Abortion kills a fetus. And yes, a fetus is innocent. In the same way that a tumor is innocent. Neither one chooses to be where they are and do what they do. A fetus is not a person and unless it is wanted, which means that it'd make a person happy, it has the same value as a tumor: none.
The death penalty kills CRIMINALS. War targets those who HATE Americans and what America stands for. Freedom isn't free. As for abortion, that is the murder of an innocent CHILD, note the words... innocent child.
tmarie423 , you're a fundamentlist American that's unable to think for herself & simply repeats whatever she's heard from older people since she was a kid. (Yes, I know you're older than me, save it.) So you think (well, we know that you actually do NOT think...) that hating America (which is only normal) makes people deserving of having their limbs torn off?
Whoever is pro-death penalty but against abortion proves that pro-li(f)e is not about life but about politics and religion.
So in the end, some might think it's crazy that you defend the death of a a person who deserves it(such as a person who kills children), but you don't mind the killing of innocent unborn babies. One might say that if you condone the killing of innocent unborn children, then you should condone the killing of prisoners on death row, and you should also condone the killing of soldiers in any war.
As for me, I'm both pro choice and pro life. Once something has a beating heart it's a living thing
I think the point is that people who are on death row are people who've slaughtered and raped children and such. They deserve death. Whereas unborn children are innocent. I can see both sides of the argument. And as for the "civilian deaths" argument, you're way off. I'm just as much against the war as anybody else, but civilian deaths are pretty low compared to any other war. I think you need to read a history book before you make anymore ridiculous comments.
turinab , am i supposed to take you seriously and debate with you after how you just contradicted yourself? one post peple deserve to die, the other post nobody does. You don't even have an opinion.
supercop : Name one war in which no innocent people were killed. You can't. As a matter of fact, the most innocent people are almost always the ones that end up suffering the most. But if you think it's not so, throw me some names, times and places.
I am also pro choice, but you do come across as a little ignorant. The language that you use like fuck all the time it makes you sound uneducated. And the facts you give about world war two and America sound like you are uninformed, and some of the arguments that you present aren't based on fact but based on speculation and propaganda. I'm pro choice too but your video had no effect on me.
And I don't know what kind of comment that is..but it isn't german. I speak German and my oma is straight from Germany. Maybe you just speak as poorly as you spell, etc. No offense.
pSyder : LOL,I think I know where my accent comes from. I was born in Germany&I live in Germany&I probably have a German accent then,huh?! I lived in Canada though,too(13-21)&I ran into a few people like you there that didn't understand that all white people in North America have European ancestors. But if you can speak German then I think we should speak German with eachother. It's not like you have to worry about embarrassing yourself, right?!
If you want to make a point you should probably stop being so hostile. You come off as being bitter about your own decisions. BTW your assumptions are VERY ignorant. You need to find a middle ground. IT's pretty hard to take you seriously...esp. with that awful accent. WTF kind of accent is that anyway?
PrincessSpyder : That's a German accent. Shouln't be a problem though because everyone can understand me. You just commented on my profile and explained how you had an abortion against your will. That makes YOU not hard but impossible to take seriously. You canot be legally forced to abort,but your personality is apparently so weak that you aborted against your will because someone else wanted it. Could it be that your problem is not WHAT I think but rather THAT I think for myzself? LOL Victim.
No one forced me...what I meant was that it was against what I wanted but unfortunately I had a medical risk. Have a little bit of common sense. If you are going to ask people stupid questions asking them how they can justify war, the death penalty, etc...you should probably ask yourself the same thing about you getting pregnant and having an abortion just because you "don't want children". You're the hypocrite that you are trying to "preach" about. BTW, it's spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.
pspyder : Oh,so now you say that you aborted for medical reasons. LOL Well,I guess it could be considered that because your lack of personality is probably so great that it is pathological. LOL Opfer!
Fen, U say pro choice but then u say anti abortion. The term is PRO LIFE. & u are right-abortion should be legal but only for dope feind witches (yr words) such as yrself. We don't need any more dope babies in the world. & u wait honey, yr young now, but, it'll come back someday & bite u in the ass & u won't know what hit u. BTW, review yr history. it was GERMANY that blitzed London's CITIZENS. My mom lived thru that for years as a young girl. Germany got bombed bad too-just what it deserved.
carriebg, the "wait until you get older thing" is so worn down. As far as I can think back I never ever wanted children. People would harrass me&tell me I'd change my mind in puberty,the they'd say as a teen, the they'd say as an adult, the they'd say that once (if) I get pregnant I will change it& will just fall in love withthe idea of being a mom. NO! When I found out I was pregnant I already was an adult&the only things I did were puke, feel disgusted&make sure to get an abortion asap.
and FYI your taxes are more likely going to help a pedophile live in protective custody than to help a woman have an abortion. Some state medical insurances won't even approve of such a thing. I don't know about all states, but I do know that the 'welfare' medical here doesn't help with getting an abortion, women have to pay out of pocket for that. They will, however help with birth control, or a ligation which neither are 100 percent reliable.
It's alot different when the disable 'child' is already born. There are tests you can have done in the first trimester to determine whether or not your child is disabled. So, it is wrong to euthanise an infant that was already born, compared to a fetus only four to six weeks gestation. One was given life, the other can't survive on its own. Do you see my point now?
Abortion may be morally wrong, but it's legally right, because a woman's rights supercedes the fetus. For the first four months of gestation if a fetus were to be born, there is no way it would survive on its own. Now, when you get later into the pregnancy, the chances for the fetus to survive goes up. I am more against late-term abortion, which is still being practiced. Did you know that euthenisation of severly disabled infants has been okay'd across the ocean? SICK.
We can all agree and disagree over the war. Yes, tons of hypocrites in the world. Many pro-life advocates also believe other bad things, but, after it's all said and done abortion is still the killing of babies. It's wrong. How can anything be more obvious? Abortion can still be wrong even if all the right-wing/christian/republican/war-loving haters never existed. It's a separate issue.
A few points to disagree on. Not all pro-lifers are religious, Im an athiest. I dont see how you can even compair the murder of an innocent child,denied the basic human right to live, to a peron who chose to commit crimes so heinous that the only punishment ppl found was death. That comment is asinine. IF abortion was just a womans choice then why are men who didnt want kids forced to pay child support but cant force her to abort? I dont want MY TAX"S going to abortion, wheres my choice?
You will be in hell for rejecting Jesus Christ and His Holy Law in your promotion of murdering helpless unborn babies. You are the hypocrite, you think it is ok to murder helpless babies for no reason at all, yet, you don't believe in the death penalty.
I have read the bible, be it man-made, and nowhere does it state that it is a sin to have an abortion. It says "Thou shalt not kill" If that applies to fetuses, then it should apply to animals as well. Think about it before you take a bite of that big, juicy burger.
Some people try to justify abortion by claiming that the result of conception, at least up to a certain number of days, cannot yet be considered a personal human life. But in fact, "from the time that the ovum is fertilized, a life is begun which is neither that of the father nor the mother; it is rather the life of a new human being with his own growth. It would never be made human if it were not human already.
You pick an argument with me (which nobody asked you to do), then you keep writing back, but never once contribute any substance to a "discussion".
Is this the best you "believers" have? An arrogant, angry, illiterate blah blah person? Have you no trained speakers? Any knowledgeable debaters who can at least offer a formidable opposition?
Count the cost before going to battle! Pat Robertson knows better than to EVER run for President again. Dan Quale jumped ship quickly, as well.
People who find the Bible to be FALSE and man-made don't necessarily share the Scriptural ignorance of the overwhelming majority those who profess to be "believers".
Most Christians don't ever read in the Bible, and very few have read all of it. Catholics are never encouraged to read Scriptures, it's all pre-chewed for them, and peppered with terms that aren't even in the Bible.
Don't challenge an intellectual atheist to a match on Bible knowledge. You're likely to lose!
I completely agree. I'm not an atheist, but I don't beleive what's written in the bible to be true, because it's 'man-made'. It doesn't sway my beleif in God, though.
That sounds good. I think it's perfectly OK for people to have variations of beliefs. I may consider myself an atheist, but more than that I believe in some kind of force for good, like Karma.
My philosophy is to follow the Golden Rule. I treat others with respect. I am kind and generous. I am the kind of person I would want others to be. Life has been good to me, and I believe most of this can be attributed to a cheerful attitude.
Good things happen to people who do good things. Karma?
Your response places conditions on doing good things. You are saying "If nothing good comes from doing good things, then why should I do good?". Your attitude is that of a spoiled child who won't listen to a parent unless rewarded.
I do good things because that's the right thing to do. I also enjoy doing good without anyone knowing or ever finding out.
Sorry, but my own benefit is not my first thought when I do good deeds. My own happiness is a byproduct that I don't demand, it just happens.
You seem to have misunderstood me, I didn't say that you shouldn't do good things in the world, but I was simply saying that sometimes people who are do-gooders, like you and me, have bad things happen to them.
I can't simply close my eyes to all the world, just because I am happy for helping others, and yes, I do feel that my happiness is a 'reward' for my good actions. If that makes me 'childish' so be it.
Yes, bad things happen. Bad things happen to good people, too. Good things happen to bad people. Being a good person makes you more likely to have good things happen to you.
Being a good person, doing good things, comes natural to people whose main interest is to be and do good. Only people who look for their own advantage first count the cost before worrying about others.
We are born with common sense and knowing right from wrong. People who do wrong do so knowingly, and usually secretly.
You can make abortions illegal, and all you will have done is create a long line of "criminals". Why not make it a crime to be in possession of tobacco products? Or coffee? Or chocolate? Why not enforce a strict curfue - nobody allowed outside after 10pm?
We have plenty of laws on the books, and a few that could be thrown out. Adding abortion to the list of felonies makes no sense. Abortions won't be eliminated.
Pro-lifers puzzle me. In truth they should call themselves Anti-choice, because in effect that is what they are doing; taking away the option for a woman to have an operation which can be dangerous if done by unskilled people (I dont know much about abortion i admit, it wasnt covered in my biosciences degree).
As for foetus's, is it not a perogative that the world they will come into must be cleaned up first? whats the point of a baby coming into the world and dying soon after? there is none.
On that note, i am sad Pro-lifers dont try and find a way to allow woman the right to choose to have a baby or not. If people put money in research to keep blastocyst, zygote, or embryos frozen so that rather than killing them, they can be put into freeze so surrogates who want children can have them? Its more productive than harrassing or assaulting people who have or provide the service and means women still have the right to choose...
Despite the formidable obstacles before us, we must not lose heart. This is not the first time our country has been divided by a Supreme Court decision that denied the value of certain human lives. The Dred Scott decision of 1857 was not overturned in a day, or a year, or even a decade. At first, only a minority of Americans recognized and deplored the moral crisis brought about by denying the full humanity of our black brothers and sisters;
When it comes to death, I'm totally for it: Capital Punishment, Abortion, and Euthanasia. Conservatives aren't really against abortion, they are just tapdancing for the religious types. Godless Capitalists in the Republican Party could care less about homos or abortion.
THANK YOU! i am glad someone else realized(sp?)this. On the one hand are the super rich powerful neocons and right wingers who want to stay that way (who really don't care about these social issues) and on the other hand are the dupped "joe six packs" who are voting agasint their own economic interests just because the rich neocons told them boogeyman stories about the scary abortions/homos/minorities/atheists/whatever I am also very pro-death haha
and my apologies for saying i was pro-life earlier, i was in a rage b/c of the garbage she was spitting during that whole America kills civilians and my dyslexia kicked in, im actually pro-choice. Let me clarify, im not saying America doesnt kill innocent civilians, that sux for them, but that is war, and war is something we as humans are good at; war is hell and shit happens.
and what the hell saying England killed more civilians in WWII??? Germany bombed the hell out of England's major cities, England just returned the favor. The Soviet Union was probably responsible for the most civilian deaths. Do you have any idea how many political opponents of Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Gorbachev, and other Soviet leaders since the rise of the Soviet Union have been executed or put into political camps to work. What about the Holocaust lady? all of the Jews the Nazi's killed?
yeah im pro-life, but what she is saying about America being the number one killer of innocent civilians throughout the history of war is absolute bs... look up the rape of Nanking you dumb bitch, how about the crusades where both Christian armies and Muslim armies killed countless numbers of pilgrims of the opposite religion. In fact the only thing that puts the US on the map for high civilian death is the atomic bombs at Hiroshima/Nagasaki, which actually sparred the lives of many more people.
"It is only if human life is respected from conception to death that the ethics of peace is also possible and credible," concluded the Pope. "It is only then that non-violence can express itself in every direction; only then that we truly welcome creation, and only then that we can arrive at true justice." Pope Benedict XVI
"It is only if human life is respected from conception to death that the ethics of peace is also possible and credible," concluded the Pope. "It is only then that non-violence can express itself in every direction; only then that we truly welcome creation, and only then that we can arrive at true justice." Pope Benedict XVI
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.
"Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government," she said. "They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or sovereign. Mother Teresa
What makes you think she doesn't? Do you think women just go get abortions done on a whim without knowing exactly what it entails? Do you think they do not research it in depth and are fully aware of the consequences of her actions? Or do you think that by holding a banner up of a dead fetus you are not only enlightening her but also somehow saving her from her own ignorance?!...Give me a break!!!
Deanclark68 planned parenthood dont just give out abortions to who ever walk in. They give counseling, paps, condoms and hiv test. Without them there would be alot more people dead and more child abuse and child deaths so who is pro death again?? Pro Life stands for pro death. What business is of yours what a woman does, if your worried about teens then maybe there parents need parenting class cause their kid doesnt come to them with there problems, PP has that too.
I certainly do not promote abortion. I would urge women who are considering it to explore all other avenues. It's certainly not the easy option. But, it has to be the woman and not the law who chooses what is right for her!
Oh Brittnie, the soldier you happen to love wouldn't be your partner/husband would it? Darling, why don't you take your head out the clouds, go home and ask your husband what it is his troop are actually trained to do! That comment tells me all i need to know about you!
i unfortunately am really pressed for time right now and can only quickly fly over the comments right now but í have to take the sec to say YES clairer you hit the nail on the head. Against abortion but taking pride in other people,such as that soldier,killing to make a living. THANK YOU!!
You are free to believe and act as you please. Please just remember that one day we will have to give an account of our life to a Holy and Righteous God.
Englmufin -MayB U will have 2 explain Y U abused God's name 2 serve UR purpose, portraying Him 2B such a foolish,prejudice,judgemental,hateful liar as that he would condone the pro-li(f)e cult & their vicious POLITICAL ideas that R (poorly) disguised by claims of love for humanity &the same religious babble that was already used in the M.A. 2 allow a small 'high group' 2 control a huge 'lower group' by spreading lies,hatred &total disregard for human rights and freedom 'in the name of God'.
Englmufin, just so I don't forget telling you: I was an adult when I became pregnant and I was and still am very happy that I aborted. Now I am (obviously) older than I was back then, and since I don't want kids I will still abort any pregnancy that may come to be. So? Am I a particularily immature person that should spend life without being in any fulfilled relationship or am I like really 14? Well?
holygirl ,tried responding to you a few times now but my repy keeps being eaten up. "could of" ... I laughed but I'll leave it alone. To answer your Q, no, I don't think having an abortion was wrong,I won't think it's wrong if I have yet another one,and if you want to pray for me then have fun and in turn I will pray for you,too.
Tried to adopt but not sucessful? No doubt those children will spend the rest of their life in limbo! How nice to know your mother chose drugs over you! And are you going to sit there and tell me those children are not affected?
Are you implying that it would be better to be dead than to feel unwanted by a parent? These kids are resiliant! They know that they are loved by my husband and myself and the past doesn't dictate who you become. God has a plan for each of our lives. We can do anything and be anything with His love and help.
It would be better to not have been born, it can't hurt or affect them they are unaware of it. I'm not sure you could ever refer to an early fetus as alive either. Is a person a life supposrt machine alive? No! the life support machine is doing all the work...switch that off and the person dies! A fetus doesn't even breathe until it's born!
life begins at conception , also do not come at me with what if I was raped? can I abort? No Two wrongs make a wrong not a right so either raise the child or put up for the miracle of adoption
I'm sorry, where did i say anything about rape? Rape alone would not make me abort that pregnancy if i wanted it, but if i didn't then i would excercise my right to do so...sure i would! You only worry about having to answer to God if you believe in one! Me, i believe we were made by science and we can be ended by science...same goes for fetuses too!
A fetus isn't alive?? omg o wait an early fetus isn't. haha So how can a person or fetus die if it isn't alive?? "A person on a life support machine isn't alive, but if you shut it off it dies!!!" haha Are you retarded?
Are you retarded? It's a figure of speech, not meant to be taken in the literal sense, any normal person would see that! Technically, the person or the fetus isn't alive but they just appear to be! Are you saying that i am incorrect in saying that? Can you tell me WHY i'm incorrect or do you have nothing useful to add to the debate other than spell checking peoples spelling mistakes and googling their questions? SAD!!!
brittnie you contradict yourself so much that taking you seriously is not an option, not even for those that would be able to overlook your poor English and dull remarks. Go read your own comments. Until you didn't know what to say anymore you were pretty proud of "your soldier" and what he does. Now suddenly it's all bad? LOL!
^^^Oh look brittnie, just as i thought!...i never actually said a fetus dies, i said a person on a life support machine does! And i am not incorrect in that statement, because a person on alife support machine is in fact still alive but will die after the life machine has been switched off!
What would you rather? Millions of orphans running around? There is only so much support one woman can give on a certain amount of income, abortion is a means to an end. We do not live in some eutopia, this is the real world and compared to the amount of suffering many of these children would go through, abortion is the easy option for all parties, believe me!
The term pro-choice is a cop out for little girls who made big girl choices and don't want to live with the results. Life is full of choices, death doesn't have to be one of them.
how many who have abortions are married, grown women? you want to adopt a child?...go adopt one of the thousands who are in childrens homes and foster care, just waiting for someone to choose them! Or are they too old? you want a cute little baby that looks like you, that you can convince people is your own? How selfish is that?!
I'm so glad you know so much about my life. I am married and have 3 foster children in my home right now ranging from 6-16. I have tried to adopt all 3 of them. They have mothers who want drugs more than them and have been in limbo for years. Its not about what or who they look like. Having any child is a wonderful, God-given blessing. How easy is it to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, keep a baby if its what you want, or if you don't want it, give it up for adoption? Murder is unnecessary!!
clairer2282, I don't have the exact figures in mind right now, concerning the groups of women that get abortions, but I can tell you that a noteable portion of them is married and the majority of them all are adults. i can look the figures up again if anybody wants to know the exact portions. As for your comment on selfish people wanting newborns and not caring about the many kids in the system... I second you on that.
Englmufin ! LOLOLOL "big girl choices" ... I looked at your profile beause I was curious whether you are a kid trying to sound grown up or an adult having frustration dripping from her. According to your "logic" adulthood equals willingness to become a mother. Ridiculous. If you want to talk "big girl choices" you should clue in that "big girls" know what they want and choose accordingly.
My husband and I work with women that are in jails and prison. It is so fustrating because choices we make don't just affect us. The women I talked with in jail this morning have children that are being taken care of by either the state of Ohio or by grandparents while they do their time. I could argue with you ladies all day, but it wouldn't get us anywhere.
Please consider the options any female has before she considers abortion. The choice to have sex. The choice to have her man wear a condom. The choice to take any steps to prevent pregnancy. The choice of birth control used. Choices are: pills,caps,diaphrams,shields,sponges,patches,vaginalring,injections,IUDs,implants, and the morning after pill. If pregnant because nothing prevented it,giving the baby for adoption.
how is contraception justifiable to a pro-life person? surely the prevention of a potential implantation of an egg is just as immoral? Why is different? why get so sentimental about it? why put more children in childrens homes when they are plenty of children up for adoption already and nobody wants to adopt them? they only want the perfect, cute, babies!...hypocritical and just as selfish as the choice to abort!
Contraception is prevenative, not murder. Life begins at conception. You have to make an apointment and pay blood money for an abortion. There are so many couples that would love to adopt, but it costs tens of thousands, and years of disappointment and heartache when the adoption fails. If those that abort gave the child ,not fetus, up for adoption, you are rid of a problem, and I would be a proud mother.
The entire premise of abortion is convenience. America has murdered an entire generation of children so do what feels good whenever they want and not have any responsabilities. Tell you what, if you are pregnant and don't want the baby, I will pay for the hospital costs and adopt the baby. You won't have a problem and I will have a blessing.
who are you to decide when life begins? if your preventing life from happening then your playing god just like the abortionists are...you cannot bend the rules to suit your own lifestyle choices! you make an appointment and pay for conraception just as you do abortion! It costs nothing to adopt a child from your own country and there are plenty out there waiting for good homes already!
Brittnie, in our country it's free, in yours it's not! in our country, so is an abortion!...but there are some people who want to take responsibility for their mistakes and cough up the bill. Notice the word YOU i
you should know clairer2282, that the taking of a life, especially the life inside the mother's womb is morally wrong. Unless u can prove to me medically and scientifically that the fetus is not a human, I consider abortion to be murder.
Englmufin ,First of all your "blood money" idea is not only based on a wrong definition of the term,but it is also false in that the way that med procedures are paid for in the US are not the norm,and that clinics that are slely responsible for performing abortions are not that widespread in other countries,either.
Englmufin Secondly,there are countless kids without families. If somebody really loves children THAT much, then they will be more than willing to give their love to a child that is a little older. But for some reason they all want newborns... Isn't it ironic how these people have the audacity to call women that abort selfish, when they themselves are are so selfish that they can't even tell genuine love for children from the selfish want for a newborn? Yes.
Englmufin And third & most important,neither I nor any other woman is here to waste her time,health,life & looks to give birth for you. The audacity of you to tell me that I should give birth,accepting all the risks,damages to my looks and life,pain,degradation,etc, just so that you can have a newborn! Wrongful sense of entitlement at it's sickest!
I, I, I, I, I.. I don't think you have to worry about your looks dear.. Aw somebody wants to give a chance to something you don't want. That is sick..
clairer2282, it's downright insulting to be compared to the people that are obsessed with the idea of adopting a newborn. It is still nice though, that you realize how sickeningly self-centered they are.
Your self centered. My looks, blah blah blah. How is taking care of a child you don't want self centered. Im adopting to give an unwanted child a home, please explain how that is selfish.
Englmufin, everyone should know what the various contraceptives are and that there isn't a single one that is 100% effective. They are fairly effective though,and simple math makes it obvious that most women that claim to have gotten pregnant on BC are lying. Whatever. Whether one used 4 methods or nothing: Abortion remains a human right.
Wow, you're a hypocrite. The freedom of life is more essential than the freedom of choice. When a life is taken, every single right has been lost; and yes, that includes choice. Also, there are programs where you can put your child up for adoption, murdering innocent people is not Constitutional, nor is it moral.
skullstatue ,video was put up to point out the fact that the majority of people that oppose abortion support the killing of people. But since nobody here sticks to that,why should you?! I don't have anything to do with your Constitution OR your backwards morals. Adoption does not solve the problem of an unwanted pregnancy,and since I,just like the law and many other people,don't consider the fetus a person,I also see no point and have no interest in granting it any rights.
skullstatue ,as I just said,I do not believe that a fetus has any rights. But because I would like to see whether you a)cannot respond or b)show how ugly your "good morals" actually are, I would like for you to tell me which rights if her's a woman could still take full advantage of if she was subject to forced pregnancy and birth. Rights and freedoms are very closely related, so good luck trying to think up even one relevant reply.
Lets stick a bit of saline solution in YOUR brain and see how you like it! lol Wow i mean just because you have a degree doesnt mean jack i got a degree too!!! so im like TOTALLY SMART AND STUFF
Pentecostal19 , first of all,what is a "B-I-R-F" ?? We only speak adult language around here. "stick saline" ?? If anything,you'd inject saline,and before you comment on the subject you should at least be up to date enough to know that saline abortions are long outdated. Apparently I am smarter than you but that does not surprise me. Good luck thinking of a response.
. i know you have the right to do whatever with your body but dont you think its wrong to take a innocent baby that you created? I mean you could of pervented it but you didnt.I'll be praying for you because i'm so "Holy"
She had the right to close her legs, but it was more comfortable to open them. She also had the right to put her son or daughter up for abortion, instead she murdered him/her. It's quite obvious, people like this will almost always choose what is comfortable, no matter how immoral or wrong. You can't drown out your conscious, no matter how hard you try. I can tell it's bothering you, even by your video.
skullstatue, talking about me? Of course it was up to me to have sex. A long time before I had sex though I already knew about contraception but my knowledge about abortion was limited in that I was unfamiliar with local laws. So since I have never wanted children,and I don't compromise,I kept from having sex until I knew 100% that having an abortion would be no problem if need be. That's called taking responsibility for one's person. You should try it. The first steo is to think for yourself.
For my user name i didnt mean to put that i was spose to put holly... but anywho.. i'm happily married thanks with a lil boy who is my world.. it just pisses me off you would bring the war up with ppl dieing and then think abortions just as bad sweetie your wrong. My husband is prondly serving hes country and if you think Freedom isnt worth fighting for your just messed up..
holygirl,it doesn't matter how your screenname came to be. It would be much more interesting to find out how a 18year old girl can already be married and have a child. In light of your situation you are not in a good spot to talk about freedom... nor until a few years down the road when your marriage has become a statistic and you make a joke out of yourself trying make up for your missed youth.
holygirl,you did not answer my question about whether or not you are a vegan. Because if you are not,then you are obviously NOT against killing. But you have already outed yourself as a hypocrit anyways by resorting to an "argument" as childish as that abortion is wrong because you say so,but the war is right because your hubby (You are 5 years younger than me and married??) needs a job somewhere.
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I'm only for abortion for medical reasons, only when the child will suffer greatly if it were born.
The thing is, war and abortion are completely different. I'm against war but those people fighting are there by their own choice. They "want to die for their country" or whatever.
However with abortion, the foetus does not have a voice in the matter. The decision to carry on with the foetus's development is decided on the "mother".
melodymood, i'm not a hypocrite in the least. Abotzion kills a fetus, death penalty and war kill people. I support the rights of PEOPLE. Anti-abortioners however claim that they support LIFE and that makes them, considering that many of them are war and death penalty supporters, HYPOCRITES.
you are absoluetly right, this girl goes on and on about how the war and death penalty is wrong, yet she can kill her own flesh and blood no remorse. for that baby she killed, there were 40 couples who wanted it and would have adopted it.
angelface,if there are supposedly so many people wanting to adopt children,how come there are so many children in the system that nobody wants to adopt? people who really love children will be just as happy to adopt an older child, and it is simply sick to "reason" that women should give birth against their will so other people will get what they want.
i see that no one is going to get through your sick fucked up head and im pretty sure that most of us at this point are pretty damned tired of hearing about you and your abortion. and the reason why most people do not adopt those kid is because they are more emotionally unstable, mentally unstable and physically dependant. i have a brother that my parents adopted when he was older, while my step dad was in the shower, he stabbed both me and my sister with a pair of scissors.
angelface,I am shocked! So those people supposedly love children so much but that only goes for "fresh and perfect" children? Disgusting. And angelface (let's just imagine that you are an obese angel...) if anything you are DAMN and not "damnED" tired of hearing of something. Having corrected you ONCE AGAIN I will now have a riot with your note. Save the best for last, ya know?!
you said that this was an abortion video. wtf is your point on the war. You really disgust me. Its a baby from the minute it is conceived. It's not right to kill. This soceity is messed up. People kill people to show that killng is wrong. That is true. I do not support the death penatly. Have you ever seen a baby when it is in its mother? Have you ever been pregnant? So shut up, get a clue and get your head out of your ass.
angelface713,this IS an abortion video. The question is asked HOW COME that people that supposedly are so concerned about life tht they even oppose abortion are so often supporters of war, capital punishment, etc. And honey I have not only been pregnant before (very happy with my abortion, btw) I also have the eduction to be able to speak about this.
war is something totally different! wen u abort a baby u r killing an innocent person that deserves 2 live. if someone enlists in the army they kno what they r doing & they kno they run the risk of being killed. we support the war because we kno its for a reason. it has a purpose just like people & babies have a purpose. born or not. theyre still alive. who the hell cares about ur fuckin degree in med? u dont have to be a doctor to have brains or kno wat ur talking about.
youlovejake,yes,people that enlist in the army know what they are doing. War however kills civilians,peopole that NEVER chose to be involved. It's sad to see how naive you are. I,btw, do not consider a fetus a person, so what were you trying to tell me?
r u telling me u would rather have a baby die then live? even if u dont wanna keep it just let it live and put it out for adoption or something. u can still keep in contact with it without having to pay for it. also, later in life, when you're ready for a kid, you can choose to have him/her back.
if u were a fetus would u rather be aborted than be able to live?
youlovejake,why are you asking my questions that have already been answered? Yes,I would abort,just like I have. I don't view a fetus as a person and therefore I find it sick and dehumanizing when people expect a woman to give up her personal comfort/plans/wants for the sake of a fetus.
youlovejake,there is nothing that needs to be said about your naive adoption idea. Giving birth just to give the baby up for adoption would a)only add to the countless children in the system that need a home and b)would still leave the woman to endure the entire pregnancy and give birth,which is exactly what abortion is there to give her a way out of.
no, abortion is so that when you dont have enough time or money to support a baby. You can still have the baby without paying for it and keep in contact then have it back when u are ready to pay for it. And if u didn't want a baby in the first place, then u shouldn't have made the mistake of getting pregnant.
The US is way in front on civ deaths partly because the % of civ deaths in conflict has risen to above 85% of total casualties. That an it's been a long time since WWII and they've been pretty busy in that time. They've invaded at least 20 places since then. Vietnam killed 3 mill alone.
There are several comments regarding rape victims having abortions. This is an argument that's an incredibly tough call (even for a pro-lifer). However, the vast majority of abortions are not rape victims. They are girls that have sex and don't want babies. They are guys who have sex and don't want responsibility. The end result is always a dead baby -- Most folks don't know, or block out that undeniable reality. This is a consideration that needs to be addressed when deciding on abortion.
I completely agre with anybodies idea that we have a choice in regards to our body. We are not baby making machines. I agree with freedom of choice, but MAKE THAT CHOICE BEFORE YOU GET ACCEDENTALLY PREGNANT!!!! If you don't want to havea baby, don't have sex or take the pill or make sure your guy has a condom. You people who believe n abortion are totally fucked!!!
She complains about other blocking her, but wait, why are the ratings for this video disabled? I don't think she can take all the 1 stars- because this video sucks
That is so stupid. I'm like really against abortion but I don't support the war. Seriously, you are so shallow it makes me mad. And you think that killing innocent unborn babies is okay? Sigh. Okay, sorry I was so rude. I'm not usually like that when I post stuff. I really hope that God will have mercy on you and you will repent. I pray about people like you.
I just viewed another of witchlemure's "enlightened" videos . . . Just as I suspected, she is a Drug Addict. Which means, until she is clean for at least 1 year, her opinion on Anything simply isn't valid or defensible. I suggest that anyone replying to her videos (pro life or pro abortion) to seek a less muddled view on abortion. Witchlemure (Fen) is a drug addict who is simply ranting -- Telling people to try drugs and get abortions is blatantly ludicrous by any standard.
You are one lazy commenter did you cut and paste this comment on every video she has. Listen kiddo Leave Fen alone and go back to whatever bolder you crawled from under. I disagree with most of Fens views but atleast I have the decency to not cut and paste that is pathetic.
now i see what you mean by cutting and pasting - i guess that i didn't see how this was such a pathetic act. thanks for the comment though. i see that many folks have missed the point . . . so it goes . . .
It would be interesting to have your opinion in another 30 years or so . . . Right now, despite the formal education that you tout so proudly - you are simply a naive, self righteous child.
I am a born again christian and 100% AGAINST abortion. I am doing my part to stop abortions from taking place. I will show compassion like christ did BUT I will not accept what they are doing because it is murder and it says in the bible that if any man or woman kills one of gods innocent children that they should be put to death
An innocent child?
Abortion kills a fetus. And yes, a fetus is innocent. In the same way that a tumor is innocent. Neither one chooses to be where they are and do what they do. A fetus is not a person and unless it is wanted, which means that it'd make a person happy, it has the same value as a tumor: none.
witchlemure 3 years ago
The death penalty kills CRIMINALS. War targets those who HATE Americans and what America stands for. Freedom isn't free. As for abortion, that is the murder of an innocent CHILD, note the words... innocent child.
tmarie423 3 years ago
tmarie423 , you're a fundamentlist American that's unable to think for herself & simply repeats whatever she's heard from older people since she was a kid. (Yes, I know you're older than me, save it.) So you think (well, we know that you actually do NOT think...) that hating America (which is only normal) makes people deserving of having their limbs torn off?
Whoever is pro-death penalty but against abortion proves that pro-li(f)e is not about life but about politics and religion.
witchlemure 3 years ago
So in the end, some might think it's crazy that you defend the death of a a person who deserves it(such as a person who kills children), but you don't mind the killing of innocent unborn babies. One might say that if you condone the killing of innocent unborn children, then you should condone the killing of prisoners on death row, and you should also condone the killing of soldiers in any war.
As for me, I'm both pro choice and pro life. Once something has a beating heart it's a living thing
turinab 3 years ago
I think the point is that people who are on death row are people who've slaughtered and raped children and such. They deserve death. Whereas unborn children are innocent. I can see both sides of the argument. And as for the "civilian deaths" argument, you're way off. I'm just as much against the war as anybody else, but civilian deaths are pretty low compared to any other war. I think you need to read a history book before you make anymore ridiculous comments.
turinab 3 years ago
turinab , am i supposed to take you seriously and debate with you after how you just contradicted yourself? one post peple deserve to die, the other post nobody does. You don't even have an opinion.
witchlemure 3 years ago
Killing an unplanned baby makes you a murderer of the worst type ,far worse than any soldier .How dare you even make a comparison.
flyingscience 3 years ago
The huge irony is you want to kill your own baby but your against war against terrorists , Nazis etc.
flyingscience 3 years ago
War is waged to protect lives and freedom and to thwart agressors .Conversation doesnt work hence war is last resort. This issue is a no brainer
flyingscience 3 years ago
you are amazing.
CameronAndJonfunkel 3 years ago
There's a difference.
Guilty Life.
Innocent Life.
War is killing guilty life. to protect yourself.
Abortion is killing innocent life, Killing someone for no reason
Get your facts straight.
supercop223 3 years ago
supercop : Name one war in which no innocent people were killed. You can't. As a matter of fact, the most innocent people are almost always the ones that end up suffering the most. But if you think it's not so, throw me some names, times and places.
witchlemure 3 years ago
No reason? Of course there are reasons. And you can deal out guilty and innocent?
Bumblybee256 3 years ago
I am also pro choice, but you do come across as a little ignorant. The language that you use like fuck all the time it makes you sound uneducated. And the facts you give about world war two and America sound like you are uninformed, and some of the arguments that you present aren't based on fact but based on speculation and propaganda. I'm pro choice too but your video had no effect on me.
playa25827085 3 years ago
playa, " The language that you use like fuck all the time it makes you sound uneducated. "
-That requires no further commenting.
witchlemure 3 years ago
haha
CameronAndJonfunkel 3 years ago
And I don't know what kind of comment that is..but it isn't german. I speak German and my oma is straight from Germany. Maybe you just speak as poorly as you spell, etc. No offense.
PrincessSpyder 3 years ago
pSyder : LOL,I think I know where my accent comes from. I was born in Germany&I live in Germany&I probably have a German accent then,huh?! I lived in Canada though,too(13-21)&I ran into a few people like you there that didn't understand that all white people in North America have European ancestors. But if you can speak German then I think we should speak German with eachother. It's not like you have to worry about embarrassing yourself, right?!
witchlemure 3 years ago
If you want to make a point you should probably stop being so hostile. You come off as being bitter about your own decisions. BTW your assumptions are VERY ignorant. You need to find a middle ground. IT's pretty hard to take you seriously...esp. with that awful accent. WTF kind of accent is that anyway?
PrincessSpyder 3 years ago
PrincessSpyder : That's a German accent. Shouln't be a problem though because everyone can understand me. You just commented on my profile and explained how you had an abortion against your will. That makes YOU not hard but impossible to take seriously. You canot be legally forced to abort,but your personality is apparently so weak that you aborted against your will because someone else wanted it. Could it be that your problem is not WHAT I think but rather THAT I think for myzself? LOL Victim.
witchlemure 3 years ago
No one forced me...what I meant was that it was against what I wanted but unfortunately I had a medical risk. Have a little bit of common sense. If you are going to ask people stupid questions asking them how they can justify war, the death penalty, etc...you should probably ask yourself the same thing about you getting pregnant and having an abortion just because you "don't want children". You're the hypocrite that you are trying to "preach" about. BTW, it's spelled H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.
PrincessSpyder 3 years ago
pspyder : Oh,so now you say that you aborted for medical reasons. LOL Well,I guess it could be considered that because your lack of personality is probably so great that it is pathological. LOL Opfer!
witchlemure 3 years ago
Fen, U say pro choice but then u say anti abortion. The term is PRO LIFE. & u are right-abortion should be legal but only for dope feind witches (yr words) such as yrself. We don't need any more dope babies in the world. & u wait honey, yr young now, but, it'll come back someday & bite u in the ass & u won't know what hit u. BTW, review yr history. it was GERMANY that blitzed London's CITIZENS. My mom lived thru that for years as a young girl. Germany got bombed bad too-just what it deserved.
carriebg 3 years ago
carriebg, the "wait until you get older thing" is so worn down. As far as I can think back I never ever wanted children. People would harrass me&tell me I'd change my mind in puberty,the they'd say as a teen, the they'd say as an adult, the they'd say that once (if) I get pregnant I will change it& will just fall in love withthe idea of being a mom. NO! When I found out I was pregnant I already was an adult&the only things I did were puke, feel disgusted&make sure to get an abortion asap.
witchlemure 3 years ago
by the way, no one is perfect
winniesherwood 3 years ago
so if you are saying that these are indeed people, how can you agree that abortion is a choice? you contradict yourself. sorry hunny.
winniesherwood 3 years ago
um, is that directed to me? Because I didn't say that a fetus early on in gestation is a person.
As for my last two comments, you are completely missing my point.
lcable25 3 years ago
no comment was to the maker of this film-
winniesherwood 3 years ago
okay then..I would like to retract my response.
lcable25 3 years ago
and FYI your taxes are more likely going to help a pedophile live in protective custody than to help a woman have an abortion. Some state medical insurances won't even approve of such a thing. I don't know about all states, but I do know that the 'welfare' medical here doesn't help with getting an abortion, women have to pay out of pocket for that. They will, however help with birth control, or a ligation which neither are 100 percent reliable.
lcable25 3 years ago
Yes, but this isn't WW2 Germany, now is it?
Are you against the death penalty too?
lcable25 3 years ago
now, dane..I know what you are going to say.
It's alot different when the disable 'child' is already born. There are tests you can have done in the first trimester to determine whether or not your child is disabled. So, it is wrong to euthanise an infant that was already born, compared to a fetus only four to six weeks gestation. One was given life, the other can't survive on its own. Do you see my point now?
lcable25 3 years ago
Abortion may be morally wrong, but it's legally right, because a woman's rights supercedes the fetus. For the first four months of gestation if a fetus were to be born, there is no way it would survive on its own. Now, when you get later into the pregnancy, the chances for the fetus to survive goes up. I am more against late-term abortion, which is still being practiced. Did you know that euthenisation of severly disabled infants has been okay'd across the ocean? SICK.
lcable25 3 years ago
And if you killed a jew in WW2 Germany you would have been praised. Just because it's a law don't make it right.
wormer104 3 years ago
We can all agree and disagree over the war. Yes, tons of hypocrites in the world. Many pro-life advocates also believe other bad things, but, after it's all said and done abortion is still the killing of babies. It's wrong. How can anything be more obvious? Abortion can still be wrong even if all the right-wing/christian/republican/war-loving haters never existed. It's a separate issue.
ilikacoffee 3 years ago
well said. politicals views dont make rights or wrongs.
whitedane 3 years ago
A few points to disagree on. Not all pro-lifers are religious, Im an athiest. I dont see how you can even compair the murder of an innocent child,denied the basic human right to live, to a peron who chose to commit crimes so heinous that the only punishment ppl found was death. That comment is asinine. IF abortion was just a womans choice then why are men who didnt want kids forced to pay child support but cant force her to abort? I dont want MY TAX"S going to abortion, wheres my choice?
whitedane 3 years ago
you make some good points. Their hypocracy has always bothered me.
tevian3 3 years ago
You will be in hell for rejecting Jesus Christ and His Holy Law in your promotion of murdering helpless unborn babies. You are the hypocrite, you think it is ok to murder helpless babies for no reason at all, yet, you don't believe in the death penalty.
RevSpitz 3 years ago
I have read the bible, be it man-made, and nowhere does it state that it is a sin to have an abortion. It says "Thou shalt not kill" If that applies to fetuses, then it should apply to animals as well. Think about it before you take a bite of that big, juicy burger.
lcable25 3 years ago
lol so true.
whitedane 3 years ago
Some people try to justify abortion by claiming that the result of conception, at least up to a certain number of days, cannot yet be considered a personal human life. But in fact, "from the time that the ovum is fertilized, a life is begun which is neither that of the father nor the mother; it is rather the life of a new human being with his own growth. It would never be made human if it were not human already.
John Paul II - Evangelium vitae
teton99 3 years ago
blastontape:
You pick an argument with me (which nobody asked you to do), then you keep writing back, but never once contribute any substance to a "discussion".
Is this the best you "believers" have? An arrogant, angry, illiterate blah blah person? Have you no trained speakers? Any knowledgeable debaters who can at least offer a formidable opposition?
Count the cost before going to battle! Pat Robertson knows better than to EVER run for President again. Dan Quale jumped ship quickly, as well.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
People who find the Bible to be FALSE and man-made don't necessarily share the Scriptural ignorance of the overwhelming majority those who profess to be "believers".
Most Christians don't ever read in the Bible, and very few have read all of it. Catholics are never encouraged to read Scriptures, it's all pre-chewed for them, and peppered with terms that aren't even in the Bible.
Don't challenge an intellectual atheist to a match on Bible knowledge. You're likely to lose!
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
I completely agree. I'm not an atheist, but I don't beleive what's written in the bible to be true, because it's 'man-made'. It doesn't sway my beleif in God, though.
lcable25 3 years ago
That sounds good. I think it's perfectly OK for people to have variations of beliefs. I may consider myself an atheist, but more than that I believe in some kind of force for good, like Karma.
My philosophy is to follow the Golden Rule. I treat others with respect. I am kind and generous. I am the kind of person I would want others to be. Life has been good to me, and I believe most of this can be attributed to a cheerful attitude.
Good things happen to people who do good things. Karma?
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
Well, yes! Kharma is good, but not all people who do good things have good things happen to them.
Like they say, you just have to go with the flow (chi flow, that is) LOL.
lcable25 3 years ago
Your response places conditions on doing good things. You are saying "If nothing good comes from doing good things, then why should I do good?". Your attitude is that of a spoiled child who won't listen to a parent unless rewarded.
I do good things because that's the right thing to do. I also enjoy doing good without anyone knowing or ever finding out.
Sorry, but my own benefit is not my first thought when I do good deeds. My own happiness is a byproduct that I don't demand, it just happens.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
You seem to have misunderstood me, I didn't say that you shouldn't do good things in the world, but I was simply saying that sometimes people who are do-gooders, like you and me, have bad things happen to them.
I can't simply close my eyes to all the world, just because I am happy for helping others, and yes, I do feel that my happiness is a 'reward' for my good actions. If that makes me 'childish' so be it.
lcable25 3 years ago
Yes, bad things happen. Bad things happen to good people, too. Good things happen to bad people. Being a good person makes you more likely to have good things happen to you.
Being a good person, doing good things, comes natural to people whose main interest is to be and do good. Only people who look for their own advantage first count the cost before worrying about others.
We are born with common sense and knowing right from wrong. People who do wrong do so knowingly, and usually secretly.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
I agree.
Fullheartedly.
lcable25 3 years ago
You can make abortions illegal, and all you will have done is create a long line of "criminals". Why not make it a crime to be in possession of tobacco products? Or coffee? Or chocolate? Why not enforce a strict curfue - nobody allowed outside after 10pm?
We have plenty of laws on the books, and a few that could be thrown out. Adding abortion to the list of felonies makes no sense. Abortions won't be eliminated.
thursdaysrecords 3 years ago
Pro-lifers puzzle me. In truth they should call themselves Anti-choice, because in effect that is what they are doing; taking away the option for a woman to have an operation which can be dangerous if done by unskilled people (I dont know much about abortion i admit, it wasnt covered in my biosciences degree).
As for foetus's, is it not a perogative that the world they will come into must be cleaned up first? whats the point of a baby coming into the world and dying soon after? there is none.
MajinOtaku83 3 years ago
On that note, i am sad Pro-lifers dont try and find a way to allow woman the right to choose to have a baby or not. If people put money in research to keep blastocyst, zygote, or embryos frozen so that rather than killing them, they can be put into freeze so surrogates who want children can have them? Its more productive than harrassing or assaulting people who have or provide the service and means women still have the right to choose...
MajinOtaku83 3 years ago
Despite the formidable obstacles before us, we must not lose heart. This is not the first time our country has been divided by a Supreme Court decision that denied the value of certain human lives. The Dred Scott decision of 1857 was not overturned in a day, or a year, or even a decade. At first, only a minority of Americans recognized and deplored the moral crisis brought about by denying the full humanity of our black brothers and sisters;
The Human Life Review on abortion 1983
R.Reagan
teton99 3 years ago
When it comes to death, I'm totally for it: Capital Punishment, Abortion, and Euthanasia. Conservatives aren't really against abortion, they are just tapdancing for the religious types. Godless Capitalists in the Republican Party could care less about homos or abortion.
magickmatt138 3 years ago
THANK YOU! i am glad someone else realized(sp?)this. On the one hand are the super rich powerful neocons and right wingers who want to stay that way (who really don't care about these social issues) and on the other hand are the dupped "joe six packs" who are voting agasint their own economic interests just because the rich neocons told them boogeyman stories about the scary abortions/homos/minorities/atheists/whatever I am also very pro-death haha
iballie 3 years ago
No youre wrong. True Conservatives Are Pro Life, Pro Gun, & ANTI Illegal WAR! The Iraq war was Illegal.
Your video is the case we make against Neo-Conservative hypocrites. Still abortion is baby killing
VoteYourConsience 3 years ago
its easy to back up actually
MatskiUchiha 3 years ago
and my apologies for saying i was pro-life earlier, i was in a rage b/c of the garbage she was spitting during that whole America kills civilians and my dyslexia kicked in, im actually pro-choice. Let me clarify, im not saying America doesnt kill innocent civilians, that sux for them, but that is war, and war is something we as humans are good at; war is hell and shit happens.
k2kenchington 3 years ago
and what the hell saying England killed more civilians in WWII??? Germany bombed the hell out of England's major cities, England just returned the favor. The Soviet Union was probably responsible for the most civilian deaths. Do you have any idea how many political opponents of Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Gorbachev, and other Soviet leaders since the rise of the Soviet Union have been executed or put into political camps to work. What about the Holocaust lady? all of the Jews the Nazi's killed?
k2kenchington 3 years ago
yeah im pro-life, but what she is saying about America being the number one killer of innocent civilians throughout the history of war is absolute bs... look up the rape of Nanking you dumb bitch, how about the crusades where both Christian armies and Muslim armies killed countless numbers of pilgrims of the opposite religion. In fact the only thing that puts the US on the map for high civilian death is the atomic bombs at Hiroshima/Nagasaki, which actually sparred the lives of many more people.
k2kenchington 3 years ago
"It is only if human life is respected from conception to death that the ethics of peace is also possible and credible," concluded the Pope. "It is only then that non-violence can express itself in every direction; only then that we truly welcome creation, and only then that we can arrive at true justice." Pope Benedict XVI
teton99 3 years ago
"It is only if human life is respected from conception to death that the ethics of peace is also possible and credible," concluded the Pope. "It is only then that non-violence can express itself in every direction; only then that we truly welcome creation, and only then that we can arrive at true justice." Pope Benedict XVI
teton99 3 years ago
your child might be the next Charles mason!!! Think about it.
blane779 3 years ago
Re:blane779.you might have been,to.Should your parents have killed you based upon that assumption?
Gl4d2B 3 years ago
your child might be the next Charles mason!!! Think about it.
blane779 3 years ago
"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger
"How can anyone be against abortion but for the death penalty"
Marleen Loesje quotes (Dutch Fictional character "Active and International girl", b.1983)
"Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown His own?" - Robert G. Ingersoll
Zoya9may 3 years ago
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.
Hippocratic Oath -- Classical Version
teton99 3 years ago
"Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government," she said. "They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or sovereign. Mother Teresa
teton99 3 years ago
i am against abortion but i am also against the death penalty and the war in iraq
didi725 3 years ago
If that gal knew what abortion really is, she'd change her position to pro-life.
puertoricantruepoet2 4 years ago
What makes you think she doesn't? Do you think women just go get abortions done on a whim without knowing exactly what it entails? Do you think they do not research it in depth and are fully aware of the consequences of her actions? Or do you think that by holding a banner up of a dead fetus you are not only enlightening her but also somehow saving her from her own ignorance?!...Give me a break!!!
clairer2282 4 years ago
Deanclark68 planned parenthood dont just give out abortions to who ever walk in. They give counseling, paps, condoms and hiv test. Without them there would be alot more people dead and more child abuse and child deaths so who is pro death again?? Pro Life stands for pro death. What business is of yours what a woman does, if your worried about teens then maybe there parents need parenting class cause their kid doesnt come to them with there problems, PP has that too.
mommakate76 4 years ago
Planned parenthood and pro-choicers are pro-death, anti-life, and pro-abortion. Preety sick planned parenthood and pro-choicers.
DeanClark68 4 years ago
I certainly do not promote abortion. I would urge women who are considering it to explore all other avenues. It's certainly not the easy option. But, it has to be the woman and not the law who chooses what is right for her!
clairer2282 4 years ago
Oh Brittnie, the soldier you happen to love wouldn't be your partner/husband would it? Darling, why don't you take your head out the clouds, go home and ask your husband what it is his troop are actually trained to do! That comment tells me all i need to know about you!
clairer2282 4 years ago
I know what troops are trained to do im not retarded.. He made a stupid decision and is trying to get out.
brittniebob 4 years ago
i unfortunately am really pressed for time right now and can only quickly fly over the comments right now but í have to take the sec to say YES clairer you hit the nail on the head. Against abortion but taking pride in other people,such as that soldier,killing to make a living. THANK YOU!!
witchlemure 4 years ago
Actually many people are against the war.. like 70%. I'm not for the death penalty either and I'm adopting.
brittniebob 4 years ago
You are free to believe and act as you please. Please just remember that one day we will have to give an account of our life to a Holy and Righteous God.
Englmufin 4 years ago
Englmufin -MayB U will have 2 explain Y U abused God's name 2 serve UR purpose, portraying Him 2B such a foolish,prejudice,judgemental,hateful liar as that he would condone the pro-li(f)e cult & their vicious POLITICAL ideas that R (poorly) disguised by claims of love for humanity &the same religious babble that was already used in the M.A. 2 allow a small 'high group' 2 control a huge 'lower group' by spreading lies,hatred &total disregard for human rights and freedom 'in the name of God'.
witchlemure 4 years ago
Amen, brother!
puertoricantruepoet2 4 years ago
Englmufin, just so I don't forget telling you: I was an adult when I became pregnant and I was and still am very happy that I aborted. Now I am (obviously) older than I was back then, and since I don't want kids I will still abort any pregnancy that may come to be. So? Am I a particularily immature person that should spend life without being in any fulfilled relationship or am I like really 14? Well?
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
holygirl ,tried responding to you a few times now but my repy keeps being eaten up. "could of" ... I laughed but I'll leave it alone. To answer your Q, no, I don't think having an abortion was wrong,I won't think it's wrong if I have yet another one,and if you want to pray for me then have fun and in turn I will pray for you,too.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
Tried to adopt but not sucessful? No doubt those children will spend the rest of their life in limbo! How nice to know your mother chose drugs over you! And are you going to sit there and tell me those children are not affected?
clairer2282 4 years ago
Are you implying that it would be better to be dead than to feel unwanted by a parent? These kids are resiliant! They know that they are loved by my husband and myself and the past doesn't dictate who you become. God has a plan for each of our lives. We can do anything and be anything with His love and help.
Englmufin 4 years ago
It would be better to not have been born, it can't hurt or affect them they are unaware of it. I'm not sure you could ever refer to an early fetus as alive either. Is a person a life supposrt machine alive? No! the life support machine is doing all the work...switch that off and the person dies! A fetus doesn't even breathe until it's born!
clairer2282 4 years ago
life begins at conception , also do not come at me with what if I was raped? can I abort? No Two wrongs make a wrong not a right so either raise the child or put up for the miracle of adoption
onclave6 4 years ago
I'm sorry, where did i say anything about rape? Rape alone would not make me abort that pregnancy if i wanted it, but if i didn't then i would excercise my right to do so...sure i would! You only worry about having to answer to God if you believe in one! Me, i believe we were made by science and we can be ended by science...same goes for fetuses too!
clairer2282 4 years ago
Amen!
puertoricantruepoet2 4 years ago
A fetus isn't alive?? omg o wait an early fetus isn't. haha So how can a person or fetus die if it isn't alive?? "A person on a life support machine isn't alive, but if you shut it off it dies!!!" haha Are you retarded?
brittniebob 4 years ago
Are you retarded? It's a figure of speech, not meant to be taken in the literal sense, any normal person would see that! Technically, the person or the fetus isn't alive but they just appear to be! Are you saying that i am incorrect in saying that? Can you tell me WHY i'm incorrect or do you have nothing useful to add to the debate other than spell checking peoples spelling mistakes and googling their questions? SAD!!!
clairer2282 4 years ago
You can't die if your not alive!
brittniebob 4 years ago
Your either alive or your not.
brittniebob 4 years ago
brittnie you contradict yourself so much that taking you seriously is not an option, not even for those that would be able to overlook your poor English and dull remarks. Go read your own comments. Until you didn't know what to say anymore you were pretty proud of "your soldier" and what he does. Now suddenly it's all bad? LOL!
witchlemure 4 years ago
^^^Oh look brittnie, just as i thought!...i never actually said a fetus dies, i said a person on a life support machine does! And i am not incorrect in that statement, because a person on alife support machine is in fact still alive but will die after the life machine has been switched off!
clairer2282 4 years ago
What human in his wrteched mind has the nerve to determine who lives and who dies, eh?
puertoricantruepoet2 3 years ago
What would you rather? Millions of orphans running around? There is only so much support one woman can give on a certain amount of income, abortion is a means to an end. We do not live in some eutopia, this is the real world and compared to the amount of suffering many of these children would go through, abortion is the easy option for all parties, believe me!
clairer2282 3 years ago
The term pro-choice is a cop out for little girls who made big girl choices and don't want to live with the results. Life is full of choices, death doesn't have to be one of them.
Englmufin 4 years ago
how many who have abortions are married, grown women? you want to adopt a child?...go adopt one of the thousands who are in childrens homes and foster care, just waiting for someone to choose them! Or are they too old? you want a cute little baby that looks like you, that you can convince people is your own? How selfish is that?!
clairer2282 4 years ago
I'm so glad you know so much about my life. I am married and have 3 foster children in my home right now ranging from 6-16. I have tried to adopt all 3 of them. They have mothers who want drugs more than them and have been in limbo for years. Its not about what or who they look like. Having any child is a wonderful, God-given blessing. How easy is it to prevent an unwanted pregnancy, keep a baby if its what you want, or if you don't want it, give it up for adoption? Murder is unnecessary!!
Englmufin 4 years ago
clairer2282, I don't have the exact figures in mind right now, concerning the groups of women that get abortions, but I can tell you that a noteable portion of them is married and the majority of them all are adults. i can look the figures up again if anybody wants to know the exact portions. As for your comment on selfish people wanting newborns and not caring about the many kids in the system... I second you on that.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
Englmufin ! LOLOLOL "big girl choices" ... I looked at your profile beause I was curious whether you are a kid trying to sound grown up or an adult having frustration dripping from her. According to your "logic" adulthood equals willingness to become a mother. Ridiculous. If you want to talk "big girl choices" you should clue in that "big girls" know what they want and choose accordingly.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
My husband and I work with women that are in jails and prison. It is so fustrating because choices we make don't just affect us. The women I talked with in jail this morning have children that are being taken care of by either the state of Ohio or by grandparents while they do their time. I could argue with you ladies all day, but it wouldn't get us anywhere.
Englmufin 4 years ago
Please consider the options any female has before she considers abortion. The choice to have sex. The choice to have her man wear a condom. The choice to take any steps to prevent pregnancy. The choice of birth control used. Choices are: pills,caps,diaphrams,shields,sponges,patches,vaginalring,injections,IUDs,implants, and the morning after pill. If pregnant because nothing prevented it,giving the baby for adoption.
Englmufin 4 years ago
how is contraception justifiable to a pro-life person? surely the prevention of a potential implantation of an egg is just as immoral? Why is different? why get so sentimental about it? why put more children in childrens homes when they are plenty of children up for adoption already and nobody wants to adopt them? they only want the perfect, cute, babies!...hypocritical and just as selfish as the choice to abort!
clairer2282 4 years ago
Contraception is prevenative, not murder. Life begins at conception. You have to make an apointment and pay blood money for an abortion. There are so many couples that would love to adopt, but it costs tens of thousands, and years of disappointment and heartache when the adoption fails. If those that abort gave the child ,not fetus, up for adoption, you are rid of a problem, and I would be a proud mother.
Englmufin 4 years ago
Abortion just prevents a woman from giving birth.
JaceMayBee 4 years ago
The entire premise of abortion is convenience. America has murdered an entire generation of children so do what feels good whenever they want and not have any responsabilities. Tell you what, if you are pregnant and don't want the baby, I will pay for the hospital costs and adopt the baby. You won't have a problem and I will have a blessing.
Englmufin 4 years ago
who are you to decide when life begins? if your preventing life from happening then your playing god just like the abortionists are...you cannot bend the rules to suit your own lifestyle choices! you make an appointment and pay for conraception just as you do abortion! It costs nothing to adopt a child from your own country and there are plenty out there waiting for good homes already!
clairer2282 4 years ago
Bullshit it doesn't cost anything
brittniebob 4 years ago
Brittnie, in our country it's free, in yours it's not! in our country, so is an abortion!...but there are some people who want to take responsibility for their mistakes and cough up the bill. Notice the word YOU i
clairer2282 4 years ago
YOU have a million comments on here.. Do you not have a life? thats SAD!
brittniebob 4 years ago
you should know clairer2282, that the taking of a life, especially the life inside the mother's womb is morally wrong. Unless u can prove to me medically and scientifically that the fetus is not a human, I consider abortion to be murder.
puertoricantruepoet2 3 years ago 2
The fetus is a form of human life, a potential person NOT an actual person.
It is the brain function which makes us who we are. The fetus does not become sentient until about 22-24 weeks.
maryansmith 3 years ago
Englmufin ,First of all your "blood money" idea is not only based on a wrong definition of the term,but it is also false in that the way that med procedures are paid for in the US are not the norm,and that clinics that are slely responsible for performing abortions are not that widespread in other countries,either.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
Englmufin Secondly,there are countless kids without families. If somebody really loves children THAT much, then they will be more than willing to give their love to a child that is a little older. But for some reason they all want newborns... Isn't it ironic how these people have the audacity to call women that abort selfish, when they themselves are are so selfish that they can't even tell genuine love for children from the selfish want for a newborn? Yes.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
Englmufin And third & most important,neither I nor any other woman is here to waste her time,health,life & looks to give birth for you. The audacity of you to tell me that I should give birth,accepting all the risks,damages to my looks and life,pain,degradation,etc, just so that you can have a newborn! Wrongful sense of entitlement at it's sickest!
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
I, I, I, I, I.. I don't think you have to worry about your looks dear.. Aw somebody wants to give a chance to something you don't want. That is sick..
brittniebob 4 years ago
clairer2282, it's downright insulting to be compared to the people that are obsessed with the idea of adopting a newborn. It is still nice though, that you realize how sickeningly self-centered they are.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
Your self centered. My looks, blah blah blah. How is taking care of a child you don't want self centered. Im adopting to give an unwanted child a home, please explain how that is selfish.
brittniebob 4 years ago 2
Englmufin, everyone should know what the various contraceptives are and that there isn't a single one that is 100% effective. They are fairly effective though,and simple math makes it obvious that most women that claim to have gotten pregnant on BC are lying. Whatever. Whether one used 4 methods or nothing: Abortion remains a human right.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
Wow, you're a hypocrite. The freedom of life is more essential than the freedom of choice. When a life is taken, every single right has been lost; and yes, that includes choice. Also, there are programs where you can put your child up for adoption, murdering innocent people is not Constitutional, nor is it moral.
skullstatue 4 years ago
skullstatue ,video was put up to point out the fact that the majority of people that oppose abortion support the killing of people. But since nobody here sticks to that,why should you?! I don't have anything to do with your Constitution OR your backwards morals. Adoption does not solve the problem of an unwanted pregnancy,and since I,just like the law and many other people,don't consider the fetus a person,I also see no point and have no interest in granting it any rights.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
If its not a person what is it??
brittniebob 4 years ago
skullstatue ,as I just said,I do not believe that a fetus has any rights. But because I would like to see whether you a)cannot respond or b)show how ugly your "good morals" actually are, I would like for you to tell me which rights if her's a woman could still take full advantage of if she was subject to forced pregnancy and birth. Rights and freedoms are very closely related, so good luck trying to think up even one relevant reply.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
Lets stick a bit of saline solution in YOUR brain and see how you like it! lol Wow i mean just because you have a degree doesnt mean jack i got a degree too!!! so im like TOTALLY SMART AND STUFF
Pentecostal19 4 years ago 2
I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY
"Thou Shalt Not Kill"
I am NOT a Republican
And I DO NOT support the WAR! But i'm still a Christian! God Bless
Pentecostal19 4 years ago
Pentecostal19 , first of all,what is a "B-I-R-F" ?? We only speak adult language around here. "stick saline" ?? If anything,you'd inject saline,and before you comment on the subject you should at least be up to date enough to know that saline abortions are long outdated. Apparently I am smarter than you but that does not surprise me. Good luck thinking of a response.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
. i know you have the right to do whatever with your body but dont you think its wrong to take a innocent baby that you created? I mean you could of pervented it but you didnt.I'll be praying for you because i'm so "Holy"
holygirl1221 4 years ago
She had the right to close her legs, but it was more comfortable to open them. She also had the right to put her son or daughter up for abortion, instead she murdered him/her. It's quite obvious, people like this will almost always choose what is comfortable, no matter how immoral or wrong. You can't drown out your conscious, no matter how hard you try. I can tell it's bothering you, even by your video.
skullstatue 4 years ago
skullstatue, talking about me? Of course it was up to me to have sex. A long time before I had sex though I already knew about contraception but my knowledge about abortion was limited in that I was unfamiliar with local laws. So since I have never wanted children,and I don't compromise,I kept from having sex until I knew 100% that having an abortion would be no problem if need be. That's called taking responsibility for one's person. You should try it. The first steo is to think for yourself.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
For my user name i didnt mean to put that i was spose to put holly... but anywho.. i'm happily married thanks with a lil boy who is my world.. it just pisses me off you would bring the war up with ppl dieing and then think abortions just as bad sweetie your wrong. My husband is prondly serving hes country and if you think Freedom isnt worth fighting for your just messed up..
holygirl1221 4 years ago
holygirl,it doesn't matter how your screenname came to be. It would be much more interesting to find out how a 18year old girl can already be married and have a child. In light of your situation you are not in a good spot to talk about freedom... nor until a few years down the road when your marriage has become a statistic and you make a joke out of yourself trying make up for your missed youth.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
what part of
"thou shalt not kill"
Dont you understand?
holygirl1221 4 years ago
so holygirl, are you vegan? cause if you are not, then what past of thou shalt not lie don't you understand
witchlemure 4 years ago
leave her alone witchlemure and also stop destroying a babies B-I-R-F! LOL
Pentecostal19 4 years ago
holygirl,you did not answer my question about whether or not you are a vegan. Because if you are not,then you are obviously NOT against killing. But you have already outed yourself as a hypocrit anyways by resorting to an "argument" as childish as that abortion is wrong because you say so,but the war is right because your hubby (You are 5 years younger than me and married??) needs a job somewhere.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
JUST LEAVING A NOTE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT I AM GOING TO BE USING THIS NEW ACCOUNT ALONGSIDE MY OLD witchlemure ACCOUNT UNTIL ALL THE THNGS FROM THE OLD ACCOUNT HAVE BEEN MOVED OVER TO THIS NEW ONE.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
I'm only for abortion for medical reasons, only when the child will suffer greatly if it were born.
The thing is, war and abortion are completely different. I'm against war but those people fighting are there by their own choice. They "want to die for their country" or whatever.
However with abortion, the foetus does not have a voice in the matter. The decision to carry on with the foetus's development is decided on the "mother".
QueensFilms 4 years ago
QueensFilms, you think the people affected by war are in that situation by choice? Was affects countless civilians and they never had a choice.
witchlemure 4 years ago
How do you justify killing fetus, yet oppose other death? YOU are the hypocrite!
melodymood 4 years ago
melodymood, i'm not a hypocrite in the least. Abotzion kills a fetus, death penalty and war kill people. I support the rights of PEOPLE. Anti-abortioners however claim that they support LIFE and that makes them, considering that many of them are war and death penalty supporters, HYPOCRITES.
witchlemure 4 years ago
you are absoluetly right, this girl goes on and on about how the war and death penalty is wrong, yet she can kill her own flesh and blood no remorse. for that baby she killed, there were 40 couples who wanted it and would have adopted it.
angelface713 4 years ago
angelface,if there are supposedly so many people wanting to adopt children,how come there are so many children in the system that nobody wants to adopt? people who really love children will be just as happy to adopt an older child, and it is simply sick to "reason" that women should give birth against their will so other people will get what they want.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
i see that no one is going to get through your sick fucked up head and im pretty sure that most of us at this point are pretty damned tired of hearing about you and your abortion. and the reason why most people do not adopt those kid is because they are more emotionally unstable, mentally unstable and physically dependant. i have a brother that my parents adopted when he was older, while my step dad was in the shower, he stabbed both me and my sister with a pair of scissors.
angelface713 4 years ago
angelface,I am shocked! So those people supposedly love children so much but that only goes for "fresh and perfect" children? Disgusting. And angelface (let's just imagine that you are an obese angel...) if anything you are DAMN and not "damnED" tired of hearing of something. Having corrected you ONCE AGAIN I will now have a riot with your note. Save the best for last, ya know?!
witchlemure 4 years ago
you said that this was an abortion video. wtf is your point on the war. You really disgust me. Its a baby from the minute it is conceived. It's not right to kill. This soceity is messed up. People kill people to show that killng is wrong. That is true. I do not support the death penatly. Have you ever seen a baby when it is in its mother? Have you ever been pregnant? So shut up, get a clue and get your head out of your ass.
angelface713 4 years ago
angelface713,this IS an abortion video. The question is asked HOW COME that people that supposedly are so concerned about life tht they even oppose abortion are so often supporters of war, capital punishment, etc. And honey I have not only been pregnant before (very happy with my abortion, btw) I also have the eduction to be able to speak about this.
witchlemure 4 years ago
ur so full of urself and so wrong that it disgusts me.
youlovejake 4 years ago
war is something totally different! wen u abort a baby u r killing an innocent person that deserves 2 live. if someone enlists in the army they kno what they r doing & they kno they run the risk of being killed. we support the war because we kno its for a reason. it has a purpose just like people & babies have a purpose. born or not. theyre still alive. who the hell cares about ur fuckin degree in med? u dont have to be a doctor to have brains or kno wat ur talking about.
youlovejake 4 years ago
youlovejake,yes,people that enlist in the army know what they are doing. War however kills civilians,peopole that NEVER chose to be involved. It's sad to see how naive you are. I,btw, do not consider a fetus a person, so what were you trying to tell me?
witchlemure 4 years ago
r u telling me u would rather have a baby die then live? even if u dont wanna keep it just let it live and put it out for adoption or something. u can still keep in contact with it without having to pay for it. also, later in life, when you're ready for a kid, you can choose to have him/her back.
if u were a fetus would u rather be aborted than be able to live?
youlovejake 4 years ago
youlovejake,why are you asking my questions that have already been answered? Yes,I would abort,just like I have. I don't view a fetus as a person and therefore I find it sick and dehumanizing when people expect a woman to give up her personal comfort/plans/wants for the sake of a fetus.
WitchLemureFen 4 years ago
u still didn't address what i had to say about adoption. not much to say, huh? adoption is a much better choice than abortion.
youlovejake 4 years ago
youlovejake,there is nothing that needs to be said about your naive adoption idea. Giving birth just to give the baby up for adoption would a)only add to the countless children in the system that need a home and b)would still leave the woman to endure the entire pregnancy and give birth,which is exactly what abortion is there to give her a way out of.
witchlemure 4 years ago
no, abortion is so that when you dont have enough time or money to support a baby. You can still have the baby without paying for it and keep in contact then have it back when u are ready to pay for it. And if u didn't want a baby in the first place, then u shouldn't have made the mistake of getting pregnant.
youlovejake 4 years ago
The US is way in front on civ deaths partly because the % of civ deaths in conflict has risen to above 85% of total casualties. That an it's been a long time since WWII and they've been pretty busy in that time. They've invaded at least 20 places since then. Vietnam killed 3 mill alone.
everything4every1 4 years ago
i agree they are a bunch of : hypocrites??? Hmmm doesn't that kinda have a little bit of Hitler in them and their views - who knows......
ilovenbcnews 4 years ago
There are several comments regarding rape victims having abortions. This is an argument that's an incredibly tough call (even for a pro-lifer). However, the vast majority of abortions are not rape victims. They are girls that have sex and don't want babies. They are guys who have sex and don't want responsibility. The end result is always a dead baby -- Most folks don't know, or block out that undeniable reality. This is a consideration that needs to be addressed when deciding on abortion.
mrflippy2 4 years ago
I completely agre with anybodies idea that we have a choice in regards to our body. We are not baby making machines. I agree with freedom of choice, but MAKE THAT CHOICE BEFORE YOU GET ACCEDENTALLY PREGNANT!!!! If you don't want to havea baby, don't have sex or take the pill or make sure your guy has a condom. You people who believe n abortion are totally fucked!!!
leann83 4 years ago 3
She complains about other blocking her, but wait, why are the ratings for this video disabled? I don't think she can take all the 1 stars- because this video sucks
thejohnstonzoo 4 years ago 2
That is so stupid. I'm like really against abortion but I don't support the war. Seriously, you are so shallow it makes me mad. And you think that killing innocent unborn babies is okay? Sigh. Okay, sorry I was so rude. I'm not usually like that when I post stuff. I really hope that God will have mercy on you and you will repent. I pray about people like you.
krolik223 4 years ago 2
I just viewed another of witchlemure's "enlightened" videos . . . Just as I suspected, she is a Drug Addict. Which means, until she is clean for at least 1 year, her opinion on Anything simply isn't valid or defensible. I suggest that anyone replying to her videos (pro life or pro abortion) to seek a less muddled view on abortion. Witchlemure (Fen) is a drug addict who is simply ranting -- Telling people to try drugs and get abortions is blatantly ludicrous by any standard.
mrflippy2 4 years ago
You are one lazy commenter did you cut and paste this comment on every video she has. Listen kiddo Leave Fen alone and go back to whatever bolder you crawled from under. I disagree with most of Fens views but atleast I have the decency to not cut and paste that is pathetic.
onclave6 4 years ago
now i see what you mean by cutting and pasting - i guess that i didn't see how this was such a pathetic act. thanks for the comment though. i see that many folks have missed the point . . . so it goes . . .
mrflippy2 4 years ago
It would be interesting to have your opinion in another 30 years or so . . . Right now, despite the formal education that you tout so proudly - you are simply a naive, self righteous child.
mrflippy2 4 years ago
I agree GOD will be the judge
WildIrishRose08 4 years ago
I am a born again christian and 100% AGAINST abortion. I am doing my part to stop abortions from taking place. I will show compassion like christ did BUT I will not accept what they are doing because it is murder and it says in the bible that if any man or woman kills one of gods innocent children that they should be put to death
WildIrishRose08 4 years ago
So you are also saying the baby deserves to die because he/she was conceived that way??? Wouldnt that make you as bad as the person murdering it
WildIrishRose08 4 years ago 2
MURDERER
WildIrishRose08 4 years ago