I agree that Muslims SHOULD be ABLE to build it there...but I'm afraid for their safety if they do it. People are just too arrogant and ignorant these days and people will just do something terrible to them.
Actually Obama put his foot in his mouth while eating with some terrorists at an If-tar dinner on a Friday night and then recanted (tried to take his foot out of his mouth) the following Saturday morning (because every leftist, socialist, & progressive called his ignorant ass and schooled him on how he was alienating the entire country & making impossible for any of their asses to get re-elected. ) ~ Hey Opie, where do you get your news? huffpo newsweek? msnbc? GOT BIAS?
This shit only gets 500 views and 33% of the people who even bother to vote, hate you muddafuckin ass. :-) I see in your future.....Ding...Frys Ready! :-) Poor Opie ~ wah wah wah
I believe that they should build the Community Center exactly as and where planned. If true Americans can see beyond the rhetoric, they would see this as an opportunity to live up to the tenets of the Constitution. This would finally say to the world that we live up to our ideals of freedom. It would also stand as an argument to the radicals out there who claim America is arrogant and stand as a testament to our rights of life, liberty & pursuit of happiness regardless of race, creed or faith
Joe, how old are you? How old were you when the attacks on the World Trade Center were carried out? Have you ever either served, or intended to serve in the U.S. Military? Don't you realize what's going on? Radical Muslims have been behind all of the attacks on the U.S. Now, by their desire to build a mosque occupied by a building that was hit by the landing gear of one of the planes. And now, they're rubbing our collective noses in it. Study history, Joe. You're the next generation!
as for needing to work on our PR, yep thats true for sure. but the only way we can do that is by being better muslims by knowing islam well enough to be able to explain islam not only by quotes from the quran but by how we live our lives.
in this case, i feel like muslims need to take a stand.
also, you really need to check out this video and that article. seriously. i'm only telling you this cause i like you.
as nihilTico said, americans need to "recognize that the people who participated in the attack are not the same kind of people who wish to practice their religion peacefully."
if the muslims in new york give in to the demands to change the location, they give up on that. it's like sending a silent message to all the bigots out there who are saying that all muslims are terrorists, that we are terrorists and we're very sorry for what we did to you on 9/11 so we'll get out of your sight.
i feel sympathy for all victims of 9/11, but do not forget that muslims also died in 9/11. how do you think their surviving family members feel now that they have to go on with their lives and people judge them for their religion and hold them responsible for the event that took the lives of their husbands, fathers, mothers, co-workers, neighbors. how would you feel if someone killed your father and held you responsible every day of your life?
first of all, i'm a muslim, so i'm slightly surprised at myself because you said you don't support the location of the mosque and for once i'm actually not offended. because your intentions are good, i'll tell you why as a muslim, i do not support changing the location of the mosque.
there are many reasons, but the first one that stands out in my mind is:
if they move the location, it's like admitting guilt, it's like saying we all had something to do with 9/11.
@amnakae Hey there! Thank you for all the well thought out comments. I'm sorry if either you misunderstood me or I poorly made my point, but I don't support moving the community center. I rarely make my real beliefs known, but since you wrote so many comments, I can tell you that I'm really apathetic about it.
By that I mean, if Muslims want to build it, let them. If they want to move it, let them. I'm also not going to go on a rallying cry like some liberals, because the Imam had to of known..
@amnakae ..he was going to get this response from a majority of Americans.
By building it there, they're not bringing any positive attention to Muslim-Americans, which is a shame. Instead, they're alienating themselves from Americans who don't know the facts you spelled out (they died in 9/11, too, etc.).
But at the end of the day (to quote every athlete ever), I personally don't have a problem with them building it. My problem is that the Left & Right seem to love accusing each other of...
@amnakae ...trampling on the Constitution. Obviously the Right does it (2nd Amendment defenders), and it seems the Left is excited, because they get to say it right back to them for once.
Both sides have turned this non-issue into media hysteria. The Imam should have known someone would politicize the location, and that's all I was saying.
The only compromise I was suggesting, was that IF they did decide to move because of opposition, perhaps it would show average-Joe Americans that Muslims..
@amnakae ..aren't the cold-hearted terrorists they seem to associate all Muslims with. The Imam forcing this construction despite protests can easily be turned into a bad narrative by some GOP campaign staffer. The Imam saying, "How can we work together on this & how can I get you to come learn about our religion, so you see we aren't terrorists" bodes much better.
In the end (I know, I said that a few times), I'm just looking for people to avoid their blind Left/Right ideology to at least...
@amnakae Total BS reason. You want it there intentionally to commemorate your "victory" over infidel West. But to be truthful is not in your culture. Just read "1001 nights stories" and one could see exactly what I am talking about...
Hope America will wake up soon from its liberalism.
I would build a Falafel Stand in lower Manhattan. A fried ball made from ground chickpeas and/or fava beans would surely catch on with the Tea Bag crowd and it goes perfectly with a warm cup of tea!
Agreed Baur. The terrorists target weren't the towers itself, weren't the 3000 lifes they took, but to make USA lower to their level, forgetting the roots the constitution came from. The day you guys become as radicals as they are, would be the day they finally defeat the freedom you were made for. By the way, best wishes for you here from Brazil, great job dude.
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The GZM may be built in time for the 10th anniversary of 9/11. The imam and his congregation will surely join in the ceremonies, sincerely. let's say. They will pray in arabic during it....allahu akbar, allahu akbar...the same prayers the hijackers screamed as they slit the flight crews' throats, as they slammed into the buildings. The same prayers that the muslims worldwide cheered in their mosques, dancing in the streets, exulting over the infidel victims' deaths. The hell w/ that.
@TheSanityInspector "Allahu Akbar", translated in English is "God is great". Sounds very familiar especially in Christian circles yet I don't think anyone ever complains when they say it. Our first typical instinct is to say that any Christian radicals are "deceived" or "fallen from Christ" because we know how to differentiate moderates from extremists yet why can't we do it for other faiths?
Hey Baur, great script! The best way to fight intolerance is rubbing in their face the hypocrisy that feeds it. It won't be even a proper mosque, but a community center with a prayer room, YMCA type. Iman Raulf is among the ones who most fight intolerance, building a bridge between Muslims, Christians and Jews, but bigots equal him as terrorist and Nazi, tell me about radicalism. As for ground zero, why not build there an Afghan cave? These idiots think Bin Laden is hid there anyway.
@MrBrunodpnunes I agree with the "best way to fight intolerance" sentiment. I have said, and left out only because of time, that allowing this to go through would be a giant F-U to the terrorists, showing off our freedom of religion and whatnot.
Honestly , it doesn't matter to me where they build it, its like saying you can't build a church in Istanbul because the Crusaders sacked it. I think building it will serve to defeat the extremist element of the religion by showing that we aren't destroying the religion, show that we embrace religious tolerance and move past the events of 9/11, meaning that we recognize that the people who participated in the attack are not the same kind of people who wish to practice their religion peacefully.
I can see why it may upset some people though in my opinion, I feel it's a bit generalizing to include those Muslims with the more radical wings.
I kind of appreciate the move though. They're planning on having a large 9/11 memorial inside the Islamic center for the victims who died during the terrorist attacks. To me, I'd like to see this as the more moderate Muslims defending their faith against the terrorist hijackers though I'm sure that can be spun to some sort of talking point.
@rba718 Yeah, it's a tough one. It's definitely not as black and white as the left and right talking points make it seem.
Ultimately, I would've loved if they could've built it without anyone bothering them, but pushing through with this, upsetting people (not me, mind you), they're not helping their rep, which is in dire need of a makeover (Tim Gunn, where you at!?).
I think if they were to move, SOME people on the right would see Muslims as more reasonable than they probably do now.
I honestly dont care what RG HEAD BACKWARDS RELIGIOUS ZEALOT FAG HAGS THINK THEYRE FILTHY DISGUSTING STINKY AND NEED TO DIE
altaqqadum96 4 months ago
I agree that Muslims SHOULD be ABLE to build it there...but I'm afraid for their safety if they do it. People are just too arrogant and ignorant these days and people will just do something terrible to them.
xoaminahxo 1 year ago
you deserve more subscribers. Perhaps develop a British accent? Grow bangs over your eyes? Speed your voice recording up a bit?
Well, maybe it's just me. I like this kinda stuff and being a bit Gay, you are cute.
unabnats 1 year ago
@unabnats You think I deserve more subscribers? Well then tell your friends and FORCE them to subscribe :).
Thank you for the kind words!
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
Actually Obama put his foot in his mouth while eating with some terrorists at an If-tar dinner on a Friday night and then recanted (tried to take his foot out of his mouth) the following Saturday morning (because every leftist, socialist, & progressive called his ignorant ass and schooled him on how he was alienating the entire country & making impossible for any of their asses to get re-elected. ) ~ Hey Opie, where do you get your news? huffpo newsweek? msnbc? GOT BIAS?
jcarcopo 1 year ago
@jcarcopo What a dick
codywrite 10 months ago
Hey Joe "Opie" Bower, what's the name of your lame college "Ska Band" you in? (Holla at my nuts, you hold that koran like I hold my dick!) :-)
jcarcopo 1 year ago
This shit only gets 500 views and 33% of the people who even bother to vote, hate you muddafuckin ass. :-) I see in your future.....Ding...Frys Ready! :-) Poor Opie ~ wah wah wah
jcarcopo 1 year ago
Why don't set your koran on fire and shove it up your Opie-ass because that's what they would do to your cracker-jack ass in Iran, Punk-Bitch
jcarcopo 1 year ago 3
This is kinda like Red Eye... only stupid. And if you disagree with me you're worse than Hitler!
k8dahl 1 year ago 3
I believe that they should build the Community Center exactly as and where planned. If true Americans can see beyond the rhetoric, they would see this as an opportunity to live up to the tenets of the Constitution. This would finally say to the world that we live up to our ideals of freedom. It would also stand as an argument to the radicals out there who claim America is arrogant and stand as a testament to our rights of life, liberty & pursuit of happiness regardless of race, creed or faith
mickeydee23 1 year ago
@mickeydee23 Great comment! Cheers :)
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
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mk181818 1 year ago
Joe, how old are you? How old were you when the attacks on the World Trade Center were carried out? Have you ever either served, or intended to serve in the U.S. Military? Don't you realize what's going on? Radical Muslims have been behind all of the attacks on the U.S. Now, by their desire to build a mosque occupied by a building that was hit by the landing gear of one of the planes. And now, they're rubbing our collective noses in it. Study history, Joe. You're the next generation!
RonN448 1 year ago
Ed Show w/ Cenk: Imam Helped FBI w/ Counterterrorism by theyoungturks on youtube
More U.S. News My Meetings With the Man Behind the Mosque
by Brad Gooch on thedailybeast
if you want to believe that you know the first thing about this community center, you should really read the above article and watch this video.
amnakae 1 year ago
More U.S. News My Meetings With the Man Behind the Mosque
by Brad Gooch
thedailybeast
amnakae 1 year ago
as for needing to work on our PR, yep thats true for sure. but the only way we can do that is by being better muslims by knowing islam well enough to be able to explain islam not only by quotes from the quran but by how we live our lives.
in this case, i feel like muslims need to take a stand.
also, you really need to check out this video and that article. seriously. i'm only telling you this cause i like you.
amnakae 1 year ago
as nihilTico said, americans need to "recognize that the people who participated in the attack are not the same kind of people who wish to practice their religion peacefully."
if the muslims in new york give in to the demands to change the location, they give up on that. it's like sending a silent message to all the bigots out there who are saying that all muslims are terrorists, that we are terrorists and we're very sorry for what we did to you on 9/11 so we'll get out of your sight.
amnakae 1 year ago
i feel sympathy for all victims of 9/11, but do not forget that muslims also died in 9/11. how do you think their surviving family members feel now that they have to go on with their lives and people judge them for their religion and hold them responsible for the event that took the lives of their husbands, fathers, mothers, co-workers, neighbors. how would you feel if someone killed your father and held you responsible every day of your life?
amnakae 1 year ago
first of all, i'm a muslim, so i'm slightly surprised at myself because you said you don't support the location of the mosque and for once i'm actually not offended. because your intentions are good, i'll tell you why as a muslim, i do not support changing the location of the mosque.
there are many reasons, but the first one that stands out in my mind is:
if they move the location, it's like admitting guilt, it's like saying we all had something to do with 9/11.
amnakae 1 year ago
@amnakae Hey there! Thank you for all the well thought out comments. I'm sorry if either you misunderstood me or I poorly made my point, but I don't support moving the community center. I rarely make my real beliefs known, but since you wrote so many comments, I can tell you that I'm really apathetic about it.
By that I mean, if Muslims want to build it, let them. If they want to move it, let them. I'm also not going to go on a rallying cry like some liberals, because the Imam had to of known..
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
@amnakae ..he was going to get this response from a majority of Americans.
By building it there, they're not bringing any positive attention to Muslim-Americans, which is a shame. Instead, they're alienating themselves from Americans who don't know the facts you spelled out (they died in 9/11, too, etc.).
But at the end of the day (to quote every athlete ever), I personally don't have a problem with them building it. My problem is that the Left & Right seem to love accusing each other of...
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
@amnakae ...trampling on the Constitution. Obviously the Right does it (2nd Amendment defenders), and it seems the Left is excited, because they get to say it right back to them for once.
Both sides have turned this non-issue into media hysteria. The Imam should have known someone would politicize the location, and that's all I was saying.
The only compromise I was suggesting, was that IF they did decide to move because of opposition, perhaps it would show average-Joe Americans that Muslims..
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
@amnakae ..aren't the cold-hearted terrorists they seem to associate all Muslims with. The Imam forcing this construction despite protests can easily be turned into a bad narrative by some GOP campaign staffer. The Imam saying, "How can we work together on this & how can I get you to come learn about our religion, so you see we aren't terrorists" bodes much better.
In the end (I know, I said that a few times), I'm just looking for people to avoid their blind Left/Right ideology to at least...
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
@amnakae ..consider other possible options.
As for your suggested reading, I recommend Roger Ebert's, "Then things I know about the mosque."
Again, I'm in no way shape or form against it being built there. And i thank you again for all of your well thought out comments.
Cheers!
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
@amnakae Total BS reason. You want it there intentionally to commemorate your "victory" over infidel West. But to be truthful is not in your culture. Just read "1001 nights stories" and one could see exactly what I am talking about...
Hope America will wake up soon from its liberalism.
mk181818 1 year ago 2
@amnakae BINGO! ~ WE ARE SAYING YOU HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. YOU ARE GUILTY OF SOMETHING ISLAM IS EVIL & YOU ARE TOO!
jcarcopo 1 year ago
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? A MUSLIM MOSQUE NEAR GROUND ZERO OR A CATHOLIC CHURCH NEAR A PLAYGROUND?
MarcusHolly 1 year ago
@MarcusHolly SOMEBODY watches The Daily Show...
Thanks for tuning in!
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
Bruno, you must have been really bored without iVote. But I agree: great show. As always. :)
ModernLiberal1 1 year ago
@ModernLiberal1 Whyyyyyy, thank you! Hope you'll keep humoring the show and tuning in!
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
I would build a Falafel Stand in lower Manhattan. A fried ball made from ground chickpeas and/or fava beans would surely catch on with the Tea Bag crowd and it goes perfectly with a warm cup of tea!
barbtube01 1 year ago
Agreed Baur. The terrorists target weren't the towers itself, weren't the 3000 lifes they took, but to make USA lower to their level, forgetting the roots the constitution came from. The day you guys become as radicals as they are, would be the day they finally defeat the freedom you were made for. By the way, best wishes for you here from Brazil, great job dude.
MrBrunodpnunes 1 year ago
@MrBrunodpnunes Thanks for the kind words and candor! Feel free to share with friends and thanks again for the support!
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
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The GZM may be built in time for the 10th anniversary of 9/11. The imam and his congregation will surely join in the ceremonies, sincerely. let's say. They will pray in arabic during it....allahu akbar, allahu akbar...the same prayers the hijackers screamed as they slit the flight crews' throats, as they slammed into the buildings. The same prayers that the muslims worldwide cheered in their mosques, dancing in the streets, exulting over the infidel victims' deaths. The hell w/ that.
TheSanityInspector 1 year ago
@TheSanityInspector "Allahu Akbar", translated in English is "God is great". Sounds very familiar especially in Christian circles yet I don't think anyone ever complains when they say it. Our first typical instinct is to say that any Christian radicals are "deceived" or "fallen from Christ" because we know how to differentiate moderates from extremists yet why can't we do it for other faiths?
rba718 1 year ago 2
Hey Baur, great script! The best way to fight intolerance is rubbing in their face the hypocrisy that feeds it. It won't be even a proper mosque, but a community center with a prayer room, YMCA type. Iman Raulf is among the ones who most fight intolerance, building a bridge between Muslims, Christians and Jews, but bigots equal him as terrorist and Nazi, tell me about radicalism. As for ground zero, why not build there an Afghan cave? These idiots think Bin Laden is hid there anyway.
MrBrunodpnunes 1 year ago
@MrBrunodpnunes I agree with the "best way to fight intolerance" sentiment. I have said, and left out only because of time, that allowing this to go through would be a giant F-U to the terrorists, showing off our freedom of religion and whatnot.
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
Honestly , it doesn't matter to me where they build it, its like saying you can't build a church in Istanbul because the Crusaders sacked it. I think building it will serve to defeat the extremist element of the religion by showing that we aren't destroying the religion, show that we embrace religious tolerance and move past the events of 9/11, meaning that we recognize that the people who participated in the attack are not the same kind of people who wish to practice their religion peacefully.
NihilTico 1 year ago 2
@NihilTico Great comment!
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago
I can see why it may upset some people though in my opinion, I feel it's a bit generalizing to include those Muslims with the more radical wings.
I kind of appreciate the move though. They're planning on having a large 9/11 memorial inside the Islamic center for the victims who died during the terrorist attacks. To me, I'd like to see this as the more moderate Muslims defending their faith against the terrorist hijackers though I'm sure that can be spun to some sort of talking point.
rba718 1 year ago
@rba718 Yeah, it's a tough one. It's definitely not as black and white as the left and right talking points make it seem.
Ultimately, I would've loved if they could've built it without anyone bothering them, but pushing through with this, upsetting people (not me, mind you), they're not helping their rep, which is in dire need of a makeover (Tim Gunn, where you at!?).
I think if they were to move, SOME people on the right would see Muslims as more reasonable than they probably do now.
MildlyRelevant 1 year ago