losdruid, if you were born as an ossetian, would you be ashamed of your own culture? you say culture is the most precious think in Georgia - not only in Georgia! Culture is not material, it belongs to nobody, it is fluent, every new cultures is born by the mix of others, every nation is build with thousend component - so if you were president, you would forbid ossetins to dance these dances? I guess you don't allow your children to play with ossetian kids and dance these dance TOGETHER?
First of all it is not silly to call worrior dance because up high in the mountains they danced it to train worriors and while keeping entertaining side of it so it was worrior dance but u may call whatever u want. As clothing, Russians call it Cherkeska so do Azers but its original name is Talavari, and was invented in Georgia u like it or not it is so and u have to except it. And we would not run around screaming its Georgian if others did not try to steal our culture as theirs.
@losdruid Ultimately it is very difficult to say who invented the clothing and dances. Recording does not mean inventing. To the Russians the clothing Chokha is known as Cherkesska referring to the north-Caucasian peoples. The dance Lezginka refers to the ethnic group Lezgins. And like I said before there is no evidence of this clothing or dances to have existed before the coming of Alans (Ossetians). They have contributed a lot to the development of Caucasian culture.
@losdruid I did not say that the dances were invented in 20th century I said they were choreographed to look acrobatic as they are today. If you watch older videos even from the 50íes they don't look nearly as acrobatic as they do today.
recording something is not inventing it. "Warrior country" is so silly to say. Every country in the world had wars some time and certainly everyone in the Caucasus knew wars because of the diversity of cultures and major powers using the aria as their battleground. A lot of cultures have war dances which they perform before going to war and after as celebration. Even until today.
@PeopleOfAr first of all if u must know we know Talavari (chokha) the dress that caucasians wear is from Georgia because the eirliest portrait and earliest place where it is mantioned is Georgia. It did not have bullets but pockets at first later on it had bullets inside the pocket. I am not racist but look at the facts here man Osetian dress is Iranic dress which clearly is not Talavari. I am not understating Osetian culture in any ways but what they dance is Georgian dance not Osetian.
salaam of ya allah eye tear came to this world eye fell in to a pool of spring to look for other tear love from the other eye to become ahad or one love and to stay say your not alone love tear eye ear your love the dove will come and drink from the pool of spring to take eye back to the sky of cloud's of tear's of janat of ya allah salaam.
BUllshiiiiit this is pure dagestanian dance. it actually was not dance at all it was simply performance of vainakh people who were skilled with knives and used to do tricks in public there are only three types of dagger dances in Caucasus there is Parikaoba from Georgia there is Khanjluri which is also from Georgia and there is this one which is from Vainakh people. Stop stealing Caucasian culture if u claim to be Iranians be one and stop pretending to be Caucasians.
@losdruid@losdruid they were an iranic tribe long before this knife performance was invited. And long before this kind of costumes were invented. They contributed to Caucasian culture just as much if not more than other Caucasian peoples. Even Georgians have claimed to be an Iranian tribe. In their medieval chronicles it is written that Georgians originally come from Arian-Kartli in the old Iran. So stop your racism please there is no need for that.
@PeopleOfAr what? first of all I am not racist and second of all Osetians came in Cauasus in mid centuries these costumes and these dances comes from caucasus way before they came to our homeland. and once again I am not racist however I hate when other nations or ethnicities ar trying to robb my country of its land of its culture and of its laxuries and I have every right to protst it. this is Georgian and not Iranian dance. Pluss Georgians have never ever claimed to be Iranians ever in history
@losdruid Aryan-Kartli არიან-ქართლი was a country claimed by the medieval Georgian chronicle "The Conversion of Kartli"to be the earlier homeland of the Georgians of Kartli. On the basis of its name, suggesting the connection with ancient Iran (Arian Kartli/Iranian Kartli), and Classical sources scholars have inferred that this land lay within the orbit of Achaemenid Empire. Herodotus’ list of the Achaemenid provinces, which places the proto-Georgian tribes within the 13th and 19th satrapies
@losdruid the costumes and dances are not older than Ossetian tribes came to the region. The costumes have places for bullets some claim before that they were used to hold gunpowder. However I cannot imagine it to be practical. But before the use of gunpowder there is no evidence of this clothing to have existed. Most of the dances are invented in the 50ies by Georgian choreographs.Though Caucasian dances are much older they were not nearly as acrobatic as they are performed today
@PeopleOfAr as for dances these dances existed in Georgia houndreds of years earlier. There are curtain types of dancing as for this one. this was not fully dance but a worrior exersize. Georgia was worrior country and had at least 2 major wars per year. This was dance exersize in Georgia that prepared younglings for fight while at the same time kept its entertaining side.
dude first, Georgians are very similar to Ossets in which their relations to Iranian/Persian, they are just like Azeri's -they were Iranians who got seperated by Iran by a neighboring or other nation, for Azerbaijan was Turkey and Russia, i'm not sure about Ossetia and Georgia, but Russia has to in there isnce they write in Russian. Ossets were Alans who were related to Saga(Scythians) and were Iranians speaking N.Iranian. ...
secondly, this dance is Iranic, it is almost identicle to Azeri dances and other Caucas dances, if u beg to differ, then who else could it belong to? it isn't Turkic nor Russian, and Georgians have been a part of Persia and before the empire parts of Sarmatija and Alannic tribes whowere both of Iranic stock, their atire, music and dances are Airiyan-Iranic. the major difference between Iran and Georgia/Ossetia is that the invaders- u guys had Russians mainly, we had arabs ..
... thus, we have more darker skin and semetic features, arabs also brought islam and Russians brought Christianity, however before all this, the ancient Iranians were much much more Iranian in which they were Airiyan thus greater Norsk features. either way we are related in the great Airiyan race.
@yashil17 yess they are very fimilar but Georgians are not Aryan people... Georgians are Caucasoids like adigas and vainakhs. Georgians, vainakhs, adigas are the only three true caucasian people. alans are Persians, karacheis and balkars are Iranic....
Ive got a question for anyone that is ossetian here. I am an american-iranian. Both of my parents are from Iran. However, my fathers father ( my grandfather) had ossetian parents ( making me 1/4 ossetian).....I dont know much about my grandfather or how he felt about his heritage etc.....but do ossetians feel somewhat close to Iranian culturally?...I mean farsi and ossetian are very similar ..more so than russian is to ossetian...do ossetians think of iranians as countrymen?
OSETLER HUNTÜRKLERİNİN 24'lük kabile sisteminin ilk 4 ana kabilesinden olan AS'lardan gelirler ve şuanki isimleri (AS)ETİNDİR...en eski TÜRK kabilelerindendirler...
In other hand,hard to believe that we coming from barbarian tribes.Maybe we changed through centuries, who knows.But as i see myself it is more like Spartans:"don't bother me other ways i can fight well" Also good to update what was previously done by historians.DNA test for instance,or more detailed examination of the language similarities.Historians often do mistakes. Thank you for your attention.
a message to all the Iranians and Persians, stop trying to claim everything as yours. You are not some type of mother country or people...go see a psychiatrist if you suffer from some sort of inferiority complex and as a result usurp everyone's great achievements and culture as yours.
Hah, they're nationalists, they won't listen. It's the same with the Turkish nationalists trying to claim that Genghiz Khan and Tamerlane are their ancestors.
The Communists had nothing to do with it. I said the 19th century, not the 20th century. 1800s. Vasili Alaev was the man who realized that the Ossetes are descended from the Alans, and that wasn't until the 1800s.
Apparently they didn't. The Ossetes thought they were basically just like the other Caucasian ethnic groups in the region, and had really always been there. Until the 20th century apparently they had no idea, and in fact, no one had any idea.
He noticed that while Ossetian is unlike the neighboring Caucasian/Turkic languages, it does have a lot in common with Iranian languages. Examples of "Alanic" cited in Byzantine sources are almost exactly like Ossetic. So philologists put two and two together, and Abaev published his book on the relationship between Ossetic and Sarmatian/Alanic.
then what about the karachay-balkars? they say they are Alans and you ossetians calls them "AS" or "OS" and by other neighbors they are called "Alans" so how do you epxlain that?
Well the Karachay-Balkhars might have at one point been dominated by Tartars or some other Turkic people, and lost their original language. From what I've read, that's what happened to many of the original Alans, is that they disappeared and merged with the Volga Bulgars.
that is absurd, how come that they are the only ones who lost the language? what about the other caucasian tribes who were dominated with some turkic tribes? why they didn\t lost their language?
Well the French used to speak Old Frankish Germanic and Gaulish, but now they speak a Romance language descended from Vulgar Latin. Not so absurd.
Again, I'm not entirely sure, it's just a possibility. What are you getting at, by the way? Like, why do you care whether the Karachay-Balkhars are Alanic or not?
but you said they were dominated by tartars, so why there was no assimilation in other caucasian tribes? like some georgians, adygs and even some ossetians?
i don't care if the karachay balkars are alanic or not, it is just that there is no written history about them so everyone come up with different stories, but we know facts that they speak a turkic language as their mother tongue, and they lived with caucasians
so, Alans spoke azerbaijan language Or may be Jakut language? Or Kazah? LOL Alans were tall and blond - this is 100% evidence they were NOT small squint-eyed mongoloid turks. They made turks (including Caucasian turks) look like europeans, but it does not mean they were turks themselves
Many peoples have Alan influence, I don't deny it. But it does not mean Alans were turkic and spoke turkic language. As for Azeries - they are partly descendants of Percians, partly - turks (oguses), who were Mongoloid. So, modern population of Azerbaijan is not Mongoloid.
So, Western Iranians: Persians, Kurds, etc, made with Oguses and Seldjuks the same thing Eastern Iranians: Alans, Sarmats etc. made with Karachays and other Caucasian turks - they changed their race from Mongoloid to European
" Azerbaijan are in Caucasus" - did I say anything opposite? Read my posts more careful. Once again: Azeries are partly Persians and Caucasians (this because they are Southern Europeoids) partly turks (this because they speak turkic language). And of course they have many other ingridients, like all other peoples today
Yes...eventhough people of the caucuses like to through racist comments at each other ( notably armenian vs. azeris...or georgians+armenians vs. azeris), the azeris have a very similar genetic makeup to their georgian and especially armenian counterparts. There really is not much noticable asiatic genetic influence.....im guessing a small seljuk province was created their and the local inhabitants were forced to speak a turkic language....continued
also ..something else to note..the seljuk turks were very different in appearance from mongols. Althought they shared certain physical features ( eyes) the seljuks had intermingled with scythians and other indo-european groups before beginning their massive attack of Iran, the caucas, and turkey. They werent exactly "caucasian looking" per say but had more caucasoid features than their eastern brothers.
you are right. At the time they begun their invasion seljuks received a lot of european (iranian) blood, especially their elite. Without it they would not be able to conquer anybody except local camels.
thats soley based off of Strabos depictions...which...Strabo is always mininterpretad with his use of "blonde"...he means "light"..as in "not black...so this "blonde"..could mean anything from dark brown to red to some blonde or light brown. This doesnt mean every Alan looked like a scandanavian.
may be you confuse Strabon with A.Marcellin, who really depicted Alans as "tall and fair-haired". Your idea is correct in general but anyway the description is typical for nordic race people. The same were given for Persian warriors by Antic Greek chroniclers
excuse me for interference into your interesting convers,i just want to bring to both of your attention the fact that historical evidence are existing to support the theory of Alans and Osetians. The Christianity and Alans .Googel it.By the way some story of one of the Alan's king,which was described by Ptolemey,amazingly similar to the family legend of living in South Ossetia family.With the same last name even.
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that the Ossetians are descended from the Alans. They plainly are. I'm saying that the Ossetians didn't know they were until the 20th century.
oh yes ,there wasn't writing books about it. But we all knew from our grandmothers "the Nart's epos", which of course, doesn't provide significant historical info.
For example,USA does not support Kurds to create own government and Russia is partner of Iran as Armenia.
My last comment was only answer to other "Iranian" and I do not care about independency of Kurdistan from Iran! Nobody asks me about Kurdish issue!World'll decide it without me)))
Long live Osetia!By the way Sythins influnced jn Eastern Slavonic tribes and Alans played an important role in ethnogenesis of the first Don & Old Azov cossacks
kurds are also an iranian people who speak a branch of Iranian languages.Actually kurds who live outside iran should also join Iran(their relatives)when Iran gets a better system/government.English never speak or spoke iranian/iranic language,we dont even count them as the cousins of our cousins :D, but we count osetians as our bros/cousins. But u have to know that the iranism movement still has to grow,its still like an egg.The baby chicken comes out when Iran get a nationalist government.
English people are Indo-Europeans as Iranians and you should count them as cousins of our cousins! Not only English people,you have to count as yours Gypsies to!
At last every person comes from Adam and all people are brothers!)
giuri, you are an idiot, because iran is land of aryans and belong to all aryans and kiurds are iranians so why should kurds be separate? iran is not persia, iran is the land of all tribes of aour family, you are manipulated by russians and americans
Mr.Khosro Fravahar! At first why did you insult me?(You have nice account with good videos and I think you're well-educated person and it's shame!)I'm a Giurji why do you call me giuri?)
Aryans were only high estate in old Persia.Maybe Kurds belong Indo-European people,but it's not hindrance to have own state separately from Iran and they wish it.
Iran is only new name of Persia!Why do you think that I'm manipulated by Russians and Americans?
giurji, read history and then talk please, we iranian called our land all the time iran and not persia, only foreigners used to use persia, so some iranian outside iran due to the country in europe or usa use this term, but inside iran all the time they say iran, see shahname ferdosi over 720 times iran, see karname ardeshir babakan 3th century, see even law papers of ghajar dynasty or sfavid books, i dont like people like u, who abuse history for populist lies
All doomed... All this is soon going to disappear whether they like it or not. Western culture has engulfed China, Japan, Australia, most of Africa, and all America. It will soon take care of the Middle and Central Asia too.
It's just a simple matter of time. Resistance is futile!
we care about all Iranian ethnics, we should be united we should protect each other! we didn't in the past and we were screwed by many fuckers including Arabs, Mongols! Turks and MOF Britain!
we still have this dance in Iran, in our weddings and birthdays, i saw a knife dancing in a south Iranian family from Hourmozgan! u know how much distance is between hourmozgan to ossetia? hourmozgan is near the Persian gulf...Iranian culture and Iranian people forever...
this is caucasian knife dance!! not iranian in origin!!, every nation has some kind of knife dance but this is caucasian, not iranic nor turkic nor arabic
puff! bullshit, ossetians are iranic! and some northern part of Iran is in Caucasus! you can stay in denial forever. dont forget that the whole Caucasus was ruled by Iranian ethnics in the ancient world (scythians)
once rulled before 2000 years ago, but you obviosly dont know that before those iranians there were native people, i know ossetians are iranic, and you too, so why both of you dont got the same culture except the language? why do ossetians have caucasian culture and you got some kind of eastern culture?, nobody learns from nomads, nomads learn from natives
2000 years ago?? the turkmenchay treaty was in 1824 not 2000 years ago which meant iran will hand over the khanate of shirvan (dagestan and most of azerbaijan) khanate of abkhaz, khanate of irevan (armenia, parts of georgia) and other teretories to the north of river aras!! Caucasian culture specially Lezgi influence is still dominant in Iranian Azerbiajan and Talysh region of Iran.
sawserok, as iranian i respect teh ossetian culture but they are aour brothers too, get it in your mind or just read books, iroon is the language of them and irooni means in persian lamguage iranian, just read books
the people and culture from balkan and caucassus are pretty much identical,it must have been that we have the same origins
hmcccp 8 months ago
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KudairaG 1 year ago
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Мах чи нае уарзы, уыдон сае лаехы бын ныммаелаед!!!! Маехъаел амае гуырдзыиы кой каенын, каед мае нае бамбаерстат уаед!!!!!! АЛАНТае размае!!!!! Иумае куы уаем, уаед уыдзыстаем тыхджын!!!!!
ALANIA986 1 year ago
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ALANIA986 1 year ago 3
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Ram3log 1 year ago
Hi i am from ossetia-alania
ossetians-alans are iranic language people - unique in europe, russia, and Caucasus
they are historically worriors
many ossetian wrestlers are olimpic champions
kola414 1 year ago
losdruid, if you were born as an ossetian, would you be ashamed of your own culture? you say culture is the most precious think in Georgia - not only in Georgia! Culture is not material, it belongs to nobody, it is fluent, every new cultures is born by the mix of others, every nation is build with thousend component - so if you were president, you would forbid ossetins to dance these dances? I guess you don't allow your children to play with ossetian kids and dance these dance TOGETHER?
folaquinque 1 year ago
First of all it is not silly to call worrior dance because up high in the mountains they danced it to train worriors and while keeping entertaining side of it so it was worrior dance but u may call whatever u want. As clothing, Russians call it Cherkeska so do Azers but its original name is Talavari, and was invented in Georgia u like it or not it is so and u have to except it. And we would not run around screaming its Georgian if others did not try to steal our culture as theirs.
losdruid 1 year ago
@losdruid Ultimately it is very difficult to say who invented the clothing and dances. Recording does not mean inventing. To the Russians the clothing Chokha is known as Cherkesska referring to the north-Caucasian peoples. The dance Lezginka refers to the ethnic group Lezgins. And like I said before there is no evidence of this clothing or dances to have existed before the coming of Alans (Ossetians). They have contributed a lot to the development of Caucasian culture.
PeopleOfAr 1 year ago
@losdruid I did not say that the dances were invented in 20th century I said they were choreographed to look acrobatic as they are today. If you watch older videos even from the 50íes they don't look nearly as acrobatic as they do today.
PeopleOfAr 1 year ago
recording something is not inventing it. "Warrior country" is so silly to say. Every country in the world had wars some time and certainly everyone in the Caucasus knew wars because of the diversity of cultures and major powers using the aria as their battleground. A lot of cultures have war dances which they perform before going to war and after as celebration. Even until today.
PeopleOfAr 1 year ago
@PeopleOfAr first of all if u must know we know Talavari (chokha) the dress that caucasians wear is from Georgia because the eirliest portrait and earliest place where it is mantioned is Georgia. It did not have bullets but pockets at first later on it had bullets inside the pocket. I am not racist but look at the facts here man Osetian dress is Iranic dress which clearly is not Talavari. I am not understating Osetian culture in any ways but what they dance is Georgian dance not Osetian.
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salaam of ya allah eye tear came to this world eye fell in to a pool of spring to look for other tear love from the other eye to become ahad or one love and to stay say your not alone love tear eye ear your love the dove will come and drink from the pool of spring to take eye back to the sky of cloud's of tear's of janat of ya allah salaam.
wingully 1 year ago
BUllshiiiiit this is pure dagestanian dance. it actually was not dance at all it was simply performance of vainakh people who were skilled with knives and used to do tricks in public there are only three types of dagger dances in Caucasus there is Parikaoba from Georgia there is Khanjluri which is also from Georgia and there is this one which is from Vainakh people. Stop stealing Caucasian culture if u claim to be Iranians be one and stop pretending to be Caucasians.
losdruid 1 year ago
@losdruid @losdruid they were an iranic tribe long before this knife performance was invited. And long before this kind of costumes were invented. They contributed to Caucasian culture just as much if not more than other Caucasian peoples. Even Georgians have claimed to be an Iranian tribe. In their medieval chronicles it is written that Georgians originally come from Arian-Kartli in the old Iran. So stop your racism please there is no need for that.
PeopleOfAr 1 year ago
@PeopleOfAr what? first of all I am not racist and second of all Osetians came in Cauasus in mid centuries these costumes and these dances comes from caucasus way before they came to our homeland. and once again I am not racist however I hate when other nations or ethnicities ar trying to robb my country of its land of its culture and of its laxuries and I have every right to protst it. this is Georgian and not Iranian dance. Pluss Georgians have never ever claimed to be Iranians ever in history
losdruid 1 year ago
@losdruid Aryan-Kartli არიან-ქართლი was a country claimed by the medieval Georgian chronicle "The Conversion of Kartli"to be the earlier homeland of the Georgians of Kartli. On the basis of its name, suggesting the connection with ancient Iran (Arian Kartli/Iranian Kartli), and Classical sources scholars have inferred that this land lay within the orbit of Achaemenid Empire. Herodotus’ list of the Achaemenid provinces, which places the proto-Georgian tribes within the 13th and 19th satrapies
PeopleOfAr 1 year ago
@losdruid the costumes and dances are not older than Ossetian tribes came to the region. The costumes have places for bullets some claim before that they were used to hold gunpowder. However I cannot imagine it to be practical. But before the use of gunpowder there is no evidence of this clothing to have existed. Most of the dances are invented in the 50ies by Georgian choreographs.Though Caucasian dances are much older they were not nearly as acrobatic as they are performed today
PeopleOfAr 1 year ago
@PeopleOfAr as for dances these dances existed in Georgia houndreds of years earlier. There are curtain types of dancing as for this one. this was not fully dance but a worrior exersize. Georgia was worrior country and had at least 2 major wars per year. This was dance exersize in Georgia that prepared younglings for fight while at the same time kept its entertaining side.
losdruid 1 year ago
@losdruid
dude first, Georgians are very similar to Ossets in which their relations to Iranian/Persian, they are just like Azeri's -they were Iranians who got seperated by Iran by a neighboring or other nation, for Azerbaijan was Turkey and Russia, i'm not sure about Ossetia and Georgia, but Russia has to in there isnce they write in Russian. Ossets were Alans who were related to Saga(Scythians) and were Iranians speaking N.Iranian. ...
yashil17 9 months ago
@yashil17
secondly, this dance is Iranic, it is almost identicle to Azeri dances and other Caucas dances, if u beg to differ, then who else could it belong to? it isn't Turkic nor Russian, and Georgians have been a part of Persia and before the empire parts of Sarmatija and Alannic tribes whowere both of Iranic stock, their atire, music and dances are Airiyan-Iranic. the major difference between Iran and Georgia/Ossetia is that the invaders- u guys had Russians mainly, we had arabs ..
yashil17 9 months ago
@yashil17 thats not tue , we had exept russia , Persian, Ottomans, Arabs invadors
070dh 4 months ago
@yashil17
... thus, we have more darker skin and semetic features, arabs also brought islam and Russians brought Christianity, however before all this, the ancient Iranians were much much more Iranian in which they were Airiyan thus greater Norsk features. either way we are related in the great Airiyan race.
LONG LIVE AIRIYANS!
LONG LIVE IRANIC PEOPLE!
yashil17 9 months ago
@yashil17 osetian not iranic people... ossetian s nort caucasian... u r bastard gypshy iranian!!!
burakkk55 4 months ago
@yashil17 yess they are very fimilar but Georgians are not Aryan people... Georgians are Caucasoids like adigas and vainakhs. Georgians, vainakhs, adigas are the only three true caucasian people. alans are Persians, karacheis and balkars are Iranic....
losdruid 9 months ago
@losdruid fuck you bastards!!!! asetin(kuşha) not gypshy iranian!!!
burakkk55 4 months ago
impressive
Cutedervish 1 year ago
Actually much of Eastern Europe was once "Iranic".
The Scythian-Sarmatian tribes used to live there, in cohabitation with the Germanic and Finno-Ugric groups.
cvvemuri 2 years ago
poem;
lazı, çerkezi, türkü, kürdü #
Anadoluda hepsi hürdü #
aramıza nifak sokanlara #
hepsi birden tükürdü #
bejdal 2 years ago
teşekkürler, barkala, thanks
bejdal 2 years ago
Agree We need to unite against the Pan turkists that has sweeped central asia
Iranian people are one!!!!
kahnkan 2 years ago
You are absolutely right, Zaza. Hold on, our Iranian brothers!
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
Ive got a question for anyone that is ossetian here. I am an american-iranian. Both of my parents are from Iran. However, my fathers father ( my grandfather) had ossetian parents ( making me 1/4 ossetian).....I dont know much about my grandfather or how he felt about his heritage etc.....but do ossetians feel somewhat close to Iranian culturally?...I mean farsi and ossetian are very similar ..more so than russian is to ossetian...do ossetians think of iranians as countrymen?
arfx3 2 years ago
the most of Ossetians know Ossetian language belongs to Iranian group.
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
osets and abkhazs...
FOR THE İNDEPENDECE,FORGET THE russia...
COMPLETE İNDEPENDENT KAVKAZİA....
burakkk55 2 years ago
go to hell, turkish monkey
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
Right. To be more accurate - they are Eastern Iranians, closer to Pushtunes, Jagnobes and disappeared Sogdians
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
KAVKAAZ SILAA!!!
pieter007555 2 years ago
OSETLER HUNTÜRKLERİNİN 24'lük kabile sisteminin ilk 4 ana kabilesinden olan AS'lardan gelirler ve şuanki isimleri (AS)ETİNDİR...en eski TÜRK kabilelerindendirler...
burakkk55 2 years ago
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what the fuck is this stupid shit
themaster1771 3 years ago
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CHECHENYA 4 EVER AND EVER... all day every day... we luv kavkaz
EGOCHECHEN 3 years ago
Plant knives in western agressors !!!
Serbistan+Iristan
CcCc
KATAFRAKT 3 years ago
Georgia is Leichtenstein
suckmybass 3 years ago
Long life to Ossetia!!!!!
kavkazian 3 years ago 11
you idiot. this is georgians nationallity wear, musik and dance you fool!
saschaa 3 years ago
This type of dressing is only in Georgia. It is considered national in other Caucasian countries.
ervandsarkisyan 3 years ago
In other hand,hard to believe that we coming from barbarian tribes.Maybe we changed through centuries, who knows.But as i see myself it is more like Spartans:"don't bother me other ways i can fight well" Also good to update what was previously done by historians.DNA test for instance,or more detailed examination of the language similarities.Historians often do mistakes. Thank you for your attention.
acemONER 3 years ago
a message to all the Iranians and Persians, stop trying to claim everything as yours. You are not some type of mother country or people...go see a psychiatrist if you suffer from some sort of inferiority complex and as a result usurp everyone's great achievements and culture as yours.
Orzalas 3 years ago
Hah, they're nationalists, they won't listen. It's the same with the Turkish nationalists trying to claim that Genghiz Khan and Tamerlane are their ancestors.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
That's right. They were also kept very hard under communist regime and their history were denide. Still some of them are brain washed.
farszad22 3 years ago
The Communists had nothing to do with it. I said the 19th century, not the 20th century. 1800s. Vasili Alaev was the man who realized that the Ossetes are descended from the Alans, and that wasn't until the 1800s.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
Vasili Abaev lived in 1900-2001.
Bolatberjey 3 years ago
Thanks for correcting me.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
what do you mean realized? ossetians didn't knew that they are descendents of the alans until that alaev showed up?
Sawserok 3 years ago
Apparently they didn't. The Ossetes thought they were basically just like the other Caucasian ethnic groups in the region, and had really always been there. Until the 20th century apparently they had no idea, and in fact, no one had any idea.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
well that explains many things.
and that whole time i bet karachay-balkars were calling themselves and by their neighbors as "Alans".
so how is that Abaev realized that ossetians are alans? what he had to do?
Sawserok 3 years ago
He noticed that while Ossetian is unlike the neighboring Caucasian/Turkic languages, it does have a lot in common with Iranian languages. Examples of "Alanic" cited in Byzantine sources are almost exactly like Ossetic. So philologists put two and two together, and Abaev published his book on the relationship between Ossetic and Sarmatian/Alanic.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago 2
then what about the karachay-balkars? they say they are Alans and you ossetians calls them "AS" or "OS" and by other neighbors they are called "Alans" so how do you epxlain that?
Sawserok 3 years ago
I haven't studied the Karachay-Balkhars, so I'm not in a position to say they are not also the descendants of Alans. They may well be.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
how come? they speak turkic and ossetias speak iranic? how come from the same Alan nation will come two different nations?
Sawserok 3 years ago
Well the Karachay-Balkhars might have at one point been dominated by Tartars or some other Turkic people, and lost their original language. From what I've read, that's what happened to many of the original Alans, is that they disappeared and merged with the Volga Bulgars.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
that is absurd, how come that they are the only ones who lost the language? what about the other caucasian tribes who were dominated with some turkic tribes? why they didn\t lost their language?
Sawserok 3 years ago
Well the French used to speak Old Frankish Germanic and Gaulish, but now they speak a Romance language descended from Vulgar Latin. Not so absurd.
Again, I'm not entirely sure, it's just a possibility. What are you getting at, by the way? Like, why do you care whether the Karachay-Balkhars are Alanic or not?
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
but you said they were dominated by tartars, so why there was no assimilation in other caucasian tribes? like some georgians, adygs and even some ossetians?
i don't care if the karachay balkars are alanic or not, it is just that there is no written history about them so everyone come up with different stories, but we know facts that they speak a turkic language as their mother tongue, and they lived with caucasians
Sawserok 3 years ago
so, Alans spoke azerbaijan language Or may be Jakut language? Or Kazah? LOL Alans were tall and blond - this is 100% evidence they were NOT small squint-eyed mongoloid turks. They made turks (including Caucasian turks) look like europeans, but it does not mean they were turks themselves
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
who the hell said that alans were turks?? except the karachay balkars who say that they are the true alans.
about tall and blonde i really don't know, how you can prove such thing?
Sawserok 2 years ago
Tatars, Turkmens, even some Azer (!) "historians" and even vainahs. But you are right - it's not so important.
As for their external - read Ammian Marcellin, the Roman historian. archaeological artefacts confirm it
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
And since when Azerbaijanis are Mogoloid looking? North-West of Azerbaijan have Alan influence, yes. You can checks maps anyway.
NorthAzeriCaucasus 2 years ago
Many peoples have Alan influence, I don't deny it. But it does not mean Alans were turkic and spoke turkic language. As for Azeries - they are partly descendants of Percians, partly - turks (oguses), who were Mongoloid. So, modern population of Azerbaijan is not Mongoloid.
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
So, Western Iranians: Persians, Kurds, etc, made with Oguses and Seldjuks the same thing Eastern Iranians: Alans, Sarmats etc. made with Karachays and other Caucasian turks - they changed their race from Mongoloid to European
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
Another laughable post. Azerbaijan are in Caucasus. Please go and learn geography before talking to me.
NorthAzeriCaucasus 2 years ago
" Azerbaijan are in Caucasus" - did I say anything opposite? Read my posts more careful. Once again: Azeries are partly Persians and Caucasians (this because they are Southern Europeoids) partly turks (this because they speak turkic language). And of course they have many other ingridients, like all other peoples today
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
Yes...eventhough people of the caucuses like to through racist comments at each other ( notably armenian vs. azeris...or georgians+armenians vs. azeris), the azeris have a very similar genetic makeup to their georgian and especially armenian counterparts. There really is not much noticable asiatic genetic influence.....im guessing a small seljuk province was created their and the local inhabitants were forced to speak a turkic language....continued
arfx3 2 years ago 2
also ..something else to note..the seljuk turks were very different in appearance from mongols. Althought they shared certain physical features ( eyes) the seljuks had intermingled with scythians and other indo-european groups before beginning their massive attack of Iran, the caucas, and turkey. They werent exactly "caucasian looking" per say but had more caucasoid features than their eastern brothers.
arfx3 2 years ago 3
you are right. At the time they begun their invasion seljuks received a lot of european (iranian) blood, especially their elite. Without it they would not be able to conquer anybody except local camels.
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
thats soley based off of Strabos depictions...which...Strabo is always mininterpretad with his use of "blonde"...he means "light"..as in "not black...so this "blonde"..could mean anything from dark brown to red to some blonde or light brown. This doesnt mean every Alan looked like a scandanavian.
arfx3 2 years ago
may be you confuse Strabon with A.Marcellin, who really depicted Alans as "tall and fair-haired". Your idea is correct in general but anyway the description is typical for nordic race people. The same were given for Persian warriors by Antic Greek chroniclers
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
excuse me for interference into your interesting convers,i just want to bring to both of your attention the fact that historical evidence are existing to support the theory of Alans and Osetians. The Christianity and Alans .Googel it.By the way some story of one of the Alan's king,which was described by Ptolemey,amazingly similar to the family legend of living in South Ossetia family.With the same last name even.
acemONER 3 years ago
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that the Ossetians are descended from the Alans. They plainly are. I'm saying that the Ossetians didn't know they were until the 20th century.
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
oh yes ,there wasn't writing books about it. But we all knew from our grandmothers "the Nart's epos", which of course, doesn't provide significant historical info.
acemONER 3 years ago
Isn't the Narty Kajjitae also told among the Circassians?
RolfLarsson 3 years ago
is there any cross examination ,that they identical?
acemONER 3 years ago
it's common opinion but it is not true.
AlonsoArdjuna 2 years ago
Iranium
GiurjJanavar 3 years ago
For example,USA does not support Kurds to create own government and Russia is partner of Iran as Armenia.
My last comment was only answer to other "Iranian" and I do not care about independency of Kurdistan from Iran! Nobody asks me about Kurdish issue!World'll decide it without me)))
Best wishes!
GiurjJanavar 3 years ago
I think that Zaur Pliev's dance is better than that "dance"!
GiurjJanavar 3 years ago
Long live Osetia!By the way Sythins influnced jn Eastern Slavonic tribes and Alans played an important role in ethnogenesis of the first Don & Old Azov cossacks
ingor86 3 years ago
1)Why does not Iran give independence to Kurds?)))
2)Scythians were not aborigine of Caucasus as Ossetians are not(but I think now Ossetians became it)
3)Whole Caucasus never was ruled by Scythians
4)Scythians=people, belonging to the East Iranian branch of the Indo-European family,but they had mach in common with Slavs.
5)English people belong to Indo-European family and do you Iranians think that they are not you cousins as Scythians and Ossetinians ?
lol
GiurjJanavar 4 years ago
kurds are also an iranian people who speak a branch of Iranian languages.Actually kurds who live outside iran should also join Iran(their relatives)when Iran gets a better system/government.English never speak or spoke iranian/iranic language,we dont even count them as the cousins of our cousins :D, but we count osetians as our bros/cousins. But u have to know that the iranism movement still has to grow,its still like an egg.The baby chicken comes out when Iran get a nationalist government.
Iranium 3 years ago
English people are Indo-Europeans as Iranians and you should count them as cousins of our cousins! Not only English people,you have to count as yours Gypsies to!
At last every person comes from Adam and all people are brothers!)
GiurjJanavar 3 years ago
1)Why does not Iran give independence to Kurds?)))
2)Scythians were not aborigine of Caucasus as Ossetians are not(but I think now Ossetians became it)
3)
GiurjJanavar 4 years ago
giuri, you are an idiot, because iran is land of aryans and belong to all aryans and kiurds are iranians so why should kurds be separate? iran is not persia, iran is the land of all tribes of aour family, you are manipulated by russians and americans
Fravahar 3 years ago
Mr.Khosro Fravahar! At first why did you insult me?(You have nice account with good videos and I think you're well-educated person and it's shame!)I'm a Giurji why do you call me giuri?)
Aryans were only high estate in old Persia.Maybe Kurds belong Indo-European people,but it's not hindrance to have own state separately from Iran and they wish it.
Iran is only new name of Persia!Why do you think that I'm manipulated by Russians and Americans?
GiurjJanavar 3 years ago
giurji, read history and then talk please, we iranian called our land all the time iran and not persia, only foreigners used to use persia, so some iranian outside iran due to the country in europe or usa use this term, but inside iran all the time they say iran, see shahname ferdosi over 720 times iran, see karname ardeshir babakan 3th century, see even law papers of ghajar dynasty or sfavid books, i dont like people like u, who abuse history for populist lies
Fravahar 3 years ago
Ossetian are the descendents of Sythians, Alans and Sarmatians. All of them are categorized to the Group of Iranian, but they speak an other dialect.
PersianCyrus 4 years ago
All doomed... All this is soon going to disappear whether they like it or not. Western culture has engulfed China, Japan, Australia, most of Africa, and all America. It will soon take care of the Middle and Central Asia too.
It's just a simple matter of time. Resistance is futile!
Kostagh 4 years ago
Why do you care about oSSETIA?)
GiurjJanavar 4 years ago
we care about all Iranian ethnics, we should be united we should protect each other! we didn't in the past and we were screwed by many fuckers including Arabs, Mongols! Turks and MOF Britain!
persiaforever 4 years ago 2
pussiaforever, you're an impolite! Georgians made a lot of good things to Persia,but persians...
I like Saadi,Hapez,Omar Khayam,Jellal-Ed-Din-Rum,but I hate Shah-Abas and Georgians killed half of Persian army in 17th century.
Osetinians and Persians aren't same!
GiurjJanavar 4 years ago
pussiaforever huh? Georgians are supporting turks! i don't like it! turks are murderers and are still killing my Kurd brothers day and night!
persiaforever 4 years ago
we still have this dance in Iran, in our weddings and birthdays, i saw a knife dancing in a south Iranian family from Hourmozgan! u know how much distance is between hourmozgan to ossetia? hourmozgan is near the Persian gulf...Iranian culture and Iranian people forever...
persiaforever 4 years ago
this is caucasian knife dance!! not iranian in origin!!, every nation has some kind of knife dance but this is caucasian, not iranic nor turkic nor arabic
Sawserok 4 years ago
puff! bullshit, ossetians are iranic! and some northern part of Iran is in Caucasus! you can stay in denial forever. dont forget that the whole Caucasus was ruled by Iranian ethnics in the ancient world (scythians)
persiaforever 4 years ago 2
once rulled before 2000 years ago, but you obviosly dont know that before those iranians there were native people, i know ossetians are iranic, and you too, so why both of you dont got the same culture except the language? why do ossetians have caucasian culture and you got some kind of eastern culture?, nobody learns from nomads, nomads learn from natives
Sawserok 4 years ago
sawderok, iranian is a linguistic issue too and cultural, iran is our common family and ossetians are the brothers of us iranian
Fravahar 3 years ago
2000 years ago?? the turkmenchay treaty was in 1824 not 2000 years ago which meant iran will hand over the khanate of shirvan (dagestan and most of azerbaijan) khanate of abkhaz, khanate of irevan (armenia, parts of georgia) and other teretories to the north of river aras!! Caucasian culture specially Lezgi influence is still dominant in Iranian Azerbiajan and Talysh region of Iran.
CaspianAryan 3 years ago
sawserok, as iranian i respect teh ossetian culture but they are aour brothers too, get it in your mind or just read books, iroon is the language of them and irooni means in persian lamguage iranian, just read books
Fravahar 3 years ago
as long as its not a caspian tatar, im good
Yerevan87 4 years ago
XORJJJJJJJ
helvarek 4 years ago
Super music, super dance. It's joyful to watch.
Bolatberjey 4 years ago
lan azerbyjanturk amına kodumun olu ananı gürcülermi sikti orospu cocugu begenmiyosan seyretme amına kodugumun olu ananı sikerim pij bacısını siktigim kafiri ya
ironnart 4 years ago 2
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Ossetian dance sucks. Georgia dance are best!
AzerbayjanTURK 4 years ago
hey asshole turk motherfucker lick my Parsi ass and go fuck your Mongol descendent goats!
persiaforever 4 years ago 2
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Thats stupid. Only people in depression can listen to this shit or watch to this dance.
AzerbayjanTURK 4 years ago
yeah and i jerk of when i listen and watch ur music!
persiaforever 4 years ago
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It's bad danced Georgian dance "Khanjluri":)
GiurjJanavar 4 years ago
:) hahaha. funny...
Bolatberjey 4 years ago
hey joonevar! shut the fuck up and respect others specially Iranians and Persians cause they did a lot to your nation in history
persiaforever 4 years ago
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INGUSH POWER
ossetian are not alan,go back to iran and u ve got a piece of our ingushetia thanks to the other mothefuckers,russians
respect georgians and muslim of caucasus
osstein-hater 4 life!
islam11123 4 years ago
hate yourself us much as poseble
lndplv 4 years ago
hate yourself us much as poseble
lndplv 4 years ago
That's not a dance, that's circus. If you want to see real Ossetian dance and a great dancer, check out Nodar Pliev!
geus1 4 years ago
esaaaaaaaaaaaa
dagasex 4 years ago
kinzhala-pliov nahren!
PurCitron 4 years ago
i'm Armenian and i love ossetia & ossetian dances (qaige makal)
goodb0y1985 4 years ago 2
why dont you love Georgian or azerbaidzjan dance? or chechen you stupid hater? what the fuck is so great about this?
HERERRA777 4 years ago
Our (Ossetian) dances are the best in the world!
karleg 4 years ago
fuck you!
HERERRA777 4 years ago
BRAVO! Its our man. :-)
legioner1945 5 years ago
salam narod,eto legendarnii "Alan", dzhigit!!
kavkazgirl 5 years ago