There are two things from which we need to be saved. We need to be saved from death (physical death) and from sin (spiritual death or separation from our Father in Heaven). Our Father in Heaven has made a way possible for all His children to be saved. The way is through His Son who is our Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ.
Our Father in Heaven has said, "For behold, this is my work and my glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man," (Moses 1:39, Pearl of Great Price).
Rather than watch "official" videos, you may also wish to participate in conversations posted in responce to average every day videos places by members of the church, that will quickly ban you should you have anything contrary to say. Recently I posted a reply to a vid by Mormonanswerman, my post contained data that he *asked* for in his video, he thereafter asked me a question, then banned me before giving me a chance to reply... this is the Mormon way, be aware of it.
And we all know where liars sources are from right?....
Any time you want to show me those "proofs"...please send them to my e-mail here on Youtube...I'll set you and your sources you quote from straight...then you can go lick your wounds...so which books and what sites do you plan to cite?....I haven't come across ANYTHING new for the last 20 years that hasn't been answered already....so bring it!...
imtherealthing - Do you know that you are going to heaven? Have you kept all of his commandments and done enough to earn your place? I ask out of love not to be antagonistic.
No one except Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible has kept all of the commandments. Salvation is a gift of grace from God thru Christ. No one can earn salvation! Our works are but filthy rags to God!!! Our works are proof of our salvation, not the way to salvation. Jesus alone is THE way, THE truth and THE life.
Dude...Mormon hate? I know its hard being brainwashed to believe in Joseph smith and all his lies but your brain is starting reading different truth...I was a member also, my whole family left the CULT after 40 years of lies...Mormons believe in a different Jesus, a different God, a false prophet..its hard to accept that..but you will find the real truth. READ THE BIBLE, ONLY THE BIBLE.
theTruthNotLies, you certainly don't practice what you preach. Remember how you blocked me after I showed you that your claims against the Church were not based on any evidence?
Don't remember? Go check your "blocked" list and maybe that will serve as a reminder. Each time I tried to write you a reply back to your PMs, I couldn't because you had blocked me.
Of course Jesus is the only perfect one. My only point is that you should be careful to throw out insults as quickly as you do, when you are guilty of the same.
Yes, the apostles were martyred but b4 they died, they had chosen leaders to continue their works. BATON-TOUCH...And u need to remember that if God really exist, He is not crazy enough letting His enemy destroy His group, the CHURCH. Lucifer cannot and will not defeat Jesus Christ! Only a fool will claim about it..that is why Joseph the foolish Smith is fool! How dare Smith insult Jesus Christ of being the unresponsible Leader of His Church/Group! YOU BLOCKED ME TOO
Christ established his Church with apostles. This position was critical to the organization of the Church. After the apostles were martyred, there were certainly still valiant men and women who tried their best, but ultimately they did not have the same priesthood authority that Christ had given His apostles.
And what are you talking about that I blocked you? Both you and TheTruthNotLies claim I've blocked you, but as long as you can comment on my videos, that's evidence that I have not.
Many People wish to deny the apostacy. Usually for personal gain as they see it. But the apostacy is self evident. Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Are you interested in learning more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (also known as the LDS or Mormon Church)? Here are a few ideas:
Your Elders (e.g.Teenagers) come around telling people that they are right and Christianity is wrong? They're barely out of Diapers! You are telling me Jesus Didn't know his own his own teachings?
President Gordon B. Hinckley said, "In the church we say, bring all the good that you have and see if we can add to it. We have so much to offer, so much the world does not know about."
That is our message--not that Christianity is wrong. Of course Jesus knew His own teachings, I'm not sure what you mean by that. He also knew, however, that a prophet needed to be called in the early 1800s...and that's why He called Joseph Smith to be a prophet.
lds9999-Pres. Hinckley said that, but the Mormon Church also teaches that a complete apostasy came, that no other church had any authority to baptize, etc., & the true church had to be restored, since it was not on the earth any longer. You shared: "That is our message--not that Christianity is wrong." However, the 1st Vision has Jesus telling J Smith "I was answered that I must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG; ...that ALL their creeds were an abomination in his sight" (JS-H 1:19)
You're exactly right that we believe an apostasy came, that the priesthood authority was lost from the earth as I mentioned, and that a restoration was therefore necessary.
Joseph Smith was instructed not to join any of them because none of them had the fullness of the gospel. Did they have many parts and many true doctrines? Of course! But certain truths, and the priesthood authority, had been lost.
lds9999-You say the priesthood authority was lost. I went further. I said "the true church had to be restored, since it was not on the earth any longer". This part is the most crucial & direct part to the whole post. Does the Mormon Church take the position that the true church no longer existed on the earth, which is the reason a RESTORATION was needed of the 'true church'?
If you look at the major creed of Christianity, many of them occurred centuries after Jesus. They were written usually by a large group who would debate and argue and finally come to a compromise of the doctrine that should be included.
If most Christians today actually picked up a copy of the Nicene creed and read it, I guarantee that most would be confused. And yet how important is the creed? It dictates the nature of God!
The First Vision shows that God and Jesus were separate beings. Is it surprising then that they would call the Nicene Creed and others false? No, because it incorrectly defined the nature of God. One of the fundamental parts of a relationship with God and Jesus is understanding their nature.
lds9999-I specifically asked about what Smith said Jesus told him, & that wasn't directly answered. You have stayed with limiting it to one creed, when I asked about "ALL their creedS were an abomination in his sight". ALL their creeds go WAY beyond the doctrine of God to salvation, and MUCH more. If Mormons would read more than a select few, or one, creed (or typically bits of 1 or 2), they would see how sweeping Smith's Jesus was. Please answer what I wrote about ALL their creedS, etc.
I personally find it offensive when people try to demean my religion by saying things like "the LDS Jesus" and "Smith's Jesus". Is it difficult to be respectful and simply say "Do you believe Jesus taught..."
As I said before, I used the Nicene Creed as an example of how the creeds were formed and the type of impact they had on doctrine. Websites exist that discuss the other creeds if you want to research those further but it's not realistic to try to discuss each individually here.
lds9999- I say the Mormon Jesus because the Bible in 2 Cor 11:3-5, 13-15 says there's another jesus, spirit and gospel that Paul did not preach. He said others have a false Jesus & gospel, and he condemned the ministers as "his [Satan's] ministers". I know that's strong, but if you want to be biblical, then the Trinitarian Jesus and the Mormon Jesus are not the same, so one or both can be wrong, but both cannot be the 'true Jesus'.
The Trinitarian Jesus is not Biblical either--that doctrine largely came out of the Nicene Creed, long after the Bible was written.
If I were to use your reasoning, I could perhaps say the "Harry Jesus", but I find that to be demeaning. Honestly, I would rather not continue this discussion if it can't be fully respectful on both sides.
Actually, trinity first appears in Matthew 28:19. The Council of Nicea determined through scripture that God was the Savior as Jesus Christ was the savior, also checkout Jophn 1:1, thus determing that God and Jesus were of the same substance. Also the Bible makes it very clear that there is only ONE God. However, in Mormonism (as described in the Bible Dictionary, there is God the Father (Elohim), Jehova (Jesus Christ) who is another God, and a third God named Holy Ghost.
"The Council of Nicea determined through scripture"
Which scriptures? Are others entitled to interpret these scriptures differently, or do we all have to interpret them the same way Nicea did?
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
Personally, I believe "one" refers to a unity of purpose. Otherwise Jesus is praying that we might all lose our individuality and become one being.
lds9999- The issue was not when and how they wrote the "major creed of Christianity". Smith claimed Jesus said "ALL their creedS are an ABOMINATION in his sight". Please note that it is a PLURAL, creedS, not a singular. It also plainly says "ALL their creeds", not just one, and not just one or more major ones. Did you notice those things? From your answer, you seemed to miss those points in my response. ALL means ALL- beginning til then. Does the LDS Jesus condemn ALL creeds as an abomination?
I used the Nicene Creed as an example of how the creeds were formed and the type of impact they had on doctrine. Websites exist that discuss the other creeds if you want to research those further but it's not realistic to try to discuss each individually here.
Describe this apostasy? Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against his word. Lets go back to that time when JFS got this revelation, and take a close look at what was being taught? You say that you are the only true church...this is nonsense as well.
First, let's look at the scripture you mentioned--Matthew 16:18. It's important to look at the preceding couple of verses where Peter gives his testimony that Jesus is the Christ. Then Jesus says that upon THIS rock, the doctrine that He is the Christ, will His Church be built.
Then, as you mentioned, He says that the "gates of hell" will not prevail against His Church. When he refers to His Church here, He's talking about the believers that are built upon the doctrine that He is the Christ.
He was not talking about this world, but rather that those who have the testimony of Jesus will not be prevailed upon by the gates of hell. Figuratively, just as there are gates of heaven, there are gates of hell. Through accepting Jesus and His gospel, believers are saved from the gates of hell.
The scripture has nothing to do with whether an apostasy would occur.
Following the death of Jesus Christ, wicked people persecuted and killed many Church members, and other Church members drifted from the principles taught by Jesus Christ and His Apostles?. The Apostles were killed and the priesthood authority—including the keys to direct and receive revelation? for the Church—was taken from the earth ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13). Because the Church was no longer led by priesthood authority and revelation, error crept into Church teachings.
Good people and much truth remained, but the gospel as established by Jesus Christ was lost, resulting in a period called the Great Apostasy. This apostasy led to the formation of many churches with conflicting teachings. Without the full gospel or the priesthood authority, people relied on human wisdom to interpret the scriptures and the principles and ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
To me the Gospel was not lost because writings of the apostles where saved and we still have letters written to them. Believers upon this gospel of Christ that was preserved through the writings of the apostels (part of the foundation for the church) was saved. Believes now have those writings, the word of God, to relay on. Believers relied on on the Holy Spirt that is then to help them understand the gospel not human wisdom.
lds9999-The keys that Peter got, were also to all Christians (Matt 18, I think), and there have always been Christians who believe in the biblical Jesus as the Christ, so the church never stopped existing on the earth. 2 Thess 2:13- context of when is needed, and it NEVER says there will be a complete lose of the church off the earth. NO Bible passages say there will be a complete lose of the church from the earth.
lds9999-Matt 16:18- the gates of hell not prevailing does refer to the church- upon the rock of Peter's confession Jesus will build his church (Jesus is the center), and the gates of hades (Greek) will not prevail against the church. The last subject is the church, and that is what the last part refers to.
lds9999-"He says that the 'gates of hell' will not prevail against His Church. When he refers to His Church here, He's talking about the believers that are built upon the doctrine that He is the Christ."
No, "shall not prevail against IT", not them. The last subject is the church. There's no qualifying to,limit it to just the Christians who are built on the doctrine of Jesus as the Christ. Besides, there have ALWAYS been those who believed that, so the church didn't end, anyway.
Harry, you actually contradict yourself in your responses. First, you acknowledge that the "church" mentioned here refers to the believers of Christ: "there have always been Christians who believe in the biblical Jesus as the Christ, so the church never stopped existing on the earth."
Then, you say that the church does not just mean these people: "There's no qualifying to,limit it to just the Christians who are built on the doctrine of Jesus as the Christ."
And as I mentioned before, since by the "church", Jesus is referring to the believers, then the "gates of hell" shall not prevail against them is not talking literally about the organization of the Church not falling into an apostasy, but rather that these believers shall be saved from the "gates of hell" through their testimony of Jesus.
As I mentioned previously, there were many good people who believed in Jesus and did their best to live His commandments. However, truths had been lost/changed and the priesthood authority to baptize and perform other ordinances was no longer on the earth.
lds9999-Please directly answer my actual question-Does the Mormon Church take the position that the TRUE CHURCH NO LONGER EXISTED on the earth, which is the reason a RESTORATION was needed of the 'true church'? NOT *just* priesthood, doctrines, etc., but plainly- did the TRUE CHURCH ITSELF NO LONGER EXISTED on earth until the Mormon Church was founded in 1830?
As I mentioned before, a church without proper priesthood authority is not the true church. Therefore, because that authority was no longer on the earth, the true church no longer existed and a restoration was needed.
There were, of course, many good Christians and many churches teaching some correct doctrines, but the fullness was missing.
lds9999-I said that the gates of hades will not prevail against the church, meaning the body of worldwide Christians. There were always those who had saving faith in Jesus, so the church never left the earth. You said that the church refers to those who believe in Christ, but you split them from the church, meaning organization. This is error. The Bible teaches ALL Christians are in the true church. Matt 16 says "the CHURCH", not splitting between Christians & an organization.
I think we agree that Matt 16:18 is referring to the body of Christians, and not the organization. It is clear, however, from other scriptures in the New Testament that an organization existed.
lds9999- Not just "certain truths" had been lost, according to a fuller understanding of LDS Church position on the 'Great Apostasy', but MAJOR & many truths have been lost, like doctrine of God, Jesus, salvation, temples, etc, as well as a post-NT corruption of the Bible that MANY truths & covenants are taken from the Bible.
"And I trust, according to the Spirit of God which is in me, that I shall also have joy over you; nevertheless I do not desire that my joy over you should come by the cause of so much afflictions and sorrow which I have had for the brethren at Zarahemla, for behold, my joy cometh over them after wading through much affliction and sorrow. "
Absolutely. If you visit mormon*org, or maps*lds*org, you can type in your city and it will show you where the closest meetinghouse is and what time the services are at. I would encourage you to visit and see for yourself what the LDS Church is like.
LDS: Believe only LDS have authority to baptize, ordain, etc. Have two-part system of priesthood—Melchizedek and Aaronic. (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, p. 80-81; D&C 107:1-21)
BIBLE: Christ brought end to Aaronic priesthood and is the only High Priest after the manner of Melchizedek. (Heb. 5:9-10; 7:11-17; 7:24-27; 2 Tim. 2:2)
Hebrews speaks of Jesus as the High Priest, and explains that Jesus is called "the Apostle and High Priest of our profession" (Hebrews 3:1). He is certainly THE Apostle and THE High Priest, but that does not mean that He is the only one. There were other Apostles, and there could also be other high priests. In fact, the New Testament indicates that Christians held the priesthood (1 Peter 2:5,9; Rev 1:6; 5:10; 20:6).
If you'd like to talk more in depth about priesthood authority, I'm happy to.
LDS: Specific acts, not man's basic nature. Must know act is wrong to be a sin. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 550, 735-736)
BIBLE: We are in spiritual rebellion until conversion. (Eph. 2:3; Rom. 5:6) We do not just commit sins; we are basically sinful. (Matt. 1:21; Jer. 17:9; Luke 5:32)
Because of the Fall of Adam and Eve "all mankind became a lost and fallen people" (Alma 12:22). King Benjamin taught that fallen man or "the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord" (Mosiah 3:19).
Those are Book of Mormon scriptures. See any contradiction with the Bible? Nope!
LDS: Universal gift. The ability to go to heaven and live forever but not same as Eternal Life. Lower level of heaven and unable to bear children. (D&C 14:7; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 237, 376-377, 670)
BIBLE: Makes no distinction between immortality and eternal life. No second class citizens in heaven. (2 Tim. 1:10; John 3:15-16)
God has always taught his children through prophets (Amos 3:7). Does the Bible contain everything that Jesus taught and did? Of course not.
Even John wrote, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written."
I am grateful that God continues to teach through prophets, even today!
LDS: Believe God, as a resurrected physical man, is literal Father of Jesus—same manner in which men are conceived on earth. Believe Matt. 1:18 is in error. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 546-547, 742)
BIBLE: Mary was "with child of the Holy Ghost." (Matt. 1:18; Luke 1:30-35)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot denter into the kingdom of God.
LDS: Hell as an institution is eternal—inmates come and go as in jail, but do not spend eternity there. Temporary. After debt is paid they will go to the Telestial Kingdom. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 349-351)
BIBLE: No mention of people getting out of Hell. (Rev. 21:8; Matt. 13:24-43, 47-50; Luke 16:26)
Inmates come and go as in hell? Haha. I'm not even sure what you're trying to refer here to.
I leant out my copy of Mormon Doctrine and I'm confident you don't own it, since these quotes are just copied and pasted, so I'm guessing you don't know what you're referring to either here.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Paul refers here to the "third heaven"--sure makes it sound like there must be a first and a second heaven!
16 The Spirit itself beareth awitness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
LDS: Only the Mormon Church. The true church was taken from the earth until Joseph Smith restored it. (D&C 1:30; 115:3, 4; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 133, 136)
BIBLE: Not an organization; as born-again Christians we are part of God's Church. (1 Cor. 12:12-14; Matt. 16:18; 18:19-20)
Those scriptures do not really make your point. Look at Matthew 18:19-20, it says that where two or three are gathered together in his name, he is in the midst of them. I completely agree with this, but does not reference the Church at all.
In the original Church, Jesus called prophets and apostles, and there were bishops and seventies, and so on. Where is this organization found today? In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
LDS: Doctrines and commandments of the LDS Church. True gospel restored by Joseph Smith. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 331; 334; Doctrine of Salvation, Vol. 1, pp. 156-159)
BIBLE: Good news of Christ's death and resurrection as atonement for our sins. (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Gal. 1:6-8)
The gospel is our Heavenly Father's plan of happiness. The central doctrine of the gospel is the Atonement of Jesus Christ. There is no disagreement here. The Prophet Joseph Smith said, "The first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost"
LDS: Teach that everyone existed in heaven before born on earth. We have existed eternally. (D&C 93:29; PGP:Bk of Abr 3:21-22; Teachings, pp. 352-354)
BIBLE: Only Christ existed before mortality, not man. (John 8:58; Col. 1:17) Our existence started on earth. (Zec. 12:1; 1 Cor. 15:46)
Please read and ponder Jeremiah 1:5; Job 38:4,7; and Ecclesiastes 12:7 for a sampling of Biblical scriptures that talk about the pre-existence. For true discussion about these scriptures, it will take more than 500 characters. I'd be happy to send you a link that goes more in detail.
LDS: Literally our elder brother, born to Heavenly Parents in the premortal life. Jesus, Lucifer and humans are all the same species and are brothers and sisters. (Gospel Principles pp. 11, 17, 18)
BIBLE: Fully God, not a subordinate deity. Eternal. (Isa. 9:6; John 8:58; 1 Tim. 3:16; Heb. 13:8; John 1:1-4, 14; Col. 1:16-17)
LDS: Granted at end of process of repentance and reformed behavior (Mormon Doctrine, p. 292-298; Gospel Principles, pp. 75-77, p. 123; Doctrine of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 133-134)
BIBLE: Complete forgiveness granted the moment we turn to Christ. (Mark 2:5; Col. 2:13-14; Eph. 1:6-7)
We believe that sins must be confessed and forsook (stopped). If a true believer turns to Christ, won't he confess his sins to God? Won't he also stop the sin if he has truly turned to Christ?
I feel like you (well the author who you copied and pasted this from) try to distort what we believe and make it sound more distant than it is--these are the same things!
LDS: Believe Christ's death brought release from grave and universal resurrection. Salvation by grace is universal resurrection. Beyond this, man must earn his place in heaven. Saved by grace after all we can do. (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:23; Mormon Doctrine pp. 669-671)
BIBLE: Salvation is not limited to universal resurrection but gift of God to those who believe. (Rom. 1:16; Heb. 9:28; Eph. 2:8-9)
This is essentially a faith v. works discussion. There are Bible verses that could be interepreted either way (or else even the largest of Christian denominations wouldn't disagree on this using only the Bible).
The Lord expects us to follow His commandments, but it is only through the grace of Christ that we can be saved. After all, if we're not doing all we can do, do we really have true faith?
Thanks for helping people find the way to let Members of the church speak for themselves. You wouldn't go to a Ford dealer to learn what good there was in a Dodge!
Such backwards thinking. When I make a decision I go to every possible source I can find. When you go to a Dodge dealer you really only learn the good things they want you to hear, same as the Ford. I want more than propoganda from someone trying to sell me something.
Sure. When I want to buy something, I usually look at customer reviews on Amazon or something. I talk to the people who have experienced it.
In almost every case of something I decide to buy, there are always a few dissenting opinions who hate the product for one reason or another (usually silly), but the vast majority of reviews are positive. That's when I decide to buy.
Even so, I don't go to a competitor for them to give me the propaganda from their perspective.
So if you don't want to read the stuff officially from the Church, fine. Talk to the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who have spent years of their lives studying the doctrine of the gospel. Ask them how the Church has helped them in their lives and what their honest opinions are.
And if you want to hear the dissenting opinions, people like moreexmo are always around to give their reasons for avoiding the Church
Most importantly, ask God. His "review" counts most
Also....I just read the entire conversation log. You someone to stop 'spamming' this video. Is it not hypocritical that I found this video from your spam?
If I remember right, someone asked a question on another video. I answered the person's questions, told them I didn't visit that video often and if they wanted to chat, feel free to visit this one which I check.
On the other hand, there was someone who posted an identical 10 comments copied and pasted (not in response to anybody) on mine and about 10 other videos all on the same day.
To me, there's a distinct difference. If you don't see it the same way, you are entitled to your opinion.
One Mormon guy I talked to said when he was on his mission in the south, he was telling a man something, and the guy said, "No! Mormons don't believe that!" He whipped out a chart that was prepared by an evangelical church, and said, "See? This is what you believe! It says so right here!" He believed something that was against their church rather than an authorized representative of it.
This video is simple and direct: If you want to learn about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Days Saints, go to RELIABLE sources, see for yourself what is lke. Example: If I want to get to know you, should I go to you and spend enough time around you to know for myself or should I go ask your someone who don't know you well and/or dislikes you? I did that myself and found out how the myths and "stories" were absurd! Take derrogatory comments about Mormons or LDS members, w "grainS" of salt
that was the most intelligent clause of script i have ever read in my entire life , "you guys crazy, me not, i home eat drink merry yay" ha ha ha he ho ha ha
When a famous little person named Tom Thumb attended a reception with Young, he tried to embarrass the church president. "Mr. Young, tell me about polygamy. I don't know very much about it," the circus performer said. "Neither did I when I was your size," came Young's reply.
President Gordon B. Hinckley's signature sense of humor punctuated many of his public addresses, including one of his last at the dedication of BYU's Alumni Center, which was named in his honor.
"Normally they don't name buildings for people who are still alive, but in this case they thought half-dead was good enough," he quipped.
Very well, done, I haven't read all the comments but I'm sure someone already pointed out the typo, out vs. our. I think people would find this to be very helpful. Good job. And yes, LDS jokes are very funny. Did you know that Moses was the first missionary trainer, he led the people of Israel through the MTC (empty sea) Aaaah, that's a bad one.
Report in a non-LDS newspaper of Mormon missionaries teaching that Joseph Smith had seen God personally and received a commission from Him to teach true religion (The Reflector, vol. 2, no. 13, 14 February 1831).
Whoever comes here to see your vid now has the whole story...Except for the "Moon Quakers", and inhabitants of the sun prophecies, and they know that the opinions of peole like you are much less reliable than the words of FLDS and LDS prophets Joseph Sith and Bring'um Young, quoted right from church published works like "History of the Church" and "Journal of Discourses".
osmiolos, let him leave. There's no point to this. No matter what could be said, no matter how many accounts could be given to disprove what he's said, it won't ever make a difference.
I think people who are truly seeking can see through things like this, especially when they have to resort to childish name calling.
D&C 41: 6 6 For it is not meet that the things which belong to the children of the kingdom should be given to them that are not worthy, or to adogs, or the bpearls to be cast before swine.
the funny thing is when people bring up things like that I immediately do an internet search to see who they are quoting. So far my theory that there is NO original thought amongst ANTImormons is correct.
Then to quote the Tanners work which even the Tanners have backed away from for more than ten years.
How can you take someone serious who can not even keep up with the latest (in the last ten years) ANTImormon LIE?
Why do you concentrate on things that are so unimportant? Why hold people of the nineteenth century to 21st century standards?
In fact, why always look for the bad, the wrong? Why not look for the good, the right, the spiritual? What GOOD does it do to look for the BAD? You're only hurting yourself!
Anger, hatred, fear, it's like a cancer, eating your soul till it's black and shrivelled. Let it go. Go to God and just let it all go. Look for the good.
I asked fairlds a simple question,they could not answer it,so they blocked me.I have since requested to be unblocked,but to no avail.Maybe reconsider the references you include in your intro.
Tez, I don't know the situation so I can't really comment on it. But I do know that it is sometimes hard to tell the difference between those who are sincerely asking questions and those who are merely asking questions in hopes of stirring up controversy. I think fairldsorg has a lot of great resources for people to learn about the Church.
Thank you. Keep up the good work of informing the public. It amazes me and at the same time makes perfect sense that that is so much ignorance out there. Most people simple do not know what we believe and because there is so much information means there is also so much misinformation as well. If I wanted to learn about the Jewish faith I would certainly not go to a Catholic Priest or a Baptist Minister likewise I would not go to any of these to learn what we believe. Thanks again.
I testify to everyone who rEads this that the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints is the onely true church on this planet. All you have to do is beleave. Please dont judge LDS people by something you read on-line. I've been to many places on this planet and nowhwre i've been so far, i came across such sweet, loving,honest , and humble people as here, in Utah.
Every thing I have posted came directly from LDS published sources, and I have properly referenced the quotes by your founders. Go ahead, look them up in your church Library in "History of the Church" and "Journal of Discourses". Use the oldest versions you can find because the church rewrites historywith every new revision. Look them up and PROVE ME WRONG !! It is your leaders who bear false witness, and you have a DUTY TO GOD to verify that you are not passing it on. CHECK IT OUT !!
Akelelfan, regardless of the source of your quotes, I consider this to be spamming on my vidoes. :) You weren't addressing anyone in particular, you weren't asking a question or trying to have a conversation. You were merely copying and pasting quotes, which doesn't accomplish anything. Please refrain from spamming again. Thanks.
D&C 98: 5-6 5 And that alaw of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me. 6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the aconstitutional law of the land;
Please provide one sourced reference. If you use scriptures, please use the scriptures of the period. the church has made over 4000 changes to the Book of Mormon alone since it's first edition. the latest changes between 2005 and 2007 included a change to the introduction to give apologist "wiggle room" due to the failed DNA testing of "Lamanites". It should be easy to prove me wrong, please post one referenced early quote that matches the "current version" of the "first vision". Go ahead !
When the light rested upon me I saw two personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name, and said--pointing to the other--
"A pillar of fire appeared above my head; which presently rested down upon me, and filled me with un- speakable joy. A personage appeared in the midst of this pillar of flame, which was spread all around and yet nothing consumed. Another personage soon appeared like unto the first: he said unto me thy sins are forgiven thee. He testified also unto me that Jesus Christ is the son of God."
1835 Account, Written by Warren A. Cowdery on Monday Nov. 9th
"I retired to a secret place in a grove and began to call upon the Lord, while fervently engaged in supplication my mind was taken away from the objects with which I was surrounded, and I was enwrapped in a heavenly vision and saw two glorious personages who exactly resembled each other in features, and likeness, surrounded with a brilliant light which eclipsed the sun at noon-day."
"It continued descending slowly, until it rested upon the earth, and he was enveloped in the midst of it. When it first came upon him, it produced a peculiar sensation throughout his whole system; and immediately, his mind was caught away, from the natural objects with which he was surrounded; and he was enwapped in a heavenly vision, and saw two glorious personages, who exactly resembled each other in their features or likeness."
"Light and peace filled his troubled heart. And again he called upon the Lord with renewed faith and spiritual strength. At this sacred moment his mind was caught away from the natural objects with which he was surrounded, and he was enwrapped in a heavenly vision, and saw two glorious personages, who exactly resembled each other in their feat
There are two things from which we need to be saved. We need to be saved from death (physical death) and from sin (spiritual death or separation from our Father in Heaven). Our Father in Heaven has made a way possible for all His children to be saved. The way is through His Son who is our Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ.
omiolo 1 year ago
Our Father in Heaven has said, "For behold, this is my work and my glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man," (Moses 1:39, Pearl of Great Price).
omiolo 1 year ago
VERY NICE
retromusic85 2 years ago
This is a great missionary tool vid....another vid I like :)
JoeyPittSteelers 2 years ago
It is an honor to see your videos on youtube.
Keep up the Good work.
Can you do a stick of j stick of j video??
wilfordwoodruff 2 years ago
Rather than watch "official" videos, you may also wish to participate in conversations posted in responce to average every day videos places by members of the church, that will quickly ban you should you have anything contrary to say. Recently I posted a reply to a vid by Mormonanswerman, my post contained data that he *asked* for in his video, he thereafter asked me a question, then banned me before giving me a chance to reply... this is the Mormon way, be aware of it.
anonalie 2 years ago
I am an "average every day" member of the Church. There is not one person banned from my videos.
Using baseless assumptions and making generalizations...this is the critics way, be aware of it.
lds9999 2 years ago
LIAR!
et00et 2 years ago
Who are you talking to?
lds9999 2 years ago
Typical anti-mormon liar...
And we all know where liars sources are from right?....
Any time you want to show me those "proofs"...please send them to my e-mail here on Youtube...I'll set you and your sources you quote from straight...then you can go lick your wounds...so which books and what sites do you plan to cite?....I haven't come across ANYTHING new for the last 20 years that hasn't been answered already....so bring it!...
imtherealthing 2 years ago
imtherealthing - Do you know that you are going to heaven? Have you kept all of his commandments and done enough to earn your place? I ask out of love not to be antagonistic.
caprison 2 years ago
No one except Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible has kept all of the commandments. Salvation is a gift of grace from God thru Christ. No one can earn salvation! Our works are but filthy rags to God!!! Our works are proof of our salvation, not the way to salvation. Jesus alone is THE way, THE truth and THE life.
lisareynolds64 2 years ago
Way to go Lisa...
theTruthNotLies 2 years ago
Dude...Mormon hate? I know its hard being brainwashed to believe in Joseph smith and all his lies but your brain is starting reading different truth...I was a member also, my whole family left the CULT after 40 years of lies...Mormons believe in a different Jesus, a different God, a false prophet..its hard to accept that..but you will find the real truth. READ THE BIBLE, ONLY THE BIBLE.
theTruthNotLies 2 years ago
That MORMONANSWERMAN is brainwashed..the truth hurts so he blocks everybody's comments to be able to read his own comments...brainwashed big time.
theTruthNotLies 2 years ago
theTruthNotLies, you certainly don't practice what you preach. Remember how you blocked me after I showed you that your claims against the Church were not based on any evidence?
Don't remember? Go check your "blocked" list and maybe that will serve as a reminder. Each time I tried to write you a reply back to your PMs, I couldn't because you had blocked me.
You talk one way but act the other. Hmm....
lds9999 2 years ago
I'm not perfect..JESUS (the biblical one not the mormon one) is perfect.
theTruthNotLies 2 years ago
Of course Jesus is the only perfect one. My only point is that you should be careful to throw out insults as quickly as you do, when you are guilty of the same.
lds9999 2 years ago
Yes, the apostles were martyred but b4 they died, they had chosen leaders to continue their works. BATON-TOUCH...And u need to remember that if God really exist, He is not crazy enough letting His enemy destroy His group, the CHURCH. Lucifer cannot and will not defeat Jesus Christ! Only a fool will claim about it..that is why Joseph the foolish Smith is fool! How dare Smith insult Jesus Christ of being the unresponsible Leader of His Church/Group! YOU BLOCKED ME TOO
et00et 2 years ago
Christ established his Church with apostles. This position was critical to the organization of the Church. After the apostles were martyred, there were certainly still valiant men and women who tried their best, but ultimately they did not have the same priesthood authority that Christ had given His apostles.
And what are you talking about that I blocked you? Both you and TheTruthNotLies claim I've blocked you, but as long as you can comment on my videos, that's evidence that I have not.
lds9999 2 years ago
No, no his enemies, but he will let his followeers destroy his church
ArmiesOfHelamen 2 years ago
Many People wish to deny the apostacy. Usually for personal gain as they see it. But the apostacy is self evident. Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
meawaking 2 years ago
Are you interested in learning more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (also known as the LDS or Mormon Church)? Here are a few ideas:
Watch Videos From Reliable Sources:
omiolo 3 years ago
Yeah I am
valhil2003 3 years ago
"Seek first to understand,
then to be understood."
Stephen Covey
rtiffanytaylor 3 years ago
Is this man like every other professing Christian: An apostate?
GodsTwoProphets 2 years ago
I agree that we need more videos of people sharing their stories and testimonies.
lds9999 3 years ago
Your Elders (e.g.Teenagers) come around telling people that they are right and Christianity is wrong? They're barely out of Diapers! You are telling me Jesus Didn't know his own his own teachings?
MOHAMBONE 3 years ago
President Gordon B. Hinckley said, "In the church we say, bring all the good that you have and see if we can add to it. We have so much to offer, so much the world does not know about."
That is our message--not that Christianity is wrong. Of course Jesus knew His own teachings, I'm not sure what you mean by that. He also knew, however, that a prophet needed to be called in the early 1800s...and that's why He called Joseph Smith to be a prophet.
lds9999 3 years ago
lds9999-Pres. Hinckley said that, but the Mormon Church also teaches that a complete apostasy came, that no other church had any authority to baptize, etc., & the true church had to be restored, since it was not on the earth any longer. You shared: "That is our message--not that Christianity is wrong." However, the 1st Vision has Jesus telling J Smith "I was answered that I must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG; ...that ALL their creeds were an abomination in his sight" (JS-H 1:19)
harry4health 3 years ago
You're exactly right that we believe an apostasy came, that the priesthood authority was lost from the earth as I mentioned, and that a restoration was therefore necessary.
Joseph Smith was instructed not to join any of them because none of them had the fullness of the gospel. Did they have many parts and many true doctrines? Of course! But certain truths, and the priesthood authority, had been lost.
lds9999 3 years ago
lds9999-You say the priesthood authority was lost. I went further. I said "the true church had to be restored, since it was not on the earth any longer". This part is the most crucial & direct part to the whole post. Does the Mormon Church take the position that the true church no longer existed on the earth, which is the reason a RESTORATION was needed of the 'true church'?
harry4health 3 years ago
A church without the proper priesthood authority is no longer the true church. Therefore, yes, a restoration was needed.
lds9999 3 years ago
If you look at the major creed of Christianity, many of them occurred centuries after Jesus. They were written usually by a large group who would debate and argue and finally come to a compromise of the doctrine that should be included.
lds9999 3 years ago
If most Christians today actually picked up a copy of the Nicene creed and read it, I guarantee that most would be confused. And yet how important is the creed? It dictates the nature of God!
The First Vision shows that God and Jesus were separate beings. Is it surprising then that they would call the Nicene Creed and others false? No, because it incorrectly defined the nature of God. One of the fundamental parts of a relationship with God and Jesus is understanding their nature.
lds9999 3 years ago
lds9999-I specifically asked about what Smith said Jesus told him, & that wasn't directly answered. You have stayed with limiting it to one creed, when I asked about "ALL their creedS were an abomination in his sight". ALL their creeds go WAY beyond the doctrine of God to salvation, and MUCH more. If Mormons would read more than a select few, or one, creed (or typically bits of 1 or 2), they would see how sweeping Smith's Jesus was. Please answer what I wrote about ALL their creedS, etc.
harry4health 3 years ago
I personally find it offensive when people try to demean my religion by saying things like "the LDS Jesus" and "Smith's Jesus". Is it difficult to be respectful and simply say "Do you believe Jesus taught..."
As I said before, I used the Nicene Creed as an example of how the creeds were formed and the type of impact they had on doctrine. Websites exist that discuss the other creeds if you want to research those further but it's not realistic to try to discuss each individually here.
lds9999 3 years ago
lds9999- I say the Mormon Jesus because the Bible in 2 Cor 11:3-5, 13-15 says there's another jesus, spirit and gospel that Paul did not preach. He said others have a false Jesus & gospel, and he condemned the ministers as "his [Satan's] ministers". I know that's strong, but if you want to be biblical, then the Trinitarian Jesus and the Mormon Jesus are not the same, so one or both can be wrong, but both cannot be the 'true Jesus'.
harry4health 3 years ago
The Trinitarian Jesus is not Biblical either--that doctrine largely came out of the Nicene Creed, long after the Bible was written.
If I were to use your reasoning, I could perhaps say the "Harry Jesus", but I find that to be demeaning. Honestly, I would rather not continue this discussion if it can't be fully respectful on both sides.
lds9999 3 years ago
Actually, trinity first appears in Matthew 28:19. The Council of Nicea determined through scripture that God was the Savior as Jesus Christ was the savior, also checkout Jophn 1:1, thus determing that God and Jesus were of the same substance. Also the Bible makes it very clear that there is only ONE God. However, in Mormonism (as described in the Bible Dictionary, there is God the Father (Elohim), Jehova (Jesus Christ) who is another God, and a third God named Holy Ghost.
thelight84 3 years ago
"The Council of Nicea determined through scripture"
Which scriptures? Are others entitled to interpret these scriptures differently, or do we all have to interpret them the same way Nicea did?
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."
Personally, I believe "one" refers to a unity of purpose. Otherwise Jesus is praying that we might all lose our individuality and become one being.
Buttons840 3 years ago
lds9999- The issue was not when and how they wrote the "major creed of Christianity". Smith claimed Jesus said "ALL their creedS are an ABOMINATION in his sight". Please note that it is a PLURAL, creedS, not a singular. It also plainly says "ALL their creeds", not just one, and not just one or more major ones. Did you notice those things? From your answer, you seemed to miss those points in my response. ALL means ALL- beginning til then. Does the LDS Jesus condemn ALL creeds as an abomination?
harry4health 3 years ago
I used the Nicene Creed as an example of how the creeds were formed and the type of impact they had on doctrine. Websites exist that discuss the other creeds if you want to research those further but it's not realistic to try to discuss each individually here.
lds9999 3 years ago
Oh really? That is so stupid...which truths?
Describe this apostasy? Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against his word. Lets go back to that time when JFS got this revelation, and take a close look at what was being taught? You say that you are the only true church...this is nonsense as well.
MOHAMBONE 3 years ago
First, let's look at the scripture you mentioned--Matthew 16:18. It's important to look at the preceding couple of verses where Peter gives his testimony that Jesus is the Christ. Then Jesus says that upon THIS rock, the doctrine that He is the Christ, will His Church be built.
Then, as you mentioned, He says that the "gates of hell" will not prevail against His Church. When he refers to His Church here, He's talking about the believers that are built upon the doctrine that He is the Christ.
lds9999 3 years ago
He was not talking about this world, but rather that those who have the testimony of Jesus will not be prevailed upon by the gates of hell. Figuratively, just as there are gates of heaven, there are gates of hell. Through accepting Jesus and His gospel, believers are saved from the gates of hell.
The scripture has nothing to do with whether an apostasy would occur.
lds9999 3 years ago
Following the death of Jesus Christ, wicked people persecuted and killed many Church members, and other Church members drifted from the principles taught by Jesus Christ and His Apostles?. The Apostles were killed and the priesthood authority—including the keys to direct and receive revelation? for the Church—was taken from the earth ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13). Because the Church was no longer led by priesthood authority and revelation, error crept into Church teachings.
lds9999 3 years ago
Good people and much truth remained, but the gospel as established by Jesus Christ was lost, resulting in a period called the Great Apostasy. This apostasy led to the formation of many churches with conflicting teachings. Without the full gospel or the priesthood authority, people relied on human wisdom to interpret the scriptures and the principles and ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
lds9999 3 years ago
To me the Gospel was not lost because writings of the apostles where saved and we still have letters written to them. Believers upon this gospel of Christ that was preserved through the writings of the apostels (part of the foundation for the church) was saved. Believes now have those writings, the word of God, to relay on. Believers relied on on the Holy Spirt that is then to help them understand the gospel not human wisdom.
waterplo12 2 years ago
lds9999-The keys that Peter got, were also to all Christians (Matt 18, I think), and there have always been Christians who believe in the biblical Jesus as the Christ, so the church never stopped existing on the earth. 2 Thess 2:13- context of when is needed, and it NEVER says there will be a complete lose of the church off the earth. NO Bible passages say there will be a complete lose of the church from the earth.
harry4health 3 years ago
lds9999-Matt 16:18- the gates of hell not prevailing does refer to the church- upon the rock of Peter's confession Jesus will build his church (Jesus is the center), and the gates of hades (Greek) will not prevail against the church. The last subject is the church, and that is what the last part refers to.
harry4health 3 years ago
lds9999-"He says that the 'gates of hell' will not prevail against His Church. When he refers to His Church here, He's talking about the believers that are built upon the doctrine that He is the Christ."
No, "shall not prevail against IT", not them. The last subject is the church. There's no qualifying to,limit it to just the Christians who are built on the doctrine of Jesus as the Christ. Besides, there have ALWAYS been those who believed that, so the church didn't end, anyway.
harry4health 3 years ago
Harry, you actually contradict yourself in your responses. First, you acknowledge that the "church" mentioned here refers to the believers of Christ: "there have always been Christians who believe in the biblical Jesus as the Christ, so the church never stopped existing on the earth."
Then, you say that the church does not just mean these people: "There's no qualifying to,limit it to just the Christians who are built on the doctrine of Jesus as the Christ."
lds9999 3 years ago
And as I mentioned before, since by the "church", Jesus is referring to the believers, then the "gates of hell" shall not prevail against them is not talking literally about the organization of the Church not falling into an apostasy, but rather that these believers shall be saved from the "gates of hell" through their testimony of Jesus.
lds9999 3 years ago
As I mentioned previously, there were many good people who believed in Jesus and did their best to live His commandments. However, truths had been lost/changed and the priesthood authority to baptize and perform other ordinances was no longer on the earth.
lds9999 3 years ago
lds9999-Please directly answer my actual question-Does the Mormon Church take the position that the TRUE CHURCH NO LONGER EXISTED on the earth, which is the reason a RESTORATION was needed of the 'true church'? NOT *just* priesthood, doctrines, etc., but plainly- did the TRUE CHURCH ITSELF NO LONGER EXISTED on earth until the Mormon Church was founded in 1830?
harry4health 3 years ago
As I mentioned before, a church without proper priesthood authority is not the true church. Therefore, because that authority was no longer on the earth, the true church no longer existed and a restoration was needed.
There were, of course, many good Christians and many churches teaching some correct doctrines, but the fullness was missing.
lds9999 3 years ago
Define priesthood authority for me.
GodsTwoProphets 2 years ago
Authority given by God to act in His name.
petersenplayground 2 years ago
lds9999-I said that the gates of hades will not prevail against the church, meaning the body of worldwide Christians. There were always those who had saving faith in Jesus, so the church never left the earth. You said that the church refers to those who believe in Christ, but you split them from the church, meaning organization. This is error. The Bible teaches ALL Christians are in the true church. Matt 16 says "the CHURCH", not splitting between Christians & an organization.
harry4health 3 years ago
I think we agree that Matt 16:18 is referring to the body of Christians, and not the organization. It is clear, however, from other scriptures in the New Testament that an organization existed.
lds9999 3 years ago
when was the great Apostasy? Are you saying that Jesus told Joseph smith that All The Christians were in Apostasy? That's Just not true.
MOHAMBONE 3 years ago
At that time, Christianity had fallen into apostasy because certain truths and the priesthood had been lost.
lds9999 3 years ago
lds9999- Not just "certain truths" had been lost, according to a fuller understanding of LDS Church position on the 'Great Apostasy', but MAJOR & many truths have been lost, like doctrine of God, Jesus, salvation, temples, etc, as well as a post-NT corruption of the Bible that MANY truths & covenants are taken from the Bible.
harry4health 3 years ago
For all these reasons and more, we need Heavenly Fathers help. An important source of this help comes through mans service to his fellowman
omiolo 3 years ago
"You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink." But at least you helped him find water.
rtiffanytaylor 3 years ago 3
Alma 7:5
"And I trust, according to the Spirit of God which is in me, that I shall also have joy over you; nevertheless I do not desire that my joy over you should come by the cause of so much afflictions and sorrow which I have had for the brethren at Zarahemla, for behold, my joy cometh over them after wading through much affliction and sorrow. "
osmiolos 3 years ago
"but that's just my opinion.
God bless. "
and what an HONEST opinion it is!
It is amazing how right HONESTY can be!
osmiolos 3 years ago
Can non-mormons go the the LDS church on Sunday or do I need a special pass?
pancakes99 3 years ago
Absolutely. If you visit mormon*org, or maps*lds*org, you can type in your city and it will show you where the closest meetinghouse is and what time the services are at. I would encourage you to visit and see for yourself what the LDS Church is like.
lds9999 3 years ago
yes, these websites are wonderful for anyone that has curiosity and or sincere questions.
It is amazing how refreshing it is to know the truth about a group!
osmiolos 3 years ago
Thanks...I wrote the sites and other stuff down on paper so i won't forget, which i tend to do more than often. Anyway thanks!
Singerforever11123 3 years ago
Good info...thanks!
BernieBucks78 3 years ago
How wonderful!! You have clearly put your heart and soul into this. My family will do our part and forward your video.
May you be blessed for your efforts!
mardelnmike 3 years ago
Thank you, I appreciate it!
lds9999 3 years ago
AUTHORITY - PRIESTHOOD
LDS: Believe only LDS have authority to baptize, ordain, etc. Have two-part system of priesthood—Melchizedek and Aaronic. (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, p. 80-81; D&C 107:1-21)
BIBLE: Christ brought end to Aaronic priesthood and is the only High Priest after the manner of Melchizedek. (Heb. 5:9-10; 7:11-17; 7:24-27; 2 Tim. 2:2)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
Hebrews speaks of Jesus as the High Priest, and explains that Jesus is called "the Apostle and High Priest of our profession" (Hebrews 3:1). He is certainly THE Apostle and THE High Priest, but that does not mean that He is the only one. There were other Apostles, and there could also be other high priests. In fact, the New Testament indicates that Christians held the priesthood (1 Peter 2:5,9; Rev 1:6; 5:10; 20:6).
If you'd like to talk more in depth about priesthood authority, I'm happy to.
lds9999 3 years ago
SIN
LDS: Specific acts, not man's basic nature. Must know act is wrong to be a sin. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 550, 735-736)
BIBLE: We are in spiritual rebellion until conversion. (Eph. 2:3; Rom. 5:6) We do not just commit sins; we are basically sinful. (Matt. 1:21; Jer. 17:9; Luke 5:32)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
Because of the Fall of Adam and Eve "all mankind became a lost and fallen people" (Alma 12:22). King Benjamin taught that fallen man or "the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord" (Mosiah 3:19).
Those are Book of Mormon scriptures. See any contradiction with the Bible? Nope!
lds9999 3 years ago
Wrong Exodus314iam, actually we believe that sins are man's basic nature.
WE BELIEVE that: The natural man is an enemy of God. Can't remember the source of quote. Think it's in the scriptures. maybe 1st Nephi
ArmiesOfHelamen 3 years ago 2
IMMORTALITY
LDS: Universal gift. The ability to go to heaven and live forever but not same as Eternal Life. Lower level of heaven and unable to bear children. (D&C 14:7; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 237, 376-377, 670)
BIBLE: Makes no distinction between immortality and eternal life. No second class citizens in heaven. (2 Tim. 1:10; John 3:15-16)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
God has always taught his children through prophets (Amos 3:7). Does the Bible contain everything that Jesus taught and did? Of course not.
Even John wrote, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written."
I am grateful that God continues to teach through prophets, even today!
lds9999 3 years ago
VIRGIN BIRTH
LDS: Believe God, as a resurrected physical man, is literal Father of Jesus—same manner in which men are conceived on earth. Believe Matt. 1:18 is in error. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 546-547, 742)
BIBLE: Mary was "with child of the Holy Ghost." (Matt. 1:18; Luke 1:30-35)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
This is not Mormon doctrine and you are what is in error here, not Matthew 1:18.
We believe what is contained in the Holy Scriptures.
lds9999 3 years ago
BORN AGAIN
LDS: Baptism into the LDS Church. (Mormon Doctrine, p. 101)
BIBLE: We are spiritually dead until our spiritual birth. (1 Pet. 1:23; 2 Cor. 5:17; John 3:7, 14, 15)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
Seriously....your page lists your hometown as heaven? Ol' God sure seems to love the stupidly arrogant.
moreexmo 3 years ago
John 3:3-5 is pretty clear about this too.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot denter into the kingdom of God.
That is what we believe.
lds9999 3 years ago
HELL
LDS: Hell as an institution is eternal—inmates come and go as in jail, but do not spend eternity there. Temporary. After debt is paid they will go to the Telestial Kingdom. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 349-351)
BIBLE: No mention of people getting out of Hell. (Rev. 21:8; Matt. 13:24-43, 47-50; Luke 16:26)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
Inmates come and go as in hell? Haha. I'm not even sure what you're trying to refer here to.
I leant out my copy of Mormon Doctrine and I'm confident you don't own it, since these quotes are just copied and pasted, so I'm guessing you don't know what you're referring to either here.
lds9999 3 years ago
HEAVEN
LDS: Divided into three kingdoms—Celestial, Terrestrial and Telestial. A place for almost everyone. (D&C 88:16-20; Misuse of 1 Cor. 15:40-41)
BIBLE: Only mentions two conditions—everlasting punishment or eternal life. (Matt. 25:31-46; 2 Thess. 1:7-10)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
Your version of Zombie Zesus is every bit as retarded as the Mormon version.
moreexmo 3 years ago
1 Corinthians 15:40-42
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.
lds9999 3 years ago
2 Corinthians 12:2:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Paul refers here to the "third heaven"--sure makes it sound like there must be a first and a second heaven!
lds9999 3 years ago
SONS OF GOD
LDS: We were all born in heaven, prior to earth, as literal spirit children of God and his wife. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 589-590)
BIBLE: Spiritually adopted at conversion. (John 1:12; Gal. 3:26)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth awitness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Acts 17:28
For in him we alive, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
lds9999 3 years ago
Job 38
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath alaid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
So when the foundations of the earth were laid, the "sons of God" were shouting for joy. Children in the preexistence then?
lds9999 3 years ago
TRUE CHURCH
LDS: Only the Mormon Church. The true church was taken from the earth until Joseph Smith restored it. (D&C 1:30; 115:3, 4; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 133, 136)
BIBLE: Not an organization; as born-again Christians we are part of God's Church. (1 Cor. 12:12-14; Matt. 16:18; 18:19-20)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
Those scriptures do not really make your point. Look at Matthew 18:19-20, it says that where two or three are gathered together in his name, he is in the midst of them. I completely agree with this, but does not reference the Church at all.
In the original Church, Jesus called prophets and apostles, and there were bishops and seventies, and so on. Where is this organization found today? In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
lds9999 3 years ago
GOSPEL
LDS: Doctrines and commandments of the LDS Church. True gospel restored by Joseph Smith. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 331; 334; Doctrine of Salvation, Vol. 1, pp. 156-159)
BIBLE: Good news of Christ's death and resurrection as atonement for our sins. (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Gal. 1:6-8)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
The gospel is our Heavenly Father's plan of happiness. The central doctrine of the gospel is the Atonement of Jesus Christ. There is no disagreement here. The Prophet Joseph Smith said, "The first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost"
lds9999 3 years ago
PREMORTAL LIFE
LDS: Teach that everyone existed in heaven before born on earth. We have existed eternally. (D&C 93:29; PGP:Bk of Abr 3:21-22; Teachings, pp. 352-354)
BIBLE: Only Christ existed before mortality, not man. (John 8:58; Col. 1:17) Our existence started on earth. (Zec. 12:1; 1 Cor. 15:46)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
Please read and ponder Jeremiah 1:5; Job 38:4,7; and Ecclesiastes 12:7 for a sampling of Biblical scriptures that talk about the pre-existence. For true discussion about these scriptures, it will take more than 500 characters. I'd be happy to send you a link that goes more in detail.
lds9999 3 years ago
JESUS CHRIST
LDS: Literally our elder brother, born to Heavenly Parents in the premortal life. Jesus, Lucifer and humans are all the same species and are brothers and sisters. (Gospel Principles pp. 11, 17, 18)
BIBLE: Fully God, not a subordinate deity. Eternal. (Isa. 9:6; John 8:58; 1 Tim. 3:16; Heb. 13:8; John 1:1-4, 14; Col. 1:16-17)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
If you're actually interested in the answer, I would suggest reading:
fairlds*org / pubs / JesusSatan*pdf
and
tinyurl*com / jesusbrothers
lds9999 3 years ago
FORGIVENESS
LDS: Granted at end of process of repentance and reformed behavior (Mormon Doctrine, p. 292-298; Gospel Principles, pp. 75-77, p. 123; Doctrine of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 133-134)
BIBLE: Complete forgiveness granted the moment we turn to Christ. (Mark 2:5; Col. 2:13-14; Eph. 1:6-7)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
We believe that sins must be confessed and forsook (stopped). If a true believer turns to Christ, won't he confess his sins to God? Won't he also stop the sin if he has truly turned to Christ?
I feel like you (well the author who you copied and pasted this from) try to distort what we believe and make it sound more distant than it is--these are the same things!
lds9999 3 years ago
LDS: Believe Christ's death brought release from grave and universal resurrection. Salvation by grace is universal resurrection. Beyond this, man must earn his place in heaven. Saved by grace after all we can do. (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:23; Mormon Doctrine pp. 669-671)
BIBLE: Salvation is not limited to universal resurrection but gift of God to those who believe. (Rom. 1:16; Heb. 9:28; Eph. 2:8-9)
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
This is essentially a faith v. works discussion. There are Bible verses that could be interepreted either way (or else even the largest of Christian denominations wouldn't disagree on this using only the Bible).
The Lord expects us to follow His commandments, but it is only through the grace of Christ that we can be saved. After all, if we're not doing all we can do, do we really have true faith?
lds9999 3 years ago
Thanks for helping people find the way to let Members of the church speak for themselves. You wouldn't go to a Ford dealer to learn what good there was in a Dodge!
GramaJane 3 years ago
Thanks GramaJane, I appreciate your comment!
lds9999 3 years ago
Such backwards thinking. When I make a decision I go to every possible source I can find. When you go to a Dodge dealer you really only learn the good things they want you to hear, same as the Ford. I want more than propoganda from someone trying to sell me something.
moreexmo 3 years ago
Sure. When I want to buy something, I usually look at customer reviews on Amazon or something. I talk to the people who have experienced it.
In almost every case of something I decide to buy, there are always a few dissenting opinions who hate the product for one reason or another (usually silly), but the vast majority of reviews are positive. That's when I decide to buy.
Even so, I don't go to a competitor for them to give me the propaganda from their perspective.
lds9999 3 years ago
So if you don't want to read the stuff officially from the Church, fine. Talk to the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who have spent years of their lives studying the doctrine of the gospel. Ask them how the Church has helped them in their lives and what their honest opinions are.
And if you want to hear the dissenting opinions, people like moreexmo are always around to give their reasons for avoiding the Church
Most importantly, ask God. His "review" counts most
lds9999 3 years ago
Lol...sorry, I meant to say you told someone.
alwysmormon 3 years ago
Also....I just read the entire conversation log. You someone to stop 'spamming' this video. Is it not hypocritical that I found this video from your spam?
alwysmormon 3 years ago
If I remember right, someone asked a question on another video. I answered the person's questions, told them I didn't visit that video often and if they wanted to chat, feel free to visit this one which I check.
On the other hand, there was someone who posted an identical 10 comments copied and pasted (not in response to anybody) on mine and about 10 other videos all on the same day.
To me, there's a distinct difference. If you don't see it the same way, you are entitled to your opinion.
lds9999 3 years ago
your belief system is flawed and your theology contradicts the BOM as well as the bible
Sandmanofamarillo 3 years ago
well, I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion. You are wrong, of course, but that's just my opinion.
God bless.
lindalds 3 years ago 2
Well in my opinion you are wrong about Christianity and Religion in general.
That is my opinion.
Thor bless
stargateproductions 3 years ago
One Mormon guy I talked to said when he was on his mission in the south, he was telling a man something, and the guy said, "No! Mormons don't believe that!" He whipped out a chart that was prepared by an evangelical church, and said, "See? This is what you believe! It says so right here!" He believed something that was against their church rather than an authorized representative of it.
Stupid people prefer to remain stupid.
1hidden 3 years ago
I am happy for your video, although its been a long time that i am a member I learn a lot in this video. thanks
footprintsbyjoenel 3 years ago
I like it. I'm concerned that not many people will view it unless you give it snazzy name like "Mormons -- Truth Revealed." LOL.
billsoule 3 years ago
Maybe not, but I made it for those who are actually interested in learning more.
And 2,500 views in 5 days isn't a bad start. :)
lds9999 3 years ago
This video is simple and direct: If you want to learn about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Days Saints, go to RELIABLE sources, see for yourself what is lke. Example: If I want to get to know you, should I go to you and spend enough time around you to know for myself or should I go ask your someone who don't know you well and/or dislikes you? I did that myself and found out how the myths and "stories" were absurd! Take derrogatory comments about Mormons or LDS members, w "grainS" of salt
PapilioMemnon 3 years ago
You're all insane! While you're all in you're crap church wasting your lives, I'm at home, or with my friends enjoying my life.
Cleveland5150 3 years ago
that was the most intelligent clause of script i have ever read in my entire life , "you guys crazy, me not, i home eat drink merry yay" ha ha ha he ho ha ha
jacecrawford 3 years ago
This is good! I hope people actually watch it so they can know what are relible scorces they can trust, and what is false.
perkyprincessh 3 years ago
I worry we have become a society that only wants to SPIN and throw MUD. We don't want to learn the truth about others!
omiolo 3 years ago
When a famous little person named Tom Thumb attended a reception with Young, he tried to embarrass the church president. "Mr. Young, tell me about polygamy. I don't know very much about it," the circus performer said. "Neither did I when I was your size," came Young's reply.
osmiolos 3 years ago 2
President Gordon B. Hinckley's signature sense of humor punctuated many of his public addresses, including one of his last at the dedication of BYU's Alumni Center, which was named in his honor.
"Normally they don't name buildings for people who are still alive, but in this case they thought half-dead was good enough," he quipped.
osmiolos 3 years ago 2
Very well, done, I haven't read all the comments but I'm sure someone already pointed out the typo, out vs. our. I think people would find this to be very helpful. Good job. And yes, LDS jokes are very funny. Did you know that Moses was the first missionary trainer, he led the people of Israel through the MTC (empty sea) Aaaah, that's a bad one.
awatson1968 3 years ago
Actually no one had pointed that out yet! Oh well, I guess it blends in. :)
Haha, that is a pretty bad one.
lds9999 3 years ago
Wow, nice comment section... I didn't see "call LDS a joke in the comments" as one of the ways to learn more.
Anyway, that's a good video. Thanks.
LamanKnight 3 years ago
"I need thee ev'ry hour,
Most gracious Lord.
No tender voice like thine
Can peace afford.
I need thee, oh, I need thee;
Ev'ry hour I need thee!
Oh, bless me now, my Savior;
I come to thee!"
osmiolos 3 years ago 2
I Love that song... It's one of my favorite hymns!!! :)
iammandy123 3 years ago
LDS is a Joke!
Greg123579 3 years ago
"LDS is a Joke! "
I think you mean LDS tell good clean jokes!
We are very family orientated!
osmiolos 3 years ago
lol
iammandy123 3 years ago
Report in a non-LDS newspaper of Mormon missionaries teaching that Joseph Smith had seen God personally and received a commission from Him to teach true religion (The Reflector, vol. 2, no. 13, 14 February 1831).
osmiolos 3 years ago
I said ANY CHURCH published works !
I can do this all day, but there is no point.
Whoever comes here to see your vid now has the whole story...Except for the "Moon Quakers", and inhabitants of the sun prophecies, and they know that the opinions of peole like you are much less reliable than the words of FLDS and LDS prophets Joseph Sith and Bring'um Young, quoted right from church published works like "History of the Church" and "Journal of Discourses".
Jesus saves, no help needed....
AKEVELFAN 3 years ago
"I said ANY CHURCH published works !"
I knew you had some game to play.
here is ONE
"Journal of Discourses, Vol.13, pp.65-66"
We have many more!
osmiolos 3 years ago
"I said ANY CHURCH published works !"
I think you should reread LDS9999's posts. This time for comprehension. Let me know how many of them were NOT in church published works!
Why is bearing false witness considered acceptable by your standards???
osmiolos 3 years ago
osmiolos, let him leave. There's no point to this. No matter what could be said, no matter how many accounts could be given to disprove what he's said, it won't ever make a difference.
I think people who are truly seeking can see through things like this, especially when they have to resort to childish name calling.
lds9999 3 years ago
D&C 41: 6 6 For it is not meet that the things which belong to the children of the kingdom should be given to them that are not worthy, or to adogs, or the bpearls to be cast before swine.
AKEVELFAN 3 years ago
"osmiolos, let him leave. There's no point to this"
I thought his point was to help us increase the number of views,and comments.
No?
osmiolos 3 years ago
Good point!
lds9999 3 years ago
"Good point! "
the funny thing is when people bring up things like that I immediately do an internet search to see who they are quoting. So far my theory that there is NO original thought amongst ANTImormons is correct.
Then to quote the Tanners work which even the Tanners have backed away from for more than ten years.
How can you take someone serious who can not even keep up with the latest (in the last ten years) ANTImormon LIE?
osmiolos 3 years ago
Why do you concentrate on things that are so unimportant? Why hold people of the nineteenth century to 21st century standards?
In fact, why always look for the bad, the wrong? Why not look for the good, the right, the spiritual? What GOOD does it do to look for the BAD? You're only hurting yourself!
Anger, hatred, fear, it's like a cancer, eating your soul till it's black and shrivelled. Let it go. Go to God and just let it all go. Look for the good.
God bless.
lindalds 3 years ago 3
I asked fairlds a simple question,they could not answer it,so they blocked me.I have since requested to be unblocked,but to no avail.Maybe reconsider the references you include in your intro.
tezkingkong 3 years ago
Tez, I don't know the situation so I can't really comment on it. But I do know that it is sometimes hard to tell the difference between those who are sincerely asking questions and those who are merely asking questions in hopes of stirring up controversy. I think fairldsorg has a lot of great resources for people to learn about the Church.
lds9999 3 years ago
Ok,thanks,but maybe they could have allowed me to ask more than one question to discern which category I fall into.
tezkingkong 3 years ago
What questions are you referring to?
DLS291977 3 years ago
Thank you. Keep up the good work of informing the public. It amazes me and at the same time makes perfect sense that that is so much ignorance out there. Most people simple do not know what we believe and because there is so much information means there is also so much misinformation as well. If I wanted to learn about the Jewish faith I would certainly not go to a Catholic Priest or a Baptist Minister likewise I would not go to any of these to learn what we believe. Thanks again.
pangeanet 3 years ago
nice job!!!..keep it up!smiles
toble7sarah 3 years ago
This is awesome! It is a very useful collection of videos about LDS Chruch especially for new members, Catechumens, or non-members.
yihintube 3 years ago
This is a good summary video on where to find more information. Thank you.
ldsneighbor 3 years ago 2
I testify to everyone who rEads this that the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints is the onely true church on this planet. All you have to do is beleave. Please dont judge LDS people by something you read on-line. I've been to many places on this planet and nowhwre i've been so far, i came across such sweet, loving,honest , and humble people as here, in Utah.
violet1031 3 years ago
Warren Jeffs Vs Joseph Smith
Same Polygamy. Same Book of Mormon. Same underage girls. Some psychological abuse of members.
Joseph Smith, Warren Jeffs, Same - Same - Same.
FLDS, LDS, SAME SAME SAME.
AKEVELFAN 3 years ago
was this a question...or are you here to sling mud?
osmiolos 3 years ago
Eph 5:8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light
Eph 5:9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
Eph 5:10 and find out what pleases the Lord.
Eph 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
Eph 5:12 For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret.
Eph 5:13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible
AKEVELFAN 3 years ago 2
can you find anything in your bible about NOT bearing false witness....or was that crossed out?
osmiolos 3 years ago
Every thing I have posted came directly from LDS published sources, and I have properly referenced the quotes by your founders. Go ahead, look them up in your church Library in "History of the Church" and "Journal of Discourses". Use the oldest versions you can find because the church rewrites historywith every new revision. Look them up and PROVE ME WRONG !! It is your leaders who bear false witness, and you have a DUTY TO GOD to verify that you are not passing it on. CHECK IT OUT !!
AKEVELFAN 3 years ago
Akelelfan, regardless of the source of your quotes, I consider this to be spamming on my vidoes. :) You weren't addressing anyone in particular, you weren't asking a question or trying to have a conversation. You were merely copying and pasting quotes, which doesn't accomplish anything. Please refrain from spamming again. Thanks.
lds9999 3 years ago
LDS666 -
Ain't the first amendment great ? !!
I have just as much right to be here as you.
D&C 98: 5-6 5 And that alaw of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me. 6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the aconstitutional law of the land;
AKEVELFAN 3 years ago
Ah yes, always have to appreciate the mature name-calling.
lds9999 3 years ago
akevelfan said
"Every thing I have posted came directly from LDS published sources"
Osmiolos says: That is a LIE a damnable ANTImormon LIE
PROOF:
and I quote "until after the death of Brigham Young the church proclaimed that angels appeared in the First Vision"
Why must you bear false witness is that NOT a sin in your religion?
osmiolos 3 years ago
Please provide one sourced reference. If you use scriptures, please use the scriptures of the period. the church has made over 4000 changes to the Book of Mormon alone since it's first edition. the latest changes between 2005 and 2007 included a change to the introduction to give apologist "wiggle room" due to the failed DNA testing of "Lamanites". It should be easy to prove me wrong, please post one referenced early quote that matches the "current version" of the "first vision". Go ahead !
AKEVELFAN 3 years ago
When the light rested upon me I saw two personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name, and said--pointing to the other--
"THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, HEAR HIM."
History of the Church Vol. 1 Ch. 1
lds9999 3 years ago
"A pillar of fire appeared above my head; which presently rested down upon me, and filled me with un- speakable joy. A personage appeared in the midst of this pillar of flame, which was spread all around and yet nothing consumed. Another personage soon appeared like unto the first: he said unto me thy sins are forgiven thee. He testified also unto me that Jesus Christ is the son of God."
1835 Account, Written by Warren A. Cowdery on Monday Nov. 9th
lds9999 3 years ago
"I retired to a secret place in a grove and began to call upon the Lord, while fervently engaged in supplication my mind was taken away from the objects with which I was surrounded, and I was enwrapped in a heavenly vision and saw two glorious personages who exactly resembled each other in features, and likeness, surrounded with a brilliant light which eclipsed the sun at noon-day."
1842 Wentworth letter account
lds9999 3 years ago
"It continued descending slowly, until it rested upon the earth, and he was enveloped in the midst of it. When it first came upon him, it produced a peculiar sensation throughout his whole system; and immediately, his mind was caught away, from the natural objects with which he was surrounded; and he was enwapped in a heavenly vision, and saw two glorious personages, who exactly resembled each other in their features or likeness."
1840 Orson Pratt account
lds9999 3 years ago
"Light and peace filled his troubled heart. And again he called upon the Lord with renewed faith and spiritual strength. At this sacred moment his mind was caught away from the natural objects with which he was surrounded, and he was enwrapped in a heavenly vision, and saw two glorious personages, who exactly resembled each other in their feat