Philosophy of Time part 1 of 3

[xchris1800]

"...and present is nothing" i stopped listen this no-sense.

[mymojorisin]

I have been talking about the BBT for a while you fucking moron LOL you are so fucking simple it is unbelievable

The fact you do not know you worship the sun is a result from your poor to nonexistent research habits. You do not study anything outside your religious framework so of course your not going find any problems with it. You are looking from the inside, out. You are a slave of religion

Your sun god Jesus Christ was invented by Constantine the Great at the Council of Nicea in AD 325

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin "I have been talking about the BBT for a while..." Right. And BBT, the origins of Christianity, and my own personal faith are off-topic since I was asking you to explain why time and space are the same thing, and if they are how time could be a measurement of space.

[mymojorisin]

@Nalenec

You cannot figure out religion, so what makes you think you can figure out advanced topics like science? If you look up research on intelligence and how it correlates to religiosity you will find Atheists make up the top 10% and people who are religious make up the bottom 90%. It does not take a math major to figure out that one.

That being said, your failings as a human are the topic now. We will try to educate you on your Christian brainwashing and why Jesus Christ is the Sun.

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin LMBO! You were the one who said my understanding of time was in line with mainstream science! In fact you thought I was an atheist even though there there was nothing that would indicate that. The topic of this Youtube video is the philosophy of time so if you have nothing else to add regarding time this discussion is over. Vituperative assails and religious discussion belongs elsewhere.

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin I asked for sources for your specious claim that Jesus Christ is the Sun. You conspicuously left that out. You don't have a good track record for logical coherence so your research skills are questionable AT BEST. I've tried to keep this civil. But you? Irrational, cursing, insults. So who's really failing as a human?

[mymojorisin]

@Nalenec

Do you have one original idea in your head at all. You are using the same insults I have already used on you. What a dumbass.

The trinity, the christian god as three persons, is another example of how you worship the sun. jesus christ is the rising sun, god is the sun at high noon, and the holy ghost is the setting sun.

The christian bible is nothing more than Roman, Palestinian, and Babylonian Mythology. It is used by people in power to take wealth from the moron class (Christians)

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin You have proven to be little more than a troll with an axe to grind so this discussion is over. I'll go ahead and let you give the last insult and pound me over the head once again with some left-field theory about the origins of Christianity with NO SCHOLARLY SOURCES to back that up. You're obviously under 18 so I'm sure you get off on that. Goodbye. No thanks for wasting my space (which you say is the same as time) ROFL.

[mymojorisin]

@Nalenec

I told you 2 weeks ago you were too stupid to understand what I was talking about, but you insist on the conversation so we keep going but now we are talking about your blood cult. It is not my responsibility to provide you with anything. All the info is out there if you want to find it.

All religion is a con game used to separate the moron from his money.

God = Jesus Christ = Sun (A giant ball of burning gas) = Sun Worship = 1 Billion Moronic Christians = Perpetual Stupidity.

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin You should check out the "Know Your Enemy" Youtube series uploaded by TheFuelProject. There is some truth to what you said re Catholicism carrying over elements of paganism such as sun worship (you mistakingly think ALL of Christianity is pagan-rooted, which is false). Oh, and you may be interested in evolutionary theory's "humble pagan" beginnings too :-)

[mymojorisin]

@Nalenec

Wow who wrote that reply? Well thought out, that's not like you. Glad to see you are able to admit to sun worship. I understand that Christians today do not think they worship the sun, but that does not change the fact. If you know your sources are tainted why do you go back for more?

I am not watching an 11 hr series on religion; I have done my research and am satisfied with my findings

Charles Darwin was a Christian; his book is the beginning, before that people believed in god

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin "I am not watching an 11 hr series on religion; I have done my research and am satisfied with my findings" It is long. Took me all weekend to watch. But it is worth it. I'd recommend at least the part on evolution. "Charles Darwin was a Christian..." Yeah, he WAS until his daughter died. Then he became apostate.

[mymojorisin]

@Nalenec

LOL Many people renounce the religion they were born into because they become disillusioned with it. Most Atheists were indoctrinated into religion and have broken free from their mind control. That is an achievement in my opinion.

If you want to know if evolution is true or not you have to learn evolution. You cannot just go looking for things to disprove it. The same holds for Christianity, I was raised a Christian so I did learn it before I rejected it.

[Steve2323ZX]

I love Dagfinn Follesdal accent

[oreoxcookies]

@Steve2323ZX me too xDD

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin Time is conceptual; you don't measure time with a ruler. Although closely related, there is obviously a difference between space and time otherwise Einstein wouldn't call it "space-time". Even a small child knows this.

[mymojorisin]

@Nalenec

Time is a measurement of space. That is the relationship between time and space.

There was a time when every small child knew that the world was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth. Human history is a plethora of getting it wrong. What makes you think you have it right?

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin "Time is a measurement of space." Time is a conceptualization of change. You need some constantly changing element like planetary rotation, hourglass, alternating current through quartz crystal, etc. as reference. Not the same as using a ruler or tape measure for space. "What makes you think you have it right?" Logic.

[mymojorisin]

@Nalenec

LOL A measurement is a conceptualization of a given area. An hourglasses, quartz timer, and even astrological movements are used as a "measuring stick" to measure movements through space and distance from one point to another. Time is a "measuring stick" or "conceptualization" of space.

Everything is always in motion, nothing is ever stationary.

In history "logic" has always been used to explain nature. History also shows that humans logic has been flawed more often than not.

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin "A measurement is a conceptualization of a given area." Correct. "Time is a 'measuring stick' or 'conceptualization' of space." Then why is it that a large clock and a small one (perfectly synced together) tell the same time even though one takes up more space?

[mymojorisin]

@Nalenec

LOL You said a large clock and a small one.

Your not understanding what I am saying, however your understanding of time is in line with the general scientific understanding. Because of your lack of imagination and total confidence that you have it right, you cannot comprehend what I am trying to tell you.

Go in peace but remember that it is highly UNLIKELY that today's understanding of space, time and the universe is correct. Again, history is full of examples of getting it wrong.

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin Questioning authority is all fine. But your claim has to make sense. You haven't successfully defended it. If you find logical error in what I say please point it out. But stamping a big "LOL", ignoring my counterargument, and resorting to the self-stultifying "everyone could be wrong" while telling me I (an artist and philosophical thinker) lack imagination is sophomoric.

[mymojorisin]

@Nalenec

You cannot successfully define the universe on YouTube.

My biggest problem with the BBT is that is starts out with the preposition that the universe if finite. I disagree with that primes.

So you are an Atheist, that does not mean you are smart, it just means you have beaten the religious brainwashing machine. There are lots of brainwashing machines out there including a science brain washing machine.

Anyone can be a Philosopher and the world is full of bad Philosophers.

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin "You cannot successfully define the universe on YouTube." Can you define "universe" in your statement. If so then your statement is false. If not then it's meaningless. And we were talking about time: whether or not it's a measurement of space. Not the "universe". You got lost. No, I'm Christian; I've beaten the evolutionist and "we can't really know anything for certain" brain-washing machines.

[mymojorisin]

@Nalenec

So your a christian, that explains a lot.

LOL You said "I've beaten the evolutionist", I see your a legend in your own mind. If you have "beaten the evolutionist" why does an overwhelming majority of the world accept evolution as the dominant scientific theory of biological origin. The USA and Turkey are the only exceptions to that rule. It appears Americans are dumber than most. I bet your the president of that club, Morons of America.

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin "So your a christian, that explains a lot."

predictable atheist retort.

"why does an overwhelming majority of the world accept evolution..."

They haven't beaten the evolutionist brainwashing machine. Your quote: "Again, history is full of examples of getting it wrong".

"I bet your the president of that club, Morons of America".

This is so far removed from the time/space discussion. Guess you've capitulated and resorted to gratuitous invective.

[mymojorisin]

@Nalenec

You cannot separate fact from fantasy in the religious system so what makes you think you could distinguish what is true and not in the scientific system?

I will give you this bit of information. The Big Bang Theory was written by a Catholic Priest named Georges Lemaitre. He was looking for a scientific way to prove god

Now go back to your sun worship and leave the thinking to the adults

God = Jesus Christ = Sun (giant ball of burning gas) = Sun Worship = 1 Billion Christian Morons

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin LOL Who said anything about the Big Bang Theory? Straw man: I don't worship the sun. Genetic fallacy: my faith doesn't preclude my ability to reason. And YOU'RE STILL OFF TOPIC. So much for calling me a moron.

[Nalenec]

@mymojorisin "Everything is always in motion, nothing is ever stationary." Irrelevant; we're not using the subatomic motion or change in a ruler to measure length, width, or height -- spatial dimensions. But we do use that change to measure time. Clearly not spatial.

"In history "logic" has always been used to explain nature. History also shows that humans logic has been flawed more often than not." My logic wasn't.

[mymojorisin]

These leading philosophers do not understand what time is. Einstein got it right when he said that time and space are the same thing. Time is a measurement of space. The Earth is broken down into Hours, Minutes, and Seconds because it is a measurement of the surface of the earth. Days, Months, and Years are measurements of our location in space. You can go back to 1984, a location in space, but the Earth, Universe and Everything else will have moved on. Memories in your brain is not time.

[Craigmin]

What do you understand about time that escapes the understanding of W.L. Craig or Quentin Smith?

[mymojorisin]

@Craigmin

Well I do not know who William Lane Craig, Quentin Smith are but a quick search on the internet will identify them as theologians and that alone disqualifies them in my book because that religion is a con game and anyone with any intelligence knows that. So if you are defending a con game you are dishonest to the core.

That being said, I think I described what time is pretty clearly in my comment above. It is not complicated but it does take some sort of intelligence to understand.

[empreme]

@mymojorisin Pretty sure Quentin Smith is an atheist. Oh and Dr. Craig has a PhD in Philosophy. He studied under John Hick. He IS a philosopher.

[kfhansen1990]

@mymojorisin I think if you can decide that after spending two minutes typing philosophers names into Google.com that they and their ideas are 'disqualified' from intellectual discourse, rather than critically engaging with the ideas themselves, then philosophy probably isn't for you.

I'm an atheist myself, but I wouldn't be so arrogant as to dismiss the potential for a theistic philosopher to have a valuable input.

[mymojorisin]

@kfhansen1990

LOL What a moron. How do you know how long or where I researched the philosophers in question? You read comments left on YouTube and that is all you needed to drawn false conclusions about my research? You should use some of that criticism you are so quick to had out, on yourself.

There are good philosophers and there are bad philosophers. Just because you want to stand with the bad ones does not comment all of humanity to stand with your dumb ass.

[queseyoization]

Excuse me, i'd like to know if there is any possibility to get this documentary with spanish subtitules? and where?. A friend of mine wants to watch it but he doesn't understand english.

[giriisindahouse]

I think time is the most powerful thing ever to be known to man. Nothing & I mean nothing surpasses the coils of time. Everything that's created will be destroyed. Hence nothing's permanent, if there's something permanent (I hope there is) then 'That' is the master of time. I want to dedicate my life in search of the Permanent One because I'll know then that I've found the Most Powerful One.

[Bredli37]

@giriisindahouse Well, you have one boring life. No one can ever no whether something is and will be permanent.

[giriisindahouse]

@Bredli37 actually yours seem boring & dull. You make decisions even before studying things.

[Sewblon]

Its funny how many people commit the Ad Hominem fallacy when they talk about Reverend Craig. It probably has both Thomas Aquinas and David Hume spinning in their graves.

[HighCardWins]

Craig is a dummy.

[kutless45]

@HighCardWins

He's studied this topic for 13 years. This is a difficult subject so give him a break.

[HighCardWins]

@kutless45 Craig is a dumb creationist science denier. No one should listen to anything he has to say, it's bound to be utter nonsense.

[sh3rv]

@HighCardWins lol you are an ignorant twat arent you!?

lets ignore what you have to say as it IS utter nonsense.

[HighCardWins]

@sh3rv Creationists accept the Bible's teachings on the origins of the universe and life. How about a comparison with known science, shall we?

In Genesis chapter 1 , it is said, God created the heavens and Earth on day one. I can assume the heavens is the sky, right? If you continue, it says God didn't create the sky until day 2. How can this be? The sky is in fact outer space. The authors of the Bible were obviously ignorant of this fact. 

[HighCardWins]

@sh3rv God created light on day 1 as well. Yet, light is only produced by stars. God didn't create sun and stars until day 4.

God is also obviously ignorant of the the fact that moonlight is not separate from sunlight. Only that it is sunlight that is bouncing off the moon that we see as moonlight.

"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also." The 4th

They are not separate lights!

[HighCardWins]

@sh3rv We are also supposed to believe plants or anything can live without the sun. IMOPSSIBLE! Plants day3, sun day4. Yeah, I'm the ignorant twat here. LOL!

[alifeofreason]

@HighCardWins I agree! :)

[ebeatworld]

@HighCardWins Craig is not a creationist. And please tell me where he denies science. He is actually quite fond of science. You, sir, are ignorant.

[mojorhythm]

Craig's philosophy of time books are so fucking expensive! Damn him!

[joel230182]

@mojorhythm That's why I have a Kindle and a pdf to kindle converter. ;)

[OrderoftheWhiteHand]

joy, philosophy of time is obsolete. there is this thing called physics that studies time now. philosophy of mind is slowly going the same way.

[djsmurfie]

@OrderoftheWhiteHand Time is a part of physics but philosophy of time, as an example, questions some of the meta assumptions of time as it pertains to science; likewise philosophy of physics - which is a part of philosophy of science - raises meta questions, such as the implications of believing X: it allows for the analysing of [basic] assumptions held in the discipline, as such it is no more obsolete than physics itself.

[OrderoftheWhiteHand]

@djsmurfie its useless. time can be empirically tested and those questions can be asked by the physicists themselves (which they are). it is as useless as philosophy of mind.

[djsmurfie]

@OrderoftheWhiteHand Why is it useless? You haven't demonstrated why that is the case. Meta assumptions as they pertain to ontology and epistemology detail the implications of certain positions held: they don't aver controvertible descriptive potential 'facts'.

[darkunorthodox]

@OrderoftheWhiteHand physics=based on empirical evidence founded and backed up by mathematics , but only uses this as grounds and language not actual form of advancement, philosophy of time is by nature metaphysical and deductive an therefore physics cant even dream to answer such questions, the only fields that can help are math and logic bc they are purely deductive, not physics

[OrderoftheWhiteHand]

facepalm on letting Craig on here.

[joycey17]

@OrderoftheWhiteHand

if you think william lane craig isn't a leading expert in philosophy of time, i'm afraid you desrve a facepalm.

[djsmurfie]

@OrderoftheWhiteHand Why? He's a well regarded philosopher of time...

[Ilikenuman]

william lane craig, lol

[nlpayne4]

anyone else find the perceived and inferred sense of self importance from suggesting the only meaningful measurements one makes is based on the scale of the average singular life cycle of one human being....also implicit in the assumption is that one's existence is inconsequential after said human stage i.e. death...so not only do you only live once, it is the very face you only live life once that time is measured in such a ways as if to make the human and time at odds with the other..hmmm

[snowtrot]

cool! thank you for posting.

[Ricardo72]

in truth time is ur realit, not something else, that is how existance is such a mega grounds of different realities lives, and u r just someone time, whatever u can see on tv or reach to read about as knowledge of the world wild, it is always dead knowledge when it is not ur time, it is obvious for each knowledge of whole universe and co, it is not even a second where u did nothing at all, how is that entertaining or to be called some time

[Back2BackJack]

My concept on the present in relation to a photograph. A photograph is a true representation of the present. It represents and inmeasurable amount of time. It represents infinitesimal, the opposite of infinity. If it represents an infinitesimal amount of time, how can the moment exist and be captured in a photograph?

[mavaddat]

Thanks for posting!