@jbosco08 Alleluia that you are laughing.....many Christians are so sullen faced and pompous that you would never know they believed in the God of life.
This fellow is wearing a white T-shirt and wearing an Episcopal ring at the same time, sitting at a table with a Chalice, Paten, a Cross, not a Crucifix and two lighted Candles in candlesticks. I wonder if he realizes that he is offending untold numbers of Christians who regard these sacred symbols with a holy reverence. It is very disappointing that someone claiming to be a Christian from a liturgical Christian group would post such a disrespectful video on the. YouTube
@frbjoernLA Regard Jesus with a holy reverence, to whom the symbols point, but don't worship the symbols and ditch the Jesus who reached out to those on the edge. Wherein lies the 'disrespect'?
@postthehost I do regard out Lord Jesus with a holy recerence and I think in some strange way you are trying to do the same with your Mickey Mouse adjustment of the Holy Liturgy. Why not be a Non Conformist Minister of the Gospel which would be OK. Most of them love and revere our Lord Jesus as their Saviour. But please show respect for those Christians who regard the Liturgy as holy and sacred. I worship God, not Liturgy, throught Christ with reverent respect for ancient Christian Symbols.
@frbjoernLA It appears contradictory for you to ask for respect to be shown towards one approach while expressing disrespect towards another approach. I respect 'ancient Christian Symbols' and so do not want any section of the population to be deprived of them. An infant doesn't appreciate the complexity of opera or language. Their relationship with sound is exploratory leading them to the codified use of sounds that forms the basis of linguistics and music. So too the spiritual quest.
@postthehost It only appears that way! But the time honored liturgy, which may well be of Divine origin very is sacred to many people. I am aware that Infants do not appreciate the complexity and beauty of Opera any more than they appreciate the beauty of the traditional Liturgy. For a time they appreciate the Milk Bottle and a few other limited personal things. But those little Creatures of God eventually grow up!!! Should Queen Elizabeth appear in public in a T shirt and Blue Jeans??!
@frbjoernLA The ancient liturgy is inviolable. The street Mass is as different to it, as Jesus feeding the 5000 is different to it. Jesus appeared in public in simple attire and ultimately stripped. Externals of every sort are insignificant in contrast to that which lies within, as Jesus taught us.
@postthehost We are probably both coming from the same place, I hope so! We are told in the Word of God to do all things decently and in order. For Christians, celebrating the sacred Mass with traditional Golden Chalice, Paten, Corporal a Cross and Candle sticks.. It is neither decent or in order for the celebrant to be wearing a T Shirt. If you were a prisoner in some Godless country, yes, but you are a free man on public Youtube demeaning the liturgy sacred to traditional Christian.
@frbjoernLA Did God say it was 'neither decent or in order for the celebrant to be wearing a T Shirt'? There are many indecent things that take place in the world, like priests abusing children, but wearing a T shirt is not one of them.
@postthehost Regarding the first part of your comment: I don't know! I do know that He said let all things be done decently and in order! If you showed up for Dinner at my home in T shirt and Jeans as a Minister, you would still be welcome, but I would understand your appearance as an insult! Doesn't Almighty God deserve absolute respect and reverence? Molesting children is not just indecent, it is degenerate, horribly abnormal and soul damningly sin full. I'm sure we both agree with that!
@postthehost P.S. We obviously have a strong difference of opinion regarding sacred liturgical things. I do believe you are a Christian and as trusting our blessed Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour. So am I!! And that makes us Brothers with different liturgical tastes. I also realize that I may well be one of the weaker Brethren in this case. I am sure it is not your intention to offend any Christian soul. For some of us, the Liturgy is holy and sacred, modern innovations tend to offend us.
@frbjoernLA Thanks for the more bridge building tone. Its because attire has subjective significance, that the 'uniform' for celebration should not become fixed. A suit for one could be as much of an insult as a T shirt for another. I wouldn't want to presume God inclines towards a suit. I accept that modern innovations are not for everyone, but they are necessary for those for whom the older ways have lost their efficacy.
@RevDominic 'Unprofessional' is an interesting word when you think about street outreach.....a word used perhaps, because you may be approaching it from the 'safer and settled' world view rather than that edgy environment, where Jesus interfaced with the off limits world.
@pax516 Jesus made the point that words are not the instrument alone of revelation. It is what issues from a person that reflects that which they have 'seen' and 'heard'. I invite you again to emerge from your forest of linguistics, that good and wholesome energy might issue from your heart.
Ha ha, what a weak and pathetic answer, if you are just going to ignore the reasons I give for the validity of doctrine, dogma and dignified practise of faith, which are as necessary as personal faith, don't try to respond to my comments and if you do try and provide some theology and if its not too hard, try to provide reason in your comments.
No, I'm just laughing at you. I don't know what you mean by 'whether Christ's mass was valid', the last supper was the first Mass and all true Masses proceed from it. On the final comment, grow up! I know enough people to understand how bloody well condescending this video is, probably a lot more than you do. This video is just a joke, or at least it would be if it were not such a mockery of our Lord's sacrifice and the sacrament.
The biggest criticism of this 'mass' is that it is laughable. The dress code of this mass looks like someone who is ready for a picnic rather than the eucharist and language is used which (as well as being insufficent to make the 'mass' valid), is silly, artificial and quite offensive, the audience this is addressed to do not speak like this, i know because i know the sort of people this is directed at. How condescending. Anyway that is my main objection to this mess...sorry i meant 'mass'
@pax516 Have you ever considered what Christ wore for the Eucharist or perhaps you find yourself laughing at him too? Have you checked whether Christ's Mass was valid? You must know a lot of people by the way if you can answer for all 'street people'!
They are not my 'bag full of rules' but those of Christ and the fathers. Rules, for want of a better word, are essential to understanding the truth. A scientist for example uses evidence and data to show the truth of his theories, the same is with the church, we must use theology, scripture and tradition to realise the truth of Christianity, we must not just say that any interpretation goes that is root of pseudo-science and pseudo-religion, like the one that is being peddled here.
These are the rules of the catholic faith, the fathers taught this, these are not my rules stop trying to push your rules on to catholic faith and liturgy. You still seem to misunderstand Christ's presence in the incarnation and in the sacrament through transformation and the honour that should be shown to the blessed sacrament. Why on earth does your argument simply consist of mocking priests? I can be as anti-clerical as anyone, but if that is the fulness of your argument, I am not impressed.
@pax516 The honour should be shown to Christ. Your bag full of rules, catholic dogmas, liturgies and 'blesseds' are the weopons of power that Jesus discarded. I am not impressed by those who rummage through the rubbish to retrieve them.
What a poor response. Christ's presence in the sacrament is different to when he was walking the earth 2000 years ago. The sacred host is only touched by consecrated hands out of respect to Christ and the sacrament. The sacrament can be defiled as it is a physical object and recent news has show it being defiled by the militant Godless, yes Christ can protect himself, but anyone one with a rational mind could see what i meant.
@pax516 I suspect if Christ was happy for his body to be touched by a prostitute 2000 years ago, he won't be reserving the wafer breads just to the priests today, many of whose hands anyway will be more sinful than hers. These are your rules not his. You cannot defile what cannot be defiled, whatever you do with it, as the crucifixion demonstrated.
i assure you, i am not threatened by this, nor is the church, i am simply disgusted by it. Jesus did provoke a negative reaction, that is because he said things which were so astounding and revolutionary, he did not however reduce himself to the level which this liturgy is at. Posting the host is sacrilege because, the body of Christ should be touched by the priest alone (as the church has always taught) and anything could happen to the host in delivery which would defile it.
@pax516 Interesting......I don't read anywhere in the Bible that Jesus was touched just by priests....rather a prostitute, the bleeding woman in the crowd etc. Interesting too that you think anything could defile the Body of Jesus. Jesus is well able to take care of himself. Don't hand him over to be imprisoned by the priests. They did that once and the priests had him crucified!
I assume this is a poor joke, rather than an attempt to celebrate the sacrifice of the mass. Posting the host would be sacrilege, thank God, however, that this man is a false bishop, using false words of consecration. This is not worship or sacrifice, but at least it works as a joke designed to make people cringe.
@pax516 It's a pity that you are threatened by this. Jesus provoked the same reaction and became used to receiving the same forms of abuse. It would be interesting to hear why you say posting the host would be a sacrilege? They mocked Jesus as a joke and they cringed at his ways. Beware my friend - whose side are you on?
I am afraid it is the church and the clerics that have become too loose and lazy and that is why the people on the street don't know about the sacrifice of our Lord though it was the gift of his life for them, as for all.
Matthew 15:1-20 (The Message)What Pollutes Your Life 1-2 After that, Pharisees and religion scholars came to Jesus all the way from Jerusalem, criticizing, "Why do your disciples play fast and loose with the rules?" 3-9But Jesus put it right back on them.
"Why do you use your rules to play fast and loose with God's commands? God clearly says, 'Respect your father and mother,' and, 'Anyone denouncing father or mother should be killed.' But you weasel around that by saying, 'Whoever wants to, can say to father and mother, What I owed to you I've given to God.' That can hardly be called respecting a parent. You cancel God's command by your rules. Frauds! Isaiah's prophecy of you hit the bull's-eye:
These people make a big show of saying the right thing, but their heart isn't in it. They act like they're worshiping me, but they don't mean it. They just use me as a cover for teaching whatever suits their fancy." 10-11He then called the crowd together and said, "Listen, and take this to heart. It's not what you swallow that pollutes your life, but what you vomit up."
12Later his disciples came and told him, "Did you know how upset the Pharisees were when they heard what you said?" 13-14Jesus shrugged it off. "Every tree that wasn't planted by my Father in heaven will be pulled up by its roots. Forget them. They are blind men leading blind men. When a blind man leads a blind man, they both end up in the ditch." 15Peter said, "I don't get it. Put it in plain language."
16-20Jesus replied, "You, too? Are you being willfully stupid? Don't you know that anything that is swallowed works its way through the intestines and is finally defecated? But what comes out of the mouth gets its start in the heart. It's from the heart that we vomit up evil arguments, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, lies, and cussing. That's what pollutes. Eating or not eating certain foods, washing or not washing your hands—that's neither here nor there."
Isn't it a shame that some seek to mock those who think that this innovative "Post The Host" service is a good thing and that they feel blessed to be able to receive the Body of Christ without adherance to the tennets of the "Established" Church and the Roman Church.
Isn't it a shame that those who are not in tune with the mission of the Open Episcopal Church seek only to attack the leaders with untrue and libelous comments.
Thanks for the dismissiveness and redefinition of outrage. No-one is obliged to contribute to church collections - the eucharist is available free. Not convinced a package weighing less than 100g should attract a fee of more than £0.61p, quite apart from the grotesque impropriety of the whole enterprise.
The accounts of PTH will be available publicly so these comments are pointless. PTH is non profit making. No one in PTH will receive any income from it, unlike traditional church.
Traditional church has lost the understanding of what free means, that is why they place so many obstacles in the way of the seeker and keep the Body of Christ reserved for the elite.
If this man's orders (big IF) enable him to celebrate an RC mass, then he must know better than to treat the Host in this way. Protestations that the church's regulations are out-of-date and should be ignored are simply evidence of worship at the shrine of The Great Individual Me Almighty which isn't how the church, as the body of Christ, understands itself.
If, otoh, this is memorialism, why the aping of the RCC mass?
Either way, he is creating scandal for the sake of a publicity stunt.
In the first instance, this is not an RC Mass but an OE C Mass. It is not designed for you, although you may watch and you may even disagree with them. But there are many people who are unable to go to Church and many more who are refused communion in their churches. These videos are for them, as an evangelical outreach that will bring them blessing and a feeling of inclusion in their otherwise endless isolation. Jesus did no less, although I suspect he was accused of a few publicity stunts too
There are no rules. We recognise that many people would like to take communion but are prevented from doing so for one reason or another. The videos are merely a worship aid in the same way any other Christian outreach is. You appear to have your own Church who cater for your spiritual needs and we are happy for you, but that does not apply to everyone and it is they who the videos are really designed for
Maybe, maybe not - you've specifically excluded me from yours though.
"we are happy for you"
Terribly kind, considering further up you or your sockpuppeteer invokes healing upon me, presumably from the demon ROFL.
By the way, what are you sending these wafers in? Since they weigh less than 1g, it must be a Very Heavy Envelope since first class large letter rate up to 100g is only £0.61p
Not at all. You are welcome to participate if your own church permits it
I have no idea how the host is being packaged but it will require more than just an envelope. I believe there may be specially designed packaging but someone other than me would need to answer that for you
As for the invocation, it's something we all tend to do, whatever the church. Seriously, this is about the love of Christ for all, not about self promotion of anyone
Genuine outrage is caused when a minority within the nation believe they have rights to control who has access to the Body of Christ. All services I have attended in traditional church have included one collection, sometimes two, so who is 'selling' our Lord? We ask for PTH costs to be covered but the costs of the Hosts are not included within this. Unlike other denominations we are not including in those costs, the church roof and the priest's stipend!
There are many things that cause outrage if you let them, but the Christian is called to be as Christ. He did not lock himself inside tabernacles but caused outrage himself. You will be outraged by whatever I say if you choose to
So you don't need healing, "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word, and I shall be healed". Your liturgy, which I assume you subscribe to when it suits you? But no doubt you will twist my words again in your rush to be outraged
Do you really believe that because you are liberal and 'inclusive' that makes you a follower of Christ. You just like the costumes you are wearing and it's so obvious.
The *chimney pot* episode was, I think, from the Lost Gospel of Mary Poppins but it was later proved to be a mediaeval fake which had been surreptitiously inserted into the Nag Hammadi finds.
Does "Father" David have so little to do in his parish that he can only trawl the internet for juicy bits of gossip that have absolutely no relevance to this video? And does he really feel it necessary, presumably in order to advance his grievances, to lie by ommision on his own blog about the costs of the hosts? Shame on the Church of England if this is the standard of conduct acceptable from its "priests"
A priest, concerned for truth, would have gleaned the facts that demonstrated there was full safety provision and no danger, hence no charge. However, you appear afraid of the truth, of which this is another example.
They used that tactic on Jesus. It failed. You can't trap God in your box, nor in your prejudices, nor in your religious systems. Delude yourself if you must, but God waits patiently for the dawn.
It is not in your power to protect that which is sacred. Christ is supreme and protects himself. It is an outrage to believe in transubstantiation and then imprison Christ in the name of protecting him.
Strange that a priest should want to lock Jesus up in a prison, keep him under lock and key and control who has visiting rights? Post the Host seeks to right this scandal.
It's not locking Christ up. It is protecting that which is sacred. Granted I'm not sure whether you believe in transubstantiation, it might just be a wafer for you, not the body of Christ.
Just think of the early Christians. They were dying and had to celebrate their liturgy in secret through fear of death. You seem to think of Christianity as some kind of joke?!
Traditional church has become a joke to the majority because it has nothing to do with that raw courage you cite, the courage that saw Jesus with prostitutes and sinners and those on the street.
There's a point where trying to "speak to the people" descends to the level of incomprehensible, and risible. This poor man passed that point a LONG time ago!
Sacrifice yourself and it will become as clear as tears. You've made a comprimise. I sacrificed my desire for same sex love. I carry my homosexual feelings as my Cross and I have embraced a life of celibacy and purity as prescribed by TRADITIONAL Catholic Church teaching.
Christ doesn't want anyone to pretend to be someone they are not, nor to stifle their ability to relate or know intimacy. Marrying dogma and institution is a mistake many make and is a sad indictment on the church that encourages the same.
Oh good man, I know perfectly well what I am...a sinner and a homosexual offender. I do not pretend to be anything. As 1 Corinthians 6:11 says, there were many homosexuals who followed Paul! I refuse to stifle my ability to relate or know the intimacy of Christ by rejecting the grace of Celibacy; a gift he has given me. I would not give this up for the world (Matthew 19:12) By the way, I am perfectly capable of having loving and intimate relationships with men, so don't patronise me.
Does Christ name you as an offender or the church? Celibacy so often represents the terror of real intimacy traded for an illusory metaphysical one. You claim to have intimate relationships with men including Christ but have not been able to incarnate that intimacy on earth.
All I have got from the Church is love and acceptance. All I have got from you is condemnation because you think I shouldn't be living celibately! And you say I am dogmatic and I haven't yet met the rweal Lord! You even want me to fail when I am 29. Is that the age you were when you left your wife? You should be celibate too by the way. If you really are a Christian, think about this: Who will shine most brightly on the day of Resurrection?
Raffzeee. All you will have from our church is also love and acceptance. Living celibately is very honourable if that is your free choice. The Open Episcopal Church does not dictate and I see nothing in the words said so far that would suggest you have been condemned. As for who will shine most brightly on the day of Resurection, I will make a guess at that being Jesus
For a start your bishop said I would fail at the age of 29 and suggested I would leave the Catholic Church which he said was a dogmatic and a illusionary safe haven for my homosexual feelings. He implied I accepted celibacy because of terror and he went on to say because of it I am failing to find the true incarnate Christ. He also said my intimate friendships on Earth were meaningless because I will not "incarnate" them...I think he means have sex with them. I don't think you read the comments
Raffzeee, I think you will find he asked who it was that said active homosexuality was an offence. He then suggests, quite correctly by your own admission, that you say you are capable of intimacy but have not yet been intimate enough to have sex, which is the ultimate intimacy that you feel unable to achieve. Presumably that is because your church tells you it is wrong. It may well be wrong, for you, but not necessarily for everyone. This is all merely rhetoric though, not accusation
He means well. He does several kinds of Masses including eastward-facing in Latin using the current RC book. He's obviously trying to reach out, be all things to all men, but this is so wrong. A bit dated too, like something a '70s vicar thought would be cool so the kids will like him. Comes off a bit condescending and like theatre. As theatre it sort of works but not as a real service.
Sources for this assertation? This risible "Street Mass" reminds me of the Fast Show sketch "We're Cockneys" (also available on youtube). I'd get that squeaky chair fixed as well if I were you.
Table actually. 'We're Cockneys is a great sketch. An English person speaking French can be humerous, however better they do than expect the world always to speak English.
Perhaps your generation are still getting over the decedance and indulgence of the 60s 70s and 80s. Believe me, my generation abhors this innane and pretentious happy clappy clap-trap. You wouldn't find me dead at a 'street mass'. You'll actually find me praising 'JC' at a Traditional Latin Mass...
Well the whole of the Eastern Church are a load of party whores then aren't they? Yet another puritanical cleric who has it in for the Smells and Bells.
Why do I think it isn't you say? I'll tell you. You said in another comment most people cringe at the traditional church, well let me tell you something....as a 19 year old Catholic I can not tell you how much the Tridentine Mass and good ol' Catholic sex teaching (chastity, purity, celibacy) has LIBERATED me. This is repulsive.
At 19 you may feel you have found a safe haven from life in these areas of Catholic teaching. At 29 you may reflect it was that which could have prevented you from discovering the incarnate Christ.
Liberation doesn't come from putting yourself in a box but being brave enough to press on towards the discovery and cultivation of freedom within the complexities of personality, emotion, passion and life. The box is safe but a life killer.
Have you heard of being a prisoner of Christ? Have you heard of bearing one's Cross? Have you heard of being Redemptive Suffering? have you heard of Sacrifice? Have you heard of the Crucifixion? Man you know nothing about the Christian religion...no surprise there, you were trained in the Anglican church. You have proven to me that the box is a very unsafe place to be...but I will stay there because I have courage.
This is hilarious!
jbosco08 9 months ago
@jbosco08 Alleluia that you are laughing.....many Christians are so sullen faced and pompous that you would never know they believed in the God of life.
postthehost 9 months ago
This fellow is wearing a white T-shirt and wearing an Episcopal ring at the same time, sitting at a table with a Chalice, Paten, a Cross, not a Crucifix and two lighted Candles in candlesticks. I wonder if he realizes that he is offending untold numbers of Christians who regard these sacred symbols with a holy reverence. It is very disappointing that someone claiming to be a Christian from a liturgical Christian group would post such a disrespectful video on the. YouTube
frbjoernLA 11 months ago
@frbjoernLA Regard Jesus with a holy reverence, to whom the symbols point, but don't worship the symbols and ditch the Jesus who reached out to those on the edge. Wherein lies the 'disrespect'?
postthehost 9 months ago
@postthehost I do regard out Lord Jesus with a holy recerence and I think in some strange way you are trying to do the same with your Mickey Mouse adjustment of the Holy Liturgy. Why not be a Non Conformist Minister of the Gospel which would be OK. Most of them love and revere our Lord Jesus as their Saviour. But please show respect for those Christians who regard the Liturgy as holy and sacred. I worship God, not Liturgy, throught Christ with reverent respect for ancient Christian Symbols.
frbjoernLA 9 months ago
@frbjoernLA It appears contradictory for you to ask for respect to be shown towards one approach while expressing disrespect towards another approach. I respect 'ancient Christian Symbols' and so do not want any section of the population to be deprived of them. An infant doesn't appreciate the complexity of opera or language. Their relationship with sound is exploratory leading them to the codified use of sounds that forms the basis of linguistics and music. So too the spiritual quest.
postthehost 9 months ago
@postthehost It only appears that way! But the time honored liturgy, which may well be of Divine origin very is sacred to many people. I am aware that Infants do not appreciate the complexity and beauty of Opera any more than they appreciate the beauty of the traditional Liturgy. For a time they appreciate the Milk Bottle and a few other limited personal things. But those little Creatures of God eventually grow up!!! Should Queen Elizabeth appear in public in a T shirt and Blue Jeans??!
frbjoernLA 9 months ago
@frbjoernLA The ancient liturgy is inviolable. The street Mass is as different to it, as Jesus feeding the 5000 is different to it. Jesus appeared in public in simple attire and ultimately stripped. Externals of every sort are insignificant in contrast to that which lies within, as Jesus taught us.
postthehost 9 months ago
@postthehost We are probably both coming from the same place, I hope so! We are told in the Word of God to do all things decently and in order. For Christians, celebrating the sacred Mass with traditional Golden Chalice, Paten, Corporal a Cross and Candle sticks.. It is neither decent or in order for the celebrant to be wearing a T Shirt. If you were a prisoner in some Godless country, yes, but you are a free man on public Youtube demeaning the liturgy sacred to traditional Christian.
frbjoernLA 9 months ago
@frbjoernLA Did God say it was 'neither decent or in order for the celebrant to be wearing a T Shirt'? There are many indecent things that take place in the world, like priests abusing children, but wearing a T shirt is not one of them.
postthehost 9 months ago
@postthehost Regarding the first part of your comment: I don't know! I do know that He said let all things be done decently and in order! If you showed up for Dinner at my home in T shirt and Jeans as a Minister, you would still be welcome, but I would understand your appearance as an insult! Doesn't Almighty God deserve absolute respect and reverence? Molesting children is not just indecent, it is degenerate, horribly abnormal and soul damningly sin full. I'm sure we both agree with that!
frbjoernLA 9 months ago
@postthehost P.S. We obviously have a strong difference of opinion regarding sacred liturgical things. I do believe you are a Christian and as trusting our blessed Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour. So am I!! And that makes us Brothers with different liturgical tastes. I also realize that I may well be one of the weaker Brethren in this case. I am sure it is not your intention to offend any Christian soul. For some of us, the Liturgy is holy and sacred, modern innovations tend to offend us.
frbjoernLA 9 months ago
@frbjoernLA Thanks for the more bridge building tone. Its because attire has subjective significance, that the 'uniform' for celebration should not become fixed. A suit for one could be as much of an insult as a T shirt for another. I wouldn't want to presume God inclines towards a suit. I accept that modern innovations are not for everyone, but they are necessary for those for whom the older ways have lost their efficacy.
postthehost 9 months ago
Jonathan, This is highly unprofessional.
Rev Dominic Winter / formaly from The Reformed LCC
RevDominic 1 year ago
@RevDominic 'Unprofessional' is an interesting word when you think about street outreach.....a word used perhaps, because you may be approaching it from the 'safer and settled' world view rather than that edgy environment, where Jesus interfaced with the off limits world.
postthehost 1 year ago
Just try to enage me intellectually. Provide reasons for what you believe.
pax516 1 year ago
@pax516 Jesus made the point that words are not the instrument alone of revelation. It is what issues from a person that reflects that which they have 'seen' and 'heard'. I invite you again to emerge from your forest of linguistics, that good and wholesome energy might issue from your heart.
postthehost 1 year ago
@pax516 Answer below.
postthehost 1 year ago
Haaaaaa, these answers really are weak and pathetic.
pax516 1 year ago
Ha ha, what a weak and pathetic answer, if you are just going to ignore the reasons I give for the validity of doctrine, dogma and dignified practise of faith, which are as necessary as personal faith, don't try to respond to my comments and if you do try and provide some theology and if its not too hard, try to provide reason in your comments.
pax516 1 year ago
@pax516 I invite you to let go of your attempts to control and meet Christ.
postthehost 1 year ago
No, I'm just laughing at you. I don't know what you mean by 'whether Christ's mass was valid', the last supper was the first Mass and all true Masses proceed from it. On the final comment, grow up! I know enough people to understand how bloody well condescending this video is, probably a lot more than you do. This video is just a joke, or at least it would be if it were not such a mockery of our Lord's sacrifice and the sacrament.
pax516 1 year ago
@pax516 I mean that you are lost in a world of dogma, validity, abuse and mockery. Christ's love is of a different nature and I hope you discover it.
postthehost 1 year ago
The biggest criticism of this 'mass' is that it is laughable. The dress code of this mass looks like someone who is ready for a picnic rather than the eucharist and language is used which (as well as being insufficent to make the 'mass' valid), is silly, artificial and quite offensive, the audience this is addressed to do not speak like this, i know because i know the sort of people this is directed at. How condescending. Anyway that is my main objection to this mess...sorry i meant 'mass'
pax516 1 year ago
@pax516 Have you ever considered what Christ wore for the Eucharist or perhaps you find yourself laughing at him too? Have you checked whether Christ's Mass was valid? You must know a lot of people by the way if you can answer for all 'street people'!
postthehost 1 year ago
They are not my 'bag full of rules' but those of Christ and the fathers. Rules, for want of a better word, are essential to understanding the truth. A scientist for example uses evidence and data to show the truth of his theories, the same is with the church, we must use theology, scripture and tradition to realise the truth of Christianity, we must not just say that any interpretation goes that is root of pseudo-science and pseudo-religion, like the one that is being peddled here.
pax516 1 year ago
These are the rules of the catholic faith, the fathers taught this, these are not my rules stop trying to push your rules on to catholic faith and liturgy. You still seem to misunderstand Christ's presence in the incarnation and in the sacrament through transformation and the honour that should be shown to the blessed sacrament. Why on earth does your argument simply consist of mocking priests? I can be as anti-clerical as anyone, but if that is the fulness of your argument, I am not impressed.
pax516 1 year ago
@pax516 The honour should be shown to Christ. Your bag full of rules, catholic dogmas, liturgies and 'blesseds' are the weopons of power that Jesus discarded. I am not impressed by those who rummage through the rubbish to retrieve them.
postthehost 1 year ago
What a poor response. Christ's presence in the sacrament is different to when he was walking the earth 2000 years ago. The sacred host is only touched by consecrated hands out of respect to Christ and the sacrament. The sacrament can be defiled as it is a physical object and recent news has show it being defiled by the militant Godless, yes Christ can protect himself, but anyone one with a rational mind could see what i meant.
pax516 1 year ago
@pax516 I suspect if Christ was happy for his body to be touched by a prostitute 2000 years ago, he won't be reserving the wafer breads just to the priests today, many of whose hands anyway will be more sinful than hers. These are your rules not his. You cannot defile what cannot be defiled, whatever you do with it, as the crucifixion demonstrated.
postthehost 1 year ago
i assure you, i am not threatened by this, nor is the church, i am simply disgusted by it. Jesus did provoke a negative reaction, that is because he said things which were so astounding and revolutionary, he did not however reduce himself to the level which this liturgy is at. Posting the host is sacrilege because, the body of Christ should be touched by the priest alone (as the church has always taught) and anything could happen to the host in delivery which would defile it.
pax516 1 year ago
@pax516 Interesting......I don't read anywhere in the Bible that Jesus was touched just by priests....rather a prostitute, the bleeding woman in the crowd etc. Interesting too that you think anything could defile the Body of Jesus. Jesus is well able to take care of himself. Don't hand him over to be imprisoned by the priests. They did that once and the priests had him crucified!
postthehost 1 year ago
I assume this is a poor joke, rather than an attempt to celebrate the sacrifice of the mass. Posting the host would be sacrilege, thank God, however, that this man is a false bishop, using false words of consecration. This is not worship or sacrifice, but at least it works as a joke designed to make people cringe.
pax516 1 year ago
@pax516 It's a pity that you are threatened by this. Jesus provoked the same reaction and became used to receiving the same forms of abuse. It would be interesting to hear why you say posting the host would be a sacrilege? They mocked Jesus as a joke and they cringed at his ways. Beware my friend - whose side are you on?
postthehost 1 year ago
I am afraid it is the church and the clerics that have become too loose and lazy and that is why the people on the street don't know about the sacrifice of our Lord though it was the gift of his life for them, as for all.
postthehost 2 years ago
this is really inappropriate to treat the sacrifice of our Lord, too loose and lazy.
manga12 2 years ago
Matthew 15:1-20 (The Message)What Pollutes Your Life 1-2 After that, Pharisees and religion scholars came to Jesus all the way from Jerusalem, criticizing, "Why do your disciples play fast and loose with the rules?" 3-9But Jesus put it right back on them.
BeeThatasitMay 2 years ago
Yes, indeed.
postthehost 2 years ago
"Why do you use your rules to play fast and loose with God's commands? God clearly says, 'Respect your father and mother,' and, 'Anyone denouncing father or mother should be killed.' But you weasel around that by saying, 'Whoever wants to, can say to father and mother, What I owed to you I've given to God.' That can hardly be called respecting a parent. You cancel God's command by your rules. Frauds! Isaiah's prophecy of you hit the bull's-eye:
BeeThatasitMay 2 years ago
These people make a big show of saying the right thing, but their heart isn't in it. They act like they're worshiping me, but they don't mean it. They just use me as a cover for teaching whatever suits their fancy." 10-11He then called the crowd together and said, "Listen, and take this to heart. It's not what you swallow that pollutes your life, but what you vomit up."
BeeThatasitMay 2 years ago
12Later his disciples came and told him, "Did you know how upset the Pharisees were when they heard what you said?" 13-14Jesus shrugged it off. "Every tree that wasn't planted by my Father in heaven will be pulled up by its roots. Forget them. They are blind men leading blind men. When a blind man leads a blind man, they both end up in the ditch." 15Peter said, "I don't get it. Put it in plain language."
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16-20Jesus replied, "You, too? Are you being willfully stupid? Don't you know that anything that is swallowed works its way through the intestines and is finally defecated? But what comes out of the mouth gets its start in the heart. It's from the heart that we vomit up evil arguments, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, lies, and cussing. That's what pollutes. Eating or not eating certain foods, washing or not washing your hands—that's neither here nor there."
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BeeThatasitMay 2 years ago
That's what they said!
postthehost 2 years ago
No, it wasn't.
eleysium 2 years ago
I love these Monty Python skits.
eleysium 2 years ago
Wasn't that what the pharisees said about Jesus?
postthehost 2 years ago
plz sort the table out.
SitonLeatherSofa 2 years ago
They defrocked Jesus.
postthehost 2 years ago
Dude should be defrocked and excommunicated for douche-baggery and general mopishness!
abbotcolumcille 2 years ago
Isn't it a shame that some seek to mock those who think that this innovative "Post The Host" service is a good thing and that they feel blessed to be able to receive the Body of Christ without adherance to the tennets of the "Established" Church and the Roman Church.
Isn't it a shame that those who are not in tune with the mission of the Open Episcopal Church seek only to attack the leaders with untrue and libelous comments.
revadb 2 years ago 2
nope
cookie1054 2 years ago
Needed to feel part of things today and so pleased I found this video - thank you.
Steveinnorfolkuk 2 years ago 6
Normal for Norfolk :)
Jah7love 2 years ago
So, you stand by the Gospel gate to mock those being blessed. The followers of Jesus are used to being mocked. It strengthens them.
postthehost 2 years ago
God be with you
SitonLeatherSofa 2 years ago 2
"Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word, and I shall be healed".
See that word at the beginning? Who's it addressed to?
tsk - messianic delusions now
Jah7love 2 years ago
PTH allows everyone to experience the grace and redeeming love of the Lord. Alleluia.
postthehost 2 years ago
Thanks for the dismissiveness and redefinition of outrage. No-one is obliged to contribute to church collections - the eucharist is available free. Not convinced a package weighing less than 100g should attract a fee of more than £0.61p, quite apart from the grotesque impropriety of the whole enterprise.
Jah7love 2 years ago
The accounts of PTH will be available publicly so these comments are pointless. PTH is non profit making. No one in PTH will receive any income from it, unlike traditional church.
postthehost 2 years ago
Way to miss the point!
Jah7love 2 years ago
Traditional church has lost the understanding of what free means, that is why they place so many obstacles in the way of the seeker and keep the Body of Christ reserved for the elite.
postthehost 2 years ago
that's nonsense and poor theology
shaunnyboi89 2 years ago
Would be helpful if you explained your point.
postthehost 2 years ago
If this man's orders (big IF) enable him to celebrate an RC mass, then he must know better than to treat the Host in this way. Protestations that the church's regulations are out-of-date and should be ignored are simply evidence of worship at the shrine of The Great Individual Me Almighty which isn't how the church, as the body of Christ, understands itself.
If, otoh, this is memorialism, why the aping of the RCC mass?
Either way, he is creating scandal for the sake of a publicity stunt.
Jah7love 2 years ago
In the first instance, this is not an RC Mass but an OE C Mass. It is not designed for you, although you may watch and you may even disagree with them. But there are many people who are unable to go to Church and many more who are refused communion in their churches. These videos are for them, as an evangelical outreach that will bring them blessing and a feeling of inclusion in their otherwise endless isolation. Jesus did no less, although I suspect he was accused of a few publicity stunts too
oecscotland 2 years ago
"It is not designed for you, although you may watch ..."
So what are the rules on who's allowed to participate?
Jah7love 2 years ago
There are no rules. We recognise that many people would like to take communion but are prevented from doing so for one reason or another. The videos are merely a worship aid in the same way any other Christian outreach is. You appear to have your own Church who cater for your spiritual needs and we are happy for you, but that does not apply to everyone and it is they who the videos are really designed for
oecscotland 2 years ago
"There are no rules."
... which may be part of the problem.
"You appear to have your own Church"
Maybe, maybe not - you've specifically excluded me from yours though.
"we are happy for you"
Terribly kind, considering further up you or your sockpuppeteer invokes healing upon me, presumably from the demon ROFL.
By the way, what are you sending these wafers in? Since they weigh less than 1g, it must be a Very Heavy Envelope since first class large letter rate up to 100g is only £0.61p
Jah7love 2 years ago
"you've specifically excluded me from yours"
Not at all. You are welcome to participate if your own church permits it
I have no idea how the host is being packaged but it will require more than just an envelope. I believe there may be specially designed packaging but someone other than me would need to answer that for you
As for the invocation, it's something we all tend to do, whatever the church. Seriously, this is about the love of Christ for all, not about self promotion of anyone
oecscotland 2 years ago
"not designed for you" = "you are welcome to participate" Humpty Dumpty's alive and well.
More than just an envelope? Isn't "Christ is supreme and protects himself"?
Er, invocation of healing suggests you believe someone is sick - it is NOT something "we all tend to do" in the absence of illness.
"Seriously, this is about the love of Christ ... not self-promotion ..."
Then, seriously, consider that selling Our Lord is sacrilegious and causes genuine outrage to many.
Fo shizzle.
Jah7love 2 years ago
Genuine outrage is caused when a minority within the nation believe they have rights to control who has access to the Body of Christ. All services I have attended in traditional church have included one collection, sometimes two, so who is 'selling' our Lord? We ask for PTH costs to be covered but the costs of the Hosts are not included within this. Unlike other denominations we are not including in those costs, the church roof and the priest's stipend!
postthehost 2 years ago
There are many things that cause outrage if you let them, but the Christian is called to be as Christ. He did not lock himself inside tabernacles but caused outrage himself. You will be outraged by whatever I say if you choose to
So you don't need healing, "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word, and I shall be healed". Your liturgy, which I assume you subscribe to when it suits you? But no doubt you will twist my words again in your rush to be outraged
oecscotland 2 years ago
Do you really believe that because you are liberal and 'inclusive' that makes you a follower of Christ. You just like the costumes you are wearing and it's so obvious.
Raffzeee 2 years ago
What...T shirts on some?
postthehost 2 years ago
frdavid
The *chimney pot* episode was, I think, from the Lost Gospel of Mary Poppins but it was later proved to be a mediaeval fake which had been surreptitiously inserted into the Nag Hammadi finds.
Jah7love 2 years ago
The devil seeks to drown the world in a sea of words that have no meaning.
postthehost 2 years ago
Anyone who disagrees with the ludicrous nonsense perpetrated here is the devil? Interesting.
Jah7love 2 years ago
No. Informed and illuminating criticism is of use. Meaningless cynicism to vaunt the writer is not.
postthehost 2 years ago
Meaningless theatricals & Body of Christ: £2 a throw.
Sense of humour: Priceless
Jah7love 2 years ago
Does "Father" David have so little to do in his parish that he can only trawl the internet for juicy bits of gossip that have absolutely no relevance to this video? And does he really feel it necessary, presumably in order to advance his grievances, to lie by ommision on his own blog about the costs of the hosts? Shame on the Church of England if this is the standard of conduct acceptable from its "priests"
oecscotland 2 years ago
Couldn't say - not a spokesperson for the CofE.
Jah7love 2 years ago
A priest, concerned for truth, would have gleaned the facts that demonstrated there was full safety provision and no danger, hence no charge. However, you appear afraid of the truth, of which this is another example.
postthehost 2 years ago
It's interesting that you believe Jesus had children.
postthehost 2 years ago
They used that tactic on Jesus. It failed. You can't trap God in your box, nor in your prejudices, nor in your religious systems. Delude yourself if you must, but God waits patiently for the dawn.
postthehost 2 years ago
d'you get albatrosses with it?
Jah7love 2 years ago
With Jesus comes Life. I invite you to meet him, receive him and live.
postthehost 2 years ago
It is not in your power to protect that which is sacred. Christ is supreme and protects himself. It is an outrage to believe in transubstantiation and then imprison Christ in the name of protecting him.
postthehost 2 years ago
Strange that a priest should want to lock Jesus up in a prison, keep him under lock and key and control who has visiting rights? Post the Host seeks to right this scandal.
postthehost 2 years ago
It's not locking Christ up. It is protecting that which is sacred. Granted I'm not sure whether you believe in transubstantiation, it might just be a wafer for you, not the body of Christ.
cds9781 2 years ago
What is blasphenous?
postthehost 2 years ago
Just think of the early Christians. They were dying and had to celebrate their liturgy in secret through fear of death. You seem to think of Christianity as some kind of joke?!
Raffzeee 2 years ago
Traditional church has become a joke to the majority because it has nothing to do with that raw courage you cite, the courage that saw Jesus with prostitutes and sinners and those on the street.
postthehost 2 years ago
There's a point where trying to "speak to the people" descends to the level of incomprehensible, and risible. This poor man passed that point a LONG time ago!
cds9781 2 years ago
Much of traditional church is incomprehensible and risible.
postthehost 2 years ago
Sacrifice yourself and it will become as clear as tears. You've made a comprimise. I sacrificed my desire for same sex love. I carry my homosexual feelings as my Cross and I have embraced a life of celibacy and purity as prescribed by TRADITIONAL Catholic Church teaching.
Raffzeee 2 years ago
Christ doesn't want anyone to pretend to be someone they are not, nor to stifle their ability to relate or know intimacy. Marrying dogma and institution is a mistake many make and is a sad indictment on the church that encourages the same.
postthehost 2 years ago
Oh good man, I know perfectly well what I am...a sinner and a homosexual offender. I do not pretend to be anything. As 1 Corinthians 6:11 says, there were many homosexuals who followed Paul! I refuse to stifle my ability to relate or know the intimacy of Christ by rejecting the grace of Celibacy; a gift he has given me. I would not give this up for the world (Matthew 19:12) By the way, I am perfectly capable of having loving and intimate relationships with men, so don't patronise me.
Raffzeee 2 years ago
Does Christ name you as an offender or the church? Celibacy so often represents the terror of real intimacy traded for an illusory metaphysical one. You claim to have intimate relationships with men including Christ but have not been able to incarnate that intimacy on earth.
postthehost 2 years ago
What do you think I should do?
Raffzeee 2 years ago
All I have got from the Church is love and acceptance. All I have got from you is condemnation because you think I shouldn't be living celibately! And you say I am dogmatic and I haven't yet met the rweal Lord! You even want me to fail when I am 29. Is that the age you were when you left your wife? You should be celibate too by the way. If you really are a Christian, think about this: Who will shine most brightly on the day of Resurrection?
Raffzeee 2 years ago
Raffzeee. All you will have from our church is also love and acceptance. Living celibately is very honourable if that is your free choice. The Open Episcopal Church does not dictate and I see nothing in the words said so far that would suggest you have been condemned. As for who will shine most brightly on the day of Resurection, I will make a guess at that being Jesus
oecscotland 2 years ago
For a start your bishop said I would fail at the age of 29 and suggested I would leave the Catholic Church which he said was a dogmatic and a illusionary safe haven for my homosexual feelings. He implied I accepted celibacy because of terror and he went on to say because of it I am failing to find the true incarnate Christ. He also said my intimate friendships on Earth were meaningless because I will not "incarnate" them...I think he means have sex with them. I don't think you read the comments
Raffzeee 2 years ago
Raffzeee, I think you will find he asked who it was that said active homosexuality was an offence. He then suggests, quite correctly by your own admission, that you say you are capable of intimacy but have not yet been intimate enough to have sex, which is the ultimate intimacy that you feel unable to achieve. Presumably that is because your church tells you it is wrong. It may well be wrong, for you, but not necessarily for everyone. This is all merely rhetoric though, not accusation
oecscotland 2 years ago
He means well. He does several kinds of Masses including eastward-facing in Latin using the current RC book. He's obviously trying to reach out, be all things to all men, but this is so wrong. A bit dated too, like something a '70s vicar thought would be cool so the kids will like him. Comes off a bit condescending and like theatre. As theatre it sort of works but not as a real service.
youngfogey1 2 years ago
What's so wrong? What is a 'real' service?
postthehost 2 years ago
cringe
Jah7love 2 years ago
How most people react to traditional church.
postthehost 2 years ago
Sources for this assertation? This risible "Street Mass" reminds me of the Fast Show sketch "We're Cockneys" (also available on youtube). I'd get that squeaky chair fixed as well if I were you.
Jah7love 2 years ago
Table actually. 'We're Cockneys is a great sketch. An English person speaking French can be humerous, however better they do than expect the world always to speak English.
postthehost 2 years ago
aaah, inclusiveness! Where's the glossolalia for the Penties? How about some wee cuppies for the Baptists? ;)
Jah7love 2 years ago
I do not encounter cynicism in Christ, just in many of his 'followers'.
postthehost 2 years ago
I do not encounter witless attention-seeking in Christ, just in many opportunistic snake-oil merchants hijacking his name.
Jah7love 2 years ago
Ah, you reveal yourself. Be healed and know the peace of Christ.
postthehost 2 years ago
Glad you see a reflection in the mirror. I'll pray for you - £10 a decade is fair, I think - the invoice is in the post.
Jah7love 2 years ago
Perhaps your generation are still getting over the decedance and indulgence of the 60s 70s and 80s. Believe me, my generation abhors this innane and pretentious happy clappy clap-trap. You wouldn't find me dead at a 'street mass'. You'll actually find me praising 'JC' at a Traditional Latin Mass...
Raffzeee 2 years ago
Sorry, couldn't a traditional Latin Mass be described as decadent and indulgent?
postthehost 2 years ago
Well the whole of the Eastern Church are a load of party whores then aren't they? Yet another puritanical cleric who has it in for the Smells and Bells.
Raffzeee 2 years ago
I know you're trying to be a good follower of Christ, but is this really respectful to the Eucharist?
Raffzeee 2 years ago
Why do you think it isn't?
postthehost 2 years ago
Why do I think it isn't you say? I'll tell you. You said in another comment most people cringe at the traditional church, well let me tell you something....as a 19 year old Catholic I can not tell you how much the Tridentine Mass and good ol' Catholic sex teaching (chastity, purity, celibacy) has LIBERATED me. This is repulsive.
Raffzeee 2 years ago
At 19 you may feel you have found a safe haven from life in these areas of Catholic teaching. At 29 you may reflect it was that which could have prevented you from discovering the incarnate Christ.
postthehost 2 years ago
I don't understand?
Raffzeee 2 years ago
Liberation doesn't come from putting yourself in a box but being brave enough to press on towards the discovery and cultivation of freedom within the complexities of personality, emotion, passion and life. The box is safe but a life killer.
postthehost 2 years ago
Have you heard of being a prisoner of Christ? Have you heard of bearing one's Cross? Have you heard of being Redemptive Suffering? have you heard of Sacrifice? Have you heard of the Crucifixion? Man you know nothing about the Christian religion...no surprise there, you were trained in the Anglican church. You have proven to me that the box is a very unsafe place to be...but I will stay there because I have courage.
Raffzeee 2 years ago