Socratic Method (from the DVD "All About Law School"

[drakeboorer]

Is this for real? Socaris crated this method to give birth to truth . to come to truth by asking quetions. This Vidio is distorted and has no relevence to the socates methiod.

[jolley89]

Wait. Am I missing something? Why does the video say Socrates got his method from Aristotle? I thought Plato was a student of Socrates and Aristotle was a student of Plato. Aristotle was born 15+ years after Socrates died.

Just a thought. This info is really helpful though. Keep up the good work!

[Dipstikk]

Professors will be lurking around every corner, teeth bared, waiting to pounce and tear out your throat, and god help you if you struggle even once or else you'll get an F for the whole course.

SIGN ME UP!

[danielcooper1000]

We can never find justice at the hands of corrupt judges. (See YouTube videos) Judge to Judge on Illegal Payments to Judges / Evil Triangle of Court Corruption / Richard Fine / Dr Shirley Moore /SBX 211. The fight to end this title wave of corruption in our country must start with the corrupt judges. We can not bring evidence of corruption to corrupt judges. Los Angeles Superior Court judges are illegally and unconstitutionally taking 50,000.00 each for a total of 23 million per year.

[menonfire12]

ahahahah

[sebwingfield]

Also, if at the end of my courses they are still bad piano players, they are so demoralized from all of the public humiliation that they blame their own perceived inadaquecies instead of blaming me for their failures (i.e. instead of blaming the one who just raped and robbed them).

[sebwingfield]

I teach piano by socratic method. I don't give the students any of the notes of the song I want them to learn. Why should I spoon feed them the notes of the song instead of making them figure them out for themselves. If they hit the wrong note I publicly humiliate them. And this way, they learn to think. The most brilliant part of it is I make a fortune on the lessons because I get paid by the semester and, this way, it takes an antire semester to learn one song.

[mikehoe]

why is this DVD so expensive? do you have a coupon for me? Serious.

[kalferes003]

This is not the Socratic Method...Socrates didn't use scare tactics and humiliation. He would simply ask questions to whomever he is talking to to make them find out the answer on their own.

[galacticox4]

Advice: Just DO YOUR READING!

Note: If you can't get it all done do the the first ones to be discussed. Then try and read the last ones, if someone else is getting called on the first ones.

If you're utterly unprepared it's often better to not go.

final word: when you finally get the hang of it. you'll probably get called on a lot less. Then you'll want to get called on. lol.

[MeechiganBoy]

Passing entails a degree of shame lol

[yousurfer2]

Is this law school from the 18th century?

[Doodoorump]

I like how they say Socrates took a dialectic method 'already' in use by Aristotle...

...LOL. Aristotle was Plato's student, who himself was a student of Socrates. Socrates was a pioneer because he applied logic to questions that weren't thought to be the province of philosophers.

Then again, most of the people interviewed were from TTT Loyola. Guess we shouldn't hold these documentary makers to that high of a standard.

[jetliigor]

Socratic method is an excellent way to make you read. But you're in law school you must read whether you're going to be picked or not. When i was chosen i did faily well. I do read everything a few times just incase i missed anything the first time, the second time... Lucky for me after the professor saw i knew the correct answers after about 10 minutes of torture he moved on to the next. Made me nervous but i tried not to show it. I showed confidence.

[YogiToad]

This is NOT the Socratic Method. What Socrates said about his own method was,that he used questions to cause someone to debunk their own theories,and then would would "birth" their own wisdom as a midwife helps bear children. What these professors are doing is not Socratic, its interrogation.

[9thelastone6]

Socrates did not in fact invent the socratic method he just adapted it

[RobtheNakedGuitarist]

Exactly.. What the hell is socratic about this?

Knowledge is contained within, and we just have to find it, is what the socrates method would argue - akin to a "yes ladder." I don't know why interrogating is being labeled Socratic.

[VeritasTruthEmet]

@YogiToad in the context of law school, it is the Socratic Method. However, any my school we NEVER get ANY answer. We just get the wrong answers ridiculed.

Socrates was a great teacher and his methods of instruction are the reference, not his political dialectic. Study a little more before you speak nonsense.

[limboquixote]

Been here on the Literary end of the dialectical spectrum. But I am also fascinated by Philosophy and Law.

[raewyon]

Yeah, I find the last part of the video stragnge. I thought Aristotle got his inspiration from Socrates, being a discipline of Plato, who was in turn a student of Socrates... How could they mess this up? Apparently, they didn't prepare for class... and if law school students came up with this video... the socratic method didn't work quite as well.

[norriscj]

haha! I was just going to mention something about this. According to wikipedia (who couldn't possibly be wrong) Socrates died in 399BC and Aristotle was born in 384BC. That would mean Socrates was dead 15 years before Aristotle was born. Considering this, It's pretty amazing that Socrates was able to borrow aspects of his method from an unborn Aristotle.

[trisix99]

@raewyon lol, yeah this is a shame... way to mess up historical facts... ahaha

[BlakeVII]

Any student that falls for the Socratic method is a weak minded fool. Any student who becomes a contributing factor of the Socratic method -by laughing at other fellow students, enhancing the disgrace/embarrassement felt, is an even weaker minded, weasal of a fool.

[vktrsx]

What do you mean "falls for"? The point is to expose what you don't know; to resist that is to imply that you know everything.

[BlakeVII]

I should have explained myself fully. What I meant by 'falls for' is the negative effect of the socratic method. When you hear of students 'throwing up' and 'crying' after lectures, there has to be something wrong in that, surely. When other students join in the 'entertainment' its just plain pathetic. It slows the pace of the lecture. I'd much rather the lecturer tell the student the work should have been covered and to sitdown. I don't want the drama and the supposed 'humour' the goes with it.

[muckraker87]

No one at my law school would dare make fun of or laugh at someone's response during the socratic method (unless they said something they intended to be funny) because they know they'll be next!!

[MrFrankBullitt]

F That

[fatmorejellyroll]

hmm, I'm with you Ryanand. . . How could Socrates take "a mental rough-and-tumble dialectic technique" from Aristotle when Socrates died 15 years before Aristotle was born? On second thought, I don't want an answer, it would only lead to more questions.

[nukethewhales1986]

Lol, I don't understand why students are ashamed of not knowing the answers to some of these profs' questions. If the students know all the answers, who needs professors?

[scottishboomerang]

You would have to see how their twisted minds work. These are lawyers...

[nukethewhales1986]

who the profs or the students?

[scottishboomerang]

Law Professors. But I was never intimidated by them. Being smart and prepared helps. Actually, if you ARE a gunner, Profs are reluctant to call on you...which is something that wasn't covered in this delightful series.

[scottishboomerang]

Socrates was the teacher of Plato, and Plato was the teacher of Aristotle, who influenced the way university teaching was done for thousands of years. They are just mixing philosophers, which is a bit like mixing your drinks but more disastrous.

[joeocho88]

COME TO CLASS PREPARED!

I was called on a lot and I knew what I was about. I was challenged a lot and was always up on my studies. But I felt sorry for the people who weren't.

[BgDog18]

I love it......... I wish undergrad was as difficult then maybe I would have retained something. Off to the library to read.....

[joeocho88]

The HARVARD method of instruction....

BE READY FOR CLASS

STUDY,STUDY,STUDY,STUDY,STUDY,­STUDY

MEMORIZE THE MATERIAL....

INTELLECTUAL CHALLENGE!

[ryanand]

socrates couldn't have changed a method already in use by aristotle... aristotle was a student of plato's, long after socrates' death.

[eastontario]

Socratic method casualties or excell?

There should be no mediocre graduates.

Separate the cream from the rest, for later would cost them more.

"Maybe you shouldn't go to Law School."

[CHAS1422]

I am an engineer, so discount me for being a fool, but I always thought the Socratic method was the same as Socratic Irony, in that it was a pretense of ignorance, and of willingness to learn from an other assumed, in order to make the other's false conception conspicuous by adroit questioning. The way these people are describing it, the professor singles them out and beats them up. That sounds more like the "Singling Out" method.

[bojanglefunk]

What they are describing is actually the Socratic method, but with a lot of tongue in cheek humor.

[Ohfoshoh]

Dude... So-Crates.  (Soh Crayts)

[nw1982]

I never felt embarassed in front of the class, b/c they all had to do it too. Right or wrong, I never judged them, and no one ever judged me. It's just a silly mindgame they use. And if you're prepared, what do you have to fear?

[cosmicslop]

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[ranice]

I'm glad he died-- but not early enough.

[Lunchos]

Socrates only tried one case. And he lost. And they killed him afterwards. Why is it that we think the Socratic method is so great? haha.

[xLegacy74]

@Lunchos He didn't try to win, he simply lectured the courtmembers and made them even more angry than they were.

[a207a1]

@Lunchos You have asked the right question. Why? The answer might be the reason why the Socratic method is used by so many. My answer is that because it is a method that educates by asking questions. First, I know nothing, last I know more than I did.

[nugman84]

Why make life hard on yourself? The exam is all that matters to employers.

[nugman84]

I pass all the time, and I don't give a f#$k. they can't make you answer.

Also, there are a bunch of ways of turning these questions on them. If they say something broad, like what did you think about the court's use of some doctrine, then answer "you were cool with it." I did, and I got an A in that class.

Or, if you are really brave, you may realize that going to class is utterly worthless and just stop going. Can't get called on if you are not there.

[Orfling]

Pretty negative attitude. Realize grading is blind and is based only on the exam, and then just take the Socratic method as an exercise to (1) keep you paying attention in class; and (2) see how quick you are on your feet. If you struggle routinely, don't go into litigation. Cheers.

[sim007002]

I hate when the music drowns out the speakers' voices.

[Juror13]

My favorite response from a professor was, "Tell me why you're wrong."

[NearVSMello]

I found it interesting at the end how they said this method was already in use by Aristotle, when Aristotle and Socrates were practically two generations apart.

[zoycat]

"Socratic method" wasn't in use by Aristotle, Socrates based it off of his prior work. They say that here.

[NearVSMello]

Aristotle came about a generation after Socrates.

[nmeboy]

nothing is funnier than tara cooper trying to say "bullshit"

[gsotoaz]

i found it to be retarded

[evanniedojadlo]

this is a great DVD. It has taught me a great amount of information; i would highly advise buying it if you are intending on going to law school.