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People are really confused about newscientist. is a magazine. they just post videos from their web site, and if you want to know more they want you to click on the provided link or visit they're web page
Every newscientist video somebody is complaining that it's not what THEY wanted. If there is one thing that the internet said about human collectives, it is that they are GODDAMNED WHINY. I mean, look at the top-rated user and the 88 whiners who agree with him:
" which you're going to need if you don't change the format of these "educational" videos."
Where did they say that every video they post is supposed to be educational? Nowhere.
@Solthiel it's new scientist. what about that title makes you think their videos would not be educational? It's an offshoot of a magazine similar to popular mechanics or national geographic. It's our obligation to collectevly let them know what standards we expect of them. We are not whining, We are letting them know where they need to make changes if they want to hold on to their subscribers and gain new ones. It's why his comment is on top and why yours will only be read by a few. thumbs down
Really? Because it's linked to an article that explains exactly what is going on in the video. Did you not think they should do an article about Palpimanus gibbulus? People are not whining about things like "the content of your magazine needs to have more A and B" they are whining about things like "this video alone wasn't exactly what I expected." The feed of this channel is a feed of the videos that they link in articles, not the NatGeo channel.
@Solthiel The point here is that most subscribers would like a voice-over or at least a comprehensive description in the drop down menu. It seems like you are a very litigious person who for whatever reason finds it worthwhile to reprimand people for voicing suggestions about what they would like to see from an organization that they obviously have interest in. It's called constructive criticism and it's how progress is made. I can't dumb this down any further for you, nor should I.
@legend3061 Most of these comments are neither just voicing suggestions or giving constructive criticism. They're just bitching and moaning about every little thing. Giving constructive criticism goes something like "I think it's boring to have silent videos, NS. You could just have someone narrate over top" Whining goes something like this "This is horrible, I am unsubbing RIGHT NOW. I wanted a video where we watched spiders fight in nature! Not in a box! You're going to fail now!"
@Solthiel So am I supposed to be responsible for every swinging dick that isn't eloquent enough to satisfy the perimeters of hipsters like you? This is an open forum on the internet, not a tam tam circle.
@legend3061@Solthiel The point here is that most subscribers would like a voice-over or at least a comprehensive description in the drop down menu. It seems like you are a very litigious person who for whatever reason finds it worthwhile to reprimand people for voicing suggestions about what they would like to see from an organization that they obviously have interest in. It's called constructive criticism and it's how progress is made. I can't dumb this down any further for you, nor should I.
@Solthiel i thought "science" implied educational but now that i have been corrected i can pursue my career in non- educational science like scratching my ass
@xandarian55 Science is just a methodology and a manner of exploring the universe around us. "Educational" videos are videos solely aimed at teaching. The video in question actually is scientific. It explores the manner in which Palpimanus gibbulus kills other spiders. And I suppose if any of the whiny people who post on these videos actually read the articles that related to these videos, they would see that they are attached to explanations.
I hope you know that this came from the website. And that the website always has at least a page of information. Oh yeah, and the page is linked directly in the read more box.
Misleading video title, it should have said something along the lines of:
"Spider stumbling across another spider by pure coincidence and decides on the spot to attack it/possibly predate it..." etc.
If at least showed something ever slightly more interesting like an actual SUCCESSFUL catch/consumption and more realistic scenario rather than two half dead looking spider reacting at the last possible millisecond when it realizes it may be in mortal danger, it may have been worth my time...
Too all of the "How is this science?" and the "This is dumb, I'm unsubbing." people that watch this video, and hopefully, read this comment, please take more than just 30 seconds out of your clearly busy lives to open up the additional info bar at the bottom of the video (yes, it's tricky to find) and try to work up enough energy to actually click on the article link about this spider. Who knows? You may actually learn something by doing that intellectually intensive activity called: reading.
I love the stupid niggers that get their panties all tied up in a know over a clip not being informative enough. Idiots forget the purpose of a clip is to pique your interest so you can investigate yourself or perhaps even go as far as to read the article they provide. Idiots.
"To really display your ballsiness as a predator, you need to take on other predators – preferably ones that would eat you given half the chance. That's exactly what the spider-eating spider Palpimanus gibbulus does. This arachnid thug muscles its way into other spiders' homes and attacks them head-on.
If you have never seen a P. gibbulus in action, you're not alone. They hunt at night and are extremely rare, so we know very little about how they behave."
Sure, stick 2 spiders in a jar together and starve them for a few days and they start to go after each other. This would work the same way if you used humans instead.
@jbear0000 point of the article is that the spider gibbulus WINS about 90% of the time. Sticking two humans in a cell is not analogous to this experiment... since these are not two of the same species of spider (that would be cannibalism) but two different species... the point is that this spider seems to have evolved to be a spider killer even spiders that would kill it, basically the honey badger of spiders!
I don't understand why there is so much malice toward this video. It's an interesting experiment and observation if you read the link that's provided. Can someone please explain what's wrong with this to me?
@qaz122 totally agree with you - i blame it on people too lazy to click a link... it's actually quite an interesting article... plus i'm guessing most people want sensational science news kind of like what natgeo focuses on, and perhaps they shouldn't be subscribing to this if that's true. most science is nuanced and not quite ready for the mtv/real house wives audience...
@WaffleAfterHours its the fact that this spider wins almost all of his hunts against spiders thats amazing... plus they are two different species of spiders which means its no cannibalism...
@WaffleAfterHours yes, spiders are cannibals but the point of this video (in conjunction with the article) is that the spider is basically the honey badger of arachnids... he is armored so venom doesn't effect him, strong forelegs and has a behavioral advantage over other predator spiders that he preys on...
whiners... these vids are posted to lead you to the link in description. theyre like headlines to grab your attention. if you want to learn more, you are gonna have to proceed to read. stop being hand-fed little bitches insisting everything be put into video for you.
very informative NS. Now I know exactly how spiders hunt in their natural environment... oh wait, no I don't. This looks more like a 12 year old's way of passing time than an experiment. This video should be called "straw that broke camels back", cause after I click on post, I'm clicking on unsub. I wish you good luck in the future, which you're going to need if you don't change the format of these "educational" videos.
@carlwitt75 hmm perhaps you should just read the link, i know its really hard to click that link and perhaps newscientist should keep in mind people's laziness and cut and paste the article in the description so people can avoid the cardio workout of clicking a link...
@carlwitt75 ok good for you. unsubscribe please. because fucking idiots never know how to read the damn article through the description box. 1 less moron subscriber to NS, 1 less whiny and annoying comment to read. hell yeah!
@carlwitt75 the videos relate to articles, if you werent so busy complaining you would have noticed the link to the article in the description. if you are too lazy to read then thats your own fault so stfu
@carlwitt75 hey i feel same way. i stay subbed just to thumb most vids down, and hope for improvement. Im on youtube cause thats what i like doing. If i wanted to be elsewhere, like ns site, I'd be there. I dont put up with constantly clicking on links for basic info. all ns needs to do is post an excerpt of the article in the description box - they rarely do. If like/dislike ratio is anything to go by, most ppl here feel the same. which is a pity - their magazine is awesome.
@carlwitt75 "Now I know exactly how spiders hunt in their natural environment..."
I don't think it was ever advertised as being a representation of a demonstration, as it would be in the environment. It's a display of a specific zoological creature, and if you're interested in spiders it's possibly interesting, as they are apparently hard to find out in their natural habitat.
If you're going to complain about something, complain about something the video actually did wrong.
@outlawkelb I'm with you there mate 100%, people are far too reliant on a video to give them all the visual information. There is a whole article relating to this small snippet of film which, correct me if I'm wrong, what NewScientist usually produces to advertise the articles and magazine itself. It is not intended to be a stand alone documentary of said article. Some people would do well to READ a little better.
@carlwitt75 I would have to agree with you on this video being rather "old science" but it doesn't mean you should over react and unsubscribe to New Science Videos. They got a lot of other great videos you know. Don't let just one video ruin that for you.
@SlashDotDash121 i actually don't see anything wrong about having them hunt in a jar, it eliminates any environmental factors. it's like (deplorable) dog fights, yeah the pit is not a NATURAL environment but the strongest dog will win... same principle here i bet... just a thought.
Yes, if the cage for the lion and zebra was scaled up properly, as it is in the case for these spiders, which, as the article points out, the spider in question here (P. gibbulus) seems to have a strategy of infiltrate the "home" of the prey and trap them in it. A jar, while not a perfect analogue, is representative enough.
@SlashDotDash121 i would assume the lion would PURSUE and KILL the zebra thus a hunt (though not a very challenging one), so i guess i'm missing your point. plus the key to this video is that there are TWO PREDATORS in the jar (more like the dog fight analogy than like your prey/predator analogy)... plus the spider does creep up on (pursue) the other spiders (remember most spider's don't have the best vision - though the jumping spider does have really good vision)
an thank you for the nightmares
xandarian55 8 months ago
What, no DUBSTEP!?!
Boo!
GreatGungHolio 8 months ago 2
where is the sound? where is the narrator?
arekussu 8 months ago
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AntiProtonBoy 8 months ago
People are really confused about newscientist. is a magazine. they just post videos from their web site, and if you want to know more they want you to click on the provided link or visit they're web page
Grimdopple 8 months ago
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
masonnf1 8 months ago
Every newscientist video somebody is complaining that it's not what THEY wanted. If there is one thing that the internet said about human collectives, it is that they are GODDAMNED WHINY. I mean, look at the top-rated user and the 88 whiners who agree with him:
" which you're going to need if you don't change the format of these "educational" videos."
Where did they say that every video they post is supposed to be educational? Nowhere.
Solthiel 8 months ago
@Solthiel it's new scientist. what about that title makes you think their videos would not be educational? It's an offshoot of a magazine similar to popular mechanics or national geographic. It's our obligation to collectevly let them know what standards we expect of them. We are not whining, We are letting them know where they need to make changes if they want to hold on to their subscribers and gain new ones. It's why his comment is on top and why yours will only be read by a few. thumbs down
legend3061 8 months ago
@legend3061
Really? Because it's linked to an article that explains exactly what is going on in the video. Did you not think they should do an article about Palpimanus gibbulus? People are not whining about things like "the content of your magazine needs to have more A and B" they are whining about things like "this video alone wasn't exactly what I expected." The feed of this channel is a feed of the videos that they link in articles, not the NatGeo channel.
Solthiel 7 months ago
@Solthiel The point here is that most subscribers would like a voice-over or at least a comprehensive description in the drop down menu. It seems like you are a very litigious person who for whatever reason finds it worthwhile to reprimand people for voicing suggestions about what they would like to see from an organization that they obviously have interest in. It's called constructive criticism and it's how progress is made. I can't dumb this down any further for you, nor should I.
legend3061 7 months ago
@legend3061 Most of these comments are neither just voicing suggestions or giving constructive criticism. They're just bitching and moaning about every little thing. Giving constructive criticism goes something like "I think it's boring to have silent videos, NS. You could just have someone narrate over top" Whining goes something like this "This is horrible, I am unsubbing RIGHT NOW. I wanted a video where we watched spiders fight in nature! Not in a box! You're going to fail now!"
Solthiel 7 months ago
@Solthiel So am I supposed to be responsible for every swinging dick that isn't eloquent enough to satisfy the perimeters of hipsters like you? This is an open forum on the internet, not a tam tam circle.
legend3061 7 months ago
@legend3061 No, you're not responsible for them. I believe you took that upon yourself.
Solthiel 7 months ago
@Solthiel
considering how easy it would be to read the damn article if they're going to bother linking it.
unassumption 7 months ago
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@legend3061 @Solthiel The point here is that most subscribers would like a voice-over or at least a comprehensive description in the drop down menu. It seems like you are a very litigious person who for whatever reason finds it worthwhile to reprimand people for voicing suggestions about what they would like to see from an organization that they obviously have interest in. It's called constructive criticism and it's how progress is made. I can't dumb this down any further for you, nor should I.
legend3061 7 months ago
@Solthiel i thought "science" implied educational but now that i have been corrected i can pursue my career in non- educational science like scratching my ass
xandarian55 8 months ago
@xandarian55 Science is just a methodology and a manner of exploring the universe around us. "Educational" videos are videos solely aimed at teaching. The video in question actually is scientific. It explores the manner in which Palpimanus gibbulus kills other spiders. And I suppose if any of the whiny people who post on these videos actually read the articles that related to these videos, they would see that they are attached to explanations.
Solthiel 7 months ago
CAN'T
BE
MightyIndividuo 8 months ago
Did it died?
tjd07x 8 months ago
read the articles folks and you'll see why Palpimanus gibbulus is basically the honey badger of the arachnid world!
DjDedan 8 months ago
I hope you know that this came from the website. And that the website always has at least a page of information. Oh yeah, and the page is linked directly in the read more box.
pastordisastor 8 months ago
Guys, videos like this are SUPPLEMENTS to an article written in NS - which they link you to.
Seriously guys, stop expecting to to recieve the wisdom of Soloman from a 30sec video and.. y'know, READ, like an actual intellectual.
9thgate 8 months ago 4
Spider: I'm gonna beat yeah up,
I'm gonna F!@#$ yeah up,
And than I'm gonna eat yeah up!
TomsteurhToast 8 months ago
I subscribed because I read the mag, the poor vids out here are making me wonder if I am wasting my money every week.
tNJippoes 8 months ago
Now I'm sure that over half of NewScientist's viewers only subscribed to make themselves feel smart.
IrradicableOne 8 months ago
Misleading video title, it should have said something along the lines of:
"Spider stumbling across another spider by pure coincidence and decides on the spot to attack it/possibly predate it..." etc.
If at least showed something ever slightly more interesting like an actual SUCCESSFUL catch/consumption and more realistic scenario rather than two half dead looking spider reacting at the last possible millisecond when it realizes it may be in mortal danger, it may have been worth my time...
toulouse666 8 months ago
NS makes terrible videos
GuppyPal 8 months ago 3
KILL'EM ALL :s
zate1982 8 months ago
I think this needs some dubstep
nodariel 8 months ago
Great article, hope the people offended by this video can figure out how to click on the link.
wwickeddogg 8 months ago
Whenever Chuck Norris hunts Chuck Norris, Chuck Norris always wins.
CallMeMrNameless 8 months ago
little spider: "CREEPER! RAEP!!!"
alixinthemiddle 8 months ago
Too all of the "How is this science?" and the "This is dumb, I'm unsubbing." people that watch this video, and hopefully, read this comment, please take more than just 30 seconds out of your clearly busy lives to open up the additional info bar at the bottom of the video (yes, it's tricky to find) and try to work up enough energy to actually click on the article link about this spider. Who knows? You may actually learn something by doing that intellectually intensive activity called: reading.
Bear5177 8 months ago
one day, these spiders may be used to help find natural disaster victems!
greatwood 8 months ago
This is just a scientist sick way of spider canablism. How is this science you say? It really isn't.
emporer15 8 months ago
@emporer15 Some people eat monkeys and apes.... We dont call that canablism...
SlashDotDash121 8 months ago
@SlashDotDash121 That's because humans aren't monkeys.
emporer15 8 months ago
@emporer15 And they are different speicies of spider...
SlashDotDash121 8 months ago
@emporer15
Science is the understanding of the natural world, whether or not it has benefits for the self-important, human race or not.
dudev 8 months ago
almost the level of the german PM journal...
Spacerboy 8 months ago
animal cruelty... yay.
WeeeeBeep 8 months ago
I love the stupid niggers that get their panties all tied up in a know over a clip not being informative enough. Idiots forget the purpose of a clip is to pique your interest so you can investigate yourself or perhaps even go as far as to read the article they provide. Idiots.
WheresTheAnyKey1 8 months ago
I set this up in my bedroom all the time.
aquaboy386 8 months ago
"To really display your ballsiness as a predator, you need to take on other predators – preferably ones that would eat you given half the chance. That's exactly what the spider-eating spider Palpimanus gibbulus does. This arachnid thug muscles its way into other spiders' homes and attacks them head-on.
If you have never seen a P. gibbulus in action, you're not alone. They hunt at night and are extremely rare, so we know very little about how they behave."
Martinger2775 8 months ago
Sure, stick 2 spiders in a jar together and starve them for a few days and they start to go after each other. This would work the same way if you used humans instead.
jbear0000 8 months ago
@jbear0000 point of the article is that the spider gibbulus WINS about 90% of the time. Sticking two humans in a cell is not analogous to this experiment... since these are not two of the same species of spider (that would be cannibalism) but two different species... the point is that this spider seems to have evolved to be a spider killer even spiders that would kill it, basically the honey badger of spiders!
DjDedan 8 months ago
I don't understand why there is so much malice toward this video. It's an interesting experiment and observation if you read the link that's provided. Can someone please explain what's wrong with this to me?
qaz122 8 months ago
@qaz122 totally agree with you - i blame it on people too lazy to click a link... it's actually quite an interesting article... plus i'm guessing most people want sensational science news kind of like what natgeo focuses on, and perhaps they shouldn't be subscribing to this if that's true. most science is nuanced and not quite ready for the mtv/real house wives audience...
DjDedan 8 months ago
Not really new information. All spiders are cannibals.
WaffleAfterHours 8 months ago
@WaffleAfterHours its the fact that this spider wins almost all of his hunts against spiders thats amazing... plus they are two different species of spiders which means its no cannibalism...
DjDedan 8 months ago
@DjDedan but spiders of the same species will eat each other
WaffleAfterHours 8 months ago
@WaffleAfterHours yes, spiders are cannibals but the point of this video (in conjunction with the article) is that the spider is basically the honey badger of arachnids... he is armored so venom doesn't effect him, strong forelegs and has a behavioral advantage over other predator spiders that he preys on...
DjDedan 8 months ago
@DjDedan Ah, I see.
WaffleAfterHours 8 months ago
come on ns
arcitejack 8 months ago
whiners... these vids are posted to lead you to the link in description. theyre like headlines to grab your attention. if you want to learn more, you are gonna have to proceed to read. stop being hand-fed little bitches insisting everything be put into video for you.
Pelonetillo 8 months ago
spider snuff films....
RDJim 8 months ago
If you want to know more about this, read the damn article, instead of bitching..
gordon1201 8 months ago
Heyyy brother
antean 8 months ago
dislike and likes MUST remain equal!
scientolofag 8 months ago
why can't anyone just watch the f-kin video and stop complaining
SawyerCC 8 months ago
and it HAD to ba a black spider.....
Ramsez 8 months ago
very informative NS. Now I know exactly how spiders hunt in their natural environment... oh wait, no I don't. This looks more like a 12 year old's way of passing time than an experiment. This video should be called "straw that broke camels back", cause after I click on post, I'm clicking on unsub. I wish you good luck in the future, which you're going to need if you don't change the format of these "educational" videos.
carlwitt75 8 months ago 122
@carlwitt75 just go on their website instead, so much better than these shitty videos
eldeano1 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 ...because, asking you to *read* an article pertaining to a video on a video site is just an outlandish, and blasphemous concept.
silntdoogood 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 im doing the same
espinetmatt 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 hmm perhaps you should just read the link, i know its really hard to click that link and perhaps newscientist should keep in mind people's laziness and cut and paste the article in the description so people can avoid the cardio workout of clicking a link...
DjDedan 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 Aren't these videos meant to be viewed as a supplement to the article, and not meant to be viewed by themselves?
aylera 8 months ago
@carlwitt75
I think they want us to go on their website.
Cheedillow 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 I used to do this when I was 12...
Barit555 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 "which you're going to need if you don't change the format"
New scientist is published on the web & as a weekly magazine.
Videos illustrating it's stories get put on youtube.
Such videos are not complete pieces of journalism. However, NS channel occasionally produces such videos too.
Put some context around the vids & get new concepts.
Being interested in something is not the same as wanting to be entertained by it.
I'm just a reader who thinks your comment is misplaced BTW.
marsCubed 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 ok good for you. unsubscribe please. because fucking idiots never know how to read the damn article through the description box. 1 less moron subscriber to NS, 1 less whiny and annoying comment to read. hell yeah!
YuneShik 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 why does everyone hit on 12 year olds?
goldstopfilms 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 Yeah get rid of these "educational videos", we need more creationist or cat videos, those are awesome!
wwickeddogg 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 the videos relate to articles, if you werent so busy complaining you would have noticed the link to the article in the description. if you are too lazy to read then thats your own fault so stfu
lejink 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 hey i feel same way. i stay subbed just to thumb most vids down, and hope for improvement. Im on youtube cause thats what i like doing. If i wanted to be elsewhere, like ns site, I'd be there. I dont put up with constantly clicking on links for basic info. all ns needs to do is post an excerpt of the article in the description box - they rarely do. If like/dislike ratio is anything to go by, most ppl here feel the same. which is a pity - their magazine is awesome.
jeebersjumpincryst 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 "Now I know exactly how spiders hunt in their natural environment..."
I don't think it was ever advertised as being a representation of a demonstration, as it would be in the environment. It's a display of a specific zoological creature, and if you're interested in spiders it's possibly interesting, as they are apparently hard to find out in their natural habitat.
If you're going to complain about something, complain about something the video actually did wrong.
Cyrathil 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 read the whole article you fucking half-wit.
outlawkelb 8 months ago 7
@outlawkelb I'm with you there mate 100%, people are far too reliant on a video to give them all the visual information. There is a whole article relating to this small snippet of film which, correct me if I'm wrong, what NewScientist usually produces to advertise the articles and magazine itself. It is not intended to be a stand alone documentary of said article. Some people would do well to READ a little better.
BlackFishSS 8 months ago 7
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@outlawkelb i doubt you even read the article
AVerbene 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 awwwwwwww, did somebody never learn to click on the "read more:" link? Poor baby, i guess all those words are confusing for you
qtzlctl2012 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 Read the article turd!
awesomemohawk 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 daft.
Destro7000 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 I would have to agree with you on this video being rather "old science" but it doesn't mean you should over react and unsubscribe to New Science Videos. They got a lot of other great videos you know. Don't let just one video ruin that for you.
KillerFlood02 8 months ago
@carlwitt75 Haters gonna hate.
BlackFishSS 8 months ago
suprise buttsex
ThomasWinkworth 8 months ago
arachnophobic here, Its about time they've started killing each other, I was beginning to suspect world domination.
BloodyTomMorgan 8 months ago
Hunting in a jar??? Is that what we call a hunt these days???
SlashDotDash121 8 months ago
@SlashDotDash121 i actually don't see anything wrong about having them hunt in a jar, it eliminates any environmental factors. it's like (deplorable) dog fights, yeah the pit is not a NATURAL environment but the strongest dog will win... same principle here i bet... just a thought.
DjDedan 8 months ago
@DjDedan Hunt = Pursue and kill
Would you call Lion and Zebra in a cage a hunt???
SlashDotDash121 8 months ago
@SlashDotDash121
Yes, if the cage for the lion and zebra was scaled up properly, as it is in the case for these spiders, which, as the article points out, the spider in question here (P. gibbulus) seems to have a strategy of infiltrate the "home" of the prey and trap them in it. A jar, while not a perfect analogue, is representative enough.
Cyrathil 8 months ago
@SlashDotDash121 i would assume the lion would PURSUE and KILL the zebra thus a hunt (though not a very challenging one), so i guess i'm missing your point. plus the key to this video is that there are TWO PREDATORS in the jar (more like the dog fight analogy than like your prey/predator analogy)... plus the spider does creep up on (pursue) the other spiders (remember most spider's don't have the best vision - though the jumping spider does have really good vision)
DjDedan 8 months ago
0:07 Spider : I haz ur leg
MEandME266 8 months ago
Look how thick those front legs are. It's must be juicing.
ScottishAtheist 8 months ago
FIRSTTTT 1st!!!!!!
pokemon9505 8 months ago
ARGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!
13baldjj 8 months ago
CANNIBALS!!!!!!!
eaturfeet653 8 months ago
Spider rape >.>
thegreatersnake 8 months ago 48
4th
projectcj2010 8 months ago
3rd
whilshals 8 months ago
and i am second
IKNOWITSADUMBCOMMENT 8 months ago