personally, I loved the mention of the suffragettes. I am part of the bottom quarter of the 99%, and there are times when the struggle really does seem impossible. I'm going to use that little piece of history to give myself hope. I'm ready to fight, now. Thanks, Mike.

[judyleasugar97]

Michael, you're one of us.

[collegeman1988]

I'm so sick and tired of those awful political commercials that are on TV months and months and months before the presidential election. Both major parties are responsible for this. It's gotten to the point that I spend my time watching movies and TV shows on DVD instead, or I find a good book to read.

[Roadracer987654321]

AIDS and Cancer are so Artificially Induced to Act as a Form of World Population Control. You must be Blind to not see it. Corruption and the Means to Eliminate the Blacks is obvious

[AnotherAgnostic]

@Roadracer987654321, did you take your medication today?

[saxmanchiro]

@Roadracer987654321 Seriously, you need to stop pushing bullshit without evidence. It's potentially harmful to make up shit like this. HIV is a virus, cancer a DNA mutation that disrupts the cell cycle. For fuck's sake, stop making shit up. Lots of people take your crap seriously.

[Roadracer987654321]

@saxmanchiro Did you ever take High School or College Level Advanced Algebra,Caclulus, or Basic Trignometry ? i did and I blew the doors off the Classroom. Did you ever learn or perform and calculations usimg variables, X,Y,Z, or ever leaqrn how to do a Quadratic Formula ? I have. When you alter one Component of an equation, everything else eitehr falls into place or fall out of place in exactly a certain way. teh Truth about what i mentioned in obvious.

[saxmanchiro]

@Roadracer987654321 Yes, yes and yes. Your point?

[SonofCimmeria]

Thank you Mike! You were right all along.

[Z200a]

Michael Moore is just so incredibly cool. :-)

[Boomer1949]

The big boys are shitting their pants. Another victory in the last couple of days is the postponing the pipeline from Canada through the US. People in power are listening because they see what is coming and they don't want to be on the receiving end. Thanks Michael for all you do for US.

[RegioLunar]

@Boomer1949 It´s how the candidates´re a sad parody of politicians.

Don´t idolize Mr. Moore too much. You all did it TOGETHER! Mr. Moore was the lone voice of one crying in the wilderness a few months ago. PLZ show the rest of us that the US isn´t full of idiots.

[Boomer1949]

@RegioLunar Sometimes I have thought I was the only one with common sense in this country and was relieved when I discovered Mr. Moor. This movement was a long time coming and I am so excited about it. Our country ran off the rails under Bush Jr. and maybe, just maybe we can all lift it back on and rebuild our country where everyone has a fair chance at what once was called the "American Dream". Thanks for your support from Germany.

[LoveIsNotNotLove]

JC and The Fisher Guys? ..was that a folk-rock band at Woodstock? ; )

..,good for us, and Mike: God, The Lord Jesus, has a sense of humour and probably laughed a good chuckle now. ..just saying. '..and they shared all things in common, each according to his need,..' gee, even communlism, it does sound abit like Woodstock?!

[thebigstir]

Micheal Moore.

Prime Time!

Thanks for adding to the collective voice, as always.

[Serienkiller44]

you are the best

[PleaseStayTuned]

!!!!