they knew it was going to come down because it had been burning for seven hours, and they did not have the resources to do anything about it because they were trying to rescue people elsewhere.
so you're quite happy to believe that firefighters can accurately predict, to within a few minutes, when a steel-framed building that's on fire will collapse? what kind of chaos theory physicist would you have to be to be able to predict with that kind of accuracy?
@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they was part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they was part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they was part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they was part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they was part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they were part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they were part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
@ThePassiveFist (con't) It makes far more sense that a firefighter would be able to predict what may happen based on experience than that he was an evil secret agent. Moreover, no evidence indicating a controlled demo (which leaves many) was found, not to mention that demos "go boom" & this doesn't. No one has brought forth any evidence linking the destruction of the towers to anyone either in our actual government or secret reptilian government.
explosions were heard by dozens, or hundreds of eyewitnesses, and caught on tape - you just haven't looked, or dismissed them because they don't fit in with your preconcieved ideas of what happened.
Same goes for the evidence for controlled demolition. there's evidence, you're just choosing to dismiss it.
NIST would not find something they did not look for.
You've obviously not bothered to research any of your claims, so this conversation is at an end until you do.
@ThePassiveFist No, no, no, you misunderstand me. Of course there are all kinds of loud sounds happening all around for various reasons, but when you demo a large building there is a very specific, loud "boom" that you always here when explosives go off, which I have yet to see in any video. I have no preconceived belief about how any event happens, I rely on evidence & amend view as needed. If you have evidence of controlled demo, please present it.
@ThePassiveFist (con't). Even if you prove that it was a controlled demolition, you still have to prove that the explosion was carried out by whoever you think did it- and there are many claims, ranging from secret alien overlords to the Bush Adminstration. Do you have any such evidence, ie paperwork/recording that links a specific person to this crime?
@ThePassiveFist So do you affirm that you think that the firefighters on the ground were in on the plot to kill all these people? Do you also believe that all the phone calls from the people on flight 93 were faked, & all their relatives are in on in? Do you think all the evidence linking the hijackers to the crime, including video is fake? That the previous plot by the same group, & their subsequent admissions, are red herrings? & no one got caught? Seems rather improbable...
you throw up so many strawman arguments it's difficult to know where to start - which is entirely what you're aiming for.
let's get one thing straight: I don't think the firefighters were in on it - they were heroes. i think it likely that the people you see on this vid were either told by someone in command that it weas coming down, or they werren't firefighters at all - rather a demolitions crew that WERE in on it.
I have my suspicions about the phonecalls. I've had my cellphone on during flights, and as soon as you reach any appreciable speed and height, the coverage just goes. i also become highly suspicious when one of the phonecalls went like this: “Mom? This is Mark Bingham.” ... “You believe me, don’t you?"
who identifies themselves to their own mom by their full name?
your claim that someone would say their relatives were in on it is a strawman.
the FBI themselves said that they had NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE linking Osama Bin laden to the attacks.
and videos are easy to fake. think about it - you can go to the movies for 2 hours and walk out not being able to tell what parts were real and what was CGI.
and just because something is improbable, does not make it impossible.
How can you not know they are talking about demolition here? How can you not know Larry Silverstein was talking about demolition in his PBS interview? How can you not know?
"Keep an eye on that building. It'll be comin' down soon."
"Maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull it...and they made the decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
"Move it back. The building is about to blow up. Move it back. The building is about to blow up."
@thisisfunny. Do u realize what u just said? U claim the FDNY is asking for a full investigation (they aren't , 1 guy from the FDNY is) while on the video a guy from the 1st responders with firemen all over the place says the bldg is coming down. Does that make sense? The FDNY Evacuated the area cuz they knew it was coming down due to on the spot observations. They would have to be complicit if it were a demo. Btw retired FDNY here!
1st off it didn't fall at free fall speed. The fact that truthers keep saying that is proof they are the liars. From the time the east penthouse disappears into the into the bldg to the time the bldg completely collapsed was about 15 seconds. Indistbutable. All u need to do is time it for urself
The FDNY are one of MANY groups asking for a full and INDEPENDENT investigation into this scam. Also, notice how they repeatedly say it's going to "blow up"..not "fall from fire."
NIST reported that the building collapsed do to scattered office fires that destroyed 1 beam and cause the whole building to collapse. now that is a bunch of bull shit, the only way that building could fall like that at free fall speed is only with controlled demolition. open your eyes people. wtc 7 is the biggest wake up call about 9/11
There were pools of molten steel in the rubble of the towers... Plane fuel can NOT melt molten steel like that. The towers were brought down to start a "War of Terror" to boost the economy. The more people that go overseas means there are more job openings here. The whole thing is common sense people. Our country is more corrupt than I even want to think about.
Firemen who were injured from the blast in the lobby of building 7 stated clearly that there were explosions and secondary explosions going on in building 7 before a plane ever hit.
@WakingUpTheMasses I see that you've offered and opinion concerning Building 7, so I've got a very specific question for you regarding same. I think it is an important question as the answer has rather significant ramifications. Here it is. Why do you think that the Fire Department gave a final order to abandon the WTC7 building and surrounding area at 2:30 P.M.? (The building collapsed at 5:20:52 P.M.) Thank you.
Building 7 was taken down to destroy secret documents. The United States government doesn't have the technology known as paper shredders. I was talking to a truther the other day and he couldn't believe that 4-5 militarily trained men could overpower two pilots but he could believe that public buildings were wired with explosives with no one noticing. I mean, really, WTF.
Since secondary explosions are utterly denied in the official; report all those eyewitnesses were somehow involved in a huge conspiracy to lie about them it seems. t
there is no report that denies secondary explosions -- why do you lie?
did you expect a large plane to strike a building and there NOT be secondary explosions? there were seconary explosions when the B-25 struck the Empire State Building. good lord are truthers liars or just stupid?
Anyone who believes the official NIST report of ONE column ( #78 I believe) to be the main cause of the symmetrical near free fall collapse of building 7 is the conspiracy nut. WAKE UP ! Critical thinking is lost for these Flag Suckers.
@joecanukk I see that you've offered and opinion concerning Building 7, so I've got a very specific question for you regarding same. I think it is an important question as the answer has rather significant ramifications. Here it is. Why do you think that the Fire Department gave a final order to abandon the WTC7 building and surrounding area at 2:30 P.M.? (The building collapsed at 5:20:52 P.M.) Thank you.
This is supposed to be evidence of a demolition of WTC 7? OMG, how stupid. If those guys are firefighters, then if they're being literal about the building blowing up, that means they were part of the inside job. They lost a bunch of their own guys that day but they're part of the plot?
@bagintree thermite was found, wich can be used as an explosive. and the building fell at free fall speed, despite not being hit with a plane, that means there was no resistance.
@bagintree NO, put asside your logical falacy, they witness building being demolitioned whilst loosing crews @ WTC its the statement of the building comming down which points to the inside job aspect as WTC7 was the 'command hub' for the operation, a reinforced building designed against terrorist and indirect nuclear attacks just happens to pancake due to small office fires on two floors and a piece of debris? Barry Jennings Stated otherwise and mysteriously dies...
@bagintree Three dancing Israeli MOSSAD Agents were released by the FBI and then they returned to Israel and admitted on Israeli TV they ''were in New York to record the event'', so MOSSAD has admitted their complicity in 911. Guilty Israelis are commenting on YouTube pretending to be innocent Americans because Israel is terrified of losing the US$ 3 Billion that US taxpayers give to Israel every year.
@deth2theNWO why don't you tell us who you think had the contract sor security for WTC, because I bet you are fucking wrong, ingorant, and using truther lies from 8 years ago that have long been proven false
Those same firefighters bought the story of the building falling due to fire anyways.
If they were told by their captain that the building was to fall down due to the fire (there was a bit of fire but nothing even close to serious, and the building obviously fell from thermite explosives later found in the wreckage and confirmed as such) then they'd believe it right away and repeat the message, trying to save people.
It's obvious that they bought the fire story already.
@SergeantPepper99 Thanks for proving twoofers can't reason their way out of a paper bag.
If the firefighters had advance knowledge of a demolition, that means they had inside information of a plot that killed 343 of their own. And that makes no sense at all.
I love watching truthers thrash around trying to explain how firefighters could have had inside information but not really have inside information. Hahahaha!
@bagintree no, you are an idiot for making assumptions. no one said the firemen were part of the plot. but they were informed that wtc 7 would come down
@bagintree NO MY FRIEND YOU ARE THE IDIOT UNLESS YOUR AN FBI AGENT OR EVEN A AUTOMATIC SPAM BOT. KEEP BELIEVING WHAT THE GOVERMENT SAYS BECAUSE THEY LOVE YOU AND CARE ABOUT YA.
@bagintree No, they are not part of the plot but you surely need to investigate a lot lot more about this. You are in the right place, there are many informative vids on youtube. Don't stick to just this one video.
@bagintree truthers are idiots?thats an idiot staement,i'm what you would call a "truther" yet i don't think fireman were involved nor am i sure with what hapened that day,i just don't believe the official story we were told,somethings been covered up..
@bagintree " If those guys are firefighters, then if they're being literal about the building blowing up, that means they were part of the inside job."
Think this. According to NY Chief of Fire Department (2001) Peter Ganci, he stated that WTC 7 was empty of sivillian untill noon and small group firemens were out about 3 hour before collapse. And videos dont lie, there r many clips including the sounds of exlposion and as well testimonies of it from firefighters, police and sivillians.
@bagintree It may be that they were just informed minutes before that it was coming down.. need to find out the chain leading up to who that word originated from. Could very well be that a number of the firefighters were involved. Some of them appeared to be acting a little squirly.. Like the fella that the chief was telling not to put water on the molten steel.
Yeah, you can't tell who they are or what building they're referring to or whether they speaking literally or not. It's silly to use this video as evidence of anything.
The firefighters said the building was unstable and likely to collapse. They formed a collapse zone around it. They didn't do that at any other building. They weren't part of any inside job. They simply saw that it was in very bad shape and would probably collapse.
Yeah, you can't tell who they are or what building they're referring to or whether they speaking literally or not. It's silly to use this video as evidence of anything.
The firefighters said the building was unstable and likely to collapse. They formed a collapse zone around it. They didn't do that at any other building. They weren't part of any inside job. They simply saw that it was in very bad shape and would probably collapse.
@tawom yh u said it rite. 1500 experienced and professional don't know what they are talkin about. They studied buildings and structure for yrs and they don't know what they are talkin about! Inside job!
@Blake, I think you misread my sarcasm. I don't and can't believe these building fell from a fire either. Being an engineer myself I've taken a long hard look at all 3 buildings coming down and from what ive learned even in my high school physics class this was improbable. Free fall speed in it's own footprint? Come on, think about it... Especially tower 7 with simple fires going! Why is it that NIST can't even give a reason for it imploding in it's own footprint?
@tawom Yes, the 1500 numbnuts who participated in AE911twoof are idiots who don't know what they're talking about. Since there are more than 3,000,000 architects and engineers in the US, alone, that means less than 1% of that profession is willing to sign on to that dumbassery.
And that's before we deal with all the fake names on that list. My favorite was "M.K. Mackey.'
By the way, how many peer-reviewed papers have those 1500 dickheads published?
8.21.08 NIST WTC Investigator: “Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oil fires played a role in the collapse of WTC 7.” Cover-up = conspiracy = con. 9/11 was an outside/inside job.
The end of the Cold War, huge national debts, a military industrial complex to maintain. How do you prop up the preexisting structure that literally trillions of dollars and our entire economy is key stoned with? We consume 25% of the world's oil and peak production has already been reached. We needed a "justifiable" reason to be in permanent military action in the Middle East. That's the fact of it. Larry Silverstein made $500 million in insurance, and the 911 Report omits BLGD 7 entirely.
@blackjerryboymetal the ONLY steel frame high rise buildings to have EVER collapsed due to fire are WTC 1, 2 and 7. That is a FACT! Steel is heat treated so that parts of building dont give way or collapse not because it would fall totally into it's own footprint perfects symmetrically. I have seen footage of steelframe building burning massivly worse than wtc and for days not 1.5 hrs lol youtube.com/watch?v=9E4kCS-LsFI THATS A STEEL FRAM BUILDING FIRE!!!!!!
@galaxything have you ever seen a fucking plane hit a building? oh yeah the fire is much worse then a fucking 200k ton airplane at hundreds of miles per hour full of jet fuel
If those guys really are NY firefighters and if they're really talking about WTC 7 and they really had advance knowledge of a demolition of it, then that means they're part of the inside job. Sure bet. On a day they lost 343 of their own, the firefighters are part of the cover-up? Buuuuuulllshit.
Yeah, you can't tell who they are or what building they're referring to or whether they speaking literally or not. It's silly to use this video as evidence of anything.
The firefighters said the building was unstable and likely to collapse. They formed a collapse zone around it. They didn't do that at any other building. They weren't part of any inside job. They simply saw that it was in very bad shape and would probably collapse.
Yeah, you can't tell who they are or what building they're referring to or whether they speaking literally or not. It's silly to use this video as evidence of anything.
The firefighters said the building was unstable and likely to collapse. They formed a collapse zone around it. They didn't do that at any other building. They weren't part of any inside job. They simply saw that it was in very bad shape and would probably collapse.
@PoetryHound Look up "World Exclusive: WTC7 Survivor Barry Jennings Account." on YouTube. Barry was the Emergency Coordinator in building 7. He was actually in the building and described what happened.
@blackjerryboymetal They fireproof them anyway to keep fire from spreading. Rather you realize it or not, fire leaves a bit of a mess that most people probably would rather keep in a small area as opposed to letting half the building burn. And no, steel buildings don't collapse from fire.
Its part of a bigger plan. The terrorists hate us because of our freedoms. So since 9/11 we have been loosing them and the justification is 9/11 the oil opium blah blah blah is just a bonus. So who are the real terrorists? Its been tried before that is the attempt to set up a fascist dictatorship in this country and what better way to do it than bleeding the people of their wealth and liberty while poisoning their minds and bodies so when the hammer does fall there's not anyone to resist
I know truthers have been having a hard time getting decent turn-outs at their rag-tag little rallies, so I have a suggestion for them. At their next rally, they should dress up like clowns, with clown suits, big floppy shoes, and little round red clown noses. This would be good for truthers because first of all, people would pay more attention to them, and second, their costumes would accurately reflect the comical stupidity of their paranoid, cultish beliefs. It's a win-win solution!
I would like to point something out to everyone involved, and please thumbs up if you agree: Every time we try to have a discussion about HOW or WHY our government could be responsible for 9/11, the conspirators jump the tracks and start talking about oil, heroine, lithium, gold, or shadow ops blah blah blah. Stay on subject or shut your ignorant fucking mouths. I didn't ask you about oil. I asked you to show me facts that connect someone BESIDES the 19 Saudi terrorists to these attacks.
The Terrorists that boarded the plane (verified with the plane itenerary) along with their victims were incinerated on impact with the tower. No bodies to recover I'm afraid. The black box was buried/destroyed underneath and within untold ammounts of rubble. Footage of the pentagon was released, but it was an external security camera and they are not known for quality. And I call bullshit on Anthrax being traced to the U.S. via DNA testing. Feel free to reference your source.
If you want to join the big boys in conversation I suggest you point out EXACTLY which point of that answer you did not like. Generalizing the entire statement as false is a little hypocritical when you want me to believe the other horse shit theories with no hard facts. Yes I know jet fuel won't "melt" steel, but is sure as fuck reaches its annealing point. Oh that must be a big word for a fifth grader. Why don't you google that? Mkay pumpking =)
@aarondhp20 a building with 28 columns cannot collapse due to one column failing - yet NIST says this is how building 7 collapsed. What a fucking dumb theory yet you believe that nonsense.
Lol so maybe their THEORY was incorrect. Do you understand theory means educated guess? There's no way for them to know exactly which card in the house of cards failed first. And I would guess just by looking at the initial impact that more than one column was sheered in half. But that would be my theory.
@aarondhp20 YOU believe the official story, the government's line is it fell due to office fires and a 1 column collapse... 1 column would NEVER bring down an entire building at free fall speed..EVER...all columns have to be sheered for a symmetric collapse... nutjobs...
I believe the official story because everything that they analyzed came from video footage and analyzing the wreckage. The Govt. could have been wrong as to HOW the towers came down, but that doesn't mean they're responsible.
There is no "line" it was a best guess. It's called forensic science and it's not perfect.
The reason most of America considers people like you paranoid conspiracy theorists is you try to equate error with responsibility. You have no facts. Just accusations
Should I even explain to you? Sure why not. The plane destroyed more than just 1 column. The "uneven heating" of the steel columns caused buckling which forced other columns away from the center of the tower, dropping sections of floor onto the next floor with trumendous force in excess of 15,000 tons beyond their load weight. And the tower didnt tip because it takes more time for larger objects to achieve lateral velocity. You want me to explain in more detail?
@aarondhp20 we're talking about building 7, it wasn't hit by any plane. btw the pancake theory would mean the building would fall at a much much slower rate, so that's out the window.
Hahahaha!! The plane destroyed more than just 1 column. Of course! The problem is the UNDAMAGED section of the tower failed at the exact same time as the damaged portion. Don't use that nonsense to back up your theory. What caused the undamaged section to literally SNAP?
@7Epitaph When one floor, weighing 15,000 tons fell, It would require that ALL of the joist supports failed simoultaneously. The towers modular design enabled the weight to be distributed from a failed column to the others. Once several more failed due to heat and warping (not melting), the joist supports failed for the entire floor, which dropped the intact floor onto the one below it with trumendous kinetic force. The supports simply sheered off from the weight after that.
@7Epitaph The tower was a modular design. One section would probably not have fallen because the tower was designed to distribute the weight should one or two columns fail. So the theory shown to me was this: uneven heating caused several more columns to faila s well placing the entire weight of one floor onto about 75-85% of the columns which caused them to sheer off and drop the entire floor onto the one below it. Doubling the weight definitely repeated this process to the ground.
Yeah because if you were part of the biggest cover up of all time you'd happily admit to being complicit whilst on camera bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahaha you honestly will never know how retarded you really are.
@blackjerryboymetal BJ-Boy, Kader Toy factory was NOT a high-rise. It barely fits the technical definition of a mid-rise which is at least 4 stories.
It was so poorly built that it wasn't even up to Thailand's poor building codes.
Go to Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, click on "Evidence" then under documents click on "Technical Articles" or go the videos. There is a plethora of evidence that the "official government story" is IMPOSSIBLE!
@blackjerryboymetal You don't have any credibility. I asked you one thing "name one high-rise that collapsed due to fire before three did on 911" and you respond like a glue sniffing idiot.
You are not worthy of a response because dialog is not possible with a minimum wage glue sniffing idiot like yourself.
@blackjerryboymetal BJ-Boy, Kader Toy factory is NOT an example of a high rise collapse. You give me an example of a third world poorly built structure in Thailand with no drywall, no sprinklers, no thermal fire protection, no absorptive fire protection, and stud web stiffeners made of aluminum!
The floors were made of 28 gage steel which was not even up to Thailand's minimum standards.
Again NO high-rise in history had ever collapsed due to fire until three did on September 11. Run along.
@blackjerryboymetal Maybe you should compare the right kind of buildings and get your facts straight? A building not even made for surviving fire with wtc7... nice try... "There were no fire extinguishers, no alarms, no sprinkler system. The buildings themselves were death traps, constructed from un-insulated steel girders that buckled and gave way in less than 15 minutes."
The collapse of building 7 is most obviously a controlled demolition. Those "debunkers" and "911 truth deniers" look completely ridiculous trying to convince us of an official government story that is impossible.
@blackjerryboymetal Name one high-rise that has collapsed due to fire before 911. Also why the rude comments to fellow posters? It hurts your credibility.
If it was a controlled demolition, there would have been a series of extremely loud explosions immediately prior to the collapse. They would have been clearly recorded on all cameras present. Building 7 had no sounds of explosions.
@TimothyRaymond1 Tim what is your background? Are you an expert on exotic explosives? Are you aware that there are more advanced explosives than dynamite to blow up a building?
@getbo I'm not an expert on explosives, but I do know that they all make a lot of noise when they are detonated. Building 7 had absolutely no sounds of explosions at all.
@gullungen84 If thermite was used, there would have been a lot of clean cut support columns found in the debris. Also several tons of thermite would have had to been used to demolish tower 7, and it would have to be placed directly on the support columns. To do that they would have had to tear out large sections of drywall to get to the columns. It is impossible for them to do all that without anyone noticing.
@TimothyRaymond1 Ok Tim. But you make two errant assumptions, maybe because you haven't studied the evidence. First - You say "no explosions". Really? Go to Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, click on 'EVIDENCE' on the right column you will find explosions video and other media for building 7. Over 118 first responders are on record detailing explosions they had heard. (See the PDF)
@TimothyRaymond1 Also Tim, Barry Jennings and city official Michael Hess were in building 7 when massive explosions destroyed the first floor lobby - on record actually experiencing explosions in building 7.
Your second errant assumption is that "all explosives make a lot of noise". Dynamite used to blow up Vegas hotels is obviously loud. Nano-Thermite can be manufactured to release energy that produces explosions with minimal noise. All samples from the site show evidence of Thermite.
@blackjerryboymetal Trusses are fire proofed because of code. extreme fire could deform a truss... but not enough to cause an entire building to fall like a house of cards. think of a fire inside a turbocharger of a car and inside the combustion chamber.. diesel fuel and kerosene is same as jet fuel. it burns hot not hot enough to melt steel to the point of failure. realistically, i cant see the buildings came down from fire caused by jet fuel and burning paper and office furniture.
@7digitalSunday Good points 7digitalSunday. Are you aware that the government has admitted that they have a debunk campaign to counter "conspiracy theories" and specifically "911 Truthers" on the web? Many of the 911 deniers posting could be near minimum wage government employees.
Osama (Usama) Bin Laden's Death was also an "Inside Job" the wool was pulled over the American people's eyes AGAIN! AND the sheeple believed it. maybe osama usama was dead for a long time or maybe he still isnt dead. but i bet the body the buried at sea wasnt fresh kill. AhAhAh,
@JasonVladimir Yeah. Textbook. Except for the lack of visible and audible detonation of blasting charges just before the collapse initiates. Textbook except for the lack of ANY explosive remnants left over in the debris field. Textbook except for the massive amount of coordination that takes place before ALL real demo jobs of this size. Yeah, textbook.
9/11 is a cover up of a crime committed by powerful people on this planet. It shouldn't surprise anyone. I don't know why 10 years later people are still having a hard time figuring that out. The power "elite" don't give a fuck about you. Get off your arrogant high horses and deal with that truth.
@gunhugger16 you didn't watch 'loose change: an american coup?'
you haven't seen Architects and Engineers for 9-11 truth?
barry jennings murdered... an otherwise heathy man who died unexpectedly.
hard to produce evidence when it is removed (steel - tons of it) from a crime scene that is surrounded by the FBI....
you see what you want to see... so keep believing there's no evidence and no science to support a government conspiracy. keep believing your gov't cares about you.
@gunhugger16 kerosene doesn't melt steel, nor does it weaken it. most of the kerosene burned off in the initial explosions, the rest gone in 10-15 mins. what was left to burn hot enough to make the steel fail? office fires that with vid evidence shows were not burning out of control, what created the socalled heat to make the steel fail? it was done for global purposes, the american gov stood down on 9/11 and allowed it to happen, many reasons why, just look into it, answers are there.
@gunhugger16 First of all, what happened to the gold, look that one up. What happened to insider trading evidence and other wall street crime evidence in building 7, look at that. Patriot act, look at that, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, look at that..read the book PNAC, it is carefully detailed why and how they parlayde 9/11 into deceiving Americans into accepting these invasions. Heroin in Iraq controlled by CIA, look into that. Trillions worth of Lithium in Afghanistan, look at that, much more
@gunhugger16 Watch this, your dumbed down media even admits it......v=tz4dnSZKFUI.....correction to my last post...should have read...heroin from Afghanistan.
I believe in truths I can see and understand. After the Iraq papers were leaked everyone thought it would contain some information that would shed light on 9/11 and what really happened. But they didn't did they?
You can be content in believing the great big shadow government is out to get you but call it what it is, a belief.
Let me tell you a truth: You have no idea, evidence, or factual basis to explain how or WHY our government would ever do something so terrible.
nice try but its not exactly freefall speed, you should look more into the way it actually happened and how the buildings were poorly made for fire emergencies.
@thisphotoisproof I have, and there's nothing to suggest fire could bring them down. The skyscaper that was set on fire in Milan was badly made, burned for longer than building 7, and didn't even collapse. Bottom line: office fires do not and cannot melt steel - but evidence has been found the steel was melted. Question is: if it wasn't fire.. what the hell was it?
steel only has to weaken to 45% in order to lose its support. All the steel was weakened enough to cause bowing in the floors. Also when WTC 1 and 2 fell both the buildings ended up falling on to building 7, basically gutting out the middle of 7 and leaving a gaping fire hole at the bottom that was never really captured on TV, so from TV the building looks fine... but the fire department new it was coming down and ordered the team to " pull" a fire dept term for get out of area
people say "pull" was for to pull the trigger, but thats false anyone that worked for the fire dept could tell you it means that the building is too damaged and dangerious to try to save it, so they "pull out" of the are and let the building come down.
@thisphotoisproof There is a picture somewhere of the gap from the front, which would make one assume the building would fall toward that side rather than in its own footprint within 8 seconds or at least crumble since the majority of the building was in tact. For it to collapse like it did you'd need a symmetric fail within all columns at the exact same time other wise the fall would be uneven. NIST say just office fires caused it with just one column failing, i don't believe that for a second.
the front of the building collapsed first.. then seconds later the rest free fell after the building had just lost nearly all support. If you watch a video of it collapsing you can notice the front going first around 2-3 seconds before the rest of the building. Im not trying to side with the official story, I just know that as much as it doesnt make sense..it really does make sense.. its all explainable by simple engineering and science. its More proof of fail than conspiracy.
@thisphotoisproof That's not how NIST ( the people who investigated it ) explained the collapse. So it's just your theory for now. I don't understand your logic in having part of the crumbled building bring everything else down at freefall speed ( yes it was free fall speed for the first 8 floors, highly suspicious ) - the fact more of the building that is standing in tact being pulled down at freefall by a lesser mass. If anything it would fall down in lumps - not an entire building.
they knew it was going to come down because it had been burning for seven hours, and they did not have the resources to do anything about it because they were trying to rescue people elsewhere.
HelFKiernan 3 weeks ago
@HelFKiernan
so you're quite happy to believe that firefighters can accurately predict, to within a few minutes, when a steel-framed building that's on fire will collapse? what kind of chaos theory physicist would you have to be to be able to predict with that kind of accuracy?
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@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they was part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
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@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they was part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
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@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they was part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
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@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they was part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
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@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they was part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
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@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they were part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
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@ThePassiveFist Yes, I think it's quite plausible that trained NYC firefighters who had been watching a building burn for seven hours had the experience and training to know that it was going to come down soon. Many observers repeatedly comment on what they see. Why would firefighters rush to the scene, many dying, to save ppl if they were part of a group that murdered them? If firemen on the scene were part of a vast conspiracy, wouldn't they have been aware of cameras?
HelFKiernan 4 days ago
@ThePassiveFist (con't) It makes far more sense that a firefighter would be able to predict what may happen based on experience than that he was an evil secret agent. Moreover, no evidence indicating a controlled demo (which leaves many) was found, not to mention that demos "go boom" & this doesn't. No one has brought forth any evidence linking the destruction of the towers to anyone either in our actual government or secret reptilian government.
HelFKiernan 4 days ago
@HelFKiernan
explosions were heard by dozens, or hundreds of eyewitnesses, and caught on tape - you just haven't looked, or dismissed them because they don't fit in with your preconcieved ideas of what happened.
Same goes for the evidence for controlled demolition. there's evidence, you're just choosing to dismiss it.
NIST would not find something they did not look for.
You've obviously not bothered to research any of your claims, so this conversation is at an end until you do.
ThePassiveFist 4 days ago
@ThePassiveFist No, no, no, you misunderstand me. Of course there are all kinds of loud sounds happening all around for various reasons, but when you demo a large building there is a very specific, loud "boom" that you always here when explosives go off, which I have yet to see in any video. I have no preconceived belief about how any event happens, I rely on evidence & amend view as needed. If you have evidence of controlled demo, please present it.
HelFKiernan 4 days ago
@ThePassiveFist (con't). Even if you prove that it was a controlled demolition, you still have to prove that the explosion was carried out by whoever you think did it- and there are many claims, ranging from secret alien overlords to the Bush Adminstration. Do you have any such evidence, ie paperwork/recording that links a specific person to this crime?
HelFKiernan 4 days ago
@ThePassiveFist So do you affirm that you think that the firefighters on the ground were in on the plot to kill all these people? Do you also believe that all the phone calls from the people on flight 93 were faked, & all their relatives are in on in? Do you think all the evidence linking the hijackers to the crime, including video is fake? That the previous plot by the same group, & their subsequent admissions, are red herrings? & no one got caught? Seems rather improbable...
HelFKiernan 4 days ago
@HelFKiernan
you throw up so many strawman arguments it's difficult to know where to start - which is entirely what you're aiming for.
let's get one thing straight: I don't think the firefighters were in on it - they were heroes. i think it likely that the people you see on this vid were either told by someone in command that it weas coming down, or they werren't firefighters at all - rather a demolitions crew that WERE in on it.
ThePassiveFist 3 days ago
@HelFKiernan
I have my suspicions about the phonecalls. I've had my cellphone on during flights, and as soon as you reach any appreciable speed and height, the coverage just goes. i also become highly suspicious when one of the phonecalls went like this: “Mom? This is Mark Bingham.” ... “You believe me, don’t you?"
who identifies themselves to their own mom by their full name?
your claim that someone would say their relatives were in on it is a strawman.
ThePassiveFist 3 days ago
@HelFKiernan
Evidence linking the hijackers to the crime?
the FBI themselves said that they had NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE linking Osama Bin laden to the attacks.
and videos are easy to fake. think about it - you can go to the movies for 2 hours and walk out not being able to tell what parts were real and what was CGI.
and just because something is improbable, does not make it impossible.
ThePassiveFist 3 days ago
WTC official opening Pluto rising in Saturn (birth). Sept. 11,2001 Saturn rising in Pluto (death).St.Louis, MO. gateway to ?????
1967cbd 1 month ago
at :39 says POLL: half of US blames Bush admin for 9/11
patreich29 1 month ago
How can you not know they are talking about demolition here? How can you not know Larry Silverstein was talking about demolition in his PBS interview? How can you not know?
"Keep an eye on that building. It'll be comin' down soon."
"Maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull it...and they made the decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
"Move it back. The building is about to blow up. Move it back. The building is about to blow up."
HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW?
JSSTyger 2 months ago
People killed in WTC: 3,000+
Wall Street fucktards in WTC: a fucking lot less
redreaper2020 2 months ago
Theres a bunch of other non trade center buildings all around.. yet.. only the wtc's were the ones to go down? hmmmm
smeganrocks87 2 months ago
Your mother did it and she had you. she should have had an abortion.
glmike523 2 months ago
Inside job. So many question that are still unanswered. Bush did it.
pakifighter 2 months ago
@pakifighter and you would be utterly WRONG.
GrigoriZhukov 2 months ago
@GrigoriZhukov You're right. Bush is too dumb to do that. It was the zionists ( the israelis )
pakifighter 2 months ago
@thisisfunny. Do u realize what u just said? U claim the FDNY is asking for a full investigation (they aren't , 1 guy from the FDNY is) while on the video a guy from the 1st responders with firemen all over the place says the bldg is coming down. Does that make sense? The FDNY Evacuated the area cuz they knew it was coming down due to on the spot observations. They would have to be complicit if it were a demo. Btw retired FDNY here!
Shamrock3939 3 months ago
1st off it didn't fall at free fall speed. The fact that truthers keep saying that is proof they are the liars. From the time the east penthouse disappears into the into the bldg to the time the bldg completely collapsed was about 15 seconds. Indistbutable. All u need to do is time it for urself
Shamrock3939 3 months ago
The FDNY are one of MANY groups asking for a full and INDEPENDENT investigation into this scam. Also, notice how they repeatedly say it's going to "blow up"..not "fall from fire."
thisisfunny88 3 months ago
NIST reported that the building collapsed do to scattered office fires that destroyed 1 beam and cause the whole building to collapse. now that is a bunch of bull shit, the only way that building could fall like that at free fall speed is only with controlled demolition. open your eyes people. wtc 7 is the biggest wake up call about 9/11
ImAman555 3 months ago
There were pools of molten steel in the rubble of the towers... Plane fuel can NOT melt molten steel like that. The towers were brought down to start a "War of Terror" to boost the economy. The more people that go overseas means there are more job openings here. The whole thing is common sense people. Our country is more corrupt than I even want to think about.
narlycharley 3 months ago
Firemen who were injured from the blast in the lobby of building 7 stated clearly that there were explosions and secondary explosions going on in building 7 before a plane ever hit.
P0ETRYHOUND 3 months ago
@P0ETRYHOUND Can you provide a link to back that up?
grapej00se 3 months ago
Hey! What's going on in these commen---
freakypillow 3 months ago
Building 7 was the most obvious of the controlled demolition jobs that happened that day.
WakingUpTheMasses 3 months ago
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@WakingUpTheMasses I see that you've offered and opinion concerning Building 7, so I've got a very specific question for you regarding same. I think it is an important question as the answer has rather significant ramifications. Here it is. Why do you think that the Fire Department gave a final order to abandon the WTC7 building and surrounding area at 2:30 P.M.? (The building collapsed at 5:20:52 P.M.) Thank you.
azul8811 3 months ago
Building 7 was taken down to destroy secret documents. The United States government doesn't have the technology known as paper shredders. I was talking to a truther the other day and he couldn't believe that 4-5 militarily trained men could overpower two pilots but he could believe that public buildings were wired with explosives with no one noticing. I mean, really, WTF.
tryithere 3 months ago
Since secondary explosions are utterly denied in the official; report all those eyewitnesses were somehow involved in a huge conspiracy to lie about them it seems. t
Does anyone realise how idiotic this sounds?
Its official though so must be true lol.
zenoist2 4 months ago
@zenoist2
there is no report that denies secondary explosions -- why do you lie?
did you expect a large plane to strike a building and there NOT be secondary explosions? there were seconary explosions when the B-25 struck the Empire State Building. good lord are truthers liars or just stupid?
Denierbud11 4 months ago
it makes about as much sense as theyre all in on the plot to lie about secondary explosions going off doesnt it?
Every single eyewitness lied about them?
There was a huge conspiracy to lie about them involving thousands of people.
they were all in it and reported explosions when in fact there werent any?
Get a brain you freak!
zenoist2 4 months ago
Anyone who believes the official NIST report of ONE column ( #78 I believe) to be the main cause of the symmetrical near free fall collapse of building 7 is the conspiracy nut. WAKE UP ! Critical thinking is lost for these Flag Suckers.
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azul8811 3 months ago
*ironic mode on* dont u see WTC7 is the first building in history collapsed by a massive fart wave *ironic mode of*
XXmcpepeXX 4 months ago
@bagintree You believe that asymetrical damage created a perfectly symetrical collapse... Who's the idiot now? :)
SuckDeezNutzBitch 4 months ago 2
All the FF's and FDNY Chiefs who saw the Vessey side of 7 said there was severe damage and roaring fires.
They saw 7 was leaning badly and feared collapse hours before it fell.
YUP...sounds like a super duper secret NWO, Bush, Silverstein demolition job to me !!!!!!!!!!
GAWD...you Truthers are Duuuumb!
LindaStevensBZ 4 months ago
Inside job? Who was the "insider"? Bush?
Thorpe741 4 months ago
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Born2Flesh 4 months ago
This is supposed to be evidence of a demolition of WTC 7? OMG, how stupid. If those guys are firefighters, then if they're being literal about the building blowing up, that means they were part of the inside job. They lost a bunch of their own guys that day but they're part of the plot?
Truthers are idiots.
bagintree 4 months ago 4
@bagintree thermite was found, wich can be used as an explosive. and the building fell at free fall speed, despite not being hit with a plane, that means there was no resistance.
Abe91195 4 months ago
@bagintree NO, put asside your logical falacy, they witness building being demolitioned whilst loosing crews @ WTC its the statement of the building comming down which points to the inside job aspect as WTC7 was the 'command hub' for the operation, a reinforced building designed against terrorist and indirect nuclear attacks just happens to pancake due to small office fires on two floors and a piece of debris? Barry Jennings Stated otherwise and mysteriously dies...
DARTHMOBIUS 4 months ago
@bagintree Three dancing Israeli MOSSAD Agents were released by the FBI and then they returned to Israel and admitted on Israeli TV they ''were in New York to record the event'', so MOSSAD has admitted their complicity in 911. Guilty Israelis are commenting on YouTube pretending to be innocent Americans because Israel is terrified of losing the US$ 3 Billion that US taxpayers give to Israel every year.
dreamdiction 4 months ago
@bagintree:
"Truthers are idiots"?
Your the idiot. the fact these fire fighters knew the building was coming down means they were told to get back by others, possibly their superiors.
Just because they knew 7 was coming down at that point in time does not mean they were in on the demolition.
Why don't you find out who had the contract for the whole WTC security!
deth2theNWO 4 months ago
@deth2theNWO why don't you tell us who you think had the contract sor security for WTC, because I bet you are fucking wrong, ingorant, and using truther lies from 8 years ago that have long been proven false
Denierbud11 4 months ago
@deth2theNWO "Just because they knew 7 was coming down at that point in time does not mean they were in on the demolition."
LOL! They had inside information but they didn't really know. Sure, makes perfect sense.
buddyfreakinhoIIy 3 months ago
@bagintree
Wrong.
Those same firefighters bought the story of the building falling due to fire anyways.
If they were told by their captain that the building was to fall down due to the fire (there was a bit of fire but nothing even close to serious, and the building obviously fell from thermite explosives later found in the wreckage and confirmed as such) then they'd believe it right away and repeat the message, trying to save people.
It's obvious that they bought the fire story already.
SergeantPepper99 4 months ago
@SergeantPepper99 Thanks for proving twoofers can't reason their way out of a paper bag.
If the firefighters had advance knowledge of a demolition, that means they had inside information of a plot that killed 343 of their own. And that makes no sense at all.
I love watching truthers thrash around trying to explain how firefighters could have had inside information but not really have inside information. Hahahaha!
buddyfreakinhoIIy 3 months ago
@bagintree no, you are an idiot for making assumptions. no one said the firemen were part of the plot. but they were informed that wtc 7 would come down
tehgreatist 3 months ago
@bagintree ,no they are not part of it, the just got an order to move the people away...
ddboris 3 months ago
@bagintree how stupid
host47 3 months ago
@bagintree NO MY FRIEND YOU ARE THE IDIOT UNLESS YOUR AN FBI AGENT OR EVEN A AUTOMATIC SPAM BOT. KEEP BELIEVING WHAT THE GOVERMENT SAYS BECAUSE THEY LOVE YOU AND CARE ABOUT YA.
mikedabohl 3 months ago
@bagintree No, they are not part of the plot but you surely need to investigate a lot lot more about this. You are in the right place, there are many informative vids on youtube. Don't stick to just this one video.
meloearth 2 months ago
@bagintree watch?v=GnNQlktsheU (notice the dates of these movies made in holy-wood)
meloearth 2 months ago
@bagintree truthers are idiots?thats an idiot staement,i'm what you would call a "truther" yet i don't think fireman were involved nor am i sure with what hapened that day,i just don't believe the official story we were told,somethings been covered up..
jcfelony13 2 months ago
@bagintree fucking terrorists
InSovietRussia17 2 months ago
@bagintree " If those guys are firefighters, then if they're being literal about the building blowing up, that means they were part of the inside job."
Think this. According to NY Chief of Fire Department (2001) Peter Ganci, he stated that WTC 7 was empty of sivillian untill noon and small group firemens were out about 3 hour before collapse. And videos dont lie, there r many clips including the sounds of exlposion and as well testimonies of it from firefighters, police and sivillians.
EvilKnievel1980 2 months ago
@bagintree It may be that they were just informed minutes before that it was coming down.. need to find out the chain leading up to who that word originated from. Could very well be that a number of the firefighters were involved. Some of them appeared to be acting a little squirly.. Like the fella that the chief was telling not to put water on the molten steel.
GunClingingPalin 1 week ago
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"Those are not firefighters."
Yeah, you can't tell who they are or what building they're referring to or whether they speaking literally or not. It's silly to use this video as evidence of anything.
The firefighters said the building was unstable and likely to collapse. They formed a collapse zone around it. They didn't do that at any other building. They weren't part of any inside job. They simply saw that it was in very bad shape and would probably collapse.
PoetryHound 4 months ago
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"Those are not firefighters."
Yeah, you can't tell who they are or what building they're referring to or whether they speaking literally or not. It's silly to use this video as evidence of anything.
The firefighters said the building was unstable and likely to collapse. They formed a collapse zone around it. They didn't do that at any other building. They weren't part of any inside job. They simply saw that it was in very bad shape and would probably collapse.
PoetryHound 4 months ago
@tawom yh u said it rite. 1500 experienced and professional don't know what they are talkin about. They studied buildings and structure for yrs and they don't know what they are talkin about! Inside job!
Abs786786 4 months ago
Inside job! Bush... We're (9/11 victims' families and innocent Americans') comin to get u
Abs786786 4 months ago
@Abs786786 remember also all those who where bombed by USA because of 911
babakpardes 4 months ago
@Blake, I think you misread my sarcasm. I don't and can't believe these building fell from a fire either. Being an engineer myself I've taken a long hard look at all 3 buildings coming down and from what ive learned even in my high school physics class this was improbable. Free fall speed in it's own footprint? Come on, think about it... Especially tower 7 with simple fires going! Why is it that NIST can't even give a reason for it imploding in it's own footprint?
tawom 4 months ago
I guess 1500 architects and engineers, many with Phd's are idiots and don't know what they are talking about.
tawom 4 months ago
@tawom Yes, the 1500 numbnuts who participated in AE911twoof are idiots who don't know what they're talking about. Since there are more than 3,000,000 architects and engineers in the US, alone, that means less than 1% of that profession is willing to sign on to that dumbassery.
And that's before we deal with all the fake names on that list. My favorite was "M.K. Mackey.'
By the way, how many peer-reviewed papers have those 1500 dickheads published?
TBlake34 4 months ago
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@blackjerryboymetal '
"There have been over a dozen steel framed buidings that have collapsed from fire alone"
Could you post the list? I can't find quite that many... Thanks!
Skeptic121 4 months ago
@qyxzz it was 7 billion in insurance.
CaptainBismark 4 months ago
1) even if it didnt collapse they still would have collapse the building
TheTornado1999 4 months ago
8.21.08 NIST WTC Investigator: “Video and photographic evidence combined with detailed computer simulations show that neither explosives nor fuel oil fires played a role in the collapse of WTC 7.” Cover-up = conspiracy = con. 9/11 was an outside/inside job.
thewaymouth 4 months ago
The end of the Cold War, huge national debts, a military industrial complex to maintain. How do you prop up the preexisting structure that literally trillions of dollars and our entire economy is key stoned with? We consume 25% of the world's oil and peak production has already been reached. We needed a "justifiable" reason to be in permanent military action in the Middle East. That's the fact of it. Larry Silverstein made $500 million in insurance, and the 911 Report omits BLGD 7 entirely.
betrayyoursoul37 4 months ago
@betrayyoursoul37
I think the sum Silverstein made from insurance is way above 1 billion.
qyxzz 4 months ago
@blackjerryboymetal the ONLY steel frame high rise buildings to have EVER collapsed due to fire are WTC 1, 2 and 7. That is a FACT! Steel is heat treated so that parts of building dont give way or collapse not because it would fall totally into it's own footprint perfects symmetrically. I have seen footage of steelframe building burning massivly worse than wtc and for days not 1.5 hrs lol youtube.com/watch?v=9E4kCS-LsFI THATS A STEEL FRAM BUILDING FIRE!!!!!!
galaxything 4 months ago
@galaxything have you ever seen a fucking plane hit a building? oh yeah the fire is much worse then a fucking 200k ton airplane at hundreds of miles per hour full of jet fuel
ImGodUFUCK 4 months ago
@ImGodUFUCK then tell that to NIST you dumb fuck
galaxything 4 months ago
@galaxything only few hundreds years ago people thought the world was flat, so you think now people cant be wrong about things?
ImGodUFUCK 4 months ago
inside job
TheTeamNational 4 months ago
If those guys really are NY firefighters and if they're really talking about WTC 7 and they really had advance knowledge of a demolition of it, then that means they're part of the inside job. Sure bet. On a day they lost 343 of their own, the firefighters are part of the cover-up? Buuuuuulllshit.
PoetryHound 4 months ago 2
@PoetryHound Those are not firefighters.
bklynAtrain 4 months ago
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@bklynAtrain "Those are not firefighters."
Yeah, you can't tell who they are or what building they're referring to or whether they speaking literally or not. It's silly to use this video as evidence of anything.
The firefighters said the building was unstable and likely to collapse. They formed a collapse zone around it. They didn't do that at any other building. They weren't part of any inside job. They simply saw that it was in very bad shape and would probably collapse.
PoetryHound 4 months ago
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@bklynAtrain "Those are not firefighters."
Yeah, you can't tell who they are or what building they're referring to or whether they speaking literally or not. It's silly to use this video as evidence of anything.
The firefighters said the building was unstable and likely to collapse. They formed a collapse zone around it. They didn't do that at any other building. They weren't part of any inside job. They simply saw that it was in very bad shape and would probably collapse.
PoetryHound 4 months ago
@PoetryHound Look up "World Exclusive: WTC7 Survivor Barry Jennings Account." on YouTube. Barry was the Emergency Coordinator in building 7. He was actually in the building and described what happened.
bklynAtrain 4 months ago
@PoetryHound There's also "BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell" on YouTube.
bklynAtrain 4 months ago 11
they knew the building was coming down, they had their heads hung in shame
they knew what was going on and what was happening and there wasnt a damn thing they could do about
just another mark in the book of proof we arent being told the whole or true story
dramey03 5 months ago
@blackjerryboymetal They fireproof them anyway to keep fire from spreading. Rather you realize it or not, fire leaves a bit of a mess that most people probably would rather keep in a small area as opposed to letting half the building burn. And no, steel buildings don't collapse from fire.
CockysThoughts 5 months ago
did no one take in to acount that the guy stated that THREE TIMES that the building was about to BLOW UP and they was no fire that can be seen.
P.s. have a go at me all you like, i do not give a crap :)
scarykid13 5 months ago
/watch?v=_DuSeuxjiJQ
ZionistsRunTheGov 5 months ago
Its part of a bigger plan. The terrorists hate us because of our freedoms. So since 9/11 we have been loosing them and the justification is 9/11 the oil opium blah blah blah is just a bonus. So who are the real terrorists? Its been tried before that is the attempt to set up a fascist dictatorship in this country and what better way to do it than bleeding the people of their wealth and liberty while poisoning their minds and bodies so when the hammer does fall there's not anyone to resist
99bottlesofjack 5 months ago
I know truthers have been having a hard time getting decent turn-outs at their rag-tag little rallies, so I have a suggestion for them. At their next rally, they should dress up like clowns, with clown suits, big floppy shoes, and little round red clown noses. This would be good for truthers because first of all, people would pay more attention to them, and second, their costumes would accurately reflect the comical stupidity of their paranoid, cultish beliefs. It's a win-win solution!
PoetryHound 6 months ago
@PoetryHound was that your attempt at humor? Oh dear.
drewsiboberinski 5 months ago
All the members of the Bush administration must be prosecuted for this heinous crime against humanity.
1GodOnlyOne 6 months ago
pure and simple EVIL that was planed at the cremation of care cermony at the bohemian grove anual meeting
cruisersism 6 months ago
yes, it was bush. How stupid human must bee if he belive that Osama Binladen do this?
mxu79 6 months ago
bush did this...
koringn 6 months ago
HAHAHAHA, who profits here mothe* *uckeeeeeers!!!!!
zoobizzit 6 months ago
I would like to point something out to everyone involved, and please thumbs up if you agree: Every time we try to have a discussion about HOW or WHY our government could be responsible for 9/11, the conspirators jump the tracks and start talking about oil, heroine, lithium, gold, or shadow ops blah blah blah. Stay on subject or shut your ignorant fucking mouths. I didn't ask you about oil. I asked you to show me facts that connect someone BESIDES the 19 Saudi terrorists to these attacks.
aarondhp20 6 months ago
@aarondhp20 &i aks 2show me facts 2connect 19saudi terrorists 2these attacks
i mean thats the official story,then THEY have 2back it up with evidence
& cause the Media/gov said so doesnt make it true or a solid case
which is hard if 9terrorists are still alive,the blackboxes arnt released,
footage of the pentagon is confiscated,
why never one word was spoken about the Anthrax
while its proven with DNA testing it all came from USA
& 400'coincedences'never happend in history arnt explained/proven
cutoff808 6 months ago
@aarondhp20
The Terrorists that boarded the plane (verified with the plane itenerary) along with their victims were incinerated on impact with the tower. No bodies to recover I'm afraid. The black box was buried/destroyed underneath and within untold ammounts of rubble. Footage of the pentagon was released, but it was an external security camera and they are not known for quality. And I call bullshit on Anthrax being traced to the U.S. via DNA testing. Feel free to reference your source.
aarondhp20 6 months ago
@aarondhp20 OMG. are you still peddling that old story. No one believes that anymore. Keep up with the times! It's not 2003
drewsiboberinski 5 months ago
@drewsiboberinski
If you want to join the big boys in conversation I suggest you point out EXACTLY which point of that answer you did not like. Generalizing the entire statement as false is a little hypocritical when you want me to believe the other horse shit theories with no hard facts. Yes I know jet fuel won't "melt" steel, but is sure as fuck reaches its annealing point. Oh that must be a big word for a fifth grader. Why don't you google that? Mkay pumpking =)
aarondhp20 5 months ago
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@aarondhp20 "If you want to join the big boys in conversation " OMG what a knob jokey = )
drewsiboberinski 5 months ago
@aarondhp20 a building with 28 columns cannot collapse due to one column failing - yet NIST says this is how building 7 collapsed. What a fucking dumb theory yet you believe that nonsense.
pigeonpsycho 5 months ago
@pigeonpsycho
Lol so maybe their THEORY was incorrect. Do you understand theory means educated guess? There's no way for them to know exactly which card in the house of cards failed first. And I would guess just by looking at the initial impact that more than one column was sheered in half. But that would be my theory.
aarondhp20 5 months ago
@aarondhp20 YOU believe the official story, the government's line is it fell due to office fires and a 1 column collapse... 1 column would NEVER bring down an entire building at free fall speed..EVER...all columns have to be sheered for a symmetric collapse... nutjobs...
pigeonpsycho 5 months ago
@pigeonpsycho
I believe the official story because everything that they analyzed came from video footage and analyzing the wreckage. The Govt. could have been wrong as to HOW the towers came down, but that doesn't mean they're responsible.
There is no "line" it was a best guess. It's called forensic science and it's not perfect.
The reason most of America considers people like you paranoid conspiracy theorists is you try to equate error with responsibility. You have no facts. Just accusations
aarondhp20 4 months ago
@aarondhp20 Ok bro, 1 column collapse, 1 column brings down the entire building at free fall speed, ok bro easily gullible.
pigeonpsycho 4 months ago
@pigeonpsycho
Should I even explain to you? Sure why not. The plane destroyed more than just 1 column. The "uneven heating" of the steel columns caused buckling which forced other columns away from the center of the tower, dropping sections of floor onto the next floor with trumendous force in excess of 15,000 tons beyond their load weight. And the tower didnt tip because it takes more time for larger objects to achieve lateral velocity. You want me to explain in more detail?
aarondhp20 4 months ago
@aarondhp20 we're talking about building 7, it wasn't hit by any plane. btw the pancake theory would mean the building would fall at a much much slower rate, so that's out the window.
pigeonpsycho 4 months ago
@aarondhp20
Hahahaha!! The plane destroyed more than just 1 column. Of course! The problem is the UNDAMAGED section of the tower failed at the exact same time as the damaged portion. Don't use that nonsense to back up your theory. What caused the undamaged section to literally SNAP?
7Epitaph 4 months ago
@7Epitaph When one floor, weighing 15,000 tons fell, It would require that ALL of the joist supports failed simoultaneously. The towers modular design enabled the weight to be distributed from a failed column to the others. Once several more failed due to heat and warping (not melting), the joist supports failed for the entire floor, which dropped the intact floor onto the one below it with trumendous kinetic force. The supports simply sheered off from the weight after that.
aarondhp20 4 months ago
@7Epitaph The tower was a modular design. One section would probably not have fallen because the tower was designed to distribute the weight should one or two columns fail. So the theory shown to me was this: uneven heating caused several more columns to faila s well placing the entire weight of one floor onto about 75-85% of the columns which caused them to sheer off and drop the entire floor onto the one below it. Doubling the weight definitely repeated this process to the ground.
aarondhp20 4 months ago
Have the firecrews at WTC7 been traced? they are the only ones who can answer our questions
gazwilwah 7 months ago
Yeah because if you were part of the biggest cover up of all time you'd happily admit to being complicit whilst on camera bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahaha you honestly will never know how retarded you really are.
NeRo84 7 months ago
why were larry silverstein and his son and daughter who work for him not at WTC when we were under attack? ...on that particular morning?
millvalleyrn 7 months ago
What? No sounds? Obviously you have not done your research Timmy.
Illtype 7 months ago
@blackjerryboymetal BJ-Boy, Kader Toy factory was NOT a high-rise. It barely fits the technical definition of a mid-rise which is at least 4 stories.
It was so poorly built that it wasn't even up to Thailand's poor building codes.
Go to Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, click on "Evidence" then under documents click on "Technical Articles" or go the videos. There is a plethora of evidence that the "official government story" is IMPOSSIBLE!
getbo 7 months ago
@blackjerryboymetal You don't have any credibility. I asked you one thing "name one high-rise that collapsed due to fire before three did on 911" and you respond like a glue sniffing idiot.
You are not worthy of a response because dialog is not possible with a minimum wage glue sniffing idiot like yourself.
getbo 7 months ago
@blackjerryboymetal BJ-Boy, Kader Toy factory is NOT an example of a high rise collapse. You give me an example of a third world poorly built structure in Thailand with no drywall, no sprinklers, no thermal fire protection, no absorptive fire protection, and stud web stiffeners made of aluminum!
The floors were made of 28 gage steel which was not even up to Thailand's minimum standards.
Again NO high-rise in history had ever collapsed due to fire until three did on September 11. Run along.
getbo 7 months ago
@blackjerryboymetal Maybe you should compare the right kind of buildings and get your facts straight? A building not even made for surviving fire with wtc7... nice try... "There were no fire extinguishers, no alarms, no sprinkler system. The buildings themselves were death traps, constructed from un-insulated steel girders that buckled and gave way in less than 15 minutes."
gullungen84 7 months ago
The collapse of building 7 is most obviously a controlled demolition. Those "debunkers" and "911 truth deniers" look completely ridiculous trying to convince us of an official government story that is impossible.
getbo 7 months ago
@blackjerryboymetal Name one high-rise that has collapsed due to fire before 911. Also why the rude comments to fellow posters? It hurts your credibility.
getbo 7 months ago
If it was a controlled demolition, there would have been a series of extremely loud explosions immediately prior to the collapse. They would have been clearly recorded on all cameras present. Building 7 had no sounds of explosions.
TimothyRaymond1 7 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 Tim what is your background? Are you an expert on exotic explosives? Are you aware that there are more advanced explosives than dynamite to blow up a building?
getbo 7 months ago
@getbo I'm not an expert on explosives, but I do know that they all make a lot of noise when they are detonated. Building 7 had absolutely no sounds of explosions at all.
TimothyRaymond1 7 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 think u should read up on thermite. It "cuts" through steel. It doesnt explode.
gullungen84 7 months ago
@gullungen84 If thermite was used, there would have been a lot of clean cut support columns found in the debris. Also several tons of thermite would have had to been used to demolish tower 7, and it would have to be placed directly on the support columns. To do that they would have had to tear out large sections of drywall to get to the columns. It is impossible for them to do all that without anyone noticing.
TimothyRaymond1 7 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 There were renovations going on. There were clean cuts.
gullungen84 7 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 Ok Tim. But you make two errant assumptions, maybe because you haven't studied the evidence. First - You say "no explosions". Really? Go to Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, click on 'EVIDENCE' on the right column you will find explosions video and other media for building 7. Over 118 first responders are on record detailing explosions they had heard. (See the PDF)
getbo 7 months ago
@TimothyRaymond1 Also Tim, Barry Jennings and city official Michael Hess were in building 7 when massive explosions destroyed the first floor lobby - on record actually experiencing explosions in building 7.
Your second errant assumption is that "all explosives make a lot of noise". Dynamite used to blow up Vegas hotels is obviously loud. Nano-Thermite can be manufactured to release energy that produces explosions with minimal noise. All samples from the site show evidence of Thermite.
getbo 7 months ago
@blackjerryboymetal Trusses are fire proofed because of code. extreme fire could deform a truss... but not enough to cause an entire building to fall like a house of cards. think of a fire inside a turbocharger of a car and inside the combustion chamber.. diesel fuel and kerosene is same as jet fuel. it burns hot not hot enough to melt steel to the point of failure. realistically, i cant see the buildings came down from fire caused by jet fuel and burning paper and office furniture.
7digitalSunday 8 months ago
@7digitalSunday Good points 7digitalSunday. Are you aware that the government has admitted that they have a debunk campaign to counter "conspiracy theories" and specifically "911 Truthers" on the web? Many of the 911 deniers posting could be near minimum wage government employees.
getbo 7 months ago
Osama (Usama) Bin Laden's Death was also an "Inside Job" the wool was pulled over the American people's eyes AGAIN! AND the sheeple believed it. maybe osama usama was dead for a long time or maybe he still isnt dead. but i bet the body the buried at sea wasnt fresh kill. AhAhAh,
7digitalSunday 8 months ago
textbook controlled demolition.
JasonVladimir 8 months ago
@JasonVladimir Yeah. Textbook. Except for the lack of visible and audible detonation of blasting charges just before the collapse initiates. Textbook except for the lack of ANY explosive remnants left over in the debris field. Textbook except for the massive amount of coordination that takes place before ALL real demo jobs of this size. Yeah, textbook.
Deke101 8 months ago
9/11 is a cover up of a crime committed by powerful people on this planet. It shouldn't surprise anyone. I don't know why 10 years later people are still having a hard time figuring that out. The power "elite" don't give a fuck about you. Get off your arrogant high horses and deal with that truth.
Illtype 8 months ago 4
@Illtype It took me a while to see clearly that the "official government story" is IMPOSSIBLE.
My brain didn't want to believe that my government orchestrated an attack on Americans who were people just like myself.
Then I saw the pattern going back decades of perpetual lying that has become increasingly bold to manipulate the masses.
My journey started by studying building 7 on the Architects and Engineers for 911 website. There is a mountain of evidence.
getbo 7 months ago
@Illtype wow, your a sad man
gunhugger16 7 months ago
@gunhugger16 YOU"RE ....it's YOU'RE as in YOU'RE not very smart.
millvalleyrn 7 months ago
@millvalleyrn 10 years later and you still have no reason or evidence why the government would do it
gunhugger16 7 months ago
@gunhugger16 you didn't watch 'loose change: an american coup?'
you haven't seen Architects and Engineers for 9-11 truth?
barry jennings murdered... an otherwise heathy man who died unexpectedly.
hard to produce evidence when it is removed (steel - tons of it) from a crime scene that is surrounded by the FBI....
you see what you want to see... so keep believing there's no evidence and no science to support a government conspiracy. keep believing your gov't cares about you.
millvalleyrn 7 months ago
@millvalleyrn look at what your saying, it paranoia
if the government did do this they would not have to clean up after, it would be a one shot deal, what evidence would they want with steel?
and the FBI would not be able to seal of ground 0 because hundreds of thousands of people came to the site and help find people
there is no evidence in what you said.
sorry to say but your in denial,
gunhugger16 7 months ago
@gunhugger16 Here on YouTube watch "9/11 Experiments: Eliminate the Impossible" ... interesting even if you think it's fiction.
millvalleyrn 7 months ago
@millvalleyrn I got to give some credit, the video was put together pretty well but,
some of the experiments were flawed, like the guy dropping bricks on bricks
economically it makes no sense, we knew how much the war would cost
they compared it to a normal office fire, when they left out the fact the jet was more then half full of high octane jet fuel.
the only thing I think some people can agree on is that we elected two dip shits in a row
gunhugger16 7 months ago
@gunhugger16 kerosene doesn't melt steel, nor does it weaken it. most of the kerosene burned off in the initial explosions, the rest gone in 10-15 mins. what was left to burn hot enough to make the steel fail? office fires that with vid evidence shows were not burning out of control, what created the socalled heat to make the steel fail? it was done for global purposes, the american gov stood down on 9/11 and allowed it to happen, many reasons why, just look into it, answers are there.
blite13 7 months ago
@gunhugger16 First of all, what happened to the gold, look that one up. What happened to insider trading evidence and other wall street crime evidence in building 7, look at that. Patriot act, look at that, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, look at that..read the book PNAC, it is carefully detailed why and how they parlayde 9/11 into deceiving Americans into accepting these invasions. Heroin in Iraq controlled by CIA, look into that. Trillions worth of Lithium in Afghanistan, look at that, much more
blite13 7 months ago
@blite13 Lithium? your fucking kidding right.
and the CIA controlled opium to defeat the Russians
lithium? do you even know what lithium is used for?
gunhugger16 7 months ago
@gunhugger16 Watch this, your dumbed down media even admits it......v=tz4dnSZKFUI
blite13 7 months ago
@gunhugger16 Watch this, your dumbed down media even admits it......v=tz4dnSZKFUI.....correction to my last post...should have read...heroin from Afghanistan.
blite13 7 months ago
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@blite13 still did not answer my question, do you know what lithium is for and why the government wants it?
gunhugger16 7 months ago
@Illtype you are a COMPLETE reatard, no people are BIG or shit, your just another conspirator, LOSER, nobody care WTF you say
XxEmpireLGxX 7 months ago
@Illtype
I believe in truths I can see and understand. After the Iraq papers were leaked everyone thought it would contain some information that would shed light on 9/11 and what really happened. But they didn't did they?
You can be content in believing the great big shadow government is out to get you but call it what it is, a belief.
Let me tell you a truth: You have no idea, evidence, or factual basis to explain how or WHY our government would ever do something so terrible.
aarondhp20 6 months ago
@Illtype
because theres no proof . sherlock
thisphotoisproof 5 months ago
@thisphotoisproof indeed, steel skyscapers fall down at freefall speed all the time
pigeonpsycho 5 months ago
@pigeonpsycho
nice try but its not exactly freefall speed, you should look more into the way it actually happened and how the buildings were poorly made for fire emergencies.
thisphotoisproof 5 months ago
@thisphotoisproof I have, and there's nothing to suggest fire could bring them down. The skyscaper that was set on fire in Milan was badly made, burned for longer than building 7, and didn't even collapse. Bottom line: office fires do not and cannot melt steel - but evidence has been found the steel was melted. Question is: if it wasn't fire.. what the hell was it?
pigeonpsycho 5 months ago
@pigeonpsycho
steel only has to weaken to 45% in order to lose its support. All the steel was weakened enough to cause bowing in the floors. Also when WTC 1 and 2 fell both the buildings ended up falling on to building 7, basically gutting out the middle of 7 and leaving a gaping fire hole at the bottom that was never really captured on TV, so from TV the building looks fine... but the fire department new it was coming down and ordered the team to " pull" a fire dept term for get out of area
thisphotoisproof 5 months ago
@thisphotoisproof
people say "pull" was for to pull the trigger, but thats false anyone that worked for the fire dept could tell you it means that the building is too damaged and dangerious to try to save it, so they "pull out" of the are and let the building come down.
thisphotoisproof 5 months ago
@thisphotoisproof There is a picture somewhere of the gap from the front, which would make one assume the building would fall toward that side rather than in its own footprint within 8 seconds or at least crumble since the majority of the building was in tact. For it to collapse like it did you'd need a symmetric fail within all columns at the exact same time other wise the fall would be uneven. NIST say just office fires caused it with just one column failing, i don't believe that for a second.
pigeonpsycho 5 months ago
@pigeonpsycho
the front of the building collapsed first.. then seconds later the rest free fell after the building had just lost nearly all support. If you watch a video of it collapsing you can notice the front going first around 2-3 seconds before the rest of the building. Im not trying to side with the official story, I just know that as much as it doesnt make sense..it really does make sense.. its all explainable by simple engineering and science. its More proof of fail than conspiracy.
thisphotoisproof 5 months ago
@thisphotoisproof That's not how NIST ( the people who investigated it ) explained the collapse. So it's just your theory for now. I don't understand your logic in having part of the crumbled building bring everything else down at freefall speed ( yes it was free fall speed for the first 8 floors, highly suspicious ) - the fact more of the building that is standing in tact being pulled down at freefall by a lesser mass. If anything it would fall down in lumps - not an entire building.
pigeonpsycho 5 months ago