Ruby on Rails vs .NET - Commercial #9 of 9

[froggprod]

i'm a cakephp programmer and dont give a damn about the video's content, just find them funny... u ppl should stop taking it so seriously. we're all making money out of our favorite framework/language... (if you're not, then you should be angry)

[yukimushu]

Some of your guys have to lighten up. They're pretty funny videos lol.

[Omego2K]

dynamic typing would mean that the type is chosen dynamically(e.g. at runtime). Which is pointless in any language even ruby. var a = 5; would be type inference. The type is chosen at compile time. Ruby on the other hand, correct me if I'm wrong, does not type variables.In the same function you can have:

a = "5"

puts a

a = 5

puts a

a = [5, 5, 5]

puts a

Which means that a points to three different types depending at point of access. This is wouldn't be type inference or dynamic typing.

[Omego2K]

By the way I like Ruby/RoR, but this is not a good comparison. I do agree the M$ is trying to copy or simulate things that dynamic languages are doing. Especially in C# 4.0.

[complicatedfiend]

Why does everyone take these videos so damn serious?

[acidmeat]

0/10

[diwr]

.net/c# is fucking lovely.

[ryanthomaskendall]

This debate is rather heated, I don't think you understand the seriousness of the topic at hand. This is life of death shit.

[johnnyalibuyog]

These guys don't know what their talking about.

"var a = 5;" in c# is not dynamic typing. It is called Type Inference.

Dynamic is done differently. You're just making your self a fool trolling the internet.

[bluefootedpig]

Strongly typed variables are merely the first unit test of the system. It simply tells you if you are making a mistake by assigning an object to an int. The same rules and practices apply if you are doing dynamic or not, just dynamic allows you to shoot yourself in the foot is all. 

[clauromero1976]

Furthermore, I don't think they're real developers. They must be actors or something like that. :)

IMO, as developers they are good actors :) lol

[clauromero1976]

This video is not comparing NET vs Rails, it only compares what 2 coders can do in 2 different programming languages.

You can write crappy code in any language, including Ruby On Rails.

What's the next video? Rails vs Assembler? Rails vs C?

These guys are funny.

These 2 guys should go back to school. They may learn something about programming.

[clauromero1976]

This is totally idiotic

[clauromero1976]

Excuse me?

[gabefuller]

Dumbest video ever created!

[knugie]

RoR is great. So why do guys make everyone else hate it?

[memoivoila]

Good video

[loupax]

It's only me that finds dynamic typing more of a problem than a solution? I mean, why shouldn't I be able to choose the type of my variables?

I get that it makes things easier to code, but why dynamic typing usually completely disables the ability of specific type decleration?

[notinheritable]

You guys are good, well done.

[Hiei102493]

Firstly, static typing is superior. Secondly, C# now has real dynamic typing. Thirdly, neither this video or the other Ruby on Rails vs .Net video shows any dimension of superiority to ASP.net.

All it did for me was give me a laugh and make me more of an ASP.net fan.

[Christobanistan]

Idiots. "var a = 5" is NOT dynamic typing, it is sytactic sugar that maintains the speed and type safety of a statically typed language, while Ruby is stuck with ONLY pure dynamic typing. In C# (.net) you can do "dynamic a = 5" and then later assign anything, even a COM object to a because it is now a truly dynamically typed variable. Of course it is crazy slow depending on the kind of object you're assigning.

So C# lets you have the best of dynamic, with the efficiency of var.

[BacklTrack]

Even though they made themselves look like asses -- some of these were pretty funny. Got to admit that,

[darkdiabolica]

:) Am i the only one that noticed that Ruby on Rails didnt say anything about the Python Framework? :) And well it's Windows :P they are going to sue anyone for doing something better then them. If you dont believe this check out the Microsoft Halloween Papers...

[Kalemine1]

Type inference : all the performance advantages of static typing, easy refactoring + code completion that work well. Not the same at all as dynamic typing.

Now, .NET 4 DOES support real dynamic typing. Not used much, but in some place like COM interop or ViewData, or where you'd use reflection, it fit the job well. Amazing how .NET let me choose the right kind of tool for the job.

[slosd]

Srsly? You are pointing out dynamic typing as an advantage...?

[Terminigga]

i dont know why but these commercials really really make me angry

[expectomas]

haha suing you for everything you have



[einrealist]

Well, Ruby has no static typing. (How do they refactoring?)

[psygate]

I neither love C# nor Ruby on Rails. But, isn't comparing a language framework like C# with a webdevelopment framework a bit stupid? I mean, I can imagine writing a webserver in C#, can Ruby on Rails do that? I think you're comparing pineapples and airplanes here.

[ilikechess1]

dynamic typing is for .....

[Gabbsmo]

RoR is for Web Development. .net is for everything that run CLI, desktops, mobile devices, web servers, robots, you name it! CLI is a open standard and the Mono project is moving FAST, they are also a Microsoft Gold Partner. So there's only a matter of time until there's no vendor lock-in.

RoR is tailored for the web. .NET is a universal framework.

[aman1ca]

very funny :)

[Zotov13]

Wow, this series somehow managed to piss off ALL the programmers out there...

[DeadSteal]

@Zotov13

Worng.

I'm laughing my ass of.

[Ravenex2]

Lol....you couldn't pay me a million dollars to do that whack ass dance he did at the end of the video! xD

Lol at a feature called "sue you for all you have."

[midarkmind]

@Ravenex2 OK that was funny. LOL

[fugitivodoinferno]

I don't care about C# or any other click oriented language, but that was an *epic fail* my friend.

[cplusplus84]

Type inference & dynamic typing are both bad programming practices. It makes your code harder to read and thus harder to maintain.

[torment3d]

oh man... this one was awesome. Freakin' hilarious :D

[dgoponciano]

I lol'ed hard at the "rubies and gems" hahahaha

[2potatocakes]

haha, these guys are awesome! I read nothing but .net developers crying on here..

[waly666]

Ok. VAR keyword (dynamic typing ) was introduced to make LINQ possible . If you don't know what that is , you should research a little . Of course .Net has its faults (as every language does ) but LINQ is one of the most amazing things i've seen in the IT world in the last few years. There are even ports for Php and other languages. Also .... how many Ruby programmers do you know ?

[kurrator1]

That was EPIC. :D .NET SUCKS! C# and the rest of M$ languages have to be so complex to cover cosmic holes in basic libraries functionality.

[d34d10ck]

*EPIC FAIL*

Since when is type inference the same as dynamic typing?

You better know what you are talking about, before you make fun about it or you look like total fools.



[drumma5]

You should do one Scala on Lift Vs Ruby on Rails and have Ruby on Rails be a fat guy racing a Scala on Lift, a professional runner.

[mrbinkidoo]

Oh my god that laugh is fucking priceless!!! xD haha. Funniest thing I've heard all day :)

[ZerqTM]

Lame!

dynamic typing leads to slopy code if its the fucking standard.

having an optional duck type is the only reasonable use what so ever!

and even then i never use it!

and im not stanger of dynamic typing i code in C syntax basic delphi and javascript (c/lisp hybrid with prototypal inheritance)

everything ruby on rails has .net has in spades when we want something microsoft serves it to us on a silver plate and if we dont like it the language is so well writen that writen.....

[ZerqTM]

@ZerqTM that writing something like an ORM framwork is childesplay... ok so a very complex childrens game but still...

rubys syntax is just messy! and ugly!

and if you must code ruby you can do that under .net as well.

C# is the best syntax ever consived (ok so i wouldent mind having prototypal inheritance as an option... that would be fun... but over all it kicks anything elses ass by a mile!!!

[supadox]

"oh I forgot to tell you about this other new feature we have, it's called suing you for everything you have", lol'd hard.

[Novusium]

Well these seem funny to non-programmers. :O

[jvdanilo]

What?! Hahahaha!

[zharcos]

But this one is really good, better than "vs CF"

[raydeen2k]

And I'm Python and I laugh at both of you. Had all this for years.

[Novusium]

@raydeen2k Yes, and the Django vid never said what RoR had over Django!

[Christobanistan]

@raydeen2k Python has ONLY dynamic typing, which means it's insanely slow. I couldn't imagine using the "dynamic" keyword for every declaration in my app, it would slow things down so effing bad.

C# (and VB.NET) have "var" which is syntactical sugar that makes your code smaller and easier to read, but the type is still known at compile time. It ALSO has the "dynamic" keyword for truly dynamic variables which can be assigned anything at runtime, even COM objects. C# rules them all.

[hammerboi87]

@Christobanistan

You do realize that Common Lisp is dynamically typed, and the SBCL compiler beats C# quite handily at the speed benchmarks, right?

And if you think "even COM objects" is some great boast, you have never used lisp.

[Christobanistan]

@hammerboi87 The SBCL compiler beats C# only when effectively turning off dynamic type checking, by telling the compiler to trust the declared types.

I wasn't 'boasting' about COM objects, just saying the thing that's pointed to can be interacted with in the same way regardless where the object exists, or its form.

[inopiaaardbei]

Congratulations, you just made total asses of yourselves in front of the entire internet.

[Duranak]

As if dynamic typing gave my life new meaning - as if .net/ruby/java/framework topics could make my heart beat raise because of anything else than fustration. I like it type-safe, feels more secure ... others may not.

The video was fun though - i'll give it a 3 star :).

[n5jrn]

Another dumb one. I mean, let's see: C# now lets you choose if you want to declare types explicitly or not. Ruby lets you use any typing model you want, so long as it's dynamic typing. It's sort of hard to see a lack of a feature as a good thing (and -- this may come as a surprise to some -- but some programmers actually prefer static typing; it can make coding errors easier to catch).

[tropicallanterns]

lol, I cracked up at "we're going to take your rubys and gems" xD

[nathan7tube]

I don't know what they're smoking, but I want some too!

[ZerqTM]

hmm.. actualy considering your canibalizing the php user base...

Is that a good thing... everyone knows php...

I.e some of the world worst and slopiest programmers undisiplined programmers...

I pitty you.... seriously.. i pitty you...

Your getting the worlds worst, sloppiest and undisiplined programmers!

people who dont care if they mess up a site for half of europe and leave security holes you can drive a buss through

[ZerqTM]

Also i notice you havent made a video of .Nets MVC framework....

Your being kinda quitet.... *grasshopper sound*

I mean seriously who are the envous ones...

[ZerqTM]

Oh booo hoooo hooo.. lool typing who cares!

anyway loos typing only leads to slopy messy code!

its for retards! fuck you!

Ruby has nothing of intrest its.

now if you had prototypal inheritance then you might have soemthing at least... but you dont so fuck you

anytime microsoft gives us more toys from your toybox you gloat...

but your missing the point we have more toys then you...

We have better toys then you...

And our toys are used in the vast majority of webhotells...

[ZerqTM]

@ZerqTM When you've mercy killed the rotting carcass of php and taken its place i might consider ruby..

Damn i hate that rotten stinking unholy unicode murdering american idiot made acsii bullshit language piece of rotting shit langauge...(php) (phail programing (as ph = f))

[MrRubiez]

God almighty, all these videos achieve is making ruby programmers look like assholes. Trust me, this arrogance is limited to the rails community and I personally despise it.

[megamarsvin]

I guess it's true that M$ developers don't have a sense of humor ;)

Stop taking yourself so seriously folks.

[singerdave2001]

I just used the code from my C# asp web app in a windows application with no changes works nice. can you show me how to do this in ruby? If you can show me then I will show you how I run the same app on a linux machine.

[jastat]

Because static typing is sooo hard and time consuming. Observe the following:

n = 8

vs

int n = 8

oh no! 4 extra keystrokes

[wackyman]

@jastat that's not the point, the point is that n = 8 can become n = "string" later in the code, while int n = 8 can't.

[MalcolmCarmen]

C# -- Dynamic, implicit, and explicit typing

Ruby -- Dynamic typing

Guess which language is more flexible type-wise?

[suvirj]

"we are gonna take all your rubies and gems" hahahahha ... amazing ...

[T0mmyAngel0]

this one is actually funny

[aliancemd]

Python can declare variables without var even. U need just to write i=5 and it's int, i=5.0 and it's float(double), i='awqee' or i="affew" and it's char(smart string obviously)

[SomaVIII]

Yes which is actually not a good thing basing it on ECMAScript's same "feature". When doing it like that you are declaring the variable global if you don't remove it from memory it is stored and can crash your function next time if you have option parameters.

[aliancemd]

@SomaVIII Yes, from this point of view but in ease of use... That makes it even easier to learn...

[SomaVIII]

Yes it does make it a bit easier but it's also bad programming practice. But I'd say ruby is better then python based on syntax, as for power I use C++/PHP for my development so I wouldn't know but from my knowledge there about the same but python is more practical for oop.

[voodoocigam]

C# doesnt have dynamic typing until v4.0. C# 3 has implicit typing, which is just a compiler trick.

[4K4K1K0]

@voodoocigam True.

[b1narycoder]

Who really cares if ruby has dynamic typing? Dynamic typing is actually slower than static typing.

[LAnonHubbard]

The irony is the makers of these videos are ridiculing themselves and their toy framework, not Microsoft!

[vaccutter]

Lawl, Stolen from PHP. :D No idea where PHP got it from, but PHP had it before Ruby. ;]

[FrozenIceCweam]

@vaccutter Cough ECMAScript (aka Javascript) I think they had it first.

[vaccutter]

Ok. I knew PHP was not the first one, but I damn well know Ruby wasn't so no clue why they made a commercial about it..

[b1narycoder]

@FrozenIceCweam Nope, PHP had it first PHP was designed in 1995 while JavaScript was developed in 1996 - ironic isn't it?

Of course back then PHP was a lot less functional.

[4K4K1K0]

@b1narycoder Ever heard of LISP?

[4K4K1K0]

@FrozenIceCweam Nope, there have been much, much older programming languages with dynamic typing.

[MoroJesha]

Hey, you dont even know what you are talking about in this video. "var" keyword is not for dynamic variables - it's for ANONYMOUS variables. You can declare dynamic variables in c#4.0 using "dynamic" keyword. So.. either you dont know what dynamic is or you are critizising a platform which you dont know well. Moreover, you could invert this situation and mock Ruby because it has no static typing! The best comment for this video is: EPIC FAIL!

[dimituri]

Actually, the var keyword is also used for type inference.

[Lilinye]

LOL

1. Adding language bloat when Ruby has it for free is a good thing?

2. Ruby is strongly and dynamically typed. It should be obvious to anyone that Ruby is not statically typed since it runs in an interpreter(ie runtime). It doesn't have a compiler so how could it be staticly typed.?

[pharmajoe990]

RUBBISH

[sunnz]

lol @ sue every you have

[Gernsback]

i think that was actually kinda funny

[ekeko79]

ruby has the worst haircut ever

[73217123]

we gonna take all your rubies and gems! lol!

[00iCrazy00]

wow... .NET acts more like a dick than Ruby looks like in this vid

Not saying i don't like ruby or these commercials tho ^^

[RACOS666]

dynamic typing is for lames.

[vinnymale]

gem install linq ? :(|)

[aenygma]

i like the microsoft mormon look.

[what2search]

!before you were java ,php, .net and so on.

What about next ? a looser vs Ruby on fails oh tails i mean rails.

[MasterMind300]

the ruby guy is a dick.

[deathly94]

hes meant to be on

[Phprs]

class rubyonrails extends crapLanguageLibrary{ public function __construct(){ makeSomeCrap(); return "Somthing random"; }

}

[meskyanichi]

Dude, you just reminded me how ugly PHP syntax is. Please stop it.

[JamesHardingVideos]

var ruby = "sucks";

Seems to work well enough :-)

[liquidthex]

Ruby sucks. .NET is worse but that doesn't make Ruby good.

[TheRealFallenDemon]

I've actually heard the best way to learn rails is to not know any Ruby.

[Lilinye]

You can learn reals without learning ruby, because Rails is a DSL written in Ruby: it is its own language.

However, to get the most out of rails you need to understand Ruby.

[tejedaAlex]

hahaha, var a = 5 hahaha, i'm not fan of a particular languaje, but dynamic typing r0xz! better, simplier, faster.

[musashikyo]

cant agree with you more Byte.

Dynamic typing is for losers I think Ruby would definatly amaze all the Java and VB fans.

[ByteSmasher]

Static typing is clearly superior. Ruby = lose.

[Lilinye]

Clearly?

Then why is it Java or C# could not produce anything as slick as Rails?

You can make a rails-like framework in Java, but it will be cludgy and clunky.

The dynamic features of ruby makes it possible to have model classes that don't need to know the methods to access table columns before hand. They can be created at runtime. The metaprogramming and DSL features of Ruby puts it miles ahead of anything unless it is named smalltalk, lisp or python.

[ThinkLearnSolve]

@Lilinye because it would handle 1 request per hour

[elluca123]

oh, shit! you geeky nerds cant even laugh about such a funny commercial... i feel truely sorry for you.

[fanClassicRock]

hahahah the ruby guy actually looked pissed!! lmao C sharp had all the fun lol

what an antithesis of the original add.

[bobdoer]

C# uses type inference, not dynamic typing. What are you ruby fuckers smoking?

[tropicallanterns]

@bobdoer umm, should I ask what 'you're' smoking? of course c# 2010 uses dynamic types--are you trying to say that, var i = 3; wouldn't work?

[mcintyre321]

@tropicallanterns that would be type inference. if you want dynamic types you'd write dynamic i = 3;

[tropicallanterns]

@mcintyre321 touché, you are right, I just verified the comparison of dynamic and var. However, bobdoer was being rude and said that dynamic typing didn't exist in C#. Thanks for the response. I'm wanting to learn to develop Silverlight Apps one day (I mostly program in AS3 today), so hopefully I will become more knowledgeable of C# one day.

[mcintyre321]

@tropicallanterns even worse, he was right at the time! the dynamic keyword didn't come in until .net 4 (2010). he was however also being a bit rude, i'll grant you that!

[kurrator1]

@tropicallanterns LOL. I wouldt touch Silverlight if i were you. Silverlight requires expensive server license to host it.

[kickassdj]

@bobdoer and for what type inference for?

[sevki]

@bobdoer skeet owned them ruby fuckers

[q8sauod]

@bobdoer dude .. ruby programmers have nothing to do with it .. ask the video makers -.-

[Iam4balance]

@bobdoer Actually They Do Have Implementation For Dynamic Typing. As Of 3.0, Although Admittedly It Sucks. Ive Used It Once Or Twice. Compare To The Languages Built For Dynamic Type Casting It Is Sluggish And Pretty Much Worthless, But It Does Exist

[stanmarshk]

@bobdoer to bad csharp sux

[alfredogangsta]

A better example of dynamic typing would be how a static type program chokes on a var that's an unexpected type.

Actually, PHP is more flexible than Ruby...

but since when is that considered a language feature? Static typing is fine, it's like database constraints. It required you to pay more attention and can show flaws that a dynamically typed language might let pass.

Ruby's duck typing and coercion is probably the best, it's a bit more explicit than PHP but still flexible.

[bk12bk]

"var" ?? Dynamic typing? Does he even know what hez talkin about?

For some standard reference,

here i quote, Herb Sutter himself saying that on his blog,

var sb = new StringBuilder(256);

var e = new UTF8Encoding();

var md5 = new MD5CryptoServiceProvider();

It's not dynamic typing, per se; C# is still very much a statically typed language. It's more of a compiler trick, a baby step toward a world of Static Typing Where Possible, and Dynamic Typing When Needed.

[sirpentedo]

this is great

[mohimohi1983]

This video reminded me of IE 7 tab browsing feature. when you press ctr+t in IE7 it opens a new tab and says welcome to tab browsing. It's like IE is the first application that introduced tab browsing lol

[benwholl]

IntelliSense > Ruby

[kalalit]

omg these commercials are just too funny!

[amyw423]

... all your rubies and gems! LOL, I love it!

[flyboy5500]

lol funny

[saites2001]

Regardless of what it says/who's right, it's not very funny.

[Fushinbi]

this is funny as! more please!

seriously wats with all the negativity?

[ExtraSalad]

OK! Seriously - ENJOY THE VIDEO. These guys are hilarious.

Who cares what language does what, I thought the initial mind frame was - I have an objective and I would like to achieve it.

Does it matter what stepping stone is used?

[smgoguen]

Doing a dumb Mac vs. PC series of commercials for ROR seems very fitting.

FYI, Type inferencing != dynamic typing.

Hint: Type inferencing is still static typing. ;)

[crapman9876]

Real programmers try many languages and select the most appropriate "tool" for the application.

Weenie programmers learn jAVA or potNet in school and then whine at all other alternatives.

I just rewrote a application whose purpose was post processing of text files and someone wrote it in Java LOL! It was 50 source code files. I rewrote it in Perl (the proper language for the task) and it came out to 5 files (and no they were not huge obfuscated files, weenies).

[mrynit]

and whats so bad about java?

[jansquared]

the M$ guy is funny

[gerbenrampaart2]

This is stupid. MS hardly mentioned dynamic typing. It's an incredibly minor new feature of visual studio 2008. They never claimed they were 'new' with it.

[TheBlokeDude]

ya, I'm sticking to MS...

[Hellnari]

lol was great

[gamccoy]

Dynamic typing is a good way to introduce bugs that the compiler cannot help you catch. Just because it's a new feature does not mean you guys should rush to use it.

[goomba000]

The mediocrity of this is overwhelming. This just convinced me never to use ruby on rails even for a home project.

[greenManilishi]

What's so great about dynamic typing? Does it not tend to make you to introduce subtle, hard-to-spot bugs into your code. That's one thing I like about java - it encourages good coding practices.

[arturaz]

Hard typing doesn't make code with less errors. All it makes are a lot of abstraction layers.

Bug-free code should be written by writing tests. Ever wondered why JUnit was born?

[nebel82]

Lads, stop hating MS

If it wasn't for MS we wouldn't have all those jokes.

[korayem]

The old M$ is evil trick...nothing new and NOT FUNNY AT ALL

[herbalbath]

LOL gonna go get ma gems

[cyberprunes]

so sick of the Mac v PC commercial rips. Enough already.. make it stop. Why is the guy representing the "superior" product always the less likeable dooosh bag in these commercials. Smug and pretentious are not desirable qualities.

[patio87]

Yes because Mac and ROR are superior to Microsoft......../sarcasm

[stevesnz]

this series of ads may have been good if they hadn't got such a friggin weiner to be the ruby guy

[fox220]

agreed

[crosebelle]

Very funny. Kudos to you all

[TeleTio]

Those who "hate on" microsoft are just mad because their programming and language products are more popular... jeje! Go Microsoft!

[lispified]

actually AFAIK what C# 3.0 has is type inference. the type information is still determined and checked at compile time, there's just less superfluous type information present.

this is what languages like ML have had for the last 30 years. mainstream languages give static typing a bad name.

[cyberprunes]

you are right, its type inference not dynamic typing. It's funny how they don't mention the actual dynamic feature, the DLR. oh wait.. because it hosts all kinds of "dynamic languages" Ruby, python,vb,javscript etc.

Microsoft has good stuff and shit. .NET is the good stuff. RoR is bitchin though.

[diegoev]

lol microsoft sucks

[cbmeeks]

Not bad actually.