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If nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; because in such cases all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionarily higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile."
It has now become a serious necessity to better the breed of the human race. The average citizen is too base for the everyday work of modern civilization
Joaozeco - Read Dawkins "Climbing Mount Improbable" for the explanation of how the eye evolved (seperately) at least 4 times on earth. Quite simple really.
Religion and Science aren't necessarily at odds with each other. Read some papers by Dr John C. Lennox, one of the most objective and perceiving minds on this issue today. Really makes you think (No matter which side of the argument you approach from).
I guess to some humans the idea of "someone or something out there" being far more powerfull and intelligent than ourselves is hard to swallow, and some people with lack of mental humility refuse this idea, however some of the most brilliant scientific minds of our time had no trouble at all recognizing the existence of a higher intelligence, Albert Einstein was one of them. Enough said, and don´t dismiss other peoples opinion without a prior study of things.
your wrong. einstein was indeed a jew but stated himself as not a believer. read the book "the good delusion" by richard dawkins to get a clear perspective.
Statis: Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear...2. Sudden Appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and formed. 6 The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils. 7
... that is because the greater the number of a certain animal (how successful it is reproducing)the more chance there is of us humans finding a fossil of it...
Even the late Stephen Jay Gould, Professor of Geology and Paleontology at Harvard University and the leading spokesman for evolutionary theory prior to his recent death, confessed "the extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology." 5 He continues: The history of most fossil species includes two features inconsistent with gradualism:
However, this hypothesis no longer passes muster. Short of the micro-biological and genetic information issues, paleontology now shows that "simple creatures" emerged in the world with complex structures already intact. Even the simple trilobite has an eye (complete with its double lens system) that's considered an optical miracle by today's standards.
So, how did Darwin deal with the staggering realities of the eye in the 1850's? As "absurdly" improbable as it was, he followed through with his theory and pointed to the simpler eye structures found in simpler creatures. He reasoned that more complex eyes gradually evolved from the simpler ones.
Come to think of it, I remember Darwin specifically discussing the incredible complexity of the eye in Origin of Species: To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree possible.
Darwin said: "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down"
There is also non-evolutionary science. The there are several scientific principles that contradict evolution as it it taught by darwnin, ill just mention a few. The first is Irreducible Complexity
Evolution is a proven fact. If you deny evolution you probably dont even know what it exactly is or you are just too stupid, wich is ok, it doesnt make you a bad person... Simply...stupid...
Why would you believe in something that has no proof?
There is also non-evolutionary science. The there are several scientific principles that contradict evolution as it it taught by darwnin, ill just mention a few. The first is Irreducible Complexity.
Hello. Jesus here. Hell needed a lot of fuel and it proved to be unsustainable. Father and I decided to close it down and send all evolutionists to paradise instead. Sorry for the inconvenience.
I am so sick of running into these arguments.. I'm Agnostic (who cares, right?) and support anyone's beliefs - whatever works for you. It's fucking silly to have an argument with someone who automatically shuts down and doesn't listen.. pointless.
geez... there is no point arguing between religion and science... religion is a philosophical ideal, using every day observations as their proof. So what if they got the scientific facts wrong 2000 years ago?? Just appreciate the deeper meanings people
If religious people would just keep to thinking of their books as fables containing ancient knowledge of human society, that would be no problem. But some religious people (fundamentalists of all kinds) can't read it as such and have to warp the scientific world, so that it fits with the imaginative stories, and that's where the conflict sparks.
I have never come across a science faculty anywhere in which at least some of the members couldn't play musical instruments very well or paint or sculpt.
I bet there are many many art faculties wherein no one has the first idea of science.
smiley1037 doesn't even know what is involved in doing science. He hasn't got a clue...art is a subset of science.
I don't know about art in science but there is science in art. the golden ratio for example. an ideal proportion that every culture seem to agree on. most fascinating
Evolution? The last time I pulled a fish out of the water, it died. It did not turn into an amphibian? Over time though? Same freakin thing folks. Science is a joke these days! Evolution only occurs within the same species!!!
is that so? because there are many documented case of life changing species, the Italian wall lizard for example. did so within 30 years. your education is the joke here. do you even know what a species means?
ddtodd74 - "Evolution only occurs within the same species!!!"
Do you really think life conforms to human definitions of species? Have you ever heard of ring species? Wiki that. It's just a short article and you won't be disappointed.
Did you read the article? Good. Now, the only difference between ring species and any other species is that the intermediate varieties of the normal species are extinct - the ring is 'broken' in places.
Exactly. Compare it to the color spectrum. As you move from red to blue, you can stop at any point and would still call that a color, not an "intermediate color". We use a convention to then name specific regions of the spectrum but even then, there is no absolutely distinct point where one ends and the next one starts. Evolution of species follows exactly such a continuous spectrum. No living creature is ever really transitionary except in hindsight once we name certain points species.
Good analogy. The funny thing is that this is not a new concept. In The Origin of Species (Ch II: Doubtful Species), Darwin wrote about varieties of butterflies in the Malayan Archipelago (among other examples) that could not be officially classified because their gradations were so slight. This is just another example of living transitional 'species', although I think that makes the term "transitional species" a sort of oxymoron.
"... who says science have to opposite religion?" J0nny152
Every religion makes "scientific" claims about our universe which, according to our current scientific knowledge, are false. Creation stories, the basis of most religions, are just one set of examples. The contradiction is baked in therefore. People who desperately hang on to their religion usually have to allow for a lot of "interpretation" to escape the inevitable conclusion that at least parts of what they are being told is false.
Mention the name Darwin in the title of a video and watch as groups of Atheistus Brutalicus and the Religius Totalicus come to butt heads with eachother. Why these two groups are drawn to battle eachother at every possible opportunity has yet to be explained. There seems to be no practical purpose for it.
Believers, have you ever honestly asked yourself "why do I believe in god"? It should by now be clear that religions are man made. Among many other things because they can't all be right. If you can not rely on what religion tells you, where does your believe come from. I went through these steps. Once you realize religions are fake you realize believe in a god is a hypothesis you do not need to live a happy life, finally understand the world as it really is and appreciate the beauty of both.
LustnoEnvy, that is my point: if not from religion, where does your believe come from. You either invented god or were told about him by someone who believed in him. If the latter, did you ask that person why he/she believed in god? Chances are his/her believe came from the religion you now dismiss. If not, the previous question repeats itself
You have made the step of realizing religion is bullshit. It is only a matter of time before you realize your believe is an old habit without ground
but what if its important to reaching true happiness after life in this world ends? will it really be worth it to have a small happiness now and suffer in the end? i believe in god because i know its the right way to live, and you can't expect to change that. the problem is that some people don't know their own religion enough to be considered followers, and yet they often are the majority who represent it to others.
pjunk, your first question demonstrates that religion diminishes the beaury of life on earth to some unworthy prelude. That is what makes suicide bomming possible. Reverse the question: if there is no afterlife, are you wasting yours?
whatever your religion is, it will have dawned on you that some of what your holy book(s) state can not be true and could only be believed in the time it was written because people didn't know any better. If not all of it is true, why would any of it be true.
in another comment, i describe that earth is also beautiful, a gift that we must also care for. if i don't believe an afterlife, i would have to give up all religion, which would be a mistake. also, suicide bombing shouldn't be possible. i for one believe we are not meant to waste our lives in hopes of an immediate satisfaction. we must live our lives correctly, not sacrifice them. and remember that these holy books are man-made, by those with less knowledge than us. mistakes should be expected.
pjunk. Exactly. Religion is man made. See my reply to LustnoEnvy: dismiss religion and then honestly try to establish for yourself why you believe in god. If you did not get your idea of a god from a religion where did it come from and can it survive? The position that religions are man made leads to the realization that god may not exist after all. Then find acceptable alternatives in science for the questions religion once tried to answer. Read Darwin, Dawkins, Hitchens,... You will marvel.
i am a human being like my dad... there are dif. races also in the human kind, but they are all humans. If you are of the human kind you grow AS a human being. The existence of races as certain outcomes of a species is no prove for what you claim by evolution, that one species would change into another.
Nice language. I bet your hatred has been cultivated slowly but steadily in the places you frequent. I thought religion was about love and acceptance. Peace.
once i asked a man who believes in evolution a question what made the big bang? he said i dunno ...people these days dont research on there believes they just go with the flow with everyone else dosnt matter if its fake or not.. like evolution and the big bang theory
and if u carefully look at the universe ull see there is a case for a creator ,intelligent designer
first of all, you idiots need to stop linking evolution with big bang. second of all, you expect a random guy to be expert in cosmology just because he accepts a biology theory? if you a Christian does that mean you are a expert in every world religion? people go with the flow, that much is true, just look at you! always using straw men arguments like creationist, a sheep like behavior.
Ummmmmmmm...wow. I just thought the video was cool from an artistic point of view. Everyone has their beliefs and are entitled to them. Why can there not be harmony between Creationism and Evolution. I wonder how Darwin feels about his name being turned into a supposed 'faith'. The art was cool and shiny and that's all I know...
Darwin hasn't had his name turned into a faith: supposed or not.
Creationism and Darwinism can't be in 'harmony' because they are fundamentally opposite. One is none sense and the other is scientifically proven fact. It isn't a matter of opinion...you are either a primitive idiot, or you accept the truth of evolution. I'm tired of mumbo jumbo merchants actually thinking they have any arguments against Darwinism...unless you count ranting lunacy.
primitive idiots?wow wilsparky what a completley biased statement and not to mention the biggest stereotype i've ever heard,i personally believe that there is evolution but i still don't see why people can't live the way that the "primitive idiots" live in my religion were just like you but we also add in how we all live the way god intends us to which is peaceful and loving. people use religions to get through a tough time what do you use? quantum physics? i wouldnt find that comforting.
"creationists are primitive idiots" where is the bias?
Bias occurs when unfair wieght is given to one side in a disagreement which is under bebate. It is impossible to be biased when one side of the argument is palpable nonesense. That isn't bias...it is obvious. It is axiomatic that creationism is clap trap. Anyone who considers it seriously is idiotic and primitive.
There is no Abrahamic god. It isn't possible unless we live in a totally irrational universe wherein the laws of nature can be changed on a whim. No evidence from the past of the present has ever or will ever indicate that that is possible.
If there is a supernatural element to our universe/s then it is certainly nothing to do with the Abrahamic gods of middle eastern fiction.
Primitive and backward superstitious idiots...I was right first time.
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the video sucks, and evolution is a lie at the very core. Since evolution abides to the Big bang theory where there was nothing and then a dot that exploded and made everything which opposes the creationist view of an intelligent being creating everything, an all powerful intelligent being. Big bang requires more faith than a the simpler creationist view. Ockam's razor is perhaps the greatest tool of thought and following it creatism is simple and the truth. Without a god life has no purpose.
Go crawl back into your uneducated misinformed cave IDIOT! It's jerks like you who believe that humans used to ride dinosaurs also. How dumb is middle Amkerica?! Jeeziz!
because people are very simple. They base their lives on risks and gains. For life to have no purpose there would be nothing to gain from it. Everyday is a new one and you can never return to the last, so, without purpose you begin everyday with no risks and no goals and you are not at all living. You are dead. it is impossible for life to have no purpose since if there'd be nothing to gain no one would care. the world is the way it is, orderly and heirchical, becasue there is purpose.
Evolution has nothing to do with the big bang. You people seriously need to actually read a science book. Did you all sleep through high school biology or something? I mean no offence here but because you don't understand a subject does not make it false.
i don't think they're relating the big bang to evolution. i think it must have just turned into an argument to do with creation vs. evolution. aand since the big bang theory is an explanation behind evolution thats probably why he included it. but then...thats just my guess?
how exactly is big bang behind evolution? big bang is a theory explaining the beginning of the universe and evolution is a theory explaining diversity of life, not even where life come from, just the diversity of life. creationist label everything against them as evolution, to hide the fact that the there is an alliance of evidence against them.
The common denominator for Big bang and evolution is that it tries to explain the world in a way, that the religions fanatics can't align with their books.
ccaptorchen amd tristbjorn- The reason to which creationist believe what they believe is that there is far more proof. Science has failed to convince me since its methods are outdated and redunadant. Big Bang and evolution are unproven. There are certain little bits that work but you can't fill a lake with a few drops of water- if you understand what i'm saying.
I'd like to see the proof you claim to have seen. So far i haven't seen anything that was sound. On the other hand there was a project with the coloring of corals last year, which showed that a complicated trait can evolve from other traits, thus rebuffing the ID's straw of the ATP-motor being to complex to have evolved
for me the proof is feeling God myself. whenever I am really struggling with something I can call on God to help me. The same goes the opposite way- i've noticed that for every time that something goes terribly wrong i can only blame myself for something i've done. Such as, once in 7th grade i rode my bike off a ramp and broke my collar bone. The entire week before i was telling my parents to get lost and calling everyone worthless. It's God's miracles and catastrophes that make me a better me.
So if I said that I feel that the theory of evolution is true, you'd believe me? Com'on that's not a proof in any way. It a belief and you can have that for all i care, but don't mix those two up!
And the whole story from your childhood. Do you know that your mind would try to make connections even though you could just as easily have broken your bone, even if you had been nice to you parents?
Believes in any form are a way of explaining the unknown an seeking comfort from the uncertainty!
don't do that. You cannot break a valid argument with a "na-ah."
But, for some reason band things don't happen to me without reason. Here's another personal experience: When i was four i was trying to open a bag of candy with a knife and it slipped and i cut into half of my left index finger. (I have the scar and it goes exaclty half around my finger) Of course i was in pain- but i didn't go to the doctors or anything. i prayed and the next day or two days after my finger was fully healed.
What I do is claiming that an argument that stems from one persons perceived experience isn't valid. There are too many inputs that we aren't aware of, thus we need something on a more general base ie. Science to show us what we don't know. The best example is the flat earth. I bet that most people without prior knowledge would claim that the earth is flat, coz that's what we see. when science come along and show that this is wrong, there are two approaches. To accept that one might have been ->
wrong to begin with or to claim that the science is wrong. I think a little of both is good, so noone is swept away by bad science. But when the science again and again shows that the initial perception was wrong, it is outright anti-intelligence to be stubborn about it.
You state that bad things happens to you for a reason. How can you know that they wouldn't have happened no matter what? My point would be that things happen and people try to put a intention or cause to them that isn't there.
Actually i read once that was it Aristotle or someone that suggested the earth was round. One proof was the way the sun cascaded and you couldn't look straight across to your friend in China.
What "initial perception" was wrong?
I believe there is reason and purpose in every single aspect of life. Have you read how evolution tries to eplain the existence of the eye? (Even Darwin said it was unlikely) Honestly, tell me why you are still alive? Give me a reason or tell why you don't have one.
I'm not sure on which ancient greek thougth that the earth was round, but yes the idea was there. But his conclusion came from observations (science), watching ships on the horizon and the earths shadow on the moon.
I am aware of the explanation regarding the eye. And oddly I find it more plausible, that a light-sensitive peace of skin improves survivalrates, than divine creation.
Why do I need a reason to be alive? I've been asked/ asked the same question before. The answer is simple --
oh the good old quote mining... when you finish with the darwin quote about the eye then read the next sentence where where he says how it did happen without divine crap.
Darwin, My Life and Letters Vol. 1, page 210, letter to Mr bentham admits, When we decend into details we can prove that no one species has changed ( i.e. We cannot prove that a single species has changed); nor can we prove that the supposed changes are beneficial, which is the ground work of the theory.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me
that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord SHAL BE SAVED
most knife cuts are just knicks and scratches. I cut my finger to the flesh and past into the bone marrow. It was like taking a branch and breaking it against your knee. The only part left is less that half of the branch and some of the inner wood. It healed cleanly too. There was no scab or anything. It just healed. It looks like i even managed to clip the nerve.
Religion doesn't bring any methods. It simply doesn't need them. A religion with methods is the Catholic church in the middle ages- a corrupt government. Science too is a corrupt government. I'm sure if people really wanted too we long have methods of using animal stem cells in human beings to help humans. But what would that do to the "artificial heart", "pacemaker", and other industries?
You're confused between the terms of religion and faith. To believe in a god is one thing, to dictate what people should act is another - thereby a method. In religion, God does not abide by killers or ruthless individuals, On the contrary, god doesn't abide by homosexuals or abortionist either.
God is good. He doesn't tolerate sin. Killers, ruthless individuals, homosexuals, and abortionists are the same. There is no method. Only to be good. The way you do it- God doesn't care. He wants you to be good in all you do and attempt for an overall good life. Killers are abortionists. Killing a child, born or not, is killing. You evolutionists should know the that the best. Sincem evolution is based on fundamental parts bring together all following life. (hmm birth). (continue in message)
lezxotic and spadar- you are both very very stupid individuals. For one evolution has everything to do with the big bang. Since, big bang is the theory that brings in evolution. Neither work by themselves. Actually, also, I have taken biology honors and made a perfect score in the class. So, don't call me uneducated. Please don't be that foolish.
I completely agree.. However, you sort of take the Dawkins approach by referring to people as stupid. Since we're sharing our opinions I'd like to add it's not very effective (as frustrating it can be sometimes).
I'm not saying all of science is wrong. It's quite useful. But, science very often makes ludicrous predictions because of assumptions built from assumptions of assumptions. To say the sky is blue becuase light waves refract that way is one thing. But then to say that the light waves refract that way because the sun heats the air particles and the natural gases push past the air particles sending the particles spinning faster and hotter until the light hitting refracts to blue is something else.
You're comparing something non-biological with something biological...doing that doesn't make sense at all. It's like saying the growth of a bacteria colony is impossible because if you put one brick down on the ground, it won't split into millions of other bricks on its own.
creation of life is NOT what evolution talks about, evolution explains HOW the "apartments" are build. from the ground up. never say how the materials for the building came from. your beef is with abiogensis not evolution. the definition of evolution is decent with modification. meaning it only starts when they can reproduce and are subjected to change.
they will if u throw them up in the air enough times, its just so improbable that it wont happen in a million years, however eveolution has had many thousands of millions of years to "throw in the air" the DNA patterns of all life, and we are not the end result, merely another fossil to be excavated in another 100 million years or so (provided earth is still in a habitable state then)
It's a nice video. Also, congratulations on the discovery of evolution. I still don't believe it, but I think most of it makes sense. It just doesn't answer the questions I am looking for.
its obvious that there are peculiarities within species, that is called races of course. It can be seen on many species, like on dogs, or as you like it, on lizards. I couldnt deny that, but that doesnt prove evolution. B/c all these peculiarities/races are a certain outcome of the species, they represent this potential in their own way. They are not a new lifeform.
You want to know what proves evolution? The emergence of MRSA. It's quite simple. Environmental pressure (ie antibiotics) leading to increased survival and reproduction of the strongest in a population (Staphylococcus aureus with antibiotic resistance genes). MRSA did not exist in the 70's, now most S.aureus isolates are MRSA. That is evolution. How can you say that is not real?
Exactly, I'm glad you mentioned that, Matt! What does seem to change or become resistant as Soufpaw mentioned is things that have to adapt to change. If man would stop destroying the earth and try to take better care of it, we would not see as many adaptations, I believe.
what you can't deny is by definitions evolution. get your head around that concept for a minute, 1 generation pass down their traits to the next,(agree? yes or no?) while the next generation is different then the previous, (agree? yes or no?) if yes on both, then you have agreed with evolution. if no, explain why you think traits are not pass down in their offspring, or why you think every generation are perfect clones of the previous, do you look 100% like your dad?
I NEVER said anything about Evolution. Where did you get that? Trace the records of my words. I talked about the irresponsibility of scientists, by claiming God is unequivocally non-existent(period, end of sentence).
you reply to the wrong person or something? I was talking about Einstein...and creationist quote mining him. not sure where you keep seeing these things I didn't say neither. (if I was talking about evolution I was replying to someone else)
well i don't know who accept to be monkey but every one of his theory today is wrong. he is history. science that time what kind of stuff did he had tell me.
That is because science and God go hand in hand together, without one you don't have the other. When people finally see that, it will make sense to them....
I can explain it to you: It's just crap. As civilization progresses there always remain those who try to "laddle" in some god--no matter how things change.
Science is a function of religion: a re-action. Religion has claimed many things to be facts, that have since been proven wrong. Religion sought to tell us where we are from, the problem is not everyone liked the answers. Science emerged as a fight back to religious doctrine. A way to win arguments and prove that the all powerful church was not so powerful after all. Science does not preclude faith. It just seeks to describe the tenets of that faith as clearly as it can.
thats what creationist want you to think. scientist don't set out everyday trying to piss off god. they just do experiments and publish their findings, their findings might be diffrent from your personal interpretation of god, but it does not dismiss god as a whole. a huge part of the scientific community are religious. evolution does not = atheism.
Nice quote, Einstein also said that the god he refers to is the beauty and nature of the world. NOT supernatural being watching over us. Creationists needs to stop trying to get Einstein on their side. Thanks for the quote!
"True religion is real living;living with all one's soul,with all one's goodness and
righteousness.","My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind." Albert Einstein
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
From a letter sold May 15 2008 in auction, written by Einstein.
Notice, letter was from his older years. Some more:
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Witness the seemingly ambiguous statements of Einstein's words himself,pertaining to the baffling subject of God.I believe Einstein did not see God as a man with a beard and a robe like most simple minds do.
"True religion is real living;living with all one's soul,with all one's goodness and
righteousness.","My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
Einstein states quite clear he does not believe in a personal god. I was being rather sarcastic when I quote him since the guy I reply to was quote mining Einstein so I call him out on it and show I can take Einstein's words to fit what I want if I quote mine as well
He said, "a personal God". I believe Einstein believed in the "POSSIBILITY" of God, not a PERSONAL God. I love and respect science. Many scientist have exposed their human sides regarding religion. How else could you explain this quote? "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the ILLIMITABLE SUPERIOR SPIRIT who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
again, you miss my point. I know what Einstein said and have a pretty good idea what he believe, I have read enough biography of Einstein, my comment was a reply to a creationist quote mining Einstein. as if to say Einstein believe in a personal god and he is the creator. stop nick picking at my comment for arguments that are not there.
so you see, science is always changing..science is not always right..that means evolution,even though you call it science..may still be wrong..you call it science because majority believe it..
yes, thats exactly how science should be, it changes to evidence, however evolution is back up by evidence of every branch in biology, when a theory back up by so much evidence it is unlikely to be wrong. Earth is round and not flat, the majority of scientist accepts that, there is no longer "debate" in the scientific community. even IF the majority don't believe it, all the evidence will still say its round. your understanding of science is way below high school level.
well yeah..do you know what science is?science is the observation or theory that most people believe in..if most people believe on evolution, then it is already science..
that so NOT what science is. science is the result of the scientific method! and real scientist who understands evidence go with the theory best fitting the evidence. you have no idea how much resistance there was to it like everything else in science but it was evidence that convince the educated world NOT faith, history showed (even you said so) faith base decision like to held back science and every time turn out to be wrong.
aussiemono. Yes, at science web-sites you never see that the "question" about whether evolution is a fact gets debated. Because everybody knows it's a fact there. Things are a bit different here on YouTube where any schmuck can try to debate anything, haha.
yeah no kidding, matt don't know what evolution means, don't know what theory means, use philosophy as evidence against scientific evidence. thinks DNA is not evidence, ignore the dozen of evidence I provided by saying it fake assumption but provides no counter explanation. other then "you are wrong because I said so. " I really shouldn't get in a habit of debating with them, its the same as talking to a brick wall
well, when copernicus believed that everything including the sun revovles about the earth, almost everyone believed that theory..and then it became the science that time..However, when galileo discovered that everything revolves in the sun, he was not believed by people..at that time,it is NOT SCIENCE..Today, majority of people believe that the sun is the center of the solar system..we believe that galileo is right..
bad example. in truth scientist knew the Earth was not the center for a some time, they just didn't speak up like galileo, people(not scientist) didn't believe galileo due to faith, just like how evolution is being question BY faith and not by scientist. science doesn't go by majority, it goes by evidence!
and of course religion got that spot on first time round did it? the thing your not getting here is that change is the great thing about science, the fact that it is continually altering is testimony to its ultimately unbiased position. sure it may take time for theories to become mainstream, but its still better than the pace at which religious entities are willing to accept a shift in the status-quo.
matt76 or whoever is a creationist here: Evolution is a totally irrefutable and observable scientific fact today. If you want to learn about evolution or any science you need to go to scientific sources, NOT to completely ignorant or completely lying christian sites! Ok? (It would be as pontless to go to a biologist for instance to ask what "The revelations of John and Mark, verse 19" or whatever in "The Bible" means! Do you understand?
thats why i say that the pope is an idiot. The whole catholic church has fallen to the ideology of darwinism which is indeed sad... there is simply no prove at all, that by making changes to the physical organism of a creature it may change it into a different lifeform, in terms of its general physical appearance but more importantly in terms of its specific behaviour. And imo even the assumption that such thing could ever happen is completely irrational.
how is there no prove, I have listed so many example if you go through my comments, don't make this about Darwin, this is evolution. and evidence for it has grown so much since Darwin.
by lifeforms you mean different species? the Italian wall lizard did just that. do you understand genetics? we gave traced it to other species. the example of mutation I listed ALL have documented case, NOT assumptions! you are the one being irrational, the physical appearance change over generations! not just 1
the Italian lizards after geographic isolation evolved a new gut section, because the plants on that island favors those that have them! with nature also selected those with bigger jaw better suited to eat those plants, so eventually their whole head increased. all this happen in 30 years! after several dozen generations. physical and behavior change is observed and genetically confirmed! who is the irrational one after witnessing this and still insist it never happen?!?!?
understand that all this change didn't happen to 1 lizard in 1 life time. it happens over several generation slowly increase in each generation. I think this is the biggest misunderstanding you have.
i have not seen any prove ever of what you assume under the term Evolution. I dont know whateva you call evidence. Appearently the wrong conclusions that you draw from certain observations or experiments.
yeah ..yet these conclusions confirm with observation and experiments from every field of biology, both Christian and non Christian scientist reach this conclusion, to the point it is beyond reasonable doubt that evolution happens. but someone with no knowledge in science NOR philosophy somehow have a better insight to understand evidence then all these scientist? not just scientists ether, after understanding evidence the Pope agrees with evolution.
oh, i never knew that... are you a scientist? how many years of research have you done to come to this conclusion? oh none :S hmmmm who should i believe, reality, or you?
That's all evolution is. All evolution can ever be is art. lol
nagzul 1 year ago
very nice, how about adding color to those animations?
omar66277 2 years ago
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If nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, she wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; because in such cases all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionarily higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile."
It has now become a serious necessity to better the breed of the human race. The average citizen is too base for the everyday work of modern civilization
tHeWasTeDYouTh 2 years ago
How do you know what nature wishes tHeWasTeDYouTH as you are just a speck
valu777 2 years ago
It's actually more about fractal geometry.
stimpanzee 3 years ago
Joaozeco - Read Dawkins "Climbing Mount Improbable" for the explanation of how the eye evolved (seperately) at least 4 times on earth. Quite simple really.
vizdotnu 3 years ago
Religion and Science aren't necessarily at odds with each other. Read some papers by Dr John C. Lennox, one of the most objective and perceiving minds on this issue today. Really makes you think (No matter which side of the argument you approach from).
Stig573 3 years ago
I guess to some humans the idea of "someone or something out there" being far more powerfull and intelligent than ourselves is hard to swallow, and some people with lack of mental humility refuse this idea, however some of the most brilliant scientific minds of our time had no trouble at all recognizing the existence of a higher intelligence, Albert Einstein was one of them. Enough said, and don´t dismiss other peoples opinion without a prior study of things.
Joaozeco 3 years ago
your wrong. einstein was indeed a jew but stated himself as not a believer. read the book "the good delusion" by richard dawkins to get a clear perspective.
pareku 2 years ago
Statis: Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear...2. Sudden Appearance. In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and formed. 6 The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils. 7
Joaozeco 3 years ago
... that is because the greater the number of a certain animal (how successful it is reproducing)the more chance there is of us humans finding a fossil of it...
RocketScience92 3 years ago
Even the late Stephen Jay Gould, Professor of Geology and Paleontology at Harvard University and the leading spokesman for evolutionary theory prior to his recent death, confessed "the extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology." 5 He continues: The history of most fossil species includes two features inconsistent with gradualism:
Joaozeco 3 years ago
However, this hypothesis no longer passes muster. Short of the micro-biological and genetic information issues, paleontology now shows that "simple creatures" emerged in the world with complex structures already intact. Even the simple trilobite has an eye (complete with its double lens system) that's considered an optical miracle by today's standards.
Joaozeco 3 years ago
So, how did Darwin deal with the staggering realities of the eye in the 1850's? As "absurdly" improbable as it was, he followed through with his theory and pointed to the simpler eye structures found in simpler creatures. He reasoned that more complex eyes gradually evolved from the simpler ones.
Joaozeco 3 years ago
Come to think of it, I remember Darwin specifically discussing the incredible complexity of the eye in Origin of Species: To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree possible.
Joaozeco 3 years ago
Darwin said: "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down"
Joaozeco 3 years ago
There is also non-evolutionary science. The there are several scientific principles that contradict evolution as it it taught by darwnin, ill just mention a few. The first is Irreducible Complexity
Joaozeco 3 years ago
lol it's so funny reading these comments!
i'm so lucky to be a buddhist... we chuck out the wrong informations all the time and update it every hundred years or so...
the video could've been better if they add Nujabe's music in it, suitable
J0nny152 3 years ago
i believe god created evolution.
shityname5 3 years ago
Evolution is a proven fact. If you deny evolution you probably dont even know what it exactly is or you are just too stupid, wich is ok, it doesnt make you a bad person... Simply...stupid...
Why would you believe in something that has no proof?
TinoTaliTintti 3 years ago
There is also non-evolutionary science. The there are several scientific principles that contradict evolution as it it taught by darwnin, ill just mention a few. The first is Irreducible Complexity.
Joaozeco 3 years ago
I don't get why anyone would want to go through like believing in Evolution theres no meaning to life then I would rather believe theres a God.
Revelation54 3 years ago
How does Evolution equate to there being no meaning to life?
BlackrendX 3 years ago
darwin was a crack pot evolution is still not proven and is still a theory
tjabob5 3 years ago
Thats why its called Darwins Theory of Evolution....
Stig573 3 years ago
Whatever guys. That's great artwork.
nixisan 3 years ago
This video would have been better if there was classical music in the background, but it's still a great vid nonetheless.
Rockerfell77 3 years ago
Really, if your releguos why are you even watching newscientist?
Go read you bibals in denile now. ;P
BloomingWithJoy1 3 years ago 5
Hello. Jesus here. Hell needed a lot of fuel and it proved to be unsustainable. Father and I decided to close it down and send all evolutionists to paradise instead. Sorry for the inconvenience.
hfhf2008 3 years ago 2
I am so sick of running into these arguments.. I'm Agnostic (who cares, right?) and support anyone's beliefs - whatever works for you. It's fucking silly to have an argument with someone who automatically shuts down and doesn't listen.. pointless.
Cool video BTW!! :D
mindhaze 3 years ago
geez... there is no point arguing between religion and science... religion is a philosophical ideal, using every day observations as their proof. So what if they got the scientific facts wrong 2000 years ago?? Just appreciate the deeper meanings people
J0nny152 3 years ago
If religious people would just keep to thinking of their books as fables containing ancient knowledge of human society, that would be no problem. But some religious people (fundamentalists of all kinds) can't read it as such and have to warp the scientific world, so that it fits with the imaginative stories, and that's where the conflict sparks.
tristbjorn 3 years ago
Jesus (if you'll forgive the pun). One mention of Charles Darwin it seems is enough to send the ID/Creationtards into overdrive.
Lighten the hell up! This is wonderful art.
MacBoyUK 3 years ago 2
I have never come across a science faculty anywhere in which at least some of the members couldn't play musical instruments very well or paint or sculpt.
I bet there are many many art faculties wherein no one has the first idea of science.
smiley1037 doesn't even know what is involved in doing science. He hasn't got a clue...art is a subset of science.
wilsparky 3 years ago
I don't know about art in science but there is science in art. the golden ratio for example. an ideal proportion that every culture seem to agree on. most fascinating
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
Evolution? The last time I pulled a fish out of the water, it died. It did not turn into an amphibian? Over time though? Same freakin thing folks. Science is a joke these days! Evolution only occurs within the same species!!!
ddtodd74 3 years ago
is that so? because there are many documented case of life changing species, the Italian wall lizard for example. did so within 30 years. your education is the joke here. do you even know what a species means?
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
have you even read the cover of a 3rd grade science book?
tristbjorn 3 years ago 2
ddtodd74 - "Evolution only occurs within the same species!!!"
Do you really think life conforms to human definitions of species? Have you ever heard of ring species? Wiki that. It's just a short article and you won't be disappointed.
Did you read the article? Good. Now, the only difference between ring species and any other species is that the intermediate varieties of the normal species are extinct - the ring is 'broken' in places.
Retrovertigo26 3 years ago 3
Exactly. Compare it to the color spectrum. As you move from red to blue, you can stop at any point and would still call that a color, not an "intermediate color". We use a convention to then name specific regions of the spectrum but even then, there is no absolutely distinct point where one ends and the next one starts. Evolution of species follows exactly such a continuous spectrum. No living creature is ever really transitionary except in hindsight once we name certain points species.
z1ii 3 years ago
Good analogy. The funny thing is that this is not a new concept. In The Origin of Species (Ch II: Doubtful Species), Darwin wrote about varieties of butterflies in the Malayan Archipelago (among other examples) that could not be officially classified because their gradations were so slight. This is just another example of living transitional 'species', although I think that makes the term "transitional species" a sort of oxymoron.
Retrovertigo26 3 years ago
so we agree. Now all we need to do is enlighten the rest of the world :-)
z1ii 3 years ago
... who says science have to opposite religion? there are plenty of space for god to exist even if evolution is true ==||
great vid by the way
J0nny152 3 years ago
"... who says science have to opposite religion?" J0nny152
Every religion makes "scientific" claims about our universe which, according to our current scientific knowledge, are false. Creation stories, the basis of most religions, are just one set of examples. The contradiction is baked in therefore. People who desperately hang on to their religion usually have to allow for a lot of "interpretation" to escape the inevitable conclusion that at least parts of what they are being told is false.
z1ii 3 years ago 2
Mention the name Darwin in the title of a video and watch as groups of Atheistus Brutalicus and the Religius Totalicus come to butt heads with eachother. Why these two groups are drawn to battle eachother at every possible opportunity has yet to be explained. There seems to be no practical purpose for it.
Magnulus 3 years ago 2
Believers, have you ever honestly asked yourself "why do I believe in god"? It should by now be clear that religions are man made. Among many other things because they can't all be right. If you can not rely on what religion tells you, where does your believe come from. I went through these steps. Once you realize religions are fake you realize believe in a god is a hypothesis you do not need to live a happy life, finally understand the world as it really is and appreciate the beauty of both.
z1ii 3 years ago
Religeon is bullshit. I do not need religeon. But I do believe there is a god. I have no religeon because religeon is made by sinners.
LustnoEnvy 3 years ago
sin being a religious concept.
gaelwynmackwyn 3 years ago
LustnoEnvy, that is my point: if not from religion, where does your believe come from. You either invented god or were told about him by someone who believed in him. If the latter, did you ask that person why he/she believed in god? Chances are his/her believe came from the religion you now dismiss. If not, the previous question repeats itself
You have made the step of realizing religion is bullshit. It is only a matter of time before you realize your believe is an old habit without ground
z1ii 3 years ago
but what if its important to reaching true happiness after life in this world ends? will it really be worth it to have a small happiness now and suffer in the end? i believe in god because i know its the right way to live, and you can't expect to change that. the problem is that some people don't know their own religion enough to be considered followers, and yet they often are the majority who represent it to others.
pjunk 3 years ago
pjunk, your first question demonstrates that religion diminishes the beaury of life on earth to some unworthy prelude. That is what makes suicide bomming possible. Reverse the question: if there is no afterlife, are you wasting yours?
whatever your religion is, it will have dawned on you that some of what your holy book(s) state can not be true and could only be believed in the time it was written because people didn't know any better. If not all of it is true, why would any of it be true.
z1ii 3 years ago 4
in another comment, i describe that earth is also beautiful, a gift that we must also care for. if i don't believe an afterlife, i would have to give up all religion, which would be a mistake. also, suicide bombing shouldn't be possible. i for one believe we are not meant to waste our lives in hopes of an immediate satisfaction. we must live our lives correctly, not sacrifice them. and remember that these holy books are man-made, by those with less knowledge than us. mistakes should be expected.
pjunk 3 years ago
pjunk. Exactly. Religion is man made. See my reply to LustnoEnvy: dismiss religion and then honestly try to establish for yourself why you believe in god. If you did not get your idea of a god from a religion where did it come from and can it survive? The position that religions are man made leads to the realization that god may not exist after all. Then find acceptable alternatives in science for the questions religion once tried to answer. Read Darwin, Dawkins, Hitchens,... You will marvel.
z1ii 3 years ago
i am a human being like my dad... there are dif. races also in the human kind, but they are all humans. If you are of the human kind you grow AS a human being. The existence of races as certain outcomes of a species is no prove for what you claim by evolution, that one species would change into another.
Matt7ty6 3 years ago
whatever we do...we fnally have to CHOOSE to BELIEVE...we dont have facts...whatever anyone says...
thats the challenge for science - to give us a FACT that instead of making us CHOOSE what to believe shows us what is the truth...
and thats when and how the question of existence of GOD can be answered.
sunnyoraish 3 years ago
For any scientist to say they don't believe in God, I can accept that but, to say unequivocally, God can't exist for a fact, is biased rubbish.
FatBird11 3 years ago 3
Nice language. I bet your hatred has been cultivated slowly but steadily in the places you frequent. I thought religion was about love and acceptance. Peace.
hfhf2008 3 years ago 2
evolution biggest joke in human history
once i asked a man who believes in evolution a question what made the big bang? he said i dunno ...people these days dont research on there believes they just go with the flow with everyone else dosnt matter if its fake or not.. like evolution and the big bang theory
and if u carefully look at the universe ull see there is a case for a creator ,intelligent designer
danwazhere7 3 years ago
My 4 year old niece has a make believe friend too... Its ok :).
CozmoNz 3 years ago 3
first of all, you idiots need to stop linking evolution with big bang. second of all, you expect a random guy to be expert in cosmology just because he accepts a biology theory? if you a Christian does that mean you are a expert in every world religion? people go with the flow, that much is true, just look at you! always using straw men arguments like creationist, a sheep like behavior.
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
Ummmmmmmm...wow. I just thought the video was cool from an artistic point of view. Everyone has their beliefs and are entitled to them. Why can there not be harmony between Creationism and Evolution. I wonder how Darwin feels about his name being turned into a supposed 'faith'. The art was cool and shiny and that's all I know...
Mistress1337 3 years ago
Darwin hasn't had his name turned into a faith: supposed or not.
Creationism and Darwinism can't be in 'harmony' because they are fundamentally opposite. One is none sense and the other is scientifically proven fact. It isn't a matter of opinion...you are either a primitive idiot, or you accept the truth of evolution. I'm tired of mumbo jumbo merchants actually thinking they have any arguments against Darwinism...unless you count ranting lunacy.
wilsparky 3 years ago
primitive idiots?wow wilsparky what a completley biased statement and not to mention the biggest stereotype i've ever heard,i personally believe that there is evolution but i still don't see why people can't live the way that the "primitive idiots" live in my religion were just like you but we also add in how we all live the way god intends us to which is peaceful and loving. people use religions to get through a tough time what do you use? quantum physics? i wouldnt find that comforting.
spartan934 3 years ago
"creationists are primitive idiots" where is the bias?
Bias occurs when unfair wieght is given to one side in a disagreement which is under bebate. It is impossible to be biased when one side of the argument is palpable nonesense. That isn't bias...it is obvious. It is axiomatic that creationism is clap trap. Anyone who considers it seriously is idiotic and primitive.
wilsparky 3 years ago
There is no Abrahamic god. It isn't possible unless we live in a totally irrational universe wherein the laws of nature can be changed on a whim. No evidence from the past of the present has ever or will ever indicate that that is possible.
If there is a supernatural element to our universe/s then it is certainly nothing to do with the Abrahamic gods of middle eastern fiction.
Primitive and backward superstitious idiots...I was right first time.
wilsparky 3 years ago
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minipenguin17 3 years ago
needs music
sharpeiprincess 3 years ago
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This video sux total ass and it is boring like the other kid sayd
Ztron7 3 years ago
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Boring.
Matstoen 3 years ago
Creationists make god cry, cuz their dumb.
Phibins 3 years ago
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the video sucks, and evolution is a lie at the very core. Since evolution abides to the Big bang theory where there was nothing and then a dot that exploded and made everything which opposes the creationist view of an intelligent being creating everything, an all powerful intelligent being. Big bang requires more faith than a the simpler creationist view. Ockam's razor is perhaps the greatest tool of thought and following it creatism is simple and the truth. Without a god life has no purpose.
nablatabrain 3 years ago
Go crawl back into your uneducated misinformed cave IDIOT! It's jerks like you who believe that humans used to ride dinosaurs also. How dumb is middle Amkerica?! Jeeziz!
lezxotic 3 years ago 3
Why does life need a purpose?
(Note: I did not ask why you'd want life to have a purpose.)
tedweird 3 years ago 2
because people are very simple. They base their lives on risks and gains. For life to have no purpose there would be nothing to gain from it. Everyday is a new one and you can never return to the last, so, without purpose you begin everyday with no risks and no goals and you are not at all living. You are dead. it is impossible for life to have no purpose since if there'd be nothing to gain no one would care. the world is the way it is, orderly and heirchical, becasue there is purpose.
nablatabrain 3 years ago
You are very right!
goldenbacon 3 years ago
Evolution has nothing to do with the big bang. You people seriously need to actually read a science book. Did you all sleep through high school biology or something? I mean no offence here but because you don't understand a subject does not make it false.
spadar 3 years ago 3
i don't think they're relating the big bang to evolution. i think it must have just turned into an argument to do with creation vs. evolution. aand since the big bang theory is an explanation behind evolution thats probably why he included it. but then...thats just my guess?
Squish888 3 years ago
how exactly is big bang behind evolution? big bang is a theory explaining the beginning of the universe and evolution is a theory explaining diversity of life, not even where life come from, just the diversity of life. creationist label everything against them as evolution, to hide the fact that the there is an alliance of evidence against them.
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
The common denominator for Big bang and evolution is that it tries to explain the world in a way, that the religions fanatics can't align with their books.
tristbjorn 3 years ago
ccaptorchen amd tristbjorn- The reason to which creationist believe what they believe is that there is far more proof. Science has failed to convince me since its methods are outdated and redunadant. Big Bang and evolution are unproven. There are certain little bits that work but you can't fill a lake with a few drops of water- if you understand what i'm saying.
nablatabrain 3 years ago
I'd like to see the proof you claim to have seen. So far i haven't seen anything that was sound. On the other hand there was a project with the coloring of corals last year, which showed that a complicated trait can evolve from other traits, thus rebuffing the ID's straw of the ATP-motor being to complex to have evolved
tristbjorn 3 years ago
for me the proof is feeling God myself. whenever I am really struggling with something I can call on God to help me. The same goes the opposite way- i've noticed that for every time that something goes terribly wrong i can only blame myself for something i've done. Such as, once in 7th grade i rode my bike off a ramp and broke my collar bone. The entire week before i was telling my parents to get lost and calling everyone worthless. It's God's miracles and catastrophes that make me a better me.
nablatabrain 3 years ago
So if I said that I feel that the theory of evolution is true, you'd believe me? Com'on that's not a proof in any way. It a belief and you can have that for all i care, but don't mix those two up!
And the whole story from your childhood. Do you know that your mind would try to make connections even though you could just as easily have broken your bone, even if you had been nice to you parents?
Believes in any form are a way of explaining the unknown an seeking comfort from the uncertainty!
tristbjorn 3 years ago
don't do that. You cannot break a valid argument with a "na-ah."
But, for some reason band things don't happen to me without reason. Here's another personal experience: When i was four i was trying to open a bag of candy with a knife and it slipped and i cut into half of my left index finger. (I have the scar and it goes exaclty half around my finger) Of course i was in pain- but i didn't go to the doctors or anything. i prayed and the next day or two days after my finger was fully healed.
nablatabrain 3 years ago
What I do is claiming that an argument that stems from one persons perceived experience isn't valid. There are too many inputs that we aren't aware of, thus we need something on a more general base ie. Science to show us what we don't know. The best example is the flat earth. I bet that most people without prior knowledge would claim that the earth is flat, coz that's what we see. when science come along and show that this is wrong, there are two approaches. To accept that one might have been ->
tristbjorn 3 years ago
wrong to begin with or to claim that the science is wrong. I think a little of both is good, so noone is swept away by bad science. But when the science again and again shows that the initial perception was wrong, it is outright anti-intelligence to be stubborn about it.
You state that bad things happens to you for a reason. How can you know that they wouldn't have happened no matter what? My point would be that things happen and people try to put a intention or cause to them that isn't there.
tristbjorn 3 years ago
Actually i read once that was it Aristotle or someone that suggested the earth was round. One proof was the way the sun cascaded and you couldn't look straight across to your friend in China.
What "initial perception" was wrong?
I believe there is reason and purpose in every single aspect of life. Have you read how evolution tries to eplain the existence of the eye? (Even Darwin said it was unlikely) Honestly, tell me why you are still alive? Give me a reason or tell why you don't have one.
nablatabrain 3 years ago
I'm not sure on which ancient greek thougth that the earth was round, but yes the idea was there. But his conclusion came from observations (science), watching ships on the horizon and the earths shadow on the moon.
I am aware of the explanation regarding the eye. And oddly I find it more plausible, that a light-sensitive peace of skin improves survivalrates, than divine creation.
Why do I need a reason to be alive? I've been asked/ asked the same question before. The answer is simple --
tristbjorn 3 years ago 2
because humans with a tendency to stay alive, has prospered and those with a tendency to die have been weeded out.
I can't say that I have a psykological reason to live, but then again i don't have a reason to die either.
My DNA on the otherhand, will try to keep me alive long enough to get passed on.
tristbjorn 3 years ago 3
oh the good old quote mining... when you finish with the darwin quote about the eye then read the next sentence where where he says how it did happen without divine crap.
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Darwin, My Life and Letters Vol. 1, page 210, letter to Mr bentham admits, When we decend into details we can prove that no one species has changed ( i.e. We cannot prove that a single species has changed); nor can we prove that the supposed changes are beneficial, which is the ground work of the theory.
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valu777 2 years ago
Most knife cuts heal relatively quickly, especially if you allowed plenty of oxygen to the wound and kept it clean.
BlackrendX 3 years ago
most knife cuts are just knicks and scratches. I cut my finger to the flesh and past into the bone marrow. It was like taking a branch and breaking it against your knee. The only part left is less that half of the branch and some of the inner wood. It healed cleanly too. There was no scab or anything. It just healed. It looks like i even managed to clip the nerve.
nablatabrain 3 years ago
What methods does religion bring?
stuntmasta305 3 years ago
Religion doesn't bring any methods. It simply doesn't need them. A religion with methods is the Catholic church in the middle ages- a corrupt government. Science too is a corrupt government. I'm sure if people really wanted too we long have methods of using animal stem cells in human beings to help humans. But what would that do to the "artificial heart", "pacemaker", and other industries?
cont'd. below.
nablatabrain 3 years ago
You're confused between the terms of religion and faith. To believe in a god is one thing, to dictate what people should act is another - thereby a method. In religion, God does not abide by killers or ruthless individuals, On the contrary, god doesn't abide by homosexuals or abortionist either.
stuntmasta305 3 years ago
you guys are all fucking stupid - chill the fuck out.
also, to "abide" something means to tolerate.
to "abide by" something means to follow it. you meant to use the first one.
terminalbacon 3 years ago
What was your purpose to even reply to me other than to correct my grammar. There is nothing wrong with a little debate.
stuntmasta305 3 years ago
a question should be followed b a question mark, and not a period.
terminalbacon 3 years ago
Being that I am in Italy, I am too lazy to look for the question mark. Now, what was your purpose of posing such a stupid fucking remark.
stuntmasta305 3 years ago
for once i agree with you. Why comment about someone's grammar errors. (oops, no period) But the abide thing 'was' helpful.
nablatabrain 3 years ago
God is good. He doesn't tolerate sin. Killers, ruthless individuals, homosexuals, and abortionists are the same. There is no method. Only to be good. The way you do it- God doesn't care. He wants you to be good in all you do and attempt for an overall good life. Killers are abortionists. Killing a child, born or not, is killing. You evolutionists should know the that the best. Sincem evolution is based on fundamental parts bring together all following life. (hmm birth). (continue in message)
nablatabrain 3 years ago
I would not have a child if..
1. the other parent is a stranger i.e. rape
2. I knew I wasn't capable of having one.
Homosexuals are not bad people.
stuntmasta305 3 years ago 3
lezxotic and spadar- you are both very very stupid individuals. For one evolution has everything to do with the big bang. Since, big bang is the theory that brings in evolution. Neither work by themselves. Actually, also, I have taken biology honors and made a perfect score in the class. So, don't call me uneducated. Please don't be that foolish.
Squish888- you got it exactly correct.
nablatabrain 3 years ago
I completely agree.. However, you sort of take the Dawkins approach by referring to people as stupid. Since we're sharing our opinions I'd like to add it's not very effective (as frustrating it can be sometimes).
mindhaze 3 years ago
I'm not saying all of science is wrong. It's quite useful. But, science very often makes ludicrous predictions because of assumptions built from assumptions of assumptions. To say the sky is blue becuase light waves refract that way is one thing. But then to say that the light waves refract that way because the sun heats the air particles and the natural gases push past the air particles sending the particles spinning faster and hotter until the light hitting refracts to blue is something else.
nablatabrain 3 years ago
read the comment is sent to squish888
nablatabrain 3 years ago
boring video
rmdort 3 years ago
"God has no place in science, just as facts have no place in organized religion." -Superintendent Chommers
chefsanders70 3 years ago 2
Care to back up any of that with testable evidence?
No, ok then keep it to the church please.
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
You're comparing something non-biological with something biological...doing that doesn't make sense at all. It's like saying the growth of a bacteria colony is impossible because if you put one brick down on the ground, it won't split into millions of other bricks on its own.
Wavanova 3 years ago 2
creation of life is NOT what evolution talks about, evolution explains HOW the "apartments" are build. from the ground up. never say how the materials for the building came from. your beef is with abiogensis not evolution. the definition of evolution is decent with modification. meaning it only starts when they can reproduce and are subjected to change.
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
they will if u throw them up in the air enough times, its just so improbable that it wont happen in a million years, however eveolution has had many thousands of millions of years to "throw in the air" the DNA patterns of all life, and we are not the end result, merely another fossil to be excavated in another 100 million years or so (provided earth is still in a habitable state then)
44R0Ndin 3 years ago 2
It's a nice video. Also, congratulations on the discovery of evolution. I still don't believe it, but I think most of it makes sense. It just doesn't answer the questions I am looking for.
teamph33rsquad 3 years ago 2
"It just doesn't answer the questions I am looking for."
Is that why you don't believe it?
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
gorgeous..
sappylovesongx 3 years ago
mesmerising
intermender 3 years ago
its obvious that there are peculiarities within species, that is called races of course. It can be seen on many species, like on dogs, or as you like it, on lizards. I couldnt deny that, but that doesnt prove evolution. B/c all these peculiarities/races are a certain outcome of the species, they represent this potential in their own way. They are not a new lifeform.
Matt7ty6 3 years ago
You want to know what proves evolution? The emergence of MRSA. It's quite simple. Environmental pressure (ie antibiotics) leading to increased survival and reproduction of the strongest in a population (Staphylococcus aureus with antibiotic resistance genes). MRSA did not exist in the 70's, now most S.aureus isolates are MRSA. That is evolution. How can you say that is not real?
Soufpaw 3 years ago 3
Exactly, I'm glad you mentioned that, Matt! What does seem to change or become resistant as Soufpaw mentioned is things that have to adapt to change. If man would stop destroying the earth and try to take better care of it, we would not see as many adaptations, I believe.
Tynerose 3 years ago 3
What about the fossil record?
What about observed evolution in the lab that was in the news only last week?
What about practically all modern geneology?
What about the bacteria that has evolved to feed on nilon?
What about the fact there has been no example of irreducible complexity yet found?
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
what you can't deny is by definitions evolution. get your head around that concept for a minute, 1 generation pass down their traits to the next,(agree? yes or no?) while the next generation is different then the previous, (agree? yes or no?) if yes on both, then you have agreed with evolution. if no, explain why you think traits are not pass down in their offspring, or why you think every generation are perfect clones of the previous, do you look 100% like your dad?
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
I NEVER said anything about Evolution. Where did you get that? Trace the records of my words. I talked about the irresponsibility of scientists, by claiming God is unequivocally non-existent(period, end of sentence).
FatBird11 3 years ago
you reply to the wrong person or something? I was talking about Einstein...and creationist quote mining him. not sure where you keep seeing these things I didn't say neither. (if I was talking about evolution I was replying to someone else)
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
read darwins "the next million years"
muhahahhahhaa!
DRUMSCIENTIST 3 years ago
lost of time & money.
okayplayer31 3 years ago
well that sucked... 1/5
potofgrass 3 years ago
well i don't know who accept to be monkey but every one of his theory today is wrong. he is history. science that time what kind of stuff did he had tell me.
a1mpidd 3 years ago
nice grammar
wrenmusic 3 years ago
Science is adaptive, religion is dogmatic.
josper6 3 years ago 3
True, Science is like wikipedia ^^
But so are some of the recent bible translations. (-this coming from a christian)
The original ones, support an old earth. Which is the main conflict about creationism. But it'll nvr be a science book, Bleh.
Chiszle 3 years ago
That is because science and God go hand in hand together, without one you don't have the other. When people finally see that, it will make sense to them....
Tynerose 3 years ago
I respectfully ask you to explain that to me, if you don't mind
mariana29081995 3 years ago 2
I can explain it to you: It's just crap. As civilization progresses there always remain those who try to "laddle" in some god--no matter how things change.
GetMeThere1 3 years ago
Science is a function of religion: a re-action. Religion has claimed many things to be facts, that have since been proven wrong. Religion sought to tell us where we are from, the problem is not everyone liked the answers. Science emerged as a fight back to religious doctrine. A way to win arguments and prove that the all powerful church was not so powerful after all. Science does not preclude faith. It just seeks to describe the tenets of that faith as clearly as it can.
BozzerFace 3 years ago
Scientist want to totally dismiss that God alone created everything...without God we would not have science, without God we would not be here.
Tynerose 3 years ago
thats what creationist want you to think. scientist don't set out everyday trying to piss off god. they just do experiments and publish their findings, their findings might be diffrent from your personal interpretation of god, but it does not dismiss god as a whole. a huge part of the scientific community are religious. evolution does not = atheism.
so appreciated if you keep that lie to yourself.
ccaptorchen 3 years ago 2
Religion and Science are complete opposites.
that is not to say they always oppose each other but the methodology is totally different.
The only place for religion is where the light of science has not yet reached.
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago
If you are looking at the methodology of either than you have missed out on the big picture...without God there would be no science.
Tynerose 3 years ago
Just some food for thought..."Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -Albert Einstein
Tynerose 3 years ago
quote mining Albert Einstein. can I play too?
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses" -Albert Einstein
Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954
ccaptorchen 3 years ago 2
Nice quote, Einstein also said that the god he refers to is the beauty and nature of the world. NOT supernatural being watching over us. Creationists needs to stop trying to get Einstein on their side. Thanks for the quote!
thomasamagne 3 years ago 5
"True religion is real living;living with all one's soul,with all one's goodness and
righteousness.","My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind." Albert Einstein
FatBird11 3 years ago
Just to add some:
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
From a letter sold May 15 2008 in auction, written by Einstein.
Notice, letter was from his older years. Some more:
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
This contradicts the first quote.
Niemenzki 3 years ago
Witness the seemingly ambiguous statements of Einstein's words himself,pertaining to the baffling subject of God.I believe Einstein did not see God as a man with a beard and a robe like most simple minds do.
"True religion is real living;living with all one's soul,with all one's goodness and
righteousness.","My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
FatBird11 3 years ago
Einstein states quite clear he does not believe in a personal god. I was being rather sarcastic when I quote him since the guy I reply to was quote mining Einstein so I call him out on it and show I can take Einstein's words to fit what I want if I quote mine as well
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
He said, "a personal God". I believe Einstein believed in the "POSSIBILITY" of God, not a PERSONAL God. I love and respect science. Many scientist have exposed their human sides regarding religion. How else could you explain this quote? "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the ILLIMITABLE SUPERIOR SPIRIT who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
FatBird11 3 years ago
again, you miss my point. I know what Einstein said and have a pretty good idea what he believe, I have read enough biography of Einstein, my comment was a reply to a creationist quote mining Einstein. as if to say Einstein believe in a personal god and he is the creator. stop nick picking at my comment for arguments that are not there.
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
Yay, let's all quote mine!!!!
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one."-Albert Einstein
MaxSafeheaD 3 years ago 2
and a majority also 'believe' in gravity, and gravity may still be wrong
bi0ha2ard 3 years ago
there's difference between something being outright wrong and open to fine-tuning.
wrenmusic 3 years ago
so you see, science is always changing..science is not always right..that means evolution,even though you call it science..may still be wrong..you call it science because majority believe it..
jethrodlsu 3 years ago
yes, thats exactly how science should be, it changes to evidence, however evolution is back up by evidence of every branch in biology, when a theory back up by so much evidence it is unlikely to be wrong. Earth is round and not flat, the majority of scientist accepts that, there is no longer "debate" in the scientific community. even IF the majority don't believe it, all the evidence will still say its round. your understanding of science is way below high school level.
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
please stop with the evolution bs would you?
YUPnNOPE 3 years ago
darwin was a foolish I don't believe he was believed what said that time
a1mpidd 3 years ago
lol
Blitzingtakin 3 years ago
well yeah..do you know what science is?science is the observation or theory that most people believe in..if most people believe on evolution, then it is already science..
jethrodlsu 3 years ago
that so NOT what science is. science is the result of the scientific method! and real scientist who understands evidence go with the theory best fitting the evidence. you have no idea how much resistance there was to it like everything else in science but it was evidence that convince the educated world NOT faith, history showed (even you said so) faith base decision like to held back science and every time turn out to be wrong.
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
aussiemono. Yes, at science web-sites you never see that the "question" about whether evolution is a fact gets debated. Because everybody knows it's a fact there. Things are a bit different here on YouTube where any schmuck can try to debate anything, haha.
winterstellar 3 years ago
yeah no kidding, matt don't know what evolution means, don't know what theory means, use philosophy as evidence against scientific evidence. thinks DNA is not evidence, ignore the dozen of evidence I provided by saying it fake assumption but provides no counter explanation. other then "you are wrong because I said so. " I really shouldn't get in a habit of debating with them, its the same as talking to a brick wall
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
well, when copernicus believed that everything including the sun revovles about the earth, almost everyone believed that theory..and then it became the science that time..However, when galileo discovered that everything revolves in the sun, he was not believed by people..at that time,it is NOT SCIENCE..Today, majority of people believe that the sun is the center of the solar system..we believe that galileo is right..
jethrodlsu 3 years ago
bad example. in truth scientist knew the Earth was not the center for a some time, they just didn't speak up like galileo, people(not scientist) didn't believe galileo due to faith, just like how evolution is being question BY faith and not by scientist. science doesn't go by majority, it goes by evidence!
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
and of course religion got that spot on first time round did it? the thing your not getting here is that change is the great thing about science, the fact that it is continually altering is testimony to its ultimately unbiased position. sure it may take time for theories to become mainstream, but its still better than the pace at which religious entities are willing to accept a shift in the status-quo.
wrenmusic 3 years ago
matt76 or whoever is a creationist here: Evolution is a totally irrefutable and observable scientific fact today. If you want to learn about evolution or any science you need to go to scientific sources, NOT to completely ignorant or completely lying christian sites! Ok? (It would be as pontless to go to a biologist for instance to ask what "The revelations of John and Mark, verse 19" or whatever in "The Bible" means! Do you understand?
winterstellar 3 years ago
add some music. And to all these people having a debate about evolution - there is no debate. Evolution is 99% accepted by the science community.
Aussiemoo 3 years ago
thats why i say that the pope is an idiot. The whole catholic church has fallen to the ideology of darwinism which is indeed sad... there is simply no prove at all, that by making changes to the physical organism of a creature it may change it into a different lifeform, in terms of its general physical appearance but more importantly in terms of its specific behaviour. And imo even the assumption that such thing could ever happen is completely irrational.
Matt7ty6 3 years ago
how is there no prove, I have listed so many example if you go through my comments, don't make this about Darwin, this is evolution. and evidence for it has grown so much since Darwin.
by lifeforms you mean different species? the Italian wall lizard did just that. do you understand genetics? we gave traced it to other species. the example of mutation I listed ALL have documented case, NOT assumptions! you are the one being irrational, the physical appearance change over generations! not just 1
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
the Italian lizards after geographic isolation evolved a new gut section, because the plants on that island favors those that have them! with nature also selected those with bigger jaw better suited to eat those plants, so eventually their whole head increased. all this happen in 30 years! after several dozen generations. physical and behavior change is observed and genetically confirmed! who is the irrational one after witnessing this and still insist it never happen?!?!?
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
understand that all this change didn't happen to 1 lizard in 1 life time. it happens over several generation slowly increase in each generation. I think this is the biggest misunderstanding you have.
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
i have not seen any prove ever of what you assume under the term Evolution. I dont know whateva you call evidence. Appearently the wrong conclusions that you draw from certain observations or experiments.
Matt7ty6 3 years ago
yeah ..yet these conclusions confirm with observation and experiments from every field of biology, both Christian and non Christian scientist reach this conclusion, to the point it is beyond reasonable doubt that evolution happens. but someone with no knowledge in science NOR philosophy somehow have a better insight to understand evidence then all these scientist? not just scientists ether, after understanding evidence the Pope agrees with evolution.
ccaptorchen 3 years ago
oh, i never knew that... are you a scientist? how many years of research have you done to come to this conclusion? oh none :S hmmmm who should i believe, reality, or you?
Anstice 3 years ago