What is he going on about and 3% growth be a requisite of capitalism.
Capitalism is the economic system of individualism and freedom. It is the expression of freedom in an economic sense. This guy misinterprets what capitalism is all about.
"Oh come, that's an extreme" or "That's just a bad apple" or "This is just one bad screw"... just cop outs that seek the create a single straw man that keeps you from actually discussing the whole thing at large. You point out the pond and ignore the ocean!
I like that Harvey isn't some stonefaced bore and actually engages with the interviewer without getting hostile/dismissive, unlike most HARDtalk guests
Like Plato said the logical step down from an oligarchy is a lawless democracy. Here here to the new democratic states of the middle east uprising lol. How long before our planet is overruled by tyrannical monsters? 20 perhaps 30 years?
omg i hate bbc 'HARDtalk', the interviewers are never intelligent fair-minded intellectuals capable of rational discussion, just hard-nosed reporter types.
The Egyptian people are showing us how it could be done! However, when it really comes to dispossessing the capital class the generals won't be neutral and will order their soldiers to open fire. We'll see if the army sticks with people in Eygypt if they ask the military to give up some of the wealth its has accumlated. I pray the rank and file will not betray the revolution!
Capitalism is fundamentally amoral. Good and Evil, simply do not enter the equation. In capitalism there is only profit and loss. This will always be the case. You must decide whether morality will be a part of our future or to have a capitalist system.
It would be very interesting to get the opinion of someone like Lloyd Blankfein (and any other capitalist crook) on the HARDtalk hot seat to give their opinion on future economic systems....Yes, very interesting indeed :D
''Her argument about the house and the flat screen TV is nonsense''. Honestly, have you vultures no idea or empathy for the autonomy of the individual themselves to decide what they are happy with? (You probably all labour under the false consciousness myth on that). Point was what of the people who are happy with that and the poor who want that. Reply, well tough, they can't have it, others aren't doing so good so lets strip everyones personal liberties for someone elses idea of utopia.
@Underground906 "There are 2 billion people in the world living on less than $2 a day" but that's okay because some people have flat screen tvs? The standard of living in industrial countries under a capitalist system is only sustained by exploiting those people who do not live in industrialised developed countries.
@TheZajac123 You mangled the argument, rather typically. She said there are people in those foreign countries who do want the ''house and the flat screen tv'' (a metapohor for the comforts we have in the West). His repsonse is that have to see that ''well they can't get that'' and that capitalism has to go.
Prove Capitalism only works because it exploits people in the third world. There are cases of exploitation that are sad of course. Is that all of Capitalism. No, it's worst extremes.
@Underground906 The entire system of capitalism is based on exploitation of others. Name one capitalist system in the history of the world that has not directly or indirectly exploited others for profit. Prove capitalism could survive without exploitation.
@TheZajac123 All capitalism is exploitation? So an entreprenuer like R. Branson who puts his capital and ideas on the line to bring improved services to people and employs people to do jobs in his business they studied, enjoy, trained specifically for and are paid well, same with Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs, are simply exploiting people and really they all should get the same amount and share the company? Or what do you propose? In the real world that in not exploitation, maybe in your view.
@Underground906 Show how 3% annual compound growth is sustainable without any exploitation. The most recent crises of capitalism show how unsustainable this is. Once people ran out of money to take companies started giving them credit and then taking that. Now there is no more credit to take so they need to find something else.
Her argument about the house and the flat screen TV is nonsense. When you consider how much capital is controlled by the top 1% of earners you realise that a more fair distribution of wealth will leave everybody except he obcenely rich with more not less. It's not about attaking middle class families it's about stopping the bankers and hedge fund managers and politicians from taking more than what is owed to them.
he misses a very powerful point of rebuttal in their exchange over what the mainstream of capital is. though the majority of people in the system don't take part in the colossal fraud of Goldman Sachs, the majority of *capital* does. as the system is capital centered and not democratically centered, the mainstream is therefore colossal fraud, not the apparent normalcy of the middle class. indeed, it is this fact that is eroding that apparent normalcy.
how do you have a mortgage on house and own it? am i the only person that sees the contradiction in this statement @3:04?. you own it but the banks and mortgage companies have the rights to reposes when you cant pay anymore and you cant sell. sounds like you have a landlord mate.lol
how do you have a mortgage on house and own it? am i the only person that sees the contradiction in this statement @3:04?. you own it but the banks and mortgage companies have the rights to reposes when you cant pay anymore. sounds like you have a landlord mate.lol
well i wasn't expecting this lady posing the epistemological problem of Marxian concept towards the professor but what a naive kind of thinking she has.. She is dangerous ! hi-hi
don't the rich get richer because they are supported by the state? Shouldn't we try to separate the state and the private sector in the same way religion and state are separated? The government should only be able to administer a fair law, stopping one group or individual from using force against another, and they should not be able to excessively tax people. i think it's right what he says about growth, though.
don't the rich get richer because they are supported by the state? Shouldn't we try to separate the state and the private sector in the same way religion and state are seperated? The government should only be able to administer a fair law, stopping one group or individual from using force against another, and they should not be able to excessively tax people. i think it's right what he says about growth, though.
Get rid of interests (i.e. usury, greed, exponential linear growths,induced growth). Promote natural growth (cyclic). Develop human intelligence and happiness in science what integrate man correctly into vast cycle of nature.
I see an inherent contradiction here. David Harvey says capitalism and its 3% growth rate are unsustainable. But he also says capitalism will not fall on its own accord -- it needs to be pushed.
Let's say for the sake of argument, we the people don't push capitalism, and remain intent on continuing our capitalist path -- come what may. What happens then?
@glopv2 We'll run out of clean air, water and edible food. Maybe not in that specific order, but any order will be catastrophic enough.
There's no contradiction here, mind you. If the 3% growth rate turns out to be unachievable, then We, the People will suffer as customary. Isn't that the way the cookie crumbles? Unfortunately, I must add, that's who we are, the "sheeople" of the industrialized nations.
@glopv2 Then we will all regress. It is like what Luxemburg predicted, socialism or barbarism. Say the capitalists win and crush a socialist revolution for the final time, with hyper advanced fighting forces or what not. As the system would be eat itself as the 3% growth becomes harder and harder, the capitalist class will repress growing working class animosity more and more. We could reach a form of capitalism which is akin to some kind of tightly controlled eco-dictatorship as the planet dies
@glopv2 someone once said that 'the raw material of revolution is desperation', so I guess, we don't choose to have a revolution, it becomes the only choice.
A lot of people are actually failing to meet mortgage repayments....his argument is that the way we live and fund our fantasy world is stultifying and we need to stop being so f*****g unimaginative. He’s not saying anything outrageous or unacceptable...by force he means circumstances will force us; everything is imploding. Greed and self interest will wreck everything.
Communism...the exploitation of the poor for the greed of a governing few. The hatred of people and their skills. The hatred of human progress. Capitalism...Education, freedom, liberty, wealth for all, the love of skills and human progress.
You've obviously not been to South America then. I have. Twice. Every country except Paraguay. The poor have been locked out of all the things you mention - by Capitalists.
@philduval7 Venezuela has a communist leader, so it is the fault of the far left. Basically they have a feudal system in South America, which is of course what capitalism replaced within Europe. Capitalism ...wins.
I don't see what is Communist about Chavez. Neoliberal economics continue to thrive in Venezuela. Watch John Pilger challenge him on this in the documentary 'The War on Democracy'.
What is the fault of the 'far' left? The fact that the poorest in society are now getting access to medical care and education? The fact that they can buy decent food from government subsidised shops? Chavez has been in power since 1998 - I hardly think the ills of an entire continent can blamed
...on one man. And as you point out the system in South America has more in common with feudalism - so how is a 'communist' to blame for that? Capitalism replaced feudalism in Europe - the people at the top didn't change though. Power won. But given that Capitalism relies on continuous expansion to succeed and given that we live in a world of finite resources I wonder what will replace Capitalism? Total environmental destruction no doubt.
There cannot be infinite growth in a finite world. Saying that industry will find new ways of generating energy is an article of faith rather than fact. And since oil is used in pretty much every aspect of our lives (growing food, plastics, medication and of course transportation) I have yet to understand how that will be replaced.
Finally with the growth of the BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China) we are going to see greater competition for those resources.
And since the US/ UK set the tone for how resource competition will be managed with the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, I think we are looking at the prospect of massive wars.
Is the interviewer a cheerleader for Capitalism or what? Journalistic skepticism is one thing but she seems to be very keen to prove everything he is saying to be wrong. Not surprising I suppose since the corporate media (of which even the BBC is a part) is one of the pillars of the 'free' market economy.
Opposition to Capitalism doesn't (and shouldn't) have to be about envy/ hatred of the rich. It should about wanting to live better, more rationally and in harmony with the environment.
If BBC is far left this conversation would not be so conservative. Since 1945 six million people have been killed by the US in the name of Capital expansion. Don't believe me on this. Watch former CIA official John Stockwell watch?v=m3ioJGMCr-Y and open up your ears to a truly radical discussion. By the way John Stockwell is a capitalist.
Why is there no talk about US and UK imperialist intervention to force Capitalism on innocent populations at gunpoint here?
@warriorprince1010 I do. You are mumbling to defend your boys. The BBC is a far left wing media outlet, this is not up for debate. They are desperatly trying to get popular support for the labour foot soldiers of the unions who are ripping off tax payers. The BBC and the unions both need labour to help keep their 6 figure salaries and power base. Political corruption stinks.
In what fictional world does this woman live in that she can say the majority of people in the world are happy with the conditions capitalism has brought them? If you're wondering why Ms. Montague seemed like a mini-Thatcher it's because her first job was as a stockbroker for County NatWest and Eurobond dealer with NatWest Capital Markets in London and then became business correspondent for Sky News in January 1996. Dr. Harvey has an excellent temper
We really do need to put an end to this destructive system, but before we start tearing it down, we need to have built a better alternative ready to take its place. Change is painfull for most, even when it is much needed for their own benifit but the ones who will suffer most in a total system collapse will be the poor and unprepaired. We can bring this system crashing down when the people are good and ready, but first we need to build a safety net to catch the folk that fall along with it.
Seriously, HARDtalk brings interesting people to interview, but the way they interview people is irritating; They see themselves as critical thinkers, but essentially they're utilizing methods to embarrass people rather than helping them to elucidate their views. Obviously, David Harvey had no time to explain Marxism and some of its complications, and this partly has to do with the interviewer who won't give him the time to do that. The 20 minute limit is really a 20 minute of torture.
This seems like an a serious re-investigation of capitalism and how we meed employ it differently, if not 'overthrow' it, in order to deal with problems of inequality. I think this conversation was a little bit vague but it's understandable as the interview is only 20 minutes long or so.
i've only seen one other interview by montague, and that was with hamza yusuf. she wasn't too graceful in that either. if there is one redeeming aspect of hardtalk, it's that they give airtime to people that ordinarily, i wouldn't see on the mainstream. sackur vs chomsky is a classic
Who are capitalists? My understanding is that small investors who are working 24/7 to cover their ass are also capitalists. I wonder whether Professor Harvey has voluntarily given up his higher than national average income to the rest of the society. If not, shall we also dispossess you together with the capitalists.
the show is called Hardtalk and it is not a kissass show like the ones you are used to in the USA. This is what Larry King want to grow up and become.
Harvey was way too soft on capitalism...................gave too much ground, had plenty of ammunition to fight back to the absurd assertions and 'points' made but never got going..................
@corcaighrebel Right. I agree. He should had just spat out the facts. Billions living on less than $1 a day, war, racism, sexism, xenophobia, the environment. its all pretty obvious. Spent too much time on banking.
Are you blind? Centralized planning is a core part of the way capitalism functions. Nearly every corporation is centered around the decisions of a small executive branch of people who hold majority shares in the corporation. Workers are never given say despite the fact that they outnumber executives. Workers know how to operate the machinery. Executives don't. Workers can manage themselves democratically.
"every socialist experiment of any significance in the 20th century has either been crushed, overthrown, invaded, corrupted, perverted, subverted, or destabilized by the U.S. Not one socialist government or movement was permitted to rise or fall on its own merits; not one was left secure enough to drop its guard against the all-powerful enemy abroad & freely & fully relax control at home." - William Blum
Yeah I have to agree with Vindle here. I saw an interview on this show with Helen Zille (the white mayor of Cape Town) and it looked like the guy interviewing her was being a gimp by asking really difficult questions but he was nailing her so she could come out with some quality responses. She does look like shes trying to put him in a hole though! Harveys a legend!
I don't understand why people are giving this interviewer such a hard time. The programme is called Hard Talk and always has been about that. She plays the devil's advocate throughout and ends up - I'd say - warm to his arguments. Remember most people watching that on BBC News 24 will share similar concerns to the ones she outs forward - she asks the tough questions that are in the minds of people watching him, ready to dismiss his ideas. and he wins
btw...before she went into journalism,she was a stockbroker...so, it's good to know that the Beeb's political journalists have an open mind on this one...
As with the Zizek and Badiou interviews, it's extraordinary the extent to which the interviewer acts as if the fact that "most people" (i.e. middle class profesisonals in the developed world while they still have their jobs ) are content paying off the mortgage and waiting for the next pay rise" is a knock down argument against...well...anything. Harvey: a 3% growth rate is unsustainable...Interviewer: but don't people like buying stuff? Touche'
@Iconodule77 So everyone should be poor and work for the government while the governing few rakes in millions and live in mansions? Creativity is best through capitalism.
What do you think CEOs, and those in positions of power in the private sector do? The only reason you don't have a problem with capitalism is because you've lived your entire life in it, and it hasn't bitten you in the ass, yet. You're a part of a process you know very little about, like the rest of us.
@Stumpp3 The CEO often set up the company with hard work. Bill Gates advanced the world he made money doing it, and he deserves that money. Castro, Hitler the MEP steal money from people. Major difference.
Capitalism will never fail on its own, it will have to be pushed. The accumulation of capitali will never cease, it will have to be stopped. Capital class will never surrender its power, it will have to be dispossessed.
@blackhole73 I think it's because they people who really need an alternative to capitalism are basically surviving from day to day and don't have time for politics
What is he going on about and 3% growth be a requisite of capitalism.
Capitalism is the economic system of individualism and freedom. It is the expression of freedom in an economic sense. This guy misinterprets what capitalism is all about.
FrankiePoker 8 months ago
Hardtalk, more like Soft-Bullshit talk
djamorpheus 8 months ago
"Oh come, that's an extreme" or "That's just a bad apple" or "This is just one bad screw"... just cop outs that seek the create a single straw man that keeps you from actually discussing the whole thing at large. You point out the pond and ignore the ocean!
Ermal8711 8 months ago
I'm skeptical if she actually got around to reading his book...
kohhep101 8 months ago
This interviewer is so fucking aggravating!
TheBig3KilledMyBaby 9 months ago
I like that Harvey isn't some stonefaced bore and actually engages with the interviewer without getting hostile/dismissive, unlike most HARDtalk guests
eamonrooke 9 months ago 2
it's pretty simple, Capitalism is systemically not sustainable, we need a new system that benefits the 'common'...
Krazyeyeskilla 9 months ago
This is an excellent interview. You can't blame the interviewer, she's just doing her job by challenging the interviewee. This is "HARDtalk".
radomu1 10 months ago 4
I like David Harvey, one of the few academics that have the bravery to say what is necessary!
BlueFrog83 11 months ago
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ajames95 11 months ago
Like Plato said the logical step down from an oligarchy is a lawless democracy. Here here to the new democratic states of the middle east uprising lol. How long before our planet is overruled by tyrannical monsters? 20 perhaps 30 years?
WATITDOO16 11 months ago
omg i hate bbc 'HARDtalk', the interviewers are never intelligent fair-minded intellectuals capable of rational discussion, just hard-nosed reporter types.
TheLemsipClub 1 year ago
@TheLemsipClub hence the name HARDtalk you dweeb.
BenNCM 11 months ago
The Egyptian people are showing us how it could be done! However, when it really comes to dispossessing the capital class the generals won't be neutral and will order their soldiers to open fire. We'll see if the army sticks with people in Eygypt if they ask the military to give up some of the wealth its has accumlated. I pray the rank and file will not betray the revolution!
bradygate 1 year ago
Capitalism is fundamentally amoral. Good and Evil, simply do not enter the equation. In capitalism there is only profit and loss. This will always be the case. You must decide whether morality will be a part of our future or to have a capitalist system.
MisterEvil1 1 year ago
What kind of argument is "most people" ?
how many is most?
this seems to be to me a logical fallacy
"ad populum" it must be right becuase "MOST" people want it
all without any proof of "most"
CrazyJaketheTerrible 1 year ago
all I have to say is just check out A Resource Based Economy. that is the most intelligent alternative to capitalism. plz check it out, key words:
Venus Project
The Zeitgeist Movement
chrexx 1 year ago
It would be very interesting to get the opinion of someone like Lloyd Blankfein (and any other capitalist crook) on the HARDtalk hot seat to give their opinion on future economic systems....Yes, very interesting indeed :D
natedagogo1988 1 year ago
''Her argument about the house and the flat screen TV is nonsense''. Honestly, have you vultures no idea or empathy for the autonomy of the individual themselves to decide what they are happy with? (You probably all labour under the false consciousness myth on that). Point was what of the people who are happy with that and the poor who want that. Reply, well tough, they can't have it, others aren't doing so good so lets strip everyones personal liberties for someone elses idea of utopia.
Underground906 1 year ago
@Underground906 "There are 2 billion people in the world living on less than $2 a day" but that's okay because some people have flat screen tvs? The standard of living in industrial countries under a capitalist system is only sustained by exploiting those people who do not live in industrialised developed countries.
TheZajac123 1 year ago
@TheZajac123 You mangled the argument, rather typically. She said there are people in those foreign countries who do want the ''house and the flat screen tv'' (a metapohor for the comforts we have in the West). His repsonse is that have to see that ''well they can't get that'' and that capitalism has to go.
Prove Capitalism only works because it exploits people in the third world. There are cases of exploitation that are sad of course. Is that all of Capitalism. No, it's worst extremes.
Underground906 1 year ago
@Underground906 The entire system of capitalism is based on exploitation of others. Name one capitalist system in the history of the world that has not directly or indirectly exploited others for profit. Prove capitalism could survive without exploitation.
TheZajac123 1 year ago
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TheZajac123 1 year ago
@TheZajac123 All capitalism is exploitation? So an entreprenuer like R. Branson who puts his capital and ideas on the line to bring improved services to people and employs people to do jobs in his business they studied, enjoy, trained specifically for and are paid well, same with Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs, are simply exploiting people and really they all should get the same amount and share the company? Or what do you propose? In the real world that in not exploitation, maybe in your view.
Underground906 1 year ago
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@Underground906 Show how 3% annual compound growth is sustainable without any exploitation. The most recent crises of capitalism show how unsustainable this is. Once people ran out of money to take companies started giving them credit and then taking that. Now there is no more credit to take so they need to find something else.
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@Underground906 "Prove Capitalism only works because it exploits people in the third world."
How about the produce aisle at your local supermarket?
qerguil 1 year ago
omg that woman is getting so riled up
she's afraid of her house(s) and possessions being taken away without Capitalism
so pathetic really
JianYi19 1 year ago
She's scared isn't she.
She's also wrong when she says that people who take home a pay check are capitalists.
they're not.
They are a commodity.
they are labor.
macpduff 1 year ago 4
Her argument about the house and the flat screen TV is nonsense. When you consider how much capital is controlled by the top 1% of earners you realise that a more fair distribution of wealth will leave everybody except he obcenely rich with more not less. It's not about attaking middle class families it's about stopping the bankers and hedge fund managers and politicians from taking more than what is owed to them.
nathfrancis01 1 year ago
Now Ill got listen to Refused!
ZedMisfit 1 year ago
he misses a very powerful point of rebuttal in their exchange over what the mainstream of capital is. though the majority of people in the system don't take part in the colossal fraud of Goldman Sachs, the majority of *capital* does. as the system is capital centered and not democratically centered, the mainstream is therefore colossal fraud, not the apparent normalcy of the middle class. indeed, it is this fact that is eroding that apparent normalcy.
originaljonesdotinfo 1 year ago
how do you have a mortgage on house and own it? am i the only person that sees the contradiction in this statement @3:04?. you own it but the banks and mortgage companies have the rights to reposes when you cant pay anymore and you cant sell. sounds like you have a landlord mate.lol
yomiab 1 year ago
how do you have a mortgage on house and own it? am i the only person that sees the contradiction in this statement @3:04?. you own it but the banks and mortgage companies have the rights to reposes when you cant pay anymore. sounds like you have a landlord mate.lol
yomiab 1 year ago
@yomiab I also noticed the contradiction. And even after the mortgage is paid there's property tax and for some, home owners' association fees.
TheForwardGaze 1 year ago
well i wasn't expecting this lady posing the epistemological problem of Marxian concept towards the professor but what a naive kind of thinking she has.. She is dangerous ! hi-hi
whitelip1 1 year ago
"They'll look at what capitalism has brought them and they'll say I want that."
But they're wrong. They may have that stuff, but it's not capitalism that's brought them that.
devourerofbabies 1 year ago
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don't the rich get richer because they are supported by the state? Shouldn't we try to separate the state and the private sector in the same way religion and state are separated? The government should only be able to administer a fair law, stopping one group or individual from using force against another, and they should not be able to excessively tax people. i think it's right what he says about growth, though.
blueingreentrain 1 year ago
don't the rich get richer because they are supported by the state? Shouldn't we try to separate the state and the private sector in the same way religion and state are seperated? The government should only be able to administer a fair law, stopping one group or individual from using force against another, and they should not be able to excessively tax people. i think it's right what he says about growth, though.
blueingreentrain 1 year ago
I feel sorry for her husband...
volcom2003 1 year ago 3
The solution:
Get rid of interests (i.e. usury, greed, exponential linear growths,induced growth). Promote natural growth (cyclic). Develop human intelligence and happiness in science what integrate man correctly into vast cycle of nature.
zshuai 1 year ago
I see an inherent contradiction here. David Harvey says capitalism and its 3% growth rate are unsustainable. But he also says capitalism will not fall on its own accord -- it needs to be pushed.
Let's say for the sake of argument, we the people don't push capitalism, and remain intent on continuing our capitalist path -- come what may. What happens then?
glopv2 1 year ago
@glopv2 We'll run out of clean air, water and edible food. Maybe not in that specific order, but any order will be catastrophic enough.
There's no contradiction here, mind you. If the 3% growth rate turns out to be unachievable, then We, the People will suffer as customary. Isn't that the way the cookie crumbles? Unfortunately, I must add, that's who we are, the "sheeople" of the industrialized nations.
theH0UNDSofD00M 1 year ago
@glopv2 Then we will all regress. It is like what Luxemburg predicted, socialism or barbarism. Say the capitalists win and crush a socialist revolution for the final time, with hyper advanced fighting forces or what not. As the system would be eat itself as the 3% growth becomes harder and harder, the capitalist class will repress growing working class animosity more and more. We could reach a form of capitalism which is akin to some kind of tightly controlled eco-dictatorship as the planet dies
ipwnorcs 1 year ago
@glopv2 someone once said that 'the raw material of revolution is desperation', so I guess, we don't choose to have a revolution, it becomes the only choice.
blueingreentrain 1 year ago
@glopv2 Perpetual cycles of boom and collapse. Concentration of wealth. Disparity between commodities and needs. Etc.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
A lot of people are actually failing to meet mortgage repayments....his argument is that the way we live and fund our fantasy world is stultifying and we need to stop being so f*****g unimaginative. He’s not saying anything outrageous or unacceptable...by force he means circumstances will force us; everything is imploding. Greed and self interest will wreck everything.
clean3 1 year ago
I like him.
DinaStrange 1 year ago
OMG can I slap her now?
busybuzzbuzz 1 year ago 2
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@busybuzzbuzz
'OMG can I slap her now?'
do you need to? i think harvey pretty much already did
RagoBiscuit 1 year ago
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@busybuzzbuzz "OMG can I slap her now?"
Permission granted.
bapyou 1 year ago
Communism...the exploitation of the poor for the greed of a governing few. The hatred of people and their skills. The hatred of human progress. Capitalism...Education, freedom, liberty, wealth for all, the love of skills and human progress.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
@warriorprince1010
You've obviously not been to South America then. I have. Twice. Every country except Paraguay. The poor have been locked out of all the things you mention - by Capitalists.
philduval7 1 year ago
@philduval7 Venezuela has a communist leader, so it is the fault of the far left. Basically they have a feudal system in South America, which is of course what capitalism replaced within Europe. Capitalism ...wins.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
@warriorprince1010
I don't see what is Communist about Chavez. Neoliberal economics continue to thrive in Venezuela. Watch John Pilger challenge him on this in the documentary 'The War on Democracy'.
What is the fault of the 'far' left? The fact that the poorest in society are now getting access to medical care and education? The fact that they can buy decent food from government subsidised shops? Chavez has been in power since 1998 - I hardly think the ills of an entire continent can blamed
philduval7 1 year ago
@philduval7
...on one man. And as you point out the system in South America has more in common with feudalism - so how is a 'communist' to blame for that? Capitalism replaced feudalism in Europe - the people at the top didn't change though. Power won. But given that Capitalism relies on continuous expansion to succeed and given that we live in a world of finite resources I wonder what will replace Capitalism? Total environmental destruction no doubt.
philduval7 1 year ago
@philduval7
There cannot be infinite growth in a finite world. Saying that industry will find new ways of generating energy is an article of faith rather than fact. And since oil is used in pretty much every aspect of our lives (growing food, plastics, medication and of course transportation) I have yet to understand how that will be replaced.
Finally with the growth of the BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China) we are going to see greater competition for those resources.
philduval7 1 year ago
@philduval7
And since the US/ UK set the tone for how resource competition will be managed with the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, I think we are looking at the prospect of massive wars.
Look at the bigger picture.
philduval7 1 year ago
@warriorprince1010
"Capitalism wins" for who? You are inestimably uninformed.
busybuzzbuzz 1 year ago
@Iconodule77
Oh yeah ,she is so iritating and she asks very stupid questions !!
BaneTrogdor 1 year ago
Is the interviewer a cheerleader for Capitalism or what? Journalistic skepticism is one thing but she seems to be very keen to prove everything he is saying to be wrong. Not surprising I suppose since the corporate media (of which even the BBC is a part) is one of the pillars of the 'free' market economy.
Opposition to Capitalism doesn't (and shouldn't) have to be about envy/ hatred of the rich. It should about wanting to live better, more rationally and in harmony with the environment.
philduval7 1 year ago
@philduval7 The BBC are a far left communist organization.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
@warriorprince1010
If BBC is far left this conversation would not be so conservative. Since 1945 six million people have been killed by the US in the name of Capital expansion. Don't believe me on this. Watch former CIA official John Stockwell watch?v=m3ioJGMCr-Y and open up your ears to a truly radical discussion. By the way John Stockwell is a capitalist.
Why is there no talk about US and UK imperialist intervention to force Capitalism on innocent populations at gunpoint here?
busybuzzbuzz 1 year ago 2
@warriorprince1010 .The bbc is has no political bias,but a cultural bias to the left wing.You dont have a clue what your mumbling on about.
laudrup90 8 months ago
@warriorprince1010 I do. You are mumbling to defend your boys. The BBC is a far left wing media outlet, this is not up for debate. They are desperatly trying to get popular support for the labour foot soldiers of the unions who are ripping off tax payers. The BBC and the unions both need labour to help keep their 6 figure salaries and power base. Political corruption stinks.
warriorprince1010 8 months ago
Dr.Harveys temper indicates how much more intelligent he is than the interviewer!
kvist9 1 year ago 2
In what fictional world does this woman live in that she can say the majority of people in the world are happy with the conditions capitalism has brought them? If you're wondering why Ms. Montague seemed like a mini-Thatcher it's because her first job was as a stockbroker for County NatWest and Eurobond dealer with NatWest Capital Markets in London and then became business correspondent for Sky News in January 1996. Dr. Harvey has an excellent temper
theone1087 1 year ago
There are 2 billion people living under less than 2 dollars a day. And that stupid bitch talking about " People are happy with their flatscreen tvs "
Reality check place. This is insanity. This woman makes me sick.
Tribecalledquest15 1 year ago
Capitalism builds on some people being poor. It sickens me.
paronfisk 1 year ago
We really do need to put an end to this destructive system, but before we start tearing it down, we need to have built a better alternative ready to take its place. Change is painfull for most, even when it is much needed for their own benifit but the ones who will suffer most in a total system collapse will be the poor and unprepaired. We can bring this system crashing down when the people are good and ready, but first we need to build a safety net to catch the folk that fall along with it.
FollowSerendipity 1 year ago
Seriously, HARDtalk brings interesting people to interview, but the way they interview people is irritating; They see themselves as critical thinkers, but essentially they're utilizing methods to embarrass people rather than helping them to elucidate their views. Obviously, David Harvey had no time to explain Marxism and some of its complications, and this partly has to do with the interviewer who won't give him the time to do that. The 20 minute limit is really a 20 minute of torture.
philonous09 1 year ago 4
@philonous09 I just watched this.. and yeah That woman ... She talks down to him like he is the kooky one presenting this theory..
complete demonization...
Tribecalledquest15 1 year ago
the rich still play while the poor still die
SparTAKKY 1 year ago
This seems like an a serious re-investigation of capitalism and how we meed employ it differently, if not 'overthrow' it, in order to deal with problems of inequality. I think this conversation was a little bit vague but it's understandable as the interview is only 20 minutes long or so.
Uberloinvongenchler 1 year ago
i've only seen one other interview by montague, and that was with hamza yusuf. she wasn't too graceful in that either. if there is one redeeming aspect of hardtalk, it's that they give airtime to people that ordinarily, i wouldn't see on the mainstream. sackur vs chomsky is a classic
shikagonga 1 year ago
yes - stop them in the street. i'd like to stop her in the street and slap her!
VidaMusicDivision 1 year ago
Who are capitalists? My understanding is that small investors who are working 24/7 to cover their ass are also capitalists. I wonder whether Professor Harvey has voluntarily given up his higher than national average income to the rest of the society. If not, shall we also dispossess you together with the capitalists.
wentiduo1 1 year ago
the show is called Hardtalk and it is not a kissass show like the ones you are used to in the USA. This is what Larry King want to grow up and become.
nottrue100 1 year ago
The woman is trying to employ fallacy.
ajakowski 1 year ago
"are you calling for revolution!!!??" did she really think this was a "gotcha" question?
TeflonMaster 1 year ago
@TeflonMaster HAHAHAHAHA! Same thing I said. "Revolution" OMG so inflammatory!
Xproletariatx 1 year ago
harvey needed gramsci in this interview
ChurchofMe88 1 year ago
Harvey was way too soft on capitalism...................gave too much ground, had plenty of ammunition to fight back to the absurd assertions and 'points' made but never got going..................
corcaighrebel 1 year ago 2
@corcaighrebel Right. I agree. He should had just spat out the facts. Billions living on less than $1 a day, war, racism, sexism, xenophobia, the environment. its all pretty obvious. Spent too much time on banking.
Xproletariatx 1 year ago
Communism is dead. It had a good run but it failed. The free market beats the central planner every time.
pluvio69 1 year ago
@pluvio69
Are you blind? Centralized planning is a core part of the way capitalism functions. Nearly every corporation is centered around the decisions of a small executive branch of people who hold majority shares in the corporation. Workers are never given say despite the fact that they outnumber executives. Workers know how to operate the machinery. Executives don't. Workers can manage themselves democratically.
Capital is dead labor.
Workers of the World UNITE!
thebenallen 1 year ago 3
@thebenallen YEAH!!!!!
philonous09 1 year ago
@pluvio69 "Communism is dead. It failed."
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"every socialist experiment of any significance in the 20th century has either been crushed, overthrown, invaded, corrupted, perverted, subverted, or destabilized by the U.S. Not one socialist government or movement was permitted to rise or fall on its own merits; not one was left secure enough to drop its guard against the all-powerful enemy abroad & freely & fully relax control at home." - William Blum
bapyou 1 year ago
What a Hero... Professor Harvey I salute you!
10jnott 1 year ago 8
Brain food from a free tinker...
nirdoshsakshin 1 year ago
The interviewer is absolutely ridiculous.
manoverde84 1 year ago 11
Yeah I have to agree with Vindle here. I saw an interview on this show with Helen Zille (the white mayor of Cape Town) and it looked like the guy interviewing her was being a gimp by asking really difficult questions but he was nailing her so she could come out with some quality responses. She does look like shes trying to put him in a hole though! Harveys a legend!
grumage86 1 year ago
I don't understand why people are giving this interviewer such a hard time. The programme is called Hard Talk and always has been about that. She plays the devil's advocate throughout and ends up - I'd say - warm to his arguments. Remember most people watching that on BBC News 24 will share similar concerns to the ones she outs forward - she asks the tough questions that are in the minds of people watching him, ready to dismiss his ideas. and he wins
vingle 1 year ago 8
"Will they be forced to?"
What a close minded idiot.
GOLUCKY222 1 year ago
btw...before she went into journalism,she was a stockbroker...so, it's good to know that the Beeb's political journalists have an open mind on this one...
senojenaj 1 year ago
I AM THERE for this revolution people dont even protest anymore brainwashed by the media ....they need to be stopped
beautybrush 1 year ago
As with the Zizek and Badiou interviews, it's extraordinary the extent to which the interviewer acts as if the fact that "most people" (i.e. middle class profesisonals in the developed world while they still have their jobs ) are content paying off the mortgage and waiting for the next pay rise" is a knock down argument against...well...anything. Harvey: a 3% growth rate is unsustainable...Interviewer: but don't people like buying stuff? Touche'
Iconodule77 1 year ago 66
@Iconodule77 So everyone should be poor and work for the government while the governing few rakes in millions and live in mansions? Creativity is best through capitalism.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
@warriorprince1010
What do you think CEOs, and those in positions of power in the private sector do? The only reason you don't have a problem with capitalism is because you've lived your entire life in it, and it hasn't bitten you in the ass, yet. You're a part of a process you know very little about, like the rest of us.
Stumpp3 1 year ago
@Stumpp3 The CEO often set up the company with hard work. Bill Gates advanced the world he made money doing it, and he deserves that money. Castro, Hitler the MEP steal money from people. Major difference.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
@Stumpp3 The CEO set the company up with hard work. Castro did not set up anything he stole it. Halfwit.
warriorprince1010 1 year ago
Capitalism will never fail on its own, it will have to be pushed. The accumulation of capitali will never cease, it will have to be stopped. Capital class will never surrender its power, it will have to be dispossessed.
Albphilosopher 1 year ago 82
@Albphilosopher You may be interested to read about "technological unemployment".
It is in fact very likely that capitalism will fall in on itself given enough time.
TheBestInterest 1 year ago
@Albphilosopher Indeed. No ruling class ever gave up its power willingly.
ipwnorcs 1 year ago
@Albphilosopher What about simply making their power obsolete?
MisterEvil1 1 year ago
@Albphilosopher So why don't we dispose of it?
blackhole73 8 months ago
@blackhole73 I think it's because they people who really need an alternative to capitalism are basically surviving from day to day and don't have time for politics
blueingreentrain 8 months ago