Unconvincing arguments against Scottish independence

[BigBadSaint]

I like how you fail to refute the (simplistic but direct) arguments

[hamsterminator]

Yes, lets (scots) all base our future on a finite source of money which is widely known to be rapidly running out, in a future world where using fossil fuels is likely to be discouraged through international sanctions and taxes. Genius! If Scots could get over the ENTIRELY fictional sensation of being oppressed by a nation which provides the majority of their income we might be able to move on...

[Whightwolf]

@Tam1297 "To squalor under" I mean to suffer under or to live in squalor because of, are both fine. But yeah you're using it as a verb there.

[TheErmerm999]

and i would like to propose a tax on are new oil witch we will sell you the TYMBEWSAM THOUSAND YEAR OF MURDERING B*****D ENGLISH WHO STOAL ARE MONEY BIT LONG LETS JUST CALL IT COMPENSAION

[boyamIhappy]

I love England dearly. The sooner we rid ourselves of the parasites north of the border, the better off we will be, in every sense. Why should we subsidise the Scots? It's an established and widely accepted fact that England is the economic powerhouse of the UK. Scotland cannot survive on it's own, but i do wish they would would go away and try! A whole nation of haggis eating, whisky swilling alcoholics! GO WITH OUR ENGLISH BLESSING. And while you're at it, get your own Queen!

[TheErmerm999]

@boyamIhappy see when ( when not if ) we are independent and we are selling u are oil and u say but this oil costs alot ye ur right so get back to ur coal fire and your horse and cart

[875309100]

The fact is, Scotland doesn't want independence. And if they did, they would wish they hadn't later on if they get their bloody independence.

[MrScottishJamie]

@875309100 after a referendum we will know what is what

[spudnick3490]

@Tam1297

It's fact..

Scotland will no longer recieve income from the Barnett Formular...And as Scotland has a much lower population than England..Taxes need to be raised to sustain itself..

Surplus? You mean running off UK money? Exactly why Scotland will fail..

Natural resources? You mean the oil that will run out in 40 years? yeah...Good luck with that

Who said they are fighting tooth and nail to keep Scotland? No one did..Scotland can leave when ever they want..And they don't

[spudnick3490]

@Tam1297

Have fun with the extra 5.5k of tax everyone will have to pay..

Your country has no capabilities to sustain itself..

[mrkjames9]

IMPORTANT! Check out the GERS report that has just been released on the newsnetscotland website! Scotland subsidises the rest of the UK! We are loaded! Read the other article on why Scotland is better off leaving bankrupt Britain! The FACTS are here finally! All the reasons on why we should become independent! If you want to know how to shut up a unionist direct them to this website and you wont hear from them again. I can't see Westminster getting round this! Vote YES in the in the REFERENDUM

[NOVATICANWARS]

@Tam1297 An accident of birth? ..aye......And everthing that happened bertween The Union of the crowns and legal union was,well lots a what happend had nothing to do with legal union Tam, A lot of what youve mentioned has nothing to do with it. as iv.e said before once the Crowns were united the next step was legal union.

[NOVATICANWARS]

@Tam1297 Thats a good one. The King of scotland Actually Takes over the throne of ENGLAND, becoming King of both(think he was king of Ireland to .andhad a claim to be King of France). what an Achievement!! Not just for his own Royal house but the whole country. Now it doesnt take an Einstien to figure out what the next step is going to be!!Get reading yersel Tam . even better get Googlin, ye kin find oot HUNNERZA THINGS!!

[NOVATICANWARS]

@Tam1297 this is another piece of tripe Tam, the union actually began wwith the Union of the Crowns, the legal union roughly 1oo years ltr It was inevitable that the two people,s should unite. Same languague, practically the same race and the same aspirations. Allthis pish aboot the lords got money blah blah if the peoples wldnt have been united this way it wld have been some other. this lookin back and then falsfying a history to suitis standard seperatist fare. Think were awe gettin used t it!

[NOVATICANWARS]

@Tam1297 Tam yur tellin porkies noo.cld stoapsniffin glue for ten minutes please.

[NOVATICANWARS]

@Tam1297 YER No Making at awe tam,The jacobite army (which was nearly on third lowlandersat Cullodenwere fightin to Put Charlie on the throne of Britian,i.e.scotland and England. and you maintain once this happenedcharlie was gonny let Scotland secede. Am i following you right here?

[NOVATICANWARS]

@Tam1297 When wiz that tam? when did the British army slaughter Scots people in a genocide. because they were agianst the union?

[themog90]

Using quotes from nutters off youtube is no way to support a belief that arguments against Scottish independence are not valid.

[themog90]

Thirdly, Scotland is supported by about £30billion of English money raised by English tax payers. Scottish independence would result in either higher taxes or drastically reduced govt spending, either of which would handicap the economy. More than that, the Scottish economy is not broad enough to cope with any exogenous shocks that may present themselves in the future. Breaking with the UK would leave Scotland in a dubious position in the future.

[themog90]

Secondly Scottish independence will result in anything but Scottish independence. The adoption of the Euro will nullify any ability Scotland has to determine its own monetary policy. Instead of being ruled by British people, you'll be ruled by the EU where you're ability to influence broader EU policy will be dramatically reduced as Scotland would have a far smaller bargaining position than the UK as a whole

[themog90]

There are so many mistakes in this its faintly ludicrous. The act of union was a direct consequence of Scotland bankrupting itself as the result of a gamble it took in trying to colonize an inhospitable region of central america. Scots weren't conned into it, they were saved from complete economic and political collapse. This is hardly relevant to the present or future now though is it.

[Lab356]

@Tam1297 yes, that bit is, but the remaining 70% is on the Scottish. Anyway, I'm not bothered by little facts, get your beloved Scottish government to make clear it's intentions and call a referendum on independence, or even better, say that the 2011 election result will be a mandate for it, and if you should fail, then clearly the people of Scotland don't want it

[Lab356]

@Tam1297 I've mentioned Scottish elections, they beat Labour by a single seat in a mid term election with poor turnout and problems with voting machines, please read properly, it does actually say Scottish elections

[Lab356]

@Tam1297 your knowledge is poor, the most MPs they've ever had is 12 in 1974, and in 1979 they were slaughtered and got a pathetic 2. The most consistent they've had is 6. In the Scottish Parliament, they have no overall majority by a clear margin, and in 2007 only beat Labour by a single seat, even after they'd been in government for 10 years in a mid term election where turnout was awfully low and there were problems with the voting machines.

[frbjoernLA]

@Tam1297 It was intended to be very pro Scottish and not intended to complement the conquering cut throat English. In answer to your question, yes!! I learned that as a child when I was stuck in England for a number of nightmare years.

[frbjoernLA]

@Tam1297 Will you please stop confusing this matter with verifiable historical facts!!

[Lab356]

Is it perhaps because the large majority of Scottish people like being in the UK? Gosh, now that is a big surprise, I would have thought your glorious FM would have moved the mountains to Carlisle and made Scotland free, but oh sorry, he doesn't have the mandate to give Scotland freedom.

Oh England is so evil, they're all murderous vicious bastards, ohh, they force us to stay, really? Why did over a million sensible Scots vote for unionist parties then? Why is Labour the party of Scotland?

[Lab356]

Off you go then, become Independent, it will save my wallet a lot of money, and the satisfaction as Scottish workers move below the border actually looking for work will make me laugh my arse off. Come on call my bluff, call the referendum you promised.

Ohh? You can't? You won't? Why not? I want a referendum on independence, why Alexander, why? Is it because your party is weak and pathetic, probably, you say you want freedddoomm, and yet you've had 4 years to get it, come on then, where is it?

[MrScottishJamie]

@Tam1297 O would, or I had seen the day That treason thus could sell us, My auld gray head had lien in clay, Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace! But pith and power, till my last hour, I'll mak' this declaration; We've bought and sold for English gold--  Such a parcel of rogues in a nation.

robert burns said this in a song this phase makes more sense than any unionist

free scotland alba gu brath

[MrScottishJamie]

@urukhey not bad better than uks debt

[jed371]

why hasnt it happened then? i thought there was gonna be a referendum? Im english and would be happy for scotland and wales to be independent. The UK was dead when they introduced 1997 devolution, scottish mps shouldnt be allowed to vote on english matters. Westminster should be the parliament of england, scots shouldnt be allowed to step foot in it. speaking as an englishmen - Scotland take your independence as soon as possible and get out of our parliament, it cannot come sooner

[MrScottishJamie]

@jed371 because your union parties would block it there is not many scottish mps compared to englands we r ment to be united stop moaning no wonder scotland wants to leave if england is full of people like u

[STccfc4EVA]

Scotland would be better off independent. So would Wales too.

[MrScottishJamie]

@STccfc4EVA i hope scots and welsh and irish r free from westminster

[14th20thKRHkickass]

@urukhey uuuh I'm fairly sure that their country is crumbling at the first hurdle without our support lmao

[14th20thKRHkickass]

you're going................going NOWHERE

[Lab356]

Er Labour received 1 million votes at the last election, sorry, is Labour a unionist party? oh whoops, clumsy me, so it is. Shame the SNP got less than 500,000, oh whoops, does that mean that the nationalists are in the minority? Oh, so it does! But daddy, doesn't everyone in Scotland want independence? Oh yes of course, 20% of us want to leave, that means we nationalists are the in majority, we're the voice of Scotland. SNP= failures. 4 years of shit, and you're still not independent- fails

[MrScottishJamie]

@Lab356 oh look a labourite . labour would block alex salmond from being fm even he won that is undemoratic . labour also vote against decrease in fuel prices and wanted to put up council taxes and employ more managers in nhs but less nurses and doctors read newsnet scotland for more info also labour gordon brown caused the recession and blocked the right for people to vote on independence . its the scottish election that matters

[MegaMusicFan1234]

This is Scotlands future we are talking about! If we want to become Independent then we will, the English have no say in what we do this is our future and keep that in mind, we all have our own views but you have to keep in mind this is our choice and not the English!!!!

[MegaMusicFan1234]

this is stupid if we want to be our own country we wil be our own country, England has no say it! This is Scotlands future no one else!

[mothersuperior03]

However, as a union we are a more powerful force in the world... Love it or hate it, the union makes us stronger... We need to make it fair, for us the English it isn't. Make it fair and then we can push towards a bigger British power...

[mothersuperior03]

I would say stay with us in England... But as you said 30bn pounds we have to give to you, so you can have free university places and free care for elderly... The English are worse off in the Union, so yh sod off, so we can take back OUR money and the EU can rule you....

[fuckingpillock]

@Tam1297 @Tam1297 A sentiment I can fully understand. I think you're right when you say we should all be pushing for independence. I'd quite happily see the dissolution of the union. Without any disrespect to the Scots or Welsh, Northern Irish etc, you can all do as you please, obv. You certainly don't need England, don't see why we "need" a union either. All seems very, antiquated. The ultimate likely scenario is that all "home" countries will be swallowed up by Europe at some point anyway.

[Whightwolf]

@Tam1297 Squalor isn't a verb.

[ALMAlex5]

Scotland isnt an oppressed region. Its fully represented in the House of commons. The reason you have less mps than england, is because we have more people. Its only fair we have more mps

If anything Scotland has too much power. Scotland has its own Parliament and gets to vote in Westminster. Yet England doesnt have a Parliament and Scottish MPs get to vote for English affairs. thats not fair

Also the referendum for independence is a joke. Parliament is supreme and wont recognize it

[kelticlake]

Well if these English who say these things in regards to "being glad" to see the back of us. All I can say is they must be very worried about us since they DO enough talking about it. If that is what WORLD POWER is than I don't want it thank you.

[Lightf00t1]

I can't believe that some English people actually argue that they should have a say on whether we secede from the outdated Union. Are they retarded?

[fuckingpillock]

Many English I know would be happy to see the dissolution of the Union in its entirety, however, those that speak out against it are perhaps afraid of change. To me, if the Scots want out, what's the point in keeping it. Total independence for all. Perhaps then, there'll be no reason to hate the English, as no one could then accuse them of "governing/ruling the Celtic nations" etc. Or would that just spoil the fun? ;)

[JoJo333335555]

I also despise Alex Sammonds view on independence. He wishes to keep the Queen has head of state, he wishes to let The Bank of England continue to dictate interest rates-which is okay, until you think that The Bank of England will set their rates to benefit England,Wales. Not scotland, which could financialy cripple Scotland in any peroid of economic progress/downturn. If he wants independence then he should aim to actualy become a seperate country entirely

[freescotlandnow]

You're wrong. Alex Salmond probably prefers a republic but he has to deal with the situation as it is. In any case it's a decision for when we are independent, not at the moment. We don't want to be divided 'n' duled we need to unite to make it happen. SNP policy is to join the Euro though we might require an interim position until that happens. Some want to leave the EU altogether but again we can only decide that after we get our independence.

[PeterFirthFan]

Well you will never ever get independence so don't waste time worrying about it.

[CenturionRyan]

It's people like you who said the same thing about Ireland 90 years ago.

[supershikoku]

Why do you want to break up one of the most famous and succesfull unions in man's history? Without the Union I'm betting the British isles would have been sucessfully invaded by the Germans and that the largest Empire the earth has ever seen would of never come around. Scotland and Wales need more freedom yes, but there is no need to just throw away one of the only superpowers in the world that is not completely corrupt.

[freescotlandnow]

Firstly, the UK is not a 'superpower' and hasn't been for some time. Secondly it is an obstacle to Scotland having our own direct voice in the EU and UN. Also the British Parliament is pretty corrupt, or hadn't you heard?

[mudfries]

scotland is a nation not a region, country's are better when they run their own affairs, the union is holding us back' and not just us but the other country's in it as well! lets have an independant england and wales, we'll always be neighbours! and friends, we'll have a new union, a union based on friendship and mutual respect as equal nations, the unionists try to smear the SNP as separatists, THEY are the separatists! they want to keep scotland separate from its rightfull place in the world!

[Spacepope3k]

In a world where everyone is globalising do you think it wise that we should split ourselves? The UK plays a small enough role in the international community as it is. Who would care about our opinions if we were split? Also, why do the Scottish public want Independance anyway? Threatened identity? You have the Strongest identity out of all the countries in the British Isles. And the British tax payer is there to support Scotland and vice versa, why split ourselves after 300 years of success?

[freescotlandnow]

Yes. The British Empire is over and the union needs to join it. Britain imagines it has a 'big voice' but it doesn't. We want equality with the other country's of the world, we can do better than this unequal union.

[sgealp]

Before anything I'd like to say I enjoyed the video (thanks free Scotland now for the posting) .

I will be voting for Independence in 2010. Also Scotland would be better off in the long run just look who Norway did.

Oh & another thing on a world scale people are more proud of their Scottish Heritage than they are their english.

[wrldominashan]

Unity is strength... the UK is already small, Scotland will only be a tiny, insignificant nation of only 5 million people without the rest of Britain

[globaltraveller]

Would rather Scotland were a tiny insignificant nation with the wealth of Norway, that looked after its own folk than some former colonial vestige on its last legs hankering after "world dominashun", thanks.

[ScotlandTheBrave88]

well said mate!

[sgealp]

i second that!

[freescotlandnow]

Unity is Strength eh? Isn't that what Hitler and Rome claimed? Imperialism's day is dead. Freedom and democracy for all countries is the way forward.

[proudofmycountry1989]

Scotland belongs to Westminster and always will. IF you think we will let you rip our country in half you have another thing comming.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.

[alba4232]

Go and grow up Ba heid!Scotland will Free itself from fools like you!Because you certainly represent all the union stands for!Ignorance arrogance incompetence and failure etc etc etc!  Saor Alba

[scotsfreedomfighter]

I'm for Independence,of course I am but I do hate it when people use Mel bloody Gibson as William Wallace and use scenes from Braveheart-aye it's a good film but saying the pope is a muslim is more accurate than Bravehearts plot.

[freescotlandnow]

It's actually unionists who usually hate Braveheart. Yes there are historical inaccuracies but so what, the important point is that Gibson's tale got the story of Wallace out to a much wider audience. The Brits detest it because they don't like their sins to be revealed! Yes Wallace did fight for independence and yes he was brutally tortured and murdered by the British state.

[simplynutter08]

errm

the sins of the brits?

i'm sorry, but when was william wallace around? the turn of the 13th century, 700 years ago. do you really think that the english have the same attitude and can be held responsible for it, let alone try and cover it up

what's really stupid is that migration to and fro between our countries means we share the same ancestors basically anyway. hell, i'm probably equal parts scottish, english, welsh, irish, french.

so, in reality, does wallace really matter?

[freescotlandnow]

He matters historically because without Bruce and Wallace we would have been treated as a 'non-country'. Britain tried to do that to Wales and have managed it (so far) to Cornwall. Our history counts, we are not 'North Britain' and that's thanks to our ancestors who refused to accept English rule.

[simplynutter08]

but should you really accuse my ancestors of 'sinning' when we probably share heritage on both sides equally

[freescotlandnow]

I'm not accusing 'your ancestors' of anything, I'm saying that in the modern era Scotland, Wales, Ireland, England and Cornwall would all be better off as independent countries.

[simplynutter08]

i think you did.

"The Brits detest (Braveheart) because they don't like their sins to be revealed!"

my sins?

oh dear

[freescotlandnow]

So why do you detest Braveheart then? The film reflects the realities of the time which was that England was trying to conquer Scotland. Today many people refuse to accept that Scotland has a valid right to independence so they are taking a similarly blinkered attitude, however this isn't the middle ages so it's not quite the same, obviously. However the cause of Scottish independence still remains important in Scotland and after all that was what motivated Wallace and Bruce. History counts.

[simplynutter08]

ahaaa, did i say i hated braveheart?

no, no.

i think it is a great film, but do ppl necessarily HAVE to make it about england vs scotland?

what is annoying is when scots rekindle their hate after watching it as if it was yesterday

tbh, personally i don't mind if scotland completely breaks off from england; whatever makes the majority of scots happy.

[freescotlandnow]

That is what it is about because that is what was going on at the time, I certainly didn't walk out of the cinema nursing a great grievance against England but I did feel proud of Wallace for supporting our rights to independence.

[atthesink]

Funny how in all these videos all it sayes is Scotland will fall England will be fine nevermind the oil,windfarms,gas and so on England would need to get eles were and the fact that now thanks to the SNP were now talking about it Scottish independance is near and no one will tell me that they have more rights over my counrty than me and thanks to the SNP we have a party not controled from England

[strengthnfaith]

I hope we havnae been so brain washed that we actually think that we wouldnae benefit from leaving the union... England dont want us to (oor Oil and gas) to leave the union thats why they are putting up a fight and try to make us believe its the other way aboot

[EquusFerrarius]

Anglo Sxaons don't exist anymore, The English are 80% pre-Celtic Britons.

[mnby5rh2]

I think Scots Nats should travel a bit more around Britain to try and get a bit more open minded. My whole family is from Scotland and I grew up in England and I can tell you there is literary NO DIFFERENCE between the two that warrants their splitting up into two separate nations. I care for the whole island of Britain equally and look forward to the day when a fully united Britain is the No. 1 player in the worlds No. 1 organisation (the EU).

[freescotlandnow]

Britain is already a 'player' in the UN and EU but worldwide people can't tell the difference between England and Britain and Scotland has no distinctive international voice at all. Scotland is a different country to England with very different political priorities. With independence we can cancel the pointless Trident nuclear deterrent but most importantly we Scots can have a direct voice in the EU and UN.

[frbjoern]

@freescotlandnow Will it ever happen? You have been at their Heel for hundreds of years. Do they and will they respect you as an independent Scottish Nation?

[MrScottishJamie]

@frbjoern In time it will be independent then scots will have their say for scotland

[scottishchap2008]

until scotland is in charge of its military and is able to make its own decisions i call the UK foreign rule, not as blatant as they were with ireland in the old days but still the same and the newspapers dont help with the Sun and the Daily Record attacking the SNP every chance they get, not much of a democracy if Labour and the Tories both have the same foreign policy of invading whoever America tells them too.

[oleary67xxxxx]

Such Unionist trash still trying every trich and lies to keep Scotland in this Union.The Scottish Upper Classes sold Scotland down the line in 1707 and these Unionists cannot understand this.Working class slaves to the Upper classes.

[freescotlandnow]

The freedoms fought for in the second world war are not threatened by Scottish independence and it is a gross insult to suggest otherwise. The troops fight for the Government of the day but that does not mean they are automatically against the rights of Scots to rule ourselves. Don't believe your biased UK media, independence is coming, believe it.

[ProUnionist]

Ok - so let's end up like Iceland - away and boil yer heed ya dafty!!!

Scotland, Wales, England and Ireland side by side as we did in the trenches 90 years ago, all faiths and all cultures fought and died to preserve the freedoms we all enjoy today, shame on all those Nationalists who attempt to dilute our British way of life.

God Bless all HM Forces by past and present

[cymrogwych]

Iceland did not collapse because it was Independent it collapsed because it was ruled by a bunch of naive polaticians. Look at other small countries in europe and the world which have flurished during the economic downturn. Countries such as estonia and latvia.

Welsh & Scottish Independence NOW.

[fearnpol]

together ..mmh think you should read some history usually the english did not go into the worst battles until after the other three countries soldiers were used first. And lets not forget Churchills crime of Saint Valery.

In your view we should carry on until the english have completely wiped out the highlands, why does Scotland benefit form complete population change and all villages and towns turning into english enclaves?

[EquusFerrarius]

Are you claiming there are to many English people in Scotland? If that is true independence won't change it, unless you have no intention of becoming part of the EU.

[freescotlandnow]

Rubbish! A lot of English people who come to Scotland support independence and everyone who lives here will have full rights to Scots citizenship after independence.

[EquusFerrarius]

I was refering to the fact that fearnpol is saying the English are displacing the Scottish population, and this seems to be his argument for independence. My point was essentially the same as yours, that even after independence English people will still live in Scotland, so fearnpol is talking crap.

[freescotlandnow]

Indeed he is, you're right!

[globaltraveller]

You are kidding right?

England has 80% of MPs in the Sovereign Parliament. An overwhelming majority of English MPs voted for devolution and the Scottish Parliament. A majority of English MPs vote on the budget of Scotland. A majority of members of the British Cabinet are English MPs

And Labour have won a majority of English seats in the House of Commons in 1997, 2001 and 2005. Until otherwise, Labour are the largest party (in terms of seats) in England.

It doesn't sounds oppressed to me.

[BRAINSMASHERMAN]

Every country should stand on its own two feet. Its wrong to be ruled by another nation unless you are powerless to stop it. It makes no sense to allow a foreign power to control your land. That's why Ireland and Scotland need to be free from English rule.

[simplynutter08]

you shouldnt use those comments from my fellow countrymen as the views of the whole english nation. I would not like to see Scotland go, however, as you say it is your choice. You have to realise that many Scottish people also leave stupid, untrue or just damnright insulting comments too. However, i realise that Scottish people are not twats or w/e just a small minority. Respect.

[freescotlandnow]

I'm not saying most English people make such comments, but I am saying many British unionst apologists do and constantly. England can vote for independence as well and they should.

[simplynutter08]

i wonder why you bother to make a video broadcasting these comments. the only people who would take them seriously are those who have no real understanding of anything in today's world.

maybe you should make a video outlining and justifying reasons why scotland should be independant, rather than wasting your time on moronic comments

[freescotlandnow]

The point is to highlight the lies and idiocy of many unionists arguments. The case for independence is very simple and logical. Independence is normality.

[joemanicman1]

why would you want indipendance you basically have it anyway you have a parliment different laws and national pride but you still insist that you need more if you really want to be indipendant stop taking money from whitehall and sperate the greatest country in the world the U.K

[freescotlandnow]

Firstly, the UK isn't a country it's a multi national state. Secondly Scotland needs the powers over defence and foreign policy that Britain currently denies us. A pocket money parliament (20 years after we originally voted for it!) is not sufficient for us.

[TheSpiaire]

As soon as Scotland is given fiscal autonomy then they will be no more arguments on who is subsiding who.

[Wilsey1000]

I have enjoyed holidays in Scotland, and it's as nice place, but then again I have enjoyed holidays in France, and to be honest if the Scottish feel such a distain and dislike for Engish people, then I will simply catch the train to the proper mountains such as the French Pyrennes and Alps rather than to the Scottish Highlands.

[Wilsey1000]

It seems to me that the basis of post like this is that Scottish Independence will somehow hurt the English.

The Scottish can leave the Union, but why all these posts about England. England will survive perfectly well and prosper either in or out of the union.

If Scotland leaves the Union then England will simply build closer links with it's European Neighbours, indeed it will soon be less than 2 hurs by train from London to Paris

and less than 1 and a half hours to Brussels.

[ParasiticScotland]

I can't wait for Independence, and the day we English stop have to stop looking after PARASITIC scotland & the even more PARASITIC wales who are both currently a drain on England. Furthermore I want to see your pathetic economies flounder in the current economic crisis when you're all on your own.

Freedom for England from PARASITES!

[Georgebushbent]

look at my comment about scotland i sent to lewaz, scotland will get more money from this whereas england will have to cut budgets, imagine you'l be even stupider with less education. hmmm.. could you go into negative inteligence though, is it possible. Well have fun playing with yourself, maybe wales and n.ireland and scotland should form up, we would treat each other equaly unlike you damn english

[freescotlandnow]

That's idiotic enough to appear in the video!

[anglesaxonjute]

There is one blatant lie at the end of the video - you say "Scots are going... get used to it". This is untrue, you know as well as i do that the main nationalist party in Scotland the SNP has just 20% of the vote. It is a minority government. A minority vote that could be wiped out if Labour became real Social-Democrats again and not ultra-conservatives. There's a referendum coming soon for Scottish independence, last time Scotland said yes to the Union, i'm sure you will stay in the union now.

[anglesaxonjute]

You also say in one of your earlier comments "Braveheart reflects the realities of the time which was that England was trying to conquer Scotland".

It was historical bollocks. The Battle of Stirling, was the Battle of Stirling Bridge (the Bridge was the English downfall). And it insulted you Scots by depicting you as a bunch of red headed barbarians. Scots also had heavy cavalry, not just the English. Also, all that rubbish about Wallace being the father of Edward III. It's historically trash.

[PtbaScot]

Braveheart was a mixture of fact and Hollywood fiction. Scotland,led by Wallace and Moray wasin a life and death Struggle with Edward's England. The movie failed to mention the complete annihiation of the Scottish city of Berwick and the atrocities carried out by Edwards army in a mediaeval version of 'shock and awe', barbarous to the extreme. Wallace never met the future queen of England, and Scotlands victory at Stirling Bridge was a tactical masterpiece.

[PtbaScot]

What the movie depicted accurately was the passion of the Scots to keep their identity. What I find hard to stomach thoufgh is the English obsession with the historical accuracy if the movie. Shakespeares 'Macbeth' is based on a real king of Scotland. It also destroys the character of a good King. Has that stopped people enjoying the play, or has it brought howls of anger from historians or a disgruntled public? No, simply because it isn't looked on as 'dangerous' to the Union.

[peppermintjohn666]

Does not make sense, the only stupid bigoted arguments up there are separatist ones.

[AmericanDNA]

Fantastic!

[canturburian]

This video operates on the level of insult rather than debate. Often T.V. programmes, especially those for kids, have this up beat musical accompaniment in the background. This is because they are directed at people who sadly these days, have short attention span, and don't want to think about things. To talk of independence from England is innacurate, as unfortunately the whole U.K. has lost its independence to the E.U. The SNP are acting as 5th column for The E.U. in Britain.

[freescotlandnow]

Tripe! The UK is already independent and could leave the EU if it so wished, Scotland wants the equal membership in the EU that the UK currently enjoys.

[freescotlandnow]

Not quite. Some said that (with racial slurs attached!) but some commenters were lying about the feelings at the time of union, pretending that Scotland is incapable of independence and imagining that England has a veto. All of which is wrong. Altogether no great arguments for the status quo! Independence would benefit both countries but I detect a colonialist attitude from many posters on this site.

[Lewaz]

I love how this video says at the end 'get used to it we're leaving' - when all the comments are asking scotland to leave. Scotland leaving Britain will benefit English people alot more than Scots- I cant wait!

[Georgebushbent]

dont think so, scotland has the highest exam pass rate in britain, some of the best scientists, the only british oil field, the majority of dairy farms, hughe amount of veg. and scotlands territory only recieves a percentage of its profit because england claim there land needs the money more,youre country is going to have massive budget cuts when we leave, i know because im smarter than you, so go screw yourself. plus this will encourage n.ireland and wales to leave,maybe we'l form a new country

[freescotlandnow]

Totally agree, why give the divide 'n' rulers a stick to beat us with? It's a decision for our people, AFTER we are independent.

[bramclark]

I've been wondering, is there a version of the SNP which has all the beliefs of the regular SNP but without the support of the Monarchy?

I have to admit that Salmond lost me a bit there. I think "mostly free" is like being a "little" pregnent...

[bcnsco]

many supporters and members of the snp are republicans. Roseanna Cunghima MSP is for a start. The thing about the monarchy pragmatism is to stop unionist balloons in the west of Scotland (plus the older generation) having a field day against the snp and indpendence.

its just pragmatism - once independence is here a republic wont be long off.

[glasgow1234]

The Union of the Crowns and the Union with England are two seperate things...

If we break up the Union with England, Scotland will still have Queen Elizabeth as Queen, the same as it is in Canada,Australia and other places...

The Union of the crowns afterall was made by the Scottish King James who inherited the throne of England.. The Queens family history is steeped in Scottish ancestry,,,

The Queens mother herself was Scottish.

[bramclark]

Why be like Canada and Australia? I'm not arguing Scottish descent at all, I just see an independent Scotland as having a choice as to it's identity for the first time since Rome. Why chain yourself to a system like that at all? Why settle for anything other than complete sovereignty?

Scotland has a chance to become the greatest nation on this planet in a matter of YEARS. You could lead the world in every capacity. Small enough to make everything work right, and large enough to make it happen.

[thistlewarrior]

It's a choice all Scots will have to make come independence.

We've always been slightly more Republican in this country, dating back to the Declaration of Arbroath. It states that the people of Scotland, not the monarch, are sovereign. That's why we had Kings of Scots and not Kings of Scotland and when that monarch no longer serves the interests of the people we should remove them.

Personally I'd go the whole way and declare a Republic. However I won't get upset if the monarchy is retained.

[bramclark]

So it's just a "in name only" kind of thing?

[thistlewarrior]

Kind of.

The waters have been muddied over the years as to the relevance or authority of the Monarch. Post English civil war it has been deemed that parliament (Westminster) is sovereign. However I would argue that the Declaration of Arbroath comes under Scots Law, as the first part of a written constitution (which does not exist in Westminster) and as Scots law still stands, so does the declaration. Therefor the Scots have the right to decide who should be head of state.