I'm an IBO on Amway with plenty of information to offer, i'll walk you through anything whether you sign up as a customer of mine or join my business or nothing at all. i'll help you through it :)
Amway. Mona Vee and million other MLM are nothing but a scam. I asked thousands of people to show me their tax return and show me the real income from MLM, and there is no one who did and ever will . MLM is like a communism, it look great but will destroy you, take all you have and kill you in the end.
cont. was suspended. Turns out that up to Emerald status, its called a "rebate" check not "profit", so the co. can get around the FTC retail customer rule. Ask Doug Devos and all other Crown/Diamond's to show you THEIR customers. Good luck w/that! Doug is a Paris Hilton trust fund baby. He doesn't care if YOU make money. As long as your consuming his cost prohibitive products. He lives in St. Peter Island. Last I looked, the P @ G and Colgate Palmolive's of the world aren't shaking. Good luck.
@TheFishtrap I hit the Emerald Level recently and I have kept very strict book keeping on all out of pocket expenses, (gas, travel time, personal time, product cost, seminars etc.) After my first 8 months in the business I was no longer in the "red". For my own personal knowledge, can you help me out and explain how the " Emerald Status" is a rebate check and not profit?
@mpb4u2nv Most certainly will. What u don't know is the co. is covering your ass by cutting a deal w/FTC's 70/30 retail customer rule and that is MOST IBOs never get past say 100 bucks, which labels them a "hobbyist" according to FTC. So scammy Rich DeVos got the language changed to "rebate" checks NOT profit checks so as to protect the integrity(laugh) of the co. and IBOs. Once your past Emerald you have to have a certain % of "customers" on board or you don't get tax deductions @ possible susp
@mpb4u2nv Cont- Don't have this conversation w/upline, they'll just lie to you. Dude, I can tell u so many scammy tricks your upline does to you. Britt/Yeager will just buy a shitload of product 4 people and "show" as customers or dump onto food shelves. Yeager RENTS fancy boats @ cars for fake photo ops, all in the name of selling their recycled literature. You can't make this stuff up. If I could, I'd be living in the South Hamptons w/the Spielberg's of the world. Rich/Dexter-two peas in a pod
@mpb4u2nv cont- Skill With People by Les Giblin (Google it), Yager does what the industry calls "reverse engineering" to get around copy right infringement law. His book? People Skills by Dexter Yager. Les wasn't buying it . Courts ordered Amazon/Dexter to cease. He just took skid loads of his book and dumped overseas. What makes u think upline can sell cost prohibitive products? Hypnotizing them? Drugging them? Gunpoint? They can't. That's why they've made all their money in literature.Getaclue
@mpb4u2nv Unless u want to be scammy like these people-prospect away! knock yourself out! I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. Free open markets r driven by "buyer beware". Why? Because u can sell anything! that's why! I'm outta here. Good luck.
@TheFishtrap Wow a lot said without answering the question. Show me how my business failed, not yours! Obviously you were part of the Britt/ Yager group. Sorry for you. Cant argue with you there. That organization was horrible! Fortunately I do not share your same problems and even after tripling the numbers, " I'm a lying sack of shit" Very comical because I obviously have something to prove to you, right? Well I guess you Win! I fold! Run along now but I'll continue to cash my checks.
@TheFishtrap Ok, gotta love the Mrs.! Check this out. I showed this to her and the reply was, "Fuck him and his website! Invite him to our house along with all of the others failures and we will show him in person!" I think this is a great idea! Ill video the entire meeting showing you checks, 1099's etc whatever you ask for. If I'm lying,I will personally post a video of myself wherever you would like confessing whatever it is you would like me to say. If I'm right, you apologize.
@TheFishtrap To sweeten the pot, if I'm wrong you can go into my garages and have your pick of vehicles with title in hand. Yep thats right, print this out so you have proof I made this claim. If this meeting happens and you choose to apologize, I will ask permission from you if I can post this video recording on your site! Trying to be respectful. Seems pretty fair to me
@mpb4u2nv This isn't about taking FROM you. You have your upline to do that. This is about educating you. Remember, ignorance isn't about being dumb or stupid. It's the lack of information. You can learn a lot from our 18 former Diamonds who had the ba... to dump their loserness onto Dateline. Take advantage of it and save yourself A LOT of hard ache.
@TheFishtrap Thats what I thought. I have made this offer several times and still no takers. I got to one point where a gentleman and his wife said they were coming. I had local authorities on standby just so they felt safe and my family as well. After all we were strangers. Also local news crew but once again a no show. So sorry you did not succeed. The offer always stands. Hey if you're right, it'll be the fastest 100k you've ever made. Take care. I wish you the best of luck in life.
@mpb4u2nv So your having a meeting. So what. I've had many. How is your offer relevant? What? Anyway, My offer stands permanently 4 YEARS because no one can claim it. If you or anybody reading this post wants to post their 1099 and/or outrageous profit check claims on my YouTube "public 24/7" address can do so. In fact, I'll give you one year from this date, 11-7-12 to post. Go get em tiger! clock is ticking. And no... YOU take care and best of luck to YOU. Your the one needing it. I'm good.
@TheFishtrap Once again you have beat around the bush. You're pretty good at avoiding things. How is my offer relevant, well , you want 1099 and i want to give them to you in person and broadcast the entire meeting with YOU on a news program plus offer you a huge payout if you're correct! Forget you tube and lets stop speaking through posts! I'm actually agreeing to your terms and going even further. If you're so confident, you can prove to the world you're correct and also have my 1099
@TheFishtrap What does you having many meetings have anything to do with the one I'm proposing to you. One meeting one time! Whats the problem! If i post my 1099, I can tell just by the way you speak, you're next claim will be that they are fake or touched up somehow. Or that my checks aren't real. My way, you'll see and touch them and I will give you access to a computer so you can post up MY 1099 right in front of me! Sorry if you can't comprehend. I can't type any slower.
@mpb4u2nv OK. your smart enough to hop on the Internet where u can be anybody u want, hence, the ongoing outrageous claims by IBO wannabees. I'm confident you can take a photo of your last three paychecks along w/last years 1099 that u had to report to the IRS and post on YouTube. Your having a tough time w/this simple concept because why? Or is it the reason that we all suspect from you smoke and mirror people?
@TheFishtrap For the love of God... Im asking you to go national with this! Im agreeing with you! Im agreeing with you! One more time, I'm......AGREEING... with... you! You are 100% CORRECT, on the internet, you can be anyone you want, but in person with a news crew! No smoke and mirrors, just a hand shake between live human beings. Posting up my checks will not satisfy your personality nor mine! You will claim they're fake and I personally would like to look you in the eyes
@mpb4u2nv Already went national. On Dateline, in prime time. Biggest shit ass grins on our faces. Their phony PR dept was scrambling like little girls. It was a beautiful thing. Been there, done that. Your late to the party with your same crap. The industry has already moved on (yawn). You look like a trick or treater showing up at one in the morning. Kind of embarrassing don't you think?
@TheFishtrap You have done everything but allow me to accept your offer of posting my 1099. I WILL DO THAT FOR YOU. Also my checks as well but why won't you don it sitting next to me? I'm agreeing to your terms but what do I get in return?
@mpb4u2nv You can accept anything u want. Post away! Aren't u an INDEPENDENT business owner (IBO)? Than act like one. How old are you? Sitting next to me? What r u gay? Have u taken your medication today?
@TheFishtrap I have a question for you, are you an asshole? With all do respect, its a yes or no question. Let's see if you can answer that. I saw the Dateline Program and once again I will AGREE with you. What happened to those people was horrible. Once again I'm talking about today, current time as we speak. WOULD YOU MEET ME IN PERSON! Please dont respond with useless statistics and insults! Its a simple yes or no. I'll put it on a piece of paper and ask you to circle one
@mpb4u2nv Nope. Just an honest business person who, along w/a group of others tried to "right" a once great industry that still spews its B.S. to this day. But thanx 4 asking. Meet you in person? And what would this accomplish? Pacify your obvious self esteem issues? News flash 4 you: The free open markets doesn't care about your self esteem nor is it a talent contest. Put it on a piece of paper? Didn't u just contradict your own "insults" accusation? You just flat out need to read more.
@TheFishtrap Wow the gay card! Not that there is anything wrong with that but your pretty shallow. Married, two children and living a beautiful blessed life. Anyway back to the beaten path which you so well stray from. Got two Diamonds in my downline who will also post their 1099 on your site like you asked. If you're right they each throw in 100k as well. Thats 300k! Pretty good deal for you. Anytime you're ready
@mpb4u2nv Let me see if I can help u w/your self esteem issues regarding your obsession with the "physical" parts of me. If u sit next to me, I've been told It's pleasant from people, whatever that means. Also, wanting to look into my eyes (whatever), I've been told their "pretty blue". Hope that helps. Ah, no, Haven't strayed at all from beaten path. On the contrary. Simply continuing to call u people on the rug w/your constant ongoing claims. And no, Not interested in taking scammy tool scam
@mpb4u2nv cont- money from sleazy Diamonds self serving agendas. That's why our 18 Dia. left. However, we've been told from co. that about an embarrassing 2% renewed their mem. Might want to try them.
P.S. Still waiting for those fairy tale posts. Waiting... waiting... waiting...
@TheFishtrap Ok clearly we're not getting anywhere and you keep bringing up this "gay" talk which has taught me a valuable lesson. I now know I'm dealing with a guy when this entire time I thought I was talking to a bitch. My apologies. You clearly love to debate which is a wonderful trait but see what you can do about those bitch tendencies you have acquired. Lets argue now. Cant wait to read your reply. This is becoming quite amusing. Speak soon
@mpb4u2nv WE'RE not getting anywhere? Speak 4 yourself. I'm getting somewhere just fine by continuing to prove your false claims (posts?, anybody? anybody?). Keep bringing up this "gay" talk. Ah, no, brought it up once. Check previous posts. Only because it seemed like a good question because of your obsession w/me physically. Or was that just a lame attempt to be a hard ass because you have no income posts to speak of? Thought I was talking to a bitch? Jeez, I'd hate to be your wife. cont-
@mpb4u2nv cont- My apologies to her! Love to debate? Ah, no, just replying to a public post forum like anybody else. If you choose to stop responding your debate accusations will end. Wonderful trait? Thanks! I guess. Bitch tendencies you have acquired? Again, your wife(pity look on face). I guess if posting facts and logic denotes "acquired", I'll take that. Lets argue now?(see last sentence). Can't wait? Why thank u for interest! You failing at defending your "bus" opp does seem amusing.Iagree
@TheFishtrap you're great! more more! lets see... what else can I say to trigger your anger hmmmmm. Wait, so you were emerald and lost it or left it or whatever your claim may be? tell me about your failure or how you were scammed. you're an honest business person just trying to warn everyone. good for you. you're doing great! my wife was upset but accepts your apology.(see first sent of last post) no hard feelings. stop responding,never! retired 7 yrs prior to Amway. this is amusing
@mpb4u2nv Trigger your anger? Your flattering yourself. Just responding to your senseless posts. Yes, was an Emerald. No, didn't lose anything. Yes, all 18 resigned after YOUR upline didn't want us to fix the co. crappy image by making the tools money fair and equitable to YOUR downline like the products ( silly us, what were we thinking wanting to be fair). Had no failure or scammed. Tried to get rid OF the scam. Good for you, you're doing great? Oh gee, thanks Dad. -cont
@mpb4u2nv cont-Wife was upset w/you but accepts my apology.Your welcome. Might want to thank her for forgiving you. No hard feelings? Never was "doing" feelings. Can't help u there. remember earlier post lesson- free, open markets doesn't care about your "feelings" or self esteem. Retired 7 yrs prior to Amway? And your point being what? What is that relevant to? Thanx 4 sharing anyway... I guess. This is amusing? Than why r u in it?
@TheFishtrap So technical how you break down my entire post. Amazing! Very detailed. Try this one. Its Saturday and its about 80 degrees out. Im gonna go for a ride and listen to an audio that I paid $7 for!! I know, I know, way too much money! Hopefully I can afford to get gas today after that purchase. Anyway after that I'll hit the marina and see whats going on there. Ok lets make a u turn, Amway is the best business in the world. Totally off subject but gave you more to break down!
@mpb4u2nv Can u get any more juvenile? And u call yourself a business owner? Really? Ya know, our congress is trying to get more relief to small business owners to grow the economy/jobs. Call me crazy but my common sense is going to go out on a limb here and think that they didn't have someone like you in mind. No... ya think?
@TheFishtrap CONT- that means continued from last post. Remember that. Ok well enjoy! I'll respond after you. Oh and you mentioned no failure or scam, so are you still and Emerald and are you still getting paid? This should be good
@mpb4u2nv Still an Emerald according to the co. Imagine that, they keep trying to suck up to us to keep us around like some sort of hologram. Think maybe their feeling a little guilty about something? No.... They also do it to show better phony numbers. What a shock. I gave them direct deposit instructions for the dwindling residual checks to go to charity of my choice. They even wanted to control choice ( shaking head).
@TheFishtrap Oh and after you break that down, here is a simple one. You keep mentioning "scammy tools." How much was your group getting charged for tools?
@mpb4u2nv The top Crowns who centralize the tools money ( because they think they own free speech?) determine price. Last I heard the average organization payed forty a month. I know some sleazy Diamonds that sucker their down line upwards of 95 dollars a month in online "hosting fees" (LOL). Now that's taking the scam to a whole new creative level. There's an idea for ya! Charge that to your down line diamonds. Or was that another one of your fantasies?
@TheFishtrap Not gonna be bothered reading the first two posts but did finally get some numbers. $40 a month is still high. My team is around $25 to $30 tops. Even at $40, in one year thats still less than a decent bottle of wine. Hosting fees??? Never heard of such a thing. Man, the older Diamonds really did screw some people and ruin this business. I have Emeralds in my downline that never even purchased a tool. As a team we have always passed it down.
@mpb4u2nv So it sounds like tools scam is still ruining. Your containing it within group? hard to believe. If so, Older Diamonds WILL find out and terminate memberships. Their still doing it. Beware. You have to give your timid gun shy prospects fresh start. Just read the top comments above this one. "Even a new born baby will spit on your face if you say Amway". Pretty much says it all.
@TheFishtrap I see where you're coming from. Not sure about the hosting fee. Most people wouldn't pay that but really if you break it down, $40/ month and $95/ month is till only $1620/year. Not a lot of money but its not right if this was being stolen from people. Obviously we are experiencing different practices in this business. Not sure I would've been involved if I had to deal with the things you did. If it happens to me, I'm out but so far its been a good thing.
@mpb4u2nv If u do go out, now is the time. The former 18 Dia. partnered w/new billion dollar brand name with huge migration going on not just from yours but from all big co. names in this industry. Their group is best to get in under because of huge names( former CEO of walmart, pro athletes, other brand names), that give an opp. that your downline @ prospects will want to do not to mention huge spill for them. Also, just announced last Thurs that the Billionaire acquired a 30 country -cont
@mpb4u2nv cont- global co. that will blow the doors off this industry. It WILL be biggest-some competitors have already conceded. FYI
I can e mail u sites and decide for self. I've sent dozens there and every single person joined EVERY. ONE. You'll know why. Other than that, I'm signing off on this ongoing conversation. Good luck with your future endeavors.
@TheFishtrap Post up the sites. Ill take a look. If what you're saying is true then its a possibility for the future but as of now its just too profitable to walk away from. I would like to read about it though
@mpb4u2nv Their having private teleconf tonight 11-15, w/billionaire on the launch of new site that will have 20 country merger co. along w/their internal group(DSP) site to be launched. Since I chose to wait until merger was completed, teleconf is only for founders but just got private e mail as to when I can listen to recorded teleconf. Keep u posted on giving sites. Later
@TheFishtrap Maybe this will help...my books are to the penny but here it is rounded up. Meetings 2x a month,$200 per month(gas,travel, my time). 2 seminars a year $2000 x2 (my wife likes to shop). $400 a month on personal product. Support material $30 to $50 a month, lets use $50. Thats $11,800 a year. Assume I'm wrong and triple that, $35,400. My Q 12 bonus is half of that, that doesn't include platinum, ruby, sapphire bonus nor my monthly income. Already in the plus without my Emerald!
@mpb4u2nv What a lying sack of shit! I had everything you stated and even a further status then Emerald. I posted my 1099's and wimpy "rebate" checks to my downline to show what a scam it was. Doug DeVos doesn't like us because he's allergic to transparency. Post your 1099! post your big bad (laugh) bonuses. Funny, people like you along w/the phony Britt/Yeager's never have Hm... STOP! Stop your phony claims and charades. Your beyond embarrassing yourself! The P @ G and Colgate's aren't shaking.
@mpb4u2nv We've set up a web site to help people (suckers) like you to de-program yourself. Google the phrase Quixtar Business Analysis. Make sure there's nothing around you that you can break. Remember, my YouTube address is open 24/7 for you fakes to post your "profits". I won't be holding my breath.
What do u mean "we" are growing? Amway didn't make 10B (laugh) from IBO profitable businesses. They made it thru IBO SELF CONSUMPTION, coupled w/ uplines "hosting" fee, literature and convention scams. Like Wall St. said, "how do we know if their growth is right, their private, they can say anything they want". Just like your uplines phony claims. Ask to see their 1099's. Just cause you have a fancy title doesn't mean your making money. Made Emerald status, didn't have retail customers, was susp
I much rather build a team and make money off my friends, than to have a boss looking over your head and milking you for everything your worth, and while the economy goes down Amway goes up, while all the idiots criticizing Amway are being fucked by their boss till they're, Retired, Fired, or dead. Cant stop amways growth it was 2.2B 15 years ago and 10B this year, dont need to go on. We are growing with you, without you, or in spite of you =) Get back to work you should be focusing on ur 401K.
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Ive done Amway, it is hard to sell these products, no one really wants them, or wants to bother with them. And then you have to sell them over and over again each month to the person. It did not work out too well for me. Dont get me wrong i love MLM, but this was tricky, i started with a different MLM company, where i make a sale once and get paid every month - selling services that require monthly payments like Internet, phones etc. Send me an email if you want more info rygaudette@gmail.com:)
@aalpphy: yeah ur baby will spit on ur face coz he/she is/ll hv a looser in parents... broke people always finds reason to be broke.... if u dont hv ablility then shut up... god bless this looser....
People fail because the system itself dooms nearly all participants to failure. MLM is built on an endless chain of recruitment of participants as primary customers. It assumes both infinite markets and virgin markets, neither of which exist. It is therefore inherently flawed, fraudulent, and profitable only for founders and those at or near the top of their respective pyramids of participants. Even with their best efforts, the vast majority will always lose money.
@sbohandley When Amway offers 1500 exclusives and 3 million in affiliate products are you saying thay you couldn't find anyone who washes themselves? Or brushes their teeth? Or eats?If I'm not mistaken eating IS infinite unless of course you wanna shrivel up and die (and theres 300million in the US and 6 billion world wide that eat)...and if the system is fraudulent...(I'm referring only to Amway here).then why are there people who are successful that have been in the business less than 5 years?
@aalphhy U better hope that i do not spit on your face for posting this bullshit! are u even clear with the basic idea of amway business. you are fake yourself!!
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Amway. Mona Vee and million other MLM are nothing but a scam. I asked thousands of people to show me their tax return and show me the real income from MLM, and there is no one who did and ever will . MLM is like a communism, it look great but will destroy you, take all you have and kill you in the end.
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cont. was suspended. Turns out that up to Emerald status, its called a "rebate" check not "profit", so the co. can get around the FTC retail customer rule. Ask Doug Devos and all other Crown/Diamond's to show you THEIR customers. Good luck w/that! Doug is a Paris Hilton trust fund baby. He doesn't care if YOU make money. As long as your consuming his cost prohibitive products. He lives in St. Peter Island. Last I looked, the P @ G and Colgate Palmolive's of the world aren't shaking. Good luck.
TheFishtrap 5 months ago
@TheFishtrap I hit the Emerald Level recently and I have kept very strict book keeping on all out of pocket expenses, (gas, travel time, personal time, product cost, seminars etc.) After my first 8 months in the business I was no longer in the "red". For my own personal knowledge, can you help me out and explain how the " Emerald Status" is a rebate check and not profit?
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Most certainly will. What u don't know is the co. is covering your ass by cutting a deal w/FTC's 70/30 retail customer rule and that is MOST IBOs never get past say 100 bucks, which labels them a "hobbyist" according to FTC. So scammy Rich DeVos got the language changed to "rebate" checks NOT profit checks so as to protect the integrity(laugh) of the co. and IBOs. Once your past Emerald you have to have a certain % of "customers" on board or you don't get tax deductions @ possible susp
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Cont- Don't have this conversation w/upline, they'll just lie to you. Dude, I can tell u so many scammy tricks your upline does to you. Britt/Yeager will just buy a shitload of product 4 people and "show" as customers or dump onto food shelves. Yeager RENTS fancy boats @ cars for fake photo ops, all in the name of selling their recycled literature. You can't make this stuff up. If I could, I'd be living in the South Hamptons w/the Spielberg's of the world. Rich/Dexter-two peas in a pod
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv cont- Skill With People by Les Giblin (Google it), Yager does what the industry calls "reverse engineering" to get around copy right infringement law. His book? People Skills by Dexter Yager. Les wasn't buying it . Courts ordered Amazon/Dexter to cease. He just took skid loads of his book and dumped overseas. What makes u think upline can sell cost prohibitive products? Hypnotizing them? Drugging them? Gunpoint? They can't. That's why they've made all their money in literature.Getaclue
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Unless u want to be scammy like these people-prospect away! knock yourself out! I'll say it till I'm blue in the face. Free open markets r driven by "buyer beware". Why? Because u can sell anything! that's why! I'm outta here. Good luck.
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap Wow a lot said without answering the question. Show me how my business failed, not yours! Obviously you were part of the Britt/ Yager group. Sorry for you. Cant argue with you there. That organization was horrible! Fortunately I do not share your same problems and even after tripling the numbers, " I'm a lying sack of shit" Very comical because I obviously have something to prove to you, right? Well I guess you Win! I fold! Run along now but I'll continue to cash my checks.
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap Ok, gotta love the Mrs.! Check this out. I showed this to her and the reply was, "Fuck him and his website! Invite him to our house along with all of the others failures and we will show him in person!" I think this is a great idea! Ill video the entire meeting showing you checks, 1099's etc whatever you ask for. If I'm lying,I will personally post a video of myself wherever you would like confessing whatever it is you would like me to say. If I'm right, you apologize.
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Eeeeeverybodies got to learn Scamway the hard way. The Mrs is coming just a little more stubborn. She'll learn. Got faith in her.
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap To sweeten the pot, if I'm wrong you can go into my garages and have your pick of vehicles with title in hand. Yep thats right, print this out so you have proof I made this claim. If this meeting happens and you choose to apologize, I will ask permission from you if I can post this video recording on your site! Trying to be respectful. Seems pretty fair to me
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv This isn't about taking FROM you. You have your upline to do that. This is about educating you. Remember, ignorance isn't about being dumb or stupid. It's the lack of information. You can learn a lot from our 18 former Diamonds who had the ba... to dump their loserness onto Dateline. Take advantage of it and save yourself A LOT of hard ache.
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap Thats what I thought. I have made this offer several times and still no takers. I got to one point where a gentleman and his wife said they were coming. I had local authorities on standby just so they felt safe and my family as well. After all we were strangers. Also local news crew but once again a no show. So sorry you did not succeed. The offer always stands. Hey if you're right, it'll be the fastest 100k you've ever made. Take care. I wish you the best of luck in life.
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv So your having a meeting. So what. I've had many. How is your offer relevant? What? Anyway, My offer stands permanently 4 YEARS because no one can claim it. If you or anybody reading this post wants to post their 1099 and/or outrageous profit check claims on my YouTube "public 24/7" address can do so. In fact, I'll give you one year from this date, 11-7-12 to post. Go get em tiger! clock is ticking. And no... YOU take care and best of luck to YOU. Your the one needing it. I'm good.
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap Once again you have beat around the bush. You're pretty good at avoiding things. How is my offer relevant, well , you want 1099 and i want to give them to you in person and broadcast the entire meeting with YOU on a news program plus offer you a huge payout if you're correct! Forget you tube and lets stop speaking through posts! I'm actually agreeing to your terms and going even further. If you're so confident, you can prove to the world you're correct and also have my 1099
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap What does you having many meetings have anything to do with the one I'm proposing to you. One meeting one time! Whats the problem! If i post my 1099, I can tell just by the way you speak, you're next claim will be that they are fake or touched up somehow. Or that my checks aren't real. My way, you'll see and touch them and I will give you access to a computer so you can post up MY 1099 right in front of me! Sorry if you can't comprehend. I can't type any slower.
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv OK. your smart enough to hop on the Internet where u can be anybody u want, hence, the ongoing outrageous claims by IBO wannabees. I'm confident you can take a photo of your last three paychecks along w/last years 1099 that u had to report to the IRS and post on YouTube. Your having a tough time w/this simple concept because why? Or is it the reason that we all suspect from you smoke and mirror people?
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap For the love of God... Im asking you to go national with this! Im agreeing with you! Im agreeing with you! One more time, I'm......AGREEING... with... you! You are 100% CORRECT, on the internet, you can be anyone you want, but in person with a news crew! No smoke and mirrors, just a hand shake between live human beings. Posting up my checks will not satisfy your personality nor mine! You will claim they're fake and I personally would like to look you in the eyes
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Already went national. On Dateline, in prime time. Biggest shit ass grins on our faces. Their phony PR dept was scrambling like little girls. It was a beautiful thing. Been there, done that. Your late to the party with your same crap. The industry has already moved on (yawn). You look like a trick or treater showing up at one in the morning. Kind of embarrassing don't you think?
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap You have done everything but allow me to accept your offer of posting my 1099. I WILL DO THAT FOR YOU. Also my checks as well but why won't you don it sitting next to me? I'm agreeing to your terms but what do I get in return?
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv You can accept anything u want. Post away! Aren't u an INDEPENDENT business owner (IBO)? Than act like one. How old are you? Sitting next to me? What r u gay? Have u taken your medication today?
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Whats this have to do w/one's personality? What? Dude, you just get goofier by the hour.
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap I have a question for you, are you an asshole? With all do respect, its a yes or no question. Let's see if you can answer that. I saw the Dateline Program and once again I will AGREE with you. What happened to those people was horrible. Once again I'm talking about today, current time as we speak. WOULD YOU MEET ME IN PERSON! Please dont respond with useless statistics and insults! Its a simple yes or no. I'll put it on a piece of paper and ask you to circle one
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Nope. Just an honest business person who, along w/a group of others tried to "right" a once great industry that still spews its B.S. to this day. But thanx 4 asking. Meet you in person? And what would this accomplish? Pacify your obvious self esteem issues? News flash 4 you: The free open markets doesn't care about your self esteem nor is it a talent contest. Put it on a piece of paper? Didn't u just contradict your own "insults" accusation? You just flat out need to read more.
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap Wow the gay card! Not that there is anything wrong with that but your pretty shallow. Married, two children and living a beautiful blessed life. Anyway back to the beaten path which you so well stray from. Got two Diamonds in my downline who will also post their 1099 on your site like you asked. If you're right they each throw in 100k as well. Thats 300k! Pretty good deal for you. Anytime you're ready
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Let me see if I can help u w/your self esteem issues regarding your obsession with the "physical" parts of me. If u sit next to me, I've been told It's pleasant from people, whatever that means. Also, wanting to look into my eyes (whatever), I've been told their "pretty blue". Hope that helps. Ah, no, Haven't strayed at all from beaten path. On the contrary. Simply continuing to call u people on the rug w/your constant ongoing claims. And no, Not interested in taking scammy tool scam
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv cont- money from sleazy Diamonds self serving agendas. That's why our 18 Dia. left. However, we've been told from co. that about an embarrassing 2% renewed their mem. Might want to try them.
P.S. Still waiting for those fairy tale posts. Waiting... waiting... waiting...
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap Ok clearly we're not getting anywhere and you keep bringing up this "gay" talk which has taught me a valuable lesson. I now know I'm dealing with a guy when this entire time I thought I was talking to a bitch. My apologies. You clearly love to debate which is a wonderful trait but see what you can do about those bitch tendencies you have acquired. Lets argue now. Cant wait to read your reply. This is becoming quite amusing. Speak soon
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv WE'RE not getting anywhere? Speak 4 yourself. I'm getting somewhere just fine by continuing to prove your false claims (posts?, anybody? anybody?). Keep bringing up this "gay" talk. Ah, no, brought it up once. Check previous posts. Only because it seemed like a good question because of your obsession w/me physically. Or was that just a lame attempt to be a hard ass because you have no income posts to speak of? Thought I was talking to a bitch? Jeez, I'd hate to be your wife. cont-
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv cont- My apologies to her! Love to debate? Ah, no, just replying to a public post forum like anybody else. If you choose to stop responding your debate accusations will end. Wonderful trait? Thanks! I guess. Bitch tendencies you have acquired? Again, your wife(pity look on face). I guess if posting facts and logic denotes "acquired", I'll take that. Lets argue now?(see last sentence). Can't wait? Why thank u for interest! You failing at defending your "bus" opp does seem amusing.Iagree
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap you're great! more more! lets see... what else can I say to trigger your anger hmmmmm. Wait, so you were emerald and lost it or left it or whatever your claim may be? tell me about your failure or how you were scammed. you're an honest business person just trying to warn everyone. good for you. you're doing great! my wife was upset but accepts your apology.(see first sent of last post) no hard feelings. stop responding,never! retired 7 yrs prior to Amway. this is amusing
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Trigger your anger? Your flattering yourself. Just responding to your senseless posts. Yes, was an Emerald. No, didn't lose anything. Yes, all 18 resigned after YOUR upline didn't want us to fix the co. crappy image by making the tools money fair and equitable to YOUR downline like the products ( silly us, what were we thinking wanting to be fair). Had no failure or scammed. Tried to get rid OF the scam. Good for you, you're doing great? Oh gee, thanks Dad. -cont
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv cont-Wife was upset w/you but accepts my apology.Your welcome. Might want to thank her for forgiving you. No hard feelings? Never was "doing" feelings. Can't help u there. remember earlier post lesson- free, open markets doesn't care about your "feelings" or self esteem. Retired 7 yrs prior to Amway? And your point being what? What is that relevant to? Thanx 4 sharing anyway... I guess. This is amusing? Than why r u in it?
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap So technical how you break down my entire post. Amazing! Very detailed. Try this one. Its Saturday and its about 80 degrees out. Im gonna go for a ride and listen to an audio that I paid $7 for!! I know, I know, way too much money! Hopefully I can afford to get gas today after that purchase. Anyway after that I'll hit the marina and see whats going on there. Ok lets make a u turn, Amway is the best business in the world. Totally off subject but gave you more to break down!
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Can u get any more juvenile? And u call yourself a business owner? Really? Ya know, our congress is trying to get more relief to small business owners to grow the economy/jobs. Call me crazy but my common sense is going to go out on a limb here and think that they didn't have someone like you in mind. No... ya think?
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap CONT- that means continued from last post. Remember that. Ok well enjoy! I'll respond after you. Oh and you mentioned no failure or scam, so are you still and Emerald and are you still getting paid? This should be good
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Still an Emerald according to the co. Imagine that, they keep trying to suck up to us to keep us around like some sort of hologram. Think maybe their feeling a little guilty about something? No.... They also do it to show better phony numbers. What a shock. I gave them direct deposit instructions for the dwindling residual checks to go to charity of my choice. They even wanted to control choice ( shaking head).
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap Oh and after you break that down, here is a simple one. You keep mentioning "scammy tools." How much was your group getting charged for tools?
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv The top Crowns who centralize the tools money ( because they think they own free speech?) determine price. Last I heard the average organization payed forty a month. I know some sleazy Diamonds that sucker their down line upwards of 95 dollars a month in online "hosting fees" (LOL). Now that's taking the scam to a whole new creative level. There's an idea for ya! Charge that to your down line diamonds. Or was that another one of your fantasies?
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@TheFishtrap Not gonna be bothered reading the first two posts but did finally get some numbers. $40 a month is still high. My team is around $25 to $30 tops. Even at $40, in one year thats still less than a decent bottle of wine. Hosting fees??? Never heard of such a thing. Man, the older Diamonds really did screw some people and ruin this business. I have Emeralds in my downline that never even purchased a tool. As a team we have always passed it down.
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv So it sounds like tools scam is still ruining. Your containing it within group? hard to believe. If so, Older Diamonds WILL find out and terminate memberships. Their still doing it. Beware. You have to give your timid gun shy prospects fresh start. Just read the top comments above this one. "Even a new born baby will spit on your face if you say Amway". Pretty much says it all.
TheFishtrap 3 months ago
@TheFishtrap I see where you're coming from. Not sure about the hosting fee. Most people wouldn't pay that but really if you break it down, $40/ month and $95/ month is till only $1620/year. Not a lot of money but its not right if this was being stolen from people. Obviously we are experiencing different practices in this business. Not sure I would've been involved if I had to deal with the things you did. If it happens to me, I'm out but so far its been a good thing.
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv If u do go out, now is the time. The former 18 Dia. partnered w/new billion dollar brand name with huge migration going on not just from yours but from all big co. names in this industry. Their group is best to get in under because of huge names( former CEO of walmart, pro athletes, other brand names), that give an opp. that your downline @ prospects will want to do not to mention huge spill for them. Also, just announced last Thurs that the Billionaire acquired a 30 country -cont
TheFishtrap 3 months ago
@mpb4u2nv cont- global co. that will blow the doors off this industry. It WILL be biggest-some competitors have already conceded. FYI
I can e mail u sites and decide for self. I've sent dozens there and every single person joined EVERY. ONE. You'll know why. Other than that, I'm signing off on this ongoing conversation. Good luck with your future endeavors.
TheFishtrap 3 months ago
@TheFishtrap Post up the sites. Ill take a look. If what you're saying is true then its a possibility for the future but as of now its just too profitable to walk away from. I would like to read about it though
mpb4u2nv 3 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Their having private teleconf tonight 11-15, w/billionaire on the launch of new site that will have 20 country merger co. along w/their internal group(DSP) site to be launched. Since I chose to wait until merger was completed, teleconf is only for founders but just got private e mail as to when I can listen to recorded teleconf. Keep u posted on giving sites. Later
TheFishtrap 3 months ago
@TheFishtrap Maybe this will help...my books are to the penny but here it is rounded up. Meetings 2x a month,$200 per month(gas,travel, my time). 2 seminars a year $2000 x2 (my wife likes to shop). $400 a month on personal product. Support material $30 to $50 a month, lets use $50. Thats $11,800 a year. Assume I'm wrong and triple that, $35,400. My Q 12 bonus is half of that, that doesn't include platinum, ruby, sapphire bonus nor my monthly income. Already in the plus without my Emerald!
mpb4u2nv 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv What a lying sack of shit! I had everything you stated and even a further status then Emerald. I posted my 1099's and wimpy "rebate" checks to my downline to show what a scam it was. Doug DeVos doesn't like us because he's allergic to transparency. Post your 1099! post your big bad (laugh) bonuses. Funny, people like you along w/the phony Britt/Yeager's never have Hm... STOP! Stop your phony claims and charades. Your beyond embarrassing yourself! The P @ G and Colgate's aren't shaking.
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
@mpb4u2nv We've set up a web site to help people (suckers) like you to de-program yourself. Google the phrase Quixtar Business Analysis. Make sure there's nothing around you that you can break. Remember, my YouTube address is open 24/7 for you fakes to post your "profits". I won't be holding my breath.
TheFishtrap 4 months ago
What do u mean "we" are growing? Amway didn't make 10B (laugh) from IBO profitable businesses. They made it thru IBO SELF CONSUMPTION, coupled w/ uplines "hosting" fee, literature and convention scams. Like Wall St. said, "how do we know if their growth is right, their private, they can say anything they want". Just like your uplines phony claims. Ask to see their 1099's. Just cause you have a fancy title doesn't mean your making money. Made Emerald status, didn't have retail customers, was susp
TheFishtrap 5 months ago
I much rather build a team and make money off my friends, than to have a boss looking over your head and milking you for everything your worth, and while the economy goes down Amway goes up, while all the idiots criticizing Amway are being fucked by their boss till they're, Retired, Fired, or dead. Cant stop amways growth it was 2.2B 15 years ago and 10B this year, dont need to go on. We are growing with you, without you, or in spite of you =) Get back to work you should be focusing on ur 401K.
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diewahrheitistnochda 5 months ago
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Rudra648 5 months ago
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TheACNRyan 9 months ago
What does this video have anything to do with Amway?????
jonesytube03 9 months ago
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TheOktim 1 year ago
@aalpphy: yeah ur baby will spit on ur face coz he/she is/ll hv a looser in parents... broke people always finds reason to be broke.... if u dont hv ablility then shut up... god bless this looser....
ninju159 1 year ago
People fail because the system itself dooms nearly all participants to failure. MLM is built on an endless chain of recruitment of participants as primary customers. It assumes both infinite markets and virgin markets, neither of which exist. It is therefore inherently flawed, fraudulent, and profitable only for founders and those at or near the top of their respective pyramids of participants. Even with their best efforts, the vast majority will always lose money.
sbohandley 1 year ago
@sbohandley When Amway offers 1500 exclusives and 3 million in affiliate products are you saying thay you couldn't find anyone who washes themselves? Or brushes their teeth? Or eats?If I'm not mistaken eating IS infinite unless of course you wanna shrivel up and die (and theres 300million in the US and 6 billion world wide that eat)...and if the system is fraudulent...(I'm referring only to Amway here).then why are there people who are successful that have been in the business less than 5 years?
jonesytube03 9 months ago
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Mashakim100 1 year ago
YOU PEOPLE CAN TALK STUPID STOP REPEATING YOU HEAR LIKE PARROTS
Mashakim100 1 year ago
aalphhy = moron.LOL!
ascc6363 1 year ago
too bad the site is gone now???!!
amberlynn11221 1 year ago
I suggest saving yourself regrets by checking with beforeyoujoin. org first.
VinaAhrens 1 year ago 5
its all scam, This is a fake stuff... Amway? Even a new born baby will spit on your face if you say "Amway"
aalphhy 1 year ago 6
@aalphhy U better hope that i do not spit on your face for posting this bullshit! are u even clear with the basic idea of amway business. you are fake yourself!!
Rudra648 5 months ago