"It must be frustrating for motorists to watch, but that's no excuse for bad behaviour." ON BOTH PARTIES you have to see, again it could of been diffused by you. And your last comment, should you not wait either if the way is temporarily blocked ? for your own safety and a measely few seconds on your journey ?
... And if you just sat behind that bus and let it move off, as you could clearly see that to get past it would cause you a problem, we'd all be cool and it wouldn't of esculated, AGAIN, a little courteousy instead of ME ME ME does wonders, it aint about who's got right of way either, its about calming the roads for all, you dont help that !!
Modern road design in cities now gives first priority to cyclists at junctions, allowing the cyclist to wait in front of traffic. Drivers need to be patient and if it's not safe to squeeze by, then wait. The average speed of a bicycle in the city is often higher than motor traffic as the cyclist can bypass the queues, by design. It must be frustrating for motorists to watch, but that's no excuse for bad behaviour.
Priority is only given at some junctions not at all junctions, perhaps this is where so many cyclists get hurt, they ASSUME they have priority at all junctions and can undertake where they like & yes drivers need to be patient as do cyclists, give other vehicles room to manouvre ,use common sense & not break the law.
I still dont get you, you place all this risk VOLUNTARILY on yourself, again, no hazard perception or even care, have the front to get this on telly whinging at cars/buses/anything not a bike, you or that camera wont be no good under the wheels, you do nothing for the "look out for bikes" campaign, NOTHING.
Yes, there are risks on the road and traffic jams are getting longer. One sure way to add to the queuing traffic is to intimidate cyclists back into their cars. Remember each cyclist may reduce the length of the traffic jam by 1 car. How about encouraging people to cycle so that everyone can get where they're going more quickly on crowded city streets? Motorists would move more freely if some drivers chose to cycle.
Cambridge's Mill Rd Coleridge Rd Junction. 44 Tonne Artic waiting at lights going up Mill Rd, 24" short of stop line,RHS tyres approx 14" off the white centre line = LHS tyres maybe 8" off kerb.Not enough room for cyclists in front NO ASL no room to overtake or undertake,Truck 110%ligitimately positioned.3 cyclists, wheels on road push with left foot on path down 8" gap pass LGV & sit on pedestrian crossing, and you say "Drivers need to be patient and if it's not safe to squeeze by" Cyclists???
The manuver at the lights made by you was bloody dangerous and it put you at risk, however the bus driver drove dangerously close to you, and i believe that was on purpose.
He had absolutely no need (or right) to use that cycle lane at all. I've driven HGVs along that very route, and there is plenty of width, even at junctions.
He just doesn't know the law OR how to drive his vehicle safely.
Moving to the front of the queue up the cycle lane is what it's put there for, and the coach driver is committing an offence by partially blocking it, and then compounding it by using his vehicle as a weapon to intimidate the cyclist for using the cycle lane as designed.
I'd use the same method again in similar circumstances where the lights have only just gone red. Not keen on breathing diesel fumes in a traffic queue or being in between vehicles when lights change. Off camera the cyclist had travelled twice the distance of the bus in the previous km due to traffic jam. Leap frogging seems inevitable in stop start traffic if riding in cycle lanes. The high risk event was how coach overtook cyclist.
Ismike: on balance as things worked out in this film, I think you're right. If your method is generally better, then it does bring into question why ASLs are there at all! My understanding is that part of the logic of ASLs is placing cyclists where they can be seen.
I think ASLs are mostly for the benefit of cyclists wishing to turn left. You can position yourself in front of the coach where it can't overtake, and then you can safely turn left without being squeezed into the corner.
I fail to see the point of using them if you're going straight on. What you've done is rushed to overtake the coach at the lights, only for it to overtake you immediately after
If a car had done the same to you, you'd be have posted it here as an example of bad driving!
I'm with panticle. You didn't gain any useful time by going to the ASL, and you put yourself at considerably more risk. It's usually better, safer, and causes less conflict to wait one or two vehicles back at the traffic lights, in the middle of the whole lane. That way they're not in a rush to push past you, and you can make it across the junction safely.
panticle: I can see the merit of what you say but the cyclist chooses to use the mandatory cycle lane to gain access to the advanced stop lane. Part of the process of deciding whether to do this is indeed to considering the risks: if the bus moves early, there is an escape route for the cyclist to push off the bus onto the verge. The road build-out doesn't help anybody.
Yeah, that's crap bus driving. But also bad cycling. Going down the inside of a long vehicle like that is stupid, especially one so close to the kerb, and at lights where it might be about to move off. Please people, don't do it. Better to let a vehicle like that stay ahead of you, and get away from you, than get in front of it like that and end up leap frogging. For best practice in the UK, read 'Cyclecraft' by John Franklin, and learn about primary and secondary position...
whats up with buses anyways, they really seem to try and intimidate cyclists, i had one today that cut me off worse than that, luckily i have an ebike capable of doing 50 km per hour so blew right by him giving him the finger
Yes, I agree with cosybike. I think the videos are great, but sometimes I wonder if you're putting your safety in jeopardy in order to make the viewer aware of that danger.
Don't end up getting hurt just for the sake of a good video.
This is one situation where a helmet cam would have been useful: when I looked back towards the coach driver at the lights and gestured politely to say keep back (out of the cycle lane), he gave me the finger(!) in front of all the school children. The driver then emphasises his attitude by his style of passing the cyclist. Was this deliberate intimidation?
Breath in the fumes, fucking cyclists
labyonnette 2 months ago
i agree
iib8903 2 years ago
The UK Highway Code is clear on this, the bus driver was at fault. Need more Plod and on the spot fines.
Overtaking:
139 more room for cyclists.
Motorists and cyclists:
188 more room for cyclists,
189 more room for cyclists.
There is no doubt!
FreeRadical57 4 years ago
The Highway Code can be found online
Google highway code uk
The rule numbers have changed, my most recent HWC is 2000, but the rules have not altered in substance.
FreeRadical57 4 years ago
Clearly the bus driver was at fault! I bet that the real problem is that the bus driver is working against the clock.
Speed limits for motorised vehicles need to be reduced in town to 20 mph. With MORE speed cameras and traffic police and heavier fines.
FreeRadical57 4 years ago
"It must be frustrating for motorists to watch, but that's no excuse for bad behaviour." ON BOTH PARTIES you have to see, again it could of been diffused by you. And your last comment, should you not wait either if the way is temporarily blocked ? for your own safety and a measely few seconds on your journey ?
leewink 4 years ago 2
... And if you just sat behind that bus and let it move off, as you could clearly see that to get past it would cause you a problem, we'd all be cool and it wouldn't of esculated, AGAIN, a little courteousy instead of ME ME ME does wonders, it aint about who's got right of way either, its about calming the roads for all, you dont help that !!
leewink 4 years ago 2
Modern road design in cities now gives first priority to cyclists at junctions, allowing the cyclist to wait in front of traffic. Drivers need to be patient and if it's not safe to squeeze by, then wait. The average speed of a bicycle in the city is often higher than motor traffic as the cyclist can bypass the queues, by design. It must be frustrating for motorists to watch, but that's no excuse for bad behaviour.
mailpauljonescouk 4 years ago
Priority is only given at some junctions not at all junctions, perhaps this is where so many cyclists get hurt, they ASSUME they have priority at all junctions and can undertake where they like & yes drivers need to be patient as do cyclists, give other vehicles room to manouvre ,use common sense & not break the law.
mixxyuk 4 years ago 3
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mackayd 1 year ago
I still dont get you, you place all this risk VOLUNTARILY on yourself, again, no hazard perception or even care, have the front to get this on telly whinging at cars/buses/anything not a bike, you or that camera wont be no good under the wheels, you do nothing for the "look out for bikes" campaign, NOTHING.
leewink 4 years ago
Yes, there are risks on the road and traffic jams are getting longer. One sure way to add to the queuing traffic is to intimidate cyclists back into their cars. Remember each cyclist may reduce the length of the traffic jam by 1 car. How about encouraging people to cycle so that everyone can get where they're going more quickly on crowded city streets? Motorists would move more freely if some drivers chose to cycle.
mailpauljonescouk 4 years ago
Cambridge's Mill Rd Coleridge Rd Junction. 44 Tonne Artic waiting at lights going up Mill Rd, 24" short of stop line,RHS tyres approx 14" off the white centre line = LHS tyres maybe 8" off kerb.Not enough room for cyclists in front NO ASL no room to overtake or undertake,Truck 110%ligitimately positioned.3 cyclists, wheels on road push with left foot on path down 8" gap pass LGV & sit on pedestrian crossing, and you say "Drivers need to be patient and if it's not safe to squeeze by" Cyclists???
arniecommando 3 years ago
The manuver at the lights made by you was bloody dangerous and it put you at risk, however the bus driver drove dangerously close to you, and i believe that was on purpose.
talisman01 4 years ago 2
Agree.
WannabeCPH 4 years ago
And the cyclist went by, used the ASL, but the driver of the bus then carried out an assault. Hope the poloce watch these evidential documents!
mortones2 4 years ago
the bus was very large and as you could see it had to use the cycle lane
carlislefan1 4 years ago
He had absolutely no need (or right) to use that cycle lane at all. I've driven HGVs along that very route, and there is plenty of width, even at junctions.
He just doesn't know the law OR how to drive his vehicle safely.
Moving to the front of the queue up the cycle lane is what it's put there for, and the coach driver is committing an offence by partially blocking it, and then compounding it by using his vehicle as a weapon to intimidate the cyclist for using the cycle lane as designed.
Camsplint 3 years ago
I'd use the same method again in similar circumstances where the lights have only just gone red. Not keen on breathing diesel fumes in a traffic queue or being in between vehicles when lights change. Off camera the cyclist had travelled twice the distance of the bus in the previous km due to traffic jam. Leap frogging seems inevitable in stop start traffic if riding in cycle lanes. The high risk event was how coach overtook cyclist.
mailpauljonescouk 4 years ago
Ismike: on balance as things worked out in this film, I think you're right. If your method is generally better, then it does bring into question why ASLs are there at all! My understanding is that part of the logic of ASLs is placing cyclists where they can be seen.
mailpauljonescouk 4 years ago
I think ASLs are mostly for the benefit of cyclists wishing to turn left. You can position yourself in front of the coach where it can't overtake, and then you can safely turn left without being squeezed into the corner.
I fail to see the point of using them if you're going straight on. What you've done is rushed to overtake the coach at the lights, only for it to overtake you immediately after
If a car had done the same to you, you'd be have posted it here as an example of bad driving!
wigglysaddle 2 years ago
I'm with panticle. You didn't gain any useful time by going to the ASL, and you put yourself at considerably more risk. It's usually better, safer, and causes less conflict to wait one or two vehicles back at the traffic lights, in the middle of the whole lane. That way they're not in a rush to push past you, and you can make it across the junction safely.
I'll second the read Cyclecraft recommendation.
lsmike 4 years ago
panticle: I can see the merit of what you say but the cyclist chooses to use the mandatory cycle lane to gain access to the advanced stop lane. Part of the process of deciding whether to do this is indeed to considering the risks: if the bus moves early, there is an escape route for the cyclist to push off the bus onto the verge. The road build-out doesn't help anybody.
mailpauljonescouk 4 years ago
Yeah, that's crap bus driving. But also bad cycling. Going down the inside of a long vehicle like that is stupid, especially one so close to the kerb, and at lights where it might be about to move off. Please people, don't do it. Better to let a vehicle like that stay ahead of you, and get away from you, than get in front of it like that and end up leap frogging. For best practice in the UK, read 'Cyclecraft' by John Franklin, and learn about primary and secondary position...
Panticle 4 years ago
whats up with buses anyways, they really seem to try and intimidate cyclists, i had one today that cut me off worse than that, luckily i have an ebike capable of doing 50 km per hour so blew right by him giving him the finger
moviedude111 4 years ago
And to get your revenge, you breached all your road safety principles and cycled in front of him. Well done, you truly are a petty individual
chalkus 4 years ago
This is why I hate cycle lanes!
nickperry68 4 years ago
You be careful! I would have stopped behind the bus and probably not used the cycle lane until there was a safe passing opportunity for the bus.
Keep shooting, just don't get yourself killed.
cosybike 4 years ago
Yes, I agree with cosybike. I think the videos are great, but sometimes I wonder if you're putting your safety in jeopardy in order to make the viewer aware of that danger.
Don't end up getting hurt just for the sake of a good video.
wigglysaddle 2 years ago
*Grinz* well done bus driver!!!!
xenmiaUK 5 years ago
This is one situation where a helmet cam would have been useful: when I looked back towards the coach driver at the lights and gestured politely to say keep back (out of the cycle lane), he gave me the finger(!) in front of all the school children. The driver then emphasises his attitude by his style of passing the cyclist. Was this deliberate intimidation?
mailpauljonescouk 5 years ago