Thank you for this bit of History I had not studied the 1945-49 Korea. I knew the Communist were completing there conquest of China at the Time which is why I think the Korean war didnt start until june of 1950. Mot of my focus during this time period was he indo china war 1945-54
What year was this documentary made? Because now it's almost proven that they (stalin and Kim Il Sung) did discuss invasion of South Korea. And finally Stalin yielded to Kim Il Sung's requests...
@Lachausis This documentary is from 1988, a few years before the old Soviet archives opened. Even in this documentary they allude to the fact that the two spoke of an attack on the south. I don't think it was that much of a secret by 1988, but the documentation was not available just yet. The controversial issue was whether the attack on SK was a "plot hatched by the USSR" (ie, forced on NK by Stalin), as alleged in histories written about the Korean War in the west. Clearly, Kim wanted it.
It was a mutiny and then it dissipated into a massacre. The Jeju Island Uprising had 25,000 to 60,000 people killed. Girls were gang-raped before executed, children were being slaughtered like pigs... Tell me, how is this not a massacre?
@shiron236 Well, if you throw in the Cheju Island uprising with it, then that changes the definition!
We were talking about the "Yeo-Sun Incident", as it is called in S. Korea, NOT the Cheju Island uprising. The two are linked, but are still separated by time and geography.
@mlovmo I was just merely using it as an example to display the incompetence and crudeness of South Korean soldiers back then. It's more than likely that it happened at Yeosu as well.
Oh, this is off-topic, but I was also born at Yeosu.
@ykim8149 Okay. I suppose from the viewpoint of those involved, they might have not wanted themselves to be called mutineers or rebels. If it wasn't a 폭동, rebellion, or mutiny, what should it be called? Perhaps just an incident or 사건?
You know, I've thought about this, and I think calling it a "mutiny" is not totally inaccurate. They were members of the military. When soldiers don't follow orders, it's called mutiny. That's the technical term. The government's reaction (the executions of those involved) wasn't totally unexpected, I'm sure. If soldiers in most other countries around the world had done that at that time, the result would probably have been the same.
Thank you for this bit of History I had not studied the 1945-49 Korea. I knew the Communist were completing there conquest of China at the Time which is why I think the Korean war didnt start until june of 1950. Mot of my focus during this time period was he indo china war 1945-54
sass225 1 month ago
What year was this documentary made? Because now it's almost proven that they (stalin and Kim Il Sung) did discuss invasion of South Korea. And finally Stalin yielded to Kim Il Sung's requests...
Lachausis 3 months ago
@Lachausis This documentary is from 1988, a few years before the old Soviet archives opened. Even in this documentary they allude to the fact that the two spoke of an attack on the south. I don't think it was that much of a secret by 1988, but the documentation was not available just yet. The controversial issue was whether the attack on SK was a "plot hatched by the USSR" (ie, forced on NK by Stalin), as alleged in histories written about the Korean War in the west. Clearly, Kim wanted it.
mlovmo 3 months ago
@mlovmo Ah, 1988 explains a lot.
Lachausis 3 months ago
It was a mutiny and then it dissipated into a massacre. The Jeju Island Uprising had 25,000 to 60,000 people killed. Girls were gang-raped before executed, children were being slaughtered like pigs... Tell me, how is this not a massacre?
shiron236 10 months ago
@shiron236 Well, if you throw in the Cheju Island uprising with it, then that changes the definition!
We were talking about the "Yeo-Sun Incident", as it is called in S. Korea, NOT the Cheju Island uprising. The two are linked, but are still separated by time and geography.
mlovmo 10 months ago
@mlovmo I was just merely using it as an example to display the incompetence and crudeness of South Korean soldiers back then. It's more than likely that it happened at Yeosu as well.
Oh, this is off-topic, but I was also born at Yeosu.
shiron236 9 months ago
its not a rebellion. this is just fucked up to explain it as mutiny.
ykim8149 1 year ago
@ykim8149 Okay. I suppose from the viewpoint of those involved, they might have not wanted themselves to be called mutineers or rebels. If it wasn't a 폭동, rebellion, or mutiny, what should it be called? Perhaps just an incident or 사건?
mlovmo 1 year ago
@mlovmo it was a massacre. simple as that.
ykim8149 1 year ago
@ykim8149
You know, I've thought about this, and I think calling it a "mutiny" is not totally inaccurate. They were members of the military. When soldiers don't follow orders, it's called mutiny. That's the technical term. The government's reaction (the executions of those involved) wasn't totally unexpected, I'm sure. If soldiers in most other countries around the world had done that at that time, the result would probably have been the same.
mlovmo 11 months ago