Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.....they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism!!
God's election is Christocentric. It isn't difficult. Jesus is the Chosen one and just as we are sons of God by virtue of our union with the Son of God, we are chosen by virtue of our union with the Chosen one.
@CBALLEN This is a clear text telling us what it WOULD HAVE taken to save S&G,and so it is that God knows exactly what it will take to turn everyone's heart,but He only chooses to turn the hearts of the elect."
On the contrary, Jesus is pointing out how CALLOUS & Obstinant the Jews were in comparison to the sinners of S&G..
God is NOT a respector of persons, He doesn't create some to be unelect to burn forever, neither does He create some inevitably to be Elect to inherit Eternal Life.
@CBALLEN... "How do you defend middle knowledge since there is NO middle knowledge according to God?"
You're lack of understanding can be explained by 1 Cor.2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."
A perfect example of Middle Knowledge is found in 1 Sam.23:10-13
@apollos6640 So believing God can learn is spiritual? Believing God is ignorant is a Holy thing?No,the natural person can't come to CHRIST,God must regenerate anyone before they are able to believe.
@apollos6640 In Matthew 11:23 Jesus is talking and rebuking various people for their unbelief, and He says, “For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.”
This is a clear text telling us what it would have taken to save S&G,and so it is that God knows exactly what it will take to turn everyone's heart,but He only chooses to turn the hearts of the elect.We are told what could have been,but wasn't.
@CBALLEN What a fallacious & incoherent statement! If "Free Will" doesn't exist PERIOD for anyone, then why ask God to "remove" it? In other words, it DOES exist for all of mankind, but YOU "prayed" to walk the Earth without it, a drone/robot/puppet tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes... you're blind CBALLEN, & you're destined to fall into a pit lest you start glorifying His HOLINESS! His name is HOLY
@apollos6640 Now,how do you defend middle knowledge since there is NO middle knowledge according to God?BTW,middle knowledge is open theism,it still means that God must learn something that He didn't know before hand.
It's our so called "free will" that gets us in trouble and can do nothing but cause us to sin,when God saved me the first thing I asked for was to remove my "free will' and replace it with God's will,little did I know at the time,that that is exactly what God was doing all along"
Why would you ask God to "remove" your "Free Will" when you teach that it DOESN'T EXIST!?
@apollos6640 Look,I said"free will",of course I know we all have wills,but none are "free wills",they are slaves to SIn and God replaces or removes our slave status by changing our wills to be conformed to be more like Jesus.This is called sanctification,it goes on until death then we are glorified,now do you see?
@JackMWolfe.."The first thing I asked God for, was to remove my free will"
Huh? What a fallacious & incoherent statement!
If "Free Will" doesn't exist PERIOD for anyone, then why ask God to "remove" it? In other words, it DOES exist for all of mankind, but CBALLEN has "prayed" to walk the Earth without it, a drone/robot/puppet tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes...
As you've demonstrated, Calvinists refute themselves - all that's needed is to point it out & expose what they say to the light of God's word & to a simple reality check. Isa63:17 was shown to be ripped out of context - God hardened their hearts as a judgment for rebellion, Isa57:15 says NONE of the things you tried to dump into it, & saying free will doesn't exist but we should ask God to remove it because it causes us to sin is absurd babbling!
@JackMWolfe You're a fraud,liar,and a heretic.You don't understand scripture at all,even Apollyon knew that Isiah said God inhabits eternity,so scram varmint.
@CBALLEN 1st, your manipulation of Isa63:17 by ripping it out of context & the fact you've been confronted about it before on other videos but did it again here confirms YOU'RE the fraud, the liar & heretic. 2nd, you're also guilty of blaspheming the Holy Spirit by declaring that those who say Christ died for all people are speaking by a demon. 3rd, you're a coward who refuses to stand forth & agree for judgment to fall on the REAL imposter & liar here according to Heb10:30 - you KNOW it's you!
@apollos6640 Since God inhabits eternity,it means He inhabits the future,so He knows the whole future until the end of time and beyond.This being true means,there are no alternative ,possible eternities,since He has given us definite prophecy of our future,and beyond, since God lives in future ,He knows all the future sheep and the goats already for sure.However God also inhabits the past,meaning ,He knew all the sheep and goats before time,so either way,both of you are wrong.
Indeed God Inhabits Eternity, & His Name is HOLY. God CANNOT LIE, God places His HOLINESS above His SOVEREIGNTY. He does WHATEVER He pleases WITHOUT violating His Attributes of HOLINESS...
But your calvinism makes Him out be be Cruel, Malicious & Unjust..
He commands man to Obey, but then Decreeds the precise OPPOSITE
@apollos CBALLEN isn't only refuted when the entire chapter or verse he cites is examined, but even by his own testimony - after emphatically denying that man has free will but that God ordains everything he then says "it's free will that gets us in trouble & can do nothing but cause us to sin, when God saved me the 1st thing I asked for was to remove my free will" So free will causes sin & we should pray for God to remove it although it doesn't exist! Calvinism is like getting brain cancer.
@apollos6640" .It's our so called "free will" that gets us in trouble and can do nothing but cause us to sin,when God saved me the first thing I asked for was to remove my "free will' and replace it with God's will"
Here's what I actually wrote.I was Arminian in my thinking then,that's why I put "Free will" in parentheses.You 2 twist comments just like you do scripture.
@CBALLEN "You twist comments just like you do scripture"
1st, nobody needs to twist what you say, it's already twisted into a pretzel - all that's required is to expose it & to untwist the verses you rip from the bible trying to support such lunacy. 2nd, "God inhabits eternity" doesn’t even REMOTELY say all things are predetermined or God selects certain people & forces them to be saved while denying salvation to others! All you've shown is the massive reality break that Calvinism involves!
@CBALLEN, JackMWolfe, fractalfires, myself & many others have refuted you time & time again... now, are you telling me you're LYING was Decreed by God as well?
CBALLEN you're a Goat, a willfull slave to the devil & are nothing more than an imposter to christianity... you try and refute your Fatalistic ideas by giving credit to God, but only advocate what I've written.
What a foolish way to end ones life-- calvinism is a chasing after the wind... I believe in MIDDLE KNOWLEDGE remember? Grow up
@apollos6640 Roman Catholicism and open theism combined makes for confused heretics don't it now?.It's our so called "free will" that gets us in trouble and can do nothing but cause us to sin,when God saved me the first thing I asked for was to remove my "free will' and replace it with God's will,little did I know at the time,that that is exactly what God was doing all along.Just admit it,you hate God because He's sovereign and you can't do anything about it.
@apollos6640 "YES, Everythings FATED to happen the way it happens via the guile of calvinisms "SOVEREIGNTY" of God."
No,God has determined the steps of every person from cradle to grave and some He has appointed to eternal life and it's only these who will ever believe,that's straight up scripture Apollyon,only the APPOINTED,CHOSEN,ELECT,ORDAINED,CALL OUT ONES,ECT. will ever see Heaven.It's God's choice,not the will of man.What part of NOT THE WILL OF MAN don't you understand?
@CBALLEN Your Reformed Gnostic god is the one behind every EVIL, WICKED deed, he's the Originator/Prime Mover/Primary Cause/Ultimate Cause/Author/Father/ Orchastrator & Creator of ALL MORAL EVIL,... yes, HE brings EVIL into EXISTANCE, THEN this EVIL is SOVEREIGNLY IMPOSED & DECREED on mankind so to BURN them FOREVER for "His Glory"
Your god is CRUEL, UNJUST, & MALICIOUS! He creates men INVOLUNTARILY EVIL from the Womb, commands him to OBEY, then DECREEDS the precise OPPOSITE to BURN him forever
Which came first.? God's substance ( His Spirit ) or His Virtues ?, ( love, truth, mercy, goodness,etc. ) They are simultaneous of course. God is His substance and His Virtue in self existing life. If God suspends His Spirit He suspends His life,If He suspends His Virtue of love, holiness or attibute of power He suspends His self existence. God cannot have a power or knowledge working aganist His own. His Nature would be suspended in the process. God is at perfect rest to His self existing Life
@wilberteric "I care less where his doctorate is from. I enjoy him for what he represents"
He represents the worst of counterfeit Christianity - Sproul is an apostate who couldn't exegete his way out of wet parchment & even his claim to be a Christian is blasphemy. He promotes a false gospel (Repent, for Christ MIGHT have died for you) which is condemned by Gal1:7-9 & accuses God of creating helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell - pure heresy.
@JackMWolfe... he mentioned Jn1:12 & gave a DISTORTED man-made, Reformed-Centered interpretation.. I called him out on it to ANSWER my question-- he then started jumping from Proof-text to proof-text with a pogo stick being very creful not to hit any LANDMINDS in trying to avoid the question.. I've now asked him like 5x and he REFUSES to give me an asnwer for JOHN 1:12!!
@apollos Been there & done that with this apostate. As I said, he evaded Lk7:30 for over 3 weeks by complete silence then finally tried to use the pathetic "secret will of God" nonsense, was almost laughed off YouTube, then later tried to deny he used the argument & called me a liar when I later mentioned it. Calvinism is directly contradicted by the bible - those who persist & refuse to repent of it become liars, manipulators, blasphemers, & false accusers. God gives them up to the darkness.
@CBALLEN you haven't answered my question, instead you AVOID & EVADE the issue according to John 1:12
But to as many as did RECEIVE Him, He GAVE the AUTHORITY to BECOME the children of God, that is, to those who believe in His name... who owe their birth to God."
WHEN were they given the AUTHORITY/POWER/PRIVILEDGE to "BECOME the Children of God"? BEFORE or AFTER they "Received" him?
@apollos "you haven't answered my question, instead you AVOID & EVADE the issue"
Evasion is all he has - he once dodged Lk7:30 for 3 solid weeks, & I mean complete SILENCE. And as you just saw, when his distorted prooftexts are refuted such as Rom9:16, Eph1:1-14, & Isa55:11 - he completely ignores it, just continues chanting his Calvinist mantras, & will later even deny that these verses were ever answered. It's a pattern of deception that ALL Calvinists employ - they run from the truth.
JN.10:26 But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 [d]My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are [e]one.”
Jesus knows all His sheep,even those not born yet,they are given to Him by the Father and none r lost.
@CBALLEN you haven't answered my question, instead you PROOF-texted your way to another passage...
John 1:12 But to as many as did RECEIVE Him, He GAVE the AUTHORITY to BECOME the children of God, that is, to those who believe in His name... who owe their birth to God."
WHEN were they given the AUTHORITY/POWER/PRIVILEDGE to "BECOME the Children of God"? BEFORE or AFTER they "Received" him?
@apollos6640 God has chosen all His own before time,for His good purpose,so God has always known His own before time began and when the Gospel calls,they will come and be saved.You can't deny it unless you twist scripture.
@CBALLEN can you please answer the question instead of indirectly insulting me!
John 1:12 But to as many as did RECEIVE Him, He GAVE the AUTHORITY to BECOME the children of God, that is, to those who believe in His name... who owe their birth to God."
WHEN were they given the AUTHORITY/POWER/PRIVILEDGE to "BECOME the Children of God"? BEFORE or AFTER they "Received" him?
@apollos6640 "WHEN were they given the AUTHORITY/POWER/PRIVILEDGE to "BECOME the Children of God"? BEFORE or AFTER they "Received" him?"
When God made them Born Again,however it was settled in Heaven who He would make BORN AGAIN,Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
@CBALLEN. Eph.1:4 "chose US in Him...that we should be holy"
The "US" Is not you or any other Calvinist--
In order that we, who were FIRST to hope IN CHRIST, might be for the praise of His glory." The FIRST to hope were JEWS (Acts 2-3). Then in v13 he shifts his audience to the Gentiles "And you ALSO were included IN Christ WHEN you HEARD the Gospel of your salvation. Having BELIEVED, you were marked IN HIM with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit." The GOSPEL saves people, NOT predestination.
@apollos6640 The US is all believers who will ever live.God certainly knows all His sheep and has known and loved them all before time began,He also knew all the goats.
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee [4] of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, [5] to the praise of his glory.
Notice also,the Holy Spirit is a guarantee of our Heavenly inheritance.
@CBALLEN "Notice also,the Holy Spirit is a guarantee of our Heavenly inheritance."
Notice also that verses such as Rom11:20-22 give the REST of the story "... do not become proud & conceited, but rather stand in awe & be reverently afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches neither will He spare you...note & appreciate the gracious kindness to you - PROVIDED YOU CONTINUE in His grace & abide in His kindness; OTHERWISE YOU TOO WILL BE CUT OFF." You're prooftexting - AGAIN!
But to as many as did RECEIVE Him, He GAVE the AUTHORITY to BECOME the children of God, that is, to those who believe in His name...who owe their birth to God."
WHEN were they given the AUTHORITY/POWER/PRIVILEDGE to "BECOME the Children of God"? BEFORE or AFTER they "Received" him?
@CBALLEN "How many times must the Bible say that salvation is not by the choice or will of man before it is counted true in your mind"
How many times must prooftexts such as Rom9:16 be untwisted before you repent of your blasphemous deceptions? Salvation ORIGINATES with God's will, not man's - but it ENDS with it as each person makes their decision to either accept or reject God's call to repent. YOU faced that same decision concerning your heresies, but hardened yourself beyond remedy.
@CBALLEN so in this "Big Picture" of yours ... God creates People specifically for Hell "Before having done anything either good or bad"... how do you correleate it w/ verses such as "God is Love"... please explain in detail how its "Loving" of God To create the vast majority of humans "in His image" FOR DAMNATION "BEFORE HAVING DONE ANYTHING either good or bad"? Thanks
...Like Bees Programmed by God to make Honey, Because of Adams Fall, GOD purposely creates ALL people DEAD in the WOMB, Programmed to Sin & Only Sin lacking ALL ABILITY to repent or Beg for Mercy, the VAST MAJORITY specifically Hated by Him & Fashioned as 'GOATS' for the Lake of Fire "BEFORE having done anything either good or bad", HATED Daily, while simultaneously saving His ELECT few outside ANY human condition--to make known His riches on them.
@apollos6640 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— now this tells how all who received Him received Him13 children born not of natural descent, nor of (human decision) or a husband’s will, but born of God.
This is clear as day,it was not any decision on man's part that caused their salvation,it was God making them born again that caused belief.
@apollos6640 Funny,Jesus said only a few would be saved.Do you understand that salvation is NOT by the choice or decision or by the will of man or a Husband's will,but born of God alone,God decided
@CBALLEN if you answer "No, he's only commanding His Elect to Repent"
Then why did Jesus say to preach the Gospel to "EVERY CREATURE"?
If you answer "Yes, He command All people every, no exceptions, to repent."
They WHY is He commanding people who were specifiacally PREDESTINED & FASHIONED for the Lake of Fire, 'before having done anything either good or bad', whom Jesus DIDN'T DIE FOR, to repent?
@CBALLEN you never answered my question, instead you insulted me and elevated yourself as some how Knowing the "Truth"as if I were the one guilty of misrepresenting God.
You're the one w/ contradictions in your theology, shouldnt you be wise enough to reconsider these doctrines over over-looking them, being ignorant and chastising and condemning those who disagree with you?
Don't confuse yourself w/me not believing CALVINISM over the WORD of GOD. No they're NOT one in the same.
@CBALLEN "Now,for you to teach or believe anything else means you are in error"
Imagine if Charles Darwin made the same claim, or Richard Dawkins, or Joseph Smith, Or Charles Taze Russel... what make YOU any different? You're just preaching YOUR beliefs, justt like everyone I've mentioned.
Every last person the Father calls and draws will be saved by Jesus,all will come to Him ,no exceptions,that's what the word says.Now,for you to teach or believe anything else means you are in error.
@CBALLEN "There is a general call issued to all who hear the gospel, which all who hear are responsible to obey (Prov. 1:25-33; Rom. 10:18-21)."
Why does God send out a "General Call" to sinners to repent who have ALREADY been fashioned for the Lake of Fire, where Jesus NEVER died for them to begin with? What a worthless "Call of repentance"!
Logic dictates that this "General Call" is foolishness & nothing more than a man-made effort into reconciling false doctrines w/ the Word of God
@apollos6640 You claim Natural men can know,understand and believe in Jesus as their Savior while still unregenerate even though scripture refutes this,no one can believe unless they are born again,no one seeks God unless they are regenerated by the Holy Spirit first. In essence you are calling God a liar,you have a man centered Gospel that declares man is the ruler of his own destiny and is FREE from God,to decide how he'll have his life run.
@apollos6640 You claim "Man must & CAN focus his MIND on the things of the SPIRIT to be set free from the law of Sin & death"
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1st Corinthians 2:14).
..Of course scripture has made you a liar and shown that what you believe is contrary to God's word.
@apollos6640 There is a general call issued to all who hear the gospel, which all who hear are responsible to obey (Prov. 1:25-33; Rom. 10:18-21). But there is an effectual, irresistible call by God the Holy Spirit which is given to God's elect alone and graciously causes them to come to Christ (I Thess. 1:4-5; Psa. 65:4). "He calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out" (John 10:3).
@JackMWolfe God commands men to do or don't do many things and when they don't obey after hearing God's word,they are just being reprobated that much more,it's the same way with the Gospel.God's word always accomplishes what it is sent to do,one may repent and believe while the other hates God even more and both things are done at the same time.
@CBALLEN "God's word always accomplishes what it is sent to do,one may repent & believe while the other hates God even more & both things are done at the same time."
God's word saves those who choose to believe & hardens those who refuse - & YOU'RE a perfect example. You've hardened yourself for so long againt God's word & the convicting voice of the Holy Spirit you've now crossed the line into blasphemy of the Spirit & can NEVER return. You serve only as a warning of Calvinism's dangers.
@JackMWolfe Only people who God has given new birth to will believe,not might believe,they will believe and Jesus will raise all these up in Glorified bodies on the last day. John 6:37,44
@CBALLEN There's no such thing as a general/effectual call or a resistible/irresistible call, or a "secret will of God" in which He sends out FAKE calls to repent to certain people, withholds the ability for them to obey it, & then destroys them for refusing! ALL God's calls to mankind to repent are effective & genuine - you blaspheme the TRUE God of the bible & follow a lying, deceptive counterfeit dirtbag who isn't worth spitting on, much less being worshipped!
@JackMWolfe The general call is to go out to every creature,it's up to God alone to add to the church,so the general call for some ends up being the effectual call for others.
God's command is for everyone to repent and believe,however we find that the natural man can't follow this command ,just like all other commands of God and that no one apart from being made born again can,so if someone does,then we know God Himself has made them born again and all born again people will love each other 1John 5:1.God's people know each other by the fruits they bare and the truths they believe.
@CBALLEN "God's command is for everyone to repent & believe,however we find that the natural man can't follow this command ,just like all other commands of God"
MORE unbiblical garbage. Moses told the Israelites "For this commandment which I command you this day is NOT TOO DIFFICULT FOR YOU, nor is it far off." And the Ninevites CHOSE to repent & God never even commanded them to - the natural man has no problem at all understanding God's requirement to either repent or be destroyed!
If people would just look at the big picture of what the Bibles tells and shows us,they would see that no matter what blessings or cursings God promises ,man is incapable of following any of God's commands unless or until God does a supernatural work in their heart first and all who have had their hearts changed will believe, have fruits and will do the works prepared before hand for them to do by God.If you are a believer,it's all because of Him alone.
@apollos6640 God's word tells us in Isiah 55:11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.
You say you believe God's word,but you don't.If God is trying to save everyone who hears His word,then Isiah was wrong,since all who hear it don't become believers,however if it saves the sheep and reprobates the goats,then Isiah was completely correct,and you're wrong.
@apollos God being no respecter of persons simply means,He doesn't look at men differently,He treats the poor the same way He treats the rich,He saves from every nationality and not just the Jews,He is just in all His judgments,unlike man who favors one man over another,however He still has a chosen people,the children of promise that He chose to set His love upon before time.Remember,no one wants God,all men hate Him naturally and can only believe once they r called,then they are saved forever.
@CBALLEN "Romans 8:7-8 "For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's LAW; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God."
This passage describes Man trying to submit to Gods LAW w/his Mind set on the Flesh-- which it CANNOT.
Romans 8:2
For the LAW of the SPIRIT OF LIFE has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
Man must & CAN focus his MIND on the things of the SPIRIT to be set free from the law of Sin & death
@apollos6640 "Man must & CAN focus his MIND on the things of the SPIRIT to be set free from the law of Sin & death"
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1st Corinthians 2:14).
Jesus told us the only way any man can know or understand anything of God is if God makes them born again first,once this has been done,only then can they repent & believe in Christ Jesus.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones... yes, Calvinism is totally unbiblical, like Eliphez from the Book of Job who misrepresented God and was "storing up Wrath" for himself, these Calvinists do the same--God creates men DEAD in their mothers womb, manufactured defective, preprogrammed from conception to Sin & ONLY sin lacking ALL ability to Repent or Beg for Mercy,created in the image of SATAN & PREDESTINED for DAMANATION "BEFORE having done ANYTHING either good or bad". Yet He loves them in a "certain sense"
"Oh the SOVEREINGTY of God! Why me? Why me? I did nothing! I've been CHOSEN for salvation from eternity past, and there's NOTHING I can do, no one will snatch me out of your hands no matter what I do! Why did you choose me Lord and pass over my neighbor? Oh why me?"
"You have discouraged the righteous with your lies, but I didn’t want them to be sad. And you have encouraged the wicked by promising them life, even though they continue in their sins." Ez.13:22 NLT
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones... Calvinists Apologetics James White has said that God has decreed every child rape, every murder otherwise etc otherwise its "purposeless evil". Imagine that... if a child is eever raped or murdered by a 50 year-old pedophile, confort the parents by telling them to GLORIFY the SOVEREIGNTY of God, because the rapist/murderer was only a puppet in the hands of GOD fulfilling His predestined SOVEREIGN WILL because we know he wasn't "Free" to have done otherwise
The logical end conclusion of calvinism was, is and remains that god himself is the author of sin. Which makes the calvinist call for 'repentance' a travesty.
Calvinism; God creates men DEAD in their mothers womb PREDESTINED for DAMNATION "Before having done anything either good or bad" preprogrammed to Sin & ONLY sin, created in the image of Satan, TOTALLY DEPRAVED at the moment of Conception, lacking ANY ability to Repent or Beg for mercy--while secretely having a Masterlist of vessels ALREADY ELECTED for Heaven.
@prn72271 A Christian cult is mainly defined by what they believe about Jesus.The difference between Calvinism and Arminianism is C-s believe that Jesus will not fail,A-s claim He will.The Bible says God's will will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven,A-s deny this,they believe that God is trying but failing to save all men,the Bible is clear that only the sheep will believe and these sheep were chosen in eternity past and all sheep will be saved at some point in their lives.
@CBALLEN Excellent point! Exactly right. Arminians believe that God is helpless & man has all the power. Calvanists believe that man is helpless and God has all the power.
@CBALLEN I dont know where this Jesus is going to fail thing comes from. sorry but It is absolute nonsense
IF God just picks whom to say and it has nothing to do with people then He has failed in not saving all. What in earth is the point of sending people to hell for fun?
God's overall will is done yes but that doesnt mean that he is forcing people to believe and others He just says TO HELL WITH YOU!
Sheep being chosen never negates choice, this is what you fail at big time.
@prn72271 The Bible means what it says,and it says that God has chosen His people before the foundation of the world according to THE PURPOSE OF HIS WILL .Eph 1 4:11.Why don't you trust what God says?We are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH.No one has saving faith in themselves that they muster up and then trade it to God for His salvation.God had 2 groups before time,1 to save and 1 to use in other ways,all things were created for a specific purpose,even the wicked for the day of evil.
@prn72271 Not according to scripture What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had before prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he has called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? God has chosen His elect from both Jew and Gentile.If we are saved we are children of promise,these are the elect.
@prn72271 What do you understand this verse to mean? Is.55:11so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.
@CBALLEN when did God speak that He would save you individually? Gods purposes prevail but to link that to individual salvation is ridiculous that is obviously not what Is 55:11 is asserting.
@prn72271 The verse is clear,in light of reality and other scriptures.When the Gospel of God is preached some will believe while others never will,now since God's word NEVER RETURNS VOID and always accomplishes it's purpose,this means that His word saves the sheep and reprobates the rest at the very same time.'
@CBALLEN "God's word NEVER RETURNS VOID " always accomplishes it's purpose"
Your misuse of this verse has been exposed REPEATEDLY. Salvation is a GIFT, & as such it can be refused - God's word is perfectly fulfilled & doesn't return to Him void when He receives AN ANSWER to His call, whatever it might be. Such willful distortions when you KNOW the truth exposes you as a worker of iniquity whose only purpose is to deceive & destroy others with false doctrines - & you WON"T escape judgment!
Wolfe You have no true answer for Isiah 55:11,you can only say it's twisted by me,but I believe God's word always accomplishes what it was sent out to do and reality bares out exactly what the verse says.Open theism is an assault on God's attributes and character,your belief has reduced God to no more than an exalted man who is ignorant of the future.God knows all,sees all,is everywhere at once and has power over all.You confuse God's revealing Himself to man anthropomorphically as ignorance.
My refutation of your twisting of Isa55:11 into a pretzel to support your abominations is absolutely true & it's YOU who has no answer for it! Verses such as Lk7:30 also bears witness against your blasphemous interpretation - "But the Pharisees & lawyers annulled & rejected & BROUGHT TO NOTHING GOD'S PURPOSE concerning themselves, by refusing & not being baptized by John (the Baptist)" They CHOSE to reject God's will that they be saved.
Take time out from creating deceptive ways to set aside, change, add & subtract from God's word to actually READ what someone posts! Concentrate: Salvation is a GIFT, & as such it can be REFUSED. therefore God's word is PERFECTLY fulfilled & doesn't return to Him void when He receives AN ANSWER to His call - no matter what the response might be. The Pharisees in Lk7:30 REJECTED God's call & their answer was returned to God - thus fulfilling Isa55:11.
@JackMWolfe You have not answered the question,if God is trying to save every individual who has ever lived and His word ALWAYS ACCOMPLISHES IT'S PURPOSE,then it logically stands that God's word is to save the sheep and damn the goats at the same time since this is the reality,unless of course ,you have become a Universalist and believe everyone gets saved in the end no matter what they believe.
@CBALLEN Your "question" about Isa55:11 has been completely answered MANY times - the reason you can't comprehend that Luke also answers it in Lk7:30 is because of those dark reformed sunglasses you wear which make you blind to the fact that man has been given a free will that allows him to reject God's will that he repent & not perish. You're blind to the fact that Lk7:30 clearly says "They rejected God's purpose for themselves" which directly contradicts & refutes your ENTIRE theology!
@JackMWolfe It's never been answered by you as far I can remember,you may have answered it when someone else asked it,but not to me.I,on the other hand have answered you about Lk 7:30 many,many times.Remember,a natural man can only choose a false god
@CBALLEN "It's never been answered by you as far I can remember"
LOL, your dishonesty is boundless! Put your hand on a bible & swear before God that you missed my explanation that since salvation is a GIFT & as such it can be refused - that God's word is perfectly fulfilled & doesn't return to Him void when He receives AN ANSWER to His call - WHATEVER if might be. I don't care if you agree or not but with God as your witness go ahead & claim again that I didn't answer you regarding Isa55:11.
@JackMWolfe For one thing Christians are not supposed to swear but let their yes be yes and no be no,and if God wants all who hear the gospel to be saved and it doesn't save them,then His word has failed according to Arminians,but we know it never fails,it does EXACTLY what it's supposed to do and that is to actually save the SHEEP and actually damn the Goats,so all you gave right then is a man centered non- answer.It is God that adds to the church,not man.
@CBALLEN "For one thing Christians are not supposed to swear but let their yes be yes & no be no"
Evasive - 1st, that verse has NOTHING to do with swearing that you're telling the truth before God & 2nd, you still didn't even answer the question with a "yes or no"! So acknowledge that I answered your question about Isa55:11 - that God's word doesn't return to Him void regardless of the answer because salvation is a GIFT which He allows to be rejected. God is a witness to your "yes or no"
"Why does God send out a "General Call" to sinners to repent who have ALREADY been fashioned for the Lake of Fire, where Jesus NEVER died for them to begin with? What a worthless "Call of repentance"!"
God doesn't tell us who the elect are,He tells us to preach to every creature for the purpose of His word accomplishing what it was sent to do.
@JackMWolfe Jack your answer to anything is it's man's choice regardless of the question,so no,you've never addressed or answered the question in an exegetical way,lol.
@CBALLEN "Your answer to anything is it's man's choice regardless of the question."
You're a confirmed liar & now also guilty of bearing false witness - the bible records MANY instances of God's sovereign acts but forcing salvation on certain people against their wills while withholding it from others isn't found ANYWHERE in the bible - you FORCE that between the lines of all the prooftexts you ripped out of the bible, including Isa55:11. I've invoked God to be a witness against your lies
@CBALLEN surely when God says that His word never returns void He is not saying that he chooses whom to save. Gods utilmate purpose always comes to past but that doesnt mean that every time he speaks people will obey. Thats ridiculous.
@prn72271 So then sometimes God's word doesn't accomplish what it was sent out to do? To believe that way means God's word is not true all the time.God's word always accomplishes what it was sent to do everytime He sends it,no exceptions.God's eternal decrees are always done by every creature alive ,every second of day and they have been done from the beginning of time.
@CBALLEN so then God is responsible and has decreed every sin ever committed then. What utter foolishness you are talking. That is a wicked and terrible statement you have made.
@prn72271 All sin starts in man's heart,man loves sin and wants to sin all the time,God merely chooses the sin men will commit to fulfill His decree,study your Bible and stop depending on ignorant preachers who repeat error.God's word will ultimately,save His sheep and damns the goats.Study,study,study.
@CBALLEN "study your Bible & stop depending on ignorant preachers who repeat error.God's word will ultimately,save His sheep & damns the goats.Study,study,study."
Another laugh from one of the most inept Calvinists on YouTube - your ignorance is only exceeded by your evasion & deception. You evade verses that directly contradict your filthy doctrines such as Lk7:30, Mt22:8-14, Rom5:18, Acts17:29-30, etc & to misuse others such as Isa63:17 which have all been exposed as Satanic manipulations.
@JackMWolfe Open Theists have traded the God of the Bible for a god more controllable,one more to the liking of fallen man.They believe that God has created men to be His partners in molding the future and helpers in all of His decisions. Open Theism is inconsistent and can not be defended Biblically this inconsistency is the first sign of a failed argument and is the reason why people need to reject Open Theism and Open Theists as heretics, Jack Wolfe is a prime example of O.T.
@CBALLEN LOL. 1st, the discussion is about YOUR contradictions with the bible, YOUR evasion of scores of verses, & YOUR deceptive manipulation of God's word which you just showed by ripping Isa63:17 out of context & adding filthy doctrines to it. 2nd, your belief about foreknowledge was your response to God's promise in Ex6:6-8 to bring the Israelites into the Land vs the fact they instead died in the desert - you said God lied to them, always intended to destroy them, & tough if no one likes it
@JackMWolfe The discussion is about who God is and who He's not,He IS all knowing and all powerful,He' is not ignorant and He's not wringing His hands hoping people will "get saved",He already knows ALL His sheep and He also knows ALL the goats,He knew ALL this before time,He also doesn't depend on man for ANYTHING,He counts the people of Earth as dust.He saves people for His Glory alone and nothing else.
@JackMWolfe Don't forget,God inhabits eternity meaning,He knows the past,present and future perfectly and that included He knows every word,thought and deed of every man before time ever began.Now,repent and believe or else.
@CBALLEN Isa57:15 says "For thus says the high & lofty One--He Who inhabits eternity, Whose name is Holy: I dwell in the high & holy place, but with him also who is of a thoroughly penitent & humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble & to revive the heart of the penitent" NOTHING you said is in this verse, especially about God knowing, desiring, & decreeing that people rebel against Him & be destroyed. NONE of your abominations are found in the bible, not even in the verses you cite!
@JackMWolfe He inhabits ETERNITY,meaning,He knows absolutely EVERYTHING.There is nothing that a human can say,think or do a 1,000 or a million yrss from now, that God didn't already know before time ever made it's first tick.God inhabiting eternity means Open Theism is destroyed at it's very root,since O.Ts teach that God is trapped in His own creation,time.The reason He knows every thing is because He has appointed everything to happen ,our steps , words and salvation, even your heresy..
@CBALLEN Isa57:15 only says that God is an eternal being, but just as you did with Isa63:17 you mixed your perverted abominations with it to make a deadly concoction of Kalvin Kool-aid that will poison anyone who driinks it. EVERY verse you misuse has been proven to be a Satanic manipulation - like the devil did with Christ, you try to lure people into jumping off a building by adding falsehoods to God's Word. You're a son of Satan himself, a confirmed liar speaking by a filthy, lying demon.
There you go lying about scripture again.It says that HE INHABITS ETERNITY,this is part of His OMNIPRESENCE,this is why Open Theism fails big time.Of course you must twist and deny what scripture is actually saying because the implications are so devastating to your cultic belief system. So what part of inhabits eternity do you not understand?
@CBALLEN LOL, a perfect example of what Calvinism is all about - deception by prooftexting & adding & subtracting from God's word. Isa57:15 about God "inhabiting eternity" says NOTHING, ZERO, NADA about what you try to force into it & the rest of the chapter, even the next verse refutes it anyway - referring to God's destruction of those who rebel although it wasn't His purpose for creating them! You're constantly being refuted by even the verses YOU cite! What a self-deceived liar & fool!
@JackMWolfe LOL,you've never refuted me,but more importantly,you've never refuted God's word.God's word is inerrant and does not contradict itself,like you' and Apollyon would have us believe.God inhabits past,present and future simultaneously,how's that?Does that help you understand any better?This is irrefutable ,God has chosen His people before time in eternity past,He's already told Christians this in many places in His word,you just can't understand,you're blind , deaf,& lost.
@CBALLEN God's word indeed doesn't contradict itself but it does contradict your filthy doctrines which blaspheme the TRUE God of grace & mercy & try to turn Him into a tyrant & a liar who creates helpless people for the sole purpose of destroying them after giving them FAKE calls to repent & withholding their ability to obey. You worship & follow Satan & reflect his exact character - a pathological liar with no conscience & you blaspheme the Holy Spirit, You're a walking dead man - a corpse.
@JackMWolfe "LOL, a perfect example of what Calvinism is all about - deception by prooftexting & adding & subtracting from God's word. '
Lol,the whole Bible is a proof text for reformed people,because it's true! Talk about adding,subtracting and twisting and you have Jack Wolfe.You can't take any plain text and NOT twist,add or subtract,we've all seen how you can't walk through any clear passage without tainting it to say something it's not intended to say.You a a ridiculous little man.
@CBALLEN "the whole Bible is a proof text for reformed people"
The bible is no friend of Calvinists - your manipulations of what it ACTUALLY says have been exposed repeatedly all over YouTube such as Isa63:17 & Isa57:15 - & you've also EVADED dozens of verses that directly contradict your abominations such as Mt22:8-14 which says salvation is by INVITATION & for ALL people & Acts17:29-30 which says ALL men are God's children & the gospel is for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. You're a confirmed liar!
@JackMWolfe What part of inhabits eternity don't you understand?Where does the Bible say God is trapped in His own Creation,time?You can't find even a hint of such a ridiculous doctrine except in your tiny mind and the other tiny minds of Open Theists.
@prn72271 Is 63:17 O LORD, why do you make us wander from your ways and harden our heart, so that we fear you not?....
Wow,God is the one who makes us wander from HIS WAYS and Hardens our hearts so that we won't fear Him! I guess this is ridiculous too huh?That's why you need to study,let the Bible define itself,don't say "If God doesn't do it like I would I'll just make up another god to worship".
@CBALLEN "Is 63:17 O LORD, why do you make us wander from your ways & harden our heart, so that we fear you not? Wow,God is the one who makes us wander from HIS WAYS & Hardens our hearts so that we won't fear Him"
LOL, good demonstration of how Calvinists rip isolated verses from the bible to support their abominations! When the WHOLE chapter is read it says this was God's judgment against them for their rebellion - just as He's blinded YOU for yours & for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
@JackMWolfe "When the WHOLE chapter is read it says this was God's judgment against them for their rebellion "
Any time God moves away from someone their hearts become hardened and they don't fear Him,this is just another example showing why man can't follow God and keep His law unless God is active in restraining them,proving that unless God is causing someone to come to Jesus they never will in their natural state.
@CBALLEN You were caught manipulating Isa63:17 & respond with MORE evasion, deception, & fallacious arguments trying to cover it up. The chapter is VERY clear - these were God's people who He called His sons but then they rebelled against Him, grieved the Holy Spirit, & God became their enemy. Saying God not only knew it but planned it adds to your OWN grieving of the Spirit & blasphemy against Him. I'd tell YOU to repent, but your sin is unforgivable & you already KNOW what you say are lies.
@prn72271 You do believe that God knows all things right?In 2Peter 3:9 you must realize that God knew His own before time began,and since this has been established in many scriptures you must ask yourself,Why would God be patiently waiting on people He knows will never be saved and that He knew these goats before time?God is not senile,He has always known both the sheep and goats,and if He was waiting on the goats to come,then that would make God ignorant of His elect.,God's not ignorant.
@CBALLEN "He has always known both the sheep & goats,& if He was waiting on the goats to come,then that would make God ignorant of His elect."
A fallacious argument refuted EVERY time you make it! The bible is CLEAR that when He puts man to a test of obedience, God doesn't foreknow their choice eg, Gen22:12 "Do not lay your hand on the lad or do anything to him; for NOW I KNOW that you fear & revere God.." Their decision to obey or not is holy to God & even protected from His scrutiny.
@CBALLEN It has nothing to do with God learning - He knows every choice we can make & what the results of each will be but He gives each man the free will to decide for themselves to trust & obey Him or not. You choose NOT to but instead to put your faith in a demonic concoction of heretical doctrines that pervert the true gospel into BAD NEWS for the majority of mankind & misrepresents the God of the bible as a dirtbag who creates helpless people only to cast them into hell - pure blasphemy!
@CBALLEN "Everyone is well aware of your deception & false god.Get thee behind me SATAN!"
The opposite has been shown but you've provided one important truth - that the end of Calvinism's dark, demonic road results in blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Calvinists spend lots of time trying to make their unbiblical doctrines appear orthodox on the surface, but when the false veneer is stripped away it's source is exposed as Satan himself & its agenda is blaspheming God by perverting His word.
@JackMWolfe Man's "free will" is unable to choose Christ,it can only choose evil,and cannot ever obey GodRomans 8:7.because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
@JackMWolfe " It has nothing to do with God learning- He knows every choice we can make & what the results of each will be"Gen22:12 "Do not lay your hand on the lad or do anything to him; for NOW I KNOW that you fear & revere God.."
This is an example of God revealing Himself to man in an anthropomorphic way,God knew exactly what Abraham would do,it was an example to us.When God asked "Adam,where are you" or"let us go down and see what they're doing"does this mean God didn't know?Certainly not
@prn72271 "Eph 1:11 talking how Jews were selected."
It most certainly is not speaking of the Jewish nation,it's being addressed exclusively to BELIEVERS IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST,about all believers, past present and future.God chose HIS PEOPLE BEFORE TIME -TO BELIEVE IN JESUS.Read all of Ephs. 1,study,study,study.
@CBALLEN Eph 1:4-11 is speaking exclusively of believers,those of Paul's day and all believers (the elect) of the future.God's word is telling us that He alone has chosen who He will save and since not all Israel is Israel,we know that the children of promise are both Jew and Gentile,the children of promise are spiritual Israel.2 Peter 3:9 is telling the same story,God is not willing that any believer perish,that's why Jesus hadn't come back yet,so all the sheep could be born and saved.
@CBALLEN If you read this carefully you will see that God has chosen people in Christ. This is what I feel the crux of the passage is. God desire was to save people through Christ not that he was just picking people out for salvation. Read again.
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
@prn72271 "I dont know where this Jesus is going to fail thing comes from. sorry but It is absolute nonsense"
Such statements come from the blasphemy of God's character which undergirds Calvinism's pillars - CBAllen has reached the end of Calvin's apostate road & also blasphemes the Holy Spirit too. No one can recover from that sin so save your breath with this reprobate - he's crossed the line & can NEVER return to the truth even if he wanted to. PM me & I'll give you details. Avoid!
5th, as you can also see, Calvinists assert that Adam was tempted beyond his ability to resist which contradicts 1Cor10:13 & blasphemes God by claiming His command to not eat of the tree was a ruse - that His actual will was for Adam to disobey & fall into sin. 6th, as you can also see, Calvinism totally disrupts the sanctification process of those trapped in this heresy, they accept & are completely comfortable with living in sin - it's a totally powerless belief system, a doctrine of demons.
@ossiezig "You're very insightful & convincing. I don't see any scripture twisting here so far from you so I do disagree with Jack's accusation"
This shows you're either confused or a complete phony. His ridiculous argument that God allowing no one to be tested beyond their ability to resist didn't apply to Adam & that God WANTED him to disobey & sin is blasphemous nonsense. If you think that's "insightful & convincing" then you go right ahead & drink that Kalvin Kool-aid! What an idiot.
@JackMWolfe How is his argument "ridiculous"? Hebrews 8:8 quotes Jeremiah 31 which says that God will make a new covenant with us. Wasn't the promise made in 1 Cor 10:13 given to us as part of the new covenant? Adam was not part of this covenant, was he? Also, the fall and redemption of man being decreed before the foundations of the world is backed by scripture, so Solomon's point is solid & I respectfully haven't seen a convcining retort from you. Do true christians call each other idiots?
@ossiezig 1st, Calvinism isn't Christian - you need to wake up to the fact they have a limited, condemned gospel & blaspheme God by claiming He creates helpless people for the sole purpose of destroying them. The REAL gospel is found in verses such as Acts17:29-30 - ALL men are God's children & the gospel is for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. 2nd, 1Cor10:13 has NOTHING to do with any covenants but with God's nature - He would never allow ANYONE, ANYTIME to be tested beyond their capacity to resist.
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Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.....they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism!!
willpower242 1 week ago
God's election is Christocentric. It isn't difficult. Jesus is the Chosen one and just as we are sons of God by virtue of our union with the Son of God, we are chosen by virtue of our union with the Chosen one.
StringPlunker 2 weeks ago
@CBALLEN This is a clear text telling us what it WOULD HAVE taken to save S&G,and so it is that God knows exactly what it will take to turn everyone's heart,but He only chooses to turn the hearts of the elect."
On the contrary, Jesus is pointing out how CALLOUS & Obstinant the Jews were in comparison to the sinners of S&G..
God is NOT a respector of persons, He doesn't create some to be unelect to burn forever, neither does He create some inevitably to be Elect to inherit Eternal Life.
apollos6640 3 months ago
@CBALLEN... "How do you defend middle knowledge since there is NO middle knowledge according to God?"
You're lack of understanding can be explained by 1 Cor.2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."
A perfect example of Middle Knowledge is found in 1 Sam.23:10-13
apollos6640 3 months ago
@apollos6640 So believing God can learn is spiritual? Believing God is ignorant is a Holy thing?No,the natural person can't come to CHRIST,God must regenerate anyone before they are able to believe.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@apollos6640 In Matthew 11:23 Jesus is talking and rebuking various people for their unbelief, and He says, “For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.”
This is a clear text telling us what it would have taken to save S&G,and so it is that God knows exactly what it will take to turn everyone's heart,but He only chooses to turn the hearts of the elect.We are told what could have been,but wasn't.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN What a fallacious & incoherent statement! If "Free Will" doesn't exist PERIOD for anyone, then why ask God to "remove" it? In other words, it DOES exist for all of mankind, but YOU "prayed" to walk the Earth without it, a drone/robot/puppet tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes... you're blind CBALLEN, & you're destined to fall into a pit lest you start glorifying His HOLINESS! His name is HOLY
apollos6640 3 months ago
@apollos6640 You silly twerp,I WAS THINKING AS AN ARMINIAN AT THAT TIME! NOW I KNOW BETTER.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@apollos6640 I see why you can't understand scripture now.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@apollos6640 Now,how do you defend middle knowledge since there is NO middle knowledge according to God?BTW,middle knowledge is open theism,it still means that God must learn something that He didn't know before hand.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN... here is your quote word for word...
It's our so called "free will" that gets us in trouble and can do nothing but cause us to sin,when God saved me the first thing I asked for was to remove my "free will' and replace it with God's will,little did I know at the time,that that is exactly what God was doing all along"
Why would you ask God to "remove" your "Free Will" when you teach that it DOESN'T EXIST!?
apollos6640 3 months ago
@apollos6640 Look,I said"free will",of course I know we all have wills,but none are "free wills",they are slaves to SIn and God replaces or removes our slave status by changing our wills to be conformed to be more like Jesus.This is called sanctification,it goes on until death then we are glorified,now do you see?
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe.."The first thing I asked God for, was to remove my free will"
Huh? What a fallacious & incoherent statement!
If "Free Will" doesn't exist PERIOD for anyone, then why ask God to "remove" it? In other words, it DOES exist for all of mankind, but CBALLEN has "prayed" to walk the Earth without it, a drone/robot/puppet tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes...
What a shame.
apollos6640 3 months ago
@apollos6640 Apollyon,everyone knows the truth that has ever read your comments,you refute no reformed person.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN "you refute no reformed person"
As you've demonstrated, Calvinists refute themselves - all that's needed is to point it out & expose what they say to the light of God's word & to a simple reality check. Isa63:17 was shown to be ripped out of context - God hardened their hearts as a judgment for rebellion, Isa57:15 says NONE of the things you tried to dump into it, & saying free will doesn't exist but we should ask God to remove it because it causes us to sin is absurd babbling!
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe You're a fraud,liar,and a heretic.You don't understand scripture at all,even Apollyon knew that Isiah said God inhabits eternity,so scram varmint.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN 1st, your manipulation of Isa63:17 by ripping it out of context & the fact you've been confronted about it before on other videos but did it again here confirms YOU'RE the fraud, the liar & heretic. 2nd, you're also guilty of blaspheming the Holy Spirit by declaring that those who say Christ died for all people are speaking by a demon. 3rd, you're a coward who refuses to stand forth & agree for judgment to fall on the REAL imposter & liar here according to Heb10:30 - you KNOW it's you!
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@apollos6640 Since God inhabits eternity,it means He inhabits the future,so He knows the whole future until the end of time and beyond.This being true means,there are no alternative ,possible eternities,since He has given us definite prophecy of our future,and beyond, since God lives in future ,He knows all the future sheep and the goats already for sure.However God also inhabits the past,meaning ,He knew all the sheep and goats before time,so either way,both of you are wrong.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN Isaiah 57:15 ESV
For thus says the One who is high and lifted up,
who inhabits eternity, whose NAME IS HOLY:
WHO'S NAME IS HOLY
WHO'S NAME IS HOLY
WHO'S NAME IS HOLY
Indeed God Inhabits Eternity, & His Name is HOLY. God CANNOT LIE, God places His HOLINESS above His SOVEREIGNTY. He does WHATEVER He pleases WITHOUT violating His Attributes of HOLINESS...
But your calvinism makes Him out be be Cruel, Malicious & Unjust..
He commands man to Obey, but then Decreeds the precise OPPOSITE
apollos6640 3 months ago
@apollos CBALLEN isn't only refuted when the entire chapter or verse he cites is examined, but even by his own testimony - after emphatically denying that man has free will but that God ordains everything he then says "it's free will that gets us in trouble & can do nothing but cause us to sin, when God saved me the 1st thing I asked for was to remove my free will" So free will causes sin & we should pray for God to remove it although it doesn't exist! Calvinism is like getting brain cancer.
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@apollos6640" .It's our so called "free will" that gets us in trouble and can do nothing but cause us to sin,when God saved me the first thing I asked for was to remove my "free will' and replace it with God's will"
Here's what I actually wrote.I was Arminian in my thinking then,that's why I put "Free will" in parentheses.You 2 twist comments just like you do scripture.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN "You twist comments just like you do scripture"
1st, nobody needs to twist what you say, it's already twisted into a pretzel - all that's required is to expose it & to untwist the verses you rip from the bible trying to support such lunacy. 2nd, "God inhabits eternity" doesn’t even REMOTELY say all things are predetermined or God selects certain people & forces them to be saved while denying salvation to others! All you've shown is the massive reality break that Calvinism involves!
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
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@JackMWolfe How does God not know who belongs to Him at this very moment,since He INHABITS ETERNITY?
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN, JackMWolfe, fractalfires, myself & many others have refuted you time & time again... now, are you telling me you're LYING was Decreed by God as well?
CBALLEN you're a Goat, a willfull slave to the devil & are nothing more than an imposter to christianity... you try and refute your Fatalistic ideas by giving credit to God, but only advocate what I've written.
What a foolish way to end ones life-- calvinism is a chasing after the wind... I believe in MIDDLE KNOWLEDGE remember? Grow up
apollos6640 3 months ago
@CBALLEN The reason He knows every thing is because He has appointed everything to happen ,our steps , words and salvation, even your heresy..
Fatalism: "The belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable."
YES, Everythings FATED to happen the way it happens via the guile of calvinisms "SOVEREIGNTY" of God.
We know you're a Theistic Fatalist.. like every othr heretic, you abuse the scriptures to defend your position.
apollos6640 3 months ago
@apollos6640 Roman Catholicism and open theism combined makes for confused heretics don't it now?.It's our so called "free will" that gets us in trouble and can do nothing but cause us to sin,when God saved me the first thing I asked for was to remove my "free will' and replace it with God's will,little did I know at the time,that that is exactly what God was doing all along.Just admit it,you hate God because He's sovereign and you can't do anything about it.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@apollos6640 "YES, Everythings FATED to happen the way it happens via the guile of calvinisms "SOVEREIGNTY" of God."
No,God has determined the steps of every person from cradle to grave and some He has appointed to eternal life and it's only these who will ever believe,that's straight up scripture Apollyon,only the APPOINTED,CHOSEN,ELECT,ORDAINED,CALL OUT ONES,ECT. will ever see Heaven.It's God's choice,not the will of man.What part of NOT THE WILL OF MAN don't you understand?
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN Your Reformed Gnostic god is the one behind every EVIL, WICKED deed, he's the Originator/Prime Mover/Primary Cause/Ultimate Cause/Author/Father/ Orchastrator & Creator of ALL MORAL EVIL,... yes, HE brings EVIL into EXISTANCE, THEN this EVIL is SOVEREIGNLY IMPOSED & DECREED on mankind so to BURN them FOREVER for "His Glory"
Your god is CRUEL, UNJUST, & MALICIOUS! He creates men INVOLUNTARILY EVIL from the Womb, commands him to OBEY, then DECREEDS the precise OPPOSITE to BURN him forever
apollos6640 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe.... "Now,repent and believe or else."
CBALLEN is alluding to Lk.13:3,5 "Repent or Perish"
However in Calvinism, the Unelect CANNOT REPENT & the Elect CANNOT PERISH... there isn't any power or authority that comes from the mouth of heretics
apollos6640 3 months ago
this is why reformed Christianity is evil
TheOldBeef 3 months ago
Which came first.? God's substance ( His Spirit ) or His Virtues ?, ( love, truth, mercy, goodness,etc. ) They are simultaneous of course. God is His substance and His Virtue in self existing life. If God suspends His Spirit He suspends His life,If He suspends His Virtue of love, holiness or attibute of power He suspends His self existence. God cannot have a power or knowledge working aganist His own. His Nature would be suspended in the process. God is at perfect rest to His self existing Life
polopowers1 5 months ago
@polopowers1 Meaningless gibberish that has nothing to do with the video or Christianity. Take your Eastern mysticism & go find a place to chant.
JackMWolfe 5 months ago
I used to LIKE Sproul. Then I found out his "doctorate" is from an unaccredited institution. His cred went straight down the drain with that.
BenAliGtor 6 months ago
@BenAliGtor I care less where his doctorate is from. I enjoy him for what he represents.
wilberteric 6 months ago
@wilberteric "I care less where his doctorate is from. I enjoy him for what he represents"
He represents the worst of counterfeit Christianity - Sproul is an apostate who couldn't exegete his way out of wet parchment & even his claim to be a Christian is blasphemy. He promotes a false gospel (Repent, for Christ MIGHT have died for you) which is condemned by Gal1:7-9 & accuses God of creating helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them into hell - pure heresy.
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe... he mentioned Jn1:12 & gave a DISTORTED man-made, Reformed-Centered interpretation.. I called him out on it to ANSWER my question-- he then started jumping from Proof-text to proof-text with a pogo stick being very creful not to hit any LANDMINDS in trying to avoid the question.. I've now asked him like 5x and he REFUSES to give me an asnwer for JOHN 1:12!!
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos Been there & done that with this apostate. As I said, he evaded Lk7:30 for over 3 weeks by complete silence then finally tried to use the pathetic "secret will of God" nonsense, was almost laughed off YouTube, then later tried to deny he used the argument & called me a liar when I later mentioned it. Calvinism is directly contradicted by the bible - those who persist & refuse to repent of it become liars, manipulators, blasphemers, & false accusers. God gives them up to the darkness.
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@CBALLEN you haven't answered my question, instead you AVOID & EVADE the issue according to John 1:12
But to as many as did RECEIVE Him, He GAVE the AUTHORITY to BECOME the children of God, that is, to those who believe in His name... who owe their birth to God."
WHEN were they given the AUTHORITY/POWER/PRIVILEDGE to "BECOME the Children of God"? BEFORE or AFTER they "Received" him?
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos "you haven't answered my question, instead you AVOID & EVADE the issue"
Evasion is all he has - he once dodged Lk7:30 for 3 solid weeks, & I mean complete SILENCE. And as you just saw, when his distorted prooftexts are refuted such as Rom9:16, Eph1:1-14, & Isa55:11 - he completely ignores it, just continues chanting his Calvinist mantras, & will later even deny that these verses were ever answered. It's a pattern of deception that ALL Calvinists employ - they run from the truth.
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
JN.10:26 But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 [d]My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are [e]one.”
Jesus knows all His sheep,even those not born yet,they are given to Him by the Father and none r lost.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN you haven't answered my question, instead you PROOF-texted your way to another passage...
John 1:12 But to as many as did RECEIVE Him, He GAVE the AUTHORITY to BECOME the children of God, that is, to those who believe in His name... who owe their birth to God."
WHEN were they given the AUTHORITY/POWER/PRIVILEDGE to "BECOME the Children of God"? BEFORE or AFTER they "Received" him?
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos6640 God has chosen all His own before time,for His good purpose,so God has always known His own before time began and when the Gospel calls,they will come and be saved.You can't deny it unless you twist scripture.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN can you please answer the question instead of indirectly insulting me!
John 1:12 But to as many as did RECEIVE Him, He GAVE the AUTHORITY to BECOME the children of God, that is, to those who believe in His name... who owe their birth to God."
WHEN were they given the AUTHORITY/POWER/PRIVILEDGE to "BECOME the Children of God"? BEFORE or AFTER they "Received" him?
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos6640 "WHEN were they given the AUTHORITY/POWER/PRIVILEDGE to "BECOME the Children of God"? BEFORE or AFTER they "Received" him?"
When God made them Born Again,however it was settled in Heaven who He would make BORN AGAIN,Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN. Eph.1:4 "chose US in Him...that we should be holy"
The "US" Is not you or any other Calvinist--
In order that we, who were FIRST to hope IN CHRIST, might be for the praise of His glory." The FIRST to hope were JEWS (Acts 2-3). Then in v13 he shifts his audience to the Gentiles "And you ALSO were included IN Christ WHEN you HEARD the Gospel of your salvation. Having BELIEVED, you were marked IN HIM with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit." The GOSPEL saves people, NOT predestination.
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos6640 The US is all believers who will ever live.God certainly knows all His sheep and has known and loved them all before time began,He also knew all the goats.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee [4] of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, [5] to the praise of his glory.
Notice also,the Holy Spirit is a guarantee of our Heavenly inheritance.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "Notice also,the Holy Spirit is a guarantee of our Heavenly inheritance."
Notice also that verses such as Rom11:20-22 give the REST of the story "... do not become proud & conceited, but rather stand in awe & be reverently afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches neither will He spare you...note & appreciate the gracious kindness to you - PROVIDED YOU CONTINUE in His grace & abide in His kindness; OTHERWISE YOU TOO WILL BE CUT OFF." You're prooftexting - AGAIN!
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@CBALLEN you mentioned John 1:12
But to as many as did RECEIVE Him, He GAVE the AUTHORITY to BECOME the children of God, that is, to those who believe in His name...who owe their birth to God."
WHEN were they given the AUTHORITY/POWER/PRIVILEDGE to "BECOME the Children of God"? BEFORE or AFTER they "Received" him?
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos6640 How many times must the Bible say that salvation is not by the choice or will of man before it is counted true in your mind,hum?
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "How many times must the Bible say that salvation is not by the choice or will of man before it is counted true in your mind"
How many times must prooftexts such as Rom9:16 be untwisted before you repent of your blasphemous deceptions? Salvation ORIGINATES with God's will, not man's - but it ENDS with it as each person makes their decision to either accept or reject God's call to repent. YOU faced that same decision concerning your heresies, but hardened yourself beyond remedy.
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@CBALLEN so in this "Big Picture" of yours ... God creates People specifically for Hell "Before having done anything either good or bad"... how do you correleate it w/ verses such as "God is Love"... please explain in detail how its "Loving" of God To create the vast majority of humans "in His image" FOR DAMNATION "BEFORE HAVING DONE ANYTHING either good or bad"? Thanks
apollos6640 6 months ago
That's John 1 btw
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN I'm seeing your "BIG PICTURE" now:
...Like Bees Programmed by God to make Honey, Because of Adams Fall, GOD purposely creates ALL people DEAD in the WOMB, Programmed to Sin & Only Sin lacking ALL ABILITY to repent or Beg for Mercy, the VAST MAJORITY specifically Hated by Him & Fashioned as 'GOATS' for the Lake of Fire "BEFORE having done anything either good or bad", HATED Daily, while simultaneously saving His ELECT few outside ANY human condition--to make known His riches on them.
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos6640 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— now this tells how all who received Him received Him13 children born not of natural descent, nor of (human decision) or a husband’s will, but born of God.
This is clear as day,it was not any decision on man's part that caused their salvation,it was God making them born again that caused belief.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@apollos6640 Funny,Jesus said only a few would be saved.Do you understand that salvation is NOT by the choice or decision or by the will of man or a Husband's will,but born of God alone,God decided
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN if you answer "No, he's only commanding His Elect to Repent"
Then why did Jesus say to preach the Gospel to "EVERY CREATURE"?
If you answer "Yes, He command All people every, no exceptions, to repent."
They WHY is He commanding people who were specifiacally PREDESTINED & FASHIONED for the Lake of Fire, 'before having done anything either good or bad', whom Jesus DIDN'T DIE FOR, to repent?
apollos6640 6 months ago
@CBALLEN Acts 17:30
The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent
Is God Commanding ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE to repent or not?
apollos6640 6 months ago
@CBALLEN you never answered my question, instead you insulted me and elevated yourself as some how Knowing the "Truth"as if I were the one guilty of misrepresenting God.
You're the one w/ contradictions in your theology, shouldnt you be wise enough to reconsider these doctrines over over-looking them, being ignorant and chastising and condemning those who disagree with you?
Don't confuse yourself w/me not believing CALVINISM over the WORD of GOD. No they're NOT one in the same.
apollos6640 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "Now,for you to teach or believe anything else means you are in error"
Imagine if Charles Darwin made the same claim, or Richard Dawkins, or Joseph Smith, Or Charles Taze Russel... what make YOU any different? You're just preaching YOUR beliefs, justt like everyone I've mentioned.
apollos6640 6 months ago
Every last person the Father calls and draws will be saved by Jesus,all will come to Him ,no exceptions,that's what the word says.Now,for you to teach or believe anything else means you are in error.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "There is a general call issued to all who hear the gospel, which all who hear are responsible to obey (Prov. 1:25-33; Rom. 10:18-21)."
Why does God send out a "General Call" to sinners to repent who have ALREADY been fashioned for the Lake of Fire, where Jesus NEVER died for them to begin with? What a worthless "Call of repentance"!
Logic dictates that this "General Call" is foolishness & nothing more than a man-made effort into reconciling false doctrines w/ the Word of God
apollos6640 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "By your own admission you've shown that you believe God's word and the way that He saves is foolishness to you,so what does this mean?"
By WHAT admission?
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos6640 You claim Natural men can know,understand and believe in Jesus as their Savior while still unregenerate even though scripture refutes this,no one can believe unless they are born again,no one seeks God unless they are regenerated by the Holy Spirit first. In essence you are calling God a liar,you have a man centered Gospel that declares man is the ruler of his own destiny and is FREE from God,to decide how he'll have his life run.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "I already did. Man can't obey God in his natural state,plain and simple. CBALLEN what's so "BIG" About this?
apollos6640 6 months ago
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@apollos6640 You claim "Man must & CAN focus his MIND on the things of the SPIRIT to be set free from the law of Sin & death"
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1st Corinthians 2:14).
..Of course scripture has made you a liar and shown that what you believe is contrary to God's word.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@apollos6640 By your own admission you've shown that you believe God's word and the way that He saves is foolishness to you,so what does this mean?
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@apollos6640 There is a general call issued to all who hear the gospel, which all who hear are responsible to obey (Prov. 1:25-33; Rom. 10:18-21). But there is an effectual, irresistible call by God the Holy Spirit which is given to God's elect alone and graciously causes them to come to Christ (I Thess. 1:4-5; Psa. 65:4). "He calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out" (John 10:3).
CBALLEN 6 months ago
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JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe God commands men to do or don't do many things and when they don't obey after hearing God's word,they are just being reprobated that much more,it's the same way with the Gospel.God's word always accomplishes what it is sent to do,one may repent and believe while the other hates God even more and both things are done at the same time.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "God's word always accomplishes what it is sent to do,one may repent & believe while the other hates God even more & both things are done at the same time."
God's word saves those who choose to believe & hardens those who refuse - & YOU'RE a perfect example. You've hardened yourself for so long againt God's word & the convicting voice of the Holy Spirit you've now crossed the line into blasphemy of the Spirit & can NEVER return. You serve only as a warning of Calvinism's dangers.
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe Only people who God has given new birth to will believe,not might believe,they will believe and Jesus will raise all these up in Glorified bodies on the last day. John 6:37,44
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN There's no such thing as a general/effectual call or a resistible/irresistible call, or a "secret will of God" in which He sends out FAKE calls to repent to certain people, withholds the ability for them to obey it, & then destroys them for refusing! ALL God's calls to mankind to repent are effective & genuine - you blaspheme the TRUE God of the bible & follow a lying, deceptive counterfeit dirtbag who isn't worth spitting on, much less being worshipped!
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe The general call is to go out to every creature,it's up to God alone to add to the church,so the general call for some ends up being the effectual call for others.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
God's command is for everyone to repent and believe,however we find that the natural man can't follow this command ,just like all other commands of God and that no one apart from being made born again can,so if someone does,then we know God Himself has made them born again and all born again people will love each other 1John 5:1.God's people know each other by the fruits they bare and the truths they believe.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "God's command is for everyone to repent & believe,however we find that the natural man can't follow this command ,just like all other commands of God"
MORE unbiblical garbage. Moses told the Israelites "For this commandment which I command you this day is NOT TOO DIFFICULT FOR YOU, nor is it far off." And the Ninevites CHOSE to repent & God never even commanded them to - the natural man has no problem at all understanding God's requirement to either repent or be destroyed!
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe Answer the question please,what does Is.5511 mean.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "If people would just look at the Big Picture..."
Outside of your interpretation of Scripture, can you summarize this Big Picture for me in under 500 words? Thanks
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos6640 I already did.Man can't obey God in his natural state,plain and simple.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
If people would just look at the big picture of what the Bibles tells and shows us,they would see that no matter what blessings or cursings God promises ,man is incapable of following any of God's commands unless or until God does a supernatural work in their heart first and all who have had their hearts changed will believe, have fruits and will do the works prepared before hand for them to do by God.If you are a believer,it's all because of Him alone.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@TheKJVberean, "God is NOT a respector of persons"
Romans 2:11 ESV For God shows no partiality.
Romans 2:11 NASB For there is no partiality with God.
Romans 2:11 HCSB There is no favoritism with God.
Romans 2:11 KJV For there is no respect of persons with God.
Then WHY does he decide to create the majority FOR HELL, and the minority for HEAVEN "BEFORE having done ANYTHING either good or bad"?
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos6640 God's word tells us in Isiah 55:11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.
You say you believe God's word,but you don't.If God is trying to save everyone who hears His word,then Isiah was wrong,since all who hear it don't become believers,however if it saves the sheep and reprobates the goats,then Isiah was completely correct,and you're wrong.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@apollos God being no respecter of persons simply means,He doesn't look at men differently,He treats the poor the same way He treats the rich,He saves from every nationality and not just the Jews,He is just in all His judgments,unlike man who favors one man over another,however He still has a chosen people,the children of promise that He chose to set His love upon before time.Remember,no one wants God,all men hate Him naturally and can only believe once they r called,then they are saved forever.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN You are making God out to be a respecter of persons, are you aware that that's sin?
TheKJVberean 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "Romans 8:7-8 "For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's LAW; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God."
This passage describes Man trying to submit to Gods LAW w/his Mind set on the Flesh-- which it CANNOT.
Romans 8:2
For the LAW of the SPIRIT OF LIFE has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
Man must & CAN focus his MIND on the things of the SPIRIT to be set free from the law of Sin & death
apollos6640 6 months ago
@apollos6640 "Man must & CAN focus his MIND on the things of the SPIRIT to be set free from the law of Sin & death"
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1st Corinthians 2:14).
Jesus told us the only way any man can know or understand anything of God is if God makes them born again first,once this has been done,only then can they repent & believe in Christ Jesus.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
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JackMWolfe 7 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones... yes, Calvinism is totally unbiblical, like Eliphez from the Book of Job who misrepresented God and was "storing up Wrath" for himself, these Calvinists do the same--God creates men DEAD in their mothers womb, manufactured defective, preprogrammed from conception to Sin & ONLY sin lacking ALL ability to Repent or Beg for Mercy,created in the image of SATAN & PREDESTINED for DAMANATION "BEFORE having done ANYTHING either good or bad". Yet He loves them in a "certain sense"
apollos6640 8 months ago
@JackMWolfe... Ezekiel 13:22 NLT
"Oh the SOVEREINGTY of God! Why me? Why me? I did nothing! I've been CHOSEN for salvation from eternity past, and there's NOTHING I can do, no one will snatch me out of your hands no matter what I do! Why did you choose me Lord and pass over my neighbor? Oh why me?"
"You have discouraged the righteous with your lies, but I didn’t want them to be sad. And you have encouraged the wicked by promising them life, even though they continue in their sins." Ez.13:22 NLT
apollos6640 8 months ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones... Calvinists Apologetics James White has said that God has decreed every child rape, every murder otherwise etc otherwise its "purposeless evil". Imagine that... if a child is eever raped or murdered by a 50 year-old pedophile, confort the parents by telling them to GLORIFY the SOVEREIGNTY of God, because the rapist/murderer was only a puppet in the hands of GOD fulfilling His predestined SOVEREIGN WILL because we know he wasn't "Free" to have done otherwise
apollos6640 8 months ago
@apollos6640 James White's theology disgusts me and revolts me to the core. His thinking symbolizes everything that is sickening about Calvinism.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 8 months ago
The logical end conclusion of calvinism was, is and remains that god himself is the author of sin. Which makes the calvinist call for 'repentance' a travesty.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 8 months ago
Calvinism; God creates men DEAD in their mothers womb PREDESTINED for DAMNATION "Before having done anything either good or bad" preprogrammed to Sin & ONLY sin, created in the image of Satan, TOTALLY DEPRAVED at the moment of Conception, lacking ANY ability to Repent or Beg for mercy--while secretely having a Masterlist of vessels ALREADY ELECTED for Heaven.
apollos6640 8 months ago
@prn72271 Oh I'm sorry, brother. Ha whoops, yeah you're exactly right. That's a different gospel and a different "God".
TheKJVberean 8 months ago
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TheKJVberean 8 months ago
@TheKJVberean you misunderstood me. Read my comment again.
I fully understand and agree with what you are saying.
prn72271 8 months ago
@CBALLEN Whats up man!
a cult always mixes false with the truth. Cults believing that Jesus came to save all men doesnt mean one single thing and you know that..
Do you know of any cults that dont believe Jesus is the Savior?
prn72271 8 months ago
@prn72271 A Christian cult is mainly defined by what they believe about Jesus.The difference between Calvinism and Arminianism is C-s believe that Jesus will not fail,A-s claim He will.The Bible says God's will will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven,A-s deny this,they believe that God is trying but failing to save all men,the Bible is clear that only the sheep will believe and these sheep were chosen in eternity past and all sheep will be saved at some point in their lives.
CBALLEN 8 months ago
@CBALLEN Excellent point! Exactly right. Arminians believe that God is helpless & man has all the power. Calvanists believe that man is helpless and God has all the power.
solomonwisearse 8 months ago
@CBALLEN I dont know where this Jesus is going to fail thing comes from. sorry but It is absolute nonsense
IF God just picks whom to say and it has nothing to do with people then He has failed in not saving all. What in earth is the point of sending people to hell for fun?
God's overall will is done yes but that doesnt mean that he is forcing people to believe and others He just says TO HELL WITH YOU!
Sheep being chosen never negates choice, this is what you fail at big time.
prn72271 7 months ago
@prn72271 The Bible means what it says,and it says that God has chosen His people before the foundation of the world according to THE PURPOSE OF HIS WILL .Eph 1 4:11.Why don't you trust what God says?We are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH.No one has saving faith in themselves that they muster up and then trade it to God for His salvation.God had 2 groups before time,1 to save and 1 to use in other ways,all things were created for a specific purpose,even the wicked for the day of evil.
CBALLEN 7 months ago
@CBALLEN Eph 1:11 talking how Jews were selected.
prn72271 6 months ago
@prn72271 Not according to scripture What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had before prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he has called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? God has chosen His elect from both Jew and Gentile.If we are saved we are children of promise,these are the elect.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@prn72271 What do you understand this verse to mean? Is.55:11so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN when did God speak that He would save you individually? Gods purposes prevail but to link that to individual salvation is ridiculous that is obviously not what Is 55:11 is asserting.
prn72271 6 months ago
@prn72271 The verse is clear,in light of reality and other scriptures.When the Gospel of God is preached some will believe while others never will,now since God's word NEVER RETURNS VOID and always accomplishes it's purpose,this means that His word saves the sheep and reprobates the rest at the very same time.'
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "God's word NEVER RETURNS VOID " always accomplishes it's purpose"
Your misuse of this verse has been exposed REPEATEDLY. Salvation is a GIFT, & as such it can be refused - God's word is perfectly fulfilled & doesn't return to Him void when He receives AN ANSWER to His call, whatever it might be. Such willful distortions when you KNOW the truth exposes you as a worker of iniquity whose only purpose is to deceive & destroy others with false doctrines - & you WON"T escape judgment!
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
Wolfe You have no true answer for Isiah 55:11,you can only say it's twisted by me,but I believe God's word always accomplishes what it was sent out to do and reality bares out exactly what the verse says.Open theism is an assault on God's attributes and character,your belief has reduced God to no more than an exalted man who is ignorant of the future.God knows all,sees all,is everywhere at once and has power over all.You confuse God's revealing Himself to man anthropomorphically as ignorance.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "You have no true answer for Isiah 55:11"
My refutation of your twisting of Isa55:11 into a pretzel to support your abominations is absolutely true & it's YOU who has no answer for it! Verses such as Lk7:30 also bears witness against your blasphemous interpretation - "But the Pharisees & lawyers annulled & rejected & BROUGHT TO NOTHING GOD'S PURPOSE concerning themselves, by refusing & not being baptized by John (the Baptist)" They CHOSE to reject God's will that they be saved.
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe What does it mean then?
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "What does it mean then?"
Take time out from creating deceptive ways to set aside, change, add & subtract from God's word to actually READ what someone posts! Concentrate: Salvation is a GIFT, & as such it can be REFUSED. therefore God's word is PERFECTLY fulfilled & doesn't return to Him void when He receives AN ANSWER to His call - no matter what the response might be. The Pharisees in Lk7:30 REJECTED God's call & their answer was returned to God - thus fulfilling Isa55:11.
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe You have not answered the question,if God is trying to save every individual who has ever lived and His word ALWAYS ACCOMPLISHES IT'S PURPOSE,then it logically stands that God's word is to save the sheep and damn the goats at the same time since this is the reality,unless of course ,you have become a Universalist and believe everyone gets saved in the end no matter what they believe.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN Your "question" about Isa55:11 has been completely answered MANY times - the reason you can't comprehend that Luke also answers it in Lk7:30 is because of those dark reformed sunglasses you wear which make you blind to the fact that man has been given a free will that allows him to reject God's will that he repent & not perish. You're blind to the fact that Lk7:30 clearly says "They rejected God's purpose for themselves" which directly contradicts & refutes your ENTIRE theology!
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe It's never been answered by you as far I can remember,you may have answered it when someone else asked it,but not to me.I,on the other hand have answered you about Lk 7:30 many,many times.Remember,a natural man can only choose a false god
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "It's never been answered by you as far I can remember"
LOL, your dishonesty is boundless! Put your hand on a bible & swear before God that you missed my explanation that since salvation is a GIFT & as such it can be refused - that God's word is perfectly fulfilled & doesn't return to Him void when He receives AN ANSWER to His call - WHATEVER if might be. I don't care if you agree or not but with God as your witness go ahead & claim again that I didn't answer you regarding Isa55:11.
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe For one thing Christians are not supposed to swear but let their yes be yes and no be no,and if God wants all who hear the gospel to be saved and it doesn't save them,then His word has failed according to Arminians,but we know it never fails,it does EXACTLY what it's supposed to do and that is to actually save the SHEEP and actually damn the Goats,so all you gave right then is a man centered non- answer.It is God that adds to the church,not man.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "For one thing Christians are not supposed to swear but let their yes be yes & no be no"
Evasive - 1st, that verse has NOTHING to do with swearing that you're telling the truth before God & 2nd, you still didn't even answer the question with a "yes or no"! So acknowledge that I answered your question about Isa55:11 - that God's word doesn't return to Him void regardless of the answer because salvation is a GIFT which He allows to be rejected. God is a witness to your "yes or no"
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
"Why does God send out a "General Call" to sinners to repent who have ALREADY been fashioned for the Lake of Fire, where Jesus NEVER died for them to begin with? What a worthless "Call of repentance"!"
God doesn't tell us who the elect are,He tells us to preach to every creature for the purpose of His word accomplishing what it was sent to do.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe Jack your answer to anything is it's man's choice regardless of the question,so no,you've never addressed or answered the question in an exegetical way,lol.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "Your answer to anything is it's man's choice regardless of the question."
You're a confirmed liar & now also guilty of bearing false witness - the bible records MANY instances of God's sovereign acts but forcing salvation on certain people against their wills while withholding it from others isn't found ANYWHERE in the bible - you FORCE that between the lines of all the prooftexts you ripped out of the bible, including Isa55:11. I've invoked God to be a witness against your lies
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@CBALLEN surely when God says that His word never returns void He is not saying that he chooses whom to save. Gods utilmate purpose always comes to past but that doesnt mean that every time he speaks people will obey. Thats ridiculous.
prn72271 3 months ago
@prn72271 So then sometimes God's word doesn't accomplish what it was sent out to do? To believe that way means God's word is not true all the time.God's word always accomplishes what it was sent to do everytime He sends it,no exceptions.God's eternal decrees are always done by every creature alive ,every second of day and they have been done from the beginning of time.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN so then God is responsible and has decreed every sin ever committed then. What utter foolishness you are talking. That is a wicked and terrible statement you have made.
Do you not see how stupid that is?
prn72271 3 months ago
@prn72271 All sin starts in man's heart,man loves sin and wants to sin all the time,God merely chooses the sin men will commit to fulfill His decree,study your Bible and stop depending on ignorant preachers who repeat error.God's word will ultimately,save His sheep and damns the goats.Study,study,study.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN "study your Bible & stop depending on ignorant preachers who repeat error.God's word will ultimately,save His sheep & damns the goats.Study,study,study."
Another laugh from one of the most inept Calvinists on YouTube - your ignorance is only exceeded by your evasion & deception. You evade verses that directly contradict your filthy doctrines such as Lk7:30, Mt22:8-14, Rom5:18, Acts17:29-30, etc & to misuse others such as Isa63:17 which have all been exposed as Satanic manipulations.
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe Open Theists have traded the God of the Bible for a god more controllable,one more to the liking of fallen man.They believe that God has created men to be His partners in molding the future and helpers in all of His decisions. Open Theism is inconsistent and can not be defended Biblically this inconsistency is the first sign of a failed argument and is the reason why people need to reject Open Theism and Open Theists as heretics, Jack Wolfe is a prime example of O.T.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN LOL. 1st, the discussion is about YOUR contradictions with the bible, YOUR evasion of scores of verses, & YOUR deceptive manipulation of God's word which you just showed by ripping Isa63:17 out of context & adding filthy doctrines to it. 2nd, your belief about foreknowledge was your response to God's promise in Ex6:6-8 to bring the Israelites into the Land vs the fact they instead died in the desert - you said God lied to them, always intended to destroy them, & tough if no one likes it
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe The discussion is about who God is and who He's not,He IS all knowing and all powerful,He' is not ignorant and He's not wringing His hands hoping people will "get saved",He already knows ALL His sheep and He also knows ALL the goats,He knew ALL this before time,He also doesn't depend on man for ANYTHING,He counts the people of Earth as dust.He saves people for His Glory alone and nothing else.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe Don't forget,God inhabits eternity meaning,He knows the past,present and future perfectly and that included He knows every word,thought and deed of every man before time ever began.Now,repent and believe or else.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN Isa57:15 says "For thus says the high & lofty One--He Who inhabits eternity, Whose name is Holy: I dwell in the high & holy place, but with him also who is of a thoroughly penitent & humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble & to revive the heart of the penitent" NOTHING you said is in this verse, especially about God knowing, desiring, & decreeing that people rebel against Him & be destroyed. NONE of your abominations are found in the bible, not even in the verses you cite!
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe He inhabits ETERNITY,meaning,He knows absolutely EVERYTHING.There is nothing that a human can say,think or do a 1,000 or a million yrss from now, that God didn't already know before time ever made it's first tick.God inhabiting eternity means Open Theism is destroyed at it's very root,since O.Ts teach that God is trapped in His own creation,time.The reason He knows every thing is because He has appointed everything to happen ,our steps , words and salvation, even your heresy..
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN Isa57:15 only says that God is an eternal being, but just as you did with Isa63:17 you mixed your perverted abominations with it to make a deadly concoction of Kalvin Kool-aid that will poison anyone who driinks it. EVERY verse you misuse has been proven to be a Satanic manipulation - like the devil did with Christ, you try to lure people into jumping off a building by adding falsehoods to God's Word. You're a son of Satan himself, a confirmed liar speaking by a filthy, lying demon.
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe " Isa57:15 only says that God is an eternal being,"
There you go lying about scripture again.It says that HE INHABITS ETERNITY,this is part of His OMNIPRESENCE,this is why Open Theism fails big time.Of course you must twist and deny what scripture is actually saying because the implications are so devastating to your cultic belief system. So what part of inhabits eternity do you not understand?
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN LOL, a perfect example of what Calvinism is all about - deception by prooftexting & adding & subtracting from God's word. Isa57:15 about God "inhabiting eternity" says NOTHING, ZERO, NADA about what you try to force into it & the rest of the chapter, even the next verse refutes it anyway - referring to God's destruction of those who rebel although it wasn't His purpose for creating them! You're constantly being refuted by even the verses YOU cite! What a self-deceived liar & fool!
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe LOL,you've never refuted me,but more importantly,you've never refuted God's word.God's word is inerrant and does not contradict itself,like you' and Apollyon would have us believe.God inhabits past,present and future simultaneously,how's that?Does that help you understand any better?This is irrefutable ,God has chosen His people before time in eternity past,He's already told Christians this in many places in His word,you just can't understand,you're blind , deaf,& lost.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN God's word indeed doesn't contradict itself but it does contradict your filthy doctrines which blaspheme the TRUE God of grace & mercy & try to turn Him into a tyrant & a liar who creates helpless people for the sole purpose of destroying them after giving them FAKE calls to repent & withholding their ability to obey. You worship & follow Satan & reflect his exact character - a pathological liar with no conscience & you blaspheme the Holy Spirit, You're a walking dead man - a corpse.
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe "LOL, a perfect example of what Calvinism is all about - deception by prooftexting & adding & subtracting from God's word. '
Lol,the whole Bible is a proof text for reformed people,because it's true! Talk about adding,subtracting and twisting and you have Jack Wolfe.You can't take any plain text and NOT twist,add or subtract,we've all seen how you can't walk through any clear passage without tainting it to say something it's not intended to say.You a a ridiculous little man.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN "the whole Bible is a proof text for reformed people"
The bible is no friend of Calvinists - your manipulations of what it ACTUALLY says have been exposed repeatedly all over YouTube such as Isa63:17 & Isa57:15 - & you've also EVADED dozens of verses that directly contradict your abominations such as Mt22:8-14 which says salvation is by INVITATION & for ALL people & Acts17:29-30 which says ALL men are God's children & the gospel is for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. You're a confirmed liar!
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe What part of Inhabiting eternity do you not understand?
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe What part of inhabits eternity don't you understand?Where does the Bible say God is trapped in His own Creation,time?You can't find even a hint of such a ridiculous doctrine except in your tiny mind and the other tiny minds of Open Theists.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@prn72271 Is 63:17 O LORD, why do you make us wander from your ways and harden our heart, so that we fear you not?....
Wow,God is the one who makes us wander from HIS WAYS and Hardens our hearts so that we won't fear Him! I guess this is ridiculous too huh?That's why you need to study,let the Bible define itself,don't say "If God doesn't do it like I would I'll just make up another god to worship".
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN "Is 63:17 O LORD, why do you make us wander from your ways & harden our heart, so that we fear you not? Wow,God is the one who makes us wander from HIS WAYS & Hardens our hearts so that we won't fear Him"
LOL, good demonstration of how Calvinists rip isolated verses from the bible to support their abominations! When the WHOLE chapter is read it says this was God's judgment against them for their rebellion - just as He's blinded YOU for yours & for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@JackMWolfe "When the WHOLE chapter is read it says this was God's judgment against them for their rebellion "
Any time God moves away from someone their hearts become hardened and they don't fear Him,this is just another example showing why man can't follow God and keep His law unless God is active in restraining them,proving that unless God is causing someone to come to Jesus they never will in their natural state.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN You were caught manipulating Isa63:17 & respond with MORE evasion, deception, & fallacious arguments trying to cover it up. The chapter is VERY clear - these were God's people who He called His sons but then they rebelled against Him, grieved the Holy Spirit, & God became their enemy. Saying God not only knew it but planned it adds to your OWN grieving of the Spirit & blasphemy against Him. I'd tell YOU to repent, but your sin is unforgivable & you already KNOW what you say are lies.
JackMWolfe 3 months ago
@prn72271 You do believe that God knows all things right?In 2Peter 3:9 you must realize that God knew His own before time began,and since this has been established in many scriptures you must ask yourself,Why would God be patiently waiting on people He knows will never be saved and that He knew these goats before time?God is not senile,He has always known both the sheep and goats,and if He was waiting on the goats to come,then that would make God ignorant of His elect.,God's not ignorant.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "He has always known both the sheep & goats,& if He was waiting on the goats to come,then that would make God ignorant of His elect."
A fallacious argument refuted EVERY time you make it! The bible is CLEAR that when He puts man to a test of obedience, God doesn't foreknow their choice eg, Gen22:12 "Do not lay your hand on the lad or do anything to him; for NOW I KNOW that you fear & revere God.." Their decision to obey or not is holy to God & even protected from His scrutiny.
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe Jack no one cares about your ignorant,open theist god,a god who has to learn as he goes.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN It has nothing to do with God learning - He knows every choice we can make & what the results of each will be but He gives each man the free will to decide for themselves to trust & obey Him or not. You choose NOT to but instead to put your faith in a demonic concoction of heretical doctrines that pervert the true gospel into BAD NEWS for the majority of mankind & misrepresents the God of the bible as a dirtbag who creates helpless people only to cast them into hell - pure blasphemy!
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe Everyone is well aware of your deception and false god.Get thee behind me SATAN!
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN "Everyone is well aware of your deception & false god.Get thee behind me SATAN!"
The opposite has been shown but you've provided one important truth - that the end of Calvinism's dark, demonic road results in blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Calvinists spend lots of time trying to make their unbiblical doctrines appear orthodox on the surface, but when the false veneer is stripped away it's source is exposed as Satan himself & its agenda is blaspheming God by perverting His word.
JackMWolfe 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe Man's "free will" is unable to choose Christ,it can only choose evil,and cannot ever obey GodRomans 8:7.because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@JackMWolfe " It has nothing to do with God learning- He knows every choice we can make & what the results of each will be"Gen22:12 "Do not lay your hand on the lad or do anything to him; for NOW I KNOW that you fear & revere God.."
This is an example of God revealing Himself to man in an anthropomorphic way,God knew exactly what Abraham would do,it was an example to us.When God asked "Adam,where are you" or"let us go down and see what they're doing"does this mean God didn't know?Certainly not
CBALLEN 6 months ago
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@prn72271 "Eph 1:11 talking how Jews were selected."
It most certainly is not speaking of the Jewish nation,it's being addressed exclusively to BELIEVERS IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST,about all believers, past present and future.God chose HIS PEOPLE BEFORE TIME -TO BELIEVE IN JESUS.Read all of Ephs. 1,study,study,study.
CBALLEN 3 months ago
@CBALLEN Eph 1:4-11 is speaking exclusively of believers,those of Paul's day and all believers (the elect) of the future.God's word is telling us that He alone has chosen who He will save and since not all Israel is Israel,we know that the children of promise are both Jew and Gentile,the children of promise are spiritual Israel.2 Peter 3:9 is telling the same story,God is not willing that any believer perish,that's why Jesus hadn't come back yet,so all the sheep could be born and saved.
CBALLEN 6 months ago
@CBALLEN If you read this carefully you will see that God has chosen people in Christ. This is what I feel the crux of the passage is. God desire was to save people through Christ not that he was just picking people out for salvation. Read again.
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
prn72271 6 months ago
@prn72271 "I dont know where this Jesus is going to fail thing comes from. sorry but It is absolute nonsense"
Such statements come from the blasphemy of God's character which undergirds Calvinism's pillars - CBAllen has reached the end of Calvin's apostate road & also blasphemes the Holy Spirit too. No one can recover from that sin so save your breath with this reprobate - he's crossed the line & can NEVER return to the truth even if he wanted to. PM me & I'll give you details. Avoid!
JackMWolfe 7 months ago
5th, as you can also see, Calvinists assert that Adam was tempted beyond his ability to resist which contradicts 1Cor10:13 & blasphemes God by claiming His command to not eat of the tree was a ruse - that His actual will was for Adam to disobey & fall into sin. 6th, as you can also see, Calvinism totally disrupts the sanctification process of those trapped in this heresy, they accept & are completely comfortable with living in sin - it's a totally powerless belief system, a doctrine of demons.
JackMWolfe 8 months ago
@JackMWolfe Thank you for your time and insights :) Peace
ossiezig8 8 months ago
@ossiezig "You're very insightful & convincing. I don't see any scripture twisting here so far from you so I do disagree with Jack's accusation"
This shows you're either confused or a complete phony. His ridiculous argument that God allowing no one to be tested beyond their ability to resist didn't apply to Adam & that God WANTED him to disobey & sin is blasphemous nonsense. If you think that's "insightful & convincing" then you go right ahead & drink that Kalvin Kool-aid! What an idiot.
JackMWolfe 8 months ago
@JackMWolfe How is his argument "ridiculous"? Hebrews 8:8 quotes Jeremiah 31 which says that God will make a new covenant with us. Wasn't the promise made in 1 Cor 10:13 given to us as part of the new covenant? Adam was not part of this covenant, was he? Also, the fall and redemption of man being decreed before the foundations of the world is backed by scripture, so Solomon's point is solid & I respectfully haven't seen a convcining retort from you. Do true christians call each other idiots?
ossiezig8 8 months ago
@ossiezig 1st, Calvinism isn't Christian - you need to wake up to the fact they have a limited, condemned gospel & blaspheme God by claiming He creates helpless people for the sole purpose of destroying them. The REAL gospel is found in verses such as Acts17:29-30 - ALL men are God's children & the gospel is for ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE. 2nd, 1Cor10:13 has NOTHING to do with any covenants but with God's nature - He would never allow ANYONE, ANYTIME to be tested beyond their capacity to resist.
JackMWolfe 8 months ago