At least one bullshit sensationalist factoid in this documentary: Stalin never actually said "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"; it's repeated often but a little digging should show that it's a misattributed quote. The author of that statement was a German novelist. It's something I can see coming out of Stalin's mouth - but in fact the connection is pure mythology.
Comrade Stalin was the greatest lider of centrury 20. He totally rocks!! For him the UNion Soviet gets the most powerful in the world, free the proletariat get development and progress. Yes Comrade Stalin we follow you!! Long live your nobel memory of glory and sacrifice for the PEOPLE!! Long libveour Boivarian Stalinist Reovlusion!!!
@JozyKnows ...exactly...and also the massacres in china by the communist government under mao....but god forbid we are not indoctrinated by the persecution of the poor jews who are now committing mass genocide in palestine
@JozyKnows ...Thats a terrible thingto say, yes there are some extremists out there who are muslim but what has the average palestinian done ....they are being terrorized in their own land yet they are being called the terrorist for defending themselves against the USA funded IDF...please educate yourself about the plight of the palestinians...and thats not against jews and muslims its against zionists and arabs, there are christians who live in palestine
Russian and Chinese totalitarianism were barbaric and cruel.Millions risked their lives fleding their homeland to the western power. Anyone who condem western power as barbaric are total ignorant and utmost stupid.Common sense.Why western power try numerous times to curtail immigration from nations who condem them as barbaric and their poor and helpless people are so eager to get in the "totalitarian" western world ?
@larryman117 Your notion of time is a little senile. Those countries you're talking about are vassals of the West. So you ask why people are fleeing their homelands? The answer is quite simple: capitalism. They didn't flee much when communism was still around, but now that the system is gone, the floodgates are open.
@buzzhawk I'm living right now in a former Eastern Bloc country, and you know, when communism was here, people weren't allowed to leave. Many of them wanted to, since they were subject to arbitrary arrest and even torture and death. They lived in fear of the secret police. There is no comparison between the literal, physical oppression that occurs under communism wherever it is practised, and the alleged "oppression" that occurs in the West.
@caveofprogramming Well, I live in one too. Up to a point, the system offered new opportunities to people from rather humble backgrounds. Its main problems were the lack of democratic decision making and beaurocracy. This lack of democracy led to the secret police and what eventually became its collapse. Its premises are true, especially when we're talking about the situation we're in today because of capitalism, and how the transition went in the last 23 years.
@caveofprogramming People's desire to leave or not wasn't because of the fear of secret police as you put it, or fear of physical torture. Things had changed considerably starting with the late 50's when it comes to that. People wanted a change in their condition when it became worse and worse after the late 70's. The beaurocracy's answer to become mechanically involved in propaganda, and, when things spilled over, repression. This instead of allowing democracy.
@buzzhawk Very interesting! Well, I hear different things from people here, depending on whether they or their relatives were or were not in the communist party, and whether they were or weren't educated or wealthy (and hence persecuted) .... There is a lack of true democracy maybe, but at least we have far more democracy than countries enjoy under communism.
@caveofprogramming It put out theory designed to maintain the status quo and its privileges, instead of allowing discussion and be involved in honest debates about the direction in which the system was going. This runs against the very basics of Marxism. Things are really simple when you take them out of context. I think this is dangerous because it legitimises the lack of democracy we're experiencing right now. I can't help but notice the similarities between 1989 and today.
@crapfacejoe, thank u for that comment. People turn a blind eye to the 6 million people killed by the CIA alone not counting others killed by the rest of the u.s.
I hope we will make documentaries some day documenting the the 10s of millions of deaths caused directly by western powers led by the U.S.A and it's barbaric leaders.
@crapfacejoe and yet they still believe they are the best people in the world...even in their commercials we get in Canada... they proclaim themselves as the most superior nation in the world etc... the best country in the world with the best army and the cockiest and dumbest variety of people..slack jawed accents...the cajuns are the unwanted newfies from Canada.....how many accents do you need??
Nowadays we put the people who use drugs, alcoholics etc. in a special building which just isolates them from the outside world and make their mind go crazy and let them commit suicide.
Stalin learned his people what is wrong and what is right and if you disobeyed you got punished and in some cases, if you disobeyed and disrespected, you even can be killed.
My opinion is that Stalin was a great man!
i'd rather live in a socialist/communist country then in a capitalist country!
@234jari234 you wouldnt rather be killed, if you wantd to be dead so bad rather than live in your corrupt society you wouldve killed yourself a long time ago, stop being so dramatic and be happy you have the freedom of speech more than stalin ever gave anyone
@STATiSofVITALETHICS I may have freedom of speech but does our goverment care? .. i don't think so!
There are thousends of people out there that would die to get a job, Lenin and Stalin did that they brought work to the people and took care of it unlike these corrupt politics by saying nice and kid words but not doing a single fucking thing.
@234jari234 if you want things done take action like stalin did, but you dont have to murder millions, i don tcare how many jobs he craeted what good is that when half the population is dead
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Stalin did thing the way he did because he was afraid of a war with Germany, that's why the industrialization that took 100 years in the West, had to take 10 years in Russia. If you consider that it was a huge and backward country, it's not surprising that so much coercion was needed to coordinate the process. In the end, Stalin's terror saved YOUR hairy ass from the Nazis. You're just a pussy who doesn't know history so just shut the fuck up.
@STATiSofVITALETHICS If Russians are your people and Hitler would have won the war then yes, your hairy ass would be in trouble. If it had been born at all, that is. And changes and growth always involve pain, when changes are so great and fast as in Stalin's Russia, pain is great too. In the end, there were more people who profited from the Stalinist regime than those who suffered from it, just read Richard Overy. Great British historian.
@ElenaXVI what percentage of poor and middle class versus the percentage of higher class population were forced to work (malnourished and not cared for)?
@STATiSofVITALETHICS When a country capitalizes labor is harsh. If you consider that huge backward Russia had to make 100 years of progress in time in 10 years, then yes, the working conditions were pretty crappy because the capital went to strengthening the country and the military rather than to the consumer goods.
Was it justified? I think it was. Because without it, the USSR wouldn't be strong enough to defeat Hitler and we would be in much greater trouble.
@ElenaXVI what does scrolling down have to do with pride? get the fuck outta here with that bullshit, stop being a pussy and learn to read the first time
Anyway, I find it funny how you're the one asking the questions and I'm the one giving facts and citing historians. Have you read even one book on Stalinist Russia yet? Tell me where you get your wisdom.
@ElenaXVI I asked one question which you didnt (or probably cant) answer. I find it funny that youre asking me where I get my "wisdom" and were on a youtube page of a stalin documentary. Youre a natural matlock. Anyway if there are any other tellings of stalin I'd be glad to see them.
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Perhaps I can't answer your question, but I can't know it unless you tell me. Maybe you just don't want to hear anything from me. All you do it call me names and say I'm spreading bullshit without refuting any of my arguments with facts. All I hear is "LOTS OF PEOPLE DIED AND THATS BAD MMMMMKAY". Very intellectual.
@ElenaXVI you started off by calling me pussy and telling me to shut the fuck up, before that I said nothing bad to you. Also I never accused you of spreading bullshit , I know why stalin put people to work, but you and me have opposing views on him, as for my question I already asked you it I dont need to ask again.
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Calling people names if fine as long as you don't use it as an argument. I called you pussy and gave facts to support my position. You just call me names and don't communicate any coherent argument supported by facts. Except that Stalin was bad.
@ElenaXVI You stated facts I already knew and wasnt arguing, we simply differ in opinions about stalin. I'd rather have a mature discussion even if its a disagreement without having to throw in insults, its useless.
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Oh and yes, actually I do have some interesting tellings about Stalin, because unlike you, I read books. I happen to know that in the beginning, his colleagues would contemptuously call him "comrade archive" because he seemed so dim-witted. In the end, he would outsmart them all. That's badass, mmmmkay.
@ElenaXVI well look at you reading books want a sticker? I read books I dont need to brag about it on youtube. "mmmmmkay". There's nothign badass about being a paranoid and killing everyone around you who ever knew you personally.
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Stalin was paranoid because he led the first socialist country in the world, and he knew many people would want to bring it down if they could. The communists were originally an undergroud organization because it was the only way to combat tsarism. They were all brought up in a milieu of agents and double agents and militarism, so it's logical they kept seeing the world in those term. Marina Tsvetaeva's daughter was a spy for the French, btw.
@STATiSofVITALETHICS You see, there is a logical socio-economic-cultural explanation for everything, it's not like Stalinist terror spawned from mysterious human badness ex nihilo. Just don't be lazy and read your books WELL, the world will make more sense to you.
@wrathofvengance67 to be a proper leader (not murderer, those are 2 different things) you have to be willing to listen to the people and be able to make compromises, you cant always please everyone but that doesnt mean you just kill them off like insects,thats not leading thats murdering
@Nered88 The authoritarian regimes of 20th century Europe WERE youthful and romantic. They were all about ideals, freshness and energy. Overthrowing the old rotten system and building up a new shining one where people would be supermen. You can say what you want about these regimes, but yes, they WERE youthful and romantic. It's the modern sheeple who think that these regimes were just about terror and gulags, anyone with real understanding of the phenomenon knows about this.
@ElenaXVI Do you think communism can exist without bloodshed of civilians? I think we can find a way to inflict communism on North America by bringing bloodshed to only the patricians of modern society.
@baraqijal15 Well, communism is about protest and revolution, not about socialibility and compromise. So yeah, there's bound to be some force involved.
from a historian point of view, Stalin screwed up quite a bit, but he did a better job than Trosky ever could have. And in reality, Stalin won the war for the allies, so at least he did something right (aside from the Aigle Recommendations and Mefo Bills, which boosted the education, creating the most literate generation of Russians to date)
@dcmihatepie I'm pretty sure the ones who fought in D-Day would say otherwise... To the Stalin winning the war for the Allies. however, the rest rings pretty true and the Soviets definitely helped win the war. They invaded Germany first...
im not defending Stalin. i would never defend him or his regime, but this documentary is bullshit.. simply because there is no proof what so ever that he was responsible for "millions" of dead innocents. If the numbers "millions" are correct, they have never been documented and is therefore impossible to prove.
@TheDFixx Thats because Stalin wasn't responsible. Khrushchev was the one that started the Myths about Repressions and such, right after they poisoned Stalin and got into power. Because in comparison with Great Stalin, Khrushchev would look pathetic and incompetent. So they had to dirty Stalin's name and accuse him of horrible things to belittle him in the eyes of Soviet People. People loved Stalin with ALL their hearts and to them it was a great shock to hear these lies.
@Chudakov77 It was a great shock because everything was so portraited beautifully in the soviet propaganda. In North Korea they also admire Stalin, and they still have labour camps there where they shoot families all together, if someone even complaines about the regime they punish the father, the children and the childrens children. They cry at the statue of the 'great' leader you can cry with them so go emigrate. You can enjoy the life of a real stalinist there.
This documentary is a disgusting lie. Stalin was a great man. He did so much for Soviet Union. He turned backward undeveloped country full of illiterate peasants into Industrialized Super Power. Stalin took a country with a plow and left it with Nuclear capability. All who bad mouth him are either scum or uneducated, brainwashed fools.
@RussianNationalism Where did you get millions? Sucked it out of your finger? Give me your sources, from which you got that information. And no liberal scum and traitors like Solzhenitsyn or Navodvorskaya are not legitimate or accurate sources.
@Chudakov77 You are like those nazies, "Germany didn't kill any millions of jews", stop acting stupid and start reading. Ofcourse there were millions of victims and repressions. If you care about facts start then, right now.
@RussianNationalism I personally think Germans didnt kill jews systematically as it is claimed. And I think that there is absolutely no evidence that exactly 6 million jews were killed. I think maybe at most 1.5 million jews died total in whole WW2. And thats not from gas chambers. I think most died due to decease and starvation in concentration camps. But thats due to the fact that at the end of the war Germans could barely support their own troops.
@RussianNationalism False facts. There is no actual evidence but what some scream from every corner. As Goebbels used to say "If you repeat a lie thousand times, it becomes the truth. You are caught in the same net. You simply believe it because you were taught to believe it and everyone around you believes it. YOu dont even care if its true or not.
@Chudakov77 Yes there is evidence, my family and millions of other families share the same story and lived throughout the repressions. There were people murdered, executed for no reason. So that kind off ads to the truth more with real life witnesses.
@RussianNationalism Why was your family repressed? Let me guess they were Innocent! Right? Just as innocent as all them political figures currently in Russia that stealing millions from people? Just like Abramovich, Khadarkovskii and Chubais and all them other thieves. Just because your family told you that the relative that got repressed was innocent, doesn't mean he was. He might have stole something or killed someone or raped someone. Of course your relatives gonna claim he is innocent.
@Chudakov77 Only who didn't get repressed were the ones carrying out the orders to execute others, i assume that one of your relatives was a murderer.
@RussianNationalism смотри чудаков документальный фильм про первую индустиралисатию революцию, это было до сталина. вот это были настоящие герои, они строили нашу страну а не убивали. watch?v=0P-czJnQYbM
Вы бредите? Какая индустриализация в Российской Империи? Она отставала по всем промышленным показателям от прочих империй. Она существовала в основном за счет импорта сырья. Во время ПМВ подавляющая часть бронетехники была импортной, либо собранной в России из импортных узлов и агрегатов. Тоже самое было в авиации. Российской армии катастрофически не хватало пулемётов Пришлось закупать у американцев. Немцы выпустили в 1917 году 102000 пулеметов, русские 11500.
@gukow1 это вы бредите, русская армия имела 2.2 пулеметов на 1000 человек, германская армия 1.3 на 1000 человек. русская армия имела самое большое количество пулемет из всех участников войны. русская армия нечего не закупала, оружие было из самых лучших в европе. солдаты носили Мосин наган, пулемет 'максим', это оружия ещо во второй мировой все использовали. 76-мм дивизионная пушка считалась самая лучшая нового время. федоров уже делал автоматы до первой мировой войны!индустрия была все!
@24Slexani Россия произвела пулемётов по годам 1914 - 1184 1915 - 4251 1916 - 11072 1917 - 11456 Германия 1915 - 8000 1916 - 29000 1917 - 102000 Великобритания 1915 - 6060 1916 - 32300 1917 - 79400 По остальным странам лень писать. Если интересуетесь темой сами найдете в исторической литературе. Всего в Германии произвели во время ПМВ в10 раз больше пулемётов, чем в России. Недостающие пулеметы пришлось закупать в других странах, в основном в США - 43000 штук
Относительно автомата Федорова. Важно не только создать хорошее оружие Важно наладить его производство. Во время ПМВ некоторое количество автоматов Фёдорова было сделано кустарным образом. Для его производства требовался завод. Российские бизнесмены не брались за это дело, потому что требовалась высокая точность и культура производства. Кроме того, из-за войны наши союзники практически перестали продавать станки в Россию. Россия сама не могла организовать производство вооружения.
Чтобы наладить выпуск пулемётов, пришлось обращаться к датской фирме. Маленькая Дания была способна наладить выпуск современного вооружения, а великая, и, типа, "развитая" Россия неспособна. На новом заводе в Коврове планировали выпускать ружья пулемёты "Мадсен" и "Федорова", однако из-за тяжелой экономической и политической ситуации первые 100 автоматов Федорова были проиведены в 1920 году. В 1921 наладили массовый выпуск 100-150 штук в месяц, но к тому времени ПМВ и ГВ закончились
Так как потребности в воружениях во время ПМВ были велики, заводы которые производили винтовки Мосина: Сестрорецкий Ижевский и Тульский просто не справлялись с потребностями российской армии. поэтому приходилось закупать винтовки зарубежем.
Япония, Арисака - 763000
Италия, Веттерли - 400000
Франция, Лебеля - 86000
Франция, Гра и Гра-Кропачек - 550000
США, Винчестер (под русский патрон) - 300000
США, Remington и Westinghouse производили для России 1500000 винтовок Мосина
Все страны, которые учавствовалив этой войне были готовы. А Россия не была готова?По моему всё гораздо проще. Россия была не готова, потому что была отсталой аграрной державой. Зачем производить станки и технологическую оснастку, когда их можно купить в обмен на зерно, лес, нефть, металлы? Россия, производила вооружение в объёмах мирного времени, но потребности войны она не могла обеспечить. Она целиком и полностью зависила от иностранных партнеров.
@gukow1 аграрная страна некогда бы имела новейшие технологии переработки нефти, не производила би поезда, автоматы, танки и так далее. в твоей аграрной стране изобретали телевизор до первой мировой войны. какая аграрная страна, брет это все?
Промышленно развитая страна сама способна производить оборудование и организовать производство любой техники. В России эти производства приходилось открывать с участием иностранных специалистов, фирм и техники. Изобрести можно всё что угодно, хоть самую уникальную технику, важнее организовать производство для этой техники. Если страна это не может сделать, то в лучшем случае её можно назвать промышленно-недоразвитой страной. Танки и автоматы в России серийно не производились
Когда началась Великая Отечественная война, территории на которой проживала треть населения и на которой находилось половина промышленного потенциала СССР были оккупированы нацистами. Несмотря на это СССР сумел организовать в кратчайшие строки строительство новых военных заводов и завалить фронт современной военной техникой, и, в конце концов, победить нацистскую Европу. И это всё благодаря индустриализации проведенной в 30-е годы.
Ну конечно поставляли. Никто этого не отрицает. Только первые станки по Лендлизу добрались до заводов только в коне1942 году начале 1943 года. До этого Советский Союз строил новые заводы на основе эвакуированного оборудования и на основе оборудования произведенного в СССР за годы войны. Победа на фашистами под Сталинградом была обеспечена именно этим оборудованием.
@gukow1 Пора уже отказаться от своих иллюзий: к началу войны уцелело только 1% офицерского состава союза, поэтому воевали просто боевым мясом; убивали своих, побывавших в плену - военных и гражданских; взрывали свои же промышленные, да и исторические объекты; кратчайшие сроки произошли только через два года - в 43-м, когда потери уже были необратимы; можно продолжать бесконечно. Но нет - "Мы войну выиграли!", "Сталин - ура!", "Совок -ура!".
Вы откуда свалились? Демшизоидные 90-е давно окончились. Или на Украине всё только начинается? А может вас забрали в психушку в начале 90-х. А сейчас у вас в палатах праздник - кончились деньги на ваше лечение, и в желтом доме сделали день открытых дверей? Такой сивушный бред я давно не читал. Я думаю, что вы Сванидзе вместе с Латыниной обскакали. Те ещё пациенты.
@RussianNationalism Good example. It is calimed that most bulk of all jews killed was in Auschwitz. The number which was stated originaly was 4 million jews. Later on due to evidence and documents retrieved the number was lowered to roughly 1.6 million. Polish athorities even changed the memorial plaque which stated first that "4 million jews died here" to another plaque. Did the total number of the jews killed go down from 6 million? NOpe. They simply kept the total number the same.
@Chudakov77 Looks like you are the uneducated one, this documentary is made by real historians. It's paradoxal how you call everyone brainwashed when actually you are, face the facts and embrace that Stalin was a psychopath and a murderer.
@DXSXDXSXD Yes they did something against the law, democracy is the civic where "your freedoms stop, when other's freedoms begin" ! So don't say whatever comes into your mind! And Norway has not communism!
@mcamoran The Tsar never killed his own people, he did everything to make the life better of the Russians. Stalin and Lenin called for terror, blood and massacred millions.
@RussianNationalism Bloody Sunday (Russian: Кровавое воскресенье) was a massacre on January 22 [O.S. January 9] 1905 in St. Petersburg, Russia, where unarmed, peaceful demonstrators marching to present a petition to Tsar Nicholas II were gunned down by the Imperial Guard. Bloody Sunday was an event with grave consequences for the Tsarist regime, as the disregard for ordinary people shown by the massacre undermined support for the state. (Before you say something stupid learn your own history.)
@Chudakov77 The crowd started first shooting on police men, afterwards the guards started shooting to restore order. It was simple provocation of the revolutionaries, they were filty terrorists killing people and chaos nothing else. What you say is just copying everything, learn history out of the lines.
@RussianNationalism I dont care about myths...I only care about facts. Most demonstrators were unarmed civilians caring religious symbols and Tsar's pictures. They all got slaughtered. The sheer fact that Bolshevik Jews were able to raise MOST Russians to join their revolution already speaks volumes. Whole divisions of Tsar's White Army joined the Bolshevik Red Army, because they were fed up with Tsar. If everything was dandy and great in Tsarist Russian NO ONE would have joined the Revolution.
@Chudakov77 So what? You can demonstrate peacefully why shooting at policemen, that is called terrorism. Everything was great in Russia until the great war, it was disastrous for whole Europe, revolutions were everywhere not only in Russia...
@RussianNationalism stalin may be a evil man who killed millions, but you have to admit, Stalin made Russia what it is today, from peasant society to industrialized nation. Africa needs a man like this, a iron man who force his people to stop being lazy, not western backed dictators or Robert mougbe
@Abdikarimelmi Russia was already an industrialized country before Stalin it produced cars, airplanes, ships, steel, oil, steel everything at the beginning of the 20th century! First industrialisation was in 1867. Communism made people only lazier they needed to work less all for the same wage.
@DXSXDXSXD Germans were agressor, attacking Belgium and France if it was not for the Russians Western Europe would had been German right now. And the Tsar obeyed the law and fought with his people against the Germans, the Reds like Lenin and Stalin fought a war against its own.
@DXSXDXSXD Russia destroyed itself in WWI...and they were stupid to believe in it. Lenin appointed an Austrian (who fought in WWI against the Russians) as commander of Crimea region, there he massacred Russian people.
North Korea is the place for you mate, don't lose time in the capitalistic countries! LOL, go there to work for free and get coupons to feed yourself and buy the clothes that the state will impose you to wear or even better spend your life time in the army! LOL
@DXSXDXSXD You don't know what you are talking about. Youtube is owned by google, an american corporation that helps you and me talk and express ideas! Would such a thing been allowed having Stalin on the throne? I don't think so!
@DXSXDXSXD I know you may be romantic and want a society were everyone is happy, but this was a cruel fascist regime that depressed the people! Stalin and his alikes was an elitist who's way of ruling can be only met in the medieval ages.
@DXSXDXSXD Russia wasn't a 3rd world nation...most inventions, compositors, literature all came before Stalin. Russia was already producing battleships, cars, airplanes before WWI. And it had always been a superpower, they defeated Napoleon, The Swedes even captured Berlin. All that before Stalin.
@DXSXDXSXD Free education for what, to learn read and write what a GOD he was? Come on get serious, this is not freedom. I don't like the idea of belonging to the state, Soviet's industries expanded without worrying about the cost of lives, since all were slaves to the system and belonged to the GOD Stalin! Of course every system has it's favored ones, the bureaucrats of Moscow may recall the Stalin regime with nostalgia! Not to talk about censorship, do you really think the education was free?
@DXSXDXSXD The financiers want consumers and producers, never forget that. What profit does a big car industry owner if the working class cannot buy their products. So they attack the working class of poor countries to produce their goodies and charge the people of the "Western" countries to buy them! That's the truth, what is happening today is a relocation of funds, think of the term "Emerging Economies", does this tell you something?
@DXSXDXSXD From the documentary we easily deduce that "Stalin did the same thing too!". Do you think behind the Kremlin doors, they talked about Marxism and all this bullshit? No, they were drinking champagne and ate caviar without caring about others, watching the statistic graphs! That's the truth, whoever and whatever rules, the pyramid stays as is!
@DXSXDXSXD Since the beginning of time the classes were three, the low class which wants a society of equality, the middle class which wants to overthrow the upper class and finally the elite which wants to keep things as is. This is the human society since the ape condition of our kind, accept the facts and do something to join the elite!
@DXSXDXSXD Of course I don't agree with this kind of dumped down society, like they have in US. TV substituted the schools and the knowledge of books, TV for a nation of fools and arrogant people. So the low class will never reach the elite due to lack of knowledge and the promotion of stupidity! Even if a kid has the mental abilities to achieve something good, the public school and the TV can destroy everything!
@DXSXDXSXD The free education was given because the financiers and the industrial capitalists, decided that they needed more advanced workers who would be able to do even advanced computations. After the treaty of Rome in the 50's things changed to the worse for public education in western countries. US started being deindustrialized (remember Detroit? the no1 industrial area of the globe) and so there was no need to spend money on public education, you can make hamburgers without education too!
@DXSXDXSXD Study the 1984 of Orwell and see how the states were controlling their people, it was based actually on real events (actually we are shown only the communistic regime). Soviet Union was a backwards state, which owned it's myth only to the western media. "When a man dies it is tragedy, when millions die it is statistics" Stalin. Is this the philosophy of a strong socialistic society? History has condemned this regime and it will not return back again!
@RussianNationalism Sosialistic economy is a captive market. I will not be surprised if in the next decades there will be revelations about US supporting under the table this third world regime. US made tremendous profits in the so called "old world order", first they didn't want a free economy state at the size of USSR, that would be antagonistic to their corporations and second they created the so called "cold war" to force tax payers pay for unneccesary wars in order to control the public!
@DXSXDXSXD Actually not that were the last 20 years of the soviet union. As I said long lines, nothing in stores to buy. People were buying food with stamps even in the 70's. No great economy at all. USA didn't won the cold war, soviet union collapsed by its own.
@DXSXDXSXD Economic system was in its worst shape, with price regulations that only created black markets. Waiting 5 hours in a line to buy a piece of bread is not what i call great economy.
@DXSXDXSXD They held brave for many years, in 1917 they got tired and fed up. They destroyed themselfes with rebelling and hereby destroyig their own country. If they only would had hold on a little year longer, then revolution wouldn't had killed millions of people. If Russia would had won, they would have had half of Germany, Constantinople and rights on Jerusalem. With the communists in power the west got what they wanted - a weak Russia.
@DXSXDXSXD After revolution Russia didn't excist anymore, it died because of communists like Stalin and his jewish friends. If it was not for communism it would be the strongest country now in the world.
@DXSXDXSXD The Russian army was founded way before Stalin. The Russian army was always strong and held many victories against Swedish, French, Germans, Turks,etc..
@DXSXDXSXD Stalin's industrialisation? Russia was very industrialized before WWI it produced everything from a needle to a battleship. Currency was the strongest in the world. Zworykin and his professor were inventing television in saint petersburg before WWI. What you claim to Stalin is just the heritage what has done before him. Stalin was a criminal he only knew how to lie and murder nothing else.
@DXSXDXSXD Yes, any person who defended Russia from Hitler is a hero, as Hitler clearly wanted to make room for his master race and was already doing it in the areas of Russia German controlled.
How did he win the war with germans ? It's because of him and his purges of army generals is the reason that the germans made as far as Stalingrad. Only in Stalingrad did he let his Generals have a say and then did the Russians began to win the war. After the war he was so jelous at some of his generals getting all of the attention that he either send them away from the capital or had them executed.
@DXSXDXSXD Depending on who you ask. He did head the USSR through to victory in WW2, so he certainly earns the title hero, but his disastrous economic policy and ideological purges mean that he also did great harm to the Russian people.
@Ebuverthebicepcurler A real hero goes and fights on the front with his soldiers. A real hero would never sit in his cabinet and command millions to be murdered. He was a coward always travelling in a bullet proof train, scared of many probably even of his own shadow.
@RussianNationalism Well, then most most leaders are cowards. You are called RussianNationalism, so I'll ask you, does Putin lead from the front? Not that I hate the idea of leaders sharing the danger of followers, just making a point.
@Ebuverthebicepcurler Well if you like Stalin so much why don't you migrate to North Korea, his portraits hang everywhere there and you can live the life of a real stalinist there.
idk if i believe it because its actually a story told by some american capitalists so idk........
Infern0rockT 3 days ago
At least one bullshit sensationalist factoid in this documentary: Stalin never actually said "one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"; it's repeated often but a little digging should show that it's a misattributed quote. The author of that statement was a German novelist. It's something I can see coming out of Stalin's mouth - but in fact the connection is pure mythology.
TarasMarat 4 days ago
Comrade Stalin was the greatest lider of centrury 20. He totally rocks!! For him the UNion Soviet gets the most powerful in the world, free the proletariat get development and progress. Yes Comrade Stalin we follow you!! Long live your nobel memory of glory and sacrifice for the PEOPLE!! Long libveour Boivarian Stalinist Reovlusion!!!
hugocaracas2021 6 days ago
Fuck Stallin he was worse than Hitler in my opinion he killed far more people and why isnt this spoken about in my history class?
JozyKnows 1 week ago
@JozyKnows ...exactly...and also the massacres in china by the communist government under mao....but god forbid we are not indoctrinated by the persecution of the poor jews who are now committing mass genocide in palestine
ImJstMe1 2 days ago
@ImJstMe1 its on going war between muslims and jews so I dont mind Muslims have been asking for it
JozyKnows 2 days ago
@JozyKnows ...Thats a terrible thingto say, yes there are some extremists out there who are muslim but what has the average palestinian done ....they are being terrorized in their own land yet they are being called the terrorist for defending themselves against the USA funded IDF...please educate yourself about the plight of the palestinians...and thats not against jews and muslims its against zionists and arabs, there are christians who live in palestine
ImJstMe1 20 hours ago
Russian and Chinese totalitarianism were barbaric and cruel.Millions risked their lives fleding their homeland to the western power. Anyone who condem western power as barbaric are total ignorant and utmost stupid.Common sense.Why western power try numerous times to curtail immigration from nations who condem them as barbaric and their poor and helpless people are so eager to get in the "totalitarian" western world ?
larryman117 2 weeks ago
@larryman117 right...........stop doing drugs.....
buzzhawk 2 weeks ago
@larryman117 Your notion of time is a little senile. Those countries you're talking about are vassals of the West. So you ask why people are fleeing their homelands? The answer is quite simple: capitalism. They didn't flee much when communism was still around, but now that the system is gone, the floodgates are open.
buzzhawk 2 weeks ago
@buzzhawk I'm living right now in a former Eastern Bloc country, and you know, when communism was here, people weren't allowed to leave. Many of them wanted to, since they were subject to arbitrary arrest and even torture and death. They lived in fear of the secret police. There is no comparison between the literal, physical oppression that occurs under communism wherever it is practised, and the alleged "oppression" that occurs in the West.
caveofprogramming 2 weeks ago
@caveofprogramming Well, I live in one too. Up to a point, the system offered new opportunities to people from rather humble backgrounds. Its main problems were the lack of democratic decision making and beaurocracy. This lack of democracy led to the secret police and what eventually became its collapse. Its premises are true, especially when we're talking about the situation we're in today because of capitalism, and how the transition went in the last 23 years.
buzzhawk 2 weeks ago
@caveofprogramming People's desire to leave or not wasn't because of the fear of secret police as you put it, or fear of physical torture. Things had changed considerably starting with the late 50's when it comes to that. People wanted a change in their condition when it became worse and worse after the late 70's. The beaurocracy's answer to become mechanically involved in propaganda, and, when things spilled over, repression. This instead of allowing democracy.
buzzhawk 2 weeks ago
@buzzhawk Very interesting! Well, I hear different things from people here, depending on whether they or their relatives were or were not in the communist party, and whether they were or weren't educated or wealthy (and hence persecuted) .... There is a lack of true democracy maybe, but at least we have far more democracy than countries enjoy under communism.
caveofprogramming 2 weeks ago
@caveofprogramming It put out theory designed to maintain the status quo and its privileges, instead of allowing discussion and be involved in honest debates about the direction in which the system was going. This runs against the very basics of Marxism. Things are really simple when you take them out of context. I think this is dangerous because it legitimises the lack of democracy we're experiencing right now. I can't help but notice the similarities between 1989 and today.
buzzhawk 2 weeks ago
Who was the black guy in the opening scene?
KyleClarkUSA 3 weeks ago
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renovawolborg 3 weeks ago
excellent counter point, so the real question is how many russians did stalin screw?
Rico8458 1 month ago
This documentary is pure rubbish. Enough with the propaganda. Let's read about real history at last.
Stasi78 1 month ago
@crapfacejoe, thank u for that comment. People turn a blind eye to the 6 million people killed by the CIA alone not counting others killed by the rest of the u.s.
eastbayrider510 1 month ago
Happy Birthday Comrade Stalin.
fitzgerald297 1 month ago
I hope we will make documentaries some day documenting the the 10s of millions of deaths caused directly by western powers led by the U.S.A and it's barbaric leaders.
crapfacejoe 1 month ago 21
@crapfacejoe and yet they still believe they are the best people in the world...even in their commercials we get in Canada... they proclaim themselves as the most superior nation in the world etc... the best country in the world with the best army and the cockiest and dumbest variety of people..slack jawed accents...the cajuns are the unwanted newfies from Canada.....how many accents do you need??
scottspook 4 weeks ago
@crapfacejoe
Implying their worse than Stalin.
Ultrablastic123 1 week ago
@Ultrablastic123 I'm not implying, I'm saying America is worse than Stalin. Facts speak for themselves.
crapfacejoe 1 week ago
@crapfacejoe What? Please explain...How could you say that?
sadizes 1 week ago
@crapfacejoe - great comment! I never thought about it.
gsxxxrk5 1 week ago
the man world new "uncle joestalin"? I stopped watching after thise phrase. another american russophobic propaganda for dummies
trupoed11 1 month ago
Stalin wasn't shit, he allowed the Jews to kill millions of his fellow countrymen!!!
bs10098121 1 month ago
Nowadays we put the people who use drugs, alcoholics etc. in a special building which just isolates them from the outside world and make their mind go crazy and let them commit suicide.
Stalin learned his people what is wrong and what is right and if you disobeyed you got punished and in some cases, if you disobeyed and disrespected, you even can be killed.
My opinion is that Stalin was a great man!
i'd rather live in a socialist/communist country then in a capitalist country!
234jari234 2 months ago
@234jari234 kill people who dont agree with you...yes that makes you a great man! youre sick in the head
STATiSofVITALETHICS 2 months ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS I´d rather be killed then living in this corrupt society of our so called "goverment".
The only thing they do is taking money from the people who work for it and fill their own pockets with it and saying we got a crisis!
Lenin and Stalin were the leaders FOR and BY the people, they actually stood up for the workers and gave them a spark of hope back!
234jari234 2 months ago
@234jari234 you wouldnt rather be killed, if you wantd to be dead so bad rather than live in your corrupt society you wouldve killed yourself a long time ago, stop being so dramatic and be happy you have the freedom of speech more than stalin ever gave anyone
STATiSofVITALETHICS 2 months ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS I may have freedom of speech but does our goverment care? .. i don't think so!
There are thousends of people out there that would die to get a job, Lenin and Stalin did that they brought work to the people and took care of it unlike these corrupt politics by saying nice and kid words but not doing a single fucking thing.
234jari234 2 months ago
@234jari234 if you want things done take action like stalin did, but you dont have to murder millions, i don tcare how many jobs he craeted what good is that when half the population is dead
STATiSofVITALETHICS 2 months ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Stalin did thing the way he did because he was afraid of a war with Germany, that's why the industrialization that took 100 years in the West, had to take 10 years in Russia. If you consider that it was a huge and backward country, it's not surprising that so much coercion was needed to coordinate the process. In the end, Stalin's terror saved YOUR hairy ass from the Nazis. You're just a pussy who doesn't know history so just shut the fuck up.
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@ElenaXVI my "hairy ass" wasnt born then, what makes me a pussy? being against the killing of my own people? youre the dumbest fuck on youtube then.
STATiSofVITALETHICS 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS If Russians are your people and Hitler would have won the war then yes, your hairy ass would be in trouble. If it had been born at all, that is. And changes and growth always involve pain, when changes are so great and fast as in Stalin's Russia, pain is great too. In the end, there were more people who profited from the Stalinist regime than those who suffered from it, just read Richard Overy. Great British historian.
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@ElenaXVI what percentage of poor and middle class versus the percentage of higher class population were forced to work (malnourished and not cared for)?
STATiSofVITALETHICS 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Working is bad?
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@ElenaXVI forced work in those conditions yes, and whats the answer to my question, just curious
STATiSofVITALETHICS 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS When a country capitalizes labor is harsh. If you consider that huge backward Russia had to make 100 years of progress in time in 10 years, then yes, the working conditions were pretty crappy because the capital went to strengthening the country and the military rather than to the consumer goods.
Was it justified? I think it was. Because without it, the USSR wouldn't be strong enough to defeat Hitler and we would be in much greater trouble.
Solved.
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@ElenaXVI ok thats all nice and everything but I still want to know the answer to my question
STATiSofVITALETHICS 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS And the question is?
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@ElenaXVI look down
STATiSofVITALETHICS 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS I'm not looking down because I'm too proud, don't be a pussy and just say it again.
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@ElenaXVI what does scrolling down have to do with pride? get the fuck outta here with that bullshit, stop being a pussy and learn to read the first time
STATiSofVITALETHICS 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Someone's getting emo here :)
Anyway, I find it funny how you're the one asking the questions and I'm the one giving facts and citing historians. Have you read even one book on Stalinist Russia yet? Tell me where you get your wisdom.
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@ElenaXVI I asked one question which you didnt (or probably cant) answer. I find it funny that youre asking me where I get my "wisdom" and were on a youtube page of a stalin documentary. Youre a natural matlock. Anyway if there are any other tellings of stalin I'd be glad to see them.
STATiSofVITALETHICS 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Perhaps I can't answer your question, but I can't know it unless you tell me. Maybe you just don't want to hear anything from me. All you do it call me names and say I'm spreading bullshit without refuting any of my arguments with facts. All I hear is "LOTS OF PEOPLE DIED AND THATS BAD MMMMMKAY". Very intellectual.
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@ElenaXVI you started off by calling me pussy and telling me to shut the fuck up, before that I said nothing bad to you. Also I never accused you of spreading bullshit , I know why stalin put people to work, but you and me have opposing views on him, as for my question I already asked you it I dont need to ask again.
STATiSofVITALETHICS 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Calling people names if fine as long as you don't use it as an argument. I called you pussy and gave facts to support my position. You just call me names and don't communicate any coherent argument supported by facts. Except that Stalin was bad.
Anyways, I'm sorry I called you a pussy.
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@ElenaXVI You stated facts I already knew and wasnt arguing, we simply differ in opinions about stalin. I'd rather have a mature discussion even if its a disagreement without having to throw in insults, its useless.
STATiSofVITALETHICS 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Let's agree to disagree then.
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Oh and yes, actually I do have some interesting tellings about Stalin, because unlike you, I read books. I happen to know that in the beginning, his colleagues would contemptuously call him "comrade archive" because he seemed so dim-witted. In the end, he would outsmart them all. That's badass, mmmmkay.
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@ElenaXVI well look at you reading books want a sticker? I read books I dont need to brag about it on youtube. "mmmmmkay". There's nothign badass about being a paranoid and killing everyone around you who ever knew you personally.
STATiSofVITALETHICS 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS Stalin was paranoid because he led the first socialist country in the world, and he knew many people would want to bring it down if they could. The communists were originally an undergroud organization because it was the only way to combat tsarism. They were all brought up in a milieu of agents and double agents and militarism, so it's logical they kept seeing the world in those term. Marina Tsvetaeva's daughter was a spy for the French, btw.
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS You see, there is a logical socio-economic-cultural explanation for everything, it's not like Stalinist terror spawned from mysterious human badness ex nihilo. Just don't be lazy and read your books WELL, the world will make more sense to you.
ElenaXVI 1 month ago
@ElenaXVI I know he didnt do it for shits and giggles I never implied that, and he had his reasons but yes we'll agree to disagree.
STATiSofVITALETHICS 1 month ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS no I agree. If I were leader, I would kill those who disagree with me. Form of revenge!
wrathofvengance67 2 months ago
@wrathofvengance67 then im happy youre not a leader
STATiSofVITALETHICS 2 months ago
@STATiSofVITALETHICS ur a fool but, to be a proper leader u have to kill those who disagree.
wrathofvengance67 2 months ago
@wrathofvengance67 to be a proper leader (not murderer, those are 2 different things) you have to be willing to listen to the people and be able to make compromises, you cant always please everyone but that doesnt mean you just kill them off like insects,thats not leading thats murdering
STATiSofVITALETHICS 2 months ago
Russian totalitarianism was very youthful and romantic, nothing like the huggish capitalist totalitarianism we have now!
ElenaXVI 2 months ago 4
@ElenaXVI So youthful and romantic that it killed millions of it's own nation and other nations' people! Are you for real?!
Lastivka2010 2 months ago
@Lastivka2010 Of course I am.
ElenaXVI 2 months ago
@ElenaXVI youthful and romantic ? what is that supposed to mean ?
Nered88 2 months ago
@Nered88 The authoritarian regimes of 20th century Europe WERE youthful and romantic. They were all about ideals, freshness and energy. Overthrowing the old rotten system and building up a new shining one where people would be supermen. You can say what you want about these regimes, but yes, they WERE youthful and romantic. It's the modern sheeple who think that these regimes were just about terror and gulags, anyone with real understanding of the phenomenon knows about this.
ElenaXVI 2 months ago
@ElenaXVI Do you think communism can exist without bloodshed of civilians? I think we can find a way to inflict communism on North America by bringing bloodshed to only the patricians of modern society.
baraqijal15 2 months ago
@baraqijal15 Well, communism is about protest and revolution, not about socialibility and compromise. So yeah, there's bound to be some force involved.
ElenaXVI 2 months ago
@ElenaXVI I think this is a good time for a democratic communist North America. Forget the greedy dictators of the past. This will be real communism.
baraqijal15 2 months ago
@ElenaXVI Sacrifice and force will obviously be necessary at first.
baraqijal15 2 months ago
@ElenaXVI i know ay, Russian parades were a reflection of their youthful energy
wrathofvengance67 2 months ago
@ElenaXVI right...........stop doing drugs.....
scottspook 4 weeks ago
@ElenaXVI You mean Crony Capitalistic Totalitarianism.
DavidGHayes91 2 weeks ago
from a historian point of view, Stalin screwed up quite a bit, but he did a better job than Trosky ever could have. And in reality, Stalin won the war for the allies, so at least he did something right (aside from the Aigle Recommendations and Mefo Bills, which boosted the education, creating the most literate generation of Russians to date)
dcmihatepie 2 months ago
@dcmihatepie I'm pretty sure the ones who fought in D-Day would say otherwise... To the Stalin winning the war for the Allies. however, the rest rings pretty true and the Soviets definitely helped win the war. They invaded Germany first...
johnnyscifi 2 months ago
stalin saved his people from the nazi's ? wassnt stalin the one who let them in in the first place ? so who saved who anyway
1988Thoom 3 months ago
Does anyone know the name of the song at the very begining?
fitzgerald297 3 months ago
fuck stalin JOSIP BROZ TITO WAS ONLY ONE WHO STAND UP TO HEM AND TO USA RIP DRUŽE
MARKO8885VTC 3 months ago
my idol!
smallpotatoes989 4 months ago
RIP stalin.
sovietdog17 4 months ago
ok, dann fick ich halt deine schwester
LudolfFAN5 4 months ago
If someone could tell me the name of the song at the begining, That would be great.
fitzerald297 4 months ago
@truvianni Truth ? Americans + Truth = Undefined in Life ... No secert the whole world hate the US gov.
majorOblaze 5 months ago
im not defending Stalin. i would never defend him or his regime, but this documentary is bullshit.. simply because there is no proof what so ever that he was responsible for "millions" of dead innocents. If the numbers "millions" are correct, they have never been documented and is therefore impossible to prove.
TheDFixx 5 months ago
@TheDFixx Thats because Stalin wasn't responsible. Khrushchev was the one that started the Myths about Repressions and such, right after they poisoned Stalin and got into power. Because in comparison with Great Stalin, Khrushchev would look pathetic and incompetent. So they had to dirty Stalin's name and accuse him of horrible things to belittle him in the eyes of Soviet People. People loved Stalin with ALL their hearts and to them it was a great shock to hear these lies.
Chudakov77 5 months ago
@Chudakov77 It was a great shock because everything was so portraited beautifully in the soviet propaganda. In North Korea they also admire Stalin, and they still have labour camps there where they shoot families all together, if someone even complaines about the regime they punish the father, the children and the childrens children. They cry at the statue of the 'great' leader you can cry with them so go emigrate. You can enjoy the life of a real stalinist there.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
This documentary is a disgusting lie. Stalin was a great man. He did so much for Soviet Union. He turned backward undeveloped country full of illiterate peasants into Industrialized Super Power. Stalin took a country with a plow and left it with Nuclear capability. All who bad mouth him are either scum or uneducated, brainwashed fools.
Chudakov77 5 months ago
@Chudakov77 Say that to the millions of people who have been massacred under his regime.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism Where did you get millions? Sucked it out of your finger? Give me your sources, from which you got that information. And no liberal scum and traitors like Solzhenitsyn or Navodvorskaya are not legitimate or accurate sources.
Chudakov77 5 months ago
@Chudakov77 You are like those nazies, "Germany didn't kill any millions of jews", stop acting stupid and start reading. Ofcourse there were millions of victims and repressions. If you care about facts start then, right now.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism I personally think Germans didnt kill jews systematically as it is claimed. And I think that there is absolutely no evidence that exactly 6 million jews were killed. I think maybe at most 1.5 million jews died total in whole WW2. And thats not from gas chambers. I think most died due to decease and starvation in concentration camps. But thats due to the fact that at the end of the war Germans could barely support their own troops.
Chudakov77 5 months ago
@Chudakov77 You can't discuss Stalin or Hitler, it are facts so don't even try.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism False facts. There is no actual evidence but what some scream from every corner. As Goebbels used to say "If you repeat a lie thousand times, it becomes the truth. You are caught in the same net. You simply believe it because you were taught to believe it and everyone around you believes it. YOu dont even care if its true or not.
Chudakov77 5 months ago
@Chudakov77 Yes there is evidence, my family and millions of other families share the same story and lived throughout the repressions. There were people murdered, executed for no reason. So that kind off ads to the truth more with real life witnesses.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism Why was your family repressed? Let me guess they were Innocent! Right? Just as innocent as all them political figures currently in Russia that stealing millions from people? Just like Abramovich, Khadarkovskii and Chubais and all them other thieves. Just because your family told you that the relative that got repressed was innocent, doesn't mean he was. He might have stole something or killed someone or raped someone. Of course your relatives gonna claim he is innocent.
Chudakov77 5 months ago
@Chudakov77 I'll just simply ignore what you said about my family. The tsars' children were innocent, so is the same with all the others.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@Chudakov77 Only who didn't get repressed were the ones carrying out the orders to execute others, i assume that one of your relatives was a murderer.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism смотри чудаков документальный фильм про первую индустиралисатию революцию, это было до сталина. вот это были настоящие герои, они строили нашу страну а не убивали. watch?v=0P-czJnQYbM
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism
Вы бредите? Какая индустриализация в Российской Империи? Она отставала по всем промышленным показателям от прочих империй. Она существовала в основном за счет импорта сырья. Во время ПМВ подавляющая часть бронетехники была импортной, либо собранной в России из импортных узлов и агрегатов. Тоже самое было в авиации. Российской армии катастрофически не хватало пулемётов Пришлось закупать у американцев. Немцы выпустили в 1917 году 102000 пулеметов, русские 11500.
gukow1 4 months ago
@gukow1 это вы бредите, русская армия имела 2.2 пулеметов на 1000 человек, германская армия 1.3 на 1000 человек. русская армия имела самое большое количество пулемет из всех участников войны. русская армия нечего не закупала, оружие было из самых лучших в европе. солдаты носили Мосин наган, пулемет 'максим', это оружия ещо во второй мировой все использовали. 76-мм дивизионная пушка считалась самая лучшая нового время. федоров уже делал автоматы до первой мировой войны!индустрия была все!
24Slexani 4 months ago
gukow1 4 months ago
@24Slexani
Относительно автомата Федорова. Важно не только создать хорошее оружие Важно наладить его производство. Во время ПМВ некоторое количество автоматов Фёдорова было сделано кустарным образом. Для его производства требовался завод. Российские бизнесмены не брались за это дело, потому что требовалась высокая точность и культура производства. Кроме того, из-за войны наши союзники практически перестали продавать станки в Россию. Россия сама не могла организовать производство вооружения.
gukow1 4 months ago
@24Slexani
Чтобы наладить выпуск пулемётов, пришлось обращаться к датской фирме. Маленькая Дания была способна наладить выпуск современного вооружения, а великая, и, типа, "развитая" Россия неспособна. На новом заводе в Коврове планировали выпускать ружья пулемёты "Мадсен" и "Федорова", однако из-за тяжелой экономической и политической ситуации первые 100 автоматов Федорова были проиведены в 1920 году. В 1921 наладили массовый выпуск 100-150 штук в месяц, но к тому времени ПМВ и ГВ закончились
gukow1 4 months ago
@24Slexani
Так как потребности в воружениях во время ПМВ были велики, заводы которые производили винтовки Мосина: Сестрорецкий Ижевский и Тульский просто не справлялись с потребностями российской армии. поэтому приходилось закупать винтовки зарубежем.
Япония, Арисака - 763000
Италия, Веттерли - 400000
Франция, Лебеля - 86000
Франция, Гра и Гра-Кропачек - 550000
США, Винчестер (под русский патрон) - 300000
США, Remington и Westinghouse производили для России 1500000 винтовок Мосина
gukow1 4 months ago
@gukow1 вся проблема была в логистики и не готовим перевооружениям армии. так россия производила все ей просто не дале все завершить до конца.
RussianNationalism 4 months ago
@RussianNationalism
Все страны, которые учавствовалив этой войне были готовы. А Россия не была готова?По моему всё гораздо проще. Россия была не готова, потому что была отсталой аграрной державой. Зачем производить станки и технологическую оснастку, когда их можно купить в обмен на зерно, лес, нефть, металлы? Россия, производила вооружение в объёмах мирного времени, но потребности войны она не могла обеспечить. Она целиком и полностью зависила от иностранных партнеров.
gukow1 4 months ago
@gukow1 аграрная страна некогда бы имела новейшие технологии переработки нефти, не производила би поезда, автоматы, танки и так далее. в твоей аграрной стране изобретали телевизор до первой мировой войны. какая аграрная страна, брет это все?
RussianNationalism 4 months ago
@RussianNationalism
Промышленно развитая страна сама способна производить оборудование и организовать производство любой техники. В России эти производства приходилось открывать с участием иностранных специалистов, фирм и техники. Изобрести можно всё что угодно, хоть самую уникальную технику, важнее организовать производство для этой техники. Если страна это не может сделать, то в лучшем случае её можно назвать промышленно-недоразвитой страной. Танки и автоматы в России серийно не производились
gukow1 4 months ago
@RussianNationalism
Когда началась Великая Отечественная война, территории на которой проживала треть населения и на которой находилось половина промышленного потенциала СССР были оккупированы нацистами. Несмотря на это СССР сумел организовать в кратчайшие строки строительство новых военных заводов и завалить фронт современной военной техникой, и, в конце концов, победить нацистскую Европу. И это всё благодаря индустриализации проведенной в 30-е годы.
gukow1 4 months ago
@gukow1 и тогда CCCP зависел от импорта, американцы отправляли технику на оборудование этих заводов.
RussianNationalism 4 months ago
@RussianNationalism
Ну конечно поставляли. Никто этого не отрицает. Только первые станки по Лендлизу добрались до заводов только в коне1942 году начале 1943 года. До этого Советский Союз строил новые заводы на основе эвакуированного оборудования и на основе оборудования произведенного в СССР за годы войны. Победа на фашистами под Сталинградом была обеспечена именно этим оборудованием.
gukow1 4 months ago
@gukow1 Пора уже отказаться от своих иллюзий: к началу войны уцелело только 1% офицерского состава союза, поэтому воевали просто боевым мясом; убивали своих, побывавших в плену - военных и гражданских; взрывали свои же промышленные, да и исторические объекты; кратчайшие сроки произошли только через два года - в 43-м, когда потери уже были необратимы; можно продолжать бесконечно. Но нет - "Мы войну выиграли!", "Сталин - ура!", "Совок -ура!".
Lastivka2010 2 months ago
@Lastivka2010
Вы откуда свалились? Демшизоидные 90-е давно окончились. Или на Украине всё только начинается? А может вас забрали в психушку в начале 90-х. А сейчас у вас в палатах праздник - кончились деньги на ваше лечение, и в желтом доме сделали день открытых дверей? Такой сивушный бред я давно не читал. Я думаю, что вы Сванидзе вместе с Латыниной обскакали. Те ещё пациенты.
gukow1 2 months ago
@RussianNationalism Good example. It is calimed that most bulk of all jews killed was in Auschwitz. The number which was stated originaly was 4 million jews. Later on due to evidence and documents retrieved the number was lowered to roughly 1.6 million. Polish athorities even changed the memorial plaque which stated first that "4 million jews died here" to another plaque. Did the total number of the jews killed go down from 6 million? NOpe. They simply kept the total number the same.
Chudakov77 5 months ago
@Chudakov77 Looks like you are the uneducated one, this documentary is made by real historians. It's paradoxal how you call everyone brainwashed when actually you are, face the facts and embrace that Stalin was a psychopath and a murderer.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
fake and gay
giopa110888 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Yes they did something against the law, democracy is the civic where "your freedoms stop, when other's freedoms begin" ! So don't say whatever comes into your mind! And Norway has not communism!
mcamoran 5 months ago
@mcamoran The Tsar never killed his own people, he did everything to make the life better of the Russians. Stalin and Lenin called for terror, blood and massacred millions.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism I know, Lenin was funded (by dark centers) to overthrow him!
mcamoran 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism Bloody Sunday (Russian: Кровавое воскресенье) was a massacre on January 22 [O.S. January 9] 1905 in St. Petersburg, Russia, where unarmed, peaceful demonstrators marching to present a petition to Tsar Nicholas II were gunned down by the Imperial Guard. Bloody Sunday was an event with grave consequences for the Tsarist regime, as the disregard for ordinary people shown by the massacre undermined support for the state. (Before you say something stupid learn your own history.)
Chudakov77 5 months ago
@Chudakov77 The crowd started first shooting on police men, afterwards the guards started shooting to restore order. It was simple provocation of the revolutionaries, they were filty terrorists killing people and chaos nothing else. What you say is just copying everything, learn history out of the lines.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism I dont care about myths...I only care about facts. Most demonstrators were unarmed civilians caring religious symbols and Tsar's pictures. They all got slaughtered. The sheer fact that Bolshevik Jews were able to raise MOST Russians to join their revolution already speaks volumes. Whole divisions of Tsar's White Army joined the Bolshevik Red Army, because they were fed up with Tsar. If everything was dandy and great in Tsarist Russian NO ONE would have joined the Revolution.
Chudakov77 5 months ago
@Chudakov77 So what? You can demonstrate peacefully why shooting at policemen, that is called terrorism. Everything was great in Russia until the great war, it was disastrous for whole Europe, revolutions were everywhere not only in Russia...
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism stalin may be a evil man who killed millions, but you have to admit, Stalin made Russia what it is today, from peasant society to industrialized nation. Africa needs a man like this, a iron man who force his people to stop being lazy, not western backed dictators or Robert mougbe
Abdikarimelmi 5 months ago
@Abdikarimelmi Russia was already an industrialized country before Stalin it produced cars, airplanes, ships, steel, oil, steel everything at the beginning of the 20th century! First industrialisation was in 1867. Communism made people only lazier they needed to work less all for the same wage.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Germans were agressor, attacking Belgium and France if it was not for the Russians Western Europe would had been German right now. And the Tsar obeyed the law and fought with his people against the Germans, the Reds like Lenin and Stalin fought a war against its own.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Stalin would have put 2 bullets in their heads! LOL
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Russia destroyed itself in WWI...and they were stupid to believe in it. Lenin appointed an Austrian (who fought in WWI against the Russians) as commander of Crimea region, there he massacred Russian people.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD
North Korea is the place for you mate, don't lose time in the capitalistic countries! LOL, go there to work for free and get coupons to feed yourself and buy the clothes that the state will impose you to wear or even better spend your life time in the army! LOL
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD You don't know what you are talking about. Youtube is owned by google, an american corporation that helps you and me talk and express ideas! Would such a thing been allowed having Stalin on the throne? I don't think so!
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD I know you may be romantic and want a society were everyone is happy, but this was a cruel fascist regime that depressed the people! Stalin and his alikes was an elitist who's way of ruling can be only met in the medieval ages.
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Russia wasn't a 3rd world nation...most inventions, compositors, literature all came before Stalin. Russia was already producing battleships, cars, airplanes before WWI. And it had always been a superpower, they defeated Napoleon, The Swedes even captured Berlin. All that before Stalin.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Free education for what, to learn read and write what a GOD he was? Come on get serious, this is not freedom. I don't like the idea of belonging to the state, Soviet's industries expanded without worrying about the cost of lives, since all were slaves to the system and belonged to the GOD Stalin! Of course every system has it's favored ones, the bureaucrats of Moscow may recall the Stalin regime with nostalgia! Not to talk about censorship, do you really think the education was free?
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD The financiers want consumers and producers, never forget that. What profit does a big car industry owner if the working class cannot buy their products. So they attack the working class of poor countries to produce their goodies and charge the people of the "Western" countries to buy them! That's the truth, what is happening today is a relocation of funds, think of the term "Emerging Economies", does this tell you something?
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD From the documentary we easily deduce that "Stalin did the same thing too!". Do you think behind the Kremlin doors, they talked about Marxism and all this bullshit? No, they were drinking champagne and ate caviar without caring about others, watching the statistic graphs! That's the truth, whoever and whatever rules, the pyramid stays as is!
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Since the beginning of time the classes were three, the low class which wants a society of equality, the middle class which wants to overthrow the upper class and finally the elite which wants to keep things as is. This is the human society since the ape condition of our kind, accept the facts and do something to join the elite!
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Of course I don't agree with this kind of dumped down society, like they have in US. TV substituted the schools and the knowledge of books, TV for a nation of fools and arrogant people. So the low class will never reach the elite due to lack of knowledge and the promotion of stupidity! Even if a kid has the mental abilities to achieve something good, the public school and the TV can destroy everything!
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD The free education was given because the financiers and the industrial capitalists, decided that they needed more advanced workers who would be able to do even advanced computations. After the treaty of Rome in the 50's things changed to the worse for public education in western countries. US started being deindustrialized (remember Detroit? the no1 industrial area of the globe) and so there was no need to spend money on public education, you can make hamburgers without education too!
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD You like playing word games! All western societies play the game of global capitalism!
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Study the 1984 of Orwell and see how the states were controlling their people, it was based actually on real events (actually we are shown only the communistic regime). Soviet Union was a backwards state, which owned it's myth only to the western media. "When a man dies it is tragedy, when millions die it is statistics" Stalin. Is this the philosophy of a strong socialistic society? History has condemned this regime and it will not return back again!
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD I don't know about Kazahstan, but in Russia everyone needed to go with foodstamps waiting in lines to buy products.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism Sosialistic economy is a captive market. I will not be surprised if in the next decades there will be revelations about US supporting under the table this third world regime. US made tremendous profits in the so called "old world order", first they didn't want a free economy state at the size of USSR, that would be antagonistic to their corporations and second they created the so called "cold war" to force tax payers pay for unneccesary wars in order to control the public!
mcamoran 5 months ago
@mcamoran Everyone is controlled, money controls the world that's where also wars and revolutions come from.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism True that! I just can't stand those idiots who praise the communist regime, especially the fans of Stalin!
mcamoran 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD And where was that?
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Actually not that were the last 20 years of the soviet union. As I said long lines, nothing in stores to buy. People were buying food with stamps even in the 70's. No great economy at all. USA didn't won the cold war, soviet union collapsed by its own.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Economic system was in its worst shape, with price regulations that only created black markets. Waiting 5 hours in a line to buy a piece of bread is not what i call great economy.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Ofcourse it was golden age for satan: millions of deaths, mass genocide, deprivatization, labour camps and always oppression.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD They held brave for many years, in 1917 they got tired and fed up. They destroyed themselfes with rebelling and hereby destroyig their own country. If they only would had hold on a little year longer, then revolution wouldn't had killed millions of people. If Russia would had won, they would have had half of Germany, Constantinople and rights on Jerusalem. With the communists in power the west got what they wanted - a weak Russia.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD After revolution Russia didn't excist anymore, it died because of communists like Stalin and his jewish friends. If it was not for communism it would be the strongest country now in the world.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD The Russian army was founded way before Stalin. The Russian army was always strong and held many victories against Swedish, French, Germans, Turks,etc..
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Stalin's industrialisation? Russia was very industrialized before WWI it produced everything from a needle to a battleship. Currency was the strongest in the world. Zworykin and his professor were inventing television in saint petersburg before WWI. What you claim to Stalin is just the heritage what has done before him. Stalin was a criminal he only knew how to lie and murder nothing else.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Russian generals and the soviet people won the war. What Stalin did is killing millions.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Yes, any person who defended Russia from Hitler is a hero, as Hitler clearly wanted to make room for his master race and was already doing it in the areas of Russia German controlled.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 5 months ago
How did he win the war with germans ? It's because of him and his purges of army generals is the reason that the germans made as far as Stalingrad. Only in Stalingrad did he let his Generals have a say and then did the Russians began to win the war. After the war he was so jelous at some of his generals getting all of the attention that he either send them away from the capital or had them executed.
Too bad that he diden't die as Hitler died.
xmifi 5 months ago
@DXSXDXSXD Depending on who you ask. He did head the USSR through to victory in WW2, so he certainly earns the title hero, but his disastrous economic policy and ideological purges mean that he also did great harm to the Russian people.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 5 months ago
@Ebuverthebicepcurler A real hero goes and fights on the front with his soldiers. A real hero would never sit in his cabinet and command millions to be murdered. He was a coward always travelling in a bullet proof train, scared of many probably even of his own shadow.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism Well, then most most leaders are cowards. You are called RussianNationalism, so I'll ask you, does Putin lead from the front? Not that I hate the idea of leaders sharing the danger of followers, just making a point.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 5 months ago
@Ebuverthebicepcurler Putin doesen't show up in military uniform. He is a politician.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism Ha, well I guess that means he is more honest.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 5 months ago
@Ebuverthebicepcurler Well if you like Stalin so much why don't you migrate to North Korea, his portraits hang everywhere there and you can live the life of a real stalinist there.
RussianNationalism 5 months ago
@RussianNationalism Ha, I certainly don't like his economic policy or oppression of citizens. I mention this earlier to DXSDSXD
Ebuverthebicepcurler 5 months ago
poor uncle joe
splicerslayer23 5 months ago
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fcgfgcfg 6 months ago
@fcgfgcfg , Huh ?
ComradeAgopian 5 months ago
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freandwhickquest 6 months ago
In Riga, Latvia there is a museum called "Occupation Museum" which tells the story of Stalin's influence in that country which I found interesting
truvianni 6 months ago