some Indonesians would use any reason to go to Oz, Europe or US, coz we want to see and working at that countries...I wish I have the same reason as them to get a job in Oz.
Not a chance, regardless of whether you think it's crap or not. They've all been granted permanent residency. This was the only correct, sane and humane decision, and the Australian Government and Immigration Department made it.
There's an Indonesian proverb that goes for Australia, "You see an ant across the ocean, but you don't see the elephant in front of you." Irian Jaya does not have the 'stolen generations' nor tiny reserves. And I would cry if the Dutch were still colonizing Indonesia, ruling in my own land.
The problem is that the world is turning a blind eye upon the infliction of human right abuses, suffered by West Papuans. If Australia and the world do care about curbing these injustices, they would have intervened accordingly. The question at issue is that if West Papua merely has oil like in the middle east, I wonder whether the hypocritical Western nations would intervene. Obviously, YES!
the Aboriginese killer, is now become the freedomer, how funny is that? truly Australia is the Furthest Asian neighbour but the nearest European neighbour, since their have the European hypocracy
From the documentaries I've seen and articles I've read. Papuans, Australian Aboriginals and other Melanesians are related to each other more than to others as descendents of group(s) of people that migrated to Greater Australia 50,000 yrs ago. According to these sources also, all races on earth (including black Africans) are more closely related to each other than to Papuans and Aboriginals.
Very true. but where could they have migrated from 50,000 yrs ago ? is it not possible that they might have come from the continent of africa 50,000 yrs ago considering that the real aboriginal people of the area have pure afro hairs and african skin.. dark or not dark ( all africans aint dark skinned ) ? if they could move from australia to as far as tuvulu and tonga they could also move from africa to those areas by the same method. Thank God for youtube.
Again from those same articles I read, the scientists suggested that the aboriginals left Africa not so long before they got to Australia and Papua. I would also think that the Melanesians in Tuvalu and Tonga to have also come from the same origin. And I also think that the reason why the Aboriginals have a black colored skin is because their ancestors never left the tropical region, whereas the ancestors of Asians, Whites, Arabs and Native Americans had spent much time in the cold regions.
I agree. but many aboriginals especially those from Papua would not agree to what you just posted. The aboriginal look is not just similar with africans in skin color alone but in every other aspect too.
@Killayut no australian aboriginese look nothing like africans yeah they are beautiful ppl but if u ever put them beside eachother u will notice an big difference i am african i know when i see a african and its not Australian aborigines first they got straight wavy hair they have a longer lip nose line, they have a larger brow ridge they llok more indian to me not african far far from us their the farthest genetically related to us
@besmart78 And what is the typical African look ? Is it the Bantu with thick lips and broad nose that you know or the Nilotic people that look black Indians being the Tutsis, Somalians, Ethiopians and Aboriginal Egyptians. Or the Fulanis of Nigeria and other West African countries or the Tuaregs who look Arabic. What about the Xhosa and the bushmen of south Africa ? Mennn Those people look African.
@Killayut hey i am a fulani person of Ghana too nice to meet you and no my experience in Africa... no there's not an exact african look but the only thing they can pin point us on is hmmmm actually nothing so your probably right also asians also poses the broad nose to sometimes not just africans so were very diverse ppl but i can say that us blacks are absent of the large brow ridge freee west papua :)))))))
Australia likes very much to intervene in Timor Leste and Irian Jaya with its money because afraid of unbased-feeling from Indonesia dignity.We let Timor Leste free because historically not belonged to Indonesia but never for Irian Jaya.Baka da na Osutoraria!Fukaku hansei shiro!!
Look at a world map and you'll find the answer to your first question. The West can be part of the problem if it doesn't stand up to the injustices going on in other (and especially neighbouring) parts of the world.
Then you only need to open your heart of what Papuan really needs. This war only suffers us. It's benefiting a people like you, not us. If you want the power or money, you can have it. In your country, of course. But, you can bettering the aborigine life and the other Papuan friends who live in Australia. Give love for them. And let us develop ourselves also.
Granted? Yeah right, that's what the Australian claimed. It started with a British colony for a gold rush. They GENOCIDE the aborigine, with what they called "stolen generation" for 70 years. Removing the child from their mother. I am Papuan myself & luckily enough not to be aborigine. Indonesian government never took me away from my mother. During Suharto's era, not only Papuan suffered from its corrupt government. But started on 1998, we've change. I feel it too. Here in Papua
It's a little late for that. Granted, 1788 wasn't the most enlightened of times but native title and other initiatives have been put in place in recent years. I'm sure it will go further. As it stands in Papua in 2007, the Indonesians have no regard WHATSOEVER for the native people there and, it seems, would prefer them to be wiped out. We are talking about two vastly different scenarios. And... two wrongs don't make a right.
Australian doesn't treat the Aborigin as what they deserved either. If they wanted to be fare, they should get out of there and let the aborigin governs the country.
Joetrance, we are brother then. I am not hated you, I hate the war. It's only suffering us, benefiting the Australian. After we both die, they will come and take all of our resources to their country. British came to the Australia for its gold, not to develop the aborogine. Please see this clearly, how this small conversation provokes brother like us.
well joetrance DAI u're anoying me! but anyway i'm from the same island like u and yuzran, and i think we have to work togather as a family!! is that right???
Folks stop arguing. These people are black people and so would for ever be like every black nation on earth. Low lives period.
Killayut 1 year ago
@Killayut ofcourse there black how would they be white or yellow?
besmart78 1 year ago
THEY LOOK LIKE AFRICANS
besmart78 1 year ago
some Indonesians would use any reason to go to Oz, Europe or US, coz we want to see and working at that countries...I wish I have the same reason as them to get a job in Oz.
nugix94 1 year ago
It's good if they live in Australia, to get more money. And then come back to Papua after have much money. Hahaha....
Sy sejak lama suka ama Pak Hasan Wirayudha. Moga2 kelak bisa jadi President. He he he....
dedyaaa 2 years ago
why welcome afghans, muslim, pakistanis in australia and not west papuans? we should welcome papuans
genuietube 2 years ago
I think these peoples should be send back to Pupuan...enough of this crap!
rufina41 2 years ago
Not a chance, regardless of whether you think it's crap or not. They've all been granted permanent residency. This was the only correct, sane and humane decision, and the Australian Government and Immigration Department made it.
auspete 2 years ago
There's an Indonesian proverb that goes for Australia, "You see an ant across the ocean, but you don't see the elephant in front of you." Irian Jaya does not have the 'stolen generations' nor tiny reserves. And I would cry if the Dutch were still colonizing Indonesia, ruling in my own land.
senantiasa 3 years ago
The problem is that the world is turning a blind eye upon the infliction of human right abuses, suffered by West Papuans. If Australia and the world do care about curbing these injustices, they would have intervened accordingly. The question at issue is that if West Papua merely has oil like in the middle east, I wonder whether the hypocritical Western nations would intervene. Obviously, YES!
manhogharbour 3 years ago
the Aboriginese killer, is now become the freedomer, how funny is that? truly Australia is the Furthest Asian neighbour but the nearest European neighbour, since their have the European hypocracy
Maumeroz 3 years ago
ausie want to make papua as second aborigin
as2111 3 years ago
We don't want West Papua become 2nd East Timor.
We support for human right but we don't support for separatism!
Australia do not support for separatism!
javajazz80 4 years ago
I think this people just need better life....we call them betrayer!
Australia DON'T MESS with Indonesia!
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markusry 4 years ago
Where do the black people come from? are papuans black people ??
Killayut 4 years ago
An idiot would give this guy a thumb down.
From the documentaries I've seen and articles I've read. Papuans, Australian Aboriginals and other Melanesians are related to each other more than to others as descendents of group(s) of people that migrated to Greater Australia 50,000 yrs ago. According to these sources also, all races on earth (including black Africans) are more closely related to each other than to Papuans and Aboriginals.
senantiasa 3 years ago
Very true. but where could they have migrated from 50,000 yrs ago ? is it not possible that they might have come from the continent of africa 50,000 yrs ago considering that the real aboriginal people of the area have pure afro hairs and african skin.. dark or not dark ( all africans aint dark skinned ) ? if they could move from australia to as far as tuvulu and tonga they could also move from africa to those areas by the same method. Thank God for youtube.
Killayut 3 years ago
Again from those same articles I read, the scientists suggested that the aboriginals left Africa not so long before they got to Australia and Papua. I would also think that the Melanesians in Tuvalu and Tonga to have also come from the same origin. And I also think that the reason why the Aboriginals have a black colored skin is because their ancestors never left the tropical region, whereas the ancestors of Asians, Whites, Arabs and Native Americans had spent much time in the cold regions.
senantiasa 2 years ago
I agree. but many aboriginals especially those from Papua would not agree to what you just posted. The aboriginal look is not just similar with africans in skin color alone but in every other aspect too.
Killayut 2 years ago
@Killayut no australian aboriginese look nothing like africans yeah they are beautiful ppl but if u ever put them beside eachother u will notice an big difference i am african i know when i see a african and its not Australian aborigines first they got straight wavy hair they have a longer lip nose line, they have a larger brow ridge they llok more indian to me not african far far from us their the farthest genetically related to us
besmart78 1 year ago
@besmart78 And what is the typical African look ? Is it the Bantu with thick lips and broad nose that you know or the Nilotic people that look black Indians being the Tutsis, Somalians, Ethiopians and Aboriginal Egyptians. Or the Fulanis of Nigeria and other West African countries or the Tuaregs who look Arabic. What about the Xhosa and the bushmen of south Africa ? Mennn Those people look African.
Killayut 1 year ago
@Killayut hey i am a fulani person of Ghana too nice to meet you and no my experience in Africa... no there's not an exact african look but the only thing they can pin point us on is hmmmm actually nothing so your probably right also asians also poses the broad nose to sometimes not just africans so were very diverse ppl but i can say that us blacks are absent of the large brow ridge freee west papua :)))))))
besmart78 1 year ago
@senantiasa only the Papuans and melanesians look african well some aboriginals no not really unless they lose the large brow ridge then totally
besmart78 1 year ago
Australia likes very much to intervene in Timor Leste and Irian Jaya with its money because afraid of unbased-feeling from Indonesia dignity.We let Timor Leste free because historically not belonged to Indonesia but never for Irian Jaya.Baka da na Osutoraria!Fukaku hansei shiro!!
sinar903621 4 years ago
why go to australia not timor leste or papua new guinea
what happen with aussie supporting OPM..
conspiracy?
economy reason?
you had this answer already
prompting 4 years ago
hehehhehe
lautbajak 4 years ago
Why didn't the refugees go to China or India?? Why do "refugees" and "the West" go hand-in-hand?
missjosephine1 4 years ago
Look at a world map and you'll find the answer to your first question. The West can be part of the problem if it doesn't stand up to the injustices going on in other (and especially neighbouring) parts of the world.
auspete 4 years ago
@missjosephine1 Missjosephine I just wonder and yet they argue when you say the westerners are superior.
Killayut 1 year ago
fuck indonesia, we should bomb them out of the fucking ocean, all we do is give them fucking money.
aussieexarmy 4 years ago
We might as well fuck PNG while we at it.
MrNicholsonKeith01 2 years ago
It wouldn't hurt to shut the kiwis out of our market
MrNicholsonKeith01 2 years ago
We dont have to listen to Indonesian Propaganda tellers we should listen to the will of the Papuans who want the best for their land.
Because all Indonesian Propaganda Tellers just want Papua to stay indonesian because it has so many to offer for the world.
Nelsun5 4 years ago
joetrance can you just not use any kind of badwords please!!
i insist you to not use that word!
ok!
God Bless Papua
edmundfonataba 5 years ago
Then you only need to open your heart of what Papuan really needs. This war only suffers us. It's benefiting a people like you, not us. If you want the power or money, you can have it. In your country, of course. But, you can bettering the aborigine life and the other Papuan friends who live in Australia. Give love for them. And let us develop ourselves also.
YuzranKarubaba 5 years ago
It's hard to believe you could be anything but part of a minority if you are an indigenous Papuan who feels safe under Indonesian government.
auspete 5 years ago
Granted? Yeah right, that's what the Australian claimed. It started with a British colony for a gold rush. They GENOCIDE the aborigine, with what they called "stolen generation" for 70 years. Removing the child from their mother. I am Papuan myself & luckily enough not to be aborigine. Indonesian government never took me away from my mother. During Suharto's era, not only Papuan suffered from its corrupt government. But started on 1998, we've change. I feel it too. Here in Papua
YuzranKarubaba 5 years ago
well yeah cocksucker
joetrance 5 years ago
It's a little late for that. Granted, 1788 wasn't the most enlightened of times but native title and other initiatives have been put in place in recent years. I'm sure it will go further. As it stands in Papua in 2007, the Indonesians have no regard WHATSOEVER for the native people there and, it seems, would prefer them to be wiped out. We are talking about two vastly different scenarios. And... two wrongs don't make a right.
auspete 5 years ago
Australian doesn't treat the Aborigin as what they deserved either. If they wanted to be fare, they should get out of there and let the aborigin governs the country.
YuzranKarubaba 5 years ago
u just jealous with them and what happened, it's a normal behavior of ppl like u DAI!!!
i live in same society like u so i know!!
but i'm not jealous either i'm not a betrayer!
well u just a cocksucker, that let ur tab paid by the indonesian government and betray your own people!
well once again cocksucker u suck the indonesian dirty dick!!!
anyway im one of your family relative!!!
joetrance 5 years ago
Joetrance, we are brother then. I am not hated you, I hate the war. It's only suffering us, benefiting the Australian. After we both die, they will come and take all of our resources to their country. British came to the Australia for its gold, not to develop the aborogine. Please see this clearly, how this small conversation provokes brother like us.
YuzranKarubaba 5 years ago
well joetrance DAI u're anoying me! but anyway i'm from the same island like u and yuzran, and i think we have to work togather as a family!! is that right???
well it makes sense though!!
i love u as my family!!
Jesus LOve and Love Papua!!
edmundfonataba 5 years ago
i think if u guyz wants to work as a fag couple it could be nice!!! dont forget to buy many fucking condoms to protect ur assholes!!!
joetrance 4 years ago