Multiple Larva injects is a fucking great idea but you'd have to increase the cost of injecting to 50 energy. To do that, you'd have to be able to stack chrono boost as well.
Another idea is just to have a calldown mule button that has a cooldown equivalent to the time it takes to get 50 energy. Or simply just increase the energy cost to 75.
Destiny is talking about equivalent meaning all 3 races should have something similar while Kyle is talking about them being different haveing different power. Both of them are right in there own way, there just on different subjects.
Terrans not OP the only reason thors are good against air is because vikings are slow as crap and the worst air air unit in the game battlecruisers are only good against a light armor ball.
well...even destiny has said before that mules dont create minerals. if terran falls behind on mules, then he loses his mineral advantage - he dosent get them as fast, meaning he doesnt have the money that he needs for everything he wants. Toss can chrono workers, and zerg can make them quicker.Also, terran needs energy for scans, their only detection besides ravens. Just my plat league opinion :p.
@snerd8 if a terran forgets a mule, he calls down two and gets the same amount that he would of if he hadn't forgotten and also terran have 3 ways of detecting, turrets, ravens and scans while the other races only have 2
Mules need cooldown just like larvae, my queen always ends up having a bunch of energy unspent and I can't use it. But with mules, I can easily just call down four or five mules if I have enough energy. I think cooldown would help
im hardcore toss myself, i think zerg and protoss are pretty balanced and everything Destiny said is like 100% on the nose. Teir 3 on terran is way more OP then toss or zerg, zerg and toss units have units that can hit ground or air and not the other. Terran's teir 3 units can hit both with so much damage, plus the dps of pure stim'd marines is just F***ed up insane!
@RevolutionIncorp I guess. But all of that stuff isn't "Out of the tech path" either. And infestors like the ones i've seen Destiny use have done an insane amount of damage.
@TheHelghastHunter Yeah buy destiny is talking about how cheap it is, if you lose a medivac with a few marines its not as big of a deal as losing an overlord with 4 bros in it.
Overlord = 100 mins
Speed = 100 mins 100 gas
ventral = 200 mins 200 gas
bros x4 = 400 mins 600 gas total 800 mins 900 gas
@RevolutionIncorp True, but you also have to remember that spending 100 minerals on an overlord you don't really have to do because by the time you have infestors, you already have several, when you get speed and ventral EVERY overlord gets it, so its a pretty solid upgrade to get (Though I dont play zerg, so IDK how effective it REALLY is, though I bet some nasty strats can be made from that) And with full energy "bros" you could summon.... 32 infested terrans, right? That's DEADLY right there.
i think overall the races are pretty balanced but i gotta agree with the mules. They just rake in minerals wayy too fast and able to get mules continuously because of the time is pure bs. i think they really should raise the mana cost for mules
Nydus can be killed before it even spawns and CANNOT be cancelled if it's being attacked which means 100min 100gas gone for free.
Warp Tech requires getting a warp prism which has a VERY small radius to warp in units within. Then to recall you are required to get a Mothership which is THE most high tech unit in the protoss army. Recall costs a ton of energy that the mothership doesn't even spawn with(which a ghost can just EMP away).
Terran can just keep dropping 8 marines at expos.
what destiny is saying is absolutely true, terran does not have severe enough consequences. Too often do i harass a terrans mineral line, kill like 15 workers or so, and then all they do is just drop mules and continue building units at the same rate as if nothing even happened
The mule argument is invalid... Although you can't stack chronoboost, you can save up energy to use later (ie. warpgate tech). The queens can't consecutively inject twice into one hatchery but you can inject into multiple hatcheries with the same queen, just like how you can chrono multiple buildings. Terran calls down mules on multiple mineral patches. You can't stack injects on a hatch, you can't stack chrono on a building, and you can't stack mules on a mineral patch.
@igotchopstix thats not an equal comparison. If your argument against zerg is that zerg can have multiple hatcheries to inject with, thats retarded. You can say the same thing for terran. They can have multiple orbitals to drop multiple mules at different bases
@igotchopstix Actually... Mules stack over each other and over SCV's. They can mine any mineral patch regardless if there is something mining there or not. Don't think I'm right, go make a custom game against a computer and make 50 orbital commands and then fly a cc to an expo and drop all the Mules. Voila!!! The expo is mined out in about 10sec flat and you now have 20,000 minerals. Tell me that that isn't imba....
Terran is not OP, it is just far easier than any other race. Destiny's argument suggests this exactly. If Terran is as OP as some of these retarded comments suggest then we would see a lot more TvTs in pro tournaments. Destiny seems to be arguing that Terran needs to be made more difficult by forcing Terran players to pay more for their mistakes (Forgetting to drop MULES, failing drops, etc).
to me....it just seems like being able to chrono boost a building with multiple chronos to increase the percentage would be way op. "oh no i forgot to get colossus" *ques up 3 colossus* *selects 4 nexi all with full energy, spam 16 chrono on it* "oh boy my colossus are pumping out at 800% faster than normal!"
@981407036x umm yea they are a little different..... mules = faster mining intake, way more minerals to spend on anything you want...... Larva injects = more units to build at a time (same as you said)..... chrono boost = faster anything, whether is upgrades, units, warpgates to reset faster.... so they DO all have different purposes and have weaknesses/strengths... (im just gonna assume you were sarcastically saying they were different because otherwise you are WRONG)
@981407036x They are vastly different though, look at it more broadly Orbital Commands can 1. Scan 2. Mule 3. Supply drop Queens can 1. Inject 2. Spread Creep 3. Attack Chrono can be used for 1.Probes 2.Units 3.Upgrades Chrono can not be used to directly scout Mules cannot be used to defend air Queens cannot make upgrades faster Even in terms of "macro mechanics" its more like Mules=More money Inject=More production Chrono= Faster Production
@981407036x chronoboost can give you faster upgrades = better units. but of course it has to result into more (or better) units at some point, because you need units to win the game. what else do you want to result macro into in the end except units?!
Kyle, Kyle, he either doesn't listen, doesn't think, doesn't comprehend, doesn't have a functional brain or doesn't play. All his points basically are suggesting no balacing is needed in this game.
I think the difference between Destiny's argument and Kyle's argument is: Destiny is giving perfect realistic examples, hes making points, and he has evidence to back it. Kyle just sits there and says "your being irrational" or "you can't just list a bunch of stuff". More and more it just sounds like Kyle wants to disagree, but his points are so weak he can't argue them. Kyle is just trying to discredit everything he says by attacking his argument rather than making his own counter argument.
Destiny's problem is that he doesn't know how to beat terrans, therefore he bitches. If he couldn't beat Protoss, he'd bitch. If he couldn't beat other Zerg, he'd bitch. He's a good player, but his bitching drives me nuts.
@TnTZerg He's wrong, in the sense that the races are so completely different, so one thing gives you an advantage in one aspect and another will be greater for something else. There are so many asymmetric balances that exist in the game and this argument doesn't touch upon how certain things affect other areas of your macro.
@Viclente No, you are wrong. The races are different but they share common grounds like what Destiny points out (e.g. need base and worker to mine, etc).
The list of "different / different / better" actually worth pondering, especially the punishing mechanism of the game is somewhat problematic.
Yes, there are many "asymmetric balances" but still to better the gameplay, the designers should tweak things out so that general gameplay improves and make it more skill level relavant.
Yes Terran is a noob friendly race and helps newbies get started playing sc2 the problem is when you have these people that are great at this game and play Terran they can abuse the freedom that helps new players get started. If Blizzard could maybe change something to where it is just not as easy for good players to abuse the perks of Terran the game would come out at least slightly more balanced. But what do you change is the problem. Personally, for an rts, I think this game is nicely balance
@Monerasauce Terran got the best harras unit and they are cheap and easy to use, and if u have a problem using them spam mules so that you will have 100% extra inc.
Terran is a noob freindly race, and there are so many things that favors noobs in terran
@MrNinjanaut Yes but since most Terran players were retarded eough to go Super-Alien<Killder-Bugs<Humans... they need SOME SORT OF HELP not to just constantly die to us Aliens and Bugzz.
@MrNinjanaut So idiotic rofl...... Supply drops and scans cost 270 minerals and mules are what keep terran up to par against protoss who can chrono boost probes and zerg who can make 6 drones at the time it takes to make 1 scv
@MrNinjanaut yeah, those are some of terrans strengths, other classes got strengths too, zerg dont need a bunch of buildings for massing units and have creep to restore life and speed up units, protoss can wrap in units anywhere with a pylon or wrap prism and each unit and building has upgradable regenerating shields
Kyle isn't even countering his points, he's just saying "They're supposed to be different." So if blizzard gave Zerg a unit that automatically wins the game as soon as it builds, that's fine cos it's different.
Kyle has no idea how to argue/debate. Destiny already won when Kyle started making personal attacks instead of attacking Destiny's facts. He just repeated the same thing over and over again, that was so fucking frustrating...
@penguinsonsteroids nononono scans can have everything to do with aggressions a scan can give a terran an idea whether they want to move out or not... as a zerg playing scouting is THE most important skill you need in a game... A protoss can build a 200/200 army without any scouting and still roll a zerg army, Terrans need a bit more scouting because they without proper control can be decimated by blings whilst if a zerg goes in with out scouting and does a ling-roach army ....
Destiny also look at the lore and races backround rockets splash, Battlecruisers are mobile capitol ships, and why woudnt they have triple A on a major ground unit like a mobile artillery like a thor. So how would you balance that make terrans retarded and not use weapons that survive.
@Wickedsicked8 Have you ever seen a MK 2 Hellfire missile or a SAM Hunter killer missle, even an rpg there is always gonna be some splash when an explsion occurs unless your out of the Killzone which is usually 20-30 feet. Now idk but when i see Mutas they usually fly in packs and when some type of missile hits those packs there is gonna be splash damage from both the initial explosion and the heat generated, not to mention the shockwave that penetrates the body causing organs to rupture.
@kinkarcana1293 i have and its irrelevant to sc2 look at concussive shells no splash there or the normal siege tank firing mode its causing balancing issues therefore splash should be removed starcraft isnt realistic
@Wickedsicked8 were not talking about siege tanks and that isnt what Destiny is talking about, look Destiny is my favorite SC 2 player and Kyle is a retard and I know there are balancing issues, but weapons and lore are relevant. What just b/c its not balanced we should change how a rocket actually works and how a warhead fucntions. There is gonna be an explosion, and that explosion is gonna have a Killzone. Also blizzard got it wrong concussion grenades also have a radial explosion of 20meter
@Wickedsicked8 How i know this, I was training to go to the West Point academy and also have played Starcraft since Brood War there is nothing wrong with how the weaponary functions but i can agree that it should cost more such as hellions costing gas b/c they use gas within the High Yield Flamers that they use which function similarly to those used on Shermans in WW2
@kinkarcana1293 :/ i never asked how u kno nor do i care its irrelevant to an sc2 balance discussion hellions should cost gas bcuz there a mobile aoe unit and are incredibly effective vs light units much like banelings yet banelings are less effective and cost more
is he really crying about thors and battlecruisers...
druidy2 4 hours ago
In Broodwar the game was balanced.
All 3 races had similar abilities.
ex: Science vessels, defilers (with plague), and high templars with storm.
Each race had a good air unit and a good ground unit late game.
hassle4me2 2 days ago
I want to hit Kyle with my keyboard.
kelb53 2 days ago
Multiple Larva injects is a fucking great idea but you'd have to increase the cost of injecting to 50 energy. To do that, you'd have to be able to stack chrono boost as well.
Another idea is just to have a calldown mule button that has a cooldown equivalent to the time it takes to get 50 energy. Or simply just increase the energy cost to 75.
roadjam 4 days ago
Destiny is talking about equivalent meaning all 3 races should have something similar while Kyle is talking about them being different haveing different power. Both of them are right in there own way, there just on different subjects.
qLingzhi 4 days ago 2
I was so fucking frustrated at kyle this entire thing holy fuck.
Kyronixx 5 days ago
"wutt"
CheckMyDubstep 5 days ago
Kyle is fucking stupid
FrostyAbyss1 1 week ago
Terrans not OP the only reason thors are good against air is because vikings are slow as crap and the worst air air unit in the game battlecruisers are only good against a light armor ball.
hollowryder 1 week ago
i agree with kyle
GregRosss 1 week ago
kyle is fkin retarted
Ravemashx 2 weeks ago
well...even destiny has said before that mules dont create minerals. if terran falls behind on mules, then he loses his mineral advantage - he dosent get them as fast, meaning he doesnt have the money that he needs for everything he wants. Toss can chrono workers, and zerg can make them quicker.Also, terran needs energy for scans, their only detection besides ravens. Just my plat league opinion :p.
snerd8 2 weeks ago
@snerd8 if a terran forgets a mule, he calls down two and gets the same amount that he would of if he hadn't forgotten and also terran have 3 ways of detecting, turrets, ravens and scans while the other races only have 2
dragonsayswoof 2 weeks ago
@snerd8 'their only detection besides ravens'. think about this. how many detection units do protoss and zerg have?
theSMITH1233 1 week ago
@theSMITH1233 yeah, thats true. yeah, i think that mules are imba, i just dont think that they are as bad as destiny makes them out to be.
snerd8 1 week ago
who is kyle? i have heard of his voice before..not sure where...husky or sc2dude or i dont remember...but i have heard of his voice before.
Myoldnamesdontwork 2 weeks ago
WE ARE ALL RACIST! Terrans are better! NO Zergs are better!! NO!! Protoss are better!! NOOOOO BLACK people are better! okay lets nerf black people...
Myoldnamesdontwork 2 weeks ago
I didn't understand anything, but i found it very entertaining. xD
CrissyNewYork 2 weeks ago
you can't find an equivalent to every unit in the game.. you have to look at the big picture
bboysil 2 weeks ago
They both made some good points.
70chaoswalking07 2 weeks ago
Destiny is talking to a brick wall, what a ignorant fuck kyle is.
illlTubeYou 2 weeks ago
Mules need cooldown just like larvae, my queen always ends up having a bunch of energy unspent and I can't use it. But with mules, I can easily just call down four or five mules if I have enough energy. I think cooldown would help
nevadie133 3 weeks ago
9:44 summon up this vid.
Mammasia 3 weeks ago
Chrono boost doesn't have a cooldown...
quicksliversbutt 3 weeks ago
@quicksliversbutt
but you cant stack chronoboost
SmashBrosBrawl 3 weeks ago 5
back to the question should I play terran? :D god he killed it :D
greencz 3 weeks ago
LOL "Back to the question at hand i should play terran?" thats how this all started???
fearfrozen75 4 weeks ago
i agree with destiny but kyle just makes this video so funny XD
fearfrozen75 4 weeks ago
TERRAN = OP
Defilement1337 4 weeks ago
Kyle has no arguments because he knows Destiny is right lol Kyle is such a dumb shit
SegundusJr 4 weeks ago
As a protoss/zerg player I find nothing wrong with terrans. they are quite easy to beat imo
HonestlyProtoss 4 weeks ago
im hardcore toss myself, i think zerg and protoss are pretty balanced and everything Destiny said is like 100% on the nose. Teir 3 on terran is way more OP then toss or zerg, zerg and toss units have units that can hit ground or air and not the other. Terran's teir 3 units can hit both with so much damage, plus the dps of pure stim'd marines is just F***ed up insane!
coolmart13 1 month ago
Destiny said that Zerg cant destroy something with just 4 units... Didn't he invent the brofestor squad? 0_0
TheHelghastHunter 1 month ago
@TheHelghastHunter whats needed for a 4BHS Ol speed, OL carry, 4 festors thats alot more than 500 100
RevolutionIncorp 1 month ago
@RevolutionIncorp I guess. But all of that stuff isn't "Out of the tech path" either. And infestors like the ones i've seen Destiny use have done an insane amount of damage.
TheHelghastHunter 1 month ago
@TheHelghastHunter Yeah buy destiny is talking about how cheap it is, if you lose a medivac with a few marines its not as big of a deal as losing an overlord with 4 bros in it.
Overlord = 100 mins
Speed = 100 mins 100 gas
ventral = 200 mins 200 gas
bros x4 = 400 mins 600 gas total 800 mins 900 gas
RevolutionIncorp 1 month ago
@RevolutionIncorp True, but you also have to remember that spending 100 minerals on an overlord you don't really have to do because by the time you have infestors, you already have several, when you get speed and ventral EVERY overlord gets it, so its a pretty solid upgrade to get (Though I dont play zerg, so IDK how effective it REALLY is, though I bet some nasty strats can be made from that) And with full energy "bros" you could summon.... 32 infested terrans, right? That's DEADLY right there.
TheHelghastHunter 4 weeks ago
Kyle has 0 logic. He just made like 10 logical fallacies in this video that are easily noticeable.
4wsome0 1 month ago
lol I love that little comment at the end. xD
NightSta1ker 1 month ago
i agree all the way with destiny. I play zerg and faced a terran player, i killed him army 3 times, and he still fucking won...
BlueEyedSon101 1 month ago
Kyle is an idiot.. he needs to learn to argue better...
omgitzmezor 1 month ago
Broodlords countered by thors?? Really?
pianopro9 1 month ago
lol the guy at the end
XxKeybladeMasterxX 1 month ago
Destiny, you have a better argument, but you need to stop interrupting Kyle so frequently. Christ.
Duopierce 1 month ago
kyle what the fuck?
Ashwykes 1 month ago
i think overall the races are pretty balanced but i gotta agree with the mules. They just rake in minerals wayy too fast and able to get mules continuously because of the time is pure bs. i think they really should raise the mana cost for mules
bdgnice 1 month ago
Terran has no melee units either :P cept for the SCVs but they don't count Lol
heheitsjohnE 1 month ago
o lol separate but equal
sk3tchyguy 1 month ago
kyle is right, the best thing about game is that all three races are different. You can't make equivalents and still have the same great game.
but destiny is right too, Blizzard needs to try to balance some units.
i believe HOTS will be better.
henry646 1 month ago
this kyle guy is really good at making non arguments "Destiny: why not? Kyle: why so?" lol
enter48 1 month ago
zerg nydus is instant travel across map.
protoss warp tech is almost instant travel across map 1 time and recall.
what is terran equivelant for super fast reinforcements?
tissmekyle 1 month ago
@tissmekyle
Nydus can be killed before it even spawns and CANNOT be cancelled if it's being attacked which means 100min 100gas gone for free.
Warp Tech requires getting a warp prism which has a VERY small radius to warp in units within. Then to recall you are required to get a Mothership which is THE most high tech unit in the protoss army. Recall costs a ton of energy that the mothership doesn't even spawn with(which a ghost can just EMP away).
Terran can just keep dropping 8 marines at expos.
runla2 1 month ago
@tissmekyle medivacs... u dumb lmao?
Maculations 1 month ago
@Maculations thats the equvilant to droping with warp prism or overlord not nydas or warping in
tissmekyle 1 month ago
Destiny and Kyle are like an old married couple...and I think we all know who the woman is.
tehVinyl 1 month ago
what destiny is saying is absolutely true, terran does not have severe enough consequences. Too often do i harass a terrans mineral line, kill like 15 workers or so, and then all they do is just drop mules and continue building units at the same rate as if nothing even happened
Tsmithism 1 month ago
The mule argument is invalid... Although you can't stack chronoboost, you can save up energy to use later (ie. warpgate tech). The queens can't consecutively inject twice into one hatchery but you can inject into multiple hatcheries with the same queen, just like how you can chrono multiple buildings. Terran calls down mules on multiple mineral patches. You can't stack injects on a hatch, you can't stack chrono on a building, and you can't stack mules on a mineral patch.
igotchopstix 1 month ago
@igotchopstix thats not an equal comparison. If your argument against zerg is that zerg can have multiple hatcheries to inject with, thats retarded. You can say the same thing for terran. They can have multiple orbitals to drop multiple mules at different bases
Tsmithism 1 month ago
@igotchopstix Actually... Mules stack over each other and over SCV's. They can mine any mineral patch regardless if there is something mining there or not. Don't think I'm right, go make a custom game against a computer and make 50 orbital commands and then fly a cc to an expo and drop all the Mules. Voila!!! The expo is mined out in about 10sec flat and you now have 20,000 minerals. Tell me that that isn't imba....
runla2 1 month ago
@runla2 nope only 1 mule can mine from a patch at any time
bt54565 1 month ago
@igotchopstix no but u can stack the mule on the mineral patch a few milimeters to the left... retard...
Maculations 1 month ago
steve, stop listing evidence and solutions to support ur views!
hmoobdaj 1 month ago in playlist More videos from remembertomorrow0
Terran is not OP, it is just far easier than any other race. Destiny's argument suggests this exactly. If Terran is as OP as some of these retarded comments suggest then we would see a lot more TvTs in pro tournaments. Destiny seems to be arguing that Terran needs to be made more difficult by forcing Terran players to pay more for their mistakes (Forgetting to drop MULES, failing drops, etc).
PickNrolLtf2 1 month ago
Mules should be able to shoot AoE air damage. That would balance everything because muta harass is OP.
tdasas11 1 month ago
@tdasas11 muta harass is not op. as terron put turrets or 1 thor in ur base and as toss make blink stalker or some cannons on ur bases
OfficialLetsPlayer 1 month ago
Destiny, you can't just ___________
sarsamis 1 month ago
to me....it just seems like being able to chrono boost a building with multiple chronos to increase the percentage would be way op. "oh no i forgot to get colossus" *ques up 3 colossus* *selects 4 nexi all with full energy, spam 16 chrono on it* "oh boy my colossus are pumping out at 800% faster than normal!"
cenafrk 1 month ago
Kyle is kinda dumb......
ElectroiceSC 1 month ago
mules chronoboosts and inject larva have such DIFFERENT PURPOSES
yeah, macro mechanics...
mules = more minerals = more units
inject = more larva = more units
chrono boosts = faster build times = more units
either kyle is a super good troll, or fucking retarded
981407036x 1 month ago in playlist Destiny - Other Highlights 37
@981407036x
As far as Protoss go, Chrono boosts also makes stronger units as well as more since u can chrono boost upgrades as well.
pianopro9 1 month ago
@981407036x Chrono also allows extra tech, CC also removes supply block from terrans agenda as well as having no need for detection.
RevolutionIncorp 1 month ago
@981407036x umm yea they are a little different..... mules = faster mining intake, way more minerals to spend on anything you want...... Larva injects = more units to build at a time (same as you said)..... chrono boost = faster anything, whether is upgrades, units, warpgates to reset faster.... so they DO all have different purposes and have weaknesses/strengths... (im just gonna assume you were sarcastically saying they were different because otherwise you are WRONG)
trashcan1112 3 weeks ago
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DavyDevil666 5 days ago
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DavyDevil666 5 days ago
@981407036x chronoboost can give you faster upgrades = better units. but of course it has to result into more (or better) units at some point, because you need units to win the game. what else do you want to result macro into in the end except units?!
Username636 4 days ago
hrrrng kyle do you even play the same game lol
981407036x 1 month ago in playlist Destiny - Other Highlights
One year later. . .
imchim 1 month ago in playlist Destiny - Other Highlights
@imchim they buffed warp prisms for speshul tactikness... and they nerfed terran early game build times. :D
idleeidolon 1 month ago
Kyle, Kyle, he either doesn't listen, doesn't think, doesn't comprehend, doesn't have a functional brain or doesn't play. All his points basically are suggesting no balacing is needed in this game.
theraceuyl 1 month ago
he cant answer a valid question either lol
vgplo 1 month ago
lol kyle doesn't wana be balanced.
vgplo 1 month ago
kyle is a terran so he mad but we know destiny says the truth
RzA5 1 month ago
kyle is a goddamn dumbass
NSGYHWN 1 month ago in playlist Destiny - Other Highlights
I think the difference between Destiny's argument and Kyle's argument is: Destiny is giving perfect realistic examples, hes making points, and he has evidence to back it. Kyle just sits there and says "your being irrational" or "you can't just list a bunch of stuff". More and more it just sounds like Kyle wants to disagree, but his points are so weak he can't argue them. Kyle is just trying to discredit everything he says by attacking his argument rather than making his own counter argument.
PizzaKoopa 1 month ago 18
Its ok, some races are more equal than others...
Veloh15 3 weeks ago
from what i understand form destiny.. ZvP = good game.. any mistakes will cost the game for either Z or P..
ZvT or PvT.. any mistakes will cost Z or P the game but mistakes done by T aren't as bad
iTzMist 1 month ago
@iTzMist keep in mind these points are made over a year ago
Rurike 1 month ago
@Rurike haha yeah I know.. but this is what i would of said if i watched this video a year ago.. and what i would of said to kyle
iTzMist 1 month ago
listening to this made me realize that destiny is really fucking smart. he actually understands this gameon a totally different level.
luxon4 1 month ago
Destiny calm down :)
MrMilan90 1 month ago
lol tarran is op kyle is op
fluffy341 1 month ago in playlist Destiny - Other Highlights
@fluffy341 according to many videos ive seen, every class is op and under powered at the same time
Rurike 1 month ago
Instead of making MULES a cooldown, why not just decrease the amount of time it gets to mine?
AtheylStarcraft 1 month ago
Terran is just OP.
sv122 1 month ago
I love this debate xD
ookkevin 2 months ago
what do u know! they made hellions cost gas HERP DERP Kyle!!!
cat537 2 months ago
BUT THE THING IS, COLLOSI AND ULTRAS ARE GOOD, THORS SUCK
ReconBreeze 2 months ago
Kyle: SAY SPECIFIC THINGS!
Destiny: Okay, let's look at the Tier 3 units on all 3 races. Thors...
Kyle: OMG!!!!!!!!!! STOP TRYING TO GET RID OF EVERYTHING "AWESOME" ABOUT TERRANS!
namgu33 2 months ago
Terran OP
MedicSpeedPaint 2 months ago
In Soviet Russia, base defends you
Nerianae 2 months ago
Stupid and bullshit and dumbass lol
ChefBoyardeeee 2 months ago
ghost also counter broodlords with snipe do they?
AssFragger 2 months ago
@AssFragger they do
So1ed 2 months ago
LOL
Emsusus 2 months ago in playlist Destiny - Other Highlights
Does kyle even listen to what you are saying ffs?
Emberslol 2 months ago
Its awesome when people who dont play anywhere near the pros level argue about balance.
suomilaaseri 2 months ago
You forgot you can repair with mules =P
TheRezolve 2 months ago
Destiny's problem is that he doesn't know how to beat terrans, therefore he bitches. If he couldn't beat Protoss, he'd bitch. If he couldn't beat other Zerg, he'd bitch. He's a good player, but his bitching drives me nuts.
lilbigwill8 2 months ago
In Soviet Russia, Hatcheries and Nexuses defend you!
Greenishmilk 2 months ago in playlist Destiny - Other Highlights
agree with kyle
TheQuert678 2 months ago in playlist Destiny - Other Highlights
destiny is rite!
TnTZerg 2 months ago in playlist Destiny - Other Highlights
@TnTZerg He's wrong, in the sense that the races are so completely different, so one thing gives you an advantage in one aspect and another will be greater for something else. There are so many asymmetric balances that exist in the game and this argument doesn't touch upon how certain things affect other areas of your macro.
Viclente 2 months ago
@Viclente No, you are wrong. The races are different but they share common grounds like what Destiny points out (e.g. need base and worker to mine, etc).
The list of "different / different / better" actually worth pondering, especially the punishing mechanism of the game is somewhat problematic.
Yes, there are many "asymmetric balances" but still to better the gameplay, the designers should tweak things out so that general gameplay improves and make it more skill level relavant.
theraceuyl 1 month ago
I think Kyle seriously is medically retarded.
AussieBloke2011 2 months ago
<---- would back up kyle
magingloon 2 months ago
Yes Terran is a noob friendly race and helps newbies get started playing sc2 the problem is when you have these people that are great at this game and play Terran they can abuse the freedom that helps new players get started. If Blizzard could maybe change something to where it is just not as easy for good players to abuse the perks of Terran the game would come out at least slightly more balanced. But what do you change is the problem. Personally, for an rts, I think this game is nicely balance
zeek4061 2 months ago
KYLE U SUCK LOLO
Terkel1994 2 months ago
wtf is kyle thinking?
iDJyork 2 months ago
Is there any terran player that would back up Kyle?
PoppinEZ 3 months ago
I want to punch Kyle in the face
bgmakiinmcqu33n 3 months ago
@10:45 "So back to the question at hand, I should play Terran?"
AndreTailz 3 months ago 13
@AndreTailz
yea.
AllstarHunE 1 month ago
god listening to kyle made ME feel stupid.
jamquackers 3 months ago
kyle is so fucking stupid
Kavoro75 3 months ago
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! :-D
zmeyagosho 3 months ago
All the qqers are just destiny fanboys that are silver zerg...
Kehoeman1 3 months ago
Kyle is so fucking stupid.
xvbadKarma 3 months ago 2
how can u balance races if u dont compare units...
ofc they are diffrent but as destiny says cololsus good against ground laser aoe
broodlord fires broodlings that attack after landing
thor can fuck ground and air+he even has a skill (that noone uses) but still
why colosus dont have a skill or broodlords cant attack air?
LedZabbath999 3 months ago
I agree with the cooldown on mules
ultraliser 3 months ago
why command center is op
terran: oh no im down some minerals
blizzard: here take some mules
terran: oh oops, supply blocked
blizzard: no worries, take a supply drop
terran: what if i want to scout without loosing units? or detect anything anywhere
blizzard: scan!
terran: thanks, but what if someone attacks my awsome base?
blizzard: no big deal, just add a giant fucking cannon on your cc
MrNinjanaut 3 months ago 58
@MrNinjanaut Why terran gets nerfed every patch
Zerg: QQQQQQQQQQQQ
Blizzard: kk sec.
Monerasauce 3 months ago
@Monerasauce Terran got the best harras unit and they are cheap and easy to use, and if u have a problem using them spam mules so that you will have 100% extra inc.
Terran is a noob freindly race, and there are so many things that favors noobs in terran
1337Wunderbaum 3 months ago
@MrNinjanaut Yes but since most Terran players were retarded eough to go Super-Alien<Killder-Bugs<Humans... they need SOME SORT OF HELP not to just constantly die to us Aliens and Bugzz.
MrGangstar101 3 months ago
@MrNinjanaut So idiotic rofl...... Supply drops and scans cost 270 minerals and mules are what keep terran up to par against protoss who can chrono boost probes and zerg who can make 6 drones at the time it takes to make 1 scv
KiriStarcraft 1 month ago
@KiriStarcraft They cost energy bro, not minerals.
XxCalypsoxX616 1 month ago
@XxCalypsoxX616 False, When doing a scan or supply drop you neglect the mule and give up the money that it would collect. Basically you waste money
KiriStarcraft 1 month ago
@MrNinjanaut to this day the fucking advantages the terran command center has pisses me off
dabulls108 1 month ago
@MrNinjanaut
cant have a giant fucking cannon as well as mules, supply drop or scan. :DD
eQNoxious 1 month ago
@MrNinjanaut yeah, those are some of terrans strengths, other classes got strengths too, zerg dont need a bunch of buildings for massing units and have creep to restore life and speed up units, protoss can wrap in units anywhere with a pylon or wrap prism and each unit and building has upgradable regenerating shields
Rurike 1 month ago
Zerg: The best cry babies in the world.
Terran doesn't have all-counter units. Zerg is easy mode.
Ryudouu 3 months ago
Kyle: "Your idea of balancing this game is stupid"
Last video you said bigger maps would help this game... You're kidding me right?
You really didn't have an answer for anything Destiny was addressing.
Zazgar07 3 months ago
Kyle is retarded.
He has no argument.
He should at least argue as to one way in which Terran can fuck up and it actually puts them behind.
JamesCFraser 3 months ago
Build 2 bunkers and block ramp -> autowin
Defend 2 bunkers at ramp and lose drones -> autlose
Defend 2 bunkers at ramp and lose nothing -> terran loses nothing
Xcoopa93 3 months ago
Kyle isn't even countering his points, he's just saying "They're supposed to be different." So if blizzard gave Zerg a unit that automatically wins the game as soon as it builds, that's fine cos it's different.
Paradox127 4 months ago 3
Kyle has no idea how to argue/debate. Destiny already won when Kyle started making personal attacks instead of attacking Destiny's facts. He just repeated the same thing over and over again, that was so fucking frustrating...
ruster1971 4 months ago 3
I'm wondering why Kyle is supporting Terran xD Terran "IS" Better Terran has the best defense and offense.
hmongboyee 4 months ago
Terran is OP We all figured that out on day one lol
hmongboyee 4 months ago
Kyle sounds like Chris Griffin, especially in the last minute..
Also, pointing out what makes a Terran strong helps point out any imbalance... it means they are "overly strong".
jylETZ 4 months ago
Destiny is such a good friend, every time he's about to call Kyle retarded he calms down and just says "I loved you Kyle"
SuperNoob119 4 months ago
everyone is just screaming becose terran in bw was shit when zergling could kill a marine
matas525 4 months ago
YOUR IDEA OF BALANCING THIS GAME IS STUPID AND BULLSHIT AND DUMBASS
TheDESTROLYS 4 months ago
"Thats what you sound like to me!" Kyle sort of reminds me of Chris Griffon at that point.
nexttoradio 4 months ago
fucking hate when kyle argue with destiny. I mean cmon, a TL moder sure knows better than a pro gamer xD lal.
kyle shouldn't even argue with destiny. He should just say "Yep your right".
Sydberg 4 months ago
They are NOT so different after all though!
Let's see: orbitals make you choose between economy and agression with mules and scans.
Queens make you choose between extra drones or extra attacking units and they therefore make you also choose between economy and agression.
Chronoboost makes you choose between chronoboosting probes or things for attacking purposes.
They're not so very different!
asdfjkl13657 4 months ago
@asdfjkl13657 scans dont really have anything to do with agression its just free scouting
penguinsonsteroids 4 months ago
@penguinsonsteroids nononono scans can have everything to do with aggressions a scan can give a terran an idea whether they want to move out or not... as a zerg playing scouting is THE most important skill you need in a game... A protoss can build a 200/200 army without any scouting and still roll a zerg army, Terrans need a bit more scouting because they without proper control can be decimated by blings whilst if a zerg goes in with out scouting and does a ling-roach army ....
Changdesu 4 months ago
@Changdesu it can be destroyed but a tech path such as banshees or vrs...
Changdesu 4 months ago
@Changdesu but thats like saying observers are used for aggression , scans can indirectly lead to aggression , i see ur point tho
penguinsonsteroids 4 months ago
@penguinsonsteroids Yes you are right ins saying it is indirect aggression, I should have made that point clearer. My bad
Changdesu 4 months ago
Kyle needs to learn asymmetrical balance
McsTarget 4 months ago
Destiny also look at the lore and races backround rockets splash, Battlecruisers are mobile capitol ships, and why woudnt they have triple A on a major ground unit like a mobile artillery like a thor. So how would you balance that make terrans retarded and not use weapons that survive.
kinkarcana1293 4 months ago
@kinkarcana1293 fuck the lore, rockets are fine but remove the splash
Wickedsicked8 4 months ago
@Wickedsicked8 Have you ever seen a MK 2 Hellfire missile or a SAM Hunter killer missle, even an rpg there is always gonna be some splash when an explsion occurs unless your out of the Killzone which is usually 20-30 feet. Now idk but when i see Mutas they usually fly in packs and when some type of missile hits those packs there is gonna be splash damage from both the initial explosion and the heat generated, not to mention the shockwave that penetrates the body causing organs to rupture.
kinkarcana1293 4 months ago
@kinkarcana1293 i have and its irrelevant to sc2 look at concussive shells no splash there or the normal siege tank firing mode its causing balancing issues therefore splash should be removed starcraft isnt realistic
Wickedsicked8 4 months ago
@Wickedsicked8 were not talking about siege tanks and that isnt what Destiny is talking about, look Destiny is my favorite SC 2 player and Kyle is a retard and I know there are balancing issues, but weapons and lore are relevant. What just b/c its not balanced we should change how a rocket actually works and how a warhead fucntions. There is gonna be an explosion, and that explosion is gonna have a Killzone. Also blizzard got it wrong concussion grenades also have a radial explosion of 20meter
kinkarcana1293 4 months ago
@Wickedsicked8 How i know this, I was training to go to the West Point academy and also have played Starcraft since Brood War there is nothing wrong with how the weaponary functions but i can agree that it should cost more such as hellions costing gas b/c they use gas within the High Yield Flamers that they use which function similarly to those used on Shermans in WW2
kinkarcana1293 4 months ago
@kinkarcana1293 :/ i never asked how u kno nor do i care its irrelevant to an sc2 balance discussion hellions should cost gas bcuz there a mobile aoe unit and are incredibly effective vs light units much like banelings yet banelings are less effective and cost more
Wickedsicked8 4 months ago
@Wickedsicked8 Fine what ever you win I dont care anymore good luck to you sir.
kinkarcana1293 4 months ago
@kinkarcana1293 u 2 buddy good luck in west point :)
Wickedsicked8 4 months ago
Kyle trolls hard.
9x18Parabellum 4 months ago
Kyle is retarded.
DreadBrandX 4 months ago 50