If people cannot the clear teaching of God's sovereignty as taught so simply here, than they just disagree with the Scriptures, and no man or woman could ever help them! Only God's grace could open such a stubborn and closed heart, soul, and spirit! It really is that simple, folks! You have to want to believe the lie if you can't accept these very simple Scriptures that proves God does whatever he pleases, always!!! In Christ's Agape Love, BobbyK
NAME BLOTTED OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE IF WE DO NOT OVERCOME (this is by the Power of God of Course but we must be a part of it because WE ARE) John 3:16 WHOSOEVER WILL Then Means NOTHING in ETERNAL SECURITY & ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED! Eternal Security Stinks from the Pits of Hell!
Be careful friends that you do not hear this and feel intimidated if you disagree with Mr. White. You absolutely CAN believe in free will and still be a believer of God's sovereignty, God's grace, God's justice, and the sufficiency of His grace. Search the scriptures for yourself, pray, and let the Holy Spirit guide you. Listen to other sides of this doctrine and they will provide other verses.
@tulipsRonlyflowers In expected fashion,#1once again no refutation of biblical texts given or even comment #2 blanket statement as if fact, yet with no biblical argumentation nor defining of what is meant by Free will. #3 Its not that a person cannot have A BELIEF in God's sovereignty, grace, its sufficiency,& God' justice, question is: What is that belief&is it the biblical one?#4 Man needs the Holy Spirit's guidance 2 rightfully understand scripture?How reformed! #5 its eisegesis vs.exegesis
@all4Hisgloryalone "in expected fashion...once again" (not necessary) #1 - Here's my biblical text: Acts17:11 "...examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so..." I realize that's not what you want but that's the scripture that relates to my point & I know you agree with it as well. My fear is that people will listen to James White who speaks in an intimidating nature and will be afraid to disagree with him.
@all4Hisgloryalone #2,#3 Not enough room here & I'm simply encouraging people who don't have a peace about this. N. Geisler's book Chosen but Free is full of exegesis of MUCH biblical text, & Chip Ingram has a series on the Sovereignty of God. Most of all, examine the scriptures for yourself w/ the guidance of the Holy Spirit vs. White. (4)Yes, the Holy Spirit guides, that's BIBLICAL although (I'm sure we disagree here) we can reject/ignore His guidance. #5 Your opinion that it's eisegesis.
"Check out my YouTube channel/playlists and websites for present-truth materials, Three Angels' Messages and God's last-mercy warning to His people in these last days.
Papacy = Antichrist / Little Horn / Beast from the Sea
Roman Catholicism = Whore of Babylon
Investigative Judgement has commenced in 1844 (1st Angel’s Message)
Ellen G. White, 1827-1915 = End-time Prophet Sent of God
7th-day Sabbath = Seal of God
Sunday Worship to be Enforced as Mark of the Beast""
Check out my YouTube channel/playlists and websites for present-truth materials, Three Angels' Messages and God's last-mercy warning to His people in these last days.
Papacy = Antichrist / Little Horn / Beast from the Sea
Roman Catholicism = Whore of Babylon
Investigative Judgement has commenced in 1844 (1st Angel’s Message)
Ellen G. White, 1827-1915 = End-time Prophet Sent of God
7th-day Sabbath = Seal of God
Sunday Worship to be Enforced as Mark of the Beast"
This is not Reformed Theology! Calvinism is not Reformed Theology. Why does White continue to spread this false label? Reformed Theology yes is based on the Scripture but it is based on the Confessions not Calvinism. So bad.
Grace would not change one bit if all humans died less one. God would offer Grace. It is God's Gift. But a gift is not given unless it is acceptance. Grace is offered by God, and we as humans must accept the gift. the motivation to accept the gift comes from God. God want to save, desires, but Love is a choice. Are we just robots to God? God can do anything. God does not fail if we choose, we do. God did not fail, we do. The bible does teach this, Dr. White twists the truth.
@MRGV7373 Where are you scripture verses? Dr white twists the truth? is that what's going on here? or is it that in your system of theology the idea that God is truely the CREATOR of man and is SOVEREIGN in all things is just nonsense. Because man Just have to have a choice when it comes to there own destiny The all powerful man is the finisher of his faith and he is the one who saves himself by his OWN atonomus choice.
@Rmacc17 God is Sovereign in all things. God has given by His sovereign choice, a free will to humans. See John 6:28. Humans have the choice to work for God by believing in God's sovereign plan of savation or to go on doing human behaviors thinking that they please God. God is the creator of us all. God has given humans, out of love, the ablility to choose to follow God or to be self centered. God is the finisher of faith in cooperation of humans. It is a partnership not a dictatorship.
@MRGV7373 How can we have a free will choice to choose between two points Good and Evil God and our own sinful nature if we are referred to by the scriptures as SLAVES to sin.Romans 6:20. Tell me how can a slave choose not his master unless another master buys him? That is in a sense what happened to us We were dead in our trespasses slaves to sin our righteousness were like filthy rags to God (isaiah 64:4-9) we did not seek or want God (Romans 3 11:18) I understand we have a Free will but
@Rmacc17 We are dead to God by sin but not blind to truth. Roman 1:19-21 So people know that God exists and can see the Good in God. Even a slave know the difference between freedom and slavery. A slave can choose freedom or slavory? Yes, if you give them the openness to choose. We might not want to seek or want God but who controls that? Humans do. John 6:28 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son... We must look and God is very attractive. 2 way street.
@MRGV7373 (Continue) I understand we have a Free will but our will cannot superscede our nature which is infact sinful. It's like I am finite human i cannot fly even though I will to do so soooo bad. Doesn't matter, salvation is not about the one who wills, or runs but by the one who calls! (Romans 9) Read scripture in its entirety Election is throughout the text it is not enough For just a plan, how can God get the Glory and Only God if man is the one who chooses? it is not corparate it is
@MRGV7373 (Continue more) it is not corporate it is singular God Saves and only God saves. Ephesians 2 8:9 (For it is by Grace you have been saved Through Faith, this is not of yourselves it is the Gift of God not by works so that no one can boast.) We know for a fact that without Faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6) But as we just read above in ehpesians this Faith doesn't come autonomsly from ourselves but it is a Gift from God. so how do we have a free will choice again?
@Rmacc17 God does the saving (Gift) and humans must accept the gift from God. (acceptance) This is the contract with humans. So God does the full saving and the gift must be accepted by humans to become saved. John 1:12-13. God gives the power to become His children, We Must recieve but God does the saving. Fully sovereign and fully free. Matt 11:28 Come to me you that are heavy....... We can sit or we can come. God provides but we choose to sit or come. So humans need to decide.
@MRGV7373 First it's John 6:40 the verse you quoted but you didn't look at the context of the text as a whole which is key. What of John 6:37 all that the father gives to the son will come to him. How can the father know whom would choose him unless he predestined before hand a people in which he would save. and if you say he looked in the future to choose DON'T if that were the case that would suggest that God saw something in man that was Good and made his choice based on that which is not
@Rmacc17 John 6:29 is what I quoted. The work that God wants is for humans to believe in His Son. We must work, trutst, choose. All these verses point to human choice, not God. John 6:35 Humans must come, not walk away. Again a Choice. John 6:66-76. They did not follow any more... Again a choice. to follow or walk away. Humans did this. John 4:15 the woman asked for the heavenly water and Jesus gave it to her. SHE had to Ask, she trutsted Jesus and God via Jesus gave it to her.
@MRGV7373 Yes it is true man must respond to the call but that response is not independant of God's call those whom the father has given him will come to him.John 6:37, Romans 9 election God hardens whom he wants and has mercy on whom he pleases the only way God can be truely free is if he elects some and not others. You present a God who wants to save but can't because man is so powerful and he fails when men say no to him
@Rmacc17 Roman 9 is about the natiions of Jacob and Esau. Not the individuals themselves. God loves both of them. Esau came by works of the Flesh and Jacob by faith. Just like what the choise we have. Works of the Law leads to death or faith in Jesus leads to life. God does draw us and , just like any relationship, we can come or not go. God does not fail, he made 100% true offer of Love, Humans fail when we say no. Would God be more or less by what humans choose? Never, God is the same
@Rmacc17 God's offer never fails. All who believe in Jesus are saved. 100% guarantee. So God love is 100% perfect. If humans don't accept salvation, God can deal with this. God accepted Moses lack of faith. Did God fail, no, Moses did not enter the promised land. God offered Judas salvation. Did God fail, No, Judas died in the potters field. Judas failed. God is LOVE. Real LOVE is a choice. A loving relationship is defined as Choice. If no choice then no LOVE. God is Love.
@MRGV7373 thats a nice statement but prove it with exegesis fr the Bible,,,traditions are not scripture and theyre worth nothing unless they're backed by biblical exegesis
@candiceevans1 Unfortunately for your argument the church had existed for more than 300 years before the bible had existed. The church was taught by the apostles who were with Jesus and so through that succession, that tradition, we have the universal church which is taught throughout the whole world today teaching the same message. Don't worry, if your community lasts 2000 years, you too will have a tradition.
@Rmacc17 Man, by God's gift and image of God, was given choice at the time of human creation. Adam and Eve sin was that they wanted the knowlege of good and evil . Adam and Eve's sin was to choose to eat of the fruit. Adam and Eve knew that God did not want them to eat of the fruit. God tested them by giving them free will and Adam and Eve failed. God did not fail. So the power to choose is God's gift to humans and humans can and do violate God's will. God made plans to deal with this.
@MRGV7373 (Continue) true that would mean a salvation based on the works of man! ephesians 2:8:9.that would also suggest that God is not ALL knowing and therefore he had to look into the future to find out something he previously didn't know. That is a violation of his attributes if you remember correctly God is immutable he NEVER CHANGES! God is fully soveriegn and we are Fully Free to choose sin unless the power of God releases us from our prison and grants us repentance and Faith!
@Rmacc17 God does the work of salvation in Jesus. Humans must do their "work" to believe. Again the choice. Full love comes from the ability to choose. A marriage is a covenant relationship.The new testament is a new covenant with God in Jesus. All covenants are between two parties by free choice. Each party chooses to be in the relationship. And in this case, God provides salvation and we freely come to accept that salvation. Does God provide insentives. YES, heaven, peace, forginess
@MRGV7373 You have just described a works based salvation my good sir "Humans must do their "work" to believe"? which completely violates ephesians 2 8:9 You must understand there is nothing we can do to be saved on our own NOTHING AT ALL! that is what it means to be saved by grace alone because up to our own choice we would choose hell! for we loved the darnkness rather than the light because our deeds were evil! we were enemies with God Is love is shown in its fullness when he chooses
@Rmacc17 The Gift is Free, earned by God in Jesus Christ. We humans do not earn this. It is God's Free gift. Faith is how me humans accept the gift. The "work" for humans is to believe.Jesus word is to do this "work".The gift is paid for by God by Jesus on the cross, we did not die, Jesus did. Humans recieve the gift by believing in Jesus.. The work Jesus ask of us is believe in Him.Not the works of the following the Law but the works acceptable to God is Faith, a human belief in the unseen.
@MRGV7373 we are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourselves it is a gift of GOD not of works so that no one may boast you are not even biblical on your comment
@Rmacc17 God has provide the Grace in Jesus to save. Faith/believing is the human step to accept the Grace that God has offered. Humans don't deserve this Grace, Grace is God's gift So God provided the Gift to Humans who make the choice by acceptance of Jesus by faith. Faith belief in thing not seen. John 21:29. Even Thomas had to some by believing. John 12:47. Humans must keep God's words and commands. It is by all means a two way agreement. Two sided agreement expresses Love.
The Potter's choice is that God wanted to make the Israel a nation of God. However, God by Israel action choose to make the Gentiles the new children of God. God can choose to make the gentiles the new chosen nation by belief. Debate is about the frame work of God's plan and the human ability to choose to love God or love ourselves. It is a choice by God. Dr. White make God's plan sound like a "racket." Dr. white makes a covenant relationship with God a game. Shameful and not Godly.
I believe that Dr. White is teaching a twisting of the truth. Romans 9 is all about the nation of Israel , Dr. White makes it about personnel predestination and Individual lack of choice. I think that Dr. White has twisted the truth. Grace is the gift from God, an offer, gift from God. God's part of the agreement, covenant. Our part is to understand the gift, believe that Jesus died for us. The acceptance of God's gift is the part we play. Not that we are worthy of God's Gift. Thechoice
In Reformed Theology, God cannot be all-loving. No omni-benevolent deity would intentionally create billions of sentient beings (souls) for the sole purpose of eternal torture.
@vozuluzov God cannot be all loving? you are speaking as if God's only attribute is that he is "all Loving". What about his holiness? What about his Justice? Have you ever read Romans 9? did you actually pay attention to this video?
@philipatoz Very good point. Calvinism (reformed theology) has absolutely no ground. Its a private interpretation, doctrines of devils, blasphemous, enemies of the cross, spreading like wildfire through churches turning them from the faith in the bible once delivered into synagogues of Satan, destitute of the truth. Calvinism is the darkest religion going today.
matthew 25, " Take heed that no MAN deceive you. For many shall come in MY NAME saying i am Christ; and shall decieve many.. verse 11 says and many false prop[hets shall rise, and shall deceive many. this christ speaking Christians come in his name . the back of the bible says the name jesus was giving to the long awaited PROPHETS so was he prophet or what?....................
IF man has no choice or ability to receive the Gospel, why were Peter and Paul arguing with unbelievers and trying to "CONVINCE" them to believe - as IF they could? They didn't merely share the Gospel, but were clearly trying to convince people to believe in Jesus. This makes no sense IF God just regenerates them. Truthfully, the very fact that a man must first HEAR the Gospel should be a major clue that he has a decision to make, as IF God regenerated them first, why would they need to HEAR it?
Note that when the story of the rich man is told, Jesus doesn't discuss any such necessity of God regenerating the unrepentant - He even speaks of a CHOICE and of whether they are "PERSUADED" - wonder why, IF they have no ability on their own to believe and repent? Jesus said, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one rise from the dead." Not one Scripture says a man is unrepentant because God didn't give him the CAPACITY to obey His commands!
@newbirth, you make one HUGE mistake. No, a man cannot in His own power obey God - man needs God's help. But what you don't seem to get is that God gives man the capacity to obey Him, to understand Him - yet with HIS initiating and help. But a man can also reject ALL God's initiating and truths - beginning with the General Revelation. Scriptures says man CAN resist the Holy Spirit. So IF God commands it, God will help him to understand and obey IF that man is willing - as he can be UNWILLING!
@newbirth, Scripture tells us God does not cause man to sin. And yet you say He chose for most men, before they were alive or had ever sinned, that they would remain trapped in sin and to constantly rebel against Him - not because of THEIR hard hearts or anything they had done, but because that this is the path HE chose for them. If THAT is not causing sin, mayhem and murder, I don't know what is. This belief goes against the very character of God described in Scripture!
@philipatoz And that is why you need to study compatiblism, because we are now getting into territory where I cannot frame the correct words, and I am not going to tread into linguistic territory that I am not familiar with. Others have led me through, but I do not yet know the way enough to lead others through. I commend you to study compatiblism. It will explain why God ordains all and yet is not the author of sin. Please learn that from someone who can explain it better than I.
@newbirth35, note that whenever Jesus or God accuses anyone of being unwilling to repent that it is NEVER mentioned that this is impossible until they are "regenerated" - NO, the clear implication is that they COULD repent, yet are unwilling to obey God in even the small things, much less be willing for God to work on their hearts - as its THEIR hearts that are the problem - NOT that they were made that way. IF God must change us before we can obey, why all the WARNINGS, ACCUSATIONS AND ANGER?
@newbirth, God's choosing of the Elect is not done in absence of His love, mercy, grace and foreknowledge! God chooses per His Holy and righteous Character, based upon His holy criteria. He doesn't just go "any, many, mini-mo" - "you are doomed, you are not." The distant future is like yesterday to God. Would. And as God IS sovereign, you apparently believe He can't give free will or man a choice, if He so desires. Calvinists put limits on our sovereign God and malign His Holy character!
An analogy is that you know a man in great poverty, living in a tin shack by a river. You desire to help this poor man, but you first insist HE must cooperate with YOUR initiatives and help. You'd like to change his life and give him a large sack of money, if he'd only respond to what he already knows of you (that you are good and kind). But you FOREKNOW any further efforts will be useless, as even if he received your sack of money, he'd merely throw it in the river. So you refuse to help him.
God FORE chose (and foreknew) the Elect based upon a strict criteria. The non-Elect are FOREVER UNWILLING to meet that criteria (repentance, faith in Jesus), hence their eternal doom. God knows there is a class of men who, no matter what prompting, initiatives and enlightenment or guidance and help He might approach them with, that THEY WOULD, EVEN STILL, REJECT ALL OF HIS OVERTURES - so to all such UNWILLING RESPONDERS He foreknew and decided their fate before their births - HELL!
Let's be clear, there are serious Scriptural problems with BOTH Five Point Calvinism AND Armenianism. Calvinism denies man's opportunity and ability TO BE WILLING to receive the Gospel at GOD'S prompting and HIS initiating. Yes, God IS Sovereign, so HE must move FIRST, and does to ALL He foreknows will positively respond, yet with HIS prompting and enlightening. The Armenian says man can seek God and find salvation on his own - an obvious denial of God's sovereignty. BOTH are false/unScriptural!
Dear friends. I think the bottom line is that there is no part of Sacred Scripture that directly defends sola scriptura or sola fide. Parts you may quote are open to multiple interpretations, and hence require an infallible authority to interpret them. Otherwise, we're left in the mud of relativism and/or speculation. Christ gave full authority to St. Peter for such a task. This full authority includes the power to hand on his authority. This authority is the Catholic Church.
It seems like James White is only on the scene in order to boost his own ego, and get his nameout there. Everytime i hear the man speak he calls another man ignorant, uneducated, unqualified, and any other name can think of in order to demean them.. He continually bullys 84 year old Dave Hunt and shows him close to zero respect as a brother in Christ. Dave runs an honest, God fearing ministry and has been a blessing to many
Here's the real definition of "Reformed Theology". It's a belief system, that except for stupidity, comes dangerously close to abject blasphemy, as it vacillates somewhere between, but closer to, Roman Catholicism than Biblical Christianity, only instead of deferring all decisions regarding scriptural truth to the Pope, Calvinists defer all interpretation of Biblical truth to Calvin.
Make no mistake, if Calvinists had a way to excommunicate those who condemn TULIP, they would, or worse.
God’s sovereignty is amazing to behold. James White presents a biblical view that should cause us to fall down and worship God and many do. Others just want to argue with God’s sovereignty and denounce it. They wish to lift up men and lower God. The natural fear and love that should arise from God’s sovereignty is missing in most instead there is hatred of God. This is most notable in Norman Geisler.
@newbirth35, if you truly want to make sure you have a balanced view of this subject, MAKE SURE you also read Norman Geisler's "Chosen But Free" in which he Scripturally defends both God's sovereignty and also shows how he HAS indeed given man responsibility for either accepting or rejecting God's gracefully offered, totally unearnable and unmerited choice, to either accept or reject Christ. Get the version in which Geisler responds to James White's subsequently written, "The Potters Freedom."
@philipatoz Normal Geisler's book was "Chosen But Free" and I tried to read it and struggled through most of it. It is one of the worst books I have ever read. I thought "Is this the best the Arminians can do?" I was hoping that it would make a cogent argument for free will, but no such luck. And yes, I have the second edition with the response, and the response was, if possible, worse than the rest of the book.
I found that "The Potter's Freedom" made a much better argument.
@newbirth35, and no doubt the reason you don't like Geisler's response is, not because it isn't SCRIPTURALLY supported, but that it contradicts the man-made Calvinist box that the Five Pointers insist God must fit within. But God cannot be contained within the confines of a man-made theology! Strange, isn't it, that Calvinist beliefs don't enter the church for over its first 1,500 years. Strange as well, only a small percentage of saved, inerrancy believing, Jesus honoring Christians accept it!
@philipatoz No, I went to the book hoping to be convinced of the Arminian position. I *was* Arminian and wanted to hold onto those beliefs. The natural man doesn't like Reformed theology, and I certainly didn't. I had major trouble because Geisler would say sometihng, put in a verse reference, and when I looked it up it didn't say anything close to what he claimed. I began having to keep a Bible next to me while I read because I ran across this over and over.
@philipatoz I go where Scripture leads me. Period. And that is why I accept Reformed doctrine - it is taught in the Bible. I don't care who else accept it or not. The Bible says it so I believe it.
@newbirth, The Bible says that God both commands and desires that ALL men come to salvation AND that if they so desire to obey him that He will make it possible AND complete it. Calvinism teaches that God doomed certain men before they were ever born or had ever committed the first sin - that they were never to have even a chance or opportunity at salvation, NOT because they were unwilling to accept His free offer of salvation, but supposedly because He did not want them to have even the chance.
@philipatoz You make it seem that people want salvation and God withholds it. The truth is that NO ONE wants it. We don't desire it unless God causes us to desire it! God is glorified both in having a remnant of His own, but also in His justice.
@newbirth - correct, no man naturally desires God - nor truly seeks Him. However, man IS born with the ability to either embrace or reject the overtures of God (note even those, alive now, without the Gospel, have already rejected the truth He has already given them). Scripture says man CAN resist the Holy Spirit. So He's given ALL a choice. God foreknows all who would be willing to respond positively to His overtures, yet HE MUST and WILL reach FIRST to all such men, leading them to salvation.
@philipatoz Actually, Romans 8:30 says that God does not call all men, but those He does call are justified and glorified. And John 6:44 says that all who are drawn are raised up (to eternal life). Verse 37 in similar.
There are no "overtures" other than the general grace (sun, moon, food, etc.) He gives to all men. We have no ability to accept God on our own; the Scripture is clear about this in many places (for example Rom. 3:10 [quoting Psalm 14:3].
@newbirth35, you are confusing two different things: Acts 17:30 says God commands "ALL MEN, EVERYWHERE" to repentance. Does God command things He expects us to do, albeit with His help? But we must be WILLING - the non-Elect are not! Does God DESIRE men rebel against Him? Absolutely NOT! God doesn't call the non-Elect as He foreknows they will reject ANY further overture (He's already given them knowledge of Him and His divine nature.). He will do no more because they've already rejected THAT!
@philipatoz God commands it; that does not mean that men are able. In fact, 2 Tim. 2:25 says that repentance is *granted by God.* That's not just wooing - that is effectual calling for the elect. No man is willing to come to Christ until God takes out our heart of stone and gives us a heart of flesh (Ez. 36:26). Only then will we be willing.
And BTW, "foreknow" is an active verb. It is not God merely passively taking in knowledge of what we will do.
@newbirth35, so you believe God commands something He does not truly desire us to do? Really? God tells us he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, that He desires ALL men come to salvation? God says for even US to love our enemies, to pray for them, to show compassion to ALL. Yet you believe God doesn't live up to even what He requires of Believers? You think God can operate outside of His values of love, mercy and grace? God is much more than justice, Thank God! Mercy, Love, Grace!!!
@philipatoz God commands us to "be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect." Do you think we can do that in this life? None of us can! So yes, we are commanded to do things that are impossible - for man. But "with God all things are possible." He saves us if it it His good pleasure (Eph. 1:9), or He doesn't. *We* have nothing to do with it. Can you take out your heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh, or is that an act of God alone?
@newbirth35, IF God is not unhappy with man's rebellion, why would He angrily denounce their rebellion throughout Scripture, accusing them of harboring (THEIR) hard hearts? NO, they cannot save themselves or even desire God without His help and enlightenment, but they must first must be willing to respond to God's initiatives, and He foreknew no amount of His love or enlightenment would ever change their hard hearts - and thus He chose before their births such rebellious people He would reject!
@philipatoz "but they must first must be willing to respond to God's initiatives"
And my whole point is that none of us would ever be willing unless God first sovereignly changes our hearts. None of us would choose Him unless He first chose us!
Lane - Thanks so much for these. I'm just beginning to look into and believe the Doctrines of Grace - certainly not popular! I've been listening to Dr. White's podcasts for quite some time and finally read "The Potter's Freedom." Scripture certainly seems to be on his side so thanks for the resources on your channel so I can learn more.
@philipatoz mate, The Potter's Freedom is by James White. Chosen But Free (2nd edition i think?) is Geisler's response. I think that's what you meant? White's response to Geisler's is on his channel.
If you disagree with his lesson on the Doctrines of Grace then please support your belief with God’s word not foul language or your opinion. God’s word will defend its own truth. Bring your evidence from there. Thanks.
James White is a very dangrous false teacher ladden with Pagan phyylosophy bound to send people to hell. He has no knowledge of God neither is he born again. In a nut shell, this man is denying man's repentance & walk with God. What ever happend to God's Purpose:
"The LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, [and] to prove thee, to know what [was] in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments," or no Deut 8: 2.
Friend the day of our Lord will be terrible. For this reason he said, many will be ashamed on that day. If you do not understand Deut 8: 2, it is because the god of this world have blinded your mind. God never changed in his dealing with mankind and this is the very thing Satan, through James White, uses to scatter God's flock Jer 23:1. What has wheat to do with chaff ? We do not learn God in Seminaries, it is given by God. Pray for discernment you obviously lack this.
The Bible was written for the Poor, even unlearned people who are rich in Christ to whom God clearly states the Kingdom of heaven belongs to Psalm 113:7-9; Matth 5:3. Away with bogus and confusing swelling theological jargon that confuses the heirs of the kingdom of heaven and conceal heresies.
Perhaps you should study through R.C. Sproul. Sproul has some excellent CDs teachings on his site: Ligonier.org
I think if you get some of Sproul's DVDs, CDs, books or follow his radio program it will help you understand. Follow along in your Bible and try to listen without preconceived ideas blocking the information. This is a multi-layered, dense subject. Christ's doctrine is not difficult when He opens you eyes. Pray for Truth and he will open your eyes.
RC Sproul is a decieved false teacher who preaches after the flesh like others. Don't you understand that all churches are apostate highplaces & preaches and teachers all hirelings?
Get prepared, you will have a shock wave of your life when God unleashes his 2 Witnesses of Revelation 11, They will wreck havoc on all false teachers, preachers, & prophets and this satanic world system they serve. If God said they will roar and will take their prey, you bet they will.
This tape goes a little chipmunk at about a half hour in. Instead of "Alllllllllvin" its "Calllllvin." LOL.
As long as the Armenians view God's Plan from the interest and perspective of man, rather than from God's interest and perspective, nothing about God's sovereignty will make sense to them.
God saved me to make me happy? No, God saved me so that He is glorified.
Indeed, the idea that there is a god who totally controls everything and randomly chooses to punish a large part of his creatures eternally for being as he created them is not only morally depraved, it is also absurd. Which puppeteer would punish his puppets for doing what he made them do? Can you think of anything more pointless than this?
What I find most reprehensible about his theology is the complete lack of compassion, well, of any decent morals, on the side of its proponents. So they believe that many if not most will go to hell for acts which they are not responsible (as we are all god's puppets), and they think that this eternal tortures somehow "glorifies" their god. And they dare call this "just". How sickening! Fortunately, there is no reason to think that this god exists...
Ok then we are just puppets with God's hand shoved up our ass? And by no merit or fault of our own we are sent to heaven or hell, so that God can prove that he is the boss? FUBAR!
Reform Theology revealed to me that it is God who get ALL the glory — it's ALL His work ... I'm the benefactor & cause of NoThinG ... He called me & I could Not resist His call. He made me so that I would NOT resist — Its ALL about Him & He shares His glory with NO one. He is the cause of ALL causes!!
@ardineh123 You are so right, until you study and allow God to open your eyes you rant saying this can't true! God is not unfair, making mindless puppets, etc. All these type of comments are made through a worldly thought, focusing on man. When I ws first introduced to the doctrine of Grace, I felt as these others. Thank God He opened my eyes to TRUTH. Only God gets the GLORY. Humanism is an approach in study, philosophy, or practice that focuses on human values and concerns. This is the error.
Scripture is clear that we are saved by faith and that works come out of faith they are the fruits of faith and so no man earns salvation but salvation is a gift from God and can never be sold because this gift is freely given because the price paid for salvation which is the holy and precious blood of our savior Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke scripture to the devil and sanhedrin so why not we follow His example today.
You: "The church of Jesus Christ is built on the Word of God."
Jesus: "And I tell you, you are Peter (kepha), and on this rock (kepha) I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18)
The Church of Jesus Christ is the holy Catholic Church.
@nuduaspiaggia Yes, the church is the bride of Christ. The church is the catholic church, meaning every single christian believer. The elect of God is the bride of Christ, and no one outside of the church will be saved. Pope John Paul 2 kissed the Quran. The Quran denies the resurrection and the divinity of our Lord.The RCC believes that muslims,atheists and pagans can be saved as muslims,atheists, and pagans. The Church of Jesus Christ? Obviously not. Obviousely not!!
@tr0za You're so amazingly wrong. There's a difference between the ignorant Muslim who does not truly know about Christ and His Church and the Protestant who daily denies Christ.
@nuduaspiaggia How can a protestant daily deny Christ our Lord and Saviour, the Alpha and the Omega, the great I Am? You seem to want to excuse muslims as being ignorant. Romans 1:20 - For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
The RCC teaches the necessity of faith and works. That faith means faith in Christ as the risen Lord.
@tr0za Muslims can be ignorant, but Protestantism is based on the denial of Christ. You deny the Eucharist. You deny His Church and the promises He made to her.
As for faith and works. You must have both. Faith without works is a dead faith! (read James)
@nuduaspiaggia I know Catholics believe in Faith and Works. What I am asking is do Catholics believe that atheists, muslims and pagans have faith and works?
Can you really say that someone who denies the existence of God, has faith? How can the RCC possibly say that non-christians have both faith and works?
@tr0za We don't determine whether someone has faith expressed through works, God does. We do not claim to know where an individual goes after death, but we can know the probability of where he'll go. Those who are invincibly ignorant cannot be responsible for knowing Jesus Christ, but might be saved as Noah was saved--that is up to God. However, the Protestant know Christ, but every day rejects His holy Church, making it infinitely more difficult for him, than for a Catholic, to enter heaven.
6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.7By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family...Hebrews11. Noah,Abraham,everyone must believe God exists in order to please God.Atheists do not believe God exists,therefore they have no faith.Muslims have the spirit of anti-christ(1John 2:22),so do pagans.
@nuduaspiaggia Also there is no excuse for anyone-Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse...It is actually impossible for anyone to enter heaven, unless it is God who saves.Romans 1:16-I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:...'''
"You can no longer assume . . . has a Biblical view of God's sovereignty." So true. So very, very true. This was my case. I had no idea of God's sovereignty. Once someone explained it to me however, I was like . . . oh, of course, well now that makes perfect sense. Vast portions of the Bible that had been a mystery to me suddenly made sense, not to mention Calvinism itself, it suddenly made equal sense too.
@ChristianFirefighter Many millions do; it's called Lutheranism. Sorry, but Luther only wanted to reform the Church;but she was so ponderous and corrupt she exploded. Sola Fide brother. God bless you.
God through the scripture provides us with:teaching, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness. Therefore or so that, the man of God may be adequate and equipped for every good work. Scripture is sufficient. Besides that, reformed protestants believe in the one holy catholic apostolic church..That is, all saints who continue in the teaching of the apostles. 2Tim 3:14-17
@tr0za Until separated Protestants fully comprehend this passage, they will never enjoy the Fullness of Truth: "And I tell YOU, YOU are Peter, and on THIS rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give YOU the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Don't settle for a mere shadow of the Truth brothers, come home now to the Catholic Church.
@ChristianFirefighter Actually we do comprehend this passage. Scripture is not incomprehensible. So you believe that Peter is the rock upon which Jesus referred to? As a catholic, you don't know what that verse is really saying, because it hasn't been infallible interpreted. I'm tired of catholic apologists telling me I need an infallible interpreter, all the while interpreting scripture for themselves.If you can interpret scripture, so can we.
How sad that this is a response to "Catholic Apologists destroy Sola Scriptura".
While I do not agree the Catholics, the heresy of Calvinism is just going to get them all the more confused about what grace is.
For those of you who don't know, Romans 4:5 clearly makes a distiction between faith and works.
In other words, it is not a work to merely will (as calvinists imagine), and it does not give us a reason to boast. But we would have a reason to boast if we were saved by works.
@Jesse859 Faith is not a work of the Law, but it is something we do. Calvinists believe it is something God gives to His people, while Arminians believe it is something we give to God. Some have faith and some do not. Calvinists believe salvation is all of grace, arminians believe grace makes us able, but it is up to the man's heart to respond. Some heart's choose to follow, and some do not. Why don't they follow? SIN. Why would they follow? A heart after God. Arminianism is not christian.
@tr0za Note, I didn't say arminians are not christians. They are inconsistently christians, barely christians, but christians none the less. So long as they believe that the blood of Jesus cleanses them from the sin of not having perfect faith, they are christians, otherwise they might believe they need to make up the last 1percent of the God's requirements. Then they wouldn't be christians.
@boomac62 No. Without faith it is impossible to please God(Hebrews 11:6) Another place to read would be Ephesians chapter 2, particularly verse 8. Study and become absorbed in the New Testament. Keep asking, seeking, and knocking for the truth. Pray that He(Jesus) would come alongside and teach you. He did it to me! Shalom!
@boomac62 God graciousely saves us by giving us the gift of faith. It is something God gives to us, not something we give to God. This faith which God gives us, unites us to Christ. Being in Christ, God imputes the righteousness of Jesus onto us, and declares us to be completely holy and righteous. Rom 9:16 - So then, it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. .. Salvation Belongs To Our God!
No, God gave Pharaoh space to repent, but he refused. Has Pharaoh repented and let the Israelites go, He would have been spared. Nineveh was a place full of evil sinners, whose sins had reached heaven, just as the sins of Sodom, and just as with Sodom, God warned them. The difference between Sodom and Nineveh is that the Ninevites chose to respond to God's warnings and repent, while the Sodomites did not. I am not following any religion, man made or other wise, I am believing God's full word
Our churches are full of lost people because people like you tell people a prayer and a dunking will automatically save them.People can't repent and believe unless God gives them a heart of flesh.
The Bible says REPENT AND BELIEVE ,it doesn't say just ask Jesus in your heart.Why didn't Jesus tell the pharisies that.Instead He said,"You don't believe because you are not ONE OF MY SHEEP! My sheep Hear my voice and come when I call.He just told them that they were going to Hell,
Jacob I loved and Esua I hated,God Hated Esua before he was born.Did you not HEAR YOUSELF ASKING THE SAME QUESTION IN ROMAN'S 9 14-15?Your problem is you don't believe the word of God.
Jesus said I choose you,you did not choose me,but man does not like that,they have changed it to,I can take you or leave you,because my will is number 1.
The term "reformed theology" seems a bit contradictory, since the gospel is eternal. The adoption of the reformed theology nomenclature also seems haughty, since Calvinism is not the only product of the reformation, but Arminianism and other theological forms and even cults. I do not place a name on what I believe, since what I believe represents not a logic and teaching of man like Calvin, but a well rounded and correct view of the entire Bible. God hates sin. He loves the sinner. The end.
Neither. Hell was prepared for the Devil, and his angels, and their sin was rebellion against God, while they were already in heaven. Therefore, the Devil and his angels caused their own expulsion from paradise, and so do all who willfully rebel against God and His holy son. We choose hell and send ourselves to hell.
Then you have just called my Lord ,Jesus Christ a liar.Because Jesus said"Fear not the one who can kill the body,but fear Him who can destroy the body and cast the soul in Hell.
The god of Calvinism is a monster. He sends people to hell without doing anything about it when he says he "desires that all men be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth". /Gee, I desire that man to be saved who is drowning but I am not going to throw this life saving device out to him. I'll just sit here and wait for him to drown. He'll try save himself of course but can't". :(
So what's up with Paul calling himself ather in 1 Cor 4:14-15? "I am your father through Christ". Was Paul a sperm donor? Did Paul sin or was it not true that he was their father in a spiritual way? In other words this passage in the Bible is not true and it is impossible for a man to be a father in this way?
2 Chron. 19:7 tells us that God is no respector of persons. If He chooses who goes to hell and who goes to heaven, then this scripture is a lie. Jesus said, "...He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life. John 5:24 all we have to do is believe. I would like to know where to find your scriputure reference so I can look it up, please.
The problem for you is the context. Jehoshaphat was appointing judges telling them to be impartial, as well we are to be impartial in our dealings with fellow believers, God however can choose to save whom he will, read John 6, 7 & 8, and the beginnings at least of Paul's letters, it shows that God chooses those who are saved.
Problem with your statement: "God can choose to save whom He will...God chooses those who are saved."
God chooses you for salvation; He chooses the unsaved to be saved. How can you be saved before God chooses you to be saved? You can't. Also, if God is all-good, He will choose us all to be saved, and we will have to respond with faith and works.
The word sovereignty does not mean that God has to be a bully, or that he has to send a certain amount of people to hell to balance the books or to be a holy God. It is just as possible, and FAR more likely that God's sovereignty is best and Biblically expressed by extending grace to all who will turn to His son Jesus, and repent. Sovereignty without mercy in reference to God would make God evil, because it would make Him the author of sin. God is not the author of sin, but of free will.
We all should be there, and since God does not respect any individual person, it seems that arbitrarily choosing some for heaven, and some for hell is outside of His nature. I do not accuse Calvinists of being a cult, not most of them, but their view of God and of scripture is more often than not, severely off balance.
That'a exactly how we see those who believes that a man can choose God in His unregenerate self,instead of God regenerating the man so he can believe.Does scripture mean ANTHING to you?
Yes, but as I already stated, your theology is off balance, because you deny half of what the gospel teaches and what Jesus and His disciples taught. Yes, aside from God's influence,. all humans would be merely natural creatures, fallen and with no hope. However, since the Holy Spirit is sent to "draw all men to Jesus" and since He "convicts the world of sin, righteousness and judgment" that fallen nature has the opportunity to respond to God's call or to reject it.
That word appointed does not imply a willful appointment, but rather an appointment according to foreknowledge. This simply means that those who were going to be saved, were saved. You need to re-read Romans 8
Yes, I knew that they have been in the book of life since there has been a book of life, however long that is, but again, that is according to foreknowledge,
When God foreknew you that means He knows you imtimately.Jesus said YOU LOVED ME BECAUSE I LOVED YOU FIRIST.He never said I LOVE YOU BECAUSE YOU LOVED ME FIRST.
Exactly. Jesus loved us first, because before we were born, He foreknew us! If all things are equal, and God is not a respecter of the person of an individual human, and ALL are sinners, then what possible purpose could it serve to choose one for heaven, and one for hell? We are after all ALL UNDER SIN. By what method does God then choose a person to burn in hell? It would have to be arbitrary, because no humans deserve heaven
If people cannot the clear teaching of God's sovereignty as taught so simply here, than they just disagree with the Scriptures, and no man or woman could ever help them! Only God's grace could open such a stubborn and closed heart, soul, and spirit! It really is that simple, folks! You have to want to believe the lie if you can't accept these very simple Scriptures that proves God does whatever he pleases, always!!! In Christ's Agape Love, BobbyK
bobby7771117 2 weeks ago
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FormerMPSGT 1 month ago
Be careful friends that you do not hear this and feel intimidated if you disagree with Mr. White. You absolutely CAN believe in free will and still be a believer of God's sovereignty, God's grace, God's justice, and the sufficiency of His grace. Search the scriptures for yourself, pray, and let the Holy Spirit guide you. Listen to other sides of this doctrine and they will provide other verses.
tulipsRonlyflowers 2 months ago
@tulipsRonlyflowers In expected fashion,#1once again no refutation of biblical texts given or even comment #2 blanket statement as if fact, yet with no biblical argumentation nor defining of what is meant by Free will. #3 Its not that a person cannot have A BELIEF in God's sovereignty, grace, its sufficiency,& God' justice, question is: What is that belief&is it the biblical one?#4 Man needs the Holy Spirit's guidance 2 rightfully understand scripture?How reformed! #5 its eisegesis vs.exegesis
all4Hisgloryalone 2 months ago
@all4Hisgloryalone "in expected fashion...once again" (not necessary) #1 - Here's my biblical text: Acts17:11 "...examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so..." I realize that's not what you want but that's the scripture that relates to my point & I know you agree with it as well. My fear is that people will listen to James White who speaks in an intimidating nature and will be afraid to disagree with him.
tulipsRonlyflowers 2 months ago
@all4Hisgloryalone #2,#3 Not enough room here & I'm simply encouraging people who don't have a peace about this. N. Geisler's book Chosen but Free is full of exegesis of MUCH biblical text, & Chip Ingram has a series on the Sovereignty of God. Most of all, examine the scriptures for yourself w/ the guidance of the Holy Spirit vs. White. (4)Yes, the Holy Spirit guides, that's BIBLICAL although (I'm sure we disagree here) we can reject/ignore His guidance. #5 Your opinion that it's eisegesis.
tulipsRonlyflowers 2 months ago
James White's knowledge of rain comes solely from the bible.
skip8619 4 months ago
Great!
LEXX1212 5 months ago
That was incredible!!!!!
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SeventhDayRemnant 8 months ago
This is not Reformed Theology! Calvinism is not Reformed Theology. Why does White continue to spread this false label? Reformed Theology yes is based on the Scripture but it is based on the Confessions not Calvinism. So bad.
tripsnicks 9 months ago
Grace would not change one bit if all humans died less one. God would offer Grace. It is God's Gift. But a gift is not given unless it is acceptance. Grace is offered by God, and we as humans must accept the gift. the motivation to accept the gift comes from God. God want to save, desires, but Love is a choice. Are we just robots to God? God can do anything. God does not fail if we choose, we do. God did not fail, we do. The bible does teach this, Dr. White twists the truth.
MRGV7373 9 months ago
@MRGV7373 Where are you scripture verses? Dr white twists the truth? is that what's going on here? or is it that in your system of theology the idea that God is truely the CREATOR of man and is SOVEREIGN in all things is just nonsense. Because man Just have to have a choice when it comes to there own destiny The all powerful man is the finisher of his faith and he is the one who saves himself by his OWN atonomus choice.
Rmacc17 8 months ago
@Rmacc17 God is Sovereign in all things. God has given by His sovereign choice, a free will to humans. See John 6:28. Humans have the choice to work for God by believing in God's sovereign plan of savation or to go on doing human behaviors thinking that they please God. God is the creator of us all. God has given humans, out of love, the ablility to choose to follow God or to be self centered. God is the finisher of faith in cooperation of humans. It is a partnership not a dictatorship.
MRGV7373 8 months ago
@MRGV7373 How can we have a free will choice to choose between two points Good and Evil God and our own sinful nature if we are referred to by the scriptures as SLAVES to sin.Romans 6:20. Tell me how can a slave choose not his master unless another master buys him? That is in a sense what happened to us We were dead in our trespasses slaves to sin our righteousness were like filthy rags to God (isaiah 64:4-9) we did not seek or want God (Romans 3 11:18) I understand we have a Free will but
Rmacc17 8 months ago
@Rmacc17 We are dead to God by sin but not blind to truth. Roman 1:19-21 So people know that God exists and can see the Good in God. Even a slave know the difference between freedom and slavery. A slave can choose freedom or slavory? Yes, if you give them the openness to choose. We might not want to seek or want God but who controls that? Humans do. John 6:28 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son... We must look and God is very attractive. 2 way street.
MRGV7373 8 months ago
@MRGV7373 (Continue) I understand we have a Free will but our will cannot superscede our nature which is infact sinful. It's like I am finite human i cannot fly even though I will to do so soooo bad. Doesn't matter, salvation is not about the one who wills, or runs but by the one who calls! (Romans 9) Read scripture in its entirety Election is throughout the text it is not enough For just a plan, how can God get the Glory and Only God if man is the one who chooses? it is not corparate it is
Rmacc17 8 months ago
@MRGV7373 (Continue more) it is not corporate it is singular God Saves and only God saves. Ephesians 2 8:9 (For it is by Grace you have been saved Through Faith, this is not of yourselves it is the Gift of God not by works so that no one can boast.) We know for a fact that without Faith it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6) But as we just read above in ehpesians this Faith doesn't come autonomsly from ourselves but it is a Gift from God. so how do we have a free will choice again?
Rmacc17 8 months ago
@Rmacc17 God does the saving (Gift) and humans must accept the gift from God. (acceptance) This is the contract with humans. So God does the full saving and the gift must be accepted by humans to become saved. John 1:12-13. God gives the power to become His children, We Must recieve but God does the saving. Fully sovereign and fully free. Matt 11:28 Come to me you that are heavy....... We can sit or we can come. God provides but we choose to sit or come. So humans need to decide.
MRGV7373 8 months ago
@MRGV7373 First it's John 6:40 the verse you quoted but you didn't look at the context of the text as a whole which is key. What of John 6:37 all that the father gives to the son will come to him. How can the father know whom would choose him unless he predestined before hand a people in which he would save. and if you say he looked in the future to choose DON'T if that were the case that would suggest that God saw something in man that was Good and made his choice based on that which is not
Rmacc17 8 months ago
@Rmacc17 John 6:29 is what I quoted. The work that God wants is for humans to believe in His Son. We must work, trutst, choose. All these verses point to human choice, not God. John 6:35 Humans must come, not walk away. Again a Choice. John 6:66-76. They did not follow any more... Again a choice. to follow or walk away. Humans did this. John 4:15 the woman asked for the heavenly water and Jesus gave it to her. SHE had to Ask, she trutsted Jesus and God via Jesus gave it to her.
MRGV7373 8 months ago
@MRGV7373 Yes it is true man must respond to the call but that response is not independant of God's call those whom the father has given him will come to him.John 6:37, Romans 9 election God hardens whom he wants and has mercy on whom he pleases the only way God can be truely free is if he elects some and not others. You present a God who wants to save but can't because man is so powerful and he fails when men say no to him
Rmacc17 8 months ago
@Rmacc17 Roman 9 is about the natiions of Jacob and Esau. Not the individuals themselves. God loves both of them. Esau came by works of the Flesh and Jacob by faith. Just like what the choise we have. Works of the Law leads to death or faith in Jesus leads to life. God does draw us and , just like any relationship, we can come or not go. God does not fail, he made 100% true offer of Love, Humans fail when we say no. Would God be more or less by what humans choose? Never, God is the same
MRGV7373 8 months ago
@MRGV7373 So God loves the nation of Jacob and hates the nation of Esau! hahahhahaha
SAUNDERSacts2618 7 months ago
@Rmacc17 God's offer never fails. All who believe in Jesus are saved. 100% guarantee. So God love is 100% perfect. If humans don't accept salvation, God can deal with this. God accepted Moses lack of faith. Did God fail, no, Moses did not enter the promised land. God offered Judas salvation. Did God fail, No, Judas died in the potters field. Judas failed. God is LOVE. Real LOVE is a choice. A loving relationship is defined as Choice. If no choice then no LOVE. God is Love.
MRGV7373 8 months ago
@MRGV7373 thats a nice statement but prove it with exegesis fr the Bible,,,traditions are not scripture and theyre worth nothing unless they're backed by biblical exegesis
candiceevans1 6 months ago
@candiceevans1 Unfortunately for your argument the church had existed for more than 300 years before the bible had existed. The church was taught by the apostles who were with Jesus and so through that succession, that tradition, we have the universal church which is taught throughout the whole world today teaching the same message. Don't worry, if your community lasts 2000 years, you too will have a tradition.
WSJenken 3 weeks ago
@Rmacc17 Man, by God's gift and image of God, was given choice at the time of human creation. Adam and Eve sin was that they wanted the knowlege of good and evil . Adam and Eve's sin was to choose to eat of the fruit. Adam and Eve knew that God did not want them to eat of the fruit. God tested them by giving them free will and Adam and Eve failed. God did not fail. So the power to choose is God's gift to humans and humans can and do violate God's will. God made plans to deal with this.
MRGV7373 8 months ago
@MRGV7373 (Continue) true that would mean a salvation based on the works of man! ephesians 2:8:9.that would also suggest that God is not ALL knowing and therefore he had to look into the future to find out something he previously didn't know. That is a violation of his attributes if you remember correctly God is immutable he NEVER CHANGES! God is fully soveriegn and we are Fully Free to choose sin unless the power of God releases us from our prison and grants us repentance and Faith!
Rmacc17 8 months ago
@Rmacc17 God does the work of salvation in Jesus. Humans must do their "work" to believe. Again the choice. Full love comes from the ability to choose. A marriage is a covenant relationship.The new testament is a new covenant with God in Jesus. All covenants are between two parties by free choice. Each party chooses to be in the relationship. And in this case, God provides salvation and we freely come to accept that salvation. Does God provide insentives. YES, heaven, peace, forginess
MRGV7373 8 months ago
@MRGV7373 You have just described a works based salvation my good sir "Humans must do their "work" to believe"? which completely violates ephesians 2 8:9 You must understand there is nothing we can do to be saved on our own NOTHING AT ALL! that is what it means to be saved by grace alone because up to our own choice we would choose hell! for we loved the darnkness rather than the light because our deeds were evil! we were enemies with God Is love is shown in its fullness when he chooses
Rmacc17 8 months ago
@Rmacc17 The Gift is Free, earned by God in Jesus Christ. We humans do not earn this. It is God's Free gift. Faith is how me humans accept the gift. The "work" for humans is to believe.Jesus word is to do this "work".The gift is paid for by God by Jesus on the cross, we did not die, Jesus did. Humans recieve the gift by believing in Jesus.. The work Jesus ask of us is believe in Him.Not the works of the following the Law but the works acceptable to God is Faith, a human belief in the unseen.
MRGV7373 8 months ago
@MRGV7373 we are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourselves it is a gift of GOD not of works so that no one may boast you are not even biblical on your comment
patriotsfan1379 7 months ago
@Rmacc17 God has provide the Grace in Jesus to save. Faith/believing is the human step to accept the Grace that God has offered. Humans don't deserve this Grace, Grace is God's gift So God provided the Gift to Humans who make the choice by acceptance of Jesus by faith. Faith belief in thing not seen. John 21:29. Even Thomas had to some by believing. John 12:47. Humans must keep God's words and commands. It is by all means a two way agreement. Two sided agreement expresses Love.
MRGV7373 8 months ago
The Potter's choice is that God wanted to make the Israel a nation of God. However, God by Israel action choose to make the Gentiles the new children of God. God can choose to make the gentiles the new chosen nation by belief. Debate is about the frame work of God's plan and the human ability to choose to love God or love ourselves. It is a choice by God. Dr. White make God's plan sound like a "racket." Dr. white makes a covenant relationship with God a game. Shameful and not Godly.
MRGV7373 9 months ago
I believe that Dr. White is teaching a twisting of the truth. Romans 9 is all about the nation of Israel , Dr. White makes it about personnel predestination and Individual lack of choice. I think that Dr. White has twisted the truth. Grace is the gift from God, an offer, gift from God. God's part of the agreement, covenant. Our part is to understand the gift, believe that Jesus died for us. The acceptance of God's gift is the part we play. Not that we are worthy of God's Gift. Thechoice
MRGV7373 9 months ago
In Reformed Theology, God cannot be all-loving. No omni-benevolent deity would intentionally create billions of sentient beings (souls) for the sole purpose of eternal torture.
vozuluzov 9 months ago
@vozuluzov God cannot be all loving? you are speaking as if God's only attribute is that he is "all Loving". What about his holiness? What about his Justice? Have you ever read Romans 9? did you actually pay attention to this video?
Rmacc17 8 months ago
@philipatoz Very good point. Calvinism (reformed theology) has absolutely no ground. Its a private interpretation, doctrines of devils, blasphemous, enemies of the cross, spreading like wildfire through churches turning them from the faith in the bible once delivered into synagogues of Satan, destitute of the truth. Calvinism is the darkest religion going today.
TheKJVberean 10 months ago
matthew 25, " Take heed that no MAN deceive you. For many shall come in MY NAME saying i am Christ; and shall decieve many.. verse 11 says and many false prop[hets shall rise, and shall deceive many. this christ speaking Christians come in his name . the back of the bible says the name jesus was giving to the long awaited PROPHETS so was he prophet or what?....................
TheWork81 11 months ago
Sola Scriptura? 2 Thess 2:15 & Hebrews 13:17
MrOphachew 1 year ago
People you will always find far better and much more helpful answers at w w w .e w t n . c o m Check out ""The Journey Home" on ewtn.
MrOphachew 1 year ago
IF man has no choice or ability to receive the Gospel, why were Peter and Paul arguing with unbelievers and trying to "CONVINCE" them to believe - as IF they could? They didn't merely share the Gospel, but were clearly trying to convince people to believe in Jesus. This makes no sense IF God just regenerates them. Truthfully, the very fact that a man must first HEAR the Gospel should be a major clue that he has a decision to make, as IF God regenerated them first, why would they need to HEAR it?
philipatoz 1 year ago
Note that when the story of the rich man is told, Jesus doesn't discuss any such necessity of God regenerating the unrepentant - He even speaks of a CHOICE and of whether they are "PERSUADED" - wonder why, IF they have no ability on their own to believe and repent? Jesus said, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one rise from the dead." Not one Scripture says a man is unrepentant because God didn't give him the CAPACITY to obey His commands!
philipatoz 1 year ago
@newbirth, you make one HUGE mistake. No, a man cannot in His own power obey God - man needs God's help. But what you don't seem to get is that God gives man the capacity to obey Him, to understand Him - yet with HIS initiating and help. But a man can also reject ALL God's initiating and truths - beginning with the General Revelation. Scriptures says man CAN resist the Holy Spirit. So IF God commands it, God will help him to understand and obey IF that man is willing - as he can be UNWILLING!
philipatoz 1 year ago
@newbirth, Scripture tells us God does not cause man to sin. And yet you say He chose for most men, before they were alive or had ever sinned, that they would remain trapped in sin and to constantly rebel against Him - not because of THEIR hard hearts or anything they had done, but because that this is the path HE chose for them. If THAT is not causing sin, mayhem and murder, I don't know what is. This belief goes against the very character of God described in Scripture!
philipatoz 1 year ago
@philipatoz And that is why you need to study compatiblism, because we are now getting into territory where I cannot frame the correct words, and I am not going to tread into linguistic territory that I am not familiar with. Others have led me through, but I do not yet know the way enough to lead others through. I commend you to study compatiblism. It will explain why God ordains all and yet is not the author of sin. Please learn that from someone who can explain it better than I.
newbirth35 1 year ago
@newbirth35, note that whenever Jesus or God accuses anyone of being unwilling to repent that it is NEVER mentioned that this is impossible until they are "regenerated" - NO, the clear implication is that they COULD repent, yet are unwilling to obey God in even the small things, much less be willing for God to work on their hearts - as its THEIR hearts that are the problem - NOT that they were made that way. IF God must change us before we can obey, why all the WARNINGS, ACCUSATIONS AND ANGER?
philipatoz 1 year ago
@newbirth, God's choosing of the Elect is not done in absence of His love, mercy, grace and foreknowledge! God chooses per His Holy and righteous Character, based upon His holy criteria. He doesn't just go "any, many, mini-mo" - "you are doomed, you are not." The distant future is like yesterday to God. Would. And as God IS sovereign, you apparently believe He can't give free will or man a choice, if He so desires. Calvinists put limits on our sovereign God and malign His Holy character!
philipatoz 1 year ago
An analogy is that you know a man in great poverty, living in a tin shack by a river. You desire to help this poor man, but you first insist HE must cooperate with YOUR initiatives and help. You'd like to change his life and give him a large sack of money, if he'd only respond to what he already knows of you (that you are good and kind). But you FOREKNOW any further efforts will be useless, as even if he received your sack of money, he'd merely throw it in the river. So you refuse to help him.
philipatoz 1 year ago
God FORE chose (and foreknew) the Elect based upon a strict criteria. The non-Elect are FOREVER UNWILLING to meet that criteria (repentance, faith in Jesus), hence their eternal doom. God knows there is a class of men who, no matter what prompting, initiatives and enlightenment or guidance and help He might approach them with, that THEY WOULD, EVEN STILL, REJECT ALL OF HIS OVERTURES - so to all such UNWILLING RESPONDERS He foreknew and decided their fate before their births - HELL!
philipatoz 1 year ago
Let's be clear, there are serious Scriptural problems with BOTH Five Point Calvinism AND Armenianism. Calvinism denies man's opportunity and ability TO BE WILLING to receive the Gospel at GOD'S prompting and HIS initiating. Yes, God IS Sovereign, so HE must move FIRST, and does to ALL He foreknows will positively respond, yet with HIS prompting and enlightening. The Armenian says man can seek God and find salvation on his own - an obvious denial of God's sovereignty. BOTH are false/unScriptural!
philipatoz 1 year ago
Dear friends. I think the bottom line is that there is no part of Sacred Scripture that directly defends sola scriptura or sola fide. Parts you may quote are open to multiple interpretations, and hence require an infallible authority to interpret them. Otherwise, we're left in the mud of relativism and/or speculation. Christ gave full authority to St. Peter for such a task. This full authority includes the power to hand on his authority. This authority is the Catholic Church.
helpyouseeit 1 year ago
It seems like James White is only on the scene in order to boost his own ego, and get his nameout there. Everytime i hear the man speak he calls another man ignorant, uneducated, unqualified, and any other name can think of in order to demean them.. He continually bullys 84 year old Dave Hunt and shows him close to zero respect as a brother in Christ. Dave runs an honest, God fearing ministry and has been a blessing to many
trackguy2 1 year ago
Here's the real definition of "Reformed Theology". It's a belief system, that except for stupidity, comes dangerously close to abject blasphemy, as it vacillates somewhere between, but closer to, Roman Catholicism than Biblical Christianity, only instead of deferring all decisions regarding scriptural truth to the Pope, Calvinists defer all interpretation of Biblical truth to Calvin.
Make no mistake, if Calvinists had a way to excommunicate those who condemn TULIP, they would, or worse.
MrTruthSword 1 year ago
God’s sovereignty is amazing to behold. James White presents a biblical view that should cause us to fall down and worship God and many do. Others just want to argue with God’s sovereignty and denounce it. They wish to lift up men and lower God. The natural fear and love that should arise from God’s sovereignty is missing in most instead there is hatred of God. This is most notable in Norman Geisler.
clausewitz777 1 year ago
@newbirth35, if you truly want to make sure you have a balanced view of this subject, MAKE SURE you also read Norman Geisler's "Chosen But Free" in which he Scripturally defends both God's sovereignty and also shows how he HAS indeed given man responsibility for either accepting or rejecting God's gracefully offered, totally unearnable and unmerited choice, to either accept or reject Christ. Get the version in which Geisler responds to James White's subsequently written, "The Potters Freedom."
philipatoz 1 year ago
@philipatoz Normal Geisler's book was "Chosen But Free" and I tried to read it and struggled through most of it. It is one of the worst books I have ever read. I thought "Is this the best the Arminians can do?" I was hoping that it would make a cogent argument for free will, but no such luck. And yes, I have the second edition with the response, and the response was, if possible, worse than the rest of the book.
I found that "The Potter's Freedom" made a much better argument.
newbirth35 1 year ago
@newbirth35, and no doubt the reason you don't like Geisler's response is, not because it isn't SCRIPTURALLY supported, but that it contradicts the man-made Calvinist box that the Five Pointers insist God must fit within. But God cannot be contained within the confines of a man-made theology! Strange, isn't it, that Calvinist beliefs don't enter the church for over its first 1,500 years. Strange as well, only a small percentage of saved, inerrancy believing, Jesus honoring Christians accept it!
philipatoz 1 year ago
@philipatoz No, I went to the book hoping to be convinced of the Arminian position. I *was* Arminian and wanted to hold onto those beliefs. The natural man doesn't like Reformed theology, and I certainly didn't. I had major trouble because Geisler would say sometihng, put in a verse reference, and when I looked it up it didn't say anything close to what he claimed. I began having to keep a Bible next to me while I read because I ran across this over and over.
newbirth35 1 year ago
@philipatoz I go where Scripture leads me. Period. And that is why I accept Reformed doctrine - it is taught in the Bible. I don't care who else accept it or not. The Bible says it so I believe it.
newbirth35 1 year ago
@newbirth, The Bible says that God both commands and desires that ALL men come to salvation AND that if they so desire to obey him that He will make it possible AND complete it. Calvinism teaches that God doomed certain men before they were ever born or had ever committed the first sin - that they were never to have even a chance or opportunity at salvation, NOT because they were unwilling to accept His free offer of salvation, but supposedly because He did not want them to have even the chance.
philipatoz 1 year ago
@philipatoz You make it seem that people want salvation and God withholds it. The truth is that NO ONE wants it. We don't desire it unless God causes us to desire it! God is glorified both in having a remnant of His own, but also in His justice.
newbirth35 1 year ago
@newbirth - correct, no man naturally desires God - nor truly seeks Him. However, man IS born with the ability to either embrace or reject the overtures of God (note even those, alive now, without the Gospel, have already rejected the truth He has already given them). Scripture says man CAN resist the Holy Spirit. So He's given ALL a choice. God foreknows all who would be willing to respond positively to His overtures, yet HE MUST and WILL reach FIRST to all such men, leading them to salvation.
philipatoz 1 year ago
@philipatoz Actually, Romans 8:30 says that God does not call all men, but those He does call are justified and glorified. And John 6:44 says that all who are drawn are raised up (to eternal life). Verse 37 in similar.
There are no "overtures" other than the general grace (sun, moon, food, etc.) He gives to all men. We have no ability to accept God on our own; the Scripture is clear about this in many places (for example Rom. 3:10 [quoting Psalm 14:3].
newbirth35 1 year ago
@newbirth35, you are confusing two different things: Acts 17:30 says God commands "ALL MEN, EVERYWHERE" to repentance. Does God command things He expects us to do, albeit with His help? But we must be WILLING - the non-Elect are not! Does God DESIRE men rebel against Him? Absolutely NOT! God doesn't call the non-Elect as He foreknows they will reject ANY further overture (He's already given them knowledge of Him and His divine nature.). He will do no more because they've already rejected THAT!
philipatoz 1 year ago
@philipatoz God commands it; that does not mean that men are able. In fact, 2 Tim. 2:25 says that repentance is *granted by God.* That's not just wooing - that is effectual calling for the elect. No man is willing to come to Christ until God takes out our heart of stone and gives us a heart of flesh (Ez. 36:26). Only then will we be willing.
And BTW, "foreknow" is an active verb. It is not God merely passively taking in knowledge of what we will do.
newbirth35 1 year ago
@newbirth35, so you believe God commands something He does not truly desire us to do? Really? God tells us he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, that He desires ALL men come to salvation? God says for even US to love our enemies, to pray for them, to show compassion to ALL. Yet you believe God doesn't live up to even what He requires of Believers? You think God can operate outside of His values of love, mercy and grace? God is much more than justice, Thank God! Mercy, Love, Grace!!!
philipatoz 1 year ago
@philipatoz God commands us to "be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect." Do you think we can do that in this life? None of us can! So yes, we are commanded to do things that are impossible - for man. But "with God all things are possible." He saves us if it it His good pleasure (Eph. 1:9), or He doesn't. *We* have nothing to do with it. Can you take out your heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh, or is that an act of God alone?
newbirth35 1 year ago
@newbirth35, IF God is not unhappy with man's rebellion, why would He angrily denounce their rebellion throughout Scripture, accusing them of harboring (THEIR) hard hearts? NO, they cannot save themselves or even desire God without His help and enlightenment, but they must first must be willing to respond to God's initiatives, and He foreknew no amount of His love or enlightenment would ever change their hard hearts - and thus He chose before their births such rebellious people He would reject!
philipatoz 1 year ago
@philipatoz "but they must first must be willing to respond to God's initiatives"
And my whole point is that none of us would ever be willing unless God first sovereignly changes our hearts. None of us would choose Him unless He first chose us!
newbirth35 1 year ago
Lane - Thanks so much for these. I'm just beginning to look into and believe the Doctrines of Grace - certainly not popular! I've been listening to Dr. White's podcasts for quite some time and finally read "The Potter's Freedom." Scripture certainly seems to be on his side so thanks for the resources on your channel so I can learn more.
newbirth35 1 year ago
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philipatoz 1 year ago
@philipatoz mate, The Potter's Freedom is by James White. Chosen But Free (2nd edition i think?) is Geisler's response. I think that's what you meant? White's response to Geisler's is on his channel.
Blessings
m4ttieE 1 year ago
@m4ttieE, thanks for spotting my mistake, I'll change it out. Learned about a new place: Haslingden
philipatoz 1 year ago
If you disagree with his lesson on the Doctrines of Grace then please support your belief with God’s word not foul language or your opinion. God’s word will defend its own truth. Bring your evidence from there. Thanks.
aashmore07 1 year ago
James White is a very dangrous false teacher ladden with Pagan phyylosophy bound to send people to hell. He has no knowledge of God neither is he born again. In a nut shell, this man is denying man's repentance & walk with God. What ever happend to God's Purpose:
"The LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, [and] to prove thee, to know what [was] in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments," or no Deut 8: 2.
So why would God do all of these?
truevineinfantry 1 year ago
@truevineinfantry Be careful when you through out "very dangrous false teacher"
Deut 8:2???
greatnewsnetwork 1 year ago
@greatnewsnetwork
Friend the day of our Lord will be terrible. For this reason he said, many will be ashamed on that day. If you do not understand Deut 8: 2, it is because the god of this world have blinded your mind. God never changed in his dealing with mankind and this is the very thing Satan, through James White, uses to scatter God's flock Jer 23:1. What has wheat to do with chaff ? We do not learn God in Seminaries, it is given by God. Pray for discernment you obviously lack this.
truevineinfantry 1 year ago
@truevineinfantry Don't confuse Fatalism with Predestinatuion... they are not the same concepts
IkarOphir 1 year ago
@IkarOphir
The Bible was written for the Poor, even unlearned people who are rich in Christ to whom God clearly states the Kingdom of heaven belongs to Psalm 113:7-9; Matth 5:3. Away with bogus and confusing swelling theological jargon that confuses the heirs of the kingdom of heaven and conceal heresies.
truevineinfantry 1 year ago
@truevineinfantry
Perhaps you should study through R.C. Sproul. Sproul has some excellent CDs teachings on his site: Ligonier.org
I think if you get some of Sproul's DVDs, CDs, books or follow his radio program it will help you understand. Follow along in your Bible and try to listen without preconceived ideas blocking the information. This is a multi-layered, dense subject. Christ's doctrine is not difficult when He opens you eyes. Pray for Truth and he will open your eyes.
mjb1952 1 year ago
@mjb1952
RC Sproul is a decieved false teacher who preaches after the flesh like others. Don't you understand that all churches are apostate highplaces & preaches and teachers all hirelings?
Get prepared, you will have a shock wave of your life when God unleashes his 2 Witnesses of Revelation 11, They will wreck havoc on all false teachers, preachers, & prophets and this satanic world system they serve. If God said they will roar and will take their prey, you bet they will.
truevineinfantry 1 year ago
This tape goes a little chipmunk at about a half hour in. Instead of "Alllllllllvin" its "Calllllvin." LOL.
As long as the Armenians view God's Plan from the interest and perspective of man, rather than from God's interest and perspective, nothing about God's sovereignty will make sense to them.
God saved me to make me happy? No, God saved me so that He is glorified.
RomansGalatians 1 year ago
@RomansGalatians It does go kind of chipmunk-y at about a half hour, lol. Funny, but distracting.
newbirth35 1 year ago
Indeed, the idea that there is a god who totally controls everything and randomly chooses to punish a large part of his creatures eternally for being as he created them is not only morally depraved, it is also absurd. Which puppeteer would punish his puppets for doing what he made them do? Can you think of anything more pointless than this?
dasGagaTier 1 year ago
What I find most reprehensible about his theology is the complete lack of compassion, well, of any decent morals, on the side of its proponents. So they believe that many if not most will go to hell for acts which they are not responsible (as we are all god's puppets), and they think that this eternal tortures somehow "glorifies" their god. And they dare call this "just". How sickening! Fortunately, there is no reason to think that this god exists...
dasGagaTier 1 year ago
Ok then we are just puppets with God's hand shoved up our ass? And by no merit or fault of our own we are sent to heaven or hell, so that God can prove that he is the boss? FUBAR!
xmedic9 1 year ago
Reform Theology revealed to me that it is God who get ALL the glory — it's ALL His work ... I'm the benefactor & cause of NoThinG ... He called me & I could Not resist His call. He made me so that I would NOT resist — Its ALL about Him & He shares His glory with NO one. He is the cause of ALL causes!!
ardineh123 1 year ago
@ardineh123 You are so right, until you study and allow God to open your eyes you rant saying this can't true! God is not unfair, making mindless puppets, etc. All these type of comments are made through a worldly thought, focusing on man. When I ws first introduced to the doctrine of Grace, I felt as these others. Thank God He opened my eyes to TRUTH. Only God gets the GLORY. Humanism is an approach in study, philosophy, or practice that focuses on human values and concerns. This is the error.
mjb1952 1 year ago
Scripture is clear that we are saved by faith and that works come out of faith they are the fruits of faith and so no man earns salvation but salvation is a gift from God and can never be sold because this gift is freely given because the price paid for salvation which is the holy and precious blood of our savior Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke scripture to the devil and sanhedrin so why not we follow His example today.
mrlittlemarvel 1 year ago
The church of Jesus Christ is built on the Word of God. Any church that exists apart from the Word of God as its sole authority is a false church.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
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@HermitintheRain
You: "The church of Jesus Christ is built on the Word of God."
Jesus: "And I tell you, you are Peter (kepha), and on this rock (kepha) I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18)
The Church of Jesus Christ is the holy Catholic Church.
nuduaspiaggia 1 year ago
@nuduaspiaggia To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20
The Roman Catholic Church is an enemy of Jesus Christ. She is Mystery Babylon the Mother of all Harlots.
HermitintheRain 1 year ago
@HermitintheRain You are laughable. The Church will endure because she is the bride of Christ, and He endures forever.
nuduaspiaggia 1 year ago
@nuduaspiaggia Yes, the church is the bride of Christ. The church is the catholic church, meaning every single christian believer. The elect of God is the bride of Christ, and no one outside of the church will be saved. Pope John Paul 2 kissed the Quran. The Quran denies the resurrection and the divinity of our Lord.The RCC believes that muslims,atheists and pagans can be saved as muslims,atheists, and pagans. The Church of Jesus Christ? Obviously not. Obviousely not!!
tr0za 1 year ago
@tr0za You're so amazingly wrong. There's a difference between the ignorant Muslim who does not truly know about Christ and His Church and the Protestant who daily denies Christ.
nuduaspiaggia 1 year ago
@nuduaspiaggia How can a protestant daily deny Christ our Lord and Saviour, the Alpha and the Omega, the great I Am? You seem to want to excuse muslims as being ignorant. Romans 1:20 - For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
The RCC teaches the necessity of faith and works. That faith means faith in Christ as the risen Lord.
tr0za 1 year ago
@tr0za Muslims can be ignorant, but Protestantism is based on the denial of Christ. You deny the Eucharist. You deny His Church and the promises He made to her.
As for faith and works. You must have both. Faith without works is a dead faith! (read James)
nuduaspiaggia 1 year ago
@nuduaspiaggia I know Catholics believe in Faith and Works. What I am asking is do Catholics believe that atheists, muslims and pagans have faith and works?
Can you really say that someone who denies the existence of God, has faith? How can the RCC possibly say that non-christians have both faith and works?
tr0za 1 year ago
@tr0za We don't determine whether someone has faith expressed through works, God does. We do not claim to know where an individual goes after death, but we can know the probability of where he'll go. Those who are invincibly ignorant cannot be responsible for knowing Jesus Christ, but might be saved as Noah was saved--that is up to God. However, the Protestant know Christ, but every day rejects His holy Church, making it infinitely more difficult for him, than for a Catholic, to enter heaven.
nuduaspiaggia 1 year ago
6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.7By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family...Hebrews11. Noah,Abraham,everyone must believe God exists in order to please God.Atheists do not believe God exists,therefore they have no faith.Muslims have the spirit of anti-christ(1John 2:22),so do pagans.
tr0za 1 year ago
@nuduaspiaggia Also there is no excuse for anyone-Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse...It is actually impossible for anyone to enter heaven, unless it is God who saves.Romans 1:16-I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:...'''
tr0za 1 year ago
"You can no longer assume . . . has a Biblical view of God's sovereignty." So true. So very, very true. This was my case. I had no idea of God's sovereignty. Once someone explained it to me however, I was like . . . oh, of course, well now that makes perfect sense. Vast portions of the Bible that had been a mystery to me suddenly made sense, not to mention Calvinism itself, it suddenly made equal sense too.
rofyle 1 year ago
Why?
Why do people persist in only following a shadow of the Faith, instead of following the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church?
I don't get it. Why would people be content with just a "part" of anything, when they can have the whole thing?
Doesn't make any sense ...
ChristianFirefighter 1 year ago
@ChristianFirefighter Many millions do; it's called Lutheranism. Sorry, but Luther only wanted to reform the Church;but she was so ponderous and corrupt she exploded. Sola Fide brother. God bless you.
aterseraph 1 year ago
@ChristianFirefighter
God through the scripture provides us with:teaching, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness. Therefore or so that, the man of God may be adequate and equipped for every good work. Scripture is sufficient. Besides that, reformed protestants believe in the one holy catholic apostolic church..That is, all saints who continue in the teaching of the apostles. 2Tim 3:14-17
tr0za 1 year ago
@tr0za Until separated Protestants fully comprehend this passage, they will never enjoy the Fullness of Truth: "And I tell YOU, YOU are Peter, and on THIS rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give YOU the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Don't settle for a mere shadow of the Truth brothers, come home now to the Catholic Church.
ChristianFirefighter 1 year ago
@ChristianFirefighter Actually we do comprehend this passage. Scripture is not incomprehensible. So you believe that Peter is the rock upon which Jesus referred to? As a catholic, you don't know what that verse is really saying, because it hasn't been infallible interpreted. I'm tired of catholic apologists telling me I need an infallible interpreter, all the while interpreting scripture for themselves.If you can interpret scripture, so can we.
tr0za 1 year ago
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be PERFECT, THOROUGHLY FUNISHED unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17
If it goes against Scripture, it is not of God.
DIETOSELFREPENT 2 years ago
That was @ nuduaspiaggia's last comment, btw.
DIETOSELFREPENT 2 years ago
How sad that this is a response to "Catholic Apologists destroy Sola Scriptura".
While I do not agree the Catholics, the heresy of Calvinism is just going to get them all the more confused about what grace is.
For those of you who don't know, Romans 4:5 clearly makes a distiction between faith and works.
In other words, it is not a work to merely will (as calvinists imagine), and it does not give us a reason to boast. But we would have a reason to boast if we were saved by works.
Jesse859 2 years ago 2
@Jesse859
Romans 9:16.............
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
tr0za 1 year ago
@Jesse859 Faith is not a work of the Law, but it is something we do. Calvinists believe it is something God gives to His people, while Arminians believe it is something we give to God. Some have faith and some do not. Calvinists believe salvation is all of grace, arminians believe grace makes us able, but it is up to the man's heart to respond. Some heart's choose to follow, and some do not. Why don't they follow? SIN. Why would they follow? A heart after God. Arminianism is not christian.
tr0za 1 year ago
@tr0za Note, I didn't say arminians are not christians. They are inconsistently christians, barely christians, but christians none the less. So long as they believe that the blood of Jesus cleanses them from the sin of not having perfect faith, they are christians, otherwise they might believe they need to make up the last 1percent of the God's requirements. Then they wouldn't be christians.
tr0za 1 year ago
Does grace figure into reformed theology? Or do we have to add something to Gods grace, like faith?
boomac62 2 years ago
@boomac62 Sola Gracia. -"By grace alone." Faith is the gift of God which justifies. -Romans 5:1-2
americanpolitic1 2 years ago
so grace saves apart from faith?Or is Grace only operational when we do (add)something (in this case "belief")?
boomac62 2 years ago
@boomac62 No. Without faith it is impossible to please God(Hebrews 11:6) Another place to read would be Ephesians chapter 2, particularly verse 8. Study and become absorbed in the New Testament. Keep asking, seeking, and knocking for the truth. Pray that He(Jesus) would come alongside and teach you. He did it to me! Shalom!
americanpolitic1 2 years ago
@boomac62 God graciousely saves us by giving us the gift of faith. It is something God gives to us, not something we give to God. This faith which God gives us, unites us to Christ. Being in Christ, God imputes the righteousness of Jesus onto us, and declares us to be completely holy and righteous. Rom 9:16 - So then, it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. .. Salvation Belongs To Our God!
tr0za 1 year ago
Isn't it completely unnecessary to make this video HQ?
This makes it very difficult for me to watch any of your video's which I have a very high interest in.
I can understand if this was a video but it is just a slideshow.
ecclesiologyproper 2 years ago
Why did Jesus pray ,before going to the cross,I pray not for the world but for those you gave me out of the world?uh oh
CBALLEN 2 years ago 2
that they might be one, silly man. It's self-answering in it's very immediate context.
sketchbook1 2 years ago
He even told them that they had no hope of ecaping Hell! Why didn't He just say come to me and I will save you?
CBALLEN 2 years ago 2
Why don't all men get saved?
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Does it bother you that you believe a Roman Catholic Doctrine,that man's will overides God's will?
CBALLEN 2 years ago
@CBALLEN Nowhere in Catholicism does man's will override God's.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
Does it bother you that God chose His Prophets,chose Israel and Chose who would destroy many Israelites by people He chose to send to Hell?
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Does it bother you that God sent 99.9% of the Gentiles to Hell in the O.T.?
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Romans 9 tells us God makes some pots for honor and some for dishonor.He raised up Pharoh just to show His power, to destroy him.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
No, God gave Pharaoh space to repent, but he refused. Has Pharaoh repented and let the Israelites go, He would have been spared. Nineveh was a place full of evil sinners, whose sins had reached heaven, just as the sins of Sodom, and just as with Sodom, God warned them. The difference between Sodom and Nineveh is that the Ninevites chose to respond to God's warnings and repent, while the Sodomites did not. I am not following any religion, man made or other wise, I am believing God's full word
godluvsmormons 2 years ago
Roman's 9 says God made Pharoh specifically to show His power through what He did to Pharoh.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Our churches are full of lost people because people like you tell people a prayer and a dunking will automatically save them.People can't repent and believe unless God gives them a heart of flesh.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
The Bible says REPENT AND BELIEVE ,it doesn't say just ask Jesus in your heart.Why didn't Jesus tell the pharisies that.Instead He said,"You don't believe because you are not ONE OF MY SHEEP! My sheep Hear my voice and come when I call.He just told them that they were going to Hell,
CBALLEN 2 years ago 2
Jacob I loved and Esua I hated,God Hated Esua before he was born.Did you not HEAR YOUSELF ASKING THE SAME QUESTION IN ROMAN'S 9 14-15?Your problem is you don't believe the word of God.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Jesus said I choose you,you did not choose me,but man does not like that,they have changed it to,I can take you or leave you,because my will is number 1.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
When Adam knew Eve,that means he knew her intimately through sex.Not that HE KNEW WHAT SHE WOULD DO.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
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CBALLEN 2 years ago
out of the world.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
The term "reformed theology" seems a bit contradictory, since the gospel is eternal. The adoption of the reformed theology nomenclature also seems haughty, since Calvinism is not the only product of the reformation, but Arminianism and other theological forms and even cults. I do not place a name on what I believe, since what I believe represents not a logic and teaching of man like Calvin, but a well rounded and correct view of the entire Bible. God hates sin. He loves the sinner. The end.
godluvsmormons 2 years ago
Tell me,does God send the sin to Hell or the sinner.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Neither. Hell was prepared for the Devil, and his angels, and their sin was rebellion against God, while they were already in heaven. Therefore, the Devil and his angels caused their own expulsion from paradise, and so do all who willfully rebel against God and His holy son. We choose hell and send ourselves to hell.
godluvsmormons 2 years ago
Then you have just called my Lord ,Jesus Christ a liar.Because Jesus said"Fear not the one who can kill the body,but fear Him who can destroy the body and cast the soul in Hell.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
The god of Calvinism is a monster. He sends people to hell without doing anything about it when he says he "desires that all men be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth". /Gee, I desire that man to be saved who is drowning but I am not going to throw this life saving device out to him. I'll just sit here and wait for him to drown. He'll try save himself of course but can't". :(
This is sad theology.
imromancatholic 2 years ago
CBALLEN,
So what's up with Paul calling himself ather in 1 Cor 4:14-15? "I am your father through Christ". Was Paul a sperm donor? Did Paul sin or was it not true that he was their father in a spiritual way? In other words this passage in the Bible is not true and it is impossible for a man to be a father in this way?
imromancatholic 2 years ago
You are correct bro.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
2 Chron. 19:7 tells us that God is no respector of persons. If He chooses who goes to hell and who goes to heaven, then this scripture is a lie. Jesus said, "...He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life. John 5:24 all we have to do is believe. I would like to know where to find your scriputure reference so I can look it up, please.
javagirl50860 2 years ago 4
The problem for you is the context. Jehoshaphat was appointing judges telling them to be impartial, as well we are to be impartial in our dealings with fellow believers, God however can choose to save whom he will, read John 6, 7 & 8, and the beginnings at least of Paul's letters, it shows that God chooses those who are saved.
espunde 2 years ago
Problem with your statement: "God can choose to save whom He will...God chooses those who are saved."
God chooses you for salvation; He chooses the unsaved to be saved. How can you be saved before God chooses you to be saved? You can't. Also, if God is all-good, He will choose us all to be saved, and we will have to respond with faith and works.
nuduaspiaggia 2 years ago
espunde ,you are telling the Biblical true.Too bad people have let the thumbs rain down,they just don't understand God's sovereignty.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
The word sovereignty does not mean that God has to be a bully, or that he has to send a certain amount of people to hell to balance the books or to be a holy God. It is just as possible, and FAR more likely that God's sovereignty is best and Biblically expressed by extending grace to all who will turn to His son Jesus, and repent. Sovereignty without mercy in reference to God would make God evil, because it would make Him the author of sin. God is not the author of sin, but of free will.
godluvsmormons 2 years ago
God has shown His mercy and Grace by saving some that should be in hell.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
We all should be there, and since God does not respect any individual person, it seems that arbitrarily choosing some for heaven, and some for hell is outside of His nature. I do not accuse Calvinists of being a cult, not most of them, but their view of God and of scripture is more often than not, severely off balance.
godluvsmormons 2 years ago
That'a exactly how we see those who believes that a man can choose God in His unregenerate self,instead of God regenerating the man so he can believe.Does scripture mean ANTHING to you?
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Yes, but as I already stated, your theology is off balance, because you deny half of what the gospel teaches and what Jesus and His disciples taught. Yes, aside from God's influence,. all humans would be merely natural creatures, fallen and with no hope. However, since the Holy Spirit is sent to "draw all men to Jesus" and since He "convicts the world of sin, righteousness and judgment" that fallen nature has the opportunity to respond to God's call or to reject it.
godluvsmormons 2 years ago
All does not mean everyoneor,every person.ALL means Jews and Gentiles not every Jew and Gentile.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Jesus said I pray not for the world but for those you gave me.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Read Acts 13:48
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Ok, you read Genesis 4:26
godluvsmormons 2 years ago
There is a mistranslation there,actually it should say" Man began to profane the name of the Lord."Check me out on this.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
That word appointed does not imply a willful appointment, but rather an appointment according to foreknowledge. This simply means that those who were going to be saved, were saved. You need to re-read Romans 8
godluvsmormons 2 years ago
Read Eph 1 then.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Did you not know that God's elect have been written in the Lamb's book of life since before time?
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Yes, I knew that they have been in the book of life since there has been a book of life, however long that is, but again, that is according to foreknowledge,
godluvsmormons 2 years ago
When God foreknew you that means He knows you imtimately.Jesus said YOU LOVED ME BECAUSE I LOVED YOU FIRIST.He never said I LOVE YOU BECAUSE YOU LOVED ME FIRST.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Exactly. Jesus loved us first, because before we were born, He foreknew us! If all things are equal, and God is not a respecter of the person of an individual human, and ALL are sinners, then what possible purpose could it serve to choose one for heaven, and one for hell? We are after all ALL UNDER SIN. By what method does God then choose a person to burn in hell? It would have to be arbitrary, because no humans deserve heaven
godluvsmormons 2 years ago