China = Capitalist Communism. They aren't embracing old Socialism, but Capitalism. In China, they even give their constituents money to create their own business. They're in more support of Free Market these days; and it looks like they've learned from Europes experimentation with old Leftist policies.
@ComradePaine They still run their state in a Communist Manner; but their economy isn't very Communist. They still have gun control, internet control, and media control. They're employing Capitalist policies to increase free trade and to of course establish themselves as a world power [which they are hastily becoming].
@pwuint12 Communism was never anti-markets. Capitalism is always been a perversion of market economics. It is a system of government coercion where laws are made that favor capital itself. The old truism of "you have to have money to make money" is the foundation of capitalism. It's not free market. It has always sought government to favor it going back to the Dutch East Indy Trading Company using the English government to oppress colonial interests. That is the reality of capitalism.
@Bill Gates Capitalism is what got you started. Corporatism is what enabled you to keep your monopoly (and charge people ridiculous amounts of money). Without Corporatism you would not have all those billions Bill. Having Congress write legislation to keep competition out, get government contracts, and write favorable laws is NOT Capitalism...it IS Corporatism.
@tehatemachine. "A society cannot exist without some form of capitalism". I have to say this is a very strange statement considering mankind has spent the vast, inconceivably vast, amount of time living under other forms of social arrangement. We have existed as hunters and gatherers for most of our history. Capitalism, in its current form, really originated with the industrial revolution, the 1850's, and already we are in such a disastrous predicament (running out of oil, food, water, etc)
Hahaha! You know how to let income inequality vanish? Give the people who create your wealth, MORE of What THEY produce! If you Extort Chinse Hunger Wage Slaves, they won't be able to afford to buy your ipods or software. !
@1987King100 because he's saying he wants the government to tell business what to do... the govt has no constitutional right to dictate to anyone rich or poor what he or she ought to do with his or her own property (property as in businesses owned or products produced etc.)
@SuburbanShinobi8000 Fuck true capitalism and every kind of capitalism. That cancer is based on exploiting people by the capitalists and causes millions of crucial problems to the world. Can never care for the people because the only thing that matters is the fucking profit. I salute technology, study programming and believe that we must use it, as Gates says, to make a better world. Though, I believe we need a system unrelated to capitalism in order to do that.
@tehatemachine What??? Your mind has grown so deep in this system that you cant imagine anything else. I never said fuck every society that existed because 1) Capitalism didn't always exist, it's the world's disease of the last 200 years 2) A society is not represented just by the economic system it has. Now in order for CPTLSM to continue existing, capitalists always convince us that the world can't do without THEIR system. Well, they can go to hell and I hope that happens soon.
@skydome29 The idea that everything you do, you can take no credit for. The idea of destroying your individual mind in favor of a hive mind. The idea that you can be selfless and abolish the value of yourself.
@skydome29 A system based on democracy, meritocracy and based on people's needs and not on what's most profitable for capitalists. I'm not the one who'll decide the way a better society will work or what exactly it's gonna be, the people who'll give an end to capitalism will. I can't know exactly when and how that'll take place, but I can guarantee one thing: Capitalism is not gonna be eternal and chances are that we'll be alive to see it's end. It's already old, we have to evolve.
@ThrashoDeath it's corporatism that is the problem, no capitalist likes the way things are now, your confusing the two. The scientific method is old, should we "evolve" from that, and man the wheel has gotten to be rather bland.
@ThrashoDeath "Capitalism didn't always exist" Capitalism has been around since man has steped foot on earth. The USSR was capitalist only that the captial was controlled by the state. The United States is capitalist. Ancient Civilizations where capitalist. There isn't a single form that didn't involve capitalism. That's like trying to get a car to run without an engine. So your whole point is invalid.
@ThrashoDeath also you take to much for granted. Everything you have, your computer, the software running on it, your house, the lights, EVERYTHING. was a result of capitalism. competition drives prices down while increasing quality.
@tehatemachine Actually, once you let workers control what they produce, that destroys the organisation of production which is know as "C-A-P-I-T-A-L-I-S-M".
@noprofitmaximierung Every Society is Capitalist so you have nothing to really criticize unless it's every civilization that ever existed. Now if you are going to be more specific then i'd certainly like to debate you. There are different forms of capitalism. State controlled Monopoly type (USSR, Cuba, Norh korea), Competitive free market capitalism, or Corporatism.
A society cannot exist without some form of capitalism. Otherwise people wouldn't be able to live.
@tehatemachine Dude, sorry to say but politically you are illiterate. I am Greek and ancient Greece had NOTHING to do with Capitalism. Just because the traded Money and goods doesn't make them Capitalists. Most ancient civilizations worked with ways worst than capitalism, like having slaves and expanding their lands. However, when the industrial revolution ended feudalism, we could produce much more with much less work because of the new industry production.
@ThrashoDeath "Dude, sorry to say but politically you are illiterate. I am Greek and ancient Greece had NOTHING to do with Capitalism" Every society that has trade be it tightly controlled or freely controlled IS a specific capitalist society. Many people do not understand this and generally wander off in the whole Socialism Vs capitalism when in fact many socialist societies couldn't function if it weren't for trade.
@ThrashoDeath The industrial revolution was thought of because of Free trade. If you weren't going to benefit from an idea why try it? Or even think of it for that matter. You don't have to benefit primarily from profit but from self satisfaction. Exchange of goods and information is the only way to go.
@tehatemachine Exchanging goods and information is not just the way to go, it's almost crucial for society to exist and work properly and be civilized. Trade and exchange of goods though, does not mean the existence of capitalism. Capitalism is just a way of managing the resources and the production. Trade does not mean Capitalism. Ancient Egyptians were not capitalists, lol. Neither Russia was in the first decade of building a new society after 1917.
@tehatemachine Industrial Revolution -> Huge production with less work -> Great amounts of goods and wealth.That wealth could be used to make everyone's life a lot better than it is now. However, capitalism was exactly that: it was used so that the capitalists can have workers who get paid with a tiny amount of what they produce so they can keep all that extra wealth for themselves. And yes, USSR, Cuba and China was state capitalism cause of Stalin, that's why they were fucked up.
@tehatemachine Well, i think you are forgetting Paris Commune, Chiapas Zapata revolution, The Bavarian Soviet Republic, Catalonia and many current co-op movements which have a communist organisation of production, anti-capitalism. I am an anti-capitalist marxist, therefore i am against economic autocracy in the economy.
@noprofitmaximierung All of those that you described where indeed capitalist. but like i mentioned The capital was heavily controlled by the state government. If you look into the Republics of the USSR, You should of seen the stuff they produced. The cars (lada) and a couple of others of course weren't comparable with cars in the U.S at that time. Of course American cars at that time where better ONLY because they had to face competition in production a better product.
@noprofitmaximierung But when you look at the State controlled countries. They did an Excellent job militarily, Why? Because they had to face competition with other countries. You will find this everywhere. People will only do a good job if they have to compete with someone else. The space race was fantastic on both sides because both countries where trying to prove their technological might. Now it has dimmed down.
@tehatemachine That's actually demonstrably false. There was a study done some time ago where researchers tried various methods to increase productivity of workers at a garment factory. They tried competitions, incentives, changing the environment and so on. What they found worked best, was when they told the workers that their products were going to be used in some important project. What that meant was that people do their best, when they believe what they do matters.
@KeroroGunsouTX I never said anything against that. That's what competition encourages. It has the employers look at every field and find what works best for them in producing the best possible product they can at the lowest price.
@noprofitmaximierung What you want is freedom right? Which is what everyone desires. Well the only way to achieve that is to use less forceful government. Have a very limited government that doesn't team up with the big corporations. and have a rigorously competitive free market. That is really the only proven way so far to generate equality and prosperity. What we are really all against is power ending up in the hands of the few.
@tehatemachine I agree that the powers of government should be limited, however, it should be kept in mind, that the more we depend on the free market, the less free people will be who don't have many resources. The free market is run on profit after all, and where there is not sufficient profit to be gained, no services will be provided. It is, paradoxically, for this reason that SOME of the "inefficiency" of non-profit governmental institutions actually serve people better.
@KeroroGunsouTX "the less free people will be who don't have many resources." You have to remember though that you do not have to have many resources inorder to compete. Hong Kong is a prime example. Most of our ideas about government doing good while being very efficient at it are mostly based upon myth. Government is only going to do good if it is within the parameters of it's own interest.
@noprofitmaximierung It happened in the USSR and many state controlled monopolies and now it is starting to happen in the U.S and rest of the world as government is increasing in size. I don't want someone else deciding for someone I want you and me to have a choice.
@noprofitmaximierung Catalonia a communist organization? Do you know what you are talking about? First of all, Catalonia is a region of Spain, and it is not communist, it's capitalist, lol! The most capitalist region in Spain, with the most capitalist government in Spain. You have no idea what you are talking about. Btw I'm from Catalonia (Spain) and economist.
@noprofitmaximierung Just no, Spanish region of Catalonia is not that kind of shit. Catalonia is capitalist, and a right-wing party governs Catalonia. Whoever told you that shit was laughing at you.
@ped200014 Man I'm economist, there are many economists in the world. It's so hard to believe? And I'm catalan and I can prove it speaking spanish:
Hola me llamo Guillermo y aparte de economista soy catalán, no se cuán difícil es esto de creer. ¿Acaso tú no puedes hablar varios idiomas?
Is that enough? Maybe you don't have a degree, I do have it and that is something common as long as you have enough IQ.So please stop saying bullshit about the spanish region of Catalonia: we are not communists
@AutechVersion So his argument is defeated by the amount of money in his pocket? I had no idea wealth was a relevant factor in logic, how enlightening.
"funny and ironic" Well, considering irony is a form of humour, yes, it would be funny. Your stupidity aside, I find it ironic that someone like yourself who supports government-enforced charity fails to see the virtue of Bill's voluntary donations, or chooses to ignore them.
@ihaterobbie123 LOL! Nice attempt at sounding smart. When did I say his argument was defeated? I simply said it was funny. Nothing you've said in your comment has proven my statement false, or even come close. Furthermore, you make absurd assumptions regarding my personal viewpoints on political systems ("someone like yourself who supports government-enforced charity"), when I made no such comments. On the contrary I do admire his charity work especially in my home country India.
@AutechVersion No, don't bullshit me, you purposefully attempted to discredit his argument with the insinuation that he is not speaking against a system from which he has benefited greatly. If you back away from that comment you're a liar and a coward.
"when I made no such comments"
But you do, it's called extrapolation, I'm right and you didn't even need to tell me (but you have now with your non-denial denial).
@ihaterobbie123 So YOUR stupidiy aside, I find it hilarious that someone can misinterpret a small comment, especially to the degree that you have. Hilarious.
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You can't fix it. All shapes and forms are corrupt. All only benefit the few. Communism , Fascism , Capitalism. You name it. All who wrote these think we have unlimited resources. Most humans still live in filth , cold and starving.
@nutsack666 well as a integrated market what happens in anywhere is somehow related to every other place in the world. especially if you are talkinf about the most globalised economy in the world and that is USA.
mmmm , i smell..... bullshot. population growth, especially in the highest consuming countries, ie. UassA is THE biggest threat to global biodiversity, equality, economic stability. It's cool though... when the billions of poor are landing on your shores it will become apparent....
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Gentlemen it's called the new world order. It's the only way. Make the companies that make billions form a new government, and have that government distribute the wealth of the world and the technological advancement of mankind evenly among the world.
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Capitalism isn't beneficial enough from the onset to middle class workers.
Let's think about something philosophically here. Profits are created by labor power. Labor power is created by the workforce. What the middle class really needs now is commissions based on labor power. Workers, depending on how many a company employs, would receive a percentage of their company's weekly or monthly profits. Without a workforce profits cannot be created.
@SFIII8510 Without a provision such as this being set into place, money will always fall into the same hands it always does. By compensating the middle class with some of the profits they helped create, you'd stimulate the economy as well as prepare these people for the times that inflation hits. When wages remain stagnant and the cost of living goes up there will be another rash of foreclosures...perhaps worse than the one we just had.
"We can innovate so much but many technologies aren't utilized because there is no monetary profit in it."
Well then obviously nobody needs the innovation, so nothing is lost.
GDP is the produce of one year. It can be computed for ANY system that produces ANYTHING (so every system where people want to live longer than a few days). It is just a measure and has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism or anything. Learn the basics, then we can discuss further on this.
@andentoren What about meglev trains, geothermal power, electric cars, more automation to replace dangerous or boring repetitive jobs? I can go on, this system is now an inhibitor of progress. To produce GDP we need scarcity (to generate profit), it has no relation with the quality of life. The US for example is very low in the quality of life chart, the city with the best life expectancy is Honolulu (I wouldn't call that the US personally). So a big economy says nothing.
@Keessince1988 wrong, wrong, wrong, scarcity will not produce any thing that could be considered/added to the GDP. I believe 90+% of our GDP now is services, we do not manufacture in this country anymore, this is going to bite us in the ass in a big way real soon. to much government interference, so they leave the country.
@nuxnutts True, the service industry is the prime economic engine in the western countries. But to keep GDP up we need to keep consuming. That's why an iPhone only lasts 2 years. That's why engines didn't became radically more efficient for 45 years. And it's also the reason why we still use oil and not cold fusion or geothermal power, that's too efficient for the market system. We keep production low of goods and services just for the profit. Instead we could life a free live.
@Keessince1988 Yep ! "But to keep GDP up we need to keep consuming" is that not some crap or what, but WHO ran the manufactures off ??? Who has spent this country into almost 20 trillion in debt, stole you SS money, want to imminent domain your land, trillions in unfunded pensions, Barry has followed in the footsteps of the globalist Bush's, and now has started more wars than the last 3 presidents combined. How do you think this is of some manageable systems fault and NOT of men.
@nuxnutts We also make sure that products break down within a reasonable amount of time (planned obsolescence). So you can buy a new one! Great isn't it? Which results large amounts of waste while neglecting precious resources.
@andentoren Furthermore; I'm not attacking capitalism, all isms are corrupt. They all use the same monetary system which needs scarcity, cyclical consumption and has no relationship with the planet resources. In this system we cannot produce enough for everyone, because that goods and services become as cheap as tap water. 'We' don't want that because that would be the downfall of our current economy. Just try to watch a bit of Zeitgeist Moving Forward, it's featured on my channel.
We should all get ahead and jump on the capitalist band wagon, the more of us on it .. the harder it will fall, then comes the day for of us all to be equal :)
How to fix capitalism? For starters, DON'T support SOPA & Protect-IP Act, Bill Gates. We know very well what you do to attempt to ruin this economy and save your own business.
Second, why is someone who can't even make his own product, Windows, properly work telling us how capitalism should be fixed.
@vietorkorean I would not give him that much credit, "computer scientist ", he stole dos while working at IBM, the GUI from xerox, and on and on, all he was and will ever be is a good thief, a marketing genius if you will, kick backs on the preload systems got him where he is, not any superior technology, in fact the Amiga put him to shame years prior to windows even working, Run yesterdays technology tomorrow(or in a few more yrs), run windoze.
Bill, you're not really capable of thinking outside the box. Capitalism is based on infinite growth on a finite planet. You don't need math to figure out that that system is not sustainable. It's like keep installing the latest Windows on a Pentium 2 with 128 MB of RAM, of course Windows 7 crashes or fails to boot at all. Do you get it Bill? We need to evolve into a system which has a relation with the planet resources. Watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward for more detail. It's featured on my channel.
@Keessince1988 That would be true if we lived in a purely resource based economy. However, i live in the UK and the vast majority of our economy is based on services.
@usainlightning That's true. The developed countries moved in general towards a service industry as the prime GDP generator. That's because automation automated lots of jobs out of the production sector. But even now the service industry is being automated with automated kiosks, restaurants, etc. This is another flaw of this current economy.
@Polovene It doesn't matter what I think. These aren't opinions, these are facts. The automation of the service industry is not a flaw. Automation frees people, that's what it's intended to do. But in this economy everyone needs a job to sustain his/her life. The service sector took care of the jobs that were lost in the industry sector, due to automation. Now the service sector is automated as well. This is one of the reasons we have such a high jobless rate these days.
@Polovene With that in mind we need to evolve into a new system. A system that does promote automation without the people suffering. Also a system that relates to the planet resources. I can go on explaining these things, but it would be better if you'd watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward. It's featured on my channel. The documentary explains this new system in 2,5 hours. It also gives information about this current system which you maybe never heard/thought of.
@usainlightning Everyone must need a job to sustain his or her live. So if most work were automated then we would have cheap products that last longer, but no one can afford them because they don't have a job. Now only a few percent works in agriculture production. But we can provide the planet double, according to a UN report we can even support 14 planets. But that doesn't generate profit, so we keep stuff intentionally scarce. Check out Zeitgeist Moving Forward.
@Polovene All isms (capitalism, socialism, etc.) are based on infinite growth. It's because of the profit incentive and how the monetary system is designed. Please watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward to understand this in it's full form, this short YouTube comment space is not big enough. And that documentary explains it better than me, images explain more things than words. Zeitgeist Moving Forward is featured on my channel. Thank you.
@Keessince1988 With renewable energy, environmental regulation/management, and sustainable agriculture, I don't see why everybody can't have a great life on this planet, with all of the modern technological conveniences. What if old products were recycled into brand new products, instead of sending the old product to the landfill? What if we got rid of plastic bottles and bags? We can be sustainable, and have a sustainable economy. I think your conclusions are based on an over-simplification.
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@mographzach "With renewable energy, environmental regulation/management, and sustainable agriculture, I don't see why everybody can't have a great life on this planet,"
And the blind leading the blind don't see why they'll both wind up going off a cliff.
Agriculture is sustainable as is, global warming is a hoax, and we're going to have fusion-energy in 20 years, just relax and don't worry.
@SouthParkBear I'm not sure how your biblical phrase has any relevance to what I said. I guess you thought it made you sound cool though.
Agriculture is not sustainable as-is. Industrial agriculture is heavily dependent on non-renewable fossil energy. Not to mention the soil degradation we're seeing. Thankfully we can fix these things.
Global warming is absolutely real. Just look at the temperature graphs. The numbers don't lie. And yes, it's caused by burning of fossil energy.
@SouthParkBear On the basis that there's peer-reviewed papers showing it to be so, and that 99% of climatologists agree on it. We're at the highest concentrations of CO2 in over 400,000 years, and that became true in the past century, when we started burning large quantities of carbon-based fuel. We're at 390ppm and growing, when the average for the past 400,000 years has been 250ppm.
@SouthParkBear Go and check out what the REAL scientists are saying, and not some blow-hard internet radio host. NASA is a good place to start, including James Hansen. But you're going to have a very hard time finding any peer-reviewed papers that say that global warming is not caused by human activity.
@mographzach No actually we are talking about the same thing. Sustainability and efficiency is the way to go, I totally agree. But in this current paradigm we need a system that is not efficient or sustainable. We reward products that have a short lifespan, just look at the smart phone industry. There are complete landfills of obsolete phones just because another phone had 1 megapixel extra. We can make phones modular so we can just replace the camera and not the whole phone.
But that's not what Apple or Samsung want. They want you to buy a new phone every two years. It's called planned obsolescence and it started way back with the light bulbs. Did you know that the first light bulbs had a longer lifespan than our 'modern' light bulbs? The corporate elite made some deals with each other to shorten the lifespan so that we would buy more lights more often. They did this to ensure their profit. This whole system is corrupt, it needs to be replaced, now!
@Keessince1988 His method is a solution on a relatively short term, you have to be realistic. He admits that most companies will only act in self benefit. The change in mindset that a larger part of the population thinks supporting the poor is an important cause forces companies to do more for the poor because employees will choose to work for companies that do so. By emphasizing the things companies do for the poor, you will increase the benefits companies get for supporting the poor.
@ricklamersdriel You must look at the bigger picture. The rate that poor people increase is very disturbing and not magical. The interest people pay for they debt goes to the rich as interest on their savings. So the purchasing power of the poor is decreasing. Those rich people will not stay rich because without customers with purchasing power there would be no income. In essence the poor pay the rich. And all money is made out of debt, including the interest.
@ricklamersdriel So Bill's solution is just patchwork. It doesn't fix the primal cause of the problem. We need solutions now which do work for the long run. We as a human species need to grow up and take some responsibility. If that means change in it's true meaning than so be it!
@Keessince1988 What do you mean by "finite planet"? The sun will keep shining for us for another 5 billion years, is that what you mean by "finite"? As far as i know, used resources don't disappear, so the market will find replacements, better than any other system.
And the growth you say is needed, what is it needed for? It's needed to create jobs. If we have productivity growth without a growing economy, less people will eventually have to/be able to work.
@andentoren The sun is not part of planet Earth. Gold, copper and oil for example are. And we are neglecting those precious resources as if we have plenty of it. Not many people know that computer processors are made primarily of gold. Cellphones for example are made for a lifespan of just 2 years. There are entire landfills of phones out there with loads of gold in it. Gold is the best conductor we have today. But we don't recycle them because it costs more money.
@andentoren Less people will not be needed to work 40 hours a week because of automation. I never mentioned that growth was needed, it's needed in this economic system. And in this system everyone needs a job to support him/herself. What if you have factories that can create good and efficient products that don't break down in for say 50 years. Then you would have very cheap and good products but no people with a job that can buy those products. This is why this current system fails.
REALLY ! "two people will only trade when they both get a profit out of it",
Wow !! "profit" (commie code wording) what the hell is wrong with you ppl, their is NOTHING wrong with trading,commerce and the like until you get a government injecting taxes/rent on property you labored for, inflating and deflating your currencies(buying power), gambling/speculating on wether or not you will labor for them. (con't)
(continued) You ppl seem eager to just give up and let them controll every aspect of you existance. We seem to be pissed at the same problems, just you socialist direct your fustration on the little man just wanting to build a better life for his family. maybe you young commies should fimialirze yourself with this term "capitis diminutio maxima" so you can understand just what your governments think of you.
@nuxnutts Control? What kind of control do you and I have? Giving a vote every 4 years to preselected people that aren't trained to solve problems? The true decisions are made by technicians, did you have control in the construction of the railroad nearby? Or the bridge? Or the computer you use right now? Our problems are technical, there is no democrat way to build a space shuttle so don't expect there is one for the energy crisis. We need scientists, not some liars.
@nuxnutts Culture is also a big problem these days. I wrote a comment which attacks capitalism, so now I MUST be a socialist right? Why should I be any of the isms? The whole monetary system is corrupt, so all isms are too. We need to think outside of the box, we need a system which has a relationship with the planet resources. Not the expansion of the money supply trough debt. I already told you about governments, there is no true government today. Problems aren't solved, but patched.
@Keessince1988 Did I say that, "attacks capitalism, so now I MUST be a socialist right",
Not sure you tell me, As myself I do not see a lot wrong with capitalism, until you get corrupt politicians tell us how to run it, scamming money of of it, and basically bankrupting our whole economic system. PPL are corrupt, deflating your currency (quantitative easing), is stealing your wealth. Wake up.
@nuxnutts You commented this to me: "just you socialist direct your fustration on the little man just wanting to build a better life for his family".
All isms are corrupt, they all use the monetary system. Watch 'Money as debt', it will explain it to you. People are made by their environment and this environment is stimulating corrupt behavior. We need to redesign how society works so we can change the social environment. We need to upgrade our culture and system to the 21st century.
@Keessince1988 "All isms are corrupt" that now is one of the most ignorant thing I've heard in a while. Seriously "redesign how society ", How about restore it to what it once was and meant to be. The only reason America is failing is because they want it to, so as to establish a New World Order, and you seem to be on their side. Want to enjoy serfdom do we. I will agree with you on the elite, Merovingian, Rome(RCC), are all some evil S.O.B's, that have enslaved you.
@Keessince1988 O' sorry to keep posting, I think I understand you ideas on monies/systems are corrupt, this is one of the biggest misconception of the common man, money does NOT = wealth, that paper/coins in your pocket is "worth-less",
Tim Geithner is one of the new breed, trained in what is taught at Harvard Business know as Financial Engineering. This is the problem, to even think of doing such, with any economic system is just Evil.
@nuxnutts None of the isms are sustainable. This is a system flaw. This system shapes our social and economic environment. The behavior of people is shaped by their environment. If you were born in Iran then your values would be very different. So men is the victim of culture which is shaped by the social economic environment that's enforced by the global system. You really need to look at this from outside the box.
@nuxnutts When you understand that this system is not sustainable, in all it's forms (all the isms). And when you understand that everyone picks up it's traits from his/her environment and is thereby a victim of culture. Then you might see that bankers, politicians and the rest of the elite are just doing what the system motivates them to do. Please do watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward. It most probably will change the way you look at the world. Try to have an open mind if you do.
@Keessince1988 "And when you understand that everyone picks up it's traits from his/her environment and is thereby a victim of culture." Do you have a source for that? The Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement both greatly underestimate the influence of genetics.
@DENlERU Watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward, it's not only Jacque Fresco and Peter Joseph who share their ideas. Also for example Robert Sapolsky, one of the world leading professors in Neurology, Neurobiology, Biological anthropology and Primatology. But of course there are lots of other professors in the documentary as well.
@Keessince1988 I've watched ZMF, I even helped translate it into Swedish. The movie is made by Peter so of course he selects sources that fits his agenda. Environment plays a big part, but so does genetics, whether you want it or not.
@Keessince1988 I'm will look at this movie, but from your rhetoric, I'm wondering if this is not some major propaganda film, yes I see the esoteric agenda being supplied, by watching some bit and pieces on YT. But when you use wording like "system is not sustainable", "victim of culture", makes me weary of what you have been taught/fallen for. I agree with the whole esoteric agenda, but your placing the blame on inanimate objects and NOT men where it belongs. seriously "victim"
@nuxnutts (1/7) Please watch the whole documentary before you label it. Yes this system is not sustainable. We use a system which is based on infinite growth on a finite planet. That just says it all, I can go into more detail of course, but there is no way to deny it. And yes we are a victim of this system. This system shapes our behavior. If you don't understand that then ask yourself this. Do you trust a salesman?
(2/7) You shouldn't, they are trained to look like a nice guy while they lay you off. If they would be honest then they might say; 'this TV is great, but the guy next door has it $ 200,- cheaper'. But they don't, they lie to you. They don't feel bad about it, they are rewarded for it. And if they are good at it they are even respected and they get promotion.
You do not know shit about business, and talk stupid shit,
Try Union Labor, Lease on building, and the such will affect what someone can sell you a product and still stay in business, Why do you thing products are cheaper online, NO/minimal OVERHEAD. Damn you are a propaganda machine in yourself.
@Keessince1988 But you did say your only knowledge/reality comes from this movie, (sad), I will watch it , got some sound issues at the moment seem my new graphics card has a hdmi port, some sounds are directing to it, weird, my music has music but no voices/singing same with YT videos, i'll get her straighten out, and will give you my opinion of this movie you have based your whole reality on.
@nuxnutts Read my words again on the NWO. I'm not saying that globalization doesn't exist. I'm just saying that the Alex Jones NWO is a fantasy. There is no agenda to create one single world super government called the NWO. This system is based on infinite growth, and yes then you get a world government. The elite doesn't need to get together, they are all working under a common goal. Which is maximizing their world influence and wealth.
@nuxnutts I'm not saying that my knowledge/reality came from this documentary. I said that probably every statement I put here is related to that documentary concerning this topic of course. Please do watch it yes, and try to have an open mind, don't label it and then try to justify that label upon it.
@nuxnutts You breaking in and killing example is totally not what I said. In that situation there will be a thorough study on why that person became violent. There is a Harvard professor in Zeitgeist Moving Forward discussing violence and the nature of it. Please pay attention when that part is on.
How to kill capitalism? Give it the rope it needs to hang itself. Nothing destroys it better than it destroys itself. Vote republican.
ped200014 13 hours ago
How to kill capitalism? Step one; destroy it and bourgeois.
ComradePaine 1 day ago
how to fix capitalism????? LET'S KILL IT!!!!!! ANARKY
yurchevic 1 day ago
China = Capitalist Communism. They aren't embracing old Socialism, but Capitalism. In China, they even give their constituents money to create their own business. They're in more support of Free Market these days; and it looks like they've learned from Europes experimentation with old Leftist policies.
pwuint12 1 day ago
@pwuint12 Capitalist communism? You mean state capitalism?
ComradePaine 1 day ago
@ComradePaine They still run their state in a Communist Manner; but their economy isn't very Communist. They still have gun control, internet control, and media control. They're employing Capitalist policies to increase free trade and to of course establish themselves as a world power [which they are hastily becoming].
pwuint12 23 hours ago
@pwuint12 Communism was never anti-markets. Capitalism is always been a perversion of market economics. It is a system of government coercion where laws are made that favor capital itself. The old truism of "you have to have money to make money" is the foundation of capitalism. It's not free market. It has always sought government to favor it going back to the Dutch East Indy Trading Company using the English government to oppress colonial interests. That is the reality of capitalism.
ped200014 13 hours ago
Bill Gates - supporting the theory that financial success is not necessarily the result of intelligence
17peteclarke 1 day ago
@17peteclarke Theory? Creativity, effort, and ingenuity create wealth, not ALWAYS intelligence.
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fivequotes 2 days ago
@Bill Gates Capitalism is what got you started. Corporatism is what enabled you to keep your monopoly (and charge people ridiculous amounts of money). Without Corporatism you would not have all those billions Bill. Having Congress write legislation to keep competition out, get government contracts, and write favorable laws is NOT Capitalism...it IS Corporatism.
EndTheFedRes 4 days ago
@tehatemachine. "A society cannot exist without some form of capitalism". I have to say this is a very strange statement considering mankind has spent the vast, inconceivably vast, amount of time living under other forms of social arrangement. We have existed as hunters and gatherers for most of our history. Capitalism, in its current form, really originated with the industrial revolution, the 1850's, and already we are in such a disastrous predicament (running out of oil, food, water, etc)
jmac23264f 4 days ago
Hahaha! You know how to let income inequality vanish? Give the people who create your wealth, MORE of What THEY produce! If you Extort Chinse Hunger Wage Slaves, they won't be able to afford to buy your ipods or software. !
noprofitmaximierung 4 days ago
He should stick to computers and donating money to charity. The free market is the answer.
llcoolray3000 4 days ago
His got a very very good point, why does this have so many dislikes?
What he's saying makes a lot of sense.
1987King100 4 days ago
@1987King100 because he's saying he wants the government to tell business what to do... the govt has no constitutional right to dictate to anyone rich or poor what he or she ought to do with his or her own property (property as in businesses owned or products produced etc.)
droppertrental 4 days ago
Wouldn't we all love to see Anarchism work in a country of 300,000,000. Try thinking more realistically.
olebra1393 4 days ago
Anarchism pls.
privateabstract 5 days ago
To me he's a Corporatist Pig dog. Death to Corporatism! Bring the Ture Capitalism back to the USA.
SuburbanShinobi8000 5 days ago
@SuburbanShinobi8000 Fuck true capitalism and every kind of capitalism. That cancer is based on exploiting people by the capitalists and causes millions of crucial problems to the world. Can never care for the people because the only thing that matters is the fucking profit. I salute technology, study programming and believe that we must use it, as Gates says, to make a better world. Though, I believe we need a system unrelated to capitalism in order to do that.
ThrashoDeath 5 days ago
@ThrashoDeath "Fuck true capitalism and every kind of capitalism." So your saying fuck every society that has ever existed?
"I believe we need a system unrelated to capitalism in order to do that." Then you would have NO system.
tehatemachine 5 days ago
@tehatemachine What??? Your mind has grown so deep in this system that you cant imagine anything else. I never said fuck every society that existed because 1) Capitalism didn't always exist, it's the world's disease of the last 200 years 2) A society is not represented just by the economic system it has. Now in order for CPTLSM to continue existing, capitalists always convince us that the world can't do without THEIR system. Well, they can go to hell and I hope that happens soon.
ThrashoDeath 5 days ago
@ThrashoDeath and what would replace it?
skydome29 5 days ago
@skydome29 The idea that everything you do, you can take no credit for. The idea of destroying your individual mind in favor of a hive mind. The idea that you can be selfless and abolish the value of yourself.
...yup, I think I'll prefer true capitalism.
Eterna1snow 4 days ago
@skydome29 A system based on democracy, meritocracy and based on people's needs and not on what's most profitable for capitalists. I'm not the one who'll decide the way a better society will work or what exactly it's gonna be, the people who'll give an end to capitalism will. I can't know exactly when and how that'll take place, but I can guarantee one thing: Capitalism is not gonna be eternal and chances are that we'll be alive to see it's end. It's already old, we have to evolve.
ThrashoDeath 4 days ago
@ThrashoDeath it's corporatism that is the problem, no capitalist likes the way things are now, your confusing the two. The scientific method is old, should we "evolve" from that, and man the wheel has gotten to be rather bland.
skydome29 4 days ago
@ThrashoDeath "Capitalism didn't always exist" Capitalism has been around since man has steped foot on earth. The USSR was capitalist only that the captial was controlled by the state. The United States is capitalist. Ancient Civilizations where capitalist. There isn't a single form that didn't involve capitalism. That's like trying to get a car to run without an engine. So your whole point is invalid.
tehatemachine 4 days ago
@ThrashoDeath also you take to much for granted. Everything you have, your computer, the software running on it, your house, the lights, EVERYTHING. was a result of capitalism. competition drives prices down while increasing quality.
tehatemachine 4 days ago
@tehatemachine Actually, once you let workers control what they produce, that destroys the organisation of production which is know as "C-A-P-I-T-A-L-I-S-M".
noprofitmaximierung 4 days ago
@noprofitmaximierung Every Society is Capitalist so you have nothing to really criticize unless it's every civilization that ever existed. Now if you are going to be more specific then i'd certainly like to debate you. There are different forms of capitalism. State controlled Monopoly type (USSR, Cuba, Norh korea), Competitive free market capitalism, or Corporatism.
A society cannot exist without some form of capitalism. Otherwise people wouldn't be able to live.
tehatemachine 4 days ago
@tehatemachine Dude, sorry to say but politically you are illiterate. I am Greek and ancient Greece had NOTHING to do with Capitalism. Just because the traded Money and goods doesn't make them Capitalists. Most ancient civilizations worked with ways worst than capitalism, like having slaves and expanding their lands. However, when the industrial revolution ended feudalism, we could produce much more with much less work because of the new industry production.
ThrashoDeath 4 days ago
@ThrashoDeath "Dude, sorry to say but politically you are illiterate. I am Greek and ancient Greece had NOTHING to do with Capitalism" Every society that has trade be it tightly controlled or freely controlled IS a specific capitalist society. Many people do not understand this and generally wander off in the whole Socialism Vs capitalism when in fact many socialist societies couldn't function if it weren't for trade.
tehatemachine 4 days ago
@ThrashoDeath The industrial revolution was thought of because of Free trade. If you weren't going to benefit from an idea why try it? Or even think of it for that matter. You don't have to benefit primarily from profit but from self satisfaction. Exchange of goods and information is the only way to go.
tehatemachine 4 days ago
@tehatemachine Exchanging goods and information is not just the way to go, it's almost crucial for society to exist and work properly and be civilized. Trade and exchange of goods though, does not mean the existence of capitalism. Capitalism is just a way of managing the resources and the production. Trade does not mean Capitalism. Ancient Egyptians were not capitalists, lol. Neither Russia was in the first decade of building a new society after 1917.
ThrashoDeath 4 days ago
@tehatemachine Industrial Revolution -> Huge production with less work -> Great amounts of goods and wealth.That wealth could be used to make everyone's life a lot better than it is now. However, capitalism was exactly that: it was used so that the capitalists can have workers who get paid with a tiny amount of what they produce so they can keep all that extra wealth for themselves. And yes, USSR, Cuba and China was state capitalism cause of Stalin, that's why they were fucked up.
ThrashoDeath 4 days ago
@tehatemachine Well, i think you are forgetting Paris Commune, Chiapas Zapata revolution, The Bavarian Soviet Republic, Catalonia and many current co-op movements which have a communist organisation of production, anti-capitalism. I am an anti-capitalist marxist, therefore i am against economic autocracy in the economy.
noprofitmaximierung 3 days ago
@noprofitmaximierung All of those that you described where indeed capitalist. but like i mentioned The capital was heavily controlled by the state government. If you look into the Republics of the USSR, You should of seen the stuff they produced. The cars (lada) and a couple of others of course weren't comparable with cars in the U.S at that time. Of course American cars at that time where better ONLY because they had to face competition in production a better product.
tehatemachine 3 days ago
@noprofitmaximierung But when you look at the State controlled countries. They did an Excellent job militarily, Why? Because they had to face competition with other countries. You will find this everywhere. People will only do a good job if they have to compete with someone else. The space race was fantastic on both sides because both countries where trying to prove their technological might. Now it has dimmed down.
tehatemachine 3 days ago
@tehatemachine That's actually demonstrably false. There was a study done some time ago where researchers tried various methods to increase productivity of workers at a garment factory. They tried competitions, incentives, changing the environment and so on. What they found worked best, was when they told the workers that their products were going to be used in some important project. What that meant was that people do their best, when they believe what they do matters.
KeroroGunsouTX 3 days ago
@KeroroGunsouTX I never said anything against that. That's what competition encourages. It has the employers look at every field and find what works best for them in producing the best possible product they can at the lowest price.
Costco is another great example.
tehatemachine 3 days ago
@noprofitmaximierung What you want is freedom right? Which is what everyone desires. Well the only way to achieve that is to use less forceful government. Have a very limited government that doesn't team up with the big corporations. and have a rigorously competitive free market. That is really the only proven way so far to generate equality and prosperity. What we are really all against is power ending up in the hands of the few.
tehatemachine 3 days ago
@tehatemachine I agree that the powers of government should be limited, however, it should be kept in mind, that the more we depend on the free market, the less free people will be who don't have many resources. The free market is run on profit after all, and where there is not sufficient profit to be gained, no services will be provided. It is, paradoxically, for this reason that SOME of the "inefficiency" of non-profit governmental institutions actually serve people better.
KeroroGunsouTX 3 days ago
@KeroroGunsouTX "the less free people will be who don't have many resources." You have to remember though that you do not have to have many resources inorder to compete. Hong Kong is a prime example. Most of our ideas about government doing good while being very efficient at it are mostly based upon myth. Government is only going to do good if it is within the parameters of it's own interest.
tehatemachine 3 days ago
@noprofitmaximierung It happened in the USSR and many state controlled monopolies and now it is starting to happen in the U.S and rest of the world as government is increasing in size. I don't want someone else deciding for someone I want you and me to have a choice.
tehatemachine 3 days ago
@noprofitmaximierung Catalonia a communist organization? Do you know what you are talking about? First of all, Catalonia is a region of Spain, and it is not communist, it's capitalist, lol! The most capitalist region in Spain, with the most capitalist government in Spain. You have no idea what you are talking about. Btw I'm from Catalonia (Spain) and economist.
TheReolus 2 days ago
@TheReolus Sorry, i meant anarcho syndikalist
noprofitmaximierung 1 day ago
@noprofitmaximierung Just no, Spanish region of Catalonia is not that kind of shit. Catalonia is capitalist, and a right-wing party governs Catalonia. Whoever told you that shit was laughing at you.
TheReolus 6 hours ago
@TheReolus Yeah right. And I'm a porn star physicist too.
ped200014 13 hours ago
@ped200014 Man I'm economist, there are many economists in the world. It's so hard to believe? And I'm catalan and I can prove it speaking spanish:
Hola me llamo Guillermo y aparte de economista soy catalán, no se cuán difícil es esto de creer. ¿Acaso tú no puedes hablar varios idiomas?
Is that enough? Maybe you don't have a degree, I do have it and that is something common as long as you have enough IQ.So please stop saying bullshit about the spanish region of Catalonia: we are not communists
TheReolus 6 hours ago
@TheReolus is it so hard to believe?*
TheReolus 6 hours ago
It's funny and ironic how he talks about fixing capitalism NOW, when throughout his career he took advantage of it and became so wealthy.
AutechVersion 6 days ago 2
@AutechVersion So his argument is defeated by the amount of money in his pocket? I had no idea wealth was a relevant factor in logic, how enlightening.
"funny and ironic" Well, considering irony is a form of humour, yes, it would be funny. Your stupidity aside, I find it ironic that someone like yourself who supports government-enforced charity fails to see the virtue of Bill's voluntary donations, or chooses to ignore them.
ihaterobbie123 6 days ago
@ihaterobbie123 LOL! Nice attempt at sounding smart. When did I say his argument was defeated? I simply said it was funny. Nothing you've said in your comment has proven my statement false, or even come close. Furthermore, you make absurd assumptions regarding my personal viewpoints on political systems ("someone like yourself who supports government-enforced charity"), when I made no such comments. On the contrary I do admire his charity work especially in my home country India.
AutechVersion 6 days ago
@AutechVersion No, don't bullshit me, you purposefully attempted to discredit his argument with the insinuation that he is not speaking against a system from which he has benefited greatly. If you back away from that comment you're a liar and a coward.
"when I made no such comments"
But you do, it's called extrapolation, I'm right and you didn't even need to tell me (but you have now with your non-denial denial).
Get fucked, or stand behind what you say.
ihaterobbie123 6 days ago
@ihaterobbie123 So YOUR stupidiy aside, I find it hilarious that someone can misinterpret a small comment, especially to the degree that you have. Hilarious.
AutechVersion 6 days ago
@AutechVersion "with the insinuation that he is not speaking against"
should be
"with the insinuation that he is speaking against"
ihaterobbie123 6 days ago
arrest the banksters! break the monopolies! reform the monetary system!
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RoyalW1979 1 week ago
How to Fix Capitalism? Use Linux!!!
Anduril1231 1 week ago
There's no profit in providing for the poor because the poor don't have money to give you.
beauxq 1 week ago
Bill has turned himself into Einstein, a go-er after his pay and "fame".
SpicyHam 1 week ago
Bill why haven't you endorsed Ron Paul yet?
RecklessX9 1 week ago
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"Bill why haven't you endorsed Ron Paul yet? "
Because he endorses Maobama.
Retard.
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angel83sebastian 1 week ago
You can't fix it. All shapes and forms are corrupt. All only benefit the few. Communism , Fascism , Capitalism. You name it. All who wrote these think we have unlimited resources. Most humans still live in filth , cold and starving.
mofine4ever 1 week ago
why are we showing poor african villages? what does that have to do with fixing capitalism in America?
nutsack666 1 week ago
@nutsack666 well as a integrated market what happens in anywhere is somehow related to every other place in the world. especially if you are talkinf about the most globalised economy in the world and that is USA.
jorge62142 1 week ago
mmmm , i smell..... bullshot. population growth, especially in the highest consuming countries, ie. UassA is THE biggest threat to global biodiversity, equality, economic stability. It's cool though... when the billions of poor are landing on your shores it will become apparent....
iwasgozz 1 week ago
@iwasgozz Y God, what bullshit, "threat to global biodiversity" do you even know what "biodiversity" means, you inject it with equality, economics, LOL !!, Damn the shit hits the fan, all you FREAKS are coming out now with the election getting close, are you on the Barry payroll/welfare too !!
nuxnutts 1 week ago
I like Gates and his motives, but I'm far more pessimistic. When it comes down to it Capitalism has no human face and will never have.
dadgadable 1 week ago
This from a man who can't fix his own product.
onjoFilms 1 week ago
that was extremely vague
i7q 1 week ago
Gentlemen it's called the new world order. It's the only way. Make the companies that make billions form a new government, and have that government distribute the wealth of the world and the technological advancement of mankind evenly among the world.
DamionCrane 1 week ago
@DamionCrane Yeah... Um... No.. No Thanks.
drshlotzkin 1 week ago
@DamionCrane What?! Are you on something how would that ever/work/happen?
thepolice911copeland 1 week ago
fuck bill gates and fuck the flushot too
edwardd6681 1 week ago
@edwardd6681
Jokes on you its opposite day! HAHA FU!
RJBism 1 week ago
he is right...well monsanto helping many indians to rise from poournes to heaven via starving....eheheh good old heavanly monsanto...
algol0504 1 week ago
TIME paid me to say (0$): Time magazine raped your sister, Time hate your genetics, Time owns your minds, Time hates black people, Time hates gays, Time is anti-humanitarian. TIME FUCKS YOU.
FreedInPieces 2 weeks ago
lol capitalism explained by a bilderberger...
nolekulikali 2 weeks ago
holy shit.. i see essays of comments before even watching the video...
easynaming 2 weeks ago
Capitalism isn't beneficial enough from the onset to middle class workers.
Let's think about something philosophically here. Profits are created by labor power. Labor power is created by the workforce. What the middle class really needs now is commissions based on labor power. Workers, depending on how many a company employs, would receive a percentage of their company's weekly or monthly profits. Without a workforce profits cannot be created.
SFIII8510 2 weeks ago
@SFIII8510 Without a provision such as this being set into place, money will always fall into the same hands it always does. By compensating the middle class with some of the profits they helped create, you'd stimulate the economy as well as prepare these people for the times that inflation hits. When wages remain stagnant and the cost of living goes up there will be another rash of foreclosures...perhaps worse than the one we just had.
SFIII8510 2 weeks ago
Why if a person has money he suddenly knows everything?
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vipersasxxx 2 weeks ago
Pisst, Bill, maybe if the people can't eat bread they should just eat cake instead?
euandykes 2 weeks ago
"We can innovate so much but many technologies aren't utilized because there is no monetary profit in it."
Well then obviously nobody needs the innovation, so nothing is lost.
GDP is the produce of one year. It can be computed for ANY system that produces ANYTHING (so every system where people want to live longer than a few days). It is just a measure and has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism or anything. Learn the basics, then we can discuss further on this.
andentoren 2 weeks ago 2
@andentoren What about meglev trains, geothermal power, electric cars, more automation to replace dangerous or boring repetitive jobs? I can go on, this system is now an inhibitor of progress. To produce GDP we need scarcity (to generate profit), it has no relation with the quality of life. The US for example is very low in the quality of life chart, the city with the best life expectancy is Honolulu (I wouldn't call that the US personally). So a big economy says nothing.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@Keessince1988 wrong, wrong, wrong, scarcity will not produce any thing that could be considered/added to the GDP. I believe 90+% of our GDP now is services, we do not manufacture in this country anymore, this is going to bite us in the ass in a big way real soon. to much government interference, so they leave the country.
nuxnutts 2 weeks ago
@nuxnutts True, the service industry is the prime economic engine in the western countries. But to keep GDP up we need to keep consuming. That's why an iPhone only lasts 2 years. That's why engines didn't became radically more efficient for 45 years. And it's also the reason why we still use oil and not cold fusion or geothermal power, that's too efficient for the market system. We keep production low of goods and services just for the profit. Instead we could life a free live.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@Keessince1988 Yep ! "But to keep GDP up we need to keep consuming" is that not some crap or what, but WHO ran the manufactures off ??? Who has spent this country into almost 20 trillion in debt, stole you SS money, want to imminent domain your land, trillions in unfunded pensions, Barry has followed in the footsteps of the globalist Bush's, and now has started more wars than the last 3 presidents combined. How do you think this is of some manageable systems fault and NOT of men.
nuxnutts 1 week ago
@nuxnutts We also make sure that products break down within a reasonable amount of time (planned obsolescence). So you can buy a new one! Great isn't it? Which results large amounts of waste while neglecting precious resources.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@andentoren Furthermore; I'm not attacking capitalism, all isms are corrupt. They all use the same monetary system which needs scarcity, cyclical consumption and has no relationship with the planet resources. In this system we cannot produce enough for everyone, because that goods and services become as cheap as tap water. 'We' don't want that because that would be the downfall of our current economy. Just try to watch a bit of Zeitgeist Moving Forward, it's featured on my channel.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
We should all get ahead and jump on the capitalist band wagon, the more of us on it .. the harder it will fall, then comes the day for of us all to be equal :)
DolanBazza 2 weeks ago
The way to fix capitalism is simply to END CORPORATISM, but Gates wouldn't want that.
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
@SouthParkBear Here we go with the phony choices. The only way to do X is to do X. Not that simple bro.
mographzach 2 weeks ago
How to fix capitalism? For starters, DON'T support SOPA & Protect-IP Act, Bill Gates. We know very well what you do to attempt to ruin this economy and save your own business.
Second, why is someone who can't even make his own product, Windows, properly work telling us how capitalism should be fixed.
L1b3rta 2 weeks ago
its going to be funny when the richest man is going to be buning in the hottest place in hell.
eman12340 2 weeks ago
@eman12340 its not like bill donated BILLIONS. But that just is a minor issue....
grffnchn65 2 weeks ago
@grffnchn65 "I AM the senate..."
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
Words from a man who has never managed to fix his own operating system.
lin545 2 weeks ago
Asking Bill Gates how to fix capitalism is like asking Hitler how to solve the Jewish Problem.
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
Bill, ur a computer scientist not an economist... -_-'
vietorkorean 2 weeks ago
@vietorkorean
Actually he's a robber-baron who found loopholes in the system to enable him to commit mass-fraud and bad faith in business-dealings.
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
@vietorkorean I would not give him that much credit, "computer scientist ", he stole dos while working at IBM, the GUI from xerox, and on and on, all he was and will ever be is a good thief, a marketing genius if you will, kick backs on the preload systems got him where he is, not any superior technology, in fact the Amiga put him to shame years prior to windows even working, Run yesterdays technology tomorrow(or in a few more yrs), run windoze.
nuxnutts 2 weeks ago
Bill, you're not really capable of thinking outside the box. Capitalism is based on infinite growth on a finite planet. You don't need math to figure out that that system is not sustainable. It's like keep installing the latest Windows on a Pentium 2 with 128 MB of RAM, of course Windows 7 crashes or fails to boot at all. Do you get it Bill? We need to evolve into a system which has a relation with the planet resources. Watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward for more detail. It's featured on my channel.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago 14
@Keessince1988 That would be true if we lived in a purely resource based economy. However, i live in the UK and the vast majority of our economy is based on services.
usainlightning 2 weeks ago
@usainlightning That's true. The developed countries moved in general towards a service industry as the prime GDP generator. That's because automation automated lots of jobs out of the production sector. But even now the service industry is being automated with automated kiosks, restaurants, etc. This is another flaw of this current economy.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@Keessince1988 good to hear reasoned comments. But why do you think this automation in service sector is a flaw?
Polovene 2 weeks ago
@Polovene It doesn't matter what I think. These aren't opinions, these are facts. The automation of the service industry is not a flaw. Automation frees people, that's what it's intended to do. But in this economy everyone needs a job to sustain his/her life. The service sector took care of the jobs that were lost in the industry sector, due to automation. Now the service sector is automated as well. This is one of the reasons we have such a high jobless rate these days.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@Polovene With that in mind we need to evolve into a new system. A system that does promote automation without the people suffering. Also a system that relates to the planet resources. I can go on explaining these things, but it would be better if you'd watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward. It's featured on my channel. The documentary explains this new system in 2,5 hours. It also gives information about this current system which you maybe never heard/thought of.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@usainlightning Everyone must need a job to sustain his or her live. So if most work were automated then we would have cheap products that last longer, but no one can afford them because they don't have a job. Now only a few percent works in agriculture production. But we can provide the planet double, according to a UN report we can even support 14 planets. But that doesn't generate profit, so we keep stuff intentionally scarce. Check out Zeitgeist Moving Forward.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
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@Keessince1988
"no one can afford them because they don't have a job."
They'd work in automation, duh.
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
@Keessince1988 Capitalism bases on infinite growth?
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I do not understand how an explanations of markets would lead to that conclusion
Polovene 2 weeks ago
@Polovene All isms (capitalism, socialism, etc.) are based on infinite growth. It's because of the profit incentive and how the monetary system is designed. Please watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward to understand this in it's full form, this short YouTube comment space is not big enough. And that documentary explains it better than me, images explain more things than words. Zeitgeist Moving Forward is featured on my channel. Thank you.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@Keessince1988 thank you i will check it
Polovene 2 weeks ago
@Keessince1988 With renewable energy, environmental regulation/management, and sustainable agriculture, I don't see why everybody can't have a great life on this planet, with all of the modern technological conveniences. What if old products were recycled into brand new products, instead of sending the old product to the landfill? What if we got rid of plastic bottles and bags? We can be sustainable, and have a sustainable economy. I think your conclusions are based on an over-simplification.
mographzach 2 weeks ago
@mographzach No, not at all. Stop sucking on Bill Gates' dick please, he will not be giving you ANY of his money.
IAM18YEARSOLDANDOVER 2 weeks ago
@IAM18YEARSOLDANDOVER I've seen the light. Your incredibly well-articulated and hard-hitting logic has convinced me that I suck too much Bill Gates dick, and I must stop. It is clear that Bill Gates will not give me any of his money. I am sad, because I really wanted his money so bad, but now realize that no matter how much I suck his dick, I will not get it. I realize this now. Thank you so much!
mographzach 2 weeks ago
@mographzach "With renewable energy, environmental regulation/management, and sustainable agriculture, I don't see why everybody can't have a great life on this planet,"
And the blind leading the blind don't see why they'll both wind up going off a cliff.
Agriculture is sustainable as is, global warming is a hoax, and we're going to have fusion-energy in 20 years, just relax and don't worry.
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
@SouthParkBear I'm not sure how your biblical phrase has any relevance to what I said. I guess you thought it made you sound cool though.
Agriculture is not sustainable as-is. Industrial agriculture is heavily dependent on non-renewable fossil energy. Not to mention the soil degradation we're seeing. Thankfully we can fix these things.
Global warming is absolutely real. Just look at the temperature graphs. The numbers don't lie. And yes, it's caused by burning of fossil energy.
mographzach 2 weeks ago
@mographzach
Only 1/1000th of greenhouse effects are caused by human-produced CO2.
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
@SouthParkBear Um... no.
mographzach 2 weeks ago
@mographzach
On the basis of what evidence do you make that incredibly dumb statement?
And your ass doesn't count, even though it's creating methane-emissions.
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
@SouthParkBear On the basis that there's peer-reviewed papers showing it to be so, and that 99% of climatologists agree on it. We're at the highest concentrations of CO2 in over 400,000 years, and that became true in the past century, when we started burning large quantities of carbon-based fuel. We're at 390ppm and growing, when the average for the past 400,000 years has been 250ppm.
mographzach 2 weeks ago
@mographzach
You are SO full of shit LOL
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
@SouthParkBear Stay classy.
mographzach 2 weeks ago
@mographzach
I am, you're full of shit LOL
99% ROTFLMAO
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
@SouthParkBear Go and check out what the REAL scientists are saying, and not some blow-hard internet radio host. NASA is a good place to start, including James Hansen. But you're going to have a very hard time finding any peer-reviewed papers that say that global warming is not caused by human activity.
mographzach 2 weeks ago
@mographzach
Yes there are.
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
@mographzach No actually we are talking about the same thing. Sustainability and efficiency is the way to go, I totally agree. But in this current paradigm we need a system that is not efficient or sustainable. We reward products that have a short lifespan, just look at the smart phone industry. There are complete landfills of obsolete phones just because another phone had 1 megapixel extra. We can make phones modular so we can just replace the camera and not the whole phone.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
But that's not what Apple or Samsung want. They want you to buy a new phone every two years. It's called planned obsolescence and it started way back with the light bulbs. Did you know that the first light bulbs had a longer lifespan than our 'modern' light bulbs? The corporate elite made some deals with each other to shorten the lifespan so that we would buy more lights more often. They did this to ensure their profit. This whole system is corrupt, it needs to be replaced, now!
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@Keessince1988 His method is a solution on a relatively short term, you have to be realistic. He admits that most companies will only act in self benefit. The change in mindset that a larger part of the population thinks supporting the poor is an important cause forces companies to do more for the poor because employees will choose to work for companies that do so. By emphasizing the things companies do for the poor, you will increase the benefits companies get for supporting the poor.
ricklamersdriel 2 weeks ago
@ricklamersdriel "He admits that most companies will only act in self benefit."
Yes but MOST companies can't commit mass-fraud and get away with it, like he did.
SouthParkBear 2 weeks ago
@SouthParkBear source?
dogzer 2 weeks ago
@ricklamersdriel You must look at the bigger picture. The rate that poor people increase is very disturbing and not magical. The interest people pay for they debt goes to the rich as interest on their savings. So the purchasing power of the poor is decreasing. Those rich people will not stay rich because without customers with purchasing power there would be no income. In essence the poor pay the rich. And all money is made out of debt, including the interest.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@ricklamersdriel So Bill's solution is just patchwork. It doesn't fix the primal cause of the problem. We need solutions now which do work for the long run. We as a human species need to grow up and take some responsibility. If that means change in it's true meaning than so be it!
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@Keessince1988 What do you mean by "finite planet"? The sun will keep shining for us for another 5 billion years, is that what you mean by "finite"? As far as i know, used resources don't disappear, so the market will find replacements, better than any other system.
And the growth you say is needed, what is it needed for? It's needed to create jobs. If we have productivity growth without a growing economy, less people will eventually have to/be able to work.
andentoren 2 weeks ago
@andentoren The sun is not part of planet Earth. Gold, copper and oil for example are. And we are neglecting those precious resources as if we have plenty of it. Not many people know that computer processors are made primarily of gold. Cellphones for example are made for a lifespan of just 2 years. There are entire landfills of phones out there with loads of gold in it. Gold is the best conductor we have today. But we don't recycle them because it costs more money.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@andentoren Less people will not be needed to work 40 hours a week because of automation. I never mentioned that growth was needed, it's needed in this economic system. And in this system everyone needs a job to support him/herself. What if you have factories that can create good and efficient products that don't break down in for say 50 years. Then you would have very cheap and good products but no people with a job that can buy those products. This is why this current system fails.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
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REALLY ! "two people will only trade when they both get a profit out of it",
Wow !! "profit" (commie code wording) what the hell is wrong with you ppl, their is NOTHING wrong with trading,commerce and the like until you get a government injecting taxes/rent on property you labored for, inflating and deflating your currencies(buying power), gambling/speculating on wether or not you will labor for them. (con't)
nuxnutts 2 weeks ago
(continued) You ppl seem eager to just give up and let them controll every aspect of you existance. We seem to be pissed at the same problems, just you socialist direct your fustration on the little man just wanting to build a better life for his family. maybe you young commies should fimialirze yourself with this term "capitis diminutio maxima" so you can understand just what your governments think of you.
nuxnutts 2 weeks ago
@nuxnutts Control? What kind of control do you and I have? Giving a vote every 4 years to preselected people that aren't trained to solve problems? The true decisions are made by technicians, did you have control in the construction of the railroad nearby? Or the bridge? Or the computer you use right now? Our problems are technical, there is no democrat way to build a space shuttle so don't expect there is one for the energy crisis. We need scientists, not some liars.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@nuxnutts Culture is also a big problem these days. I wrote a comment which attacks capitalism, so now I MUST be a socialist right? Why should I be any of the isms? The whole monetary system is corrupt, so all isms are too. We need to think outside of the box, we need a system which has a relationship with the planet resources. Not the expansion of the money supply trough debt. I already told you about governments, there is no true government today. Problems aren't solved, but patched.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@Keessince1988 Did I say that, "attacks capitalism, so now I MUST be a socialist right",
Not sure you tell me, As myself I do not see a lot wrong with capitalism, until you get corrupt politicians tell us how to run it, scamming money of of it, and basically bankrupting our whole economic system. PPL are corrupt, deflating your currency (quantitative easing), is stealing your wealth. Wake up.
nuxnutts 2 weeks ago
@nuxnutts You commented this to me: "just you socialist direct your fustration on the little man just wanting to build a better life for his family".
All isms are corrupt, they all use the monetary system. Watch 'Money as debt', it will explain it to you. People are made by their environment and this environment is stimulating corrupt behavior. We need to redesign how society works so we can change the social environment. We need to upgrade our culture and system to the 21st century.
Keessince1988 2 weeks ago
@Keessince1988 "All isms are corrupt" that now is one of the most ignorant thing I've heard in a while. Seriously "redesign how society ", How about restore it to what it once was and meant to be. The only reason America is failing is because they want it to, so as to establish a New World Order, and you seem to be on their side. Want to enjoy serfdom do we. I will agree with you on the elite, Merovingian, Rome(RCC), are all some evil S.O.B's, that have enslaved you.
nuxnutts 1 week ago
@Keessince1988 O' sorry to keep posting, I think I understand you ideas on monies/systems are corrupt, this is one of the biggest misconception of the common man, money does NOT = wealth, that paper/coins in your pocket is "worth-less",
Tim Geithner is one of the new breed, trained in what is taught at Harvard Business know as Financial Engineering. This is the problem, to even think of doing such, with any economic system is just Evil.
nuxnutts 1 week ago
@nuxnutts None of the isms are sustainable. This is a system flaw. This system shapes our social and economic environment. The behavior of people is shaped by their environment. If you were born in Iran then your values would be very different. So men is the victim of culture which is shaped by the social economic environment that's enforced by the global system. You really need to look at this from outside the box.
Keessince1988 1 week ago
@nuxnutts When you understand that this system is not sustainable, in all it's forms (all the isms). And when you understand that everyone picks up it's traits from his/her environment and is thereby a victim of culture. Then you might see that bankers, politicians and the rest of the elite are just doing what the system motivates them to do. Please do watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward. It most probably will change the way you look at the world. Try to have an open mind if you do.
Keessince1988 1 week ago
@Keessince1988 "And when you understand that everyone picks up it's traits from his/her environment and is thereby a victim of culture." Do you have a source for that? The Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement both greatly underestimate the influence of genetics.
DENlERU 1 week ago
@DENlERU Watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward, it's not only Jacque Fresco and Peter Joseph who share their ideas. Also for example Robert Sapolsky, one of the world leading professors in Neurology, Neurobiology, Biological anthropology and Primatology. But of course there are lots of other professors in the documentary as well.
Keessince1988 1 week ago
@Keessince1988 I've watched ZMF, I even helped translate it into Swedish. The movie is made by Peter so of course he selects sources that fits his agenda. Environment plays a big part, but so does genetics, whether you want it or not.
DENlERU 1 week ago
@DENlERU They do indeed. Lots of studies have proven that. But most genes are only 'turned on' when the environment stimulates them.
Keessince1988 1 week ago
@Keessince1988 I'm will look at this movie, but from your rhetoric, I'm wondering if this is not some major propaganda film, yes I see the esoteric agenda being supplied, by watching some bit and pieces on YT. But when you use wording like "system is not sustainable", "victim of culture", makes me weary of what you have been taught/fallen for. I agree with the whole esoteric agenda, but your placing the blame on inanimate objects and NOT men where it belongs. seriously "victim"
nuxnutts 1 week ago
@nuxnutts (1/7) Please watch the whole documentary before you label it. Yes this system is not sustainable. We use a system which is based on infinite growth on a finite planet. That just says it all, I can go into more detail of course, but there is no way to deny it. And yes we are a victim of this system. This system shapes our behavior. If you don't understand that then ask yourself this. Do you trust a salesman?
Keessince1988 1 week ago
(2/7) You shouldn't, they are trained to look like a nice guy while they lay you off. If they would be honest then they might say; 'this TV is great, but the guy next door has it $ 200,- cheaper'. But they don't, they lie to you. They don't feel bad about it, they are rewarded for it. And if they are good at it they are even respected and they get promotion.
Keessince1988 1 week ago
@Keessince1988 Do What ! are you 12yrs old ??
"would be honest then they might say; "
"but the guy next door has it $ 200,- cheaper'."
You do not know shit about business, and talk stupid shit,
Try Union Labor, Lease on building, and the such will affect what someone can sell you a product and still stay in business, Why do you thing products are cheaper online, NO/minimal OVERHEAD. Damn you are a propaganda machine in yourself.
nuxnutts 1 week ago
@Keessince1988 But you did say your only knowledge/reality comes from this movie, (sad), I will watch it , got some sound issues at the moment seem my new graphics card has a hdmi port, some sounds are directing to it, weird, my music has music but no voices/singing same with YT videos, i'll get her straighten out, and will give you my opinion of this movie you have based your whole reality on.
nuxnutts 1 week ago
@nuxnutts Read my words again on the NWO. I'm not saying that globalization doesn't exist. I'm just saying that the Alex Jones NWO is a fantasy. There is no agenda to create one single world super government called the NWO. This system is based on infinite growth, and yes then you get a world government. The elite doesn't need to get together, they are all working under a common goal. Which is maximizing their world influence and wealth.
Keessince1988 1 week ago
@nuxnutts I'm not saying that my knowledge/reality came from this documentary. I said that probably every statement I put here is related to that documentary concerning this topic of course. Please do watch it yes, and try to have an open mind, don't label it and then try to justify that label upon it.
Keessince1988 1 week ago
@nuxnutts You breaking in and killing example is totally not what I said. In that situation there will be a thorough study on why that person became violent. There is a Harvard professor in Zeitgeist Moving Forward discussing violence and the nature of it. Please pay attention when that part is on.
Keessince1988 1 week ago