I like it, albeit - nobody can replace Natalie (common knowledge I think). But, I should add - doesn't make it any less ok? I love the way you do the song - you're perfect for the part and you add your own personality to it (I think, that Natalie had a great personality to begin with and maybe that's how she was able to pull it off). So do you. You bring a certain something to it that's different but great. Have fun...that's what it's all about!
Check out Mary on Natalie Merchants "official" website. mary plays viola in Natalie's 1993 MTV Unplugged cover of Iris DeMent's "Let teh Mystery Be" along with david Byrne (!). Very cool song and Mary is very young and very cute....i love her!
Well, I'm way out of the loop. 'cause I had no idea about Natalie leaving the group. I knew that she she did a great solo album. But being replaced? Who knew? Anyways, Mary Ramsey, you are great !!
@mtedeschi For crying out loud, Natalie walked out on us 18 years ago. My son wasn't even born and now he's in college. Natalie quit, left, bailed on us and never called, once. Her lawyers said it was fine with her if we kept the name, so we did. What do you expect us to do? If you miss her, tell her, we're not interested.
@SoloRiderProductions Thanks! These recordings are not currently for sale, though they may be in the future. The best place to keep up w/ current news about the band is at facebook /10KManiacs. You can also check our web page maniacs. com
@SoloRiderProductions Yes,,,the fist time I heard this version I said to myself..." Are you kidding me"???....that's like a totally new song! I must have replayed it ten times and just drank in the beauty of that wonderful voice. It is so full of conviction, strength and purpose that it nearly reinvents the lyrics. This is a rare find and to make it even more incredible a reply below indicates that this was just a casual performance at a gathering of friends and family! Talent to spare!!
@MrJustoffal Yep, 50 of our best friends and family. BYOB. Recorded on The Scharmann Theater stage in Jamestown Community College, where the band met 30+ years ago. We had so much fun. In fact, we celebrated our 30th anniversary this past October with a special show in this theater for a full house (400) and the college threw us a huge party after the show.
Mary is just fine but Natalie is a one of a kind. Remember Mary played viola with the original band. She has been playing this music with 10,000 maniacs for many years and has a deep understanding of this music.
Mary is much more than fantastic here. She redefines the work by virtue of a natural talent so rich that is is a rare find in the entertainment industry. I have always liked this song but felt that I heard it in all of its excellent nuances for the first time when I heard Mary sing it.
There is one weak transition in the middle of the song but it is the score not Mary...Mary is flawless here. The lilting silvery voice is irresistible.
@MrJustoffal These recordings are not without flaws, but we're fine with that. This wasn't about perfection, it was about having a fun evening with our friends and family gathered around. It was more of a cocktail party - hence the flaws! All video editing and audio mixing was done live. There was no post production or overdubs.
@10KMTV Ahh...that is truly wonderful as is the performance. It is nothing short of mesmerizing. The instrumentals are strong, there is a deep sense of calm that just comes straight out to the listener. Perhaps the family and friends atmosphere explains the special quality of this particular rendition..it is indeed very special.
The lyrics as always are memorable and the presentation of it such as it is..is nothing short of spiritually invigorating. I can't say enough about it. God Bless
@MrJustoffal Thanks. Don't forget that we've been playing most of these songs for years. If we can't get comfortable playing them, then we have serious issues. This gig was great fun and there was plenty of laughter going on between songs. Put on some head phones and check out the out-take reel, Between the Music. The audio is low, but our spirits were high. We were in fine form.
@dougbeattie1 Mary is much more than fantastic here. I have liked this song for a long time but felt that I heard it in all of its nuances for the first time when I heard Mary sing it.There are very few pure forces in the entertainment world...by that I mean someone who can move into a work done by others and simply own it by virtue of their natural talent. Mary is one of those forces. There is one weak transition in the middle of the song but its the score not Mary. Flawless!
In 1988 I moved from Canada to the Australian outback. Feeling homesick I went to the local record shop and bought two obscure (to me) bargain bin tapes from North America; TPOH and 10,000 Maniacs. Never cared much for the first one but the second one I wore out. Can't recall which tape but will track it down shortly. Had a light blue cover if I recall. Thanks for all the fine music over the years. I still melt when the local station plays your songs on the way to work.
It seems upon reading these comments and responses from the band that a power struggle which led to Natalie leaving, finally, and that there was no love lost there. It seems like a bad experience with a domineering singer led to the choice of easy-to-work-with over vocal quality and perhaps even avoidance of greatness in the vocal to avoid another Natalie experience.
@TheDinosaurs1000 Domineering is too strong a word. The simple truth is that Natalie wanted control over her songs. She was not fond of the art-by-committee way we wrote. On her solo records she wrote all the music and lyrics, hired the musicians she wanted and produced the songs herself. Our time together was wonderful and fun. Her leaving was very civil and quiet and we knew before we started recording Our Time in Eden.
@TheDinosaurs1000 To say we avoid greatness is silly. We always try our best and accept what happens. As for vocal quality (Mary vs Natalie) that is a matter of opinion. This recording of These Are Days was live in one take with NO post production. You can't compare it to our studio recordings with Natalie, where she sang numerous takes and we were working in a professional and expensive studio with all the bells and whistles.
@10KMTV True Steven, that is silly, very sorry. I can say that even with no post production, a great voice shines through and it is unfortunately crystal clear there is not a great lead voice happening here. A singer, for this kind of vocal music, is hugely crucial so losing Natalie means redirection with distinction and quality, not the same style poorly approximating the original. A very tall task to keep the 10K name without Natalie.
@TheDinosaurs1000 We had no desire to hold auditions to find another "Natalie" when she left. Mary had worked with us on the road and in the studio. She was working with John Lombardo and we were welcoming him back into the band after Natalie quit. Mary is still our singer because we like her, she lives close and she seems to like us. I (Steven) prefer Mary's voice, but it doesn't mean she's better than Natalie. It's just my opinion and I'm just the bass player.
I remember getting excited when I heard 10,000 Maniacs were on Sabrina The Teenage Witch some years back, not having realised Natalie was no longer with them. I admit I was surprised and a little disappointed at the time to see Mary there, but that was in those days - These are days i'm glad she is :o)
10KMTV, ignore the critics. She's sings great! The band's great!
Mary's only fault is that you guys didn't choose her first. Hey Mary! Keep singing. You are GOOD. (and this comes from a Natalie fan. Now ALSO a fan of yours!)
I gotta say... these comments Knocking Mary's talent astound me. I recently obtained the CD of 10000 Maniacs unplugged on MTV; I find Mary's voice superior. Don't get me wrong, Natalie is fine. I just feel like something is missing as I listen to that CD.
That something is Mary's amazing (to my ears) singing. She perfectly suits the band's sound.
I have all of the 10,000 Maniac and John and Mary (or John and Mary and the Valkaries) albums and Mary has an ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL voice. While I enjoyed all the Natalie-era albums, the two produced after that with Mary may well be even better. My favorite song is "Cemetery Ridge" -- I haven't heard such thoughtful/moving ballet/storytelling lyrics like this since the heyday of Dylan. Needless to say, I will purchasing the new 10K album as well as all of their future albums.
Mary has a great voice... Great enough for her to replace Natalie. She does an outstanding job. Accordingly, she is smart enough and courageous enough to step out and perform as well (if not better) than Natalie. Does this degrade Natalie? Not at all. But like the man said, Natalie quit the 10,000 Maniacs. Not the other way around. And yes, Mary is beautiful. Overall, quite the impressive package! My only question is what ever happened to the three female strings players??
To all those Mary haters, I have a few questions. First, doesn't Mary actually have a nice voice? If you closed your eyes, couldn't you imagine it was that Natalie chick singing instead? Also, and let's be honest with ourselves here, isn't Natalie Merchant kinda funny looking? Kinda like if Alfred E. Neumann and Butthead had a baby? Really?
@jmarkl1975 Whattt? Well to be honest, Natalie is indeed original and massively talented but to compare stage presence I would be more inclined to say that it's like a race between an aircraft carrier and a speed boat.... The fluid motion in Mary's performance comes across as a part of a total choreograph lending strength to the performance whereas with Natalie the dancing becomes a sideshow all its own...nothing wrong with that I just prefer a neater package on stage.
This song affected me deeply when it was first performed, and it continues to affect me deeply. Beautiful job keeping it fresh and...beautiful. Thanks.
@10KMTV Man, I hate that. Sounds like it was a bad experience for everyone. You guys still sound great, though. Keep it up. Any plans to come to Knoxville TN anytime soon?
@Bigvader Our time together was a wonderful experience. Great fun with lots of laughs. She left and we moved on. Simple really. She wasn't required to send us post cards or call. We play were we get offers to play. No recent offers from Knoxville TN.
@10KMTV Mary does a great job singing a song made famous by another person. I don't think I would have the courage to subject myself to10,000 critics comparing me to the original singer, I admire her. Please come to Indianapolis so me and my girlfriend can enjoy your music!
My mother dated John Lombardo. They both went to Southwestern High. It was only a few dates, but still pretty cool. Jamestown, NY was like my second home. I went there every summer and even sometimes during the fall as a teenager (I'm in my mid 20s now). I actually went to Jamestown High School or a week or so as a visitor & still have all my friends from there on my Facebook, lol. Then Daniel Tosh was born in the itty bitty town I was born in & went to my high school (years before me, obv).
We all danced in the Sun and played on the grass that day it was memorable. Napa is great and Cali is a little weird/odd yes but don't let that stop the Maniacs from coming back to town sometime:)
I got the drumstick to prove it:) It's a nice addition to my collection. Oops I accidentally put "2 day" I meant @ "Day in the Zone" a long time ago. John was on rythm guitar and Mary was on vocals and Viola. Discovery Park Sacramento. I instantly became a fan. Please come back sometime.
@1hellagood Very good. I'm so glad we didn't play yesterday, though I remember the Sacramento gig. We played in Napa just a few months ago. California is a strange and cool place. Thanks for watching. Find us on facebook .com/10kmaniacs for more information about the band, where to get stuff and listen to new songs.
@miklo1244 Mary Ramsey began playing with us in 1991 during rehearsals for the Hope Chest Tour. If you look closely at the cover for the MTV Unplugged album, that is Mary playing viola. Mary has been playing and singing with the band for 18 years.
She lost awhole lot of sound and feel that complemented her appeal without you guys, I dont know if Im making any sense but music doesnt always make sense. Just my opinion. Whos that guy that playes the guitar. Damn he was good!
@victoriosierra Jeff Erickson on guitar. Jeff and Rob were very good friends. Rob taught Jeff his guitar secrets and brought Jeff on the road as his guitar tech.
Im a musician and Id like to comment on the matter regarding Mary and Natalie. Mary fits beautifully and you guys sound incredible! It will never be the same without natalie. Ive listened to your stuff since forever and I love natalie but the band needs to move on and Mary does a great Job. As a musician and a bass player I would like to comment that natalie's albums are great BUT they are FAR from the musicians the original group had to offer.
@sunbeam11 Jerry Augustyniak - drums, Dennis Drew - keyboards, Jeff Erickson - Guitars, Steven Gustafson - Bass, Mary Ramsey - vocals and viola, Maria Sebastian - acoustic guitar and harmony.
Be nice if the director could have cut to other members of the band so we could see who was still there. I remember seeing the original band in 1980's in Brixton, London after iChing came out. Was about ten people in audience and Natalie kept either bursting into tears or disappearing off stage. Luckily it didn't put me off (too much). Why has the Clinton inaug version disappeared of Utube? It was rather good.
@sunbeam11 The band you saw at the Fridge in Brixton in 1983 had Augustyniak, Buck, Drew, Gustafson, Lombardo and Merchant. Lombardo and Merchant quit and Buck died. The rest are still playing together.
Natalie is and allways be the maniacs, but when it comes to the 10K sound Rob was it. I had allways hoped for a reunion of the Maniacs. Even if Natalie and the rest nof the band got back together it would not even compare without Buck. I am the greatest Maniac fan.. in my mind of course. Still would live to see the rest of the band and Nat get together for some shows I would travle for that..
@cubbfann08 Don't hold your breath. The rest of the band is still playing because we enjoy each others company and playing our songs. We also still enjoy writing new stuff and we are. Should be available soon, check any of our social media.
Sounds great. I love all your music, and I'm delighted you are all (mostly all, anyway) still going at it. For me, it's been a combination of the lyrics and the beautiful instrumentation that always brings me back to you guys. I'm a fan for life, and would love to see you all again. It's been many years (not too long after Natalie left the band). Too many.
@jdigory We are still playing with Mary as our singer. We are celebrating 30 years together with a fun romp around America. Check our official facebook page, twitter, 10KMTV or our web page for news. Thanks for watching and listening.
Leave it to Natalie to not want to hog the spotlight. She has chosen an incredible peer. If only more musicians could share the light...imagine how much better it would all be.
I'm a big Natalie fan,but It is not fair to compare them. But I like Mary as well and I am glad she is in the band, that is ALL!! Thank You for the wonderful post..
@LBjim Pop culture in America thrives on comparisons and competition. It's hard to deny. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I just won't allow nasty or rude comments to go by without response. When they get hurtful, I block them. Thanks for watching and listening.
She seems like a lovely woman and definitely is a very capable singer. The problem is only that she is trying to fill shoes that simply cannot be filled. Natalie is the epitomy of female vocalists, her powerful yet gentle, melted butter-like voice is unique only to her. Mary, as I said, is fantastic, but she performs as if she even knows this is true. It is somewhat like trying to fill the shoes of an Elvis. Often imitated, never equalled. Not meant to be an insult at all, just a fact.
@jsacks222 Thanks for your opinion. Personally, while Natalie is a unique talent, I feel that Sandy Denny is the epitome of a female vocalist. No one, (in my opinion mind you) can hold a candle to Sandy. Except maybe Laura Nyro. Not Natalie, not Mary, not Margo. The fact is Sandy & Laura are dead, Margo is in the Junkies and Natalie quit 18 years ago and closed the door behind her. She is not coming back. Mary had worked with us, she knew our songs, she lives near us and we like her. Done.
Now that I am here, I can clear up any confusion. I profess to be an expert--at least I am regarding my opinions. So here goes...
Honestly, I thought the end of this group was the loss of Buck not NM. Jeff has filled a tough spot, he's really talented fellow. Mary is really talented, too.
I once knew a fellow who thought anything done after '74 stunk. Now that I think about, he was quite cranky too!
@ilovemehself FYI I am the expert. Rob Buck and I became friends in 1979. I auditioned for his band The Obsessions in the winter of 1980. Though I had never played the bass before, Rob new that friends were more important than virtuosos. The new Obsessions dissolved before it's first rehearsal. I recruited my friends Dennis Drew and Chet Cardinale to play keyboard and drums. I also invited a young women I'd met at the college we all attended, to join us for the shenanigans. Still Life was born.
@10KMTV When John Lombardo joined us in 1981 we started 10,000 Maniacs. There was no crying, wailing screaming or pleading when Natalie left the band, but there was plenty of that when Rob died. We were crushed. I still cry over his death. Jeff Erickson was a close friend of Rob's. He studied guitar with Rob and was his guitar tech till Rob died in 2000. After a few years of mourning, we decided we still wanted to play our songs. Jeff was a perfect fit. A friend.
I too am a Merchant fan! Having said that, I absolutely LOVE Ms. Ramsey!!! Mary if you're reading this, you are a brilliant talented musician and you appear to be a gentle and dear soul. I would carry your violin case for you any place on this planet. Hey, are you in need of a bodyguard?
Regards, Mr. 9mm. ps - You're much more beautiful too!
@lurch321 Everyone's a critic. Those that can't play, criticize. What's a band to do? Then there are people like mojobutta who speak in truths. "She can't!" That's foolish. Mojobutta doesn't know a thing about our band's 30 year career except that Natalie's the be all end all. That's fine, but why tear Mary apart when professing your love for the other? FYI..Natalie did not write the music for this song. Robert Buck and the band did. It's not her song, it's the band's song. Thanks for watching!
I agree. All this Natalie v Mary comparison is pointless. Of course Natalie is hugely talented - her solo career speaks for itself, but she's not involved anymore. Of couse the band is different now, why shouldn't it be? Surely we should all listen and enjoy what we like in the music now (and there's plenty to enjoy), and if we don't like it, listen to something else. As for Mary - well I'm not even an armchair expert but she sounds just fine to me. Keep up the good work!
Love Natalie; Love Mary; Both are magnificent. 10000 maniacs are superb musicians, I don't really understand the fuss over better or more superior vocalist. It really is a case of musical apples and oranges. Thanks for posting.
@stevepants I'll tell you what... Natalie quit the band 18 years ago for a solo career. She wanted complete control over her songs and she couldn't get that in the band. Our dear friend and guitar player, Robert Buck, the person who wrote the main musical structure of this song, died 10 years ago. We did everything we could to stop that from happening, but we failed. We miss Rob terribly and every time we play this song, it is in his honor.
@10KMTV.......Rob was one of the most underrated guitar players or our generation. I think over time, it's been proven (in my opinion) that Natalies. songs are not as strong as they were with you guys behind her. I also think though, that there's a spark missing without her. Kind of like a perfect storm. It's too bad she wasn't willing to give up that control. The music you guys made together was unique and holds a special place I'm sure for all of your fans.
@10KMTV.....for me at least...part of my reaction is emotionally based...you know..growing up with your music..in those intense years 16, 17, 18 years old...I think people have a tendancy to get stuck in that time....so it's sometimes hard to be accepting of change ;)
@stevepants I understand. You're searching for the time of your life in a song. I did it. Natalie told us she was leaving the band every year during her 13 years with us. There was no crying, yelling or pleading when she left, but there was plenty of that when Rob died.
@MrL2Hr But, Natalie has been out of the band longer than she was in it. There are versions out there of her performing this song recently with her band. Check it out.
@degsy49 Thanks, Degsy. We love the UK and hope to get back there this year. It's not as easy as booking a flight and playing a gig, but we're working on it.
Mary is a better singer, better voice, better diction, prettier.
But . . . Mary lacks the Bohemian character of Natalie. Mary simply sings the song, she doesn't perform, she is not an object of visual attention, that lifts one's spirit with her free spirit.
Natalie's unintelligible words, flipper feet, distinct facial features, swirling movements, etc, makes one want to go down to Greenwich Village and enjoy an escape into hippiedom.
Mary and Natalie each bring something unique to the table. I love 'em both.
MrBetterOffDead 1 week ago in playlist YouTube Mix for 10,000 Maniacs
I like it, albeit - nobody can replace Natalie (common knowledge I think). But, I should add - doesn't make it any less ok? I love the way you do the song - you're perfect for the part and you add your own personality to it (I think, that Natalie had a great personality to begin with and maybe that's how she was able to pull it off). So do you. You bring a certain something to it that's different but great. Have fun...that's what it's all about!
cruzjohn57 1 week ago
I prefer Mary
TheJM1962 1 week ago
Natalie's shoes are hard to fill, but Mary did an admirable job making this her own. Well done!
wickedgillie 1 week ago in playlist YouTube Mix for 10,000 Maniacs
I prefer natalie
titanosaurus79 2 weeks ago
@titanosaurus79 We had no idea.
10KMTV 2 weeks ago
@10KMTV Just my opinion, no need to get all grumpy about it :)
titanosaurus79 2 weeks ago
Check out Mary on Natalie Merchants "official" website. mary plays viola in Natalie's 1993 MTV Unplugged cover of Iris DeMent's "Let teh Mystery Be" along with david Byrne (!). Very cool song and Mary is very young and very cute....i love her!
tz779 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
Well, I'm way out of the loop. 'cause I had no idea about Natalie leaving the group. I knew that she she did a great solo album. But being replaced? Who knew? Anyways, Mary Ramsey, you are great !!
Jimmyj405 3 weeks ago
@Jimmyj405 Thanks.
10KMTV 3 weeks ago
She sounds like the female singer in the band "Chumbawamba".
jityr2 4 weeks ago
I like Mary, she is really good. But, she is not Natalie.
natfan30 1 month ago
@natfan30 We are so glad you cleared that up.
10KMTV 4 weeks ago
@10KMTV Hahaha...that's funny.
natfan30 3 weeks ago
@natfan30 We don't find it very funny at all.
10KMTV 3 weeks ago
@10KMTV I don't apologize for preferring Miss Merchant. Good luck to you.
natfan30 3 weeks ago
I miss Natalie.
mtedeschi 1 month ago
@mtedeschi You are right.
Evenor48 1 month ago
@mtedeschi We're so sorry.
10KMTV 4 weeks ago
@mtedeschi For crying out loud, Natalie walked out on us 18 years ago. My son wasn't even born and now he's in college. Natalie quit, left, bailed on us and never called, once. Her lawyers said it was fine with her if we kept the name, so we did. What do you expect us to do? If you miss her, tell her, we're not interested.
10KMTV 3 weeks ago
lol why you should always need an instrument in hand...
you just start doin the elaine dance.
iamextremelyawesome 1 month ago
This isn't 10000 Maniacs.
mattythepostman 1 month ago
@mattythepostman Absolutely agree. So sad.
mtedeschi 1 month ago
@mtedeschi Go tell Natalie she wants you.
10KMTV 3 weeks ago
@mattythepostman Why is that?
pillbox1987 1 month ago
@mattythepostman Yes it is.
10KMTV 4 weeks ago
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berpaderp 1 month ago
I could do without the big lady in the background ... discover self control.
IIEpizza 1 month ago
@IIEpizza Be nice.
10KMTV 1 month ago 4
@IIEpizza You should discover kindness, big shot. That lady is a close friend of the band.
10KMTV 3 weeks ago
Plum of a talent , fits the music of the whole group like a B3.
Range , depth and sincerity.
Rare
Just enjoy Mary of 10,000
Personally inspiring.
I share it with friends.
Why don't You
tdnorthey 2 months ago
Mary is a beautiful and classy lady and she sounds fantastic. What more can anyone possibly ask for?
5277407 2 months ago
I concur that Mary's voice, smooth as glass, and stage presence are enchanting. Where can I purchase this version?
SoloRiderProductions 2 months ago
@SoloRiderProductions Thanks! These recordings are not currently for sale, though they may be in the future. The best place to keep up w/ current news about the band is at facebook /10KManiacs. You can also check our web page maniacs. com
10KMTV 2 months ago
@SoloRiderProductions Yes,,,the fist time I heard this version I said to myself..." Are you kidding me"???....that's like a totally new song! I must have replayed it ten times and just drank in the beauty of that wonderful voice. It is so full of conviction, strength and purpose that it nearly reinvents the lyrics. This is a rare find and to make it even more incredible a reply below indicates that this was just a casual performance at a gathering of friends and family! Talent to spare!!
MrJustoffal 2 months ago
@MrJustoffal Yep, 50 of our best friends and family. BYOB. Recorded on The Scharmann Theater stage in Jamestown Community College, where the band met 30+ years ago. We had so much fun. In fact, we celebrated our 30th anniversary this past October with a special show in this theater for a full house (400) and the college threw us a huge party after the show.
10KMTV 2 months ago
I would recommend Austin City Limits.
dougbeattie1 2 months ago
@dougbeattie1 Indeed. Thanks.
10KMTV 2 months ago
Mary is just fine but Natalie is a one of a kind. Remember Mary played viola with the original band. She has been playing this music with 10,000 maniacs for many years and has a deep understanding of this music.
RossM3838 2 months ago
By the way. Mary is fantastic. Where can I find info on where to see you guys live?
dougbeattie1 2 months ago
@dougbeattie1 check out our web page maniacs.com and click on the facebook link.
10KMTV 2 months ago
Mary is much more than fantastic here. She redefines the work by virtue of a natural talent so rich that is is a rare find in the entertainment industry. I have always liked this song but felt that I heard it in all of its excellent nuances for the first time when I heard Mary sing it.
There is one weak transition in the middle of the song but it is the score not Mary...Mary is flawless here. The lilting silvery voice is irresistible.
MrJustoffal 2 months ago
@MrJustoffal These recordings are not without flaws, but we're fine with that. This wasn't about perfection, it was about having a fun evening with our friends and family gathered around. It was more of a cocktail party - hence the flaws! All video editing and audio mixing was done live. There was no post production or overdubs.
10KMTV 2 months ago
@10KMTV Ahh...that is truly wonderful as is the performance. It is nothing short of mesmerizing. The instrumentals are strong, there is a deep sense of calm that just comes straight out to the listener. Perhaps the family and friends atmosphere explains the special quality of this particular rendition..it is indeed very special.
The lyrics as always are memorable and the presentation of it such as it is..is nothing short of spiritually invigorating. I can't say enough about it. God Bless
MrJustoffal 2 months ago
@MrJustoffal Thanks. Don't forget that we've been playing most of these songs for years. If we can't get comfortable playing them, then we have serious issues. This gig was great fun and there was plenty of laughter going on between songs. Put on some head phones and check out the out-take reel, Between the Music. The audio is low, but our spirits were high. We were in fine form.
10KMTV 2 months ago
@dougbeattie1 Mary is much more than fantastic here. I have liked this song for a long time but felt that I heard it in all of its nuances for the first time when I heard Mary sing it.There are very few pure forces in the entertainment world...by that I mean someone who can move into a work done by others and simply own it by virtue of their natural talent. Mary is one of those forces. There is one weak transition in the middle of the song but its the score not Mary. Flawless!
MrJustoffal 2 months ago
In 1988 I moved from Canada to the Australian outback. Feeling homesick I went to the local record shop and bought two obscure (to me) bargain bin tapes from North America; TPOH and 10,000 Maniacs. Never cared much for the first one but the second one I wore out. Can't recall which tape but will track it down shortly. Had a light blue cover if I recall. Thanks for all the fine music over the years. I still melt when the local station plays your songs on the way to work.
dougbeattie1 2 months ago
@dougbeattie1 That record was In My Tribe, released on Elektra in 1987. Sorry to hear it was in the bargain bin so soon.
10KMTV 2 months ago
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sidesaladsf 3 months ago
It seems upon reading these comments and responses from the band that a power struggle which led to Natalie leaving, finally, and that there was no love lost there. It seems like a bad experience with a domineering singer led to the choice of easy-to-work-with over vocal quality and perhaps even avoidance of greatness in the vocal to avoid another Natalie experience.
TheDinosaurs1000 3 months ago
@TheDinosaurs1000 Domineering is too strong a word. The simple truth is that Natalie wanted control over her songs. She was not fond of the art-by-committee way we wrote. On her solo records she wrote all the music and lyrics, hired the musicians she wanted and produced the songs herself. Our time together was wonderful and fun. Her leaving was very civil and quiet and we knew before we started recording Our Time in Eden.
10KMTV 3 months ago
@TheDinosaurs1000 To say we avoid greatness is silly. We always try our best and accept what happens. As for vocal quality (Mary vs Natalie) that is a matter of opinion. This recording of These Are Days was live in one take with NO post production. You can't compare it to our studio recordings with Natalie, where she sang numerous takes and we were working in a professional and expensive studio with all the bells and whistles.
10KMTV 3 months ago
@10KMTV True Steven, that is silly, very sorry. I can say that even with no post production, a great voice shines through and it is unfortunately crystal clear there is not a great lead voice happening here. A singer, for this kind of vocal music, is hugely crucial so losing Natalie means redirection with distinction and quality, not the same style poorly approximating the original. A very tall task to keep the 10K name without Natalie.
TheDinosaurs1000 3 months ago
@TheDinosaurs1000 We had no desire to hold auditions to find another "Natalie" when she left. Mary had worked with us on the road and in the studio. She was working with John Lombardo and we were welcoming him back into the band after Natalie quit. Mary is still our singer because we like her, she lives close and she seems to like us. I (Steven) prefer Mary's voice, but it doesn't mean she's better than Natalie. It's just my opinion and I'm just the bass player.
10KMTV 3 months ago
I remember getting excited when I heard 10,000 Maniacs were on Sabrina The Teenage Witch some years back, not having realised Natalie was no longer with them. I admit I was surprised and a little disappointed at the time to see Mary there, but that was in those days - These are days i'm glad she is :o)
beamifrend 3 months ago
A Great Band, A Great Band with Natalie, A Great Band with Mary, A Great Band
with great songs and some very hip instruments. I like most everything by
the band, but I have a personal preference for Mary's renddtions
ZztunGunn 3 months ago
I like it...she should do a duet with Morrisey!
kiwikidzach 3 months ago
Good to see y'all are still out there playing.
scout14j 3 months ago
@scout14j Still playing. Look for us in your hood in 2012.
10KMTV 3 months ago
10KMTV, ignore the critics. She's sings great! The band's great!
Mary's only fault is that you guys didn't choose her first. Hey Mary! Keep singing. You are GOOD. (and this comes from a Natalie fan. Now ALSO a fan of yours!)
Damn critics can kiss my ass.
Canoe571 3 months ago
@Canoe571 Thank you. Happy holidays!
10KMTV 3 months ago
I gotta say... these comments Knocking Mary's talent astound me. I recently obtained the CD of 10000 Maniacs unplugged on MTV; I find Mary's voice superior. Don't get me wrong, Natalie is fine. I just feel like something is missing as I listen to that CD.
That something is Mary's amazing (to my ears) singing. She perfectly suits the band's sound.
redcat223 3 months ago 10
@redcat223 Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas.
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murfleblurg 3 months ago
I have all of the 10,000 Maniac and John and Mary (or John and Mary and the Valkaries) albums and Mary has an ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL voice. While I enjoyed all the Natalie-era albums, the two produced after that with Mary may well be even better. My favorite song is "Cemetery Ridge" -- I haven't heard such thoughtful/moving ballet/storytelling lyrics like this since the heyday of Dylan. Needless to say, I will purchasing the new 10K album as well as all of their future albums.
FTIRUser1 3 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for 10,000 Maniacs
@FTIRUser1 Thanks!
10KMTV 3 months ago
Mary has a great voice... Great enough for her to replace Natalie. She does an outstanding job. Accordingly, she is smart enough and courageous enough to step out and perform as well (if not better) than Natalie. Does this degrade Natalie? Not at all. But like the man said, Natalie quit the 10,000 Maniacs. Not the other way around. And yes, Mary is beautiful. Overall, quite the impressive package! My only question is what ever happened to the three female strings players??
warrenjlc84 4 months ago
@warrenjlc84 YES YES YES YES AND YES!!!
5277407 3 months ago
To all those Mary haters, I have a few questions. First, doesn't Mary actually have a nice voice? If you closed your eyes, couldn't you imagine it was that Natalie chick singing instead? Also, and let's be honest with ourselves here, isn't Natalie Merchant kinda funny looking? Kinda like if Alfred E. Neumann and Butthead had a baby? Really?
chpmatt 4 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for 10,000 Maniacs
@chpmatt Actually, Natalie is much cooler on stage than Mary, even though she's a goofy dancer. She's authentic. Mary is immensely boring 747.
jmarkl1975 2 months ago
@jmarkl1975 Whattt? Well to be honest, Natalie is indeed original and massively talented but to compare stage presence I would be more inclined to say that it's like a race between an aircraft carrier and a speed boat.... The fluid motion in Mary's performance comes across as a part of a total choreograph lending strength to the performance whereas with Natalie the dancing becomes a sideshow all its own...nothing wrong with that I just prefer a neater package on stage.
MrJustoffal 2 months ago
This song affected me deeply when it was first performed, and it continues to affect me deeply. Beautiful job keeping it fresh and...beautiful. Thanks.
stikmanz 4 months ago
@stikmanz Thank you.
10KMTV 3 months ago
Wow! she looks and sounds fantastic. I love it. Go Mary!
5277407 4 months ago
THis is pitiful ! Pathetic and shameful... Without Natalie !!!!!!!!
heehaa99 4 months ago in playlist Unplugged
@heehaa99 We've been pitiful and pathetic since Natalie QUIT 18 years ago. Where have you been?
10KMTV 4 months ago 3
@10KMTV Do you guys stay in contact with Natalie at all? I miss her, but Mary sounds great here!
Bigvader 3 months ago
@Bigvader Thanks. We've seen Natalie once since she left the band and that was this year when she was in town to receive an award.
10KMTV 3 months ago
@10KMTV Man, I hate that. Sounds like it was a bad experience for everyone. You guys still sound great, though. Keep it up. Any plans to come to Knoxville TN anytime soon?
Bigvader 3 months ago
@Bigvader Our time together was a wonderful experience. Great fun with lots of laughs. She left and we moved on. Simple really. She wasn't required to send us post cards or call. We play were we get offers to play. No recent offers from Knoxville TN.
10KMTV 3 months ago
They sound pretty good though.
SkullVodka 4 months ago
This is not Natalie Merchant so this is not 10,000 maniacs -- done and done.
irock1839 4 months ago
@irock1839 Get off the fence.
10KMTV 4 months ago 2
@irock1839 You kill me. Everything changes, get used to it.
10KMTV 3 months ago
@irock1839 i agree... it just doesn't have the same passion
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czarman01 4 months ago
@10KMTV Mary does a great job singing a song made famous by another person. I don't think I would have the courage to subject myself to10,000 critics comparing me to the original singer, I admire her. Please come to Indianapolis so me and my girlfriend can enjoy your music!
freakledeak 4 months ago
Wierd. Plastic surgery??
ukswoosh 4 months ago
@ukswoosh No, I just like wearing hats.
10KMTV 4 months ago
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ukswoosh 4 months ago
Utterly amazing. I ran across this while doing a random search for something totally unconnected.
Her voice blows me away. I've watched this at least a dozen times in the past 2 days.
redcat223 4 months ago
@redcat223 10,000 Thanks. I'll tell Mary you said that.
10KMTV 4 months ago
LOOK I'M JUMPING ROPE @0:16 !!
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legunncat 5 months ago
Natalie and Mary both great talents... Natalie is different but this is great and stands on its own! Comin' to the Tdot anytime soon?
roisoleil10 5 months ago
Ok, save me a front row seat, but try to get here sooner. We need her here asap!
5277407 5 months ago
My mother dated John Lombardo. They both went to Southwestern High. It was only a few dates, but still pretty cool. Jamestown, NY was like my second home. I went there every summer and even sometimes during the fall as a teenager (I'm in my mid 20s now). I actually went to Jamestown High School or a week or so as a visitor & still have all my friends from there on my Facebook, lol. Then Daniel Tosh was born in the itty bitty town I was born in & went to my high school (years before me, obv).
getitstraight85 5 months ago
We all danced in the Sun and played on the grass that day it was memorable. Napa is great and Cali is a little weird/odd yes but don't let that stop the Maniacs from coming back to town sometime:)
1hellagood 5 months ago
I got the drumstick to prove it:) It's a nice addition to my collection. Oops I accidentally put "2 day" I meant @ "Day in the Zone" a long time ago. John was on rythm guitar and Mary was on vocals and Viola. Discovery Park Sacramento. I instantly became a fan. Please come back sometime.
1hellagood 5 months ago
@1hellagood Very good. I'm so glad we didn't play yesterday, though I remember the Sacramento gig. We played in Napa just a few months ago. California is a strange and cool place. Thanks for watching. Find us on facebook .com/10kmaniacs for more information about the band, where to get stuff and listen to new songs.
10KMTV 5 months ago
In 96/97 yes.
1hellagood 5 months ago
@1hellagood You saw 10,000 Maniacs today in Sacramento? Odd.
10KMTV 5 months ago
does Mary Ramsey was playing the violin on10km MTV" because the night" with Natalie Merchant?anybody knows?
miklo1244 5 months ago
@miklo1244 Mary Ramsey began playing with us in 1991 during rehearsals for the Hope Chest Tour. If you look closely at the cover for the MTV Unplugged album, that is Mary playing viola. Mary has been playing and singing with the band for 18 years.
10KMTV 5 months ago
she's wonderful
5277407 5 months ago
@5277407 She'll be happy to know you feel that way.
10KMTV 5 months ago
@10KMTV Well let her know that she is wonderful. When is she coming to New York City??
5277407 5 months ago
@5277407 I'll make sure Mary knows how you feel. We played 2 sold out shows at City Winery in July. I'll bet we play there again in 2012.
10KMTV 5 months ago
She lost awhole lot of sound and feel that complemented her appeal without you guys, I dont know if Im making any sense but music doesnt always make sense. Just my opinion. Whos that guy that playes the guitar. Damn he was good!
Best,
victoriosierra 6 months ago
@victoriosierra Jeff Erickson on guitar. Jeff and Rob were very good friends. Rob taught Jeff his guitar secrets and brought Jeff on the road as his guitar tech.
10KMTV 5 months ago
Hi guys and 10kmtv,
Im a musician and Id like to comment on the matter regarding Mary and Natalie. Mary fits beautifully and you guys sound incredible! It will never be the same without natalie. Ive listened to your stuff since forever and I love natalie but the band needs to move on and Mary does a great Job. As a musician and a bass player I would like to comment that natalie's albums are great BUT they are FAR from the musicians the original group had to offer.
victoriosierra 6 months ago
I love Mary's dancing, and this video :) It's so uplifting. Kudos to ALL of the 10KM!!!
AshiStarshade 6 months ago
Yes i am aware, as a fan since iching, of the band's hisory! I was wondering which band members were in this video
sunbeam11 6 months ago
@sunbeam11 Read the credits at the end :)
AshiStarshade 6 months ago
@sunbeam11 Jerry Augustyniak - drums, Dennis Drew - keyboards, Jeff Erickson - Guitars, Steven Gustafson - Bass, Mary Ramsey - vocals and viola, Maria Sebastian - acoustic guitar and harmony.
10KMTV 6 months ago
Be nice if the director could have cut to other members of the band so we could see who was still there. I remember seeing the original band in 1980's in Brixton, London after iChing came out. Was about ten people in audience and Natalie kept either bursting into tears or disappearing off stage. Luckily it didn't put me off (too much). Why has the Clinton inaug version disappeared of Utube? It was rather good.
sunbeam11 7 months ago
@sunbeam11 The band you saw at the Fridge in Brixton in 1983 had Augustyniak, Buck, Drew, Gustafson, Lombardo and Merchant. Lombardo and Merchant quit and Buck died. The rest are still playing together.
10KMTV 6 months ago
I just have one thing to say. "INGENIOUS"!
ddgurl420 7 months ago
I love Mary's voice.
mjedelman 8 months ago
@mjedelman I'm telling.
10KMTV 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
some people need to get over it. Natalie is gone. Mary can more than hold her own with this song.
dxartist 8 months ago
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dxartist 8 months ago
One of the more under appreciated bands. Thanks for posting.
bjorn2run 8 months ago
@bjorn2run 10,000 Thanks!
10KMTV 8 months ago
Natalie is and allways be the maniacs, but when it comes to the 10K sound Rob was it. I had allways hoped for a reunion of the Maniacs. Even if Natalie and the rest nof the band got back together it would not even compare without Buck. I am the greatest Maniac fan.. in my mind of course. Still would live to see the rest of the band and Nat get together for some shows I would travle for that..
cubbfann08 8 months ago
@cubbfann08 Don't hold your breath. The rest of the band is still playing because we enjoy each others company and playing our songs. We also still enjoy writing new stuff and we are. Should be available soon, check any of our social media.
10KMTV 8 months ago
Sounds great. I love all your music, and I'm delighted you are all (mostly all, anyway) still going at it. For me, it's been a combination of the lyrics and the beautiful instrumentation that always brings me back to you guys. I'm a fan for life, and would love to see you all again. It's been many years (not too long after Natalie left the band). Too many.
jdigory 8 months ago
@jdigory We are still playing with Mary as our singer. We are celebrating 30 years together with a fun romp around America. Check our official facebook page, twitter, 10KMTV or our web page for news. Thanks for watching and listening.
10KMTV 8 months ago 6
Leave it to Natalie to not want to hog the spotlight. She has chosen an incredible peer. If only more musicians could share the light...imagine how much better it would all be.
julesmn 9 months ago
I'm a big Natalie fan,but It is not fair to compare them. But I like Mary as well and I am glad she is in the band, that is ALL!! Thank You for the wonderful post..
LBjim 9 months ago
@LBjim Pop culture in America thrives on comparisons and competition. It's hard to deny. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I just won't allow nasty or rude comments to go by without response. When they get hurtful, I block them. Thanks for watching and listening.
10KMTV 9 months ago
@10KMTV My pleasure..Keep up the great posts...
LBjim 9 months ago
She seems like a lovely woman and definitely is a very capable singer. The problem is only that she is trying to fill shoes that simply cannot be filled. Natalie is the epitomy of female vocalists, her powerful yet gentle, melted butter-like voice is unique only to her. Mary, as I said, is fantastic, but she performs as if she even knows this is true. It is somewhat like trying to fill the shoes of an Elvis. Often imitated, never equalled. Not meant to be an insult at all, just a fact.
jsacks222 9 months ago
@jsacks222 Thanks for your opinion. Personally, while Natalie is a unique talent, I feel that Sandy Denny is the epitome of a female vocalist. No one, (in my opinion mind you) can hold a candle to Sandy. Except maybe Laura Nyro. Not Natalie, not Mary, not Margo. The fact is Sandy & Laura are dead, Margo is in the Junkies and Natalie quit 18 years ago and closed the door behind her. She is not coming back. Mary had worked with us, she knew our songs, she lives near us and we like her. Done.
10KMTV 9 months ago 4
Now that I am here, I can clear up any confusion. I profess to be an expert--at least I am regarding my opinions. So here goes...
Honestly, I thought the end of this group was the loss of Buck not NM. Jeff has filled a tough spot, he's really talented fellow. Mary is really talented, too.
I once knew a fellow who thought anything done after '74 stunk. Now that I think about, he was quite cranky too!
Free comment courtesy,
Ignateous L.
ilovemehself 9 months ago
@ilovemehself FYI I am the expert. Rob Buck and I became friends in 1979. I auditioned for his band The Obsessions in the winter of 1980. Though I had never played the bass before, Rob new that friends were more important than virtuosos. The new Obsessions dissolved before it's first rehearsal. I recruited my friends Dennis Drew and Chet Cardinale to play keyboard and drums. I also invited a young women I'd met at the college we all attended, to join us for the shenanigans. Still Life was born.
10KMTV 9 months ago
@10KMTV When John Lombardo joined us in 1981 we started 10,000 Maniacs. There was no crying, wailing screaming or pleading when Natalie left the band, but there was plenty of that when Rob died. We were crushed. I still cry over his death. Jeff Erickson was a close friend of Rob's. He studied guitar with Rob and was his guitar tech till Rob died in 2000. After a few years of mourning, we decided we still wanted to play our songs. Jeff was a perfect fit. A friend.
10KMTV 9 months ago
@10KMTV
If the camera is focused on the conductor some will forget the orchestra.
I know, because I used to drive a tour bus.
Thank you all for the music, then and now,
Ignatius L. (secretary previously mispelled name)
ilovemehself 9 months ago
I too am a Merchant fan! Having said that, I absolutely LOVE Ms. Ramsey!!! Mary if you're reading this, you are a brilliant talented musician and you appear to be a gentle and dear soul. I would carry your violin case for you any place on this planet. Hey, are you in need of a bodyguard?
Regards, Mr. 9mm. ps - You're much more beautiful too!
Mister9mm 9 months ago
Comparing Natalie to Mary = comparing apples and oranges.
lurch321 10 months ago
@lurch321 Everyone's a critic. Those that can't play, criticize. What's a band to do? Then there are people like mojobutta who speak in truths. "She can't!" That's foolish. Mojobutta doesn't know a thing about our band's 30 year career except that Natalie's the be all end all. That's fine, but why tear Mary apart when professing your love for the other? FYI..Natalie did not write the music for this song. Robert Buck and the band did. It's not her song, it's the band's song. Thanks for watching!
10KMTV 10 months ago 9
@10KMTV No problem! Keep doing what you're doing--you're making Rob smile.
lurch321 10 months ago
@10KMTV
I agree. All this Natalie v Mary comparison is pointless. Of course Natalie is hugely talented - her solo career speaks for itself, but she's not involved anymore. Of couse the band is different now, why shouldn't it be? Surely we should all listen and enjoy what we like in the music now (and there's plenty to enjoy), and if we don't like it, listen to something else. As for Mary - well I'm not even an armchair expert but she sounds just fine to me. Keep up the good work!
1nuit 10 months ago 2
Mary great and lovely. Well done 10KM!
alciaran 10 months ago 2
Love Natalie; Love Mary; Both are magnificent. 10000 maniacs are superb musicians, I don't really understand the fuss over better or more superior vocalist. It really is a case of musical apples and oranges. Thanks for posting.
sdt75061 10 months ago
days of mid-90's are back..thx for sharing
haiboriver 10 months ago
what? this is not good.
stevepants 11 months ago
@stevepants I'll tell you what... Natalie quit the band 18 years ago for a solo career. She wanted complete control over her songs and she couldn't get that in the band. Our dear friend and guitar player, Robert Buck, the person who wrote the main musical structure of this song, died 10 years ago. We did everything we could to stop that from happening, but we failed. We miss Rob terribly and every time we play this song, it is in his honor.
10KMTV 11 months ago
@10KMTV.......Rob was one of the most underrated guitar players or our generation. I think over time, it's been proven (in my opinion) that Natalies. songs are not as strong as they were with you guys behind her. I also think though, that there's a spark missing without her. Kind of like a perfect storm. It's too bad she wasn't willing to give up that control. The music you guys made together was unique and holds a special place I'm sure for all of your fans.
stevepants 11 months ago
@10KMTV.....for me at least...part of my reaction is emotionally based...you know..growing up with your music..in those intense years 16, 17, 18 years old...I think people have a tendancy to get stuck in that time....so it's sometimes hard to be accepting of change ;)
stevepants 11 months ago
@stevepants I understand. You're searching for the time of your life in a song. I did it. Natalie told us she was leaving the band every year during her 13 years with us. There was no crying, yelling or pleading when she left, but there was plenty of that when Rob died.
10KMTV 11 months ago
I like it ;), but Natalie...
MrL2Hr 11 months ago
@MrL2Hr But, Natalie has been out of the band longer than she was in it. There are versions out there of her performing this song recently with her band. Check it out.
10KMTV 11 months ago
@10KMTV It is true, and I still love your music ;)
MrL2Hr 11 months ago
@MrL2Hr Thanks. We still love playing our music for you.
10KMTV 11 months ago
Mary is in her late 40s... do ladies her age get any Jucier?
She's a Cutie... and very talented... big voice here for a 95-pounder... and she's a very talented Violinist.
walk44321 11 months ago
I love Mary and her goofy dancing!
hazel66 1 year ago
Hi 10kmtv, glad you read all the comments, just had a look on Three of a Kind. Love your music in the UK. Bring yourselfs to the Uk
degsy49 1 year ago
@degsy49 Thanks, Degsy. We love the UK and hope to get back there this year. It's not as easy as booking a flight and playing a gig, but we're working on it.
10KMTV 1 year ago
@10KMTV
Great news, ill too look out for the dates, remember tho, theres a north of england ie liverpool ;-)
KIPPERMAN32 1 year ago
@KIPPERMAN32 We've staggered around most of the UK, save for Liverpool. Sorry about that.
10KMTV 11 months ago
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saranditown 1 year ago
Mary is a better singer, better voice, better diction, prettier.
But . . . Mary lacks the Bohemian character of Natalie. Mary simply sings the song, she doesn't perform, she is not an object of visual attention, that lifts one's spirit with her free spirit.
Natalie's unintelligible words, flipper feet, distinct facial features, swirling movements, etc, makes one want to go down to Greenwich Village and enjoy an escape into hippiedom.
Rocky169 1 year ago
..............In fact she is fantastic
degsy49 1 year ago 2
Mary has some shoes to fill after NM, but she does it very well
degsy49 1 year ago 3
Oh, she's old now. Not so juicy anymore.
dvdfrnzwbr 1 year ago
@dvdfrnzwbr Who is?
10KMTV 1 year ago
@dvdfrnzwbr If you want juicy, get Ke$ha or Britney in a carton at Walmart. I'll avidl