Church of God WAKE UP!!! It's time to pray for people,time to start proclaiming truth, but most importantly REPENT OF YOUR SIN!!! Judgment starts in the house of God. How are we supposed to minister to the unsaved/witness to them when we are a WICKED people??!!! Turn back to God and be Holy for He is Holy. Get on your knees and repent, read your Bibles, turn off the TV, use discernment, see the spiritual deception going on, and get right with God. Time is short.
Didn't JC say, "Worship not me, but the Father whom hath sent me""
Just saying...if you Christians take a look, he always said to give glory to Him. Not JC.
But, then again, not like Christianity is the only religion that thinks it's forked tongue ways are the right ones. Judge not, less ye be judged thyself, hmm?
Praise God it's about time someone preach sound doctrine of Jesus Christ our forever living God! People need to hear sermon. Please e-mail me back with contacts. May God continue to bless your ministry,
ever since i came out of religion the besorah that everyone calls Bible. makes more sense and the Natsarim was the first followers of Yahusha. the catholic church hid a lot of the truth from everyone of this sect, it is amazing to come out of bondage and be free. and the daughters the harlots are the Christian denominations. it all makes perfect sense because Christianity is the same as the Roman catholic church, the church is the mother of all Harlots. its not about people it is a doctrine.
i am so led by Yahusha. i came out of religion and became a Natsarim the first true followers of Yahusha, the first followers was never Christians there is proof of that look around you. they celebrate pagan holidays and not even know it but the pastors do. Xmas is pagan, Easter is pagan, Yahusha was never Greek he spoke Hebrew he is a Jew, he observed the feasts of Yahuah Elohim. wake up people. come out of her my people. religion is not the way only Yahusha there is only one way.
@gatekeeperoflight Amen to that!!! all these pagan holidays bled into early christianity by the Pagan Roman Catholic church the Great Whore in Rev 17 the city of 7 hills ROME/VATICAN.
@gatekeeperoflight salient point & observation i try to reach to my lost black friends in the black & white churches...they are driven by man not by the spirit once you see the truth people label you pessimistic & your non-holy,etc etc..now i truly understand why people become atheist or go to other religions,because they beat you over the head with fear of man & not of God..throughout the bible many great men made mistakes and repented and still found favor in God.."So Mote It Be"
This is a good sermon, thank GOD that HE has some real preachers out there who know they're not reverend. Not preacher is a reverend, only GOD Himself. This Sam Ketcher understands that it is GOD who is holy and not pastors.
That there is only 1 way to GOD joel osteen and you don't know it. Because it is through JESUS HOLY CHRIST ALONE! thank you LORD GOD for this video.
Reading through the comments it amazes me how much we love rubbishing each other...[ The complete opposite of what Jesus preached] .The devil most be having a great laugh as he stokes the fire ready for our arrival ...For without love you have nothing ....... Hope ya like it hot
him" The words of Jesus will never pass away. as for thos who wish to justify them selves with faith alone, one doesn't say his father," I believe in you. I don't have to do what you told me to, but i will, if i want to." This additude is not faith this is rebellion
@gtepp031387 so are you saying the catholic church isnt a works based religion leaving catholics dependant aopn every work of the RCC....so in reality you believe that the mass is some mystical work.. that continues through time and space... and that you contect to it through the mass...
wow what drugs are the church on where did this idea come from the bible or the teachings of men....
you see the gospel of jesus will never come together with what the RCC teaches its like oil and water.. the two can not ... the RCC has managed to blend its beliefs with the true gospel but the RCC mountain of false teachings, domas dont set people free from sin but rather bind them under false laws of men which jesus came to set us free from...
My dear brothers and sister, while i wil no longer respond to this one below I will leave you a final statment. The words of Jesus will save us of condem us. Words "the one who believes and is baptised will be saved" "feed the hungry..cloth thee naked..minister to the sick..love one another as i have loved you.." He will also ask if you have accepted the ones he sent, the apostels and thire sucessores. "whoever doesn't eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood does not have life with
@gtepp031387 one can see how conditioned a roman catholic is, they believe that they for some unknown reason feel they or their church contains the only truth... its a cirular argument because catholic refuse to accept all evidence that pertains to specfic beliefs..
the catholic mass is such an example clearly catholic have believed a lie while the obvious stares them in the face.. they focus on one and not the other...
@gtepp031387 and how are you talking to... are you some spokesman for the RCC... do you have some authority to speak to others on the behalf of your pope... are you a preist or a parrot of the RCC that simply repeats what you have been told... do catholics share answers around from one to another... hoping the next guy is smarter then the next....
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes." - St Ignatious 88 A.D direct successore of the apostle Peter, taught the faith by the apostles, ordained by the aposles need i say more..?
@gtepp031387 catholics are blind to the truth even when they are given direct questions that reveal the lies of the catholic church catholics cant see obvious errors they have been conditioned to over look things that point to the true gospel message...
so what you are saying that water baptism doesnt save but the mass does instead....
@gtepp031387 I wonder why catholics look but cant see... i wonder if any catholic out there in catholic land can tell me does the catholic water baptism saves them... if so... what does it do and what effect does it have on the average catholic...
now add the catholic water baptism with say the catholic mass.... which saves you...
does anyone know or do catholics need to add more works to their salvation
@MrLoudmouthspeaker You have been confronted and admonished now twice, and have refused to return to the true faith, and as such i must now stay away from you as the most belessed Paul has told me too.
@gtepp031387 oh really... by who... admonished... that a big word... you should try harder... catholics are like parrots they repeat what they have been told... they have been told to accept certain view points and reject the rest.... the RCC has a mold that fits its perverted beliefs what truth is revealed they simply throw it away... funny about that..
catholics simply reject anything that confronts them... they get all religious... makes them look foolish
The mark of the beast is a heretical baptism (forehead) caused by the Masonic Vatican after 1944, or a Masonic handshake (right hand). Trent and Acts 19: if anyone says that John's baptism (Holy Spirit/Spiritus Sanctus) has the force of Christ's baptism (Holy Ghost/Spiritum Sanctum), let him be anathema. The name switch causes a change in the character of that soul. This Sacramental character is the secret of the priesthood and is why Masonry had to destroy the Rite. FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
@gtepp - the hole church has become corupt... the RCC relies on its church fathers for instruction... each church father used his authority to feather his own position the church has had numerious corupt leaders over the years...
what one church leader adds the next one rejects...
somthing that has tarnished the church wouldnt you say..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The LORDs day(suday)way practised and believed in the bible. Infant baptism was practised in the bible as whole households were baptised. Forgivness of sins is clearly given by Jesus to the apostels. Binding and loosing and the keys to the kingdom were given in the bible to the apostels this would be prime authority.
@gtepp031387 water baptism happened after they accepted Jesus they were allready born again.. dont you know that... yikes... this is basic.... a sinner cant be baptised in water first... the authority was give to all believers...only God can forgive sin.. no man can know the heart of man no man can read a mans mind...its foolish to believe a man can forgive anothers sin....
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Baptism is being born again, all early church fathers agree, can you find me one person b4 1500 that thinks as you do on this topic? Im waiting..... So was the church for 1500 years incrrect, or is the man made beliefe that spring up from the year 1500 incorrect?
@gtepp031387 i t is true that by some of the fathers of the Christian church a few of these books have been quoted as canonical, but they were not looked on in this light; nor were their titles included in any list of canonical writings during the first four centuries after the birth of our Lord. until the Council of Trent, in 1545, that they were definitely declared to be an integral portion of Holy Scripture church. "Philo," says Angus, "never quotes them as he does the sacred Scriptures..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The Council of hippo in the 4th century makes these books canonical. Why do you think both the Catholics in the west and the Orthodox in the east have all 7 books? They split in 1054! Therfore your outrages claims of 1545 are nol and void! Just ask the Orthodox!
@MrLoudmouthspeaker None rejected the books that are a church father. Some might have initally questioned them, but in the end it was decided on in council and everyone agreed. Thomas questioned whether it was truely the LORD that had risen, but in the end he agreed with the truth. All of the "apostelic fathers", that we have writtings from, Clement, Ignatious, and Polycarp use the 7 books. All three of these men were ordained and taught by the apostels themselves, and Clement is mentioned...
@gtepp031387 The most influential benefactor of the Apocrypha was Augustine (354-420 A.D.), the "Father of corrupt theology." He influenced the Councils of Hippo (393 A.D.) and Carthage (397 A.D.) to declare the Apocrypha canonical. the Apocrypha were more favoured by the Western (Latin) Church Fathers
@MrLoudmouthspeaker in the bible as a co-worker who's name is in the book of life. If Clements name is in the book of life, should we not listen to him? He tells us that the apostels left sucessores, choosing in the perfect forknowledge of Christ thoes who would succeed them.
@gtepp031387 so it would seem that not all people were so eager to accept the apocrypha Jerome (340-420 A.D.) reluctantly inserted Judith, Tobit, the Additions to Esther, and the Additions to Daniel into his Latin Vulgate after some "friendly" pressure. The rest of the apocryphal books were added to the Vulgate after his demise.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "whatever sins YOU forgive are forgive whatever sins YOU retain are ratianed" - Clearly Jesus gives the power to forgive and retain sins to the apostels
@gtepp031387 how are you saved? That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The bible is not a complete and exhostive text. Paul for all we know did know these things and taught them to others, it is impossible to say as we do not have all of his writtings. It is you who rely on the bible alone that was put together and decided on by the Catholic church in the late 4th century, that follows a man made tradition. The Apostles were clearly given the authority to bind and loose and hold the prime authority, they passed there authority on to other
@gtepp031387 the bible clearly states that it contains all we need to know to come to God... it is the power of salvation.... again the RCC didnt choose the books by their own authority... the early churches were allready useing the letters of paul... the bible is very clear on this point....
@gtepp031387 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household” (Acts 16:30,31).
By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain (1 Cor 15:2).
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Ok believing is one part..but that one verse doen't throw these out "Unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you do not have life within you." John 6:53 "The one who believes AND it baptized will bge saved" Mark 16:16 "Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him,..Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother
@gtepp031387 excuse me. but without faith and belief you arnt saved...anyone can do the right things but that doesnt make you christian...first thing....if you were born again like you say you have allready accepted God in your life and that God now lives within you.... surly you understand this...may be you dont... because when you become a christian you have eternal life now... you have received Gods spiritual life with in you now.... you sound like you are still spiritually dead..
@gtepp031387 do you know the moment you receive Jesus into your life you are transformed from death to life... do you not know that you have the new life....you have the gift of salvation now....so tell me what does eating of the mass do for you.... you can only receive salvation once you say you receive salvation more then once....
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I will not be saved untill I sit before the throne of Judgement as is written. "all the dead shall be judged by there works" I eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man so I may have life within my as Jesus told me too. I do it becaues i love him and believe in him. I know that thoes who believe in Jesus keep his commandments. Like being baptised, listening and accepting the teachings of the apostels, eating the flesh, drinking the blood. Giving food to the hungry,
@gtepp031387 You fail to understand the most basic teaching....I'm not surprised by your confusion...if you have accepted jesus you have allready been transformed by God from death to life... Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. - if you are a christian you have eternal life now.... if you say you dont then you havent accepted jesus
@MrLoudmouthspeaker So then what Jesus said won't come true, you won't stand before the thrown of Judgement? How do I know if you have been truely bin sanctifed, not only in outword appearance, but in the heart as well? Only Jesus knows and he will sort it all out in the end. There is one judge, and it is not me. I'll let Jesus decide in the end as it is written, and work out my salvation with fear and trembling as Paul told me too
@gtepp031387 wow you really are mixed up.... all christians are judged .,not for rejecting jesus but rather having their works judged.... now do you get it....sanctification is the process of becoming more like christ in our daily walk with Jesus....the process of sanctification is fullfilled when we meet jesus and not before... if you believe you have to be sanctified before you get to heaven you are majorly mistaken...
the church hasnt given you the proper teaching on this... thats clear
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The church has allways given the proper teaching. The path to heaven is so very narrow and how few shall find it! There are some sins that shall not be forgiven, they are deadly! You wish to be forgiven, repent and bear fruit of your repentance! You think heaven is like a cake walk, it isn't! Who taught you this? You are on the path the devil has put you upon! If you right eye caues you to sin, do not simple say im forgiven no pluck it out and throw it into the fire!
@MrLoudmouthspeaker If your right arm caues you to sin cut it off and throw it in to the fire! Do not simple presume becaues you are a child of Jesus that you will make heaven, amen i say to Jesus could raise a children from the stones! The the path to heaven is narrow! How few shall find it! The path that leads to destruction is wide and oh how many will walk down it! Repent and bear fruit! Every tree that does not bear fruit will be cut down and thrown in the fire!
@MrLoudmouthspeaker In the end Jesus knows the heart, he will judge us, there is one who judges. Nothing unclean will enter heaven, so yes one must be sactified before we enter! You may think you are sancitified, and think you have eternal life, but untill before you stand before the throw of judgement you shall have niether. Remember the one who believes in Jesus keeps his commandments, In your understanding of born again being all saving and not just a part of salvation, if you have sined...
@gtepp031387 the bible clearly states that when a sinner repents they are born again they receive Gods spirit with in them... What do you think this is, but salvation... new spiritual life... dont you know that christians are sealed with the holy spirit as a sign that we have receieved Gods spirit within us...you reject the obvious...
a sinner .........> recieves new life..........> has salvation........its simple
@MrLoudmouthspeaker you have bin born again..then you have not been born agin, for who sins doesn't know GOD. No one who knows GOD sins, they can't sin becaues GODs seed remain in them. God can not abide in sin, so when you sin GOD must leave you. Then you must repent and bear fruit of your repentance. Being born again you recieve grace, but then as you remain in grace you recieve grace for grace, remaining in GOD grace you become sanctified and achieve salvation through sanctification
@gtepp031387 you really are confused.... all believers sin.... daily this doesnt mean that they dont know God or that they havnt received Jesus...the bible talks about repentance and Gods restoration.... if you believe you cant go to heaven until your sanctified then you will be waiting a very long time on earth...
the RCC has a warped view of sanctification its worth looking in to
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Satan you lie and speak word for word against the holy word of GOD "Whosoever abideth in him, sinneth not; and whosoever sinneth, hath not seen him, nor known him"( 1 John 3:6) and again "Whosoever is born of God, commmitteth not sin: for his seed abideth in him, and he can not sin, because he is born of God."(1 John 3:9) Be gone Satan suggest to me no more of these vain things the cup tho confess to me is evil, tho drink thy poisen!
@gtepp031387 What on eaarth are you talking about... are you saying i am not a christian because i sin...are you saying that you a) dont sin or b) arnt born again in this life time.. You should read about paul... he claims that he is the chief of sinners...
5:17 For the flesh has desires that are opposed to the Spirit, and the Spirit has desires that are opposed to the flesh, for these are in opposition to each other, so that you cannot do what you want.
@gtepp031387 christians struggle against the desires of the flesh every day....that doesnt mean they dont know God... jesus's blood washes away our sin.
.Rom8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the life-giving Spirit in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death
YOU should read Philippians 3:12-14: it will help you alot...
@gtepp031387 did i answer this one or not...the bible states that believers sin.... the bible also states that a believer can be restored... so if i were you i would look at all the scriptures...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Your statment about the gospel is silly, do you even know who you got your bible? The bible is a Catholic book. We complied it, cannoized it, decided what was to be in it and what was not, and you think that we don't agree with it? You should learn where you got your bible from, and by what authority it was put together. Why do you trust it so? Is it becaues it is the word of GOD? Even the mormons whould say that! I tell you if the gospel was not being preached to me through
@gtepp031387 oh boy this is a lame reply... there were no catholics in the time of Jesus, there where no catholic churches in the time of jesus...mary wasnt roman catholic... non of the disciples were catholic... there were no catholic preists...the first believers that walked and talked with jesus wernt catholic.... they wouldnt of even heard of the name catholic...
you should check your facts... it doesnt make you look good at all...
@gtepp031387 the teachings of Jesus was accepted the letters of paul were accepted as scripture.. did they have to wait for the RCC ..no way... did the jews need the aproval of the RCC for their scriptures.. of course not...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "Wherever Jesus is there is the Catholic church" and "Whoever opposes the bishop does in reality serve the devil" - St Ignatious 88 A.D. ...Humm who to trust one who knew the apostels, was ordained and taught by them face to face, or you 2,000 years later......humm tough decision...hummm...yea I'll take the word of thoes who knew the apsotles and where taught by them face to face thank you
@gtepp031387 actually if you read the verse properly it doesnt mention the catholic church... why have you miss quoted the scriptures.... You have just lied about what the verse states.... the first apostles could be trusted sure but after that you can see how the RCC rose up and started to twist the true gospel message...the RCc would state that what these men taught were truth... this is where the RCc deviated from the truth to follow its own perverted truths...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I didn't give you a scripture verse I gave you Ignatious of Antioch in 88 A.D.The direct successore of Peter who said "wherever Jesus is there is the Catholic church"
if the bible was truly catholic then why doesnt it contain anything from the RCC teachings... there is no assumption of mary, there is no sacred heart of mary, there is no praying to jesus through mary.. mary cant save people in purgatory,... mary isnt called the queen of heaven.... there is no purgatory...no rosary.... no waffer worship...
there is nothing roman catholic about Gods word havnt you discovered this yet....
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Heres another truth given to us by St Ignatious "They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes."
@gtepp031387 oh really ... you believe what he says... this is one of those lies which is planly seen.. the last supper is a memorial and not sum mystical time where Jesus comes down and where the waffer becomes the real flesh and blood of jesus...
oh wait you believe that there is the real fleash and not the real blood of jesus so which is it...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker It is both the real blood and the real body, It is Jesus continuall sacrifice that lives and continues to save people thousands of years after he died. Let me ask you did Jesus just die for the people that were alive at the time he died, or did he die for thoes to come as well. So is Jesus sacrifice alive? Yes it is. And yes I will take St Ignatious over you any day of the week, mounth year even century!
@gtepp031387 Look to answer you question properly i would have to send a personal message as i need more space then these comment squares...oh boy.... you have been sold a lie... the RCC has given you a perverted gospel indeed...
the waffer isnt the real fesh or blood of jesus, it isnt a continual sacrifice... If you want to know the truth then message me.. and i will present the facts for you in a clear manner
@MrLoudmouthspeaker And heres one by St Clement who was mentioned in the bible as a coworker whos name is in the book of life "Our apostels knew though our LORD Jesus Christ that there would be strife for the office of the bishop. For this reason, therfore, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed those who have already been mentioned and afterwards added the futer provisions that, if they should die, other appoved men should succeed to their ministy.” - St Clement 80 A.D.
@gtepp031387 so lets put it in the spot light... why dont you tell us what you believe about the mass and what it does for you...is it the same sacrifice of jesus on the cross... do you believe that the sacrifice of jesus still continues... exactly what do you believe about the mass....
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Sure I'll answere any question you ask.Jesus gave us his body and blodd and he said this IS my blood thi IS my body and many wouldn't accept this and they walked away and followed him no more, tell me why did these people walk away and follow him no more if the body and blood was just symbolic?Do you think all they needed was a good old baptist minister there saying he doesn't really mean it it's just symbolic mabey then they wouldn't have walked away then huh just wondering?
@gtepp031387 the scriptures states in Gal. 5:16 But I say, live by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desires of the flesh....Rom13:14 Instead, put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh to arouse its desires.
You need to look at all the verses...2 Cor 7:1 (NET)
7:1 Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that could defile the body and the spirit, and thus accomplish holiness out of reverence for God.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Yep the bible must be taken as a whole becaues we survive by every word that proceeds from the mouth of GOD. That would mean we need to be baptised, believe, love, hope, have faith, forfill the great comission, continue to perserver to the end, not sin, work out our salvation with fear and trembling. It means we must confess and repent of our sin or we will depart this life not in a state of grace. It means we also must rely on GODs mercy and forgive and be merciful ourselves
@gtepp031387 so you admit that the bible is to be taken as whole.. and that any doctrine must line up with the scriptures... thats good... for and tradtion that doesnt come from Gods WORD is surly false....
the rest of what you say here is actually correct are you roman catholic... because you dont sound like it
God states that he will forgive and forget.. God will remember our sins no more...total restortation
@gtepp031387 as i have said before all believers sin and mess up... that doesnt mean they arnt born again... when you accept Jesus have eternal life... the bible states that we should walk in the spirit because our flesh battles with spirtual truth...a daily walk... but we know that if we sin we can come to God.. and receive forgiveness... i have just repeated what said in a manner that all can understand...sanctification is a daily process...to become more like God
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Yes we can be forgiven if we "repent and bear fruit of our repentace" And while it is good to confess to GOD we must also "confess (our) sins to one another..so that (we) might be healed" Anyone who sins belongs to the devil, and none who sin know GOD, they can't sin becaues GODs seed remains in them, as written by John. And as you said we all sin after knowing GOD, for this reason the council of Trent wisley stated the sacrement of reconsilliation is nessesary for salvation.
@gtepp031387 here you see the RCC inventing what God has allready put in place why is it that the RCc had to invent the sacrement of reconsillation... the bible tells us that we can go to one another for forgiveness so we build up one another in the body....
this is a perfect example of How the RCC has added and complicated Gods scriptures... thanks for showing everyone... dont you think people can read the bible and understand Gods word without this rediculious man made tradtion..
@gtepp031387 oh boy,when you accept God - YOU receive eternal life the moment you accept God... you are transformed from death to life... You become the temple of God.... God lives with in you through the holy spirit...
How can you be a believer and not be transformed? how can you go to church and not have God live within you now.... when you die and stand before God then salvation is fullfilled..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker drink to the thirsty, mourning with the widow, clothing the naked, ministering to the sick, loving my brothers, praying together, confessing my sins to others, working out my salvation with fear and trembleing.
@gtepp031387 most catholics believe that they only receive salvation or the eternal life when they stand before god... you cant be a believer and not be spiritually reborn...if God doesnt live within you - if you believe that you have new life through water baptism then you have received this new spiritual life
st augustine declared that he was born again through water baptism.. if this is true then he has allready been transformed from death to life...he has new life...
@gtepp031387 wrong again... when you ask forgiveness... God totally forgives you - you are restored back to rightiousness....when God forgives you.. God forgets... you slate is wiped clean... you should know that... there is no after effects no lingering punishment that has to be dealt with....
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The earliest church fathers, Clement, Polycarp, and Ignatious.. use nearly all 7 books in there writtings. These were men who were taught by the apostels face to face.. yea I think I'll listen to them even over St Jerome, who eventually accepted all 7 books, and espeacially over your modern church that was founded by men some what 1700 years later
@gtepp031387 so how do you explain the obvious errors and false claims found in these 7 books... do you turn a blind eye to the obvious mistakes ...or havnt you found the errors yet... probably not... we could look at the errors in these 7 books as well...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me" Mark 10:17-21 "every tree that does not bear fruit shall be cut down and thrown into the fire" Matthew 7:9 "Faith of itself, it not accompanied by works, it dead" James 2:17
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "If i have faith to move mountains but have not love i am nothing" 1 Corinthians 13:2 "But if any provideth not for his own, and specially his own household, he hath diowned the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever" 1 Timothy 5:8
@gtepp031387 thats right if you have been born again or received Gods spiritual life... you havnt been transformed by God... you are just pretending to be christian many people are only religious.. they go through the motions, they repeat this prayer, they kneel when their supposed to, they sing when they are supposed to...
they follow the priest...ect but they arnt saved...
@gtepp031387 believers arnt judged for not believeing in jesus unlike unbelievers rather christians are judged by what they do... what are the motives that they do their ministry in church... true works will be t ested by fire and stand false works will be lost though first - the christian is still saved
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Faith hope and love are needed, but greater then faith LOVE is. If i have faith to move mountain but have not love i am nothing. Faith of itself, if not accompanied by works, is dead. Can this faith save you?
@gtepp031387 You should know that true repentance and conversion comes good works, without having faith and belief as your foundation then love and good works come from... thats what living faith is= accepting God, receiving God into your life..being born again ..spiritual rebirth...
it not hard to work out - the RCC just complicates it..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Faith is one of the three foundations. Image it's a three legged chair. You have faith, love, and hope. If you take love away...well your not in the chair anymore. The same with faith and hope.
@gtepp031387 the RCc is more focused on good works, chasing graces, following tradtions of man... this equal man made religion and not the gospel of Jesus there is a big difference... anyone can be religious...
dead faith means no spiritual re birth they are still carnal.... thats obvious
@gtepp031387 just because a priest puts on his robes ect doesnt make him any better then the sinner that repents and accepts God..the RCc likes its fan fare, its parades with people carrying statues of mary... but this rubbish wont saved you..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I never said a priest is better than anyone else, he just has authority that others do not. In fact the priest will be jugded on a much stricter level as Jesus says.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
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He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
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And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
@gtepp031387 these are the good works that we were made for... good works come from spiritual life from God....anyone can do good works... even a sinner can do good works by the worlds standards... a religious person can do good works now and receive their reward now....
@gtepp031387 do you do these things because you have to? do you do these works because they will get you into heaven? what is the motive for you doing these 'works" do you do them to earn points... i wonder...
good works we are made to do... they should come natuarlly without effort... i dont brag or boast about what i do.. one shouldnt rely on works to get you in....the more works i have the more safer i am to go to heaven...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Salvation is by grace, but we recieve "grace for grace"(John 1:16) By remaining in GODs grace we recieve greater grace, but only by the grace we first recieved. Following this process we eventually achieve "salvation through sanctification" (2 Thessalonians 2:13)
@gtepp031387 you should know that the moment you receive Jesus the sinner is forgive, he is declared rightious free from guilt...yes salvation is free.... you are totally wrong on this.... we have new life now... not later...if you believe that you only receive gods knew spiritual life when you stand before God you have missed the point totally.... our life is a process of sanctification...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Whoever sins does not know GOD! He can't sin becaues GODs seed is in him! Repent and bear fruit of your repentance! Work out your salvation with fear and trembling! Fear the LORD your GOD, and teach your cildren the fear of the LORD! Fear the one who can destroy both body and soul! Repent and bear fruit of your repentance! Go and sin no more lest a worse thing happen!
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "This IS my body, this IS my blood...whoever doesn't eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood does not have life with in him" - our LORD Jesus.
@gtepp031387 oh boy polly want a cracker.... lets take a minute and think for your self.... i know catholics cant think for them selves and that they must rely on their church fathers for everything... so lets test the church...
how does infant baptism save a baby.... can salvation be given in proxy to the baby by their parents, if so what happens to the baby say until they become 16... is the teen ager covered by their infant baptism or do they make their own choice to accept God...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker who decided on your bible. If you say they had no authority, then why follow a bible they put together? How could the scripture be infallible if fallen teachers put it together? How could the united christian church be wrong in ecumentical council?
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Why follow the Catholic book the bible if you think they were corupt? If the decisions of the the ecumentical councils were flawed then the bible is flawed as well.
@gtepp031387 you keep hanging onto the idea that the RCC by its own man made authority defined the books of the bible..who were the bishops that did this supposed thing and what letters were allready bwing used by the early churches before the church councils met
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The church does teach what Jesus taught. Jesus told us if we believed in him we would accept and believe the words of those he sent, the apostels. The apostels set up a phisyical church with a hiearchy. Why do yo protest the apostel?.... Oh i know why "Whoever oppsess the bishop does in reality serve the devil" - St Ignatious around 100 A.D. Ordained by Saint Peter, given apostelic authority, the office and ministry of the apostels, Maryter for the faith, one of the babys
@gtepp031387 the RCC invented infant baptism, the catholic mass, the asumption of mary, pennace, purgatory.. ect ..ect... Jesus never taught these things...early church fathers rejected what the church taught later... funny about that..
@gtepp031387 The first and most important work of the apostles was to deliver a personal testimony to the chief facts of the Gospel history (Mark 16:15; Acts 1:21,22). Their teaching was at first oral, and it was no part of their intention to create a permanent literature. A cycle of selected representative facts sufficed to form the groundwork of their oral Gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-10).
But in the course of time many endeavored to commit to writing this oral Gospel (Luke 1:1-4).
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The Catholic church put the bible together. How do you think all those books came together? Do you think it just fell like that from the sky?
@gtepp031387 At the time of the formation of the New Testament canon twenty out of the twenty-seven books were readily and universally accepted as genuine, and therefore called "Homologoumena" (i.e. acknowledged). These twenty books were the four Gospels, the Acts, the epistles of Paul (except that to the Hebrews), and the first epistles of John and Peter. The other seven books--Hebrews, 2 and 3 John, 2 Peter, Jude, James, Revelation
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Purgatory, pennance,infant baptism, the mass are all scriptural. In fact the mass is 99 percent scripture. The assumtion of Mary is a logical conculsion and a divine revalation.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker And i rely on the apostesl just as jesus asked Yes. Well you rely on a church that was invented by men in what like the 1600s i think you got it backwars. Satan has really don a number on you. We can look at the ealiest church fathers that were taught face to face by the apostesl and prove every other church wrong.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Jesus blesses in Matthew, studied under John the apostel and Peter. Yeah i think I'll take the word of one who knew the apostels and was taught by them face to face. Why do you reject the apostelic sucessore Ignatious? Why have you thrown out the decisions of the apostels? If you can't accept what the apostels did then you niether do you accept nor believe in Jesus.
@gtepp why is it that catholic believe they can trace them selves back to jesus.... there was no roman catholic church present when Jesus walked the earth and mary was infact jewish.... and not catholic... there were no rosarys, no statues to kiss or bow down to...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Man you are lost.. Your just being silly Ignatious was given all authority of an apostel.. Image if you will you walk into Ephisus in 150 A.D. There is a group of christian that follow a teacher called Arias he believes that Jesus was just a great teacher but he has been imparted with greater knowleged. There is another group over there they believe that Jesus never came in the flesh becaues that is blasphimy they have so and so as there teacher. There is a third group over
@gtepp031387 - In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship / adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker there they meet in a local synoguage and worship on sundays becaues thats the day they say Jesus rose from the dead! They have a bishop as there teacher, they call themselves the universal(Catholic) church of Christ becaues they believe the same things throught the world, and were sent by the apostels. They have a bishop as there teacher who ordained by a man named Timothy who was sent by what they call an apostel Paul. Which group are you going to go to?
@gtepp031387 Many of us are also aware that the Vatican changed the 7th day Sabbath to Sunday as well. That is the main issue I would like to illustrate on this page. The prophecy of Daniel is 100% accurate on this point without a doubt!
The Catholic Church,... by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.
" The Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The Catholics traces there roots to the apostels, who left sucessores to take over there ministry and office, they called these sucessores Bishops. Every bishop in the Catholic church can trace his line of sucession back to the apostels.
@gtepp031387 you forget that what the church teaches isnt what Jesus taught... thats the point....where did these catholic fathers come up with their false doctrines... as it wasnt from Jesus who was it from. as the apostle paul didnt know about this stuff... again, where is this mentioned ..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker If you study the earliest Christian writtings and not just skip 1500 years forwords you will see where all the formentioned things come from, but you protestants are unstudies this is the reason you are protestants. When you becaome knowledgeble you will become a Catholic, or you will be the seed of the devil that is allways trying to attack mother church.
@gtepp031387 oh really so you are going to tell me that the very first believers had been given the exact same teachings as what the first catholic fathers did.... now who is telling porkies...when did the first catholic church appear...
Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. --1 Tim 4:15-16 NIV
Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness," Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
Therefore, we are made right with God by faith, not by faith and our works; hence, faith alone.
@canalzonebratt90 "See how a person is justified by works and not by alone" James 2:24 "To them that are under the law, as if I were under the law, (whereas myself was not under the law,) that I might gain them that were under the law. To them that were without the law, as if I were without the law, (whereas I was not without the law of God, but was in the law of Christ,) that I might gain them that were without the law. "
@canalzonebratt90 1 Corinthians 9:21 "Faith of itself, if not accomanied by works is dead" James 2:17 "If i have faith to move mountains but have not love than i am nothing" 1 Corinthians 13:2 My dear friend the bible is a Catholic book we gave the world the bible. Faith alone = Nothing and dead. Paul sees two laws one he is free of and one he is under do you understand that verse?
@canalzonebratt90 what about this one "unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you do not have life with in you" John 6:53 What about this one "every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire" Matthew 7:19 Do you really believe Paul is contridicting the LORD? Paul is saying not by works of the LAW which law tho as he sees two laws surley not the divine law talked about in James? Which on then could it be the mossaci LAW?
@canalzonebratt90 Truley anyone who poiints to one verse or even 20 or 30 verses and says this is all you need is lost as it is written "man does not survive by bread alone but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD" Matthew 4:4
@canalzonebratt90 “Just as a body without a spirit is dead(let me ask you is a dead body still a body, does it still exist? If you don't know walk into any morgue and see) so also is faith without works dead” (James 2:26) So if a dead body is still a body, as the most infallible scripture states that faith without works is “JUST AS a body without a spirit”, then faith tho dead is still faith. Does it not still exist like the body?
@canalzonebratt90 heres another one that protest(GODs church)ants dont follow "Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever" 1 Timothy 5:8
@canalzonebratt90 and yet another "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man" 1 Timothy 2:12 and another "women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says" 1 Corinthians 14:34. So what is Pauls reason oh yea becaues the LAW SAYS surley if he didn't believe he was under a law he would not say this now would he.
Awesome video!
BootlegTapes 3 weeks ago
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Church of God WAKE UP!!! It's time to pray for people,time to start proclaiming truth, but most importantly REPENT OF YOUR SIN!!! Judgment starts in the house of God. How are we supposed to minister to the unsaved/witness to them when we are a WICKED people??!!! Turn back to God and be Holy for He is Holy. Get on your knees and repent, read your Bibles, turn off the TV, use discernment, see the spiritual deception going on, and get right with God. Time is short.
KMags8 1 month ago
Didn't JC say, "Worship not me, but the Father whom hath sent me""
Just saying...if you Christians take a look, he always said to give glory to Him. Not JC.
But, then again, not like Christianity is the only religion that thinks it's forked tongue ways are the right ones. Judge not, less ye be judged thyself, hmm?
zacaladas 1 month ago
Praise God it's about time someone preach sound doctrine of Jesus Christ our forever living God! People need to hear sermon. Please e-mail me back with contacts. May God continue to bless your ministry,
michaelkelvin1 4 months ago
ever since i came out of religion the besorah that everyone calls Bible. makes more sense and the Natsarim was the first followers of Yahusha. the catholic church hid a lot of the truth from everyone of this sect, it is amazing to come out of bondage and be free. and the daughters the harlots are the Christian denominations. it all makes perfect sense because Christianity is the same as the Roman catholic church, the church is the mother of all Harlots. its not about people it is a doctrine.
gatekeeperoflight 5 months ago
i am so led by Yahusha. i came out of religion and became a Natsarim the first true followers of Yahusha, the first followers was never Christians there is proof of that look around you. they celebrate pagan holidays and not even know it but the pastors do. Xmas is pagan, Easter is pagan, Yahusha was never Greek he spoke Hebrew he is a Jew, he observed the feasts of Yahuah Elohim. wake up people. come out of her my people. religion is not the way only Yahusha there is only one way.
gatekeeperoflight 5 months ago
@gatekeeperoflight Amen to that!!! all these pagan holidays bled into early christianity by the Pagan Roman Catholic church the Great Whore in Rev 17 the city of 7 hills ROME/VATICAN.
JacquesBeard 5 months ago
@gatekeeperoflight salient point & observation i try to reach to my lost black friends in the black & white churches...they are driven by man not by the spirit once you see the truth people label you pessimistic & your non-holy,etc etc..now i truly understand why people become atheist or go to other religions,because they beat you over the head with fear of man & not of God..throughout the bible many great men made mistakes and repented and still found favor in God.."So Mote It Be"
lilripsta1995 2 months ago
background music is tooooo distracting what with a scroll to read and a sound rack to listen to.
meggy8868 6 months ago
this is very true...damn i thank God for wisdom i prayed for...
lilripsta1995 6 months ago
act's two??? act ur fuckin age.
euroman32589 7 months ago
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KeneshaCoulibaly 7 months ago
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youneekk 9 months ago
Whats the song playing in the background?? anyone know??
Goncharuks 9 months ago
This is a good sermon, thank GOD that HE has some real preachers out there who know they're not reverend. Not preacher is a reverend, only GOD Himself. This Sam Ketcher understands that it is GOD who is holy and not pastors.
That there is only 1 way to GOD joel osteen and you don't know it. Because it is through JESUS HOLY CHRIST ALONE! thank you LORD GOD for this video.
mammal46 9 months ago
One word - Brilliant and so true it hurts
Reading through the comments it amazes me how much we love rubbishing each other...[ The complete opposite of what Jesus preached] .The devil most be having a great laugh as he stokes the fire ready for our arrival ...For without love you have nothing ....... Hope ya like it hot
ubigin 10 months ago
Great video and right on point. I am sending this out to our email list. From scourby.com.
scourbybible 10 months ago
Wow. I wish I could put ideas like this into words like this man. But no worries, God uses even the foolish things...
julieification 10 months ago
1 John 3;7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
James 2:17 Faith of itself, if not accompanied by works, is dead.
James 2:24 See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
him" The words of Jesus will never pass away. as for thos who wish to justify them selves with faith alone, one doesn't say his father," I believe in you. I don't have to do what you told me to, but i will, if i want to." This additude is not faith this is rebellion
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 so are you saying the catholic church isnt a works based religion leaving catholics dependant aopn every work of the RCC....so in reality you believe that the mass is some mystical work.. that continues through time and space... and that you contect to it through the mass...
wow what drugs are the church on where did this idea come from the bible or the teachings of men....
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
you see the gospel of jesus will never come together with what the RCC teaches its like oil and water.. the two can not ... the RCC has managed to blend its beliefs with the true gospel but the RCC mountain of false teachings, domas dont set people free from sin but rather bind them under false laws of men which jesus came to set us free from...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
My dear brothers and sister, while i wil no longer respond to this one below I will leave you a final statment. The words of Jesus will save us of condem us. Words "the one who believes and is baptised will be saved" "feed the hungry..cloth thee naked..minister to the sick..love one another as i have loved you.." He will also ask if you have accepted the ones he sent, the apostels and thire sucessores. "whoever doesn't eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood does not have life with
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 one can see how conditioned a roman catholic is, they believe that they for some unknown reason feel they or their church contains the only truth... its a cirular argument because catholic refuse to accept all evidence that pertains to specfic beliefs..
the catholic mass is such an example clearly catholic have believed a lie while the obvious stares them in the face.. they focus on one and not the other...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 and how are you talking to... are you some spokesman for the RCC... do you have some authority to speak to others on the behalf of your pope... are you a preist or a parrot of the RCC that simply repeats what you have been told... do catholics share answers around from one to another... hoping the next guy is smarter then the next....
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
the catholic mass is a false doctrine what more can be said then that.... dont believe me.... ask and you will receive...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes." - St Ignatious 88 A.D direct successore of the apostle Peter, taught the faith by the apostles, ordained by the aposles need i say more..?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 catholics are blind to the truth even when they are given direct questions that reveal the lies of the catholic church catholics cant see obvious errors they have been conditioned to over look things that point to the true gospel message...
so what you are saying that water baptism doesnt save but the mass does instead....
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 I wonder why catholics look but cant see... i wonder if any catholic out there in catholic land can tell me does the catholic water baptism saves them... if so... what does it do and what effect does it have on the average catholic...
now add the catholic water baptism with say the catholic mass.... which saves you...
does anyone know or do catholics need to add more works to their salvation
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker You have been confronted and admonished now twice, and have refused to return to the true faith, and as such i must now stay away from you as the most belessed Paul has told me too.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 oh really... by who... admonished... that a big word... you should try harder... catholics are like parrots they repeat what they have been told... they have been told to accept certain view points and reject the rest.... the RCC has a mold that fits its perverted beliefs what truth is revealed they simply throw it away... funny about that..
catholics simply reject anything that confronts them... they get all religious... makes them look foolish
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
catholics are quick to defend the mass but do they actually know what goes on...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
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The mark of the beast is a heretical baptism (forehead) caused by the Masonic Vatican after 1944, or a Masonic handshake (right hand). Trent and Acts 19: if anyone says that John's baptism (Holy Spirit/Spiritus Sanctus) has the force of Christ's baptism (Holy Ghost/Spiritum Sanctum), let him be anathema. The name switch causes a change in the character of that soul. This Sacramental character is the secret of the priesthood and is why Masonry had to destroy the Rite. FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
fatimamovement 11 months ago
@gtepp - the hole church has become corupt... the RCC relies on its church fathers for instruction... each church father used his authority to feather his own position the church has had numerious corupt leaders over the years...
what one church leader adds the next one rejects...
somthing that has tarnished the church wouldnt you say..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The LORDs day(suday)way practised and believed in the bible. Infant baptism was practised in the bible as whole households were baptised. Forgivness of sins is clearly given by Jesus to the apostels. Binding and loosing and the keys to the kingdom were given in the bible to the apostels this would be prime authority.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 water baptism happened after they accepted Jesus they were allready born again.. dont you know that... yikes... this is basic.... a sinner cant be baptised in water first... the authority was give to all believers...only God can forgive sin.. no man can know the heart of man no man can read a mans mind...its foolish to believe a man can forgive anothers sin....
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Baptism is being born again, all early church fathers agree, can you find me one person b4 1500 that thinks as you do on this topic? Im waiting..... So was the church for 1500 years incrrect, or is the man made beliefe that spring up from the year 1500 incorrect?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 i t is true that by some of the fathers of the Christian church a few of these books have been quoted as canonical, but they were not looked on in this light; nor were their titles included in any list of canonical writings during the first four centuries after the birth of our Lord. until the Council of Trent, in 1545, that they were definitely declared to be an integral portion of Holy Scripture church. "Philo," says Angus, "never quotes them as he does the sacred Scriptures..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The Council of hippo in the 4th century makes these books canonical. Why do you think both the Catholics in the west and the Orthodox in the east have all 7 books? They split in 1054! Therfore your outrages claims of 1545 are nol and void! Just ask the Orthodox!
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 so tell me which catholic fathers rejected the 7 books... give me their names...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker None rejected the books that are a church father. Some might have initally questioned them, but in the end it was decided on in council and everyone agreed. Thomas questioned whether it was truely the LORD that had risen, but in the end he agreed with the truth. All of the "apostelic fathers", that we have writtings from, Clement, Ignatious, and Polycarp use the 7 books. All three of these men were ordained and taught by the apostels themselves, and Clement is mentioned...
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 The most influential benefactor of the Apocrypha was Augustine (354-420 A.D.), the "Father of corrupt theology." He influenced the Councils of Hippo (393 A.D.) and Carthage (397 A.D.) to declare the Apocrypha canonical. the Apocrypha were more favoured by the Western (Latin) Church Fathers
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker in the bible as a co-worker who's name is in the book of life. If Clements name is in the book of life, should we not listen to him? He tells us that the apostels left sucessores, choosing in the perfect forknowledge of Christ thoes who would succeed them.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 so it would seem that not all people were so eager to accept the apocrypha Jerome (340-420 A.D.) reluctantly inserted Judith, Tobit, the Additions to Esther, and the Additions to Daniel into his Latin Vulgate after some "friendly" pressure. The rest of the apocryphal books were added to the Vulgate after his demise.
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "whatever sins YOU forgive are forgive whatever sins YOU retain are ratianed" - Clearly Jesus gives the power to forgive and retain sins to the apostels
gtepp031387 11 months ago
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@gtepp031387 how are you saved? That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The bible is not a complete and exhostive text. Paul for all we know did know these things and taught them to others, it is impossible to say as we do not have all of his writtings. It is you who rely on the bible alone that was put together and decided on by the Catholic church in the late 4th century, that follows a man made tradition. The Apostles were clearly given the authority to bind and loose and hold the prime authority, they passed there authority on to other
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 the bible clearly states that it contains all we need to know to come to God... it is the power of salvation.... again the RCC didnt choose the books by their own authority... the early churches were allready useing the letters of paul... the bible is very clear on this point....
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Where does the bible state that it alone can save?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household” (Acts 16:30,31).
By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain (1 Cor 15:2).
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Ok believing is one part..but that one verse doen't throw these out "Unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you do not have life within you." John 6:53 "The one who believes AND it baptized will bge saved" Mark 16:16 "Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him,..Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 excuse me. but without faith and belief you arnt saved...anyone can do the right things but that doesnt make you christian...first thing....if you were born again like you say you have allready accepted God in your life and that God now lives within you.... surly you understand this...may be you dont... because when you become a christian you have eternal life now... you have received Gods spiritual life with in you now.... you sound like you are still spiritually dead..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 do you know the moment you receive Jesus into your life you are transformed from death to life... do you not know that you have the new life....you have the gift of salvation now....so tell me what does eating of the mass do for you.... you can only receive salvation once you say you receive salvation more then once....
you have a problem
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I will not be saved untill I sit before the throne of Judgement as is written. "all the dead shall be judged by there works" I eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man so I may have life within my as Jesus told me too. I do it becaues i love him and believe in him. I know that thoes who believe in Jesus keep his commandments. Like being baptised, listening and accepting the teachings of the apostels, eating the flesh, drinking the blood. Giving food to the hungry,
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 You fail to understand the most basic teaching....I'm not surprised by your confusion...if you have accepted jesus you have allready been transformed by God from death to life... Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. - if you are a christian you have eternal life now.... if you say you dont then you havent accepted jesus
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker So then what Jesus said won't come true, you won't stand before the thrown of Judgement? How do I know if you have been truely bin sanctifed, not only in outword appearance, but in the heart as well? Only Jesus knows and he will sort it all out in the end. There is one judge, and it is not me. I'll let Jesus decide in the end as it is written, and work out my salvation with fear and trembling as Paul told me too
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 wow you really are mixed up.... all christians are judged .,not for rejecting jesus but rather having their works judged.... now do you get it....sanctification is the process of becoming more like christ in our daily walk with Jesus....the process of sanctification is fullfilled when we meet jesus and not before... if you believe you have to be sanctified before you get to heaven you are majorly mistaken...
the church hasnt given you the proper teaching on this... thats clear
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The church has allways given the proper teaching. The path to heaven is so very narrow and how few shall find it! There are some sins that shall not be forgiven, they are deadly! You wish to be forgiven, repent and bear fruit of your repentance! You think heaven is like a cake walk, it isn't! Who taught you this? You are on the path the devil has put you upon! If you right eye caues you to sin, do not simple say im forgiven no pluck it out and throw it into the fire!
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 jesus never taught the things that the RCC teaches today...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker If your right arm caues you to sin cut it off and throw it in to the fire! Do not simple presume becaues you are a child of Jesus that you will make heaven, amen i say to Jesus could raise a children from the stones! The the path to heaven is narrow! How few shall find it! The path that leads to destruction is wide and oh how many will walk down it! Repent and bear fruit! Every tree that does not bear fruit will be cut down and thrown in the fire!
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker In the end Jesus knows the heart, he will judge us, there is one who judges. Nothing unclean will enter heaven, so yes one must be sactified before we enter! You may think you are sancitified, and think you have eternal life, but untill before you stand before the throw of judgement you shall have niether. Remember the one who believes in Jesus keeps his commandments, In your understanding of born again being all saving and not just a part of salvation, if you have sined...
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 the bible clearly states that when a sinner repents they are born again they receive Gods spirit with in them... What do you think this is, but salvation... new spiritual life... dont you know that christians are sealed with the holy spirit as a sign that we have receieved Gods spirit within us...you reject the obvious...
a sinner .........> recieves new life..........> has salvation........its simple
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "Children, let no one deceive you. The person who acts in righteousness is righteous, just as he is righteous." (1 John 3:7)
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker you have bin born again..then you have not been born agin, for who sins doesn't know GOD. No one who knows GOD sins, they can't sin becaues GODs seed remain in them. God can not abide in sin, so when you sin GOD must leave you. Then you must repent and bear fruit of your repentance. Being born again you recieve grace, but then as you remain in grace you recieve grace for grace, remaining in GOD grace you become sanctified and achieve salvation through sanctification
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 you really are confused.... all believers sin.... daily this doesnt mean that they dont know God or that they havnt received Jesus...the bible talks about repentance and Gods restoration.... if you believe you cant go to heaven until your sanctified then you will be waiting a very long time on earth...
the RCC has a warped view of sanctification its worth looking in to
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Satan you lie and speak word for word against the holy word of GOD "Whosoever abideth in him, sinneth not; and whosoever sinneth, hath not seen him, nor known him"( 1 John 3:6) and again "Whosoever is born of God, commmitteth not sin: for his seed abideth in him, and he can not sin, because he is born of God."(1 John 3:9) Be gone Satan suggest to me no more of these vain things the cup tho confess to me is evil, tho drink thy poisen!
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 What on eaarth are you talking about... are you saying i am not a christian because i sin...are you saying that you a) dont sin or b) arnt born again in this life time.. You should read about paul... he claims that he is the chief of sinners...
Galatians 5:17
5:17 For the flesh has desires that are opposed to the Spirit, and the Spirit has desires that are opposed to the flesh, for these are in opposition to each other, so that you cannot do what you want.
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 christians struggle against the desires of the flesh every day....that doesnt mean they dont know God... jesus's blood washes away our sin.
.Rom8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the life-giving Spirit in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death
YOU should read Philippians 3:12-14: it will help you alot...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 did i answer this one or not...the bible states that believers sin.... the bible also states that a believer can be restored... so if i were you i would look at all the scriptures...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 how is it that catholics can be close to the truth of the gospel but be so far away from it...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Your statment about the gospel is silly, do you even know who you got your bible? The bible is a Catholic book. We complied it, cannoized it, decided what was to be in it and what was not, and you think that we don't agree with it? You should learn where you got your bible from, and by what authority it was put together. Why do you trust it so? Is it becaues it is the word of GOD? Even the mormons whould say that! I tell you if the gospel was not being preached to me through
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 oh boy this is a lame reply... there were no catholics in the time of Jesus, there where no catholic churches in the time of jesus...mary wasnt roman catholic... non of the disciples were catholic... there were no catholic preists...the first believers that walked and talked with jesus wernt catholic.... they wouldnt of even heard of the name catholic...
you should check your facts... it doesnt make you look good at all...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 the teachings of Jesus was accepted the letters of paul were accepted as scripture.. did they have to wait for the RCC ..no way... did the jews need the aproval of the RCC for their scriptures.. of course not...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "Wherever Jesus is there is the Catholic church" and "Whoever opposes the bishop does in reality serve the devil" - St Ignatious 88 A.D. ...Humm who to trust one who knew the apostels, was ordained and taught by them face to face, or you 2,000 years later......humm tough decision...hummm...yea I'll take the word of thoes who knew the apsotles and where taught by them face to face thank you
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 actually if you read the verse properly it doesnt mention the catholic church... why have you miss quoted the scriptures.... You have just lied about what the verse states.... the first apostles could be trusted sure but after that you can see how the RCC rose up and started to twist the true gospel message...the RCc would state that what these men taught were truth... this is where the RCc deviated from the truth to follow its own perverted truths...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I didn't give you a scripture verse I gave you Ignatious of Antioch in 88 A.D.The direct successore of Peter who said "wherever Jesus is there is the Catholic church"
gtepp031387 11 months ago
if the bible was truly catholic then why doesnt it contain anything from the RCC teachings... there is no assumption of mary, there is no sacred heart of mary, there is no praying to jesus through mary.. mary cant save people in purgatory,... mary isnt called the queen of heaven.... there is no purgatory...no rosary.... no waffer worship...
there is nothing roman catholic about Gods word havnt you discovered this yet....
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Heres another truth given to us by St Ignatious "They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes."
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 oh really ... you believe what he says... this is one of those lies which is planly seen.. the last supper is a memorial and not sum mystical time where Jesus comes down and where the waffer becomes the real flesh and blood of jesus...
oh wait you believe that there is the real fleash and not the real blood of jesus so which is it...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker It is both the real blood and the real body, It is Jesus continuall sacrifice that lives and continues to save people thousands of years after he died. Let me ask you did Jesus just die for the people that were alive at the time he died, or did he die for thoes to come as well. So is Jesus sacrifice alive? Yes it is. And yes I will take St Ignatious over you any day of the week, mounth year even century!
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 Look to answer you question properly i would have to send a personal message as i need more space then these comment squares...oh boy.... you have been sold a lie... the RCC has given you a perverted gospel indeed...
the waffer isnt the real fesh or blood of jesus, it isnt a continual sacrifice... If you want to know the truth then message me.. and i will present the facts for you in a clear manner
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker And heres one by St Clement who was mentioned in the bible as a coworker whos name is in the book of life "Our apostels knew though our LORD Jesus Christ that there would be strife for the office of the bishop. For this reason, therfore, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed those who have already been mentioned and afterwards added the futer provisions that, if they should die, other appoved men should succeed to their ministy.” - St Clement 80 A.D.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 so lets put it in the spot light... why dont you tell us what you believe about the mass and what it does for you...is it the same sacrifice of jesus on the cross... do you believe that the sacrifice of jesus still continues... exactly what do you believe about the mass....
just for interest sake...are you game?
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Sure I'll answere any question you ask.Jesus gave us his body and blodd and he said this IS my blood thi IS my body and many wouldn't accept this and they walked away and followed him no more, tell me why did these people walk away and follow him no more if the body and blood was just symbolic?Do you think all they needed was a good old baptist minister there saying he doesn't really mean it it's just symbolic mabey then they wouldn't have walked away then huh just wondering?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
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@MrLoudmouthspeaker the church I could not accept it. Untill you can show me by what authority the bible was put together you will be a Mormon to me.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 the scriptures states in Gal. 5:16 But I say, live by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desires of the flesh....Rom13:14 Instead, put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh to arouse its desires.
You need to look at all the verses...2 Cor 7:1 (NET)
7:1 Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that could defile the body and the spirit, and thus accomplish holiness out of reverence for God.
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Yep the bible must be taken as a whole becaues we survive by every word that proceeds from the mouth of GOD. That would mean we need to be baptised, believe, love, hope, have faith, forfill the great comission, continue to perserver to the end, not sin, work out our salvation with fear and trembling. It means we must confess and repent of our sin or we will depart this life not in a state of grace. It means we also must rely on GODs mercy and forgive and be merciful ourselves
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 so you admit that the bible is to be taken as whole.. and that any doctrine must line up with the scriptures... thats good... for and tradtion that doesnt come from Gods WORD is surly false....
the rest of what you say here is actually correct are you roman catholic... because you dont sound like it
God states that he will forgive and forget.. God will remember our sins no more...total restortation
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 as i have said before all believers sin and mess up... that doesnt mean they arnt born again... when you accept Jesus have eternal life... the bible states that we should walk in the spirit because our flesh battles with spirtual truth...a daily walk... but we know that if we sin we can come to God.. and receive forgiveness... i have just repeated what said in a manner that all can understand...sanctification is a daily process...to become more like God
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Yes we can be forgiven if we "repent and bear fruit of our repentace" And while it is good to confess to GOD we must also "confess (our) sins to one another..so that (we) might be healed" Anyone who sins belongs to the devil, and none who sin know GOD, they can't sin becaues GODs seed remains in them, as written by John. And as you said we all sin after knowing GOD, for this reason the council of Trent wisley stated the sacrement of reconsilliation is nessesary for salvation.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 here you see the RCC inventing what God has allready put in place why is it that the RCc had to invent the sacrement of reconsillation... the bible tells us that we can go to one another for forgiveness so we build up one another in the body....
this is a perfect example of How the RCC has added and complicated Gods scriptures... thanks for showing everyone... dont you think people can read the bible and understand Gods word without this rediculious man made tradtion..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 you should realise that when you accept jesus you receive eternal life that very moment.... YOU cant accept Jesus and not be born again
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 oh boy,when you accept God - YOU receive eternal life the moment you accept God... you are transformed from death to life... You become the temple of God.... God lives with in you through the holy spirit...
How can you be a believer and not be transformed? how can you go to church and not have God live within you now.... when you die and stand before God then salvation is fullfilled..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker drink to the thirsty, mourning with the widow, clothing the naked, ministering to the sick, loving my brothers, praying together, confessing my sins to others, working out my salvation with fear and trembleing.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 most catholics believe that they only receive salvation or the eternal life when they stand before god... you cant be a believer and not be spiritually reborn...if God doesnt live within you - if you believe that you have new life through water baptism then you have received this new spiritual life
st augustine declared that he was born again through water baptism.. if this is true then he has allready been transformed from death to life...he has new life...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Not true, when you sin GOD leaves you becaues he can not abide in sin. Have you ever sined since being born again?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 wrong again... when you ask forgiveness... God totally forgives you - you are restored back to rightiousness....when God forgives you.. God forgets... you slate is wiped clean... you should know that... there is no after effects no lingering punishment that has to be dealt with....
dont you have God total forgiveness you should
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The earliest church fathers, Clement, Polycarp, and Ignatious.. use nearly all 7 books in there writtings. These were men who were taught by the apostels face to face.. yea I think I'll listen to them even over St Jerome, who eventually accepted all 7 books, and espeacially over your modern church that was founded by men some what 1700 years later
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 so how do you explain the obvious errors and false claims found in these 7 books... do you turn a blind eye to the obvious mistakes ...or havnt you found the errors yet... probably not... we could look at the errors in these 7 books as well...
you might learn something...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me" Mark 10:17-21 "every tree that does not bear fruit shall be cut down and thrown into the fire" Matthew 7:9 "Faith of itself, it not accompanied by works, it dead" James 2:17
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "If i have faith to move mountains but have not love i am nothing" 1 Corinthians 13:2 "But if any provideth not for his own, and specially his own household, he hath diowned the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever" 1 Timothy 5:8
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 thats right if you have been born again or received Gods spiritual life... you havnt been transformed by God... you are just pretending to be christian many people are only religious.. they go through the motions, they repeat this prayer, they kneel when their supposed to, they sing when they are supposed to...
they follow the priest...ect but they arnt saved...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,
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and all the nations 15 will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
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He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
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Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 believers arnt judged for not believeing in jesus unlike unbelievers rather christians are judged by what they do... what are the motives that they do their ministry in church... true works will be t ested by fire and stand false works will be lost though first - the christian is still saved
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Faith hope and love are needed, but greater then faith LOVE is. If i have faith to move mountain but have not love i am nothing. Faith of itself, if not accompanied by works, is dead. Can this faith save you?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 You should know that true repentance and conversion comes good works, without having faith and belief as your foundation then love and good works come from... thats what living faith is= accepting God, receiving God into your life..being born again ..spiritual rebirth...
it not hard to work out - the RCC just complicates it..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Faith is one of the three foundations. Image it's a three legged chair. You have faith, love, and hope. If you take love away...well your not in the chair anymore. The same with faith and hope.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 the RCc is more focused on good works, chasing graces, following tradtions of man... this equal man made religion and not the gospel of Jesus there is a big difference... anyone can be religious...
dead faith means no spiritual re birth they are still carnal.... thats obvious
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 just because a priest puts on his robes ect doesnt make him any better then the sinner that repents and accepts God..the RCc likes its fan fare, its parades with people carrying statues of mary... but this rubbish wont saved you..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I never said a priest is better than anyone else, he just has authority that others do not. In fact the priest will be jugded on a much stricter level as Jesus says.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker from the foundation of the world.
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For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,
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naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'
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Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
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When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'
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And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'
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gtepp031387 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
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For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
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a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'
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He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'
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And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 these are the good works that we were made for... good works come from spiritual life from God....anyone can do good works... even a sinner can do good works by the worlds standards... a religious person can do good works now and receive their reward now....
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker These are the things Jesus will ask you when he sees you have you done them?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 do you do these things because you have to? do you do these works because they will get you into heaven? what is the motive for you doing these 'works" do you do them to earn points... i wonder...
good works we are made to do... they should come natuarlly without effort... i dont brag or boast about what i do.. one shouldnt rely on works to get you in....the more works i have the more safer i am to go to heaven...
salvation isnt based on works alone
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Salvation is by grace, but we recieve "grace for grace"(John 1:16) By remaining in GODs grace we recieve greater grace, but only by the grace we first recieved. Following this process we eventually achieve "salvation through sanctification" (2 Thessalonians 2:13)
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 you should know that the moment you receive Jesus the sinner is forgive, he is declared rightious free from guilt...yes salvation is free.... you are totally wrong on this.... we have new life now... not later...if you believe that you only receive gods knew spiritual life when you stand before God you have missed the point totally.... our life is a process of sanctification...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Whoever sins does not know GOD! He can't sin becaues GODs seed is in him! Repent and bear fruit of your repentance! Work out your salvation with fear and trembling! Fear the LORD your GOD, and teach your cildren the fear of the LORD! Fear the one who can destroy both body and soul! Repent and bear fruit of your repentance! Go and sin no more lest a worse thing happen!
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 so whats your point... all believers should know this stuff
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 the only problem is that pagan beliefs also stated that new life was received through water baptism
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 oh come on this is most basic teaching.... try reading the bible for a change...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "This IS my body, this IS my blood...whoever doesn't eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood does not have life with in him" - our LORD Jesus.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 oh boy polly want a cracker.... lets take a minute and think for your self.... i know catholics cant think for them selves and that they must rely on their church fathers for everything... so lets test the church...
how does infant baptism save a baby.... can salvation be given in proxy to the baby by their parents, if so what happens to the baby say until they become 16... is the teen ager covered by their infant baptism or do they make their own choice to accept God...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 if you are unsure why make such a dumb statement like this.....
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The question was from James Chapter 2, it wasn't my statment...did you just call the James dumb?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker who decided on your bible. If you say they had no authority, then why follow a bible they put together? How could the scripture be infallible if fallen teachers put it together? How could the united christian church be wrong in ecumentical council?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Why follow the Catholic book the bible if you think they were corupt? If the decisions of the the ecumentical councils were flawed then the bible is flawed as well.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 you keep hanging onto the idea that the RCC by its own man made authority defined the books of the bible..who were the bishops that did this supposed thing and what letters were allready bwing used by the early churches before the church councils met
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The church does teach what Jesus taught. Jesus told us if we believed in him we would accept and believe the words of those he sent, the apostels. The apostels set up a phisyical church with a hiearchy. Why do yo protest the apostel?.... Oh i know why "Whoever oppsess the bishop does in reality serve the devil" - St Ignatious around 100 A.D. Ordained by Saint Peter, given apostelic authority, the office and ministry of the apostels, Maryter for the faith, one of the babys
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 the RCC invented infant baptism, the catholic mass, the asumption of mary, pennace, purgatory.. ect ..ect... Jesus never taught these things...early church fathers rejected what the church taught later... funny about that..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Actually many many books were in use in ealry churches. In fact there were over 100 different gospels up for nomination.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 The first and most important work of the apostles was to deliver a personal testimony to the chief facts of the Gospel history (Mark 16:15; Acts 1:21,22). Their teaching was at first oral, and it was no part of their intention to create a permanent literature. A cycle of selected representative facts sufficed to form the groundwork of their oral Gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-10).
But in the course of time many endeavored to commit to writing this oral Gospel (Luke 1:1-4).
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The Catholic church put the bible together. How do you think all those books came together? Do you think it just fell like that from the sky?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 At the time of the formation of the New Testament canon twenty out of the twenty-seven books were readily and universally accepted as genuine, and therefore called "Homologoumena" (i.e. acknowledged). These twenty books were the four Gospels, the Acts, the epistles of Paul (except that to the Hebrews), and the first epistles of John and Peter. The other seven books--Hebrews, 2 and 3 John, 2 Peter, Jude, James, Revelation
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Purgatory, pennance,infant baptism, the mass are all scriptural. In fact the mass is 99 percent scripture. The assumtion of Mary is a logical conculsion and a divine revalation.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 logical conclusion... so 1+1= mary's assumption... who saw it happen? where is the evidence?
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker And i rely on the apostesl just as jesus asked Yes. Well you rely on a church that was invented by men in what like the 1600s i think you got it backwars. Satan has really don a number on you. We can look at the ealiest church fathers that were taught face to face by the apostesl and prove every other church wrong.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Jesus blesses in Matthew, studied under John the apostel and Peter. Yeah i think I'll take the word of one who knew the apostels and was taught by them face to face. Why do you reject the apostelic sucessore Ignatious? Why have you thrown out the decisions of the apostels? If you can't accept what the apostels did then you niether do you accept nor believe in Jesus.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp why is it that catholic believe they can trace them selves back to jesus.... there was no roman catholic church present when Jesus walked the earth and mary was infact jewish.... and not catholic... there were no rosarys, no statues to kiss or bow down to...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Man you are lost.. Your just being silly Ignatious was given all authority of an apostel.. Image if you will you walk into Ephisus in 150 A.D. There is a group of christian that follow a teacher called Arias he believes that Jesus was just a great teacher but he has been imparted with greater knowleged. There is another group over there they believe that Jesus never came in the flesh becaues that is blasphimy they have so and so as there teacher. There is a third group over
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 - In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship / adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture..
where did these things come from
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker there they meet in a local synoguage and worship on sundays becaues thats the day they say Jesus rose from the dead! They have a bishop as there teacher, they call themselves the universal(Catholic) church of Christ becaues they believe the same things throught the world, and were sent by the apostels. They have a bishop as there teacher who ordained by a man named Timothy who was sent by what they call an apostel Paul. Which group are you going to go to?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 Many of us are also aware that the Vatican changed the 7th day Sabbath to Sunday as well. That is the main issue I would like to illustrate on this page. The prophecy of Daniel is 100% accurate on this point without a doubt!
The Catholic Church,... by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.
" The Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker The Catholics traces there roots to the apostels, who left sucessores to take over there ministry and office, they called these sucessores Bishops. Every bishop in the Catholic church can trace his line of sucession back to the apostels.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 you forget that what the church teaches isnt what Jesus taught... thats the point....where did these catholic fathers come up with their false doctrines... as it wasnt from Jesus who was it from. as the apostle paul didnt know about this stuff... again, where is this mentioned ..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker If you study the earliest Christian writtings and not just skip 1500 years forwords you will see where all the formentioned things come from, but you protestants are unstudies this is the reason you are protestants. When you becaome knowledgeble you will become a Catholic, or you will be the seed of the devil that is allways trying to attack mother church.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 oh really so you are going to tell me that the very first believers had been given the exact same teachings as what the first catholic fathers did.... now who is telling porkies...when did the first catholic church appear...
Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. --1 Tim 4:15-16 NIV
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
a church without God becomes a social club.. it exsists to tickle the ears of people. they refuse to accept sound teachings and doctrine..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 11 months ago
Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness," Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
Therefore, we are made right with God by faith, not by faith and our works; hence, faith alone.
canalzonebratt90 11 months ago
@canalzonebratt90 "See how a person is justified by works and not by alone" James 2:24 "To them that are under the law, as if I were under the law, (whereas myself was not under the law,) that I might gain them that were under the law. To them that were without the law, as if I were without the law, (whereas I was not without the law of God, but was in the law of Christ,) that I might gain them that were without the law. "
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@canalzonebratt90 1 Corinthians 9:21 "Faith of itself, if not accomanied by works is dead" James 2:17 "If i have faith to move mountains but have not love than i am nothing" 1 Corinthians 13:2 My dear friend the bible is a Catholic book we gave the world the bible. Faith alone = Nothing and dead. Paul sees two laws one he is free of and one he is under do you understand that verse?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@canalzonebratt90 what about this one "unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you do not have life with in you" John 6:53 What about this one "every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire" Matthew 7:19 Do you really believe Paul is contridicting the LORD? Paul is saying not by works of the LAW which law tho as he sees two laws surley not the divine law talked about in James? Which on then could it be the mossaci LAW?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@canalzonebratt90 Truley anyone who poiints to one verse or even 20 or 30 verses and says this is all you need is lost as it is written "man does not survive by bread alone but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD" Matthew 4:4
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@canalzonebratt90 “Just as a body without a spirit is dead(let me ask you is a dead body still a body, does it still exist? If you don't know walk into any morgue and see) so also is faith without works dead” (James 2:26) So if a dead body is still a body, as the most infallible scripture states that faith without works is “JUST AS a body without a spirit”, then faith tho dead is still faith. Does it not still exist like the body?
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@canalzonebratt90 heres another one that protest(GODs church)ants dont follow "Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever" 1 Timothy 5:8
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@canalzonebratt90 and yet another "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man" 1 Timothy 2:12 and another "women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says" 1 Corinthians 14:34. So what is Pauls reason oh yea becaues the LAW SAYS surley if he didn't believe he was under a law he would not say this now would he.
gtepp031387 11 months ago