Crawling Out of the Cave

[symphanyofdestructin]

Okay, so you're saying that something wanted us to make a computer and the internet, and wanted us to share our thoughts on it? Thought are free will. So tell me how that is possible.

[PeaSoupYum]

excuse me, i mean, lets follow brain activity in detail to that which led to the said event. Ahh, the smoking gun. It was this combination of brain cells. -- "man on the run 411"

The reason for the slight preference for individual over group identity within our brains has to do with the permanent attachment our body has with our brain, whereas the objects and community of people around us is only connected to us thru Sigmund Freud.

[PeaSoupYum]

wild!!!

[ecstatica23]

"I" is always another, the world an illusion, future and past only an idea/concepts :)

[sttoad]

Read the "Law of One" It will help you to understand. It is availabble for free as a .pdf download on the internet.

[HaleyMary]

Very thought provoking. I think about consciousness sometimes. About who actually remembers events in life and what memories may even be, I even have this thought of memories being made of stardust and traveling through space. I like the ideas you talk about. It reminds me of philosophy, always thinking and examining life. :)

[phuq1deology]

I see determinism as a more communal philosophy, rather then an I. The past (person, place and things), determine the kind of "descisions" you make.

Perhaps an easier way to put what you are saying is that there is will, but it is not free...

[riverran67]

So it's still begining huh?

[TetragrammatonMan]

SO.. if there is no "free will" then tell us about creativity....  Good to see you again.

[denito9474]

Inmendham and modernmystic both seem to want to say that our thoughts and actions are entirely predetermined, but that there is a real and independent self which has its freedom taken away because of this.

[denito9474]

If we buy into this deterministic model, then who is it that is not free? Who? If you say that all your beliefs and thoughts and emotions and all that are determined by inheritence, past experiences, actions of others, etc, then the self is also determined by those things. Which is to say, the self *is* those things

[denito9474]

So now, how does determinism deny freedom? How does it assert freedom?

Those determining factors are in charge, yes. But you are those determining factors, not your body or your brain, you are the unique coming together of your specific time and place in history, your family, your experiences, the books you've read, the ideas you've rejected, etc.

So you are in charge. Identity is not trapped inside a skin. The self is not trapped inside a machine. You are what drives the machine.

[denito9474]

'That doesn't make sense, those determining factors are just as inanimate and determined themselves, they can't converge to become a conscious independent being and drive a deterministic body suit' some may say.

We don't need arguments to prove that it is possible, personal experience should suffice.

[0ThouArtThat0]

This is key. Without an "I" there is no free will OR determinism. No controller and nothing that is controlled.

[0ThouArtThat0]

And with an "I", there has got to be both freedom and determinism. That's the dualism engendered by egoic consciousness. There is me and what I want, and there is you and what you want (competing free wills), and there is the world and what it is regardless of us (determinism).

[symphanyofdestructin]

ACtually there is a beginning and an end. LIke the world began from stardust. It will end when the sun explodes. Your video began with you being high. And ended with you being a little less high:)

[jbfoyle]

..the amount of experience we have & the amount of awareness we have during those experiences to "record" them. It would be nice to be able to understand things immediately, and I think if we're wise enough we can get the essence of the message across to anyone by simply feeling and expressing our intention, "non-verbally", It's cool because your comment seems to express that: "it's not my fault": were all innocent :) haha, here I am typing away on a vid that expresses distaste for language...

[jbfoyle]

sorry for bogging up your comments Matt! apologies, but its not my fault :)

seriously though, sorry

[0ThouArtThat0]

"My" comments?? No worries man, I appreciate all the comment activity, and I'm glad my nonsense makes sense to you.

[jbfoyle]

You know its funny, I've watched this a couple times and despite it being a bunch of language I think I know exactly what you're talking about. How do I know? First I must have the experience anchored in my "brain" so I can relate (empathy and intersubjective authenticity, which if I don't have the words must be instruction towards),...

[jbfoyle]

...then when every word seems to make sense in this imagined knowing I can verify that I'm at least close to understanding by the way each word makes sense. From there the words are either used as guidance or not. Towards what? I think we all know: its "that". But the goal itself is not explainable only the action (not noun, only verb). Brilliant video! I feel the intentions! A grand and perhaps critical start to a new page. Its cool how that beam of light seems to point right at your heart.

[panickingjuggler]

you think it's because it'd just be great to say, it's not my fault, i'm not in control? this may be oversimplifying but that's me. i'm not that smart. i don't even know half the words he's used.

[jbfoyle]

A reason "I" "think" I know what he's talking about is because I've watched a lot of his other vids he used to have posted. It's not about smarts, but the amount of experience one has and the amount of information we've gathered. Some people think that the less then ten percent of the brain we use is some sort of measure of "intelligence" which makes us "better" then one another, what's interesting is that the amount of neural connections in the neo-cortex is merely a function of...

[Mork5]

Agreed.

There is only becoming, no being.

But the human process tends to ignore this and construct theirself around the stable appearances of the becoming

(nouns, content) which is a fundamentally flawed way of perceiving reality.

We can't shut up cause the process is to be continued.

[Mork5]

- I'm glad you gave up your resistance to continue your youtubial process.

That appeared to me as an unnatural intention of some totally unnecessary ego that tries to construct some framework of reasons for his actions...

[Mork5]

being addicted to perpetual connecting = living

[0ThouArtThat0]

Why does being do anything? That's the question I'm really asking. What is this happening, this becomingness? What is time?

Ah, but no nouns! We cannot ask about "isness", we can only vaguely draw circles around temporally stable processes. We can't ask what makes the processes processes. We can't see our own eye! The process (uncontrolled by anyone) is what we are.

[jogayot]

free will of course... ;-P