Men's 400m final Diamond League Zurich Jeremy Wariner 44.13

[USA4thewin]

GO AMERICA

[KiekkoFIN]

so doped

[destructor911911]

Why does he wear sunglasses while running?

[markcoolio1231]

@destructor911911 it helps me stay in the zone, so he only focuses on his lane :)

[Astur1488]

Wariner is the best

WHITE POWER!!!

[4893053]

@Astur1488 yeah he's the best, but where is he right now? Can't be the best if you can't compete. Ahole strained himself trying to compete with the darker skinned runners. So he won't be there in Daegu and he won't be there in the 2012 Oly's either. Inferior breeding I think! white power is out, so open your eyes. lol

[brittonray]

its a little easier when u have ur rival in front of u. U basically use him as a rabbit

[chotsmagic]

looks very strong towards the end. Perhaps he has changed his strategy a little to allow for a kick at the end of the 400m?

[Joker5555234]

caca

[leosal7]

Ausgeseitnit!! Jeremy Wariner is "The Man" because he combines speed with endurance *_*

[MrKarlozz]

JW is back. He will break the WR in the London Olympics. Mark my words.

[phastman1994]

@MrKarlozz I agree that Wariner's back and he'll defiantly be back in the 43 on a consistent basis for the next couple of years but I highly doubt he'll break MJ's WR, I would be surprised if he even lowers his own PB of 43.45 from Osaka 07'. At next years WC in Daegu and London 2012 I think he'll be around 43.5-43.7.

[TrackShark92]

@MrKarlozz

LOL idk bout all that yet hombre, but he is DEFINITELY the favorite @ WC and London 2012. US 4x4 should be something ferocious.

[blacksoilder10]

@MrKarlozz of i know this comment is late but if jw breaks the wr i will play you $2

[MrKarlozz]

@blacksoilder10 Damn all those injuries will might break my prediction :'(

[blacksoilder10]

@MrKarlozz i know man, i hope he gets really close to it or atleast breaks it in 2012

[DALPat28]

Wariner is so calm when he runs.....

[SenYen2270]

@DALPat28 but what you don't see is the eye spasms behind the glasses

[thesuperbeast46]

@DALPat28 NO HES NOT

[thesuperbeast46]

@DALPat28 NO HE ISNT!!!

[ddenuci]

Wariner never seems to be exhausted at the end of a 400m race. Compare him at 1:14 with Gonzales at 1:30.

[Uncle99B]

Enough of this nonsense. All of you.

It is not a fact that leaving Hart hurt what Wariner would have otherwise done had he stayed. It is speculation --which I am tired of hearing reported as fact. Period.

[broadjumper1]

@Uncle99B - Awww, taking his ball and running home again...and we're tired of you ignoring the facts that WERE reported...

Game, set, and match.

[Uncle99B]

@broadjumper1 . I would rather not get into name calling buy your stupidity is monumental

[broadjumper1]

@Uncle99B - And your credibility is non-existant, so why would I possibly care what names you call me, they're no more believeable than any of your so-called 'facts'

Schooled yet AGAIN!

[Uncle99B]

@broadjumper1: Please tell me "non-existant" and "believeable" are typos -- not that I would believe you. Then again, you might not even know what's wrong with those words

[broadjumper1]

@Uncle99B - Ah, so now all that's left is for you is to play grammar cop...a sure sign of someone with nothing relevant to say, let alone worth listening to....yeah, that does wonders for your credibility. Your spelling may be impeccable, but you know shit about track...thank God you're not advising Wariner.

[Uncle99B]

@broadjumper1 Jesus, broad, You can't even spell every day words and you think your opinion has value? And you don't even know the difference between grammar and spelling.  God help America

[broadjumper1]

@Uncle99B - Oh, you mean like how you misspelled the word "but" by spelling it B - U - Y? If you're going to knock someone for such things, you better be certain you haven't made a SINGLE mistake yourself or you end up proving how much of a real 'tard you are. But since you seem to believe spelling isn't a component of grammar, that tells us all we need to know about already. God help US ALL...

You've been schooled AGAIN!

[Uncle99B]

@broadjumper1 . Don't tell me you are unaware of the existence of something called a typo? And that it is not the same thing as not knowing how to spell a word? Or do you really think I don't know how to spell the word but? Is that really your argument.

Thank God I am not you

[Uncle99B]

@broadjumper1 . No offense and all

[broadjumper1]

@Uncle99B - Yes, I am. I'd ask you the same thing, but you assume that because I've made a couple that I don't know the difference...of course, you're perfect, aren't you? But none of this does a single thing to help support your arguments, so all that's left to you are are petty insults...And I thank God you're not either...

[Uncle99B]

@broadjumper1. Don't worry.  I am going to leave you alone. I see how defenseless you are

[broadjumper1]

@Uncle99B - Worry? Over you? You flatter yourself, but if you didn't nobody else would.

And yet, you STILL won't answer the question...disingenuous AND a pussy.

[broadjumper1]

@Uncle99B - Don't worry yourself, you can't offend me. For that to happen I'd actually have to CARE about your opinions.

[944usainbolt]

the old jeremy wariner is back! cant wait to see the 4x400 team at the olympics hopefully they have tyson gay in it

[Uncle99B]

and it makes for a convenient narrative, a review of the races he has run since 2008 quickly put the lie to this story.

It does look like he is getting back into 2008 shape as the 2010 season draws to a close; i hope he can continue to move forward next year.

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

Here's for a convenient narrative; I trained under two Hart's 400m pupils, one of which is number five on Hart's all time list.

Wariner was still running high 43s in 2008 because of the work he and Hart had put in going into that season. Had he stayed with Hart he would have kept progressing as he did every year prior.

2009 was a late start with Hart and injury botched at the worst time of the training year. 2009 is a wash.

2010 he had knee surgery, so even this yr is suspect.

[Uncle99B]

@sharktrinity. I see.  A lot of great running in 2008 due to his being with Hart in prior years and a lot of (for him) poor running in 2009 cuz he was without Hart in 2008. Any kind of proof of this? Scientific or statistical studies supporting he one year delay in impact of a coaching change? Sounds like hogwash to me

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

He did not switch to Ford until the outdoor season. His base training was all with Hart. And yes actually, what athletes have done the year before will affect their present season. Why do you think athletes train to certain strengths and weaknesses in non-world championship years?

[Uncle99B]

@sharktrinity: You are fitting the facts to your argument rather than looking at the facts and deciding upon your argument. You are clearly pro Hart and are trying to sell that point of view

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

What I can tell you, is every runner from our training group of Baylor mentored pupils, zero have ever set new personal bests at 400 after being forced to move on from our Baylor coaches. Did Ford probably get a harsh wrap? I believe so. Wariner was probably in 43.7 condition in Beijing. W/Hart it would have been a 43.3.

You should also look at D.Williamson going from no. 2 in the world (behind Wariner) in 2005, to having progressively weaker times after leaving Hart for Ford.

[Uncle99B]

@sharktrinity . Sanya Richards crapped out far worse in the 2008 OG than did Wariner. She was a heavy favorite and Wariner probably a slight underdog. She got only 3rd and Wariner 2nd. She stayed with Hart that year and Wariner did not. How do you incorporate these facts into your little Wariner was hurt by leaving Hart scenario?

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

Sanya has a single bad race (of many by the U.S. at the Games, not just Wariner and Richards). Hardly reason to blame her coaching.

Are you saying Sanya not winning one race she was favored to win trumps her breaking the American Record under Hart?

[Uncle99B]

@sharktrinity: If Wariner's defeat at the OG can be blamed on his leaving his coach; surely Sanya's worse defeat can be blamed on her staying with her coach

[broadjumper1]

@Uncle99B - Look who's still trying to swim against the tide..

Your problem isn't that you don't get it, your problem is that YOU CAN'T SELL IT!

Hart must've pissed you off somewhere along the line...LOL!

[Uncle99B]

@broadjumper1 . Your apparent contention that Wariner's leaving Hart harmed his performance and his return to Hart turned him around is not borne out by the simple facts, which are the results of his racing without hart vs. his racing since his return. If you want to grasp onto the narrative that his leaving his coach hurt him there is obviously nothing that will change that

[phastman1994]

@Uncle99B whole year*

[broadjumper1]

@Uncle99B -

My "apparent contention" is supported by the 'STATED REMARKS' of these athletes which I've already supplied to you before, yet you CONTINUE to dismiss these FACTS and instead substitute your own analysis instead of accepting theirs...nobody is buyin' what you're sell chief...

Once again, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

I didn't say Beijing should be blamed on Ford. I'm basing by his season bests.

[Uncle99B]

@sharktrinity . He had four times in 2008 with Hart faster than anything he has run since his return to Hart. What season bests are you referring to? 43.82 (twice) in 2008 with some solid back-ups; 44.6 in 2009 and 44.13 in 2010 (with a 2nd best only 44.49). The point is, nobody knows if leaving Hart hurt Wariner and if returning has helped him -- the race results surely do not back this theory. In any event, it is a theory, not a fact, and should not be presented as a fact

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

Also Uncle, your supposition that because his best times in 2008 were during the championship season prove he got faster is a very weak argument. Everybody's training is periodized towards peaking at the championships. Look at every one of Wariner's seasons since his arrival to Baylor in 2003.... All P.R.s were in the peaking period.

Stupid argument.

[Uncle99B]

@sharktrinity:  My view is that because he ran faster later in the season in 2008 than he did earlier means he ran faster. Hence, he did not go backwards during 2008 due to lack of contact with Hart as some (including you?) have claimed. I think this is pretty obvious

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

Between 2007 and 2008, yes he did go backwards. I never claimed as 2008 went on his times got worse.

[Uncle99B]

@sharktrinity. He surely went a lot more backwards from 2008 to 2009, following his return to Hart?

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

We've already been over this. The man switched back late in the season and he missed training right in the middle of summer (a catastrophe time to be hurt for a quartermiler) because of an ankle injury. 2009 is a wash.

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

Williamson fell, and fell fast. Lightning strikes twice in the same place? And Hart happened to coach the WR holder and the Women's AR record holder, who wasn't all that until she came to train under Hart after being at U Texas? The proof is in the pudding.

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

PS

I don't mean to come off as an ass, dropping my being trained by coaches who won NC's under Hart, I just wanted to preface it as part of my point. I have seen the same thing in a microcosm many times over within my own High School/College teams, and every time it's the same result: tamper with system at all, or try and get wise, times get worse not better. Also I have seen the system spread and be dominant; EX: Coach Johnson using it at Alabama.. 2nd year.. NCAA 400 champ.

[kgmurray]

He should break the world record eventually.

[phastman1994]

@kgmurray Michael Johnson said he can break it back in 2007 when Wariner ran 43.45 and was consistently running sub 44s but in 2008 he started going downhill after leaving his coach Clyde Hart, he's now back with him and is slowly coming back which showed in this impressive WL but I doubt he'll break MJ's WR now, just my opinion.

[Uncle99B]

@phastman1994 . Wariner ran much faster times in 2008 without Hart (two 43.8s, a 43.9, a 44.1, etc.) than he has since his return to Hart. That story about his leaving Hart setting him back is fiction

[phastman1994]

@Uncle99B Yeah but after a while he started to go downhill as the season progressed because of the training, Wariner was at his best in 2007 (when he was with Hart) notice how last year his SB was only 44.6 (A whole year without Hart)? It's obvious that now that he's back with his old coach he's slowly coming back considering his great SB of 44.13 he ran in London. I'm sure next year he'll show us some more impressive times again.

[Uncle99B]

@phastman1994 . Are you saying Wariner went downhill in 2008 as the season progressed? If so, you are wrong. He ran his 43.8s late in the season following the Oly Games, beating Merrit in both races. The 44.13 he recently ran is .36 faster than any other time he ran in 2009 and 2010; it would have been his 5th or 6th fastest time in 2008.

While the pundits all love to say that Wariner ran poorly in 2008 due to his dumping his coach and he has been improving since bringing Hart back

[phastman1994]

@Uncle99B Ya actually ur right he was back with Hart last year but the previous year he went a whole year without Hart which caused him to go downhill last year IMO, explain why his SB was only 44.6? And now that he's been back with him for a while he's already run a 44.13, what else would it be besides training which caused him to go downhill so much last year? Like I said next year he'll be running some impressive times, I predict 43.6-7 in Daegu.

[Uncle99B]

@phastman1994 . Huh? He was sans Hart all of 2008 and ran 3 sub 44's, another sun 44.1, a 44.16 in his OG semi while shutting down, one of the fastest relay legs in history at the OG, and ran his two fastest times (a pair of 43.82s late in the season). He returns to Hart in 2009 and has by far his worst year as a pro. You interpret this to a one year delay in the impact of he coaching change - this not only lacks any documentation but runs counter to common sense

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

Uncle,

Why do you think Darold Williamson and Brandon Couts fell off immidiately after leaving Hart? And then Wariner too ... Three National Champions suddenly lose their ability to run?...just a coincidence?

[Uncle99B]

@sharktrinity . What about Teter and Scheurman never approaching their high school times under Hart ar Baylor? Probably not pertinent -- but then again neither are you comments on Williamson and Couts -- just cherry picking

[sharktrinity]

I'm speaking specifically about NCAA National Champions. Lots of runners fall off after high school. I could give you a list of 20 deep from my high school group that fell off after leaving our BU coach. I'm referencing guys that progressively got better in College.

For the record, Scheuerman was plagued with hamstring injuries his whole career there and he skipped working out when they would come back from Waco. His training was the same as in HS under our HS coach who trained him.

[sharktrinity]

@Uncle99B

As far as Teter goes, he's the one example all people who remain selective on the facts of life point to. Give it a rest already. One out of fifty. Not bad to have one fail the entire decade.

[phastman1994]

@Uncle99B Then what else would it have been besides him leaving Hart that made him do downhill last year? You think it was mental?

[broadjumper1]

@phastman1994 - And STILL Uncle99B won't answer a SIMPLE question: "If Wariner was doing so well, WHY did he return to Hart?"

Don't bother with this disingenuous clod, I've already debunked his BS (Sanya Richards too) and he's NEVER had the balls to respond to a very obvious and simple question.

[phastman1994]

@broadjumper1 Agreed, it only makes sense, what else would it be? lol

[Uncle99B]

@phastman1994 : Huh? He returned to Hart last year and has his worst year.

[phastman1994]

@Uncle99B True but that was his first year with Hart in a while year, can't expect him to go uphill right as he gets back with his original coach again..

[Uncle99B]

@phastman1994 . He was gone for a year and has been back for two and still has not run as fast as his fastest 4 times without Hart. The point is this. We are often told on the TV that Wariner is now running better because he has returned to Hart. This is purely speculation and in fact, the race results do not support this speculation. There are clearly other factors -- injuries. But this speculation should not be presented as fact in any event

[phastman1994]

@Uncle99B But thats the thing, he's "slowly" coming back, next year I think he'll show us some consistent sub 44s you really think Hart has nothing to do with it? This 44.13 is proof..

[Uncle99B]

@phastman1994 . It cannot be demonstrated that it is a fact that leaving Hart hurt Wariner and that returning to him has helped him. It is pure speculation that is usually recited as is it is a fact. Further, the results -- i.e., the race times by Wariner in 2008 without Hart and in 2009 and 2010 since his return -- do not support this speculation. Why is anyone arguing with this. This is very clear

[phastman1994]

@Uncle99B Ok it cannot be 100% proven what caused him to go downhill but what else would it be? You can clearly see that he's slowly coming back, he beat his PB from last year early this season and currently ran 44.13. If Hart has nothing to do with it, who, or what does?

[broadjumper1]

@Uncle99B - Here's what CAN be demonstrated: "I was strong and had foot speed but there were a few things that Coach Hart could give me that Coach Ford hadn't understood yet. "A lot of it had to do with what workouts work and what workouts don't, and what I need when I need it at certain times of the year. Coach Hart is the one who can give that to me being that he's experienced and has been there before." - Jeremy Wariner

FACT, not speculation, that's what you're doing.

Schooled again.

[phastman1994]

@Uncle99B I meant SB from last year not PB

[broadjumper1]

@phastman1994 - Don't bother, the guy's a brick...

[Uncle99B]

@phastman1994 . Actually, he was with Hart in 2009 when he had his worst season

[PokemonReleases]

Thanks for this/ Have the 4x100 relay?

[frutino82]

@PokemonReleases

Yes, I uploaded the relay yesterday..

[Icecoldhard]

Great race from Wariner. Timed it well. Gonzales needs to sort out his end of race form and sub 44 is within his grasp. It should be between these two next year. Look at Gonzales' lazy right hand at the end.

[keonist]

@Icecoldhard yeah how did he get that running technique with the arms, i heard the commentators talking about it the other day.

[Icecoldhard]

@keonist I know. His last appart of the race is terrible. When you see Wariner run the last part he is so much smoother. I think that is the big difference here, and once that is sorted he should be up there with the very best ever.

[keonist]

@Icecoldhard i think so too.