I cant beleave how stupid people are for beleaving in religion, It's just a heap of lies that gulibble people commit there lives to. any religious documents should be burnt and forgotten, it would make the world a better place.
The reason women wear the hijab or burka is for them to dress modestly in front of the opposite sex, it guards them from indecent looks or behavor from the opposite sex.
Not only she's pretty, but also smart. I hate some Muslims who are too emotional when talking about the subject but Susan keep it cool and everything she said make a lot of sense.
i have no problem with most of the attire. even the veil, its not my place to say if thats right or wrong. however where i live in canada we consider ourselves an open society, and people are trying to use religious beliefs to prevent them from showing their face in situations where it is warranted, such as during the oath of citizenship. i dont believe islam teaches that you are 100% to keep your face covered at all times, and removing face coverings to respect canadian customs is fine.
Wearing a scarf or not it isn't anyones business or right to tell a woman what to do about her religion.
Christian, muslim, jewish whatever the case may be we should all respect each others religion or life. Australia is a peaceful country we shouldn't be starting trouble other religion cause we have been living together in this country ever since.
Australia equals Freedom, Multiculturalism & most important ... Peace
@shubroto81 Strange. I don't see any evidence of that. I see a self-respecting woman dressed appropiately. Her clothes remind me a bit of Mary Mother of Jesus. Or Mother Theresa. Etc, etc.
@redbullion01 her clothes do...but what about whats inside the clothes..thats more imp..there are many prostitutes in islamic countries that wear the hijab, doesn't make them any better. Don't judge a book by its cover.
@shubroto81 Well, I'm not thinking about what's under her clothes simply because she does not have it on display for us. Contrast that with what the other two woman are wearing. Also, prostitutes are in every country and in every era. What's your point?
@redbullion01 well thats your problem not mine, but i am allll about whats under hijab, and when i said it i literally didn't mean it physically..lol. My point is hijab doesn't makr u pious, your actions do, and secondly whats on your filthy mind is not their responsibility.So if u saw a prostitue in a hijab and a regular person, u would automatically assume the prostitue is more pious just bcoz she has the hijab on?
@shubroto81 "My point is hijab doesn't makr u pious, your actions do"
I would argue that wearing the hijab is itself a pious act if done voluntarily. The point is if people want to wear it because they feel it is part of their religion they should be applauded. It's not an easy thing to do in public these days. Especially with all the anti-Islam sentiment floating around.
@redbullion01 haha i knew u were going to say that, no there are many many women who wear the hijab and are very unpious, selfish, greedy ..that doesn't mean anything. No they should not be applauded atleast in western countries if westerners cannot wear shorts and bikinis(although that is not christian) in muslim countries, they cannot wear the burqa(hijab is ok) in western countries. Fairness and equality for all.
@shubroto81 That doesn't seem at all logical or equal. Your contention is that because non-Muslims can't wear bikinis in public in Islamic countries, then therefore Muslims can't wear the burqa in Western countries. An eye for an eye, if you will. What a silly assessment. This has nothing to do with reality.
@redbullion01 LMAOO nope it is equal, u think banning bikinis in islamic countries is logical and ok cuz they look like whores, but the burqa should be allowed in the west. NOW THAT IS ILLOGICAL. IT is not an eye for an eye, but banning bikinis is reality for you...hahaha please this is sooo transparent even a kid can see right through this, we are not retarded you know.
@shubroto81 I do think the bikini should be banned. How did you know? I would also like to ban all forms of media which profit from the exploitation of women's bodies. I think certain feminists would agree. More importantly, the burqa shouldn't even be an issue. If people want to wear it, it's certainly their prerogative. It's mostly used by the media and politicians who've jumped on the anti-Islam bandwagon. They're entitled to do so, just don't expect me to shut-up about it.
@redbullion01 lollzz u are so transparent. I also think the burqa should be banned, and i think certain feminists would agree too. More importantly the bikini should not even be a issue if people want to wear it, its certainly their perogative. It's mostly used by islamists who want to impose their rule under the pre-text of free will and democracy while wanting to ban certain things. They're entitled to do so please don't expect people to not ban the burqa.
i think ban the one that fully covers the face (and the eyes are just showing), the one that just surrounds the head is fine. I take this just as an act of safety and security, the same thing as removing a helmet in a bank etc
decent , intelligent & dignified........the sister is really graceful & an examplary statement of autonomous liberated & empowered MUSLIM lady of today.
Very smart and inspiring lady...mashallah...you are so beautiful in you hijab....i really like ladies wearing hijab (not burqa because it is bida'a)....you put Islam in the spotlight....you are one of the best Muslim women i had ever known...
To all my christian brothers , last night i had a dream that the angel Gabriel had died ...this morning it was confirmed ..he did DIE and i'm very sorry for every one's loss .
@1malik1966 You worship a man that married a 9 year old. Islam is entirely unethical and immoral. How could any paradise be full of people that worship such a person, such a place sounds like HELL!!!
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Wearing a hijab is an extreme act of men domination, it is all about women covering their hair and their body from head to toe because according to the Quran men lust on them if they're not covered. Instead of preventing men from lusting, Islam orders women to cover.
@michojong Allah says in the Quran : Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty (Surah Al Noor 24:30-31)
@ndabdofari Where in the Quran does Allah order women to cover their hair because its a scarp? Also how could a man be modest according to your religion? Also I believe that God created men and women free to wear what they want and its against their free will to order them to cover their hair
@michojong Bible: And every woman who prays with her head uncovered dishonours her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head (I Corinthians 11:3-10). Judaism: Rabbinic law says a woman's hair is considered "nudity". "Cursed be the man who lets the hair of his wife be seen..." Islam didnt invent covering the hair.
@FobSisters While praying YES, just like nuns and priests cover their heads, but to cover a woman's hair all the time has never been mentioned in the Bible.
@michojong Actually priests are told not to cover their heads in the bible. And Jewish women arent supposed to show their hair in public according to rabbinic law. But anyway, muslim women pray 5 times a day not just one day a week. Also, in Islam the headscarf is used as a means of protection and modesty hence why women wear it when they are out in public. And how is it copying other religions if THE SAME GOD brought all 3 religions to mankind? Read the holy books before you make assumptions.
@FobSisters The God who brought the Bible in no way could have brought up the Quran. Your claim of the one God who brought up the three religions is a big fat lie. In the Bible Abraham was to sacrifice his son Isaac according to Judeo-Christian belief, while in the Quran it is said that Abraham was to sacrifice Ismail...
@michojong I could say the same thing about the bible since theres so much proof that the bible has been tampered with and is no longer in its authentic divine form. I read porn rape & incest in the bible but I dont use it to argue that the God in the bible isn't real. Many Jewish scholars have stated that the sacrificed was Ishmael & that the Jews concealed this. Encyclopedia Judaica & the Oxford Companion to the Bible also state why it was Ishmael. But thats not even the point of the story.
@FobSisters You claim the Bible is tampered, yet you ask me to read the 3 books (Torah, Bible & Quran) to know that they are from the same God? Doesn't make sense! If they Bible is tampered as per your suggestion then I shouldn't read it from the beginning, neither should you be quoting from it verses!
@michojong No, I told you to read all 3 books so you dont have to debate with youtubers in order to get answers b/c youtube is not a reliable source. Even though the bible has been tampered with (christian scholars even know this) I know that it was once the word of God & I too love Jesus (pbuh). I'm comfortable quoting the Quran however b/c I know it has been memorized by millions since 1400 years ago so it has not been distored. But when a christian debates with me I have to quote their bible.
@FobSisters Islam is a creed accredited to an illiterate uneducated man named Mohammed. Islam views this man as the greatest and last of all the prophets mentioned in the Torah and Holy Bible. Thus the entire validity of Islam is based on the uncorroborated assertions by Mohammed that he received these revelations second hand from Gabriel and not directly from God. The Koran infact confirms Mohammed never saw the face of God as did for example Moses.
Prophet Mohammad is the most influencial man in history ...even more than Jesus ...then , a shmuck such as your self, unkown to the human race accept for a few friends and family memebrs tries to cast doubt on this great figure ..then you have the nerve to call him uneducated ???
@1malik1966 That's why Islamism is so popular, Muslims cannot accept that they might be wrong. Muslims could never accept that uniquely the paedophile they have been worshipping for their entire lifetimes might have actually have been a fraud! Why are the most civilised areas in the Middle East Christian or Jewish?
@FobSisters The imperative here is to go back to the start and examine what the Islamic texts say about Mohammed, God and Gabriel the angel whom allegedly delivered him revelations. As Mohammed takes it upon himself to cast doubt on the Torah and Holy Bible it is imperative to first examine the man making these absurd allegations.
@FobSisters It is of great importance to identify the spirit who squeezed Mohammed at the cave of Hira near Mecca. After his encounter with the spirit, Mohammed was afraid that what happened to him was from a Jinni. Then later, Mohammed declared in the Koran that the spirit who squeezed him was the angel Gabriel.
@FobSisters Had the spirit been Gabriel, he would have calmed Mohammed and relieved his fear. But the spirit left him in extreme distress. Gabriel appeared to many people before his alleged visit to Mohammed and each time the first thing he did was to allay that person's fear. Gabriel appeared to the prophet Daniel, Mary, Zacharias. But the spirit who squeezed Mohammed left him frightened and in great distress. Therefore the spirit could not have been the angel Gabriel
@michojong Copy and pasting I see. Actually, afterwards he calmly told the prophet that he was the angel Gabriel and that he was sent by God. However Muhammad (pbuh) was terribly frightened b/c it was the first revelation & because he saw Gabriel in his true form (he did not resemble anything known to man). As a result Muhammad's (pbuh) heart was better prepared to see the wondrous things in the hereafter during the ascension that night when he would see unfamiliar sights and unusual matters.
It is about woman domination too if you think logically.
What do you think about naked woman when you talk to her? Don't you think she is some sort of toy and you should play with her. Is this the way we should treat each other as humans.
Secondly if she does not want to display his private parts it is showing her dominancy. Men want to see woman private parts. By not letting them watch her private parts means she is dominant over males. and she has complete authority over herself
@myinfotech001 I completely disagree. it's not about what a woman wears, it's about how you look at her. In the middle east women are covered from head to toe, yet men still look at their bodies because they have sexually suppressed. In the west women are free to wear whatever yet no one looks and stares (or at least the vast majority). It's all about how WE look at each other, not how we dress.
I never said they had zero knowledge but they can't understand this particular matter. Islamic teachings need to be understood logically. Once you understand it every thing would appear to be logical and fun.
Messages of God are very powerful, logical and for our benefits. Islam never forces any thing on people these are people who have to choose for themselves. People who think otherwise are fools of the century.
@myinfotech001 Sorry, for butting in on the conversation. but doesn't it show that teachings alone can't change anything. it is the heart that must be changed first.
Christianity is all about this fact. Islam seems to ignore it completely.
One hadith even says, even if you don't like Islam you should still embrace it. Which shows that Islam doesn't make any sense. Why would someone encourage you to go against your gut, unless trying to deceive you and yourself ?
You are absolutely correct, I believe same heart must be change first.
But there are some issues which we cant understand properly. Human mind is very limited as compared to what is happening in the universe. Some time we can't recognize our own benefits and our own destruction.
Islam claimed to be a perfect religion because words are from who created universe.
Just i said before there are issues which our mind can't process that easily.
I don't know about such hadith but hadith is not always true. Only Quran is true. Some hadith are true and some are made up by people.
I believe and most Islamic scholars also believe that a person can't not come to Islam unless he got all of his answers and really believe in Islam from his heart.
@myinfotech001 That's true our minds are pretty weak and feeble.
I know hadiths are not always true, but muslim and bhukari mostly are aren't they. There are plenty of hadiths which just seem wrong. Btw I am an ex-muslim.
Because I thought about the supposed corruptions of Christianity cooked up by muslims to make Islam seem true. And found out that Islam is 100% not from God. Muslims are just blinded by their own arrogance in thinking they know about the Bible but don't know anything..
i think i've heard them all. the common arguments for muhammad in the bible, the contradictions in the bible, jesus ordering to kill people (even though the first line of the story is this is a parable). See how blind people can be, it's sometimes just unbelievable how stupid and ignorant/arrogant we can be.
@myinfotech001 It is mentioned in Islam that a woman's hear is a scarp that must be covered and that's why women wear headscarves. That, to me, is unacceptable. How should a religion impose a dress code for females because males would lust on them...??
Believe me it is for the freedom and betterment of females.
You said in west no one stares woman and respect them. I have heard most of rape cases and prostitution cases can be found in west. Is that how you respect females? Would you like to marry a whore or a modest girl?
Try to read this book you will find your each and every answer.
@myinfotech001 So that's why Muslim majority countries have the highest rates of men watching pornography over the internet? That's why Muslim majority countries have the highest rates of sexual harassment even towards females who still wear headscarves? The Muslim dress code has actually backfired, it created sexual frustration and repression among males and females alike. How does repressing personal freedom and forcing women to wear a certain type of garment could ever benefit the society?
This is funny bro. These man which you are talking about are actually following the west because of apparent beauty of western societies. They actually have no knowledge of Islamic teachings and logic. Islam never denies satisfaction of sexual desires but they should be in certain ways, not like animals.
If you really want to know u should read that book which i mentioned earlier. It will change your views for sure.Here is another link
@myinfotech001 So now you claim that Muslim men who watch porn and harass women have zero knowledge of Islamic teachings, yet they still go and pray 5 times a day.... Weird, no?
And also there is a lot of difference between knowledge and understanding bro. I am living with these people you are talking about and i know how much understanding they have about Islam.
@myinfotech001 and you say by appearance we can judge another person. A whore or a modest person. Nothing is going to stop a person dressed conservatively being a slut (and by slut I mean someone who just has it off with 'everyone', someone who wishes to experiment for a time is not a slut).
I believe in Christianity too. But Christianity was for up till Islam came. Message of Islam is same as was in Christianity but few changes were made so that it can cope with modern world.
@myinfotech001 Christianity is all about Christ dying for our sins, Chrisit is our LORD God and Saviour. So how can the quran be from the same God if it contradicts it in so many ways like Christs teachings of love your enemies, obey your countries leaders they have been established by God, turn the other cheek, no excuse for hitting back, pacifism. Jesus made it possible already for anyone to believe in him and you are saved. No need for any other messages, Jesus was the last testament.
wow when did i said that? And being a slut in itself is not a problem. Problem nakedness can do is to destroy social life, family bonds, safety of females, psychological problems, use by others as a toy to satisfy their needs and then throw away.
Being modest represent your true self, family bonds are strengthened, safe from getting into bed unintentionally, no worries about your self how you look, respected by other people.
If you want me to explain, u can ask me about anything.
@myinfotech001 Nakedness ? What is wrong with nakedness. Many Scandinavian countries go naked all the time in public places and they have some of the best crime rates in the world. Best places to live.
Seeing everyone naked right now, if you could imagine ; ) I don't think anyone would be thinking about sex when you see the old, young and everyone in betweens nether regions, what a turn off. It's not really attractive the human body in the buff.
@QuiteNot Actually I find people who cover up sexier than people who dress slutty. And the biggest turn off is wearing something loose and ugly like track pants and jumper. If you really didn't want to stand out you would be wearing that. Not bright colored unusual attire.
Someone who is covered up there is a feeling of wanting to find out what's underneath all that, or is she really that modest ? let's find out.
It's not really what you wear that is sexy, it's who you are.
@QuiteNot Actually it's an attractive face and body that is the most attractive for looks really. But it's a fun personality that is much sexier. That's a complete package for me.
It is personality which matters most in Islam. People will always look at women and judge her through her body and shape. Men will always think, it is fun to be around a beautiful lady. If you are a woman no man will ever tell you about these things but this is actually reality. So importance of female's personality drops down.
In the end we all know attraction toward female body remains no more. So we stuck with personality that don't match us. so hunting for new one starts again.
Hijab is not only covering your body. Like i said it is not necessary for you to do hijab unless you understand importance of it. But when you have come to Islam than it is your duty to understand its importance.
LOLZ..... Really? where? Can i join too? Just kidding.....:)
So you are impressed with scandinavian countries. Just look at the suicidal rates and family bond in these
countries. They have best economy, no problem in life. Why would they commit suicides on this large scales. What do you think, what may be their problems?
Human body with out feelings is just a flesh. we eat flesh every day. There must be feelings and bond involve to enjoy sex and this is achieved through marriage.
@michojong Well, find where it says that in the Quran or take your words back. :)
Alternatively, one could say that in non-Islamic cultures women still suffer greatly. Have you seen what high heels can do to a woman's food? It can permanently cripple them! Yet they still wear it, because men lust after them in those types of garments. Oh well, we all want to be an Islam critic without even bothering to fix our own societies first.
And what's up with OZ being one of the rape capitals?
@WarrenEdwardBuffet You tell me whatsup with all the muslim countries with the highest figures of watching porn over the internet and the highest figures of sexual harassment in the streets? I was born and brought up in a muslim majority country. Unless you live there and experience their life, come back and debate.
By wearing the scarf your saying look at me, look at me, even more strongly than wearing something ordinary. It's about saying I'm a muslim. And you wonder then why your looked at funny...
The whole religion is about boasting, arrogance, pride,etc..asserting it's dominance. The religion spouses rights for people...and says all religions should be respected but make fun of all religions and do not allow anyone to make fun of theirs...they are so full of shit.
I bet if I asked what she knows of christianity ? she would just spout her muslim propaganda against christians.
Hypocrites every one of them. I know everyone is too in some way. But man the nerve of these people. biggest hypocrites ever !
Also nuns wear their habits because they 'choose' to. Muslims all have to wear habits/scarfs to be seen as a good muslim. Islam i's just rebellion against christianity, they want to be seen as the smart ones who follow the 'true' path.
...And don't like current society, so want something that is more strict. But Islam just like how people flock to communism when democracy is failing, doesn't work and is too extreme.
@mizsay One man can marry 4 women and beat them lightly when he's upset. Hmm..... . Islam has no natural morality. Only the morality of your Prophet. I'm doing my research.
@78CAK that is stereotyping and generalising based on your prejudice. The sad fact is domestic violence against women is a problem with some men regardless of what religion they are. For e.g. Bert Newtown (not muslim), Chris Brown (not muslim), Sean Penn (not muslim), Ike Turner (not muslim), Bobby Brown (not muslim), Mel Gibson (not muslim)...you know the list goes on. Maybe you should do your research in the right place not channel 9's current affair programs.
@78CAK no your generalising islam on the basis of a few stories from televistion channels that build propaganda and islam bashing people indirectly. I bet you havent even met any muslims yourself.
@mizsay I have done research, islam is about inequality. A woman is deficient in intelligence and religion, because the quran says that a woman cannot pray with her menses and that her testimony is worth half of a man's. I could go on and on about the inequality. Like the quran always has conditions to peace, peace on those who follow the guidance (quran). So there is only peace on the muslims. that is not a loving religion when it is conditional love (everything).
Freedom of speech is abolished under shariah too. No one may even say anything against Islam. And only 'muslims' can preach their religion openly, all others are subjugated into submission.
Islamic shariah calls for an islaimic state as an ideal ? A theocracy...that cannot be an ideal, never, as the rights of all other people are suppressed.
@QuiteNot You have to understand Quran has never changed like many other holy books and when islam was first revealed women may have lacked in knowledge of financial issues. Did you know it was Muslim women had the right to work way before any other religions picked up on it? Did you know muslim women were encouraged in Islam to contribute their opinions and ideas before any other women of other civilizations?
@mizsay 1400 years ago Islam was progressive compared to Christianity. The Western world has come along way since then, especially the last 100 years.
@mizsay Christians now know where the sun goes at night and many more scienitic advances. The Inquisition was a result of believing in the Bible alone. Humans have brains with which to reason but we don't always use his ability. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Quran is commandments from God that must be followed to the letter. I've read the Quran, difficult to understand what some versuses are saying but I understood most.
@QuiteNot No you haven't because then you would know Islam is about equality.Every single muslim woman is a feminist. Susan carland, tony blair's sister in law and other women who converted, are feminists who researched Islam with an open mind with thoughts quite similar to yours before they began studying Islam.
@QuiteNot Actually, it mentions in the Old Testiment that Christians should wear head coverings. But I totally agree with your statement. Muslims better themselves by immigration at the expense of the host nation. All about domination. But to be fair not all Muslims are like that.
@78CAK Christians do not follow the old testament laws anymore though, they believe jesus fulfilled these laws so that all superficial stuff is abolished.
The only thing I know of is that a christian woman should wear a hat in church or something. But not all the time. Thanks for the comment I agree.
@QuiteNot That's the problem with the bible...it changes overtime to sugar coat everything and suit to modern world. Hence the change doesnt become the word of god no more.
@mizsay The Bible is not the exact word of God as claimed in Islam's Quran. It has devine origins not devine of itself. It's mainly parables and allegorical verses that we have to intrepret usually with the advantage of science. Many Churches, some like Islam, some so called modern. To be Christian you only need to know Christ is your saviour.
@mizsay Actually to a Christian it proves that the bible was not changed, because the story of Jesus fulfills the prophecies and biblical symbolism perfectly. proving it's from god, because it shows a very in depth understanding of the spiritual messages encoded in the bible. And only a person of god could confirm so well. It also proves the consistency of the message throughout all the books and authors of the bible were inspired by god himself. nothing like it in the world. 66 books.
The quran is just one book written over 23 years. One persons testimony on something like god's word is worthless. Jesus himself said this.
No other book has 40+ authors, contains fulfilled prophecy, has complex metaphors and analogies that do not contradict (Hinduism has many that contradict). The authors admit all their mistakes no matter how embarrassing they were, which is the hallmark of truth. And no abrogations to it's message because the new testament fulfills not contradicts it's..
I have been studying the quran and bible with an open mind. But all the claims muslims make about the quran and about the bible seem to be just exaggerations.
The truth is much more subtle than all the crap muslims say. The gnostic books the church banned because they contain non-biblical teachings not consistent with the previous prophets messages. Are actually in the quran, the ritauls that in the quran, muhammad used to do as a child as part of pagan practice. So the conclusion I am coming..
..to since I don't know everything about the quran and bible is that the quran is man made. The authors drew from many different sources for it's teachings, even Jewish fables and ancient pagan myths. And quran contains abrogations to it's message in just 23 years. It also contains a misunderstanding of christian beliefs. Which shows that the quran is man made cause god wold know what christians believe. The quran is also written is a completely different style to the bible..
The bible has full context to understand the meaning. the quran is not written in context. They are all out of context, really a complete and utter mess.
The only way to understand the quran is through the biography and hadiths surrounding the quranic passage and when and why it was revealed. Why the huge change in style, which just reeks of non-biblical ideas.
See no consistency means that we can easily identify that the quran is not from god.
@QuiteNot The bible itself has no consistency. They said god days not to eat swine (pigs) in the original bible but christians eat pork and bacon today because the author"s" decided that this wasnt "relevant" in todays society or in other words they wanted to put it "in context" of modern world...
@mizsay another misconception. Jesus is said to fulfill the law that God said must be obeyed. If you break the law you are doomed to hell. So Jesus paid for your death in hell by dying for your sins, by going to hell and suffering for you so you can be saved from eternal death. So the laws of food and cleanliness are no longer necessary and only used as a guide, since no one can obey strict laws their whole life, love God and one another is the essence of the laws of God.
@mizsay The authors didn't "decide" that it wasn't relevant in today's society at all. Jesus Christ (God in the flesh) declared that it's not what goes into someone's mouth that makes him unclean, but rather what comes out of his mouth (what he says) that defiles him.
All you did is show you own ignorance. The Bible is perfectly consistent. What isn't consistent is the naturalistic worldview.
@QuiteNot The evolution of language changes over time and as people translate the original text or change it from old testament to new testament, obviously the meaning instantly changes.That's why the Quran never changed and people think it's outdated and it is only recited in arabic. Thats why all muslims strive to learn arabic in their lives, because the english translation doesnt compare to the words god revealed to the last prophet.Quran has always been consistent 1 book 1 author, God.
@mizsay Scholars study the bible in the original language. And you didn't refute any of my points, which prove what I am saying. that the quran is man made.
@78CAK and non muslims better themselves by stealing oil from muslim countries :) All about domination new world order domination. Yu've just contradicted yourself. Well done.
Ban the burqa! I'm a libertarian but also I'm a pragmatist. Islam is about domination not integration. Muslims are still only 2% of the population but growing fast. When we hit 10%, welcome Sharia.
@78CAK Islam is not about domination. Christianity is about domination. You don't see muslims knocking on our doors trying to convert people to their religion.
@mizsay Qur'an 2:190 "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad, Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior, and Islam is propagated.
@78CAK By abandoning Jihad, Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite."
@78CAK Why you got to lie for? That is not what it says in Quran 2:190. You should pick up an actual Quran and see what it says. The definition of Jihad is the the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin. So for e.g. me waking up in the morning is a Jihad. By your definition of jihad, you are pretty much defining the role of the American government lol. Do your research mate.
@mizsay Jihad, both spiritual and physical. Sorry, I don't understand classical Arabic. Will have to do with an English translation. Post 9/11 I decided to read the Quran. Muhammad was a warrior plus a few more things. The Americans are fighting terrorism and looking for oil at the same time.
she's bias and a liar, not to other folks, but to her self, my question is not whether burqa should or should not be allowed, my questions is, is burqa something we want in 2011, is it really something a person should wear, is this going to influence the future generations, would wearing a burqa advance or degrade humans. She follows the old Arabian laws, is the rest of the world meant to do the same, are these laws righteous, necessary, moral, supreme??
She may be biased but not a liar. Please quote me the part where you see lies. Arabian laws? What are these? I know that there is no such law imposed on women to wear a burqa or hijab. It is a choice that you make depending on your values alone. I can certainly quote you islamic law on this which says that "there should not be any compulsion in religion". Now the real question is, would you like a society where individual rights prevail or where the executive and parliament
@naw28878787 well lets look what liar means, oh yeah deceiver fraud, now look what i wrote, "not to other folks, but to her self", she said she was a Christian who decided to switch sides, well any person who switches sides from Islam to Christianity or Christianity to Islam is a self deceiver since these two religions are very similar and they both have a similar belief system or "one God" so how can you possibly switch sides and claim that one system is righteous unless u r deceiving yourself
@naw28878787 2nd, burqa comes from the Ancient Arabian customs (behavior, habit, conduct, tradition) which people applied throughout the ages, now these people were governed and ruled (still are) by the Islamic law, this law structure acquired the old Arabic customs since that's the place where Islam originated, so people who practice Islam may not directly learn these customs through law but 'indirectly'. Now to answer the 'real question', a society where individual rights prevail would die!
@guzonjinsin88 the question is to your own self . YOU probably dont want it in the year 2011 . there is no problem with that .. How about those that want to ? is the world all about you ??? if you dont like it , nobody is asking you to wear it :)
@missmillionmaker Majority of the people dont want it in 2011 especially in the modern civilized world/countries, so how did you manage to specify me as the minority or even singularity ? :) I'm speaking on behalf of majority to minority which in this case happens to be Muslims in Australia who prefer to wear burqa. How about those that want to? Those are the minority, there are many minorities out there who request numerous things, unfortunately it cant be granted to them.
@missmillionmaker is the world all about you ??? Is the world all about Susan Carland and what she wants? She comes on the national tv to support her ideals and i m here to debate it :) if you dont like it , nobody is asking you to wear it :) Well i dont like it because i dont understand why people are so insecure about themselves that they need to cover their whole body in order to normally function in this beautiful world and society/humanity thus walk around like aliens. ::))
@guzonjinsin88 hallo !! you dont have to like it buddy! its a free world you can walk about naked if you want ..nothing to do with in security, but then again you probably want other peoples approval ????
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I cant beleave how stupid people are for beleaving in religion, It's just a heap of lies that gulibble people commit there lives to. any religious documents should be burnt and forgotten, it would make the world a better place.
Boothswelding 1 week ago
Masha'Allah what a beautiful sister!
IsaHamzaBilal 3 weeks ago
this women is obviously educated but she is wrong, the burka is a repressive example of militant islam
misr91 4 weeks ago
The reason women wear the hijab or burka is for them to dress modestly in front of the opposite sex, it guards them from indecent looks or behavor from the opposite sex.
raydaking12345 4 weeks ago
verywell said,may Allah (swt) reward you for beautiful words and good answers.jazakallah
truthfullsean 1 month ago
This woman is totally delusional.
killerclone 1 month ago
now this hijab does make sense....the afghani rag is scary in comparison....
ForSanity 1 month ago 2
pain in arse
why islam in all about pig and burka
romeo1111115 1 month ago
if burka would be banned then bikini must be also banned. they are both extreme.
traderseneca 1 month ago
well i looked at the legs of the two women there and did not look at anything on susan. may be this should be a reason for covering.
traderseneca 1 month ago 3
Not only she's pretty, but also smart. I hate some Muslims who are too emotional when talking about the subject but Susan keep it cool and everything she said make a lot of sense.
Jimipedia 1 month ago 3
Notice how the Aussie Asian women don't like to wear Hijab while White women started to them....
Amongoeth 1 month ago
this dickhead women are third class citizens
MrFattyfatfatboy 1 month ago
i have no problem with most of the attire. even the veil, its not my place to say if thats right or wrong. however where i live in canada we consider ourselves an open society, and people are trying to use religious beliefs to prevent them from showing their face in situations where it is warranted, such as during the oath of citizenship. i dont believe islam teaches that you are 100% to keep your face covered at all times, and removing face coverings to respect canadian customs is fine.
Cheapshot420420 1 month ago
Mashallah, this woman explained everything with such intelligence. May Allah grant you eternal happiness inshallah :)
Daweirdo04 1 month ago
living your life locked at home because of the men in your family makes you hate islam. . .
susanmasriya 1 month ago
What a respectful and intelligent woman.
Alhumdulilah sister may Allah subhana wa ta'ala bless you and bestow you with His Mercy insha'Allah.
Salam.
KorruptedReaper 1 month ago
Wearing a scarf or not it isn't anyones business or right to tell a woman what to do about her religion.
Christian, muslim, jewish whatever the case may be we should all respect each others religion or life. Australia is a peaceful country we shouldn't be starting trouble other religion cause we have been living together in this country ever since.
Australia equals Freedom, Multiculturalism & most important ... Peace
Jradi4Me 1 month ago 2
Respect to the Sister for wearing the Hijab, but she needs to know that the "camel hump" style isn't allowed (no hate)
uzzie88 1 month ago
Ban it, women don't have a choice when they go over their
TJ12Ghost 1 month ago
The two women on the right look like whores. Just sayin'.
redbullion01 2 months ago
@redbullion01 Ymi Stynes looks like a whore? Sigh, society will never get along according to various perceptions biased on cultural differences...
ashnkatt 2 months ago
@redbullion01 yea but the other woman is a whore.looks can be deceiving.
shubroto81 1 month ago
@shubroto81 Strange. I don't see any evidence of that. I see a self-respecting woman dressed appropiately. Her clothes remind me a bit of Mary Mother of Jesus. Or Mother Theresa. Etc, etc.
redbullion01 1 month ago
@redbullion01 her clothes do...but what about whats inside the clothes..thats more imp..there are many prostitutes in islamic countries that wear the hijab, doesn't make them any better. Don't judge a book by its cover.
shubroto81 1 month ago
@shubroto81 Well, I'm not thinking about what's under her clothes simply because she does not have it on display for us. Contrast that with what the other two woman are wearing. Also, prostitutes are in every country and in every era. What's your point?
redbullion01 1 month ago
@redbullion01 well thats your problem not mine, but i am allll about whats under hijab, and when i said it i literally didn't mean it physically..lol. My point is hijab doesn't makr u pious, your actions do, and secondly whats on your filthy mind is not their responsibility.So if u saw a prostitue in a hijab and a regular person, u would automatically assume the prostitue is more pious just bcoz she has the hijab on?
shubroto81 1 month ago
@shubroto81 "My point is hijab doesn't makr u pious, your actions do"
I would argue that wearing the hijab is itself a pious act if done voluntarily. The point is if people want to wear it because they feel it is part of their religion they should be applauded. It's not an easy thing to do in public these days. Especially with all the anti-Islam sentiment floating around.
redbullion01 1 month ago
@redbullion01 haha i knew u were going to say that, no there are many many women who wear the hijab and are very unpious, selfish, greedy ..that doesn't mean anything. No they should not be applauded atleast in western countries if westerners cannot wear shorts and bikinis(although that is not christian) in muslim countries, they cannot wear the burqa(hijab is ok) in western countries. Fairness and equality for all.
shubroto81 1 month ago
@shubroto81 That doesn't seem at all logical or equal. Your contention is that because non-Muslims can't wear bikinis in public in Islamic countries, then therefore Muslims can't wear the burqa in Western countries. An eye for an eye, if you will. What a silly assessment. This has nothing to do with reality.
redbullion01 1 month ago
@redbullion01 LMAOO nope it is equal, u think banning bikinis in islamic countries is logical and ok cuz they look like whores, but the burqa should be allowed in the west. NOW THAT IS ILLOGICAL. IT is not an eye for an eye, but banning bikinis is reality for you...hahaha please this is sooo transparent even a kid can see right through this, we are not retarded you know.
shubroto81 1 month ago
@shubroto81 I do think the bikini should be banned. How did you know? I would also like to ban all forms of media which profit from the exploitation of women's bodies. I think certain feminists would agree. More importantly, the burqa shouldn't even be an issue. If people want to wear it, it's certainly their prerogative. It's mostly used by the media and politicians who've jumped on the anti-Islam bandwagon. They're entitled to do so, just don't expect me to shut-up about it.
redbullion01 1 month ago
@redbullion01 lollzz u are so transparent. I also think the burqa should be banned, and i think certain feminists would agree too. More importantly the bikini should not even be a issue if people want to wear it, its certainly their perogative. It's mostly used by islamists who want to impose their rule under the pre-text of free will and democracy while wanting to ban certain things. They're entitled to do so please don't expect people to not ban the burqa.
shubroto81 1 month ago
It's a piece of clothing people get over it seriously.
PariahTenshi 2 months ago
both sides are stupid. neither is wearing it nor not wearing it is so important as to be wasting debate time.
shankyxyz 2 months ago
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thank you.
ndabdofari 2 months ago 6
i think ban the one that fully covers the face (and the eyes are just showing), the one that just surrounds the head is fine. I take this just as an act of safety and security, the same thing as removing a helmet in a bank etc
d1jal 2 months ago
decent , intelligent & dignified........the sister is really graceful & an examplary statement of autonomous liberated & empowered MUSLIM lady of today.
Respect from Pakistan.
God bless her.
86nabatat 2 months ago 15
just look at this lady, very decent ! not typical skin/ body-flashing girls nowadays!
TheKaiser2009 2 months ago 12
@TheKaiser2009 Because women are the property of men aren't they.
energylots 2 months ago
Deport them all to the desert
Dercommandingofficer 2 months ago
Very smart and inspiring lady...mashallah...you are so beautiful in you hijab....i really like ladies wearing hijab (not burqa because it is bida'a)....you put Islam in the spotlight....you are one of the best Muslim women i had ever known...
Arceno14 2 months ago 2
You are so beautiful and your hijab as well
jojzoro 2 months ago
To all my christian brothers , last night i had a dream that the angel Gabriel had died ...this morning it was confirmed ..he did DIE and i'm very sorry for every one's loss .
God bless
1malik1966 2 months ago
@1malik1966 trololooolololololololololololololol
TBird4490 2 months ago
@1malik1966 You worship a man that married a 9 year old. Islam is entirely unethical and immoral. How could any paradise be full of people that worship such a person, such a place sounds like HELL!!!
energylots 2 months ago
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i was in a muslim country.then i saw the way of the poeples life,i didnt like
the islamic way.i left after one week.if you dont like the way of the west then leave.
whats wrong with these muslims?
jayudoka 2 months ago
Masha Allah I pray to God for assist you to help your family an friend to understand Islam, However, I've world file for Islam about how other understand Islam.. Live. If you need it please call me abbabsail@yahoo.com. And i will send it to you.
abbabsail 2 months ago
Sad that she was so close to just rejecting religion but ended up with Islam. :(
minkydoopoo 3 months ago
OMG Sister you’re so brave!! You inspired me!! God bless you
TOGROCK1 3 months ago
masha'Allah she is very eloquent and articulate
Jazaha Allahu Khayran
mustno3 3 months ago
Mashallah sister
IslamNowUK 3 months ago
Mashallah really good
IslamNowUK 3 months ago
Islam will be the dominate world religion in 50 years due to reproductive rates. We'll see how tolerant the new World Order will be then.
78CAK 3 months ago
Isn't it extremely sexist to make women wear a certain type of garment and leave men to wear what they want?
michojong 3 months ago
@michojong Extremely anti-social too.
78CAK 3 months ago
Wearing a hijab is an extreme act of men domination, it is all about women covering their hair and their body from head to toe because according to the Quran men lust on them if they're not covered. Instead of preventing men from lusting, Islam orders women to cover.
michojong 3 months ago
@michojong Allah says in the Quran : Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty (Surah Al Noor 24:30-31)
ndabdofari 3 months ago 21
@ndabdofari Where in the Quran does Allah order women to cover their hair because its a scarp? Also how could a man be modest according to your religion? Also I believe that God created men and women free to wear what they want and its against their free will to order them to cover their hair
michojong 3 months ago
@michojong Bible: And every woman who prays with her head uncovered dishonours her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head (I Corinthians 11:3-10). Judaism: Rabbinic law says a woman's hair is considered "nudity". "Cursed be the man who lets the hair of his wife be seen..." Islam didnt invent covering the hair.
FobSisters 2 months ago
@FobSisters While praying YES, just like nuns and priests cover their heads, but to cover a woman's hair all the time has never been mentioned in the Bible.
michojong 2 months ago
@michojong Actually priests are told not to cover their heads in the bible. And Jewish women arent supposed to show their hair in public according to rabbinic law. But anyway, muslim women pray 5 times a day not just one day a week. Also, in Islam the headscarf is used as a means of protection and modesty hence why women wear it when they are out in public. And how is it copying other religions if THE SAME GOD brought all 3 religions to mankind? Read the holy books before you make assumptions.
FobSisters 2 months ago
@FobSisters The God who brought the Bible in no way could have brought up the Quran. Your claim of the one God who brought up the three religions is a big fat lie. In the Bible Abraham was to sacrifice his son Isaac according to Judeo-Christian belief, while in the Quran it is said that Abraham was to sacrifice Ismail...
michojong 2 months ago
@michojong I could say the same thing about the bible since theres so much proof that the bible has been tampered with and is no longer in its authentic divine form. I read porn rape & incest in the bible but I dont use it to argue that the God in the bible isn't real. Many Jewish scholars have stated that the sacrificed was Ishmael & that the Jews concealed this. Encyclopedia Judaica & the Oxford Companion to the Bible also state why it was Ishmael. But thats not even the point of the story.
FobSisters 2 months ago
@FobSisters You claim the Bible is tampered, yet you ask me to read the 3 books (Torah, Bible & Quran) to know that they are from the same God? Doesn't make sense! If they Bible is tampered as per your suggestion then I shouldn't read it from the beginning, neither should you be quoting from it verses!
michojong 2 months ago
@michojong No, I told you to read all 3 books so you dont have to debate with youtubers in order to get answers b/c youtube is not a reliable source. Even though the bible has been tampered with (christian scholars even know this) I know that it was once the word of God & I too love Jesus (pbuh). I'm comfortable quoting the Quran however b/c I know it has been memorized by millions since 1400 years ago so it has not been distored. But when a christian debates with me I have to quote their bible.
FobSisters 2 months ago
@FobSisters Islam is a creed accredited to an illiterate uneducated man named Mohammed. Islam views this man as the greatest and last of all the prophets mentioned in the Torah and Holy Bible. Thus the entire validity of Islam is based on the uncorroborated assertions by Mohammed that he received these revelations second hand from Gabriel and not directly from God. The Koran infact confirms Mohammed never saw the face of God as did for example Moses.
michojong 2 months ago
@michojong
Prophet Mohammad is the most influencial man in history ...even more than Jesus ...then , a shmuck such as your self, unkown to the human race accept for a few friends and family memebrs tries to cast doubt on this great figure ..then you have the nerve to call him uneducated ???
1malik1966 2 months ago
@1malik1966 That's why Islamism is so popular, Muslims cannot accept that they might be wrong. Muslims could never accept that uniquely the paedophile they have been worshipping for their entire lifetimes might have actually have been a fraud! Why are the most civilised areas in the Middle East Christian or Jewish?
energylots 2 months ago
@energylots You know nothing
Howetiz 2 months ago
@FobSisters The imperative here is to go back to the start and examine what the Islamic texts say about Mohammed, God and Gabriel the angel whom allegedly delivered him revelations. As Mohammed takes it upon himself to cast doubt on the Torah and Holy Bible it is imperative to first examine the man making these absurd allegations.
michojong 2 months ago
@FobSisters It is of great importance to identify the spirit who squeezed Mohammed at the cave of Hira near Mecca. After his encounter with the spirit, Mohammed was afraid that what happened to him was from a Jinni. Then later, Mohammed declared in the Koran that the spirit who squeezed him was the angel Gabriel.
michojong 2 months ago
@michojong
hahahah, you people are something .. where did Mohammad every say the angel was Jinn ?
1malik1966 2 months ago
@FobSisters Had the spirit been Gabriel, he would have calmed Mohammed and relieved his fear. But the spirit left him in extreme distress. Gabriel appeared to many people before his alleged visit to Mohammed and each time the first thing he did was to allay that person's fear. Gabriel appeared to the prophet Daniel, Mary, Zacharias. But the spirit who squeezed Mohammed left him frightened and in great distress. Therefore the spirit could not have been the angel Gabriel
michojong 2 months ago
@michojong Copy and pasting I see. Actually, afterwards he calmly told the prophet that he was the angel Gabriel and that he was sent by God. However Muhammad (pbuh) was terribly frightened b/c it was the first revelation & because he saw Gabriel in his true form (he did not resemble anything known to man). As a result Muhammad's (pbuh) heart was better prepared to see the wondrous things in the hereafter during the ascension that night when he would see unfamiliar sights and unusual matters.
FobSisters 2 months ago
@michojong
How do you know Gabriel appeared to Mary , have you seen it or do you just read that little corrupt bible of yours ?
1malik1966 2 months ago
@FobSisters So now you make it look as if Islam copied covering hair from other religions?!?!
michojong 2 months ago
@ndabdofari Isn't all this Burqa stuff, pre-Islamic? The Quran states both men and women should be modest.
78CAK 3 months ago
@michojong
It is about woman domination too if you think logically.
What do you think about naked woman when you talk to her? Don't you think she is some sort of toy and you should play with her. Is this the way we should treat each other as humans.
Secondly if she does not want to display his private parts it is showing her dominancy. Men want to see woman private parts. By not letting them watch her private parts means she is dominant over males. and she has complete authority over herself
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@myinfotech001 I completely disagree. it's not about what a woman wears, it's about how you look at her. In the middle east women are covered from head to toe, yet men still look at their bodies because they have sexually suppressed. In the west women are free to wear whatever yet no one looks and stares (or at least the vast majority). It's all about how WE look at each other, not how we dress.
michojong 3 months ago
@michojong
I never said they had zero knowledge but they can't understand this particular matter. Islamic teachings need to be understood logically. Once you understand it every thing would appear to be logical and fun.
Messages of God are very powerful, logical and for our benefits. Islam never forces any thing on people these are people who have to choose for themselves. People who think otherwise are fools of the century.
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@myinfotech001 Sorry, for butting in on the conversation. but doesn't it show that teachings alone can't change anything. it is the heart that must be changed first.
Christianity is all about this fact. Islam seems to ignore it completely.
One hadith even says, even if you don't like Islam you should still embrace it. Which shows that Islam doesn't make any sense. Why would someone encourage you to go against your gut, unless trying to deceive you and yourself ?
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot
You are absolutely correct, I believe same heart must be change first.
But there are some issues which we cant understand properly. Human mind is very limited as compared to what is happening in the universe. Some time we can't recognize our own benefits and our own destruction.
Islam claimed to be a perfect religion because words are from who created universe.
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@myinfotech001 I'm glad you agree but doesn't this contradict about the hadith I just mentioned ?
Muhammad said heart can change later...just accept Islam now..even though you don't believe in it...so wrong for so many reasons.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot
Just i said before there are issues which our mind can't process that easily.
I don't know about such hadith but hadith is not always true. Only Quran is true. Some hadith are true and some are made up by people.
I believe and most Islamic scholars also believe that a person can't not come to Islam unless he got all of his answers and really believe in Islam from his heart.
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@myinfotech001 That's true our minds are pretty weak and feeble.
I know hadiths are not always true, but muslim and bhukari mostly are aren't they. There are plenty of hadiths which just seem wrong. Btw I am an ex-muslim.
Because I thought about the supposed corruptions of Christianity cooked up by muslims to make Islam seem true. And found out that Islam is 100% not from God. Muslims are just blinded by their own arrogance in thinking they know about the Bible but don't know anything..
QuiteNot 3 months ago
i think i've heard them all. the common arguments for muhammad in the bible, the contradictions in the bible, jesus ordering to kill people (even though the first line of the story is this is a parable). See how blind people can be, it's sometimes just unbelievable how stupid and ignorant/arrogant we can be.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot
Nup Sahi Muslim and Sahi bukhari is not all correct. You should have known that if you were a Muslim.
If there are not any kind of corruption why they have so many bibles?
Muslims may be but i am not. I am just learning through you. I have not find any flaws in Islam.
Every logic is proving Islam right.
Muslims are bunch of crazy people but Islam is perfect. Some Muslims who follow Islam truly can also be found and they are very good people.
U sld know that coz you were Muslim.
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@myinfotech001 It is mentioned in Islam that a woman's hear is a scarp that must be covered and that's why women wear headscarves. That, to me, is unacceptable. How should a religion impose a dress code for females because males would lust on them...??
michojong 3 months ago
@michojong
Believe me it is for the freedom and betterment of females.
You said in west no one stares woman and respect them. I have heard most of rape cases and prostitution cases can be found in west. Is that how you respect females? Would you like to marry a whore or a modest girl?
Try to read this book you will find your each and every answer.
scribd.com/doc/4032681/Allama-Murtaza-Mutahhari-Hijab-The-Islamic-Modest-Dress
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@myinfotech001 So that's why Muslim majority countries have the highest rates of men watching pornography over the internet? That's why Muslim majority countries have the highest rates of sexual harassment even towards females who still wear headscarves? The Muslim dress code has actually backfired, it created sexual frustration and repression among males and females alike. How does repressing personal freedom and forcing women to wear a certain type of garment could ever benefit the society?
michojong 3 months ago
@michojong
This is funny bro. These man which you are talking about are actually following the west because of apparent beauty of western societies. They actually have no knowledge of Islamic teachings and logic. Islam never denies satisfaction of sexual desires but they should be in certain ways, not like animals.
If you really want to know u should read that book which i mentioned earlier. It will change your views for sure.Here is another link
labbaik.ir/en/uploads/book/P44.PDF
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@myinfotech001 So now you claim that Muslim men who watch porn and harass women have zero knowledge of Islamic teachings, yet they still go and pray 5 times a day.... Weird, no?
michojong 3 months ago
@michojong
And also there is a lot of difference between knowledge and understanding bro. I am living with these people you are talking about and i know how much understanding they have about Islam.
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@myinfotech001 and you say by appearance we can judge another person. A whore or a modest person. Nothing is going to stop a person dressed conservatively being a slut (and by slut I mean someone who just has it off with 'everyone', someone who wishes to experiment for a time is not a slut).
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot
I believe in Christianity too. But Christianity was for up till Islam came. Message of Islam is same as was in Christianity but few changes were made so that it can cope with modern world.
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@myinfotech001 Christianity is all about Christ dying for our sins, Chrisit is our LORD God and Saviour. So how can the quran be from the same God if it contradicts it in so many ways like Christs teachings of love your enemies, obey your countries leaders they have been established by God, turn the other cheek, no excuse for hitting back, pacifism. Jesus made it possible already for anyone to believe in him and you are saved. No need for any other messages, Jesus was the last testament.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot
I am not an Islamic scholar but I think i can answer you that one.
Muslims believe that Bible is corrupted by people. Some changes were made to Bible. That is why there are so many versions of Bible.
Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet like Muhammad. He was not son of God.
Message is same that God exists and worship him only. In Bible coming of last prophet have been foretold
but i don't know where. I have read old testament and i found everything same.
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@QuiteNot
wow when did i said that? And being a slut in itself is not a problem. Problem nakedness can do is to destroy social life, family bonds, safety of females, psychological problems, use by others as a toy to satisfy their needs and then throw away.
Being modest represent your true self, family bonds are strengthened, safe from getting into bed unintentionally, no worries about your self how you look, respected by other people.
If you want me to explain, u can ask me about anything.
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@myinfotech001 Nakedness ? What is wrong with nakedness. Many Scandinavian countries go naked all the time in public places and they have some of the best crime rates in the world. Best places to live.
Seeing everyone naked right now, if you could imagine ; ) I don't think anyone would be thinking about sex when you see the old, young and everyone in betweens nether regions, what a turn off. It's not really attractive the human body in the buff.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot Actually I find people who cover up sexier than people who dress slutty. And the biggest turn off is wearing something loose and ugly like track pants and jumper. If you really didn't want to stand out you would be wearing that. Not bright colored unusual attire.
Someone who is covered up there is a feeling of wanting to find out what's underneath all that, or is she really that modest ? let's find out.
It's not really what you wear that is sexy, it's who you are.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot Actually it's an attractive face and body that is the most attractive for looks really. But it's a fun personality that is much sexier. That's a complete package for me.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot
It is personality which matters most in Islam. People will always look at women and judge her through her body and shape. Men will always think, it is fun to be around a beautiful lady. If you are a woman no man will ever tell you about these things but this is actually reality. So importance of female's personality drops down.
In the end we all know attraction toward female body remains no more. So we stuck with personality that don't match us. so hunting for new one starts again.
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@QuiteNot
Hijab is not only covering your body. Like i said it is not necessary for you to do hijab unless you understand importance of it. But when you have come to Islam than it is your duty to understand its importance.
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@QuiteNot
LOLZ..... Really? where? Can i join too? Just kidding.....:)
So you are impressed with scandinavian countries. Just look at the suicidal rates and family bond in these
countries. They have best economy, no problem in life. Why would they commit suicides on this large scales. What do you think, what may be their problems?
Human body with out feelings is just a flesh. we eat flesh every day. There must be feelings and bond involve to enjoy sex and this is achieved through marriage.
myinfotech001 3 months ago
@michojong Well, find where it says that in the Quran or take your words back. :)
Alternatively, one could say that in non-Islamic cultures women still suffer greatly. Have you seen what high heels can do to a woman's food? It can permanently cripple them! Yet they still wear it, because men lust after them in those types of garments. Oh well, we all want to be an Islam critic without even bothering to fix our own societies first.
And what's up with OZ being one of the rape capitals?
WarrenEdwardBuffet 2 months ago
@WarrenEdwardBuffet You tell me whatsup with all the muslim countries with the highest figures of watching porn over the internet and the highest figures of sexual harassment in the streets? I was born and brought up in a muslim majority country. Unless you live there and experience their life, come back and debate.
michojong 2 months ago
By wearing the scarf your saying look at me, look at me, even more strongly than wearing something ordinary. It's about saying I'm a muslim. And you wonder then why your looked at funny...
The whole religion is about boasting, arrogance, pride,etc..asserting it's dominance. The religion spouses rights for people...and says all religions should be respected but make fun of all religions and do not allow anyone to make fun of theirs...they are so full of shit.
QuiteNot 3 months ago 3
I bet if I asked what she knows of christianity ? she would just spout her muslim propaganda against christians.
Hypocrites every one of them. I know everyone is too in some way. But man the nerve of these people. biggest hypocrites ever !
Also nuns wear their habits because they 'choose' to. Muslims all have to wear habits/scarfs to be seen as a good muslim. Islam i's just rebellion against christianity, they want to be seen as the smart ones who follow the 'true' path.
QuiteNot 3 months ago 3
...And don't like current society, so want something that is more strict. But Islam just like how people flock to communism when democracy is failing, doesn't work and is too extreme.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot I bet you watch too much today tonight, a current affair and channel 7 and 9 news. Those propagand islam hating racist tv shows
mizsay 3 months ago
@QuiteNot Islam is about equality. Not about dominance or arrogance. You watch too much tv bro. Do your research.
mizsay 3 months ago
@mizsay One man can marry 4 women and beat them lightly when he's upset. Hmm..... . Islam has no natural morality. Only the morality of your Prophet. I'm doing my research.
78CAK 3 months ago
@78CAK that is stereotyping and generalising based on your prejudice. The sad fact is domestic violence against women is a problem with some men regardless of what religion they are. For e.g. Bert Newtown (not muslim), Chris Brown (not muslim), Sean Penn (not muslim), Ike Turner (not muslim), Bobby Brown (not muslim), Mel Gibson (not muslim)...you know the list goes on. Maybe you should do your research in the right place not channel 9's current affair programs.
mizsay 3 months ago
@mizsay Channel 9? This is from Islam.
78CAK 3 months ago
@78CAK no your generalising islam on the basis of a few stories from televistion channels that build propaganda and islam bashing people indirectly. I bet you havent even met any muslims yourself.
mizsay 3 months ago
@78CAK it is also from christianity,jewish...atheism and all other religions. If we wanna play the stereotyping game it is mostly the male gender.
mizsay 3 months ago
@mizsay I have done research, islam is about inequality. A woman is deficient in intelligence and religion, because the quran says that a woman cannot pray with her menses and that her testimony is worth half of a man's. I could go on and on about the inequality. Like the quran always has conditions to peace, peace on those who follow the guidance (quran). So there is only peace on the muslims. that is not a loving religion when it is conditional love (everything).
QuiteNot 3 months ago
Freedom of speech is abolished under shariah too. No one may even say anything against Islam. And only 'muslims' can preach their religion openly, all others are subjugated into submission.
Islamic shariah calls for an islaimic state as an ideal ? A theocracy...that cannot be an ideal, never, as the rights of all other people are suppressed.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot You have to understand Quran has never changed like many other holy books and when islam was first revealed women may have lacked in knowledge of financial issues. Did you know it was Muslim women had the right to work way before any other religions picked up on it? Did you know muslim women were encouraged in Islam to contribute their opinions and ideas before any other women of other civilizations?
mizsay 3 months ago
@mizsay 1400 years ago Islam was progressive compared to Christianity. The Western world has come along way since then, especially the last 100 years.
78CAK 3 months ago
@78CAK just because the holy book hasen't changed, doesn't mean the people haven't
mizsay 3 months ago
@mizsay Christians now know where the sun goes at night and many more scienitic advances. The Inquisition was a result of believing in the Bible alone. Humans have brains with which to reason but we don't always use his ability. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Quran is commandments from God that must be followed to the letter. I've read the Quran, difficult to understand what some versuses are saying but I understood most.
78CAK 3 months ago
@QuiteNot No you haven't because then you would know Islam is about equality.Every single muslim woman is a feminist. Susan carland, tony blair's sister in law and other women who converted, are feminists who researched Islam with an open mind with thoughts quite similar to yours before they began studying Islam.
mizsay 3 months ago
@QuiteNot Actually, it mentions in the Old Testiment that Christians should wear head coverings. But I totally agree with your statement. Muslims better themselves by immigration at the expense of the host nation. All about domination. But to be fair not all Muslims are like that.
78CAK 3 months ago
@78CAK Christians do not follow the old testament laws anymore though, they believe jesus fulfilled these laws so that all superficial stuff is abolished.
The only thing I know of is that a christian woman should wear a hat in church or something. But not all the time. Thanks for the comment I agree.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot That's the problem with the bible...it changes overtime to sugar coat everything and suit to modern world. Hence the change doesnt become the word of god no more.
mizsay 3 months ago
@mizsay The Bible is not the exact word of God as claimed in Islam's Quran. It has devine origins not devine of itself. It's mainly parables and allegorical verses that we have to intrepret usually with the advantage of science. Many Churches, some like Islam, some so called modern. To be Christian you only need to know Christ is your saviour.
78CAK 3 months ago
@mizsay Actually to a Christian it proves that the bible was not changed, because the story of Jesus fulfills the prophecies and biblical symbolism perfectly. proving it's from god, because it shows a very in depth understanding of the spiritual messages encoded in the bible. And only a person of god could confirm so well. It also proves the consistency of the message throughout all the books and authors of the bible were inspired by god himself. nothing like it in the world. 66 books.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
written over 1500 years, 40+ different authors. nothing like it.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
The quran is just one book written over 23 years. One persons testimony on something like god's word is worthless. Jesus himself said this.
No other book has 40+ authors, contains fulfilled prophecy, has complex metaphors and analogies that do not contradict (Hinduism has many that contradict). The authors admit all their mistakes no matter how embarrassing they were, which is the hallmark of truth. And no abrogations to it's message because the new testament fulfills not contradicts it's..
QuiteNot 3 months ago
previous message.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
I have been studying the quran and bible with an open mind. But all the claims muslims make about the quran and about the bible seem to be just exaggerations.
The truth is much more subtle than all the crap muslims say. The gnostic books the church banned because they contain non-biblical teachings not consistent with the previous prophets messages. Are actually in the quran, the ritauls that in the quran, muhammad used to do as a child as part of pagan practice. So the conclusion I am coming..
QuiteNot 3 months ago
..to since I don't know everything about the quran and bible is that the quran is man made. The authors drew from many different sources for it's teachings, even Jewish fables and ancient pagan myths. And quran contains abrogations to it's message in just 23 years. It also contains a misunderstanding of christian beliefs. Which shows that the quran is man made cause god wold know what christians believe. The quran is also written is a completely different style to the bible..
QuiteNot 3 months ago
The bible has full context to understand the meaning. the quran is not written in context. They are all out of context, really a complete and utter mess.
The only way to understand the quran is through the biography and hadiths surrounding the quranic passage and when and why it was revealed. Why the huge change in style, which just reeks of non-biblical ideas.
See no consistency means that we can easily identify that the quran is not from god.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@QuiteNot The bible itself has no consistency. They said god days not to eat swine (pigs) in the original bible but christians eat pork and bacon today because the author"s" decided that this wasnt "relevant" in todays society or in other words they wanted to put it "in context" of modern world...
mizsay 1 month ago
@mizsay another misconception. Jesus is said to fulfill the law that God said must be obeyed. If you break the law you are doomed to hell. So Jesus paid for your death in hell by dying for your sins, by going to hell and suffering for you so you can be saved from eternal death. So the laws of food and cleanliness are no longer necessary and only used as a guide, since no one can obey strict laws their whole life, love God and one another is the essence of the laws of God.
QuiteNot 1 month ago
@mizsay The authors didn't "decide" that it wasn't relevant in today's society at all. Jesus Christ (God in the flesh) declared that it's not what goes into someone's mouth that makes him unclean, but rather what comes out of his mouth (what he says) that defiles him.
All you did is show you own ignorance. The Bible is perfectly consistent. What isn't consistent is the naturalistic worldview.
Daracon1010 3 weeks ago
@QuiteNot The evolution of language changes over time and as people translate the original text or change it from old testament to new testament, obviously the meaning instantly changes.That's why the Quran never changed and people think it's outdated and it is only recited in arabic. Thats why all muslims strive to learn arabic in their lives, because the english translation doesnt compare to the words god revealed to the last prophet.Quran has always been consistent 1 book 1 author, God.
mizsay 3 months ago
@mizsay Scholars study the bible in the original language. And you didn't refute any of my points, which prove what I am saying. that the quran is man made.
QuiteNot 3 months ago
@78CAK and non muslims better themselves by stealing oil from muslim countries :) All about domination new world order domination. Yu've just contradicted yourself. Well done.
mizsay 3 months ago
@mizsay We pay high prices for oil. And the countries that sell oil would be backward dirt waters without it.
78CAK 3 months ago
@QuiteNot 100% Agree with every word you said.
michojong 3 months ago
@michojong Thanks man. Which comment was it though, it's a mess in the comment section. ; )
QuiteNot 3 months ago
Mashaa-Allah!
myyou1 3 months ago
Ban the burqa! I'm a libertarian but also I'm a pragmatist. Islam is about domination not integration. Muslims are still only 2% of the population but growing fast. When we hit 10%, welcome Sharia.
78CAK 3 months ago
@78CAK Islam is not about domination. Christianity is about domination. You don't see muslims knocking on our doors trying to convert people to their religion.
mizsay 3 months ago
@mizsay Qur'an 2:190 "Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s Cause with full force of numbers and weaponry. It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad, Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior, and Islam is propagated.
78CAK 3 months ago
@78CAK By abandoning Jihad, Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite."
78CAK 3 months ago
@78CAK Why you got to lie for? That is not what it says in Quran 2:190. You should pick up an actual Quran and see what it says. The definition of Jihad is the the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin. So for e.g. me waking up in the morning is a Jihad. By your definition of jihad, you are pretty much defining the role of the American government lol. Do your research mate.
mizsay 3 months ago
@mizsay Jihad, both spiritual and physical. Sorry, I don't understand classical Arabic. Will have to do with an English translation. Post 9/11 I decided to read the Quran. Muhammad was a warrior plus a few more things. The Americans are fighting terrorism and looking for oil at the same time.
78CAK 3 months ago
@mizsay That's the Witnesses, some might say cult.
78CAK 3 months ago
I thought the burqa was bad but the first minute made it sound good
DREAMofSLEEP1NG 4 months ago
whats wrong witha hate? eyy a hat.. cant go wrong with a hate? bit of shade from the sun ../ hats are GREAT
TheBL1tZKrieG 4 months ago
she's bias and a liar, not to other folks, but to her self, my question is not whether burqa should or should not be allowed, my questions is, is burqa something we want in 2011, is it really something a person should wear, is this going to influence the future generations, would wearing a burqa advance or degrade humans. She follows the old Arabian laws, is the rest of the world meant to do the same, are these laws righteous, necessary, moral, supreme??
guzonjinsin88 4 months ago
@guzonjinsin88
She may be biased but not a liar. Please quote me the part where you see lies. Arabian laws? What are these? I know that there is no such law imposed on women to wear a burqa or hijab. It is a choice that you make depending on your values alone. I can certainly quote you islamic law on this which says that "there should not be any compulsion in religion". Now the real question is, would you like a society where individual rights prevail or where the executive and parliament
naw28878787 4 months ago
@naw28878787 well lets look what liar means, oh yeah deceiver fraud, now look what i wrote, "not to other folks, but to her self", she said she was a Christian who decided to switch sides, well any person who switches sides from Islam to Christianity or Christianity to Islam is a self deceiver since these two religions are very similar and they both have a similar belief system or "one God" so how can you possibly switch sides and claim that one system is righteous unless u r deceiving yourself
guzonjinsin88 4 months ago
@naw28878787 2nd, burqa comes from the Ancient Arabian customs (behavior, habit, conduct, tradition) which people applied throughout the ages, now these people were governed and ruled (still are) by the Islamic law, this law structure acquired the old Arabic customs since that's the place where Islam originated, so people who practice Islam may not directly learn these customs through law but 'indirectly'. Now to answer the 'real question', a society where individual rights prevail would die!
guzonjinsin88 4 months ago
make decisions on certain category of people for them, and choose for them, what suit these people best!
naw28878787 4 months ago
@guzonjinsin88 the question is to your own self . YOU probably dont want it in the year 2011 . there is no problem with that .. How about those that want to ? is the world all about you ??? if you dont like it , nobody is asking you to wear it :)
missmillionmaker 4 months ago
@missmillionmaker Majority of the people dont want it in 2011 especially in the modern civilized world/countries, so how did you manage to specify me as the minority or even singularity ? :) I'm speaking on behalf of majority to minority which in this case happens to be Muslims in Australia who prefer to wear burqa. How about those that want to? Those are the minority, there are many minorities out there who request numerous things, unfortunately it cant be granted to them.
guzonjinsin88 4 months ago
@missmillionmaker is the world all about you ??? Is the world all about Susan Carland and what she wants? She comes on the national tv to support her ideals and i m here to debate it :) if you dont like it , nobody is asking you to wear it :) Well i dont like it because i dont understand why people are so insecure about themselves that they need to cover their whole body in order to normally function in this beautiful world and society/humanity thus walk around like aliens. ::))
guzonjinsin88 4 months ago
@guzonjinsin88 hallo !! you dont have to like it buddy! its a free world you can walk about naked if you want ..nothing to do with in security, but then again you probably want other peoples approval ????
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