The fact that anything by Bach has been lost is almost unbearable. It;s always nice when something is found. Mendelsohn was part of a performance of a Bach funeral motet for double orchestra....It doesn't survive today. How they could have let that happened is simply beyond belief. BTW the manuscript with the signature shown here is quite nice. Is it available as a tee shirt?
@bachkirche What "funeral motet for double orchestra"? You must mean the St, Matthew Passion. This is not a lost work. It's all over Utube. The original score in Bach's hand, and the original performing parts, survive. Most of Bach's Leipzig vocal music is preserved at the St. Thomas School. Mendelsohn gave the 1st *public* performance *outside* Leipzig, not the 1st performance.
@wcbroccoli I own a color facsimile of the St. Mathew Passion and I have sung it once; I know the work well. I once read that in Mendelsohn's time they performed a funeral mass for two choirs that was subsequently lost. I cannot find that quote so perhaps (and I hope) it is incorrect. I will continue to look for it.
@bachkirche (I assume you meant motet, not mass.) I tend to doubt this. By the 1820s, when he set out to perform the St. Matthew Passion under the auspices of the Berlin Sing-Akademie to which his grandfather had donated his purchases from the CPE Bach musical estate, the known Leipzig motets (all for funerals and all but 1 double chorus) had already become available in a printed score and were still being performed by the St. Thomas School which possessed the original performing parts.
@wcbroccoli And if you really did mean "funeral mass for two choirs", for whose funeral would Bach have been writing a mass, particularly one for double chorus?
I doubt that anyone in Bach's time composed double chorus masses.
@bachkirche In WW2 the archives of the Berlin Sing-Akademie were taken by the Soviets. Recently, these archives, which included the CPE Bach musical estate purchased by Mendelossohn's grandfather, were recovered from the Ukraine. They did not include any works by J.S. Bach. However, they did include (1) a double chorus funeral motet by his uncle, Johann Christoph Bach, which J.S Bach wanted performed at his own funeral and (2) the continuo part in the hand of J.S. Bach.
@bachkirche Bach left most of his music to his 2 eldest sons WF and CPE. When CPE died, Mendelssohn's grandfather purchased the music in CPE's estate and donated it to the Berlin Sing-Akademie, under whose auspices the young Mendelssohn was able to give public concert performances the St. Matthew Passion and other Bach church pieces.
@bachkirche In early 18th c. Germany music was rarely printed as this was very expensive. The most common method of music publication was circulation via hand copies. Bach rarely printed his music, but he did circluate some works in hand copies, and his many students also made copies. As a result, even before his death, some of his keyboard works were known in England, Austria, France, and Italy, as well as Germany, via hand copies.
actually it was quite normal in Italy BEFORE Bach
st1969 11 months ago 3
i like the echo
Bataja706 1 year ago
The fact that anything by Bach has been lost is almost unbearable. It;s always nice when something is found. Mendelsohn was part of a performance of a Bach funeral motet for double orchestra....It doesn't survive today. How they could have let that happened is simply beyond belief. BTW the manuscript with the signature shown here is quite nice. Is it available as a tee shirt?
bachkirche 1 year ago 2
@bachkirche What "funeral motet for double orchestra"? You must mean the St, Matthew Passion. This is not a lost work. It's all over Utube. The original score in Bach's hand, and the original performing parts, survive. Most of Bach's Leipzig vocal music is preserved at the St. Thomas School. Mendelsohn gave the 1st *public* performance *outside* Leipzig, not the 1st performance.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@wcbroccoli I own a color facsimile of the St. Mathew Passion and I have sung it once; I know the work well. I once read that in Mendelsohn's time they performed a funeral mass for two choirs that was subsequently lost. I cannot find that quote so perhaps (and I hope) it is incorrect. I will continue to look for it.
bachkirche 1 year ago
@bachkirche (I assume you meant motet, not mass.) I tend to doubt this. By the 1820s, when he set out to perform the St. Matthew Passion under the auspices of the Berlin Sing-Akademie to which his grandfather had donated his purchases from the CPE Bach musical estate, the known Leipzig motets (all for funerals and all but 1 double chorus) had already become available in a printed score and were still being performed by the St. Thomas School which possessed the original performing parts.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@wcbroccoli And if you really did mean "funeral mass for two choirs", for whose funeral would Bach have been writing a mass, particularly one for double chorus?
I doubt that anyone in Bach's time composed double chorus masses.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@bachkirche In WW2 the archives of the Berlin Sing-Akademie were taken by the Soviets. Recently, these archives, which included the CPE Bach musical estate purchased by Mendelossohn's grandfather, were recovered from the Ukraine. They did not include any works by J.S. Bach. However, they did include (1) a double chorus funeral motet by his uncle, Johann Christoph Bach, which J.S Bach wanted performed at his own funeral and (2) the continuo part in the hand of J.S. Bach.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@bachkirche Bach left most of his music to his 2 eldest sons WF and CPE. When CPE died, Mendelssohn's grandfather purchased the music in CPE's estate and donated it to the Berlin Sing-Akademie, under whose auspices the young Mendelssohn was able to give public concert performances the St. Matthew Passion and other Bach church pieces.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
@bachkirche In early 18th c. Germany music was rarely printed as this was very expensive. The most common method of music publication was circulation via hand copies. Bach rarely printed his music, but he did circluate some works in hand copies, and his many students also made copies. As a result, even before his death, some of his keyboard works were known in England, Austria, France, and Italy, as well as Germany, via hand copies.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
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wcbroccoli 1 year ago
How are his Pieces "New Discovered"? Do they find his catalogues laying in dust hahah or what I'm curious.
eddiemperor 2 years ago
Good payin' bad recording
who's playin, anyhow, 'ts not nice tellin' us nothin
Isosphere 3 years ago
@Isosphere Good playing AND good recording.
wcbroccoli 1 year ago
The piece you have pictured is the newly discovered Aria from Bach's Weimar days. It's got nothing to do with the piece playing!
BandaCaminoAlNorte 3 years ago 2