I wonder if HornSpeakersRGarbage has heard a tractrix horn? It doesn't have any of the honky megaphony ear piercing sound. Sounds like a direct radiator but louder off the same power.
I fell in love with turbosound the very first time their quality. I had the privilege to attend a big party with Sasha and john digweed spinning on 164 cabinets of turbosound. Nine inch nails even uses turbosound and hearing nin on that system was awesome. All music sounds great on T.S.!!!!!
you are a fucking asshole. you must be a no-lifer since don't you have anything else to do but writing shit on this video, and therefore no one wants to hear you stupid comments. i am ashamed to be human because of people like you.
@prizmapex I did that, at first you think it's loud, just loud, because it's a very clear, transparent sound, but if you try speaking with the person next to you, that's when you'll find out you have no chance, regardless of how loud you'll shout, no one is going to hear you. The harmonics are so well reproduced and without, or extremely low distortion, you won't believe it.
am i just sound retarded? but i find DAS setups to sound better for some reason.
this club that mostly host dnb/dub events has turbo, and its very crisp. But there is something about das setups ive heard over the years, that is more raw
im a noob in soundsystems though, just hear what i hear.
There use to be a band from Toronto in the early 90's called Skinny Puppy. Their drum used 2 TMS 3's as Monitors. He had them literally right beside him. I seen an Alice Cooper show in the late 80's that used at the Maple Leaf Gardens. One of the few times, someone was able to get a good sound in that Building.
@golanygo They R garbage, because they use horns. All horn speakers suk. There R no exceptions. If U want something good 4 live, try a direct radiator line array or something =) They need more power, but they sound good - & power is cheap now N E way.
Hey 9 are you old enough to remember TMS 4's and 3's. My favorite was the TMS4's but the 3's did a lot of major tours in their day. I believe the high end had two 1" drivers that most people swapped out for a 2". The 1" sounded nicer but you never knew you where pushing them to hard until it was to late.
In the 80's I seen them tour with Iron Maiden and Alice Cooper to name a few.
Turbo always sounds great. I wonder what they will be like in 5 years time.
@golanygo U R comparing notes about all the various ways 2 paint a turd. It's still a turd. Tweaking a horn speaker is like putting nitro injection on a locomotive - totally pointless.
@JNineBar U R a deaf clown who plays 'pom pom pom pom' noise. It's no wonder U would pretend horns sound good, if U pretend endless 'pom pom pom pom' is 'music' . Acknowledging reality is not 'preaching'. Truth is not a 'bore'. U R so lame. Go find another job instead of ruining sound, please =)
One of the things that has facinated me about the top end is the shape of the Beryllium diaphragm. It is an amazing design almost like a cone shape and if I'm not mistaken the path length from the diaphragm to each small individual exit in the horn is the same. These guys always lead in design and the top end is one of the best I've ever heard. The next best I've heard was BMS horn and diver.
@41point2 Beryllium is a flavor-of-the month BS product that rings harsh just like ALL metal diaphrams. The ONLY way 2 keep a metal driver from ringing is 2 slather it in damping (ruining the tracking), or only drive it below about 65Hz.
Different does not mean better. 2 B better it must also have superior PERFORMANCE, not just B new. Remember 'appeal 2 novelty' fallacy. & the # of people using horns does not make them better. Lots of people smoke cigarettes. That mean they R good 4 U?
@41point2 Bla bla deaf clown. Attacking me doesn't change the fact that the slug of air trapped in front of speakers in a horn setup causes various undesirable resonances, & that the numerous reflections on those extra walls causes time smearing & other distortions, such as the drag on those walls trying 2 push air through them, just like a water pipe 2 small.
Everything U say is anti-reality, anti-scientific deadbrain junkie-boi BS.
And not that facts have ever gotten in the way of your ass hole or opinion, but the Flavor of the month was first patented in may of 1985. But as always you have no respect for facts unless they come from your mouth. So shove this factual US PATENT # 4,518,443 up your ass.
@41point2 U seem 2 B under the impression I bother reading your BS. It's all just noise.
U R doing 'cherry picking' red herring here - rejecting principle of charity (chasing irrelevant tangents 2 confuse the issue).
Beryllium sounds like crap, because it is hard. Hard diaphrams always suk 4 highs - regardless of their cost. U R the type of 'tard who buys Crapple FagInTosh PCs, thinking they R 'superior' simply because less common, & overpriced, etc.
@41point2 BTW: I love 2 C how the 'elite patented' whatever has the brainwash on U. U R so simple - your brain so primitive. WTF does rarity have 2 do with quality?? WTF does patenting something have 2 do with good sound? U can patent ANYTHING - a particular blend of dog poop & horse pee, & patent it as 'secret horn-brain's blend' HAHA =))
WTF!! Just 'cuz they PAID THE ANGLO MAFIA (government) 4 'protection' (the right 2 sue those W/same thing) does that make the poop-pee taste better?
You call Beryllium flavor of the month. I'm pointing out how out of touch you are with P.A..
You can not patent dog shit.
But once again you show how out of touch you are with reality.
Some people here may want to have a REAL discussion about equipment and technology.
You want to insult any one that thinks a modern horn design has a place in professional P.A. You are an ignorant Troll with no data to back up what you call facts.
@41point2 'Flavor of the month' is a term meaning 'trendy novelty BS'. Berylium is unusual yes, & has about the same performance as other metal domes - as in, complete crap =)
U can nit-pick all U like, but there is no such thing as a good-sounding hard-dome tweeter. This is because the metal rings like a cymbal, coloring & distorting the sound. Damping it slows it down below treated silk alternatives. Linaeum designs R even better - mostly due 2 the asymmetrical load & larger surface area
@41point2 N E 1 who uses horn speakers is both deaf, & retarded. They DESTROY sound quality. About 70% of the human population on this planet is retarded. Finding a bunch of hippie junkie retard neo-commie fukwit trash 2 pretend they like the horrid sound of horn speakers is easy as pie. The trouble is, even when U give them something that sounds good, like a direct radiator line array, they R way 2 deaf 2 tell the difference =(
@JNineBar Facts R not points of view. Reality is not relative. Truth is not 'a difference of opinion'. The moon is a planet, not a ball of yarn = fact. Horn speakers suk because they resonate & reflect the sound in distorting ways = fact.
Sell your horn junk & get a real system. Also get rid of that annoying zero-talent disposable 'POM POM POM POM' noise while you're @ it. Play some real music - thanx =)
@gdandkj The 880H's as in the video do not have the rotatable mid high section. The 890 full touring version however does. I have used these once in A mode and they build into a nice pint source system.
@JNineBar Rotate a horn all U like - still sounds like junk. Horns sound terrible, because they R horns. No exceptions. Stop wasting your time 'polishing the turd' & get a real system that sounds GOOD 4 a change, like a direct-radiator line array =)
@gdandkj If they R horns, they surely suk - as in Hoover big time =) What does it matter if U rotate a plate of dog poo some degrees this way or that - it still STINKS!
What are you views on Nexo's line of CD Cardioid SubBass subwoofers? Has anyone used/heard them? I'm considering using them for low frequency reinforcement since they claim to control the dispersion of long wavelengths.
I got a good demo of it from the rep at a show. As JNINE said, it does control its dispersion and it does sound very good. I believe the electronics is a big part of it. And it cost a million dollars or you first born or something. They also have a very nice line array.
@41point2 A million dollars? You could build a better system using direct-radiators and some truly BASIC physics knowledge I am certain for about 90% less =) Describe this system and I will explain to you how to beat it for very little money. Most products on Earth are a complete fraud & ripoff, & I am sure that 1 is as well.
@41point2 Yawn - go on with your insane 'kill-the-messenger' dance, U pothead clown. I insult people only who deserve it, IN ADDITION to providing verifiable scientific facts. I am here giving you clowns good advices, and like heroin junkies, you junkies you guys sit there comparing each other's needles.
I say, and this is a good idea, STOP JABBING YOURSELF! =)
All horns suk = reality 101. Stop wasting your time 'polishing the turd'.
@41point2 Whoever U may think I am has nothing to do with the fact that all horn speakers sound like crap. You are retards, incapable of scientific thought, with deaf ears, incapable of discerning good sound from bad - the whole word an indistinct murmering 'whur' of ringing & screeching & other blown-out deadear noises. I don't pitty your azzes, just find it unfortunate that so many in 'pro' audio are exactly like you, and the reason that most live sound is absolute crap.
What Golany said. You are nothing. A fraud. A liar. No Credibility. Definitely psyco problems. It's pointless to discuss anything with you. You make excusses for never answering a question directly. You have repeated yourself under 3 different people now. Golany is right on. Heed your own advice and "Move On" But you won't do that. You are a Troll with no friends and a massive Physiological need for attention. Make your family happy. Shot yourself. LOL
@41point2 Oh this is new - if I don't pretend that horns sound like something besides a pile of distorted colored innacurate annoying screechy nonsense, then I must have 'emotional problems'. Yes I know your kind. You are the sort that says phrases like "You'll feel much better after you take the chip (implant)" =)) Go on clown - get all those 'vaccinations'. Mmmm - mercury is good for you!
@HornSpeakersSuk You are retarded because you cannot grasp even the simplest of physics principles, like the facct that a constrained slug of air has no business in front of a transducer, unless your goal is to massively screw up it's response & make it sound unnatural =) Horns are great at ruining sound - if that is your goal! More power to ya, deaf boy. Just admit that your goal is to wreck the sound, instead of preserve it.
Look you are doing it again. You are crazy. You are talking with yourself. Don't you even read where you are commenting? You must be a little freaked out when you write to over look you are writing to yourself. LOL
@hitgong Doing WHAT again? Oh please horn cult nutter forgive me for telling you the truth =) I am so sorry for sharing the reality of the laws of nature that cause horns to color the sound & turn it to harsh mush with unwanted artifical annoying reflections in the sound. Please I can not help but be honest. Lord save me from truth - deliver me 2 the sweet bliss of horrid-sounding horn-loaded BS! =))
U got a little shrine with a horn there @ the altar - LoL!! Grow some ears, retard.
@41point2 Horn speakers suk, because the slug of air resonates like crazy, & the reflextions muddy the sound. Everything you clowns say is absurd ANTI-sound quality BS. It's very entertaining to watch - like a junkie shooting up smack, or a train wreck, or those 'body modification' fools chopping off their own fingers.
@akdomun The best bass response is achieved by using drivers mounted in tubes (cannot flex = clarity) with flared ports (picks up the low end), & locating all of them in (or as close as you can) to the middle of the performance. This creates a single coherent wavefront, and eliminates the sluggish muddy BS that is horn loaded 'midbass assist' design. The only 'dispersion control' in PA bass rigs comes from the long (30'+) arraying of drivers, not the BS horns they may sit within.
If you can provide me with a brand and a model which does what you say, that would be great. I know these exist for home theatre subs, but i haven't seen them for live sound yet.
@akdomun Brand name is not relevant. It's about design. You can build direct-radiator line arrays yourself. It's very simple. Get some stick-on silk dome car tweeters & put them on a stick, instead of your horn tweeter. Move up from there - mids, lows, etc. Stick the lows in tubes. Personally I like omnidirectional designs, but there are lots of DIY sites out there with line array plans. It is very easy. Pretend you have a brain for once in your life =) The cost of DIY is much lower too.
@akdomun BTW: You can also clear up the bass somewhat by putting extra speakers in the hot spots, out of phase (just like cutting a hole in the area where it piles up - to let it out).
Hi, I have a question. I know these turbosound models claim to have 25x15 dispersion pattern. How true is it? does it really make a big difference if you walk in and out of the dispersion area? I'm designing a system for my school which has highly reverberant walls and ceiling but a soft rubber floor so i need to know if they are true to their dispersion claim so that I could use them to send the sound only to the floor where i'll be absorbed, this minimising echoes. Thanks
@akdomun If U wnat something that actually sounds good AND goes loud, instead of just going loud & sounding like a pile of breaking glass and noise, then stay the hell away from horns. There is no such thing as a good sounding horn speaker. The physics make it impossible. Direct-radiator line arrays sound much more natural & go much louder. They simply require much more power. Since power is cheap & light these days, the only reason 2 buy horns is consumer retardation & marketing lies.
The advantage for me is the tight coverage pattern which can be obtained with these turbosound horns. but if you say direct radiating is better, i do not disagree. I myself am an audiophile and have really good direct radiating speakers in my home. But there are really few models of direct radiating P.A speakers for live sound. Could you propose me a direct radiating model which has a tight dispersion pattern? This would greatly help me, thanks.
@akdomun@akdomun Brand name is irrelevant. Direct-radiators R not only much better sounding than horns, but also much simpler 2 make - almost comically so. Stick some tweets or whatever in a line & there U go! LOTS of 'DIY' stuff about them online 2 =)
I am here 2 help people achieve better sound, not rip them off like a 'brand zombie'.
If U want narrow beam sound, line them HORIZONTALLLY! &/or damp the sides = way more narrow than N E horn. HORNS SUK @ EVERYTHING
@41point2 Go on with your 'kill-the-messenger' BS. No, don't go listen 2 some direct radiator line arrays. It's all about my shoe size! =)) U R insane. How does it feel? Must B tormentful.
I have a better one 41. This is how much of a troll Duraturbo is. I read him defending Deathrapes Horn Story. It turns out according to JNINE this loser IS Deathrape. JNINE doesn't bother to block him because he will open up another channel and JNINE loves how stupid he makes himself look every time he talks. By the way JNINE has a great web site and shows thousands at his parties. Duraturd is probably at home by himself whacking off a coke bottle LOL
Lame is you pretending to be someone else endorsing your own statements. Now that's a verifiable fact you got Troll. LOL JNINE is so right. You are a joke every time you open your mouth. Tell us another one Troll.
@hitgong You you you bla bla bla. I thought this was a video about a crappy sounding pair of horn speakers (as if there is N E other type of horn speaker but crappy-sounding ones?) - but thanx 4 the tip! Now I understand it's all about the type of shoes I wear, and whether I had a sandwich for lunch instead of soup! Thanx 4 filling me in! =)
If my hair is blonde, then dolphins turn to birds! It's all about 'me' right?? Who cares about the fact that horns sound like GARBAGE!
@hitgong Fact, horn speakers resonate like crazy on top of muddying the sound up with early reflection mud. The size of the inseam on my pants has nothing 2 do with it. U R insane & don't believe a word U say. U R just a clown trying 2 'protect your investment' in horn GARBAGE. Sell it & get a GOOD system, dork.
@41point2 You are doing 'red herring' fallacy. The issue is not whether Dura has heard everything, but the fact that horns, by nature, suk. There is no such thing as a good-sounding horn speaker because the physics of the design prohibit it - just like physics prohibits oil from sinking in water (less dense). Get a grip.
@akdomun BTW if U wanna' B really extreme can use basses as mids, like get a really tight sprung no-excursion type 'PA' driver & use it 4 mids. This will beam the mids 'cuz the driver is larger than the wavelengths. Same deal if U array small drivers - knocks out 2 the top @ bottom (or sides if sideways), or top & bottom if arranged as 'panel', etc.
U don't need horns 2 control pattern. Marketers of horns lie. They have 2, 'cuz horns R crap & U can't peddle inferior crap W/honesty! =))
You've got some really interesting ideas there, and good application of physics! Worth trying. Will try as soon as I get some tools, equipment and funding :) Thanks!
@akdomun Personally I prefer omnidirectional speakers as they don't 'honk' like cones. Even the cones themselves create little 'mini horns' due 2 the shape. Sometimes removing the dust cap helps, but the conical shape itself creates horn-like resonance problems =( Free-standing point source is by far the best sound, but they don't go as loud. The sound is much 'bigger' (ironically), because it is evenly directed more places =)
@hitgong Hey you're right - Y have something omnidirectional with equal coverage pattern n' stuff, when U can rip off morons like U by convincing them they need another set of speakers 4 every few more degrees of 'coverage. O', & don't forget more amps & cables & stands 2 drive all those totally unnecessary redundant crap-sounding harsh horn garbage PA 'flashlight' honkers! ROFL!!
Don't B efficient & clever, when U can just waste that $ instead! WHOOP!
Are you talking about Phase plugs in front of the driver?
If so I honestly couldn't say other than it seems to make sense in theory. One thing I do know is that your Aspect is one of the best systems I have ever heard. Is that what is happening in this cabinet?
the question was aimed at DuralastTurbo ...but yeah, The Aspect use the "polyhorn" a multi segment waveguide, that delays the sound from different parts of the drivers and diphragms by extending the path length of the some of the segments to give a phase cohearant point source wavefront
@JNineBar O' it's not a 'horn', it's a 'multi-segment wave guide'. That'll fix it - NOT! Call it whatever U like, but when U stick crap in front of a driver, all it does is fuk up the sound. Get things away, & U got a tighter, cleaner connection 2 the listener. Jeez U clowns have zero common sense whatsoever!! wow
@hitgong Phase plugs don't fix a damn thing. U R still dealing with convoluted resonant slugs of air & lots of reflecting surfaces = distortion & muddyness. All horns R junk.
@JNineBar I do not have 'views'. I simply acknowledge reality =) Doesn't matter what kind of plugs & wedges & other buzz-phrase crap the horn clowns peddle. ALL horns sound like crap, & no, they do nothing remotely close 2 reducing or eliminating problems with horns. The air itself resonates when contained, never mind the reflections from all the surfaces in a horn 2 bounce around fuking things up. Cup your soft hands around your mouth = coloration. It is not avoidable nor can B designed out
Duralast just suggested omnidirectional speakers for a P.A. Please ask any sound man in the world that does live p.a. as to how utterly stupid this is. You had the right idea by haveing a tight pattern control.
The key word is "Control" Not bouncing off the walls and creating phase and lobbing with in the room.
This Turbo P.A is incredible sounding but very expensive.
@hitgong Omnidirectional PA is wonderful - best imaging U will ever find, & none of that horrible horn coloration =) I have heard such systems & they R truly awesome. I would give U a brand name 2 check out, but U R not interested in good sound - just ranting & attacking. U R a clown.
Yes, omnidirectional PA - superior 2 horns (as if N E thing isn't superior 2 horns? All horns R CRAP! So that is SO EASY! =)
I have one more question, if I plan to use two speakers in stereo each facing each other with the audience in the middle, this creates a more surround like experience but would it cause comb filtering effects?
@akdomun U get comb-filtering 'phasey' effects no matter where U put speakers, UNLESS each speaker has just unique information! In other words, U can ELIMINATE comb-filtering by simply setting up many speakers & giving each item it's own speaker =)
Something U might do is mono the bass, & set up 4 speakers 4 mids & highs, & each item ONLY goes 2 1 speaker. I.E.: "hard pan" 2 speaker 1, 2, 3, or 4. No mixing 'in-between' 4 N E item = much more clarity! =D
Read Duralast's comments below. He actually admits he knows nothing about P.A. and doesn't fallow it.
There is no quality Line Array that doesn't use some form of horn. He talks about brand names being irrelevant because if he was to name one the technical data would prove him wrong.
He even suggested using Car neo tweeter. I did the simple math for him and he is simply in denial. His ego won't let him see other wise.
@41point2 Look up 'red herring fallacy' on Wikipedia. No point reading or responding 2 your insane laundry lists of irrelevant tangents. The key here is U R not interested in good sound, only promoting your insane devotion 2 inferior technology = horns.
U R like a junkie peddling the blessings of heroin. It's ridiculous.
I am the owner of the speakers in the video. I own 8 aspect in total and use them in many different venues for my sound rental company. The pattern control is VERY precise. The 25x15 is based on -6 to -10db points if i remember correctly. Obviously you do get sound radiating outside of the 25x15 but if you do want tight dispertion control these aspect do it very well.
Hi JNineBar, thanks for the info. This is a good real life review which I badly needed aside from the claimed review. If aspects sound good from a camera mic, then I imagine in real life it'll be awesome! I'm actually gonna use the TA-500Dp since I need a larger coverage pattern.
@hitgong And yes, I agree, using Omni speakers is suicide in any indoor environment. My whole aim was to control the dispersion. Thanks
@akdomun O' yes, do explain 2 us how omni is 'suicide' in a (insert meaningless venu here) environment. Do tell.... like how a violyn sounds horrible unless U amp it through a Turbosound 2 'control it's coverage pattern'.
Seriously, how do U manage 2 wipe your azz? Instruments R omnidirectional. Only a 'horn cult nutter' would pretend a speaker 'ruins' the sound if it more closely emulates theinstrument it is attempting 2 reproduce! U R quite a comedian! =)) Thanx 4 the laugh!!!
I do not disagree that an omni speaker sounds really good and life-like and would not mind having them in my home. But I'm faced with a problem here, there are too many reflections in my venue and I have also felt the pain of a booing audience because they can't understand a damn thing of what is said or heard through the P.A. It's all about % ALCONS, i.e. percentage articulated loss of Consonants. The sharp attack of words and instruments are smuged and rendered unintelligible.
@akdomun It is the poor quality of your sound system that makes it unintelligible, not their directionality. Omni speakers sound MORE realistic, not less, because they better mimic the natural response of the instruments they R attempting 2 reproduce. I have of course already stated this, but U R a retarded junkie clown so your brain does not retain.
Some examples of 'horrible omnidirectional' instruments:
Drums
Strings
Voices
etc!
Horns R like trying 2 push harp through a drum head = colored
Are you suggesting that Drums, strings & voices are horrible instruments? Then you shouldn't be advising anyone about anything music related. Don't u get it? there are way too many reflections in my venue, to the point where you can't understand a damn thing. Doesn't take a degree to work out that you need to increase the ratio of direct sound:reflected sound. No matter how good omnis sound, they will reflect everywhere like crazy which will make the situation even worse.
Reflections are ideal to liven up and instrument, but these reflections should occur in the stage area, then it is projected to the audience where it is not fully but partially reflected (~20%) and this is enough. My venue has way too many reflections of different times, and the %ALCONS is high, that is, the % articulated loss of consonants. So if I say 'coke', people would hear "oak". Any sharp attack in a speech or instrument is smudged and rendered unintelligible. Thus, control is the key.
@akdomun LATE reflections liven up an instrument - if DESIRED (not always better). Early reflections (like refraction in a horn) is UNdesireable & just turns stuff 2 mud (comparatively speaking, compared 2 direct-radiators =)
Everything U say is completely insane. It's really fascinating, this thread, like watching a bunch of potheads chant up the blessings of weed. O' yes, makes U slow & stupid - how wonderful! LoL!!
@akdomun U know what's even more hilarious about what U just said ('reflections liven up an instrument') is that if N E thing, omnis provide this much better than horns, because they throw sound in more directions, so it has the opportunity 2 exhibit more 'reflections' =) U know, late ones - the kind that make things sound 'bigger', not just 'annoying' like horn's closed-in 'sound like a moo box' junk.
U R slitting your own throat - contradicting yourself, but your accidental honesty was nice
@akdomun U know what else, most of your prescious 'wonderful horn systems' R actually omnidirectional once U go below a few hundred Hz. WTF man - B consistent, retard. They just put horn mids & highs on them 2 make idiots like U think they R more 'powerful'. More annoying is all - turning the highs 2 absolute CRAP! If U wanna' make it more 'powerful', how about increasing the depth & clarity of the bass response! Noooo - that would require actual VALUE instead of SCAM! =)
@41point2 All you deaf retards do is attack the messenger. You have no interest in sound quality, just stroking your wangs to your horrible-sounding horn boxes. I have news for you. They are not your cok. They are not your body. You can sell them and get something that actually sounds good! =) Sell them to some other deaf moron, and improve your setup by using direct radiators! =D
@hitgong They R horns. All horns sound like garbage. U R not missing N E thing. Do your ears even work? Or have they been ruined by damage from horns?
@JNineBar U should sell your Turbosound garbage & get some GOOD sounding speakers - direct-radiator line arrays =) Guys like U R the reason live sound is so awful that most people never bother going 2 clubs or concerts, but listen @ home instead. Y? 'Cuz all horns sound like CRAP & most people don't like things 2 sound like CRAP! =)
DuralastTurbo, I came here looking for advice and solutions, but not a dictatorship from u trying to force everyone to believe what you believe. If so, why do bands like Trivium use turbosound? Why does turbosound receive so many positive remarks every time they're used? Think again, they spent time and money into research. Even experts at Bose and all engineers know that controlling dispersion is essential in hot venues.
What you say may apply in a home, but not in a highly reverberant venue.
@akdomun Oh I understand - if someone gives you some obvious, clear and observable facts, that is 'forcing' you, and you must 'rebel' by pretending you believe a bunch of nonsense like 'horn speakers sound wonderful'. You are the same kind of jackass who goes around attacking American culture, pretending Kenya has something to offer for improvement! ROFL!! Yes, we have problems, but much of the world - including that open sewer - is INFINITELY WORSE!
HornSpeakersSuk, you sound a lot like DuralastTurbo, maybe your are him. I have nothing against both of you, if you like direct radiators that's fine by me. Yes the physics may prove horns wrong but at the end of the day, it's how it performs that matter; you can't speak to an audience about how d.radiators are better if they can't understand a word can u? I want focused dispersion turbosounds. I've heard enough on how horns suck, but at least my audience will understand me. End of story
@akdomun If I were a cockroach with 6 heads, that has nothing to do with the fact that all horns sound like crap.
You are so retarded that you can't even move past who is typing on a keyboard, and actually investigate WHAT IS SAID. You are INSANE, & retarded - not kidding at all.
No - don't go listen to a good line array. Don't save money. Don't sell off your terrible-sounding horn garbage. No, just sit there ranting about my shoe size ROFL!!
@veyronman Direct radiator line arrays can go much louder than horns, & the sound remains clean & clear =) It's an interesting experience - rather like good headphones but with bass U can feel, & imaging instead of all sounding like it's inside your head.
Loud doesn't mean bad sound - unless U use horns, because horns sound crap @ N E volume whatsoever.
@veyronman U do not believe what U R saying. Even cheap headphones can go very loud & sound clean & clear =) Same with speakers, unless U put them into horns, because horns destroy sound quality with their various reflections & resonances coloring everything making it all honky & harsh like breaking glass & cow moos.
Even a direct radiator line array of low-quality drivers will sound better than a horn. Horns R the absolute bottom in sound quality. Free-standing omnis R best =)
It's like you can't stop your mouth from masturbating even though you admit you don't know anything about P.A.
Why say everyone is retarded when you
admit you don't know p.a. in your blog?
This is a rhetorical question.
Just in case you are RETARDED, rhetorical means that I'm not asking for a response, because I would just get the same bullshit as every one else. But of coarse if you do respond that would prove you ARE retarded AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT.
@golanygo This is not a blog. U R just a troll. No point reading your B.S.. I'm just here stating an obvious helpful fact: Direct radiator line arrays sound better & go louder than horns =)
Now go on screwing yourself by pretending inferior products R better, jackass.
@41point2 All horns suk because of the physics involved. It has nothing 2 do with me. Go on with your insane 'kill-the-messenger' nonsense.
Horns R totally inacurate & distorted transducers, because of the laws of nature. They bounce stuff around getting it all mixed up & mangled, + slow & horrible resonance problems.
No, don't go listen 2 some direct-radiator line arrays, & certainly don't build your own 4 even less. No - that would upset your ridiculous 'brand worship' religion =))
@41point2 BTW: Your psychosis is entertaining =) Explain 2 me this example - how would 'keeping up on the latest doggy poop' make it smell N E different? It's still dog poo. It still falls from a mongrel's azz. It's the same old crap. Feeding the dog lamb instead of beef? Giving it more oats now? Whatever! It's still CRAP! =) Horns R garbage - no exceptions. I've worked in audio my whole life & heard all the designs. There is no such thing as a good sounding horn. It's the physics.
@41point2 U know what's even more hilarious about U 'cult of horn garbage' clowns is most of those 'pro PA' speakers just have horns on the highs, or mids @ most. Few have horns 4 the bass, & even when they do, it's not really 'bass', but 'midbass'. Most PA don't even go lower than about 40. Now that's just sad. U R all so deaf U like 2 pretend ear-mangling annoying super-distorted annoying harsh horn highs @ loud volume make up 4 the lack of bass - like a fat ugly girl with implants! ROFL!
@hitgong U R retarded. Learn 2 speak English & U will understand what a 'direct radiator line array is' =) It has nothing 2 do with horns. U may as well say 'how can a boat sail in the bay without wheels? U R insane.
@41point2 Everything U say is insane anti-sound-quality BS. U R a deaf dork who pukes non-stop lies because U R 2 lazy 2 lift a finger & sell your garbage horn junk & get a real system. Lots of ppl make line arrays, & U can also make them yourself. & even if NOBODY made them in pro (which is certainly not the case) that has nothing 2 do with the fact they sound way better than horns & go way louder.
U R the kind of idiot who would run off a cliff if the electric jew [TV] told U it's 'popular'.
@41point2 What's that cult nutter horn clown deaf retard? U say U want me 2 list some 'names' of whatever bla bla bla? U want me 2 hold your hand do U? Y?? U know Y, not 'cuz U R actually interested in quality sound - no. U just want 2 nit-pick, cherry-pick, & poke & prod @ things puking out more idiot fallacy nonsense like 'bandwagon' & 'appeal 2 authority' & 'false alternative' & 'appeal 2 history' & bla bla bla.
Let me give U some news. Lots of people on Earth drink booze & smoke = bad
@41point2 Here's a tip, get yourself some nice drivers & make your own direct-radiator line array =) Hell U can replace the tweeter horn on your existing GARBAGE horn system with just a few cheap-as-fukall 'stick-on' neodymium car tweeters on a stick. U act like it's complicated. It's easier, simpler, & cheaper than horns, & sounds 10X better.
In a perfect world we would have a front radiating tweeter that could provide the volumes needed for pro concert events in a line array. Until then the use of a compression drive with the use of a horn is a necessity. As much as a horn may suck it is the only particular solution. That's why no one has done what you suggest.
@41point2 Direct-radiator line arrays do exist & R used in many concert systems, but even if they didn't, they SHOULD, because they sound MUCH better than horns & go much LOUDER than horns.
U R insane. U R as dumb as those idiot white girls who screw blax 'cuz the electric jew [TV] tells them it's a good idea - 4 what? 2 make Europe & America more screwed up like Africa? ROFL!!
U R INSANE! =)) Go on with your 'horn worship' cult nutter fanboy BS. It is HILARIOUS!
Some kind of technical info so this can be a discussion of physical facts.
You are suggesting I use a Car tweeter at best with a sensitivity of 92 db in a line array with for p.a. applications that require minimum 121 db peak at the source.
The coupling capability of 6" front radiating mids would be a quarter the wave length center to center. 900 hz Correct? Laws of Physics stuff here.
@41point2 Finally what? U act as if I bother reading your insane 'cult of horn nutter retards who don't care 2 go listen 2 N E thing better than the garbage they R using' BS.
U R like a heroin junkie, ranting & raving how somebody should provide a list of better things 2 shoot their veins with. Here's a suggestion, don't shoot yourself up with ANYTHING! Just stick food into your MOUTH, & do not inject anything into your VEINS!
Horns R bad-sounding. Doesn't matter how U use 'em, they suk.
@golanygo Bla bla troll clown. U R just another dork who attacks people online 4 no reason but 2 try & make your fat ugly weak lame pizza-face existence seem more meaningful. Meanwhile, I posted a simple, obvious truthful comment: Direct-radiator line arrays R way superior 2 horns in every respect but 1, & that is that they consume much more power =)
Power is cheap, therefore horns R now obsolete & 100% INFERIOR.
SELL your horn junk 2 some other brain-dead zombie sucker, & move forward
Attack people? No Just an ass hole like you that shoots his mouth off with no knowledge of what he is talking about. 41POINT2 just served you the facts of the physics and all you can do is attack Him and not the Math.
You're a useless piece of shit.
You never provide any facts to support your argument.
You are talking out your ass hole.
You finally admit Direct Line arrays don't exist but you say they should.
The reason they don't ass hole is because they don't work.
Yeap. That's pretty much it. Duralast is the definition of a YOUTUBE Troll. He has an opinion with no facts. As you notice he finally said
"Direct-radiator line arrays do exist & R used in many concert systems, but even if they didn't, they SHOULD," With out naming one. LOL He doesn't have a clue if they exist and couldn't name one. Yet he keeps talking.
@41point2 U R a troll. U do not address scientific facts, only troll your troll BS dance attacking N E thing that is not a 'retard slave zombie approved' bandwagon lie like the crazy notion that horns R required 2 achieve high volume. They R not. Put direct-radiators in a line & they go louder AND sound infinitely better =)
But yes I understand - U R so self-ruining, like those fat pigs dining on cheeseburgers - so brain-dead & irrational that U actively rail AGAINST superior technology.
@golanygo U R a troll clown, with no interest in sound quality, trying 2 find some kind of 'chat buddy'. I am not your friend, nor do I respect your insane BS nobody including U believes. U R a 'contrarian' who cares nothing about technology or value, just peacock dancing with the 'name brands' 2 wear around your neck like slave 'bling'.
Go enjoy your horn garbage - NOT! Yes, embrace their shrill nails-on-a-blackboard highs & muddy mids like cow moos. U deserve it! Me, I like GOOD sound =)
Now who's the troll Clown? Turns out you have a 3 personalities. And they are all Clowns. I just found the DEATHRAPE2001 one. What kind of name is that? I can't believe you, but it's all right there. You commenting on you, as 41point said.
Who's so desperate to have a "Chat Buddy" you actually took the time to make a channel dedicated to this one. Your a fucking Douche. King of the Troll Clowns and it's all right here.
@golanygo Let's say I am a slab of steak, a bowl of oatmeal - perhaps a spider or dragonfly. OK now move on, dumbass.
All horn speakers suk. They sound terrible. This is because the slug of air colors the sound - resonates like crazy, & the reflections from the nearby surfaces, muddying things up.
If you use direct-radiator line arrays, your system will sound much better =)
Remember, when somebody gives you good advices, attack their shoe size! (fukin' retards)
@golanygo Calling an obvious verifiable fact 'wrong' does not make it so, just like calling night 'wrong' does not turn the moon to daylight. You are insane - and deaf (obviously). Horns sound like trash because of the physics involved. I did not create the laws of nature. They are the same no matter what you PRETEND to believe.
I recall 41point2 already did the math with your Moron concept of using car tweeters for major P.A. application. So the technical facts are over.
You simply repeat what you have said, giving no examples of your stupid design you claim would work. You believe only you have the answer to Live Pro sound. Insult every sound company and sound engineer. Yet you claim you don't do pro sound but still comment. You endorse your own comments as another. LOL U are a liar and Psycho TROLL
@golanygo Bla bla man - do your red herring troll nonsense all day if U wanna', but only shows U have zero interest in sound quality. Rather than accept the reality of natural laws - the rules of physics & things, U go on puking insane BS rants 2 honor your 'cult of horns' nut job circle jerk masturbatory dead-ender zero-brain BS club.
I am here giving U guys good advices, & U go on preaching the joys of heroin. It's HILARIOU!S! =))
@golanygo Who or what I am has nothing 2 do with the fact that the slug of trapped air in front of drivers in horn systems causes undesirable, distorting resonances, as well as all the smearing & hash from the numerous short reflections. Horn speakers suk all by themselves. I have nothing 2 do with them. They do it themselves. They hoover hard. They suk like a tornado. U do not like horns. U just pretend 2 because U have no hearing left after a lifetime of sonic abuse.
@HornSpeakersSuk What else - my choice of toothpaste dictates the speed limit on the highway? You are insane. & by the way - I don't use toothpaste, but baking soda! =D
Remember, sound quality is not as important as calling me a cokroach, or snail, or box of chocolates! Remember, if I am a bowl of jello, magically horns sound wonderful! You are so smart - just call the stars in the sky biscuits, and cats from Pluto will do your laundry.
@golanygo Who or what you may think I am has nothing to do with the fact that horns sound like garbage. What next - the color of my shirt determines the price of tea in China? You are insane.
It really is very fascinating the incredible degree of stupidity of these 'pro' audio clowns. WTF? Stick 'Turbosound' on a plate of dog poop & they will pretend 2 like it? No no - don't actually go listen 2 a direct radiator line array. No no - that would offend 'lord crap sound' ROFL!! "BLASPHEMERS!! How dare U not fart out a series of meaningless brand names" =)) OMG
Hey who cares about sound when U got a 'known' label - like Bose? Advertising is not sound quality U deaf clowns.
@shaolinxdanger 27 isn't 17 is it? & if it uses horns, it sounds harsh. All horns sound harsh compared to direct radiators.
Again you are just here peddling your inventory. Here's a radical concept: Sell your junk & buy some direct-radiator line arrays! =) You know, be solution oriented, instead of 'damage control' basket of lies.
@shaolinxdanger I just looked up the TSW'124. Looks like it weighs a ton, & that horn is not big enough to actually reinforce the deep bass. It's maybe assisting around 60 or so I don't know, but if you want deep bass, Bag end sells direct radiator pro stuff that goes pretty low =)
I wonder if HornSpeakersRGarbage has heard a tractrix horn? It doesn't have any of the honky megaphony ear piercing sound. Sounds like a direct radiator but louder off the same power.
TimpBizkit 5 months ago
what was the track used for the testing?
could someone pm it me
thanks.
TheDJAKTIVE 5 months ago
mmm sounds like quite nice psychedelic stuff..what track is that?
OnnomonnomonnO 7 months ago
I fell in love with turbosound the very first time their quality. I had the privilege to attend a big party with Sasha and john digweed spinning on 164 cabinets of turbosound. Nine inch nails even uses turbosound and hearing nin on that system was awesome. All music sounds great on T.S.!!!!!
triple6junglist 7 months ago
@HornSpeakersRGarbage
you are a fucking asshole. you must be a no-lifer since don't you have anything else to do but writing shit on this video, and therefore no one wants to hear you stupid comments. i am ashamed to be human because of people like you.
aprilialover125 1 year ago
Hi du you have the speaker plans for the sub boxes please?
testa2testa2 1 year ago
ever wonder what this system would sound like with some good old rock and roll
prizmapex 1 year ago
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LiviuPavel 8 months ago
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@prizmapex I did that, at first you think it's loud, just loud, because it's a very clear, transparent sound, but if you try speaking with the person next to you, that's when you'll find out you have no chance, regardless of how loud you'll shout, no one is going to hear you. The harmonics are so well reproduced and without, or extremely low distortion, you won't believe it.
LiviuPavel 8 months ago
The best pro audio iv heard so far on youtube . need more videos of this aspect series ............. Do it
djhimmu 1 year ago
demoing your speakers in a youtube video is pretty pointless
"yes they look nice"
"yes your camcorder mic SUCKS"
I'm sure they will peel the paint off my walls, but not through my desktop speakers :P
sinborn41214 1 year ago
am i just sound retarded? but i find DAS setups to sound better for some reason.
this club that mostly host dnb/dub events has turbo, and its very crisp. But there is something about das setups ive heard over the years, that is more raw
im a noob in soundsystems though, just hear what i hear.
bottle2lip 1 year ago
im more of a funktion - one lover but this still looks fantastic, would like to hear some one day.
a2dds 1 year ago
more more more please
canda1986 1 year ago
Well personally i dont agree with Horns at all, That guy had a point, they do ruin audio quality at high SPL's.
Just my lil piece of input
crackshotnoodles 1 year ago
Hello,
I would like to play this song on my own Turbo speakers.
What is the name of this song?
Thanks a lot,
Greetings from Holland,
LandRoverTeun 1 year ago
I remember TMS 3's and 4's . LOL
There use to be a band from Toronto in the early 90's called Skinny Puppy. Their drum used 2 TMS 3's as Monitors. He had them literally right beside him. I seen an Alice Cooper show in the late 80's that used at the Maple Leaf Gardens. One of the few times, someone was able to get a good sound in that Building.
hitgong 2 years ago
I've blocked hornspeakersSuk from this channel due to continued insulting comments to other users.
Discuss not insult.
answer questions and comments about your posts or find somewhere else to preach.
JNineBar 2 years ago
@JNineBar
That's good news. I was forgetting how great these speakers are. LOL
golanygo 2 years ago
@golanygo They R garbage, because they use horns. All horn speakers suk. There R no exceptions. If U want something good 4 live, try a direct radiator line array or something =) They need more power, but they sound good - & power is cheap now N E way.
HornSpeakersRGarbage 2 years ago
@JNineBar
Hey 9 are you old enough to remember TMS 4's and 3's. My favorite was the TMS4's but the 3's did a lot of major tours in their day. I believe the high end had two 1" drivers that most people swapped out for a 2". The 1" sounded nicer but you never knew you where pushing them to hard until it was to late.
In the 80's I seen them tour with Iron Maiden and Alice Cooper to name a few.
Turbo always sounds great. I wonder what they will be like in 5 years time.
golanygo 2 years ago
@golanygo U R comparing notes about all the various ways 2 paint a turd. It's still a turd. Tweaking a horn speaker is like putting nitro injection on a locomotive - totally pointless.
HornSpeakersRGarbage 2 years ago
@JNineBar U R a deaf clown who plays 'pom pom pom pom' noise. It's no wonder U would pretend horns sound good, if U pretend endless 'pom pom pom pom' is 'music' . Acknowledging reality is not 'preaching'. Truth is not a 'bore'. U R so lame. Go find another job instead of ruining sound, please =)
HornSpeakersRGarbage 2 years ago
One of the things that has facinated me about the top end is the shape of the Beryllium diaphragm. It is an amazing design almost like a cone shape and if I'm not mistaken the path length from the diaphragm to each small individual exit in the horn is the same. These guys always lead in design and the top end is one of the best I've ever heard. The next best I've heard was BMS horn and diver.
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 Beryllium is a flavor-of-the month BS product that rings harsh just like ALL metal diaphrams. The ONLY way 2 keep a metal driver from ringing is 2 slather it in damping (ruining the tracking), or only drive it below about 65Hz.
Different does not mean better. 2 B better it must also have superior PERFORMANCE, not just B new. Remember 'appeal 2 novelty' fallacy. & the # of people using horns does not make them better. Lots of people smoke cigarettes. That mean they R good 4 U?
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
Are you some sick fucking moron?
No one gives a fuck what you and all your personalities have to say.
You are a lair.
You endorse your own comments as another person.
You have stated you have nothing to do with Pro P.A. for the past 20 years. This is the biggest reason what you say doesn't matter.
And yet you find it necessary to comment as if you knew what you where talking about.
You even call the Owner of this channel a Liar!
Why he allows you to take regular shits on this board is beyond me.
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 Bla bla deaf clown. Attacking me doesn't change the fact that the slug of air trapped in front of speakers in a horn setup causes various undesirable resonances, & that the numerous reflections on those extra walls causes time smearing & other distortions, such as the drag on those walls trying 2 push air through them, just like a water pipe 2 small.
Everything U say is anti-reality, anti-scientific deadbrain junkie-boi BS.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
And not that facts have ever gotten in the way of your ass hole or opinion, but the Flavor of the month was first patented in may of 1985. But as always you have no respect for facts unless they come from your mouth. So shove this factual US PATENT # 4,518,443 up your ass.
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 U seem 2 B under the impression I bother reading your BS. It's all just noise.
U R doing 'cherry picking' red herring here - rejecting principle of charity (chasing irrelevant tangents 2 confuse the issue).
Beryllium sounds like crap, because it is hard. Hard diaphrams always suk 4 highs - regardless of their cost. U R the type of 'tard who buys Crapple FagInTosh PCs, thinking they R 'superior' simply because less common, & overpriced, etc.
Admit U R just into it as a FASHION.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@41point2 BTW: I love 2 C how the 'elite patented' whatever has the brainwash on U. U R so simple - your brain so primitive. WTF does rarity have 2 do with quality?? WTF does patenting something have 2 do with good sound? U can patent ANYTHING - a particular blend of dog poop & horse pee, & patent it as 'secret horn-brain's blend' HAHA =))
WTF!! Just 'cuz they PAID THE ANGLO MAFIA (government) 4 'protection' (the right 2 sue those W/same thing) does that make the poop-pee taste better?
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@HornSpeakersSuk
You call Beryllium flavor of the month. I'm pointing out how out of touch you are with P.A..
You can not patent dog shit.
But once again you show how out of touch you are with reality.
Some people here may want to have a REAL discussion about equipment and technology.
You want to insult any one that thinks a modern horn design has a place in professional P.A. You are an ignorant Troll with no data to back up what you call facts.
41point2 2 years ago 2
@41point2 'Flavor of the month' is a term meaning 'trendy novelty BS'. Berylium is unusual yes, & has about the same performance as other metal domes - as in, complete crap =)
U can nit-pick all U like, but there is no such thing as a good-sounding hard-dome tweeter. This is because the metal rings like a cymbal, coloring & distorting the sound. Damping it slows it down below treated silk alternatives. Linaeum designs R even better - mostly due 2 the asymmetrical load & larger surface area
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
This is what is complete crap.
You saying every sound company and sound man in the world is deaf and you a lone have the infinite wisdom to design a pro Line array P.A.
That's Troll arrogance at it's Best. LOL
You pretend you are someone else to agree with you own opinion because no one else will.
That's just a sad psychological problem.
You never answer a Straight question. EVER!!!
Let me demonstrate to others.
Are you Deathrape2001 and Duralastubo?
Watch how he dismisses the question.
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 N E 1 who uses horn speakers is both deaf, & retarded. They DESTROY sound quality. About 70% of the human population on this planet is retarded. Finding a bunch of hippie junkie retard neo-commie fukwit trash 2 pretend they like the horrid sound of horn speakers is easy as pie. The trouble is, even when U give them something that sounds good, like a direct radiator line array, they R way 2 deaf 2 tell the difference =(
HornSpeakersRGarbage 2 years ago
Not just a pathetic Troll.
A super Troll.
Are you fucking desperate for friends?
You actually take the time to make a new channel to comment on one you are blocked from?
You are very sad. LOL
41point2 2 years ago
You're a sad Pathetic bag of shit.
You've been kicked of this page 3 times and you are so desperate to speak.
You don't have friends, do you.
41point2 2 years ago
@HornSpeakersSuk
Thank you for your views on horn speakers.
Please not post any more personal insults to the other visitors on this channel or I will continue to block each new username you register.
JNineBar 2 years ago
@JNineBar Facts R not points of view. Reality is not relative. Truth is not 'a difference of opinion'. The moon is a planet, not a ball of yarn = fact. Horn speakers suk because they resonate & reflect the sound in distorting ways = fact.
Sell your horn junk & get a real system. Also get rid of that annoying zero-talent disposable 'POM POM POM POM' noise while you're @ it. Play some real music - thanx =)
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
Thanks for the posting JNineBar. Have you used this system after rotating the mid high horn? Have you used them in a Line Array configuration?
And if so, what did you discover?
Thank you.
gdandkj 2 years ago
@gdandkj The 880H's as in the video do not have the rotatable mid high section. The 890 full touring version however does. I have used these once in A mode and they build into a nice pint source system.
JNineBar 2 years ago
@JNineBar Rotate a horn all U like - still sounds like junk. Horns sound terrible, because they R horns. No exceptions. Stop wasting your time 'polishing the turd' & get a real system that sounds GOOD 4 a change, like a direct-radiator line array =)
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@gdandkj If they R horns, they surely suk - as in Hoover big time =) What does it matter if U rotate a plate of dog poo some degrees this way or that - it still STINKS!
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
To akdomun: i have not used the Nexo Subs, but from conversations with people that have, they do what they are designed to do.
JNineBar 2 years ago
@JNineBar Lies
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
To JNineBar, hitgong, 41point2, golanygo.
What are you views on Nexo's line of CD Cardioid SubBass subwoofers? Has anyone used/heard them? I'm considering using them for low frequency reinforcement since they claim to control the dispersion of long wavelengths.
akdomun 2 years ago
I got a good demo of it from the rep at a show. As JNINE said, it does control its dispersion and it does sound very good. I believe the electronics is a big part of it. And it cost a million dollars or you first born or something. They also have a very nice line array.
Good Luck.
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 A million dollars? You could build a better system using direct-radiators and some truly BASIC physics knowledge I am certain for about 90% less =) Describe this system and I will explain to you how to beat it for very little money. Most products on Earth are a complete fraud & ripoff, & I am sure that 1 is as well.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@HornSpeakersSuk or should I say Duralastturbo or Deathrape
You have done it. You are the Number one worst loser of all time I have seen on YouTube.
We are all so over you.
You pathetic bitch of a youtube TROLL. LOL
I seriously can't believe you took the time to open up a new channel, AGAIN. HA HA
JNINE is so right. You are a pathetic Laugh.
You are IT !!!
YouTube Troll Loser of ALL TIME.
INSANE? RETARD? What else do you have for us that is all about you.
Write some more, you ARE Funny!
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 Yawn - go on with your insane 'kill-the-messenger' dance, U pothead clown. I insult people only who deserve it, IN ADDITION to providing verifiable scientific facts. I am here giving you clowns good advices, and like heroin junkies, you junkies you guys sit there comparing each other's needles.
I say, and this is a good idea, STOP JABBING YOURSELF! =)
All horns suk = reality 101. Stop wasting your time 'polishing the turd'.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@HornSpeakersSuk
Kill the Messenger? And which messenger are you today?
You been found out you idiot.
You are writing as a third person endorsing what you say as Deathrape and duralast.
You are a sad pathetic TROLL with no one that agrees with you are cares what you say. You are a lair.
No credibility Left.
You are done bitch.
LOL
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 Whoever U may think I am has nothing to do with the fact that all horn speakers sound like crap. You are retards, incapable of scientific thought, with deaf ears, incapable of discerning good sound from bad - the whole word an indistinct murmering 'whur' of ringing & screeching & other blown-out deadear noises. I don't pitty your azzes, just find it unfortunate that so many in 'pro' audio are exactly like you, and the reason that most live sound is absolute crap.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 Oh this is new - if I don't pretend that horns sound like something besides a pile of distorted colored innacurate annoying screechy nonsense, then I must have 'emotional problems'. Yes I know your kind. You are the sort that says phrases like "You'll feel much better after you take the chip (implant)" =)) Go on clown - get all those 'vaccinations'. Mmmm - mercury is good for you!
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
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@HornSpeakersSuk @HornSpeakersSuk
Are you out of touch? I don't fucking care what you have to say about horns.
As has been repeated by others and I'll repeat for you again.
You been found out you idiot.
You are writing as a third person endorsing what you say as Deathrape and duralast.
You are a sad pathetic TROLL with no one that agrees with you are cares what you say.
You are a lair.
No credibility Left.
You are done bitch.
LOL
41point2 2 years ago
@HornSpeakersSuk You are retarded because you cannot grasp even the simplest of physics principles, like the facct that a constrained slug of air has no business in front of a transducer, unless your goal is to massively screw up it's response & make it sound unnatural =) Horns are great at ruining sound - if that is your goal! More power to ya, deaf boy. Just admit that your goal is to wreck the sound, instead of preserve it.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@HornSpeakersSuk
Look you are doing it again. You are crazy. You are talking with yourself. Don't you even read where you are commenting? You must be a little freaked out when you write to over look you are writing to yourself. LOL
hitgong 2 years ago
@hitgong Doing WHAT again? Oh please horn cult nutter forgive me for telling you the truth =) I am so sorry for sharing the reality of the laws of nature that cause horns to color the sound & turn it to harsh mush with unwanted artifical annoying reflections in the sound. Please I can not help but be honest. Lord save me from truth - deliver me 2 the sweet bliss of horrid-sounding horn-loaded BS! =))
U got a little shrine with a horn there @ the altar - LoL!! Grow some ears, retard.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@41point2 Horn speakers suk, because the slug of air resonates like crazy, & the reflextions muddy the sound. Everything you clowns say is absurd ANTI-sound quality BS. It's very entertaining to watch - like a junkie shooting up smack, or a train wreck, or those 'body modification' fools chopping off their own fingers.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
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@HornSpeakersSuk
You are nothing.
A fraud.
A liar.
No Credibility.
Definitely psyco problems.
It's pointless to discuss anything with you.
41point2 2 years ago
@akdomun The best bass response is achieved by using drivers mounted in tubes (cannot flex = clarity) with flared ports (picks up the low end), & locating all of them in (or as close as you can) to the middle of the performance. This creates a single coherent wavefront, and eliminates the sluggish muddy BS that is horn loaded 'midbass assist' design. The only 'dispersion control' in PA bass rigs comes from the long (30'+) arraying of drivers, not the BS horns they may sit within.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
If you can provide me with a brand and a model which does what you say, that would be great. I know these exist for home theatre subs, but i haven't seen them for live sound yet.
akdomun 2 years ago
@akdomun Brand name is not relevant. It's about design. You can build direct-radiator line arrays yourself. It's very simple. Get some stick-on silk dome car tweeters & put them on a stick, instead of your horn tweeter. Move up from there - mids, lows, etc. Stick the lows in tubes. Personally I like omnidirectional designs, but there are lots of DIY sites out there with line array plans. It is very easy. Pretend you have a brain for once in your life =) The cost of DIY is much lower too.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@akdomun BTW: You can also clear up the bass somewhat by putting extra speakers in the hot spots, out of phase (just like cutting a hole in the area where it piles up - to let it out).
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
Hi, I have a question. I know these turbosound models claim to have 25x15 dispersion pattern. How true is it? does it really make a big difference if you walk in and out of the dispersion area? I'm designing a system for my school which has highly reverberant walls and ceiling but a soft rubber floor so i need to know if they are true to their dispersion claim so that I could use them to send the sound only to the floor where i'll be absorbed, this minimising echoes. Thanks
akdomun 2 years ago
@akdomun If U wnat something that actually sounds good AND goes loud, instead of just going loud & sounding like a pile of breaking glass and noise, then stay the hell away from horns. There is no such thing as a good sounding horn speaker. The physics make it impossible. Direct-radiator line arrays sound much more natural & go much louder. They simply require much more power. Since power is cheap & light these days, the only reason 2 buy horns is consumer retardation & marketing lies.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
The advantage for me is the tight coverage pattern which can be obtained with these turbosound horns. but if you say direct radiating is better, i do not disagree. I myself am an audiophile and have really good direct radiating speakers in my home. But there are really few models of direct radiating P.A speakers for live sound. Could you propose me a direct radiating model which has a tight dispersion pattern? This would greatly help me, thanks.
akdomun 2 years ago
@akdomun @akdomun Brand name is irrelevant. Direct-radiators R not only much better sounding than horns, but also much simpler 2 make - almost comically so. Stick some tweets or whatever in a line & there U go! LOTS of 'DIY' stuff about them online 2 =)
I am here 2 help people achieve better sound, not rip them off like a 'brand zombie'.
If U want narrow beam sound, line them HORIZONTALLLY! &/or damp the sides = way more narrow than N E horn. HORNS SUK @ EVERYTHING
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
Your "here to help people."
What a pile of shit.
Okay ass wipe. Help people and tell them where they can get this IMAGINARY PA design of yours.
Oh wait lets go back to your excuse of, "Brand Zombie"
Only you are smart enough to design a Line Array that every other sound company in the world is to stupid to figure out. LOL
You such stupid egotistic Ass Hole.
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 Go on with your 'kill-the-messenger' BS. No, don't go listen 2 some direct radiator line arrays. It's all about my shoe size! =)) U R insane. How does it feel? Must B tormentful.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
This Jnine puts up a great Vid demoing Turbo sound and you the TROLL have to comment like you know something.
That's what trolls do.
You even said you haven't looked at pro P.A. for 20 years but you have to comment on it any ways.
Now that is insane.
41point2 2 years ago
I have a better one 41. This is how much of a troll Duraturbo is. I read him defending Deathrapes Horn Story. It turns out according to JNINE this loser IS Deathrape. JNINE doesn't bother to block him because he will open up another channel and JNINE loves how stupid he makes himself look every time he talks. By the way JNINE has a great web site and shows thousands at his parties. Duraturd is probably at home by himself whacking off a coke bottle LOL
Duradeathrape you are the biggest Loser LOL
hitgong 2 years ago
@hitgong Attacking someone for stating simple, easily verifiable facts is very lame. You should go 2 the store & buy yourself a clue ~;-)
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
Lame is you pretending to be someone else endorsing your own statements. Now that's a verifiable fact you got Troll. LOL JNINE is so right. You are a joke every time you open your mouth. Tell us another one Troll.
hitgong 2 years ago
@hitgong You you you bla bla bla. I thought this was a video about a crappy sounding pair of horn speakers (as if there is N E other type of horn speaker but crappy-sounding ones?) - but thanx 4 the tip! Now I understand it's all about the type of shoes I wear, and whether I had a sandwich for lunch instead of soup! Thanx 4 filling me in! =)
If my hair is blonde, then dolphins turn to birds! It's all about 'me' right?? Who cares about the fact that horns sound like GARBAGE!
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@HornSpeakersSuk
Fact: You are a Liar and a fraud
Hence what you say is not relevant. Can I make it any simpler?
hitgong 2 years ago
@hitgong Fact, horn speakers resonate like crazy on top of muddying the sound up with early reflection mud. The size of the inseam on my pants has nothing 2 do with it. U R insane & don't believe a word U say. U R just a clown trying 2 'protect your investment' in horn GARBAGE. Sell it & get a GOOD system, dork.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@41point2 You are doing 'red herring' fallacy. The issue is not whether Dura has heard everything, but the fact that horns, by nature, suk. There is no such thing as a good-sounding horn speaker because the physics of the design prohibit it - just like physics prohibits oil from sinking in water (less dense). Get a grip.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@akdomun BTW if U wanna' B really extreme can use basses as mids, like get a really tight sprung no-excursion type 'PA' driver & use it 4 mids. This will beam the mids 'cuz the driver is larger than the wavelengths. Same deal if U array small drivers - knocks out 2 the top @ bottom (or sides if sideways), or top & bottom if arranged as 'panel', etc.
U don't need horns 2 control pattern. Marketers of horns lie. They have 2, 'cuz horns R crap & U can't peddle inferior crap W/honesty! =))
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
You've got some really interesting ideas there, and good application of physics! Worth trying. Will try as soon as I get some tools, equipment and funding :) Thanks!
akdomun 2 years ago
@akdomun Personally I prefer omnidirectional speakers as they don't 'honk' like cones. Even the cones themselves create little 'mini horns' due 2 the shape. Sometimes removing the dust cap helps, but the conical shape itself creates horn-like resonance problems =( Free-standing point source is by far the best sound, but they don't go as loud. The sound is much 'bigger' (ironically), because it is evenly directed more places =)
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
Omnidirectional for P.A. LOL
Modern P.A. designs are doing everything to Control the patern
Your still proving your a Fucking Moron.
hitgong 2 years ago
@hitgong Hey you're right - Y have something omnidirectional with equal coverage pattern n' stuff, when U can rip off morons like U by convincing them they need another set of speakers 4 every few more degrees of 'coverage. O', & don't forget more amps & cables & stands 2 drive all those totally unnecessary redundant crap-sounding harsh horn garbage PA 'flashlight' honkers! ROFL!!
Don't B efficient & clever, when U can just waste that $ instead! WHOOP!
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
What are your views on phase bungs and axe head wave guides that eliminate the phase indifferences created by the cone shape of a loudspeaker driver?
JNineBar 2 years ago
Are you talking about Phase plugs in front of the driver?
If so I honestly couldn't say other than it seems to make sense in theory. One thing I do know is that your Aspect is one of the best systems I have ever heard. Is that what is happening in this cabinet?
hitgong 2 years ago
the question was aimed at DuralastTurbo ...but yeah, The Aspect use the "polyhorn" a multi segment waveguide, that delays the sound from different parts of the drivers and diphragms by extending the path length of the some of the segments to give a phase cohearant point source wavefront
JNineBar 2 years ago
@JNineBar O' it's not a 'horn', it's a 'multi-segment wave guide'. That'll fix it - NOT! Call it whatever U like, but when U stick crap in front of a driver, all it does is fuk up the sound. Get things away, & U got a tighter, cleaner connection 2 the listener. Jeez U clowns have zero common sense whatsoever!! wow
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@hitgong Phase plugs don't fix a damn thing. U R still dealing with convoluted resonant slugs of air & lots of reflecting surfaces = distortion & muddyness. All horns R junk.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@JNineBar I do not have 'views'. I simply acknowledge reality =) Doesn't matter what kind of plugs & wedges & other buzz-phrase crap the horn clowns peddle. ALL horns sound like crap, & no, they do nothing remotely close 2 reducing or eliminating problems with horns. The air itself resonates when contained, never mind the reflections from all the surfaces in a horn 2 bounce around fuking things up. Cup your soft hands around your mouth = coloration. It is not avoidable nor can B designed out
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
Duralast just suggested omnidirectional speakers for a P.A. Please ask any sound man in the world that does live p.a. as to how utterly stupid this is. You had the right idea by haveing a tight pattern control.
The key word is "Control" Not bouncing off the walls and creating phase and lobbing with in the room.
This Turbo P.A is incredible sounding but very expensive.
hitgong 2 years ago
@hitgong Omnidirectional PA is wonderful - best imaging U will ever find, & none of that horrible horn coloration =) I have heard such systems & they R truly awesome. I would give U a brand name 2 check out, but U R not interested in good sound - just ranting & attacking. U R a clown.
Yes, omnidirectional PA - superior 2 horns (as if N E thing isn't superior 2 horns? All horns R CRAP! So that is SO EASY! =)
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
I have one more question, if I plan to use two speakers in stereo each facing each other with the audience in the middle, this creates a more surround like experience but would it cause comb filtering effects?
akdomun 2 years ago
@akdomun U get comb-filtering 'phasey' effects no matter where U put speakers, UNLESS each speaker has just unique information! In other words, U can ELIMINATE comb-filtering by simply setting up many speakers & giving each item it's own speaker =)
Something U might do is mono the bass, & set up 4 speakers 4 mids & highs, & each item ONLY goes 2 1 speaker. I.E.: "hard pan" 2 speaker 1, 2, 3, or 4. No mixing 'in-between' 4 N E item = much more clarity! =D
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
Hi Akdomun
Read Duralast's comments below. He actually admits he knows nothing about P.A. and doesn't fallow it.
There is no quality Line Array that doesn't use some form of horn. He talks about brand names being irrelevant because if he was to name one the technical data would prove him wrong.
He even suggested using Car neo tweeter. I did the simple math for him and he is simply in denial. His ego won't let him see other wise.
This guy is a troll
Just read everyone talking with him.
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 Look up 'red herring fallacy' on Wikipedia. No point reading or responding 2 your insane laundry lists of irrelevant tangents. The key here is U R not interested in good sound, only promoting your insane devotion 2 inferior technology = horns.
U R like a junkie peddling the blessings of heroin. It's ridiculous.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
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akdomun 2 years ago
I am the owner of the speakers in the video. I own 8 aspect in total and use them in many different venues for my sound rental company. The pattern control is VERY precise. The 25x15 is based on -6 to -10db points if i remember correctly. Obviously you do get sound radiating outside of the 25x15 but if you do want tight dispertion control these aspect do it very well.
JNineBar 2 years ago
I've never met a DJ that would make such an investment into their sound. I bet you have amazing gig's. What city do you play in?
hitgong 2 years ago
Hi JNineBar, thanks for the info. This is a good real life review which I badly needed aside from the claimed review. If aspects sound good from a camera mic, then I imagine in real life it'll be awesome! I'm actually gonna use the TA-500Dp since I need a larger coverage pattern.
@hitgong And yes, I agree, using Omni speakers is suicide in any indoor environment. My whole aim was to control the dispersion. Thanks
akdomun 2 years ago
@akdomun O' yes, do explain 2 us how omni is 'suicide' in a (insert meaningless venu here) environment. Do tell.... like how a violyn sounds horrible unless U amp it through a Turbosound 2 'control it's coverage pattern'.
Seriously, how do U manage 2 wipe your azz? Instruments R omnidirectional. Only a 'horn cult nutter' would pretend a speaker 'ruins' the sound if it more closely emulates theinstrument it is attempting 2 reproduce! U R quite a comedian! =)) Thanx 4 the laugh!!!
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
I do not disagree that an omni speaker sounds really good and life-like and would not mind having them in my home. But I'm faced with a problem here, there are too many reflections in my venue and I have also felt the pain of a booing audience because they can't understand a damn thing of what is said or heard through the P.A. It's all about % ALCONS, i.e. percentage articulated loss of Consonants. The sharp attack of words and instruments are smuged and rendered unintelligible.
akdomun 2 years ago
@akdomun It is the poor quality of your sound system that makes it unintelligible, not their directionality. Omni speakers sound MORE realistic, not less, because they better mimic the natural response of the instruments they R attempting 2 reproduce. I have of course already stated this, but U R a retarded junkie clown so your brain does not retain.
Some examples of 'horrible omnidirectional' instruments:
Drums
Strings
Voices
etc!
Horns R like trying 2 push harp through a drum head = colored
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
Are you suggesting that Drums, strings & voices are horrible instruments? Then you shouldn't be advising anyone about anything music related. Don't u get it? there are way too many reflections in my venue, to the point where you can't understand a damn thing. Doesn't take a degree to work out that you need to increase the ratio of direct sound:reflected sound. No matter how good omnis sound, they will reflect everywhere like crazy which will make the situation even worse.
akdomun 2 years ago
Reflections are ideal to liven up and instrument, but these reflections should occur in the stage area, then it is projected to the audience where it is not fully but partially reflected (~20%) and this is enough. My venue has way too many reflections of different times, and the %ALCONS is high, that is, the % articulated loss of consonants. So if I say 'coke', people would hear "oak". Any sharp attack in a speech or instrument is smudged and rendered unintelligible. Thus, control is the key.
akdomun 2 years ago
@akdomun LATE reflections liven up an instrument - if DESIRED (not always better). Early reflections (like refraction in a horn) is UNdesireable & just turns stuff 2 mud (comparatively speaking, compared 2 direct-radiators =)
Everything U say is completely insane. It's really fascinating, this thread, like watching a bunch of potheads chant up the blessings of weed. O' yes, makes U slow & stupid - how wonderful! LoL!!
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@akdomun U know what's even more hilarious about what U just said ('reflections liven up an instrument') is that if N E thing, omnis provide this much better than horns, because they throw sound in more directions, so it has the opportunity 2 exhibit more 'reflections' =) U know, late ones - the kind that make things sound 'bigger', not just 'annoying' like horn's closed-in 'sound like a moo box' junk.
U R slitting your own throat - contradicting yourself, but your accidental honesty was nice
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@akdomun U know what else, most of your prescious 'wonderful horn systems' R actually omnidirectional once U go below a few hundred Hz. WTF man - B consistent, retard. They just put horn mids & highs on them 2 make idiots like U think they R more 'powerful'. More annoying is all - turning the highs 2 absolute CRAP! If U wanna' make it more 'powerful', how about increasing the depth & clarity of the bass response! Noooo - that would require actual VALUE instead of SCAM! =)
Direct-radiators!
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
OMG That's so Troll of Duralast.
You ARE deathrape and I thought so at first.
I kept saying to myself, what are the chance TWO morons would be as stupid as you.
How pathetic can you get, to be blocked from a channel and then say you are someone else and start backing up your own arguement as a new person.
You define Loser.
I realize now, every time you wrote RETARD and INSANE, in were looking in a mirror.
TROLL LOL
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 All you deaf retards do is attack the messenger. You have no interest in sound quality, just stroking your wangs to your horrible-sounding horn boxes. I have news for you. They are not your cok. They are not your body. You can sell them and get something that actually sounds good! =) Sell them to some other deaf moron, and improve your setup by using direct radiators! =D
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
Are you realizing what an ass hole Duralast is yet?
He knows fuck all.
hitgong 2 years ago
@hitgong Duralast merely speaks the truth, & you are a fool who prefers to contradict facts, just to be a pest.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@hitgong They R horns. All horns sound like garbage. U R not missing N E thing. Do your ears even work? Or have they been ruined by damage from horns?
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@JNineBar U should sell your Turbosound garbage & get some GOOD sounding speakers - direct-radiator line arrays =) Guys like U R the reason live sound is so awful that most people never bother going 2 clubs or concerts, but listen @ home instead. Y? 'Cuz all horns sound like CRAP & most people don't like things 2 sound like CRAP! =)
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
DuralastTurbo, I came here looking for advice and solutions, but not a dictatorship from u trying to force everyone to believe what you believe. If so, why do bands like Trivium use turbosound? Why does turbosound receive so many positive remarks every time they're used? Think again, they spent time and money into research. Even experts at Bose and all engineers know that controlling dispersion is essential in hot venues.
What you say may apply in a home, but not in a highly reverberant venue.
akdomun 2 years ago
@akdomun Oh I understand - if someone gives you some obvious, clear and observable facts, that is 'forcing' you, and you must 'rebel' by pretending you believe a bunch of nonsense like 'horn speakers sound wonderful'. You are the same kind of jackass who goes around attacking American culture, pretending Kenya has something to offer for improvement! ROFL!! Yes, we have problems, but much of the world - including that open sewer - is INFINITELY WORSE!
Fantasy is not reality.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
HornSpeakersSuk, you sound a lot like DuralastTurbo, maybe your are him. I have nothing against both of you, if you like direct radiators that's fine by me. Yes the physics may prove horns wrong but at the end of the day, it's how it performs that matter; you can't speak to an audience about how d.radiators are better if they can't understand a word can u? I want focused dispersion turbosounds. I've heard enough on how horns suck, but at least my audience will understand me. End of story
akdomun 2 years ago
@akdomun If I were a cockroach with 6 heads, that has nothing to do with the fact that all horns sound like crap.
You are so retarded that you can't even move past who is typing on a keyboard, and actually investigate WHAT IS SAID. You are INSANE, & retarded - not kidding at all.
No - don't go listen to a good line array. Don't save money. Don't sell off your terrible-sounding horn garbage. No, just sit there ranting about my shoe size ROFL!!
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
Loud sound is not congruent with good quality sound.
veyronman 2 years ago
@veyronman Direct radiator line arrays can go much louder than horns, & the sound remains clean & clear =) It's an interesting experience - rather like good headphones but with bass U can feel, & imaging instead of all sounding like it's inside your head.
Loud doesn't mean bad sound - unless U use horns, because horns sound crap @ N E volume whatsoever.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@veyronman U do not believe what U R saying. Even cheap headphones can go very loud & sound clean & clear =) Same with speakers, unless U put them into horns, because horns destroy sound quality with their various reflections & resonances coloring everything making it all honky & harsh like breaking glass & cow moos.
Even a direct radiator line array of low-quality drivers will sound better than a horn. Horns R the absolute bottom in sound quality. Free-standing omnis R best =)
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@DuralastTurbo
Your bloging is retarded
It's like you can't stop your mouth from masturbating even though you admit you don't know anything about P.A.
Why say everyone is retarded when you
admit you don't know p.a. in your blog?
This is a rhetorical question.
Just in case you are RETARDED, rhetorical means that I'm not asking for a response, because I would just get the same bullshit as every one else. But of coarse if you do respond that would prove you ARE retarded AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT.
golanygo 2 years ago
@golanygo This is not a blog. U R just a troll. No point reading your B.S.. I'm just here stating an obvious helpful fact: Direct radiator line arrays sound better & go louder than horns =)
Now go on screwing yourself by pretending inferior products R better, jackass.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
Rhetorical your fucking Retard. I even spelled it out for you. LOL
What a Retard!!! OMG
golanygo 2 years ago
@golanygo U R a troll - your comment having nothing whatsoever 2 do with the video or sound.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@DuralastTurbo
Your a fucking Hippocratic!
This video is about live p.a.
You say you haven't fallow P.A. for 20 years and yet your make comments on designs that are sonically impossible for LIVE P.A.
You Never answer the question directed at this Video.
WHAT LINE ARRAY EXISTS WITH OUT A HORN?
And you use the lamest excuse "I'm not a Brand Zombie!" Everyone that read this knows that is such a TROLL excuse for NO Answer.
And Golanygo just proved YOU are the RETARD!!! LOL
Good one Lany!
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 All horns suk because of the physics involved. It has nothing 2 do with me. Go on with your insane 'kill-the-messenger' nonsense.
Horns R totally inacurate & distorted transducers, because of the laws of nature. They bounce stuff around getting it all mixed up & mangled, + slow & horrible resonance problems.
No, don't go listen 2 some direct-radiator line arrays, & certainly don't build your own 4 even less. No - that would upset your ridiculous 'brand worship' religion =))
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@41point2 BTW: Your psychosis is entertaining =) Explain 2 me this example - how would 'keeping up on the latest doggy poop' make it smell N E different? It's still dog poo. It still falls from a mongrel's azz. It's the same old crap. Feeding the dog lamb instead of beef? Giving it more oats now? Whatever! It's still CRAP! =) Horns R garbage - no exceptions. I've worked in audio my whole life & heard all the designs. There is no such thing as a good sounding horn. It's the physics.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@41point2 U know what's even more hilarious about U 'cult of horn garbage' clowns is most of those 'pro PA' speakers just have horns on the highs, or mids @ most. Few have horns 4 the bass, & even when they do, it's not really 'bass', but 'midbass'. Most PA don't even go lower than about 40. Now that's just sad. U R all so deaf U like 2 pretend ear-mangling annoying super-distorted annoying harsh horn highs @ loud volume make up 4 the lack of bass - like a fat ugly girl with implants! ROFL!
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
Answer the question Retard!
What hf can work in a line array with out a horn?
hitgong 2 years ago
@hitgong U R retarded. Learn 2 speak English & U will understand what a 'direct radiator line array is' =) It has nothing 2 do with horns. U may as well say 'how can a boat sail in the bay without wheels? U R insane.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@DuralastTurbo Your an Ass.
There is no such thing as a Line Array for P.A. that doesn't use Horn.
That's why you don't name it.
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 Everything U say is insane anti-sound-quality BS. U R a deaf dork who pukes non-stop lies because U R 2 lazy 2 lift a finger & sell your garbage horn junk & get a real system. Lots of ppl make line arrays, & U can also make them yourself. & even if NOBODY made them in pro (which is certainly not the case) that has nothing 2 do with the fact they sound way better than horns & go way louder.
U R the kind of idiot who would run off a cliff if the electric jew [TV] told U it's 'popular'.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
You said
even if NOBODY made them in pro (which is certainly not the case)
Name them?
You also said "electric jew TV." Which is really all that needs to be said about you as a sub human being.
If you ARE a solvac of some kind, Hitler wanted you dead too.
I don't might you being an asshole, but I would never want you dead because of your heritage. You just make Albanians look ignorant.
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 What's that cult nutter horn clown deaf retard? U say U want me 2 list some 'names' of whatever bla bla bla? U want me 2 hold your hand do U? Y?? U know Y, not 'cuz U R actually interested in quality sound - no. U just want 2 nit-pick, cherry-pick, & poke & prod @ things puking out more idiot fallacy nonsense like 'bandwagon' & 'appeal 2 authority' & 'false alternative' & 'appeal 2 history' & bla bla bla.
Let me give U some news. Lots of people on Earth drink booze & smoke = bad
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@41point2 Here's a tip, get yourself some nice drivers & make your own direct-radiator line array =) Hell U can replace the tweeter horn on your existing GARBAGE horn system with just a few cheap-as-fukall 'stick-on' neodymium car tweeters on a stick. U act like it's complicated. It's easier, simpler, & cheaper than horns, & sounds 10X better.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
In a perfect world we would have a front radiating tweeter that could provide the volumes needed for pro concert events in a line array. Until then the use of a compression drive with the use of a horn is a necessity. As much as a horn may suck it is the only particular solution. That's why no one has done what you suggest.
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 Direct-radiator line arrays do exist & R used in many concert systems, but even if they didn't, they SHOULD, because they sound MUCH better than horns & go much LOUDER than horns.
U R insane. U R as dumb as those idiot white girls who screw blax 'cuz the electric jew [TV] tells them it's a good idea - 4 what? 2 make Europe & America more screwed up like Africa? ROFL!!
U R INSANE! =)) Go on with your 'horn worship' cult nutter fanboy BS. It is HILARIOUS!
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
Finally !!!
Some kind of technical info so this can be a discussion of physical facts.
You are suggesting I use a Car tweeter at best with a sensitivity of 92 db in a line array with for p.a. applications that require minimum 121 db peak at the source.
The coupling capability of 6" front radiating mids would be a quarter the wave length center to center. 900 hz Correct? Laws of Physics stuff here.
3 x 2" dome hf coupled to a generous 97 db
No tweeter can maintain 121 db at 900 hz.
Fact
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 Finally what? U act as if I bother reading your insane 'cult of horn nutter retards who don't care 2 go listen 2 N E thing better than the garbage they R using' BS.
U R like a heroin junkie, ranting & raving how somebody should provide a list of better things 2 shoot their veins with. Here's a suggestion, don't shoot yourself up with ANYTHING! Just stick food into your MOUTH, & do not inject anything into your VEINS!
Horns R bad-sounding. Doesn't matter how U use 'em, they suk.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@DuralastTurbo
You're the Troll, Douche.
I see you never answer the question everyone asked and even I know everyone else is making sense.
I think as long as you make the last comment even if you don't make any sense, you think you are right.
Now that is a troll move.
Your a retarded Douche. LOL
Now say something again to show your a Douche!
golanygo 2 years ago
@golanygo Bla bla troll clown. U R just another dork who attacks people online 4 no reason but 2 try & make your fat ugly weak lame pizza-face existence seem more meaningful. Meanwhile, I posted a simple, obvious truthful comment: Direct-radiator line arrays R way superior 2 horns in every respect but 1, & that is that they consume much more power =)
Power is cheap, therefore horns R now obsolete & 100% INFERIOR.
SELL your horn junk 2 some other brain-dead zombie sucker, & move forward
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
Attack people? No Just an ass hole like you that shoots his mouth off with no knowledge of what he is talking about. 41POINT2 just served you the facts of the physics and all you can do is attack Him and not the Math.
You're a useless piece of shit.
You never provide any facts to support your argument.
You are talking out your ass hole.
You finally admit Direct Line arrays don't exist but you say they should.
The reason they don't ass hole is because they don't work.
golanygo 2 years ago
Yeap. That's pretty much it. Duralast is the definition of a YOUTUBE Troll. He has an opinion with no facts. As you notice he finally said
"Direct-radiator line arrays do exist & R used in many concert systems, but even if they didn't, they SHOULD," With out naming one. LOL He doesn't have a clue if they exist and couldn't name one. Yet he keeps talking.
A YOUTUBE Troll. Duralasturbo
No Facts Just verbal Masturbation.
You are a special Clown Dura.
A sad one.
41point2 2 years ago
@41point2 U R a troll. U do not address scientific facts, only troll your troll BS dance attacking N E thing that is not a 'retard slave zombie approved' bandwagon lie like the crazy notion that horns R required 2 achieve high volume. They R not. Put direct-radiators in a line & they go louder AND sound infinitely better =)
But yes I understand - U R so self-ruining, like those fat pigs dining on cheeseburgers - so brain-dead & irrational that U actively rail AGAINST superior technology.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@golanygo U R a troll clown, with no interest in sound quality, trying 2 find some kind of 'chat buddy'. I am not your friend, nor do I respect your insane BS nobody including U believes. U R a 'contrarian' who cares nothing about technology or value, just peacock dancing with the 'name brands' 2 wear around your neck like slave 'bling'.
Go enjoy your horn garbage - NOT! Yes, embrace their shrill nails-on-a-blackboard highs & muddy mids like cow moos. U deserve it! Me, I like GOOD sound =)
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
Now who's the troll Clown? Turns out you have a 3 personalities. And they are all Clowns. I just found the DEATHRAPE2001 one. What kind of name is that? I can't believe you, but it's all right there. You commenting on you, as 41point said.
Who's so desperate to have a "Chat Buddy" you actually took the time to make a channel dedicated to this one. Your a fucking Douche. King of the Troll Clowns and it's all right here.
What's your next line of verbal masturbation? LOL
golanygo 2 years ago
@golanygo Let's say I am a slab of steak, a bowl of oatmeal - perhaps a spider or dragonfly. OK now move on, dumbass.
All horn speakers suk. They sound terrible. This is because the slug of air colors the sound - resonates like crazy, & the reflections from the nearby surfaces, muddying things up.
If you use direct-radiator line arrays, your system will sound much better =)
Remember, when somebody gives you good advices, attack their shoe size! (fukin' retards)
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
Actually you are wrong once again. The is no point in having a discussion with someone who is a Liar. It's called "Lack of Credibility."
You have a psycological problem. You seem to want to have the last word with everyone here and everyone thinks of you as a useless Troll.
Heed your own advice and "move on".
golanygo 2 years ago
@golanygo Calling an obvious verifiable fact 'wrong' does not make it so, just like calling night 'wrong' does not turn the moon to daylight. You are insane - and deaf (obviously). Horns sound like trash because of the physics involved. I did not create the laws of nature. They are the same no matter what you PRETEND to believe.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@HornSpeakersSuk
I recall 41point2 already did the math with your Moron concept of using car tweeters for major P.A. application. So the technical facts are over.
You simply repeat what you have said, giving no examples of your stupid design you claim would work. You believe only you have the answer to Live Pro sound. Insult every sound company and sound engineer. Yet you claim you don't do pro sound but still comment. You endorse your own comments as another. LOL U are a liar and Psycho TROLL
golanygo 2 years ago
@golanygo Bla bla man - do your red herring troll nonsense all day if U wanna', but only shows U have zero interest in sound quality. Rather than accept the reality of natural laws - the rules of physics & things, U go on puking insane BS rants 2 honor your 'cult of horns' nut job circle jerk masturbatory dead-ender zero-brain BS club.
I am here giving U guys good advices, & U go on preaching the joys of heroin. It's HILARIOU!S! =))
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@HornSpeakersSuk
You aren't looking to help anyone other than your own ego.
Hence Troll!
You are so fucking stupid you have advices that we can use Car Neo tweeters for HF of Pro touring line array.
You don't have a clue how stupid that is do you?
Go ahead and show us data of how that is possible.
You won't
You are a troll and like 41 said you will just make an excuse to not answer the question.
With more BS.
Show us the numbers of you Natural law or just fuck off!!!
golanygo 2 years ago
@golanygo Who or what I am has nothing 2 do with the fact that the slug of trapped air in front of drivers in horn systems causes undesirable, distorting resonances, as well as all the smearing & hash from the numerous short reflections. Horn speakers suk all by themselves. I have nothing 2 do with them. They do it themselves. They hoover hard. They suk like a tornado. U do not like horns. U just pretend 2 because U have no hearing left after a lifetime of sonic abuse.
HornSpeakersRGarbage 2 years ago
@HornSpeakersRGarbage You could at least learn to spell before trying to insult everyone. It makes you look utterly moronic.
LightRig 1 year ago
@HornSpeakersSuk What else - my choice of toothpaste dictates the speed limit on the highway? You are insane. & by the way - I don't use toothpaste, but baking soda! =D
Remember, sound quality is not as important as calling me a cokroach, or snail, or box of chocolates! Remember, if I am a bowl of jello, magically horns sound wonderful! You are so smart - just call the stars in the sky biscuits, and cats from Pluto will do your laundry.
WTF do I have 2 do with horns sounding terrible?
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
@HornSpeakersSuk
Are you talking to yourself here....Again. LOL
What a loser.
hitgong 2 years ago
@golanygo Who or what you may think I am has nothing to do with the fact that horns sound like garbage. What next - the color of my shirt determines the price of tea in China? You are insane.
HornSpeakersSuk 2 years ago
It really is very fascinating the incredible degree of stupidity of these 'pro' audio clowns. WTF? Stick 'Turbosound' on a plate of dog poop & they will pretend 2 like it? No no - don't actually go listen 2 a direct radiator line array. No no - that would offend 'lord crap sound' ROFL!! "BLASPHEMERS!! How dare U not fart out a series of meaningless brand names" =)) OMG
Hey who cares about sound when U got a 'known' label - like Bose? Advertising is not sound quality U deaf clowns.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
TSW-721: 50Hz to 150Hz
TSW-124 : 27hz-300hz (low enough for most MUSIC except organ pipes).
shaolinxdanger 2 years ago
@shaolinxdanger 27 isn't 17 is it? & if it uses horns, it sounds harsh. All horns sound harsh compared to direct radiators.
Again you are just here peddling your inventory. Here's a radical concept: Sell your junk & buy some direct-radiator line arrays! =) You know, be solution oriented, instead of 'damage control' basket of lies.
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago
@shaolinxdanger I just looked up the TSW'124. Looks like it weighs a ton, & that horn is not big enough to actually reinforce the deep bass. It's maybe assisting around 60 or so I don't know, but if you want deep bass, Bag end sells direct radiator pro stuff that goes pretty low =)
DuralastTurbo 2 years ago