@ahmedaamm you idiot, it was the USA Soviet Union and China who stopped the Suez Canal Crisis. This was years before the USA reached current levels of support for Israel.
@ahmedaamm ; Israel defeated Egypt in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 wars. Britain attacked Egypt in 1965 together with France and Israel. The US never fought against Egypt. Go back and study history.
@ahmedaamm Ha ha ha! Not only did Britain DEFEAT Egypt, but you became a British colony for nearly 100 years, and at Suez, we fucking raped the Egyptian army, and completely defeated Egypt again. It was only the bastard Americans who economically threatened us unless we withdrew that we decided to leave. Hardly an Egyptian victory? Nassar would have been hung unless the yanks intervened. Count yourself lucky.
@tttBig do nort tell me that they never did in video subhuman you should be put in death camp until you rot there enemy of humanity . you need another hitler to finish the job
@tttBig you have nothing except insult . I proved that you are liar and hypocrite the people in vidoe did call arabs terrorists while jews were called sabotage
@tttBig go to 5.:34 and listen good. That rat jew is calling arabs sabators TERRORSTIN . you think you can get away with it because he said it in Hebrew and the translators in english did not translate to us .
@Evilfisher Lol, and? Look at the same people who went over the Israeli border to EXTERMINATE THEM. Ohhh, a few Jewish terrorists are a lot in comparison to the whole Arab scum against them!
@farringtoodle lol atheist dont have a purpose because thier just random event in ta random galaxy all these people in this war have some thing to live for but i know your too pathetic to die for any thing
@farringtoodle Yeah that worked well with your friends Mao & Stalin,these two atheists are responsible for the murder of over 100 million people. The only religion that says you die if not accept it's precepts Islam.
@Gideon6640man Yes I do apologise. My comment is not correct and I am sorry if it caused any offence. I am an atheist, but I appreciate that people are entitled to their own beliefs. I suppose if people didn't fight over religion they would find something else to fight over. I think the main point that I would like to make about the arab israeli conflict is that until both sides understand each others points of view, the conflict will not end. Both sides are as bad as eachother.
(1) Could you link me to an academic journal or something that argues that secularism is atheism.
(2) Israel was established, historically, without invoking the Torah ... if you want to argue against Israel (because you dislike them) then fine, but that argument has no ground to it.
Israel is not secular State. (The Torah was not needed to make the country religious.) The military power of the IDF is quite sufficient.
Israelis distance themselves from Orthodox Jews by describing themselves as secular – meaning, non-religious. This is the Israeli way to describe atheism. Only atheists feel a need to tell others of their non-belief.
Even today in the year 2010. Don't trust them. If they think they can get away it, they will do it. No doubt about it their lust for killing and colonialism is still there.
Just go to a Italian police station and see the dead bodies of immigrants. While the white shits sip their coffee. Sick.
Israel's call for peace has always been "hilarious". It's like someone breaking into your house, killing some of your kids, and banishing you to the backyard, THEN asking that you live in peace with him, without getting any of what is rightfully yours back (expect for a vague promise not to kill more of your kids at will)
Google for the "Palestinian exodus", read about the depopulation of Palestinian villages through genocidal acts of murder and terror.
as we see an Egyptian Jew is helping Israel to attack egypt, and that's how jews all over the world, they are loyal only to themselves not to the countries they belong to, therefore never trust a jew.
rofl Arabs are liars man (not all arabs but quite a few are due to Islam) they lie to their own people saying they are winning a war when they are in fact losing, they don't even acknowledge their own defeats lol. Please man, tell your lies elsewhere.
Islam is no different to Judeo-Christianity in that both worship something that does not exist. The evil of religion of any kind is that it admonishes a person from taking responsibility for their actions; any dreadful attrocity becomes OK if it is done in the name of 'God'. Jews and Muslims would probably get along just fine if they all became Athiest.......So, while you are talking of lies; be assured, religion is the biggest lie of all.
1.) You must know nothing about Christianity to make that statement in the first place lol. 2.) Who said God condoned it? 3.) Don't be naive in thinking religion is a core reason for attrocities in the world. If there were only athiests then the reason would be simply greed, lust, jealousy etc. You are very naive however you are right religion is the biggest lie but God is not. In order for you to say God does not exist must mean you have evidence which you don't so think first :)
I was a christian for over 20 years. After one pastor sexually assaulted my younger sister, I went to a different church where the minister attempted to seduce my wife, then insisted I was posessed by "demons" when I confronted him. Enough! I will never return to any religion and it is my mission in life to dissuade others from doing so.
Greed could never be motivation for a suicide bomber(who would want to be the richest corpse in the cemetary?) Martyrdom/S.B is a 100% religious phenomenen
I wouldn't go into any religion myself however I would run to God which is what I did. You think when a human being calls himself a christian means he is one? If you been a christian for that long you would know that's not true. Mankind is prone to do evil, its how we are in this fallen state. What you've given me is a reason not to believe in a religion which I fully agree with however not a reason to turn your back on Christ. Its more than just a religion for me because I know God.
Christ was a great man, perhaps the greatest man that ever lived. The Sermon on the mount, when closely scrutinised, actually contains the answers to every problem mankind has ever , and will ever encounter. If the definition of a Christian is one who respects Christ, then perhaps I still am a Christian..?, but the son of God?..He was the son of Joseph and Mary. A very gifted man and a better man than most, but just a man.
He would not tolerate all this bloodshed over religion....nor do I.
A christian in the bible is defined as one who obeys Christ, one who has accepted Christ as Lord and Saviour and acknowledges that He's God/Son of God. True, He would not tolerate the bloodshed, also the Word has answers to all problems just up to the individual. By God's definition in His Word, you aren't a christian but at least you respect Him :) To say you are a Christian means you follow Christ which is why I call myself a Christian not because I simply go to church or say I'm a christian
I am a christian because I had given my life over to Christ. I don't simply talk stuff, but I live my life by it. A christian has a total change of heart and will stick with Christ till the end of the race. The world's definition of a christian is not what it is in the Word and is why you have so many corrupt pastors, religions, etc. I promised God I would never turn my back on Him because of what man has done. I can't blame God for our mistakes. Humans are stupid creatures that's all.
Don't be turned away from Christ because of what men has done claiming it was in Christ's name. Read the Word, know what Christ would do, and compare it to what you see and you'll know... they aren't saved. I was going through a similiar experience as you had because Christians can be hypocrites or so many fakes out here but I knew my God... I knew this wasn't holy otherwise I would be an atheist but Christ's power is greater than anything you and I will ever know. I pray you take the time :)
"Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "GOD is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no god (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One(God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them." Quran 5:73
I understand you're confusion and distrusting ministers and such but still, your mind must be focused on God, not men. If you went to church for the truth that men give then you were going for the wrong reason in the first place. You have to go there for God and by reading your statements here you went there because it was your religion not because God led you there, to say you were once a Christian means you know that Christ is the true Lord otherwise you did not know and was never a christian
You understand what I am saying? For example, I say I am a Christian because I know God, I know His Truth, I accepted His Son's sacrifice for our sins. In short, I know without a shadow of a doubt that God is real and is part of the reason I am christian now. No war is purely motivated by religion however things can be done because one was decieved into thinking he was doing the right thing like suicide bombers and such. However this does not discredit God but instead discredit mankind.
wishful thinking. if you put two people alone in a room, its natural for them to find something to fight about. and besides, religion is often just a means for nationalistic ambition and expansionism.
Who are you correcting..Yourself?! Palestine was taken from the Turks under a mandate to the British at the end of WW1. I've explained all my other points.
Shifoooo, why did you edit a section from the BBC doc 'The Other Side Of Suez' into the middle of this documentary? Let me guess..you thought it was biased that only Egypt was mentioned in buying weapons from the soviets, and no mention was made about Israel receiving weapons from the French? You crack me up! You should work for the Egyptian propaganda services! And why didn't Nasser do something original and make peace with Israel? The Jews and Arabs should live together in peace, sort it out!
this video includes parts from different documentaries (which the BBC documentary is one of them), whats strange in that?!!!
actually this is not the egyptian "propaganda",this is what was said by the BBC, I think its not Egyptian,hah!!
The Jews and Arabs should live together in peace, Nasser was ready to make that, I think u already watched the terroristic attacks that the mossad made in cairo in 1955, peace was nearly impossible with israel at that time.
Shifoooo, That segment between 6:21 and 6:59 is not part of the original doc, the editing is terrible. You added that section of footage from the Other BBC documentary!
And yes I am aware that 'The Other side of Suez' is a BBC doc, however, this is an American documentary maybe something from the discovery channel, but that wasn't even my point, the point is you adjusted it to make it favourable to the Arabs! That's why you should seek employment with the Egyptian Propaganda department!!
yes, I editted it, just to see the problem from all sides, unlike most of the documentaries that only shows the israeli side, I think if u don't like what I did, then u should make the same with the other israeli documentaries.
at least I didn't post something wrong, its all FACTS.
This documentary says that if Nasser had tried to make peace he probably would have been assassinated by his own people! IT'S PATHETIC! The Arab states claim their lands have been stolen by the Jews, but the Jews occupied those lands after leaving Egyptian slavery around 1220 BC during the reign of Ramses II, don't you think that's somewhat of a legitimate claim for the Jews to live in the region? Egypt should have tried to bring peace to the region, Nasser could have led the way but he didn't.
1st, u have to know that all the problems came with the jews arriving from all the world in 1948, before that , jews who lived in jerusalem (and even in Egypt) where living in peace.
the matter is not a religious conflict, its a western occupation, jerusalem is arab city, the 3 religions lived in it, why should we give it to the western occupiers?!!\
and don't talk about what theycall "the promised land", simply because God didn't order anyone to occupy others lands.
do u watch what happens with the palestinian civilians in Gaza today?!!
900+ killed and 4000+ wounded till now, is this the "peace" that the israelis want?! and please, don't say the useless word "Israel is defending itself"!!
Jewish doctrine can be quite ambiguous, so I wouldn't read too much into that line. And as you mentioned religion I'll share my view...I'm sure God would prefer it if both sides resolved their differences peacefully.
Shifoooo, Hamas terrorists fired rockets at innocent Israeli's, then Israel completely over reacts and bombs Gaza killing more innocents! It's difficult to take sides when both groups are in the wrong!
Solution could be to allow the UN into the region to act as a buffer between the protagonists, but then the UN forces were in the region between '56 and '67 until Nasser had them removed, then the six day war started!..Another great bit of leadership by Gamal!
First of all, I'm British not Jewish, during Britain's mandate over Palestine, British forces were attacked by the Jews and the Arabs, so I'm not taking sides with either group. Your so called "western occupation" is interesting..modern day Israel was established because the Jews were persecuted by the Nazi's and were seeking refuge in the lands were their ancestors had lived. The Arabs didn't want the Jews, but British policy was to establish a place for them..It had to be done!
AND, btw, great britain voted AGAINST u.n. partition creating israel. so how dumb of you to go back to balfour declaration of early 20th century -- which was later superceded by british white paper on palestine. you clearly don't know history (or scriptures either, i'd be willing to bet).
Balfour's decleration was an attempt to appease the Zionist lobby in the USA. However, It included a proviso 'that nothing would be done to prejudice the civil & religious rights of existing NON-Jewish communities in Palestine' Wishfull thinking from Balfour, but successive British Governments tried to find a balance between offending the Arabs & assisting the Jews, an impossible job, and ultimately why Britain handed things over to the UN & abandoned the mandate over Palestine. Take some notes!
AND, btw, Britain didn't vote against the partition of Isreal, because Britain didn't bloody vote! Britain abstained from voting, go away and do some reading!
are you daft, poohshoes? by that logic, americans should give back north america to native americans. it you want to be upset with people, try the christian west - europe in particular - who placed survivors of holocaust into displaced persons camps rather than return their homes & property of just FEW YEARS before. those of us who support israel have hard going sometimes because of idiots like you making ridiculous claims.
Tosser6868, If you took your head out of your arse you might discover that for many years the native American Indians fought for that very cause!! They failed to get the lands of their ancestors because they were wiped out by the American gov! The remnants of those people dwindle on reservations.
"Return their homes & property"?! How many Polish Jews were displaced during the war? Have you forgotten that Poland was taken over by Soviet Russia!? How the hell could the West repatriate them?
god, where to begin1. the romans kicked jews out of promised land but other indigenous people stayed (same ones jews displaced to take canaan). 2. the balfour declaration was written to the zionist federation of great britain and ireland. america had nothing to do with it 3. the un security council wouldn't pass mandate for partition (for all the abstentions), so un general assembly had to. 4. i lived & worked 8 years on navajo rez, so learn your own history before mangling ours, dumb brit,
What is your point!? Are you denying that the Jews claim be the indigenous people of what they refer to as the promised land? I've never said the Arab's don't have any claim to the region. It's certainly true about the Jews displacing the Canaanites. Again, what is your point on this?
FYI: The Balfour declaration was sent to Lord Rothschild (prominent leader of the British Jewish community), but it was NOT just intended for him, or just solely for British Jews, it's common knowledge that the main reason the Balfour document was written in 1917 was to encourage the Zionist lobby in the USA to put pressure on Washington to join Britain in WW1! I can't believe you don't understand that fact!
"the main reason the Balfour document was written in 1917 was to encourage the Zionist lobby in the USA to put pressure on Washington to join Britain in WW1!"
lol, really?? btw, do you have credible source for this claim?
B.Turners Book 'Suez 1956' published by Hoder & Stroughton Ltd. His opinion on this matter makes perfect sense, but you would probably choose to deny it, if it doesn't fit in with your dogmatic views.
Can you cite references that the UN Security council reached an impasse on the partition of Israel due to Britain's abstension? Although, your original coment was: "Great Britain voted AGAINST U.N. partition creating israel" .. an incorrect statement as like I said before BRITAIN DIDN'T VOTE!
you silly twit. suez 1956? are you daft? turner's "opinion"? cite his text to do with balfour declaration and american zionist lobby then.
11 abstentions (britain's among them). and partition couldn't be passed with majority of security council.,so general assembly took up the task. by the way, you know britain blockaded jewish immigration to palestine after ww2 -- right? or maybe turner didn't opine on that ... ;)
Enough of your technicalities with the UN security council, as I pointed out to you originally, Britain abstained from voting, maybe you need to check what the word abstain really means!
Britain tried to limit immigration during WW2. With Fascist Germany on the loose, British policy on the Palestine problem had to be altered to prevent an Arab uprising. Right or Wrong, Self preservation overrode the welfare of the Jews.
o yeah? then look up WHEN irgun blew up the king david hotel (british headquarter's in palestine) was that "during the war"? did the reflagged ship, exodus - full of jewish refugees - run the british blockade to be turned back to cyprus "during the war"? you do know when ww2 ended -- right? look it up then.
The text: "In early November 1917 British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour put his signature to a leter to lord Rothschild asuring him of his government's 'sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations' to the extent of supporting the the establisment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people'..This brave or mad attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable was intended to persuade the Zionist lobby in the USA to put pressure on Washington to enter the war. In this it may well have succeeded.."
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sorry, that's an assertion. hope he can support it. cuz otherwise, turner is as daft as you. it was sinking of the lusitania and german submarine warfare on our transatlantic shipping that decided wilson on war. he doesn't even address zionism or balfour until AFTER ww1 -- 1923 -- when he tacitly accepted both. he didn't support zionism, but was not against a jewish homeland if borders were prudently drawn.
did turner dig up -- and cite -- new documents with his secret decoder ring?
If you went to school in the States you probably think WW2 started in Dec 1941! However, Great Britain (predominately Christian during WW2) fought the Nazi's from '39-'45. After the Fall of France in June 1940, Britain (and the Empire) were the only people in the world fighting the Fascists!! British policy to prevent Jewish immigration into Palestine began in 1939 and carried on after the war as is well known. My original point was to help you understand the reasons behind the change in policy.
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i'm sorry, don't see how american education system has much to do with founding of israel, allied policy toward european jews, and british thwarting jewish refugees from immigrating to palestine AFTER ww2. but for the record, i probably know more about stalingrad, kursk and north african campaign than you do, you wet, marginally informed twit.
From what you've said so far you appear to be a very misinformed American Jew with unjustified grievences towards Britian and Christianity. You're obviously only interested in reading from source books that support your rather wild imagination. Britain left Palestine in 1948, if both Arab and Jew have been unable to resolve their issues in over 60 years, who really is to blame? You can't seriously think it's the British. You're comments are very disappointing.
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o yeah. as for "sources that support [my] rather wild imagination" -- find one OTHER source (besides "turner" - or someone CITING turner) who believes balfour declaration was attempt to bring america into ww1. go ahead. google your brains out, "scholar".
Are you American? I hope not, I have quite a number of American friends and I'm sure they would be embarrassed if I told them about your confused rantings!! Go and spend a few more years out in Navajo Rez and get your facts together!
i take it that means you have NO credible sources for your incredible claim (that balfour declaration was directed at AMERICAN zionists to bring america into ww1)...
"How many Polish Jews were displaced during the war? Have you forgotten that Poland was taken over by Soviet Russia!? How the hell could the West repatriate them?"
1. so you're saying only polish jews were in nearly a 100 displaced persons camps after ww2? 2. polish jews were all but wiped out! there were 7 nazi concentration/death camps in poland and polish christians happily shoveled their jewish neighbors into them.
you are too ignorant to take on such serious subjects.
I used Polish refugees as an example, it could easily have been East German, or any other nation that had a Jewish population prior to the Iron Curtain coming down. My point was: your comments about the west giving the Jews back their property and land etc. are ridculous considering how the world had changed after the war.
These comments are offensive to all the peoples (whatever the religion) that fought to liberate Europe from the Fascits. You should remove these comments, it's really bad taste.
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lol. switching subjects now? what i say offensive to YOU, because you want to put the blame for fate of jews after ww2 on america and arabs and everybody BUTwho controlled palestine during and after ww2 -- and resisted jewish immigration and statehood.
The blame for the Arab-Israeli conflict is totally on the heads of the belligerents. Britain was unable to act as a mediator in Palestine, the USA has done no better at the job. Your comments are offensive to all the people who fought against the Nazi's. If you are an American you should be ashamed of yourself. You're a disgrace to everything that America has tried to uphold.
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my father will be interested to know of your british view of american patriotism. pop was busy bombing japan in pacific, so i'm sure begs your pardon for not holding up his end in ww2. and there's his service in korea and vietnam, but none of that COUNTS as patriotic service if one doesn't salute union jack, apparently. yes, we yanks are ashamed. we didn't know what was good for us when we kicked your english asses out of the colonies...
Britain supported America in Korea, and politicaly in that dirty war in Vietnam, but I'm begining to wonder why we bother! It's not a good idea to piss off your allies, escpecially when you don't have many left. Your family probably wasn't even in America during the American revolution of 1776. Do some genealogy!
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lol. i take it this is your idea of strategic retreat -- throwing pots & pans now. and i'll "do" some genealogy when you "do" some serious history, word warrior ;)
@RichardElden The Jews fucked again the Arabs, as usual.
MrGiddeonn 1 week ago
@RichardElden lol egypt got its ass kicked, have you seen the tanks the egyptians left in the sania desert after Israel made them flee
SupremeARA915 3 months ago
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is this the last part????
naruto2710 3 months ago
4 pound a month ?? And that was good ?
KenitraR80 4 months ago
usa and britch and france and jew and wast vs egypt
egypt won
ahmedaamm 7 months ago
@ahmedaamm you idiot, it was the USA Soviet Union and China who stopped the Suez Canal Crisis. This was years before the USA reached current levels of support for Israel.
degen83 5 months ago
@ahmedaamm hahahahah! when? Israel beat the shit out of egypt
SupremeARA915 5 months ago
@SupremeARA915 haaaaaaaaa when in 1956
ahmedaamm 5 months ago
@ahmedaamm Egypt has never defeated Israel
SupremeARA915 5 months ago
@SupremeARA915 usa and uk and israel never defeeated egypt
ahmedaamm 5 months ago
@ahmedaamm hahaha keep dreaming
SupremeARA915 5 months ago
@ahmedaamm But they have controlled by installing puppets. So thats why they havent defeated egypt cuz they can controlled without fighting a war.
Burdock007 4 months ago
@ahmedaamm ; Israel defeated Egypt in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 wars. Britain attacked Egypt in 1965 together with France and Israel. The US never fought against Egypt. Go back and study history.
MrGiddeonn 1 week ago
@ahmedaamm Ha ha ha! Not only did Britain DEFEAT Egypt, but you became a British colony for nearly 100 years, and at Suez, we fucking raped the Egyptian army, and completely defeated Egypt again. It was only the bastard Americans who economically threatened us unless we withdrew that we decided to leave. Hardly an Egyptian victory? Nassar would have been hung unless the yanks intervened. Count yourself lucky.
TheLiberalKnight 1 week ago
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MarruecosMan 7 months ago
The bravery of the Jews and their determination to survive is incredibly inspiring.
1kkyu 10 months ago
@1kkyu THANK YOU somebody isn't bashing us.
Litterboxer529 10 months ago
Israelis - war mongering thugs
TheChutzpahGirl 10 months ago
Jews terrorist are called sabators and not terrorists : so this documentary is nothing but zionist propaganda
MarruecosMan 1 year ago 15
@MarruecosMan hey look who won in the face of all adversity
imagine360Community 1 year ago
@MarruecosMan In your own words, oh anti-Israel, pure Pro-Muslim, Anti-West loving piece of shit liberal.
Tyco200 1 year ago
@MarruecosMan clearly states the palestinian recruits were sent to Israel to gather intelligence and commit SABOTAGE. Balance your argument please
bambi140 8 months ago 3
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@MarruecosMan clearly states the palestinian recruits were sent to Israel to gather intelligence and commit SABOTAGE. Balance your argument please
bambi140 8 months ago
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poor poor hypocrite goto 4:52 and hear them calling the arabs a sabators too..
what would a low life natzi do to say bad word about israel and the jews..
now go fuck yourself faggot
tttBig 7 months ago in playlist J077 - Arab Israeli Wars
@tttBig listen faggot sub human rat as Nazis called you watch this rat jew in 534 is calling fedayin
terroristin
MarruecosMan 7 months ago
@MarruecosMan
listen bitch.
in 4:52 they called them sabators, i DON'T care how they called them after that.
you fag can TRY insulting me but i don't take inferior creatures words seriously.
now you should go back to fucking your father in the ass.
tttBig 7 months ago
@tttBig do nort tell me that they never did in video subhuman you should be put in death camp until you rot there enemy of humanity . you need another hitler to finish the job
MarruecosMan 7 months ago
@MarruecosMan
and you need a big cock in your mouth faggot
now buzz off
the world would be a better place without wortless people like you
tttBig 7 months ago
@tttBig you have nothing except insult . I proved that you are liar and hypocrite the people in vidoe did call arabs terrorists while jews were called sabotage
MarruecosMan 7 months ago
@MarruecosMan
go to 4:52
listen good
tttBig 7 months ago
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@tttBig go to 5.:34 and listen good. That rat jew is calling arabs sabators TERRORSTIN . you think you can get away with it because he said it in Hebrew and the translators in english did not translate to us .
MarruecosMan 7 months ago
@MarruecosMan not necessarily, there is a difference between a terrorist and a saboteur, just calling it zionist propaganda is incorrect
n17spurs 7 months ago
@MarruecosMan ; The Jew only sabotaged the terror actions of the Arab terrorists!
MrGiddeonn 1 week ago
@MrGiddeonn how do you know that or you are just making up a lie
MarruecosMan 6 days ago
oh look, jewish terrorists. hmm i wonder why israel never talks about that.
Evilfisher 1 year ago
@Evilfisher Lol, and? Look at the same people who went over the Israeli border to EXTERMINATE THEM. Ohhh, a few Jewish terrorists are a lot in comparison to the whole Arab scum against them!
Tyco200 1 year ago
@Evilfisher - why shouldn't they? they needed the neighbouring arab states to see that Israel won't be bullied or intimidated.
lector0003 10 months ago
Atheism should be preached to every motherfucker involved in this ridiculous conflict
farringtoodle 1 year ago
@farringtoodle lol atheist dont have a purpose because thier just random event in ta random galaxy all these people in this war have some thing to live for but i know your too pathetic to die for any thing
imagine360Community 1 year ago
@farringtoodle Yeah that worked well with your friends Mao & Stalin,these two atheists are responsible for the murder of over 100 million people. The only religion that says you die if not accept it's precepts Islam.
Gideon6640man 1 year ago
@Gideon6640man Yes I do apologise. My comment is not correct and I am sorry if it caused any offence. I am an atheist, but I appreciate that people are entitled to their own beliefs. I suppose if people didn't fight over religion they would find something else to fight over. I think the main point that I would like to make about the arab israeli conflict is that until both sides understand each others points of view, the conflict will not end. Both sides are as bad as eachother.
farringtoodle 7 months ago
@farringtoodle - Israel is based on secularism.
lector0003 10 months ago
@lector0003
Secularism is Atheism
TheChutzpahGirl 10 months ago
@TheChutzpahGirl - Nooo. Secularism is a separation between state and religion ...
lector0003 10 months ago
@lector0003
Secularism can mean the belief that religion should have no part in political affairs.
However, it also means the REJECTION of religion.
Israelis often proclaim their country to be secular, which is wrong unless, by ‘Jew’ they mean race, rather than religion.
TheChutzpahGirl 10 months ago
@TheChutzpahGirl - You're simply asserting several things:
(1) Could you link me to an academic journal or something that argues that secularism is atheism.
(2) Israel was established, historically, without invoking the Torah ... if you want to argue against Israel (because you dislike them) then fine, but that argument has no ground to it.
lector0003 10 months ago
@lector0003
Israel is not secular State. (The Torah was not needed to make the country religious.) The military power of the IDF is quite sufficient.
Israelis distance themselves from Orthodox Jews by describing themselves as secular – meaning, non-religious. This is the Israeli way to describe atheism. Only atheists feel a need to tell others of their non-belief.
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Even today in the year 2010. Don't trust them. If they think they can get away it, they will do it. No doubt about it their lust for killing and colonialism is still there.
Just go to a Italian police station and see the dead bodies of immigrants. While the white shits sip their coffee. Sick.
shussey100 1 year ago
Israelies = Terrorists
NecroCannibalTgal 1 year ago
2.20 egyptian citizens atacking their own ,..stupid
maybe in 67 the 1 million jews would not be expelled ,if this incident haddent being
georgel19841 1 year ago
is there no part 6?
shezzamanezza 1 year ago
WHAT EVER YOU SAY ISRAELI.......YOU STILL AS INVADER.....
muhasyim 1 year ago
@muhasyim
Yes, but what are you going to do about the invaders?
Perhaps pray to Allah for some camel pussy?
tumsabai1 1 year ago
israel is murders
lumbeewoman38 1 year ago
there are 2 key articles about nasser's breading of terrorists in gaza -
telegraph - We were brought up to hate - and we do
jpost - when egypt was in gaza
pushups2345 1 year ago
Jah bless Israel. Got mad respect for Moshe Dayan and Sharon. Great military generals.
SuperKenyanboy 1 year ago
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Sadat was wise. If Arafat was a brave and wise as Sadat, the tension would less or even gone.
kreplach2 2 years ago
Israel's call for peace has always been "hilarious". It's like someone breaking into your house, killing some of your kids, and banishing you to the backyard, THEN asking that you live in peace with him, without getting any of what is rightfully yours back (expect for a vague promise not to kill more of your kids at will)
Google for the "Palestinian exodus", read about the depopulation of Palestinian villages through genocidal acts of murder and terror.
KnightMD 2 years ago
as we see an Egyptian Jew is helping Israel to attack egypt, and that's how jews all over the world, they are loyal only to themselves not to the countries they belong to, therefore never trust a jew.
yassroa 2 years ago
That is very true.
tariqshawwa200 2 years ago
rofl Arabs are liars man (not all arabs but quite a few are due to Islam) they lie to their own people saying they are winning a war when they are in fact losing, they don't even acknowledge their own defeats lol. Please man, tell your lies elsewhere.
1989dman 2 years ago
It's not due to Islam ok we're told not to lie it's a sin to lie people are people.
themuslimburro 2 years ago
Islam is no different to Judeo-Christianity in that both worship something that does not exist. The evil of religion of any kind is that it admonishes a person from taking responsibility for their actions; any dreadful attrocity becomes OK if it is done in the name of 'God'. Jews and Muslims would probably get along just fine if they all became Athiest.......So, while you are talking of lies; be assured, religion is the biggest lie of all.
crocfme 2 years ago
1.) You must know nothing about Christianity to make that statement in the first place lol. 2.) Who said God condoned it? 3.) Don't be naive in thinking religion is a core reason for attrocities in the world. If there were only athiests then the reason would be simply greed, lust, jealousy etc. You are very naive however you are right religion is the biggest lie but God is not. In order for you to say God does not exist must mean you have evidence which you don't so think first :)
1989dman 2 years ago
I was a christian for over 20 years. After one pastor sexually assaulted my younger sister, I went to a different church where the minister attempted to seduce my wife, then insisted I was posessed by "demons" when I confronted him. Enough! I will never return to any religion and it is my mission in life to dissuade others from doing so.
Greed could never be motivation for a suicide bomber(who would want to be the richest corpse in the cemetary?) Martyrdom/S.B is a 100% religious phenomenen
dougyoolikeme 2 years ago
I wouldn't go into any religion myself however I would run to God which is what I did. You think when a human being calls himself a christian means he is one? If you been a christian for that long you would know that's not true. Mankind is prone to do evil, its how we are in this fallen state. What you've given me is a reason not to believe in a religion which I fully agree with however not a reason to turn your back on Christ. Its more than just a religion for me because I know God.
1989dman 2 years ago
Christ was a great man, perhaps the greatest man that ever lived. The Sermon on the mount, when closely scrutinised, actually contains the answers to every problem mankind has ever , and will ever encounter. If the definition of a Christian is one who respects Christ, then perhaps I still am a Christian..?, but the son of God?..He was the son of Joseph and Mary. A very gifted man and a better man than most, but just a man.
He would not tolerate all this bloodshed over religion....nor do I.
dougyoolikeme 2 years ago
A christian in the bible is defined as one who obeys Christ, one who has accepted Christ as Lord and Saviour and acknowledges that He's God/Son of God. True, He would not tolerate the bloodshed, also the Word has answers to all problems just up to the individual. By God's definition in His Word, you aren't a christian but at least you respect Him :) To say you are a Christian means you follow Christ which is why I call myself a Christian not because I simply go to church or say I'm a christian
1989dman 2 years ago
@1989dman
I am a Pagan, the original religion!!!!
tumsabai1 1 year ago
I am a christian because I had given my life over to Christ. I don't simply talk stuff, but I live my life by it. A christian has a total change of heart and will stick with Christ till the end of the race. The world's definition of a christian is not what it is in the Word and is why you have so many corrupt pastors, religions, etc. I promised God I would never turn my back on Him because of what man has done. I can't blame God for our mistakes. Humans are stupid creatures that's all.
1989dman 2 years ago
Don't be turned away from Christ because of what men has done claiming it was in Christ's name. Read the Word, know what Christ would do, and compare it to what you see and you'll know... they aren't saved. I was going through a similiar experience as you had because Christians can be hypocrites or so many fakes out here but I knew my God... I knew this wasn't holy otherwise I would be an atheist but Christ's power is greater than anything you and I will ever know. I pray you take the time :)
1989dman 2 years ago
"Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "GOD is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no god (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One(God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them." Quran 5:73
MrZanatty 2 years ago
@dougyoolikeme
I am the son of the Sun!!! All of you should worship me.
Paganism is the original religion.
tumsabai1 1 year ago
@tumsabai1 uh what is wrong with you?.pls get a hammer and start hammering your head.
Mega2010happy 1 year ago
@Mega2010happy
The prophet Muhammad was a camel fucker. Piss and Shit
be upon him!!!!
tumsabai1 1 year ago
@tumsabai1 you are lost and stay there.
Mega2010happy 1 year ago
@Mega2010happy
It is written in the stars that we shall fuck all Arab women in
their asses!!!
tumsabai1 1 year ago
I understand you're confusion and distrusting ministers and such but still, your mind must be focused on God, not men. If you went to church for the truth that men give then you were going for the wrong reason in the first place. You have to go there for God and by reading your statements here you went there because it was your religion not because God led you there, to say you were once a Christian means you know that Christ is the true Lord otherwise you did not know and was never a christian
1989dman 2 years ago
You understand what I am saying? For example, I say I am a Christian because I know God, I know His Truth, I accepted His Son's sacrifice for our sins. In short, I know without a shadow of a doubt that God is real and is part of the reason I am christian now. No war is purely motivated by religion however things can be done because one was decieved into thinking he was doing the right thing like suicide bombers and such. However this does not discredit God but instead discredit mankind.
1989dman 2 years ago
wishful thinking. if you put two people alone in a room, its natural for them to find something to fight about. and besides, religion is often just a means for nationalistic ambition and expansionism.
fromaworldcorrupted 2 years ago
Why did you edit this? This is very misleading and calls into question your motives. Leave the series alone !
mrblujet 2 years ago
why al the editing and adding?
THEMISTOCLESS 2 years ago
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correction: palestine was british protectorate BEFORE, during and after ww2 -- and resisted jewish immigration & statehood.
tessler6868 3 years ago
Who are you correcting..Yourself?! Palestine was taken from the Turks under a mandate to the British at the end of WW1. I've explained all my other points.
PoohShoes 3 years ago
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the turks?? we were talking about brits thwarting jewish immigration to palestine before, during & AFTER WW2. keep up.
tessler6868 3 years ago
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still waiting for that text.
tessler6868 3 years ago
Shifoooo, why did you edit a section from the BBC doc 'The Other Side Of Suez' into the middle of this documentary? Let me guess..you thought it was biased that only Egypt was mentioned in buying weapons from the soviets, and no mention was made about Israel receiving weapons from the French? You crack me up! You should work for the Egyptian propaganda services! And why didn't Nasser do something original and make peace with Israel? The Jews and Arabs should live together in peace, sort it out!
PoohShoes 3 years ago
PoohShoes, what do you want?!!
this video includes parts from different documentaries (which the BBC documentary is one of them), whats strange in that?!!!
actually this is not the egyptian "propaganda",this is what was said by the BBC, I think its not Egyptian,hah!!
The Jews and Arabs should live together in peace, Nasser was ready to make that, I think u already watched the terroristic attacks that the mossad made in cairo in 1955, peace was nearly impossible with israel at that time.
shifoooo 3 years ago
Shifoooo, That segment between 6:21 and 6:59 is not part of the original doc, the editing is terrible. You added that section of footage from the Other BBC documentary!
And yes I am aware that 'The Other side of Suez' is a BBC doc, however, this is an American documentary maybe something from the discovery channel, but that wasn't even my point, the point is you adjusted it to make it favourable to the Arabs! That's why you should seek employment with the Egyptian Propaganda department!!
PoohShoes 3 years ago
yes, I editted it, just to see the problem from all sides, unlike most of the documentaries that only shows the israeli side, I think if u don't like what I did, then u should make the same with the other israeli documentaries.
at least I didn't post something wrong, its all FACTS.
shifoooo 3 years ago
@shifoooo holy shit.. you edited the documentary. Good job on losing credibility.
dschlac1 1 year ago
This documentary says that if Nasser had tried to make peace he probably would have been assassinated by his own people! IT'S PATHETIC! The Arab states claim their lands have been stolen by the Jews, but the Jews occupied those lands after leaving Egyptian slavery around 1220 BC during the reign of Ramses II, don't you think that's somewhat of a legitimate claim for the Jews to live in the region? Egypt should have tried to bring peace to the region, Nasser could have led the way but he didn't.
PoohShoes 3 years ago
1st, u have to know that all the problems came with the jews arriving from all the world in 1948, before that , jews who lived in jerusalem (and even in Egypt) where living in peace.
the matter is not a religious conflict, its a western occupation, jerusalem is arab city, the 3 religions lived in it, why should we give it to the western occupiers?!!\
and don't talk about what theycall "the promised land", simply because God didn't order anyone to occupy others lands.
shifoooo 3 years ago
do u watch what happens with the palestinian civilians in Gaza today?!!
900+ killed and 4000+ wounded till now, is this the "peace" that the israelis want?! and please, don't say the useless word "Israel is defending itself"!!
shifoooo 3 years ago
and could u plz illustrate what is meant by "Israel feom Nile to Ephurates" thats writen in the israeli kinneset?!!
shifoooo 3 years ago
Jewish doctrine can be quite ambiguous, so I wouldn't read too much into that line. And as you mentioned religion I'll share my view...I'm sure God would prefer it if both sides resolved their differences peacefully.
PoohShoes 3 years ago
Shifoooo, Hamas terrorists fired rockets at innocent Israeli's, then Israel completely over reacts and bombs Gaza killing more innocents! It's difficult to take sides when both groups are in the wrong!
Solution could be to allow the UN into the region to act as a buffer between the protagonists, but then the UN forces were in the region between '56 and '67 until Nasser had them removed, then the six day war started!..Another great bit of leadership by Gamal!
PoohShoes 3 years ago
First of all, I'm British not Jewish, during Britain's mandate over Palestine, British forces were attacked by the Jews and the Arabs, so I'm not taking sides with either group. Your so called "western occupation" is interesting..modern day Israel was established because the Jews were persecuted by the Nazi's and were seeking refuge in the lands were their ancestors had lived. The Arabs didn't want the Jews, but British policy was to establish a place for them..It had to be done!
PoohShoes 3 years ago
AND, btw, great britain voted AGAINST u.n. partition creating israel. so how dumb of you to go back to balfour declaration of early 20th century -- which was later superceded by british white paper on palestine. you clearly don't know history (or scriptures either, i'd be willing to bet).
tessler6868 3 years ago
Balfour's decleration was an attempt to appease the Zionist lobby in the USA. However, It included a proviso 'that nothing would be done to prejudice the civil & religious rights of existing NON-Jewish communities in Palestine' Wishfull thinking from Balfour, but successive British Governments tried to find a balance between offending the Arabs & assisting the Jews, an impossible job, and ultimately why Britain handed things over to the UN & abandoned the mandate over Palestine. Take some notes!
PoohShoes 3 years ago
AND, btw, Britain didn't vote against the partition of Isreal, because Britain didn't bloody vote! Britain abstained from voting, go away and do some reading!
PoohShoes 3 years ago
are you daft, poohshoes? by that logic, americans should give back north america to native americans. it you want to be upset with people, try the christian west - europe in particular - who placed survivors of holocaust into displaced persons camps rather than return their homes & property of just FEW YEARS before. those of us who support israel have hard going sometimes because of idiots like you making ridiculous claims.
tessler6868 3 years ago
Tosser6868, If you took your head out of your arse you might discover that for many years the native American Indians fought for that very cause!! They failed to get the lands of their ancestors because they were wiped out by the American gov! The remnants of those people dwindle on reservations.
"Return their homes & property"?! How many Polish Jews were displaced during the war? Have you forgotten that Poland was taken over by Soviet Russia!? How the hell could the West repatriate them?
PoohShoes 3 years ago
god, where to begin1. the romans kicked jews out of promised land but other indigenous people stayed (same ones jews displaced to take canaan). 2. the balfour declaration was written to the zionist federation of great britain and ireland. america had nothing to do with it 3. the un security council wouldn't pass mandate for partition (for all the abstentions), so un general assembly had to. 4. i lived & worked 8 years on navajo rez, so learn your own history before mangling ours, dumb brit,
tessler6868 3 years ago
What is your point!? Are you denying that the Jews claim be the indigenous people of what they refer to as the promised land? I've never said the Arab's don't have any claim to the region. It's certainly true about the Jews displacing the Canaanites. Again, what is your point on this?
PoohShoes 3 years ago
FYI: The Balfour declaration was sent to Lord Rothschild (prominent leader of the British Jewish community), but it was NOT just intended for him, or just solely for British Jews, it's common knowledge that the main reason the Balfour document was written in 1917 was to encourage the Zionist lobby in the USA to put pressure on Washington to join Britain in WW1! I can't believe you don't understand that fact!
PoohShoes 3 years ago
"the main reason the Balfour document was written in 1917 was to encourage the Zionist lobby in the USA to put pressure on Washington to join Britain in WW1!"
lol, really?? btw, do you have credible source for this claim?
tessler6868 3 years ago
B.Turners Book 'Suez 1956' published by Hoder & Stroughton Ltd. His opinion on this matter makes perfect sense, but you would probably choose to deny it, if it doesn't fit in with your dogmatic views.
Can you cite references that the UN Security council reached an impasse on the partition of Israel due to Britain's abstension? Although, your original coment was: "Great Britain voted AGAINST U.N. partition creating israel" .. an incorrect statement as like I said before BRITAIN DIDN'T VOTE!
PoohShoes 3 years ago
you silly twit. suez 1956? are you daft? turner's "opinion"? cite his text to do with balfour declaration and american zionist lobby then.
11 abstentions (britain's among them). and partition couldn't be passed with majority of security council.,so general assembly took up the task. by the way, you know britain blockaded jewish immigration to palestine after ww2 -- right? or maybe turner didn't opine on that ... ;)
tessler6868 3 years ago
Enough of your technicalities with the UN security council, as I pointed out to you originally, Britain abstained from voting, maybe you need to check what the word abstain really means!
Britain tried to limit immigration during WW2. With Fascist Germany on the loose, British policy on the Palestine problem had to be altered to prevent an Arab uprising. Right or Wrong, Self preservation overrode the welfare of the Jews.
PoohShoes 3 years ago
o yeah? then look up WHEN irgun blew up the king david hotel (british headquarter's in palestine) was that "during the war"? did the reflagged ship, exodus - full of jewish refugees - run the british blockade to be turned back to cyprus "during the war"? you do know when ww2 ended -- right? look it up then.
tessler6868 3 years ago
Turners educated opinion is more valid than yours. his text is on page 50 of his book, look it up chum!
PoohShoes 3 years ago
the text please, not page numbers. pm me if you like -- but ya got NUTHIN.
tessler6868 3 years ago
The text: "In early November 1917 British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour put his signature to a leter to lord Rothschild asuring him of his government's 'sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations' to the extent of supporting the the establisment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people'..This brave or mad attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable was intended to persuade the Zionist lobby in the USA to put pressure on Washington to enter the war. In this it may well have succeeded.."
PoohShoes 3 years ago
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sorry, that's an assertion. hope he can support it. cuz otherwise, turner is as daft as you. it was sinking of the lusitania and german submarine warfare on our transatlantic shipping that decided wilson on war. he doesn't even address zionism or balfour until AFTER ww1 -- 1923 -- when he tacitly accepted both. he didn't support zionism, but was not against a jewish homeland if borders were prudently drawn.
did turner dig up -- and cite -- new documents with his secret decoder ring?
tessler6868 3 years ago
If you went to school in the States you probably think WW2 started in Dec 1941! However, Great Britain (predominately Christian during WW2) fought the Nazi's from '39-'45. After the Fall of France in June 1940, Britain (and the Empire) were the only people in the world fighting the Fascists!! British policy to prevent Jewish immigration into Palestine began in 1939 and carried on after the war as is well known. My original point was to help you understand the reasons behind the change in policy.
PoohShoes 3 years ago
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i'm sorry, don't see how american education system has much to do with founding of israel, allied policy toward european jews, and british thwarting jewish refugees from immigrating to palestine AFTER ww2. but for the record, i probably know more about stalingrad, kursk and north african campaign than you do, you wet, marginally informed twit.
tessler6868 3 years ago
From what you've said so far you appear to be a very misinformed American Jew with unjustified grievences towards Britian and Christianity. You're obviously only interested in reading from source books that support your rather wild imagination. Britain left Palestine in 1948, if both Arab and Jew have been unable to resolve their issues in over 60 years, who really is to blame? You can't seriously think it's the British. You're comments are very disappointing.
PoohShoes 3 years ago 7
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o yeah. as for "sources that support [my] rather wild imagination" -- find one OTHER source (besides "turner" - or someone CITING turner) who believes balfour declaration was attempt to bring america into ww1. go ahead. google your brains out, "scholar".
tessler6868 3 years ago
Are you American? I hope not, I have quite a number of American friends and I'm sure they would be embarrassed if I told them about your confused rantings!! Go and spend a few more years out in Navajo Rez and get your facts together!
PoohShoes 3 years ago
i take it that means you have NO credible sources for your incredible claim (that balfour declaration was directed at AMERICAN zionists to bring america into ww1)...
just what i thought ;)
tessler6868 3 years ago
and this:
"How many Polish Jews were displaced during the war? Have you forgotten that Poland was taken over by Soviet Russia!? How the hell could the West repatriate them?"
1. so you're saying only polish jews were in nearly a 100 displaced persons camps after ww2? 2. polish jews were all but wiped out! there were 7 nazi concentration/death camps in poland and polish christians happily shoveled their jewish neighbors into them.
you are too ignorant to take on such serious subjects.
tessler6868 3 years ago
I used Polish refugees as an example, it could easily have been East German, or any other nation that had a Jewish population prior to the Iron Curtain coming down. My point was: your comments about the west giving the Jews back their property and land etc. are ridculous considering how the world had changed after the war.
PoohShoes 3 years ago
100 displaced persons camps in american, british and italian zones -- NOT "behind iron curtain".
so who was in them ;)
tessler6868 3 years ago
These comments are offensive to all the peoples (whatever the religion) that fought to liberate Europe from the Fascits. You should remove these comments, it's really bad taste.
PoohShoes 3 years ago
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lol. switching subjects now? what i say offensive to YOU, because you want to put the blame for fate of jews after ww2 on america and arabs and everybody BUTwho controlled palestine during and after ww2 -- and resisted jewish immigration and statehood.
tessler6868 3 years ago
The blame for the Arab-Israeli conflict is totally on the heads of the belligerents. Britain was unable to act as a mediator in Palestine, the USA has done no better at the job. Your comments are offensive to all the people who fought against the Nazi's. If you are an American you should be ashamed of yourself. You're a disgrace to everything that America has tried to uphold.
PoohShoes 3 years ago
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my father will be interested to know of your british view of american patriotism. pop was busy bombing japan in pacific, so i'm sure begs your pardon for not holding up his end in ww2. and there's his service in korea and vietnam, but none of that COUNTS as patriotic service if one doesn't salute union jack, apparently. yes, we yanks are ashamed. we didn't know what was good for us when we kicked your english asses out of the colonies...
tessler6868 3 years ago
Britain supported America in Korea, and politicaly in that dirty war in Vietnam, but I'm begining to wonder why we bother! It's not a good idea to piss off your allies, escpecially when you don't have many left. Your family probably wasn't even in America during the American revolution of 1776. Do some genealogy!
PoohShoes 3 years ago
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lol. i take it this is your idea of strategic retreat -- throwing pots & pans now. and i'll "do" some genealogy when you "do" some serious history, word warrior ;)
tessler6868 3 years ago
ehhhhhhhhh oh yes my dearest friend israeli still belive that palestine is their promissed land and arabs must go out and for they use dirty methods
thanks for comments and for caring about our brothers and sisters in palestine
nouna182 3 years ago
thanks for your comments , wait for the next parts.
shifoooo 3 years ago
man where's the rest ? did u put them or u will put them or not , i dnt notice part 6 or part 7
7oodaelmasry 3 years ago
what!!!
the rest of the documentary is uploaded under the names of:
"The Reasons Behind The Arab Defeat In 1967 War"-----4 parts
"Yom Kippur war 1973: The Egypian revenge"---also 4 parts
shifoooo 3 years ago
شريف هو مفيش عن حرب 73 ؟
Aratopia 3 years ago
فيه, بس لسه في الأجزاء اللي جايه ان شاء الله.
shifoooo 3 years ago
good documentary nice work
gangsteregypt 3 years ago