Before Sarajevo, before Banja Luka, before Mostar, there was Croatia. Its as simple as that. Bosnians are Muslim Croats and Serbs mixed with Turkish blood and are a byproduct of a 500 year war with Croatia. If your Croat or Serbian, your a real ethnic group. Bosnians are a deeply confused people that have taken propaganda and replaced it with history. Croatia and Serbia have been Christian since the dark ages
Is there really a reason to hate our SLAVIC brothers just because of the religion? NO!!!!!! We shared BOGUMILISM which simply means we were DEAR TO GOD, regardless of His/Her/Its name!!!
We used slavonic/cyrillic alphabet (Bosancica glagolitica) as well as the latin... When we were occupied by the Ottomans, we didn't just fight back, we tried to stuiy their culture and use even an arabic alphabet... We were Yugoslavia, but we are still YUGOSLAVI, which simply means SOUTH SLAVS? This means that we are all realtives, from Russi to Czech Republic to Macedonia!
Svaka čast!!!!! Super Video, Volim Majko Bosnu!!!!!! Imaš pravo: Bosna je multireligiozna ali nije multietnicka... SVI SMO SLAVENI!!!!!!
Bosnia is a Wonderful Land where different religions coexisted for centuries: muslims, catholics, orthodox, jews... and we even had our own Church, we were Bogumils!!!
All this greatest Anthropologist and other Experts Worldwide said that Bosniaks are a Illyrian Race and Nativ Balkanpeople: Angel, Bounak, Coon, Debetz, Ewing, Gherassimov, Hasluck, Morant, Levin, Oudaltsev, Poulianos, Tovarev, Koumaris, Wilkes, Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many many others and then we got the Genetic facts from Igenea, Genograpic, Familytreedna and all the other Genetic Results.
in 1991 john wilks (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna.
in 1991 John Wilkes (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna...
in 1991 John Wilkes (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna...
in 1991 john wilks (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna.
Ni sa kim istorija nije napravila takvu salu kao sa nama. Do juce smo bili ono sto danas hocemo da zaboravimo. ali nismo postali ni nesto drugo, stali smo na pola puta zabezeknuti. Ne mozemo vise nikud, otrgnuti smo a nismo prihvaceni.
Preziru nas i braca i dosljaci, a mi se branimo ponosom i mrznjom.Hteli smo da se sacuvamo, a tako smo se izgubili, da vise neznamo ni sta smo. Nesreca je sto smo zavoleli ovu nasu mrtvaju i necemo iz nje.
ja sam mislio da su bogumili iz Bugarske, sledbenici popa Bogomila... iz Srbije su se povukli u Bosnu za vreme Stefana Nemanje (1166.- 1196.). jos uvek se raspravlja u istoriji o karakteru njihove vere.
in 1991 john wilks (expert on illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend too. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna.
Professor John Wilkens from the Univerity of London has recently Established that
BOSNIANS ARE ILLYRIANS - an Ancient European People.
Wilkes has been proven CORRECT by science when the Human Genome Project's Y-chromosome study of European populations, confirmed that the vast majority of contemporary Albanians do not share an Illyrian or any Indo-European linneage - they are mostly a pre-IE Mediterranean population.
milane...Nije bosna samo muslimanska nego i pravoslavna i katolička, Bosna je multietnička i multireligijska....samo da znaš odnos musliman:pravoslavac:katolik 46:34:17 %
a ta ilirska krv moze se samo naci u livnu duvnu to su hercegovci tj. "hrvati" ako hoces da znas iliri su zivjeli na podruciju dalmacije to sa bosnom nema veze...
i jos nesto BOGUMILI ta vjera je tipicno SLAVENSKA nikla je u BOGARSKOJ (SLAVENSKA ZEMLJA) Iliru su imali sasvim drugu vjeru!!! Sto lazete na 5 strana ne ide to se podudara :((((
@Musliman20 Bosna je Hercegovina? Bosna ilirski znaci reka? Jezik starosedelaca nije ostao zapisan i samim tim je nestao sa onima koji su govorili tim jezikom.
Upoznat sam ja dobro sa imenom BiH, a i sa imenom Bosnjani, ime Bosnjaci se koristilo kada nije bilo Bosnjaka krscana niti Bosnjaka pravoslava, danas ima puno ljudi koji su BOSANCI sto znaci da su pravoslavci katolii ili muslimani...
Ti imas svoj nacin razmisljanja, a ja imam svoj nacin razmisljanja, ne treba dati da nas ovakve svade zavade jedini nacin da opstanemo kao nacija bez obzira kako se zvali jeste da ostanemo slozni...
@Frki2005 ja idem po Historiji i Historiski su Bosnjaci bili Bosnjani pa onda na Turski franzuski sta ja znam koji jezik zavli se Bosnjaci i ne Bosanci
Bosnjak samo mogu biti i nista drugo
Bosnjaci moremo samo biti i nista drugo
kad bi se uvijek zvali kako drugima odgovara nebi nas danaz ni bilio kosto je i plan nasih neprijatelja
Bosnjaci (Muslimani katolici i Pravoslavci)
samo sto su Muslimani prvi bili koji su sebi vratili ime Bosnjak neznaci da su samo Muslimani Bosnjaci
Ako se ne varam, a znam da je to tačno jer se poklapa sa godinama, Bogumili su u stvari bili prvo u Raškoj (Srbiji), pa ih je Stefan Nemanja proterivao jer su oni za Hrišćanstvo bili jeretnici, i to su se ozbiljno proterivali, pa ih je Tvrtko I primio u tadašnjoj Bosni !!! Znači začetak Bogumilstva je u stvari iz Srbije...
Ko ne veruje nek se malo više obrazuje iz istorije 12-13.veka
Mi smo bosanci! Većina bosanaca je muslimanske vjere a ima ih i pravoslavne i katoličke. Nema tu dileme. Ovi što postavljaju neke izvrnute historije koje ih je učio čika Radić mogu raditi samo to. Lagati druge kako je i njih lagao čika Radić. Ozbiljno treba ove Srbe i Hrvate pitati kad oni namjeravaju prestati sanjati mokre snove??? ODRASTITE VIŠE!!!! Te retorike laži i prevara moraju biti dio prošlosti. Ko ne zbog nas onda zbog vas.
@voanirges znasli ti kako su srbi dosli u bosnu? turci vas doveli... znasli zasto? bili ste sluga njihova... a znasli ti sta znaci ime srbi/serb ? Sluga/Rob... i sad tisina i pokri se jorganom
Stari moj prije dolaska Hrvata bila jest tu Bosna u sklopu Rimskog Ilirika!Nastanjivaše je npr. Ilirska plemena Delmati,koji su utrli put civilizacije u Bosni,npr. Duvno danas Tomislavgrad su nazvali Duvno Iliri,zatim Kelti na sjeveru današnje Bosne!Pa dolazak Hrvata u 7st. koji su vladali do 15st.kad ih nepokoriše Turci koji sa sobom dovedoše Pravoslavne Romane,Vlahe,Srbe koji se svi vremenom posrbiše zbog SPC!Eto ti jesi Bosanac ali imaš dobre temelje za zdrav odnos s Hr.!Zdrav bio!
Bosna je bila i ostaće država onih koji je vole i nežele je dijeliti.Ona nije bila hrvatska niti srpska.Safvet-beg Bašagić (2.VII. 1891.):Znas Bošnjače, nije davno bilo, / Sveg mi svjeta nema petnaest ljeta, / Kad u našoj Bosni ponositoj, / I junačkoj zemlji Hercegovoj, / Od Trebinja do Brodskijeh vrate, / Nije bilo Srba ni Hrvata. / A danas se kroz svoje hire, / Oba stranca ko u svome šire. [...] Oba su nas gosta saletila, Da nam otmu najsvetije blago, Naše ime ponosno i drago.
Vladala Hrvatska do 15. stoljeća? XD Sanjaj. Jedno vrijeme je bosanski kralj kad su se neki hrvati pobunili protiv ugara djelovao vojskom i zauzeo cijelu dalmaciju. Do kraja 15. stoljeća Bosna ne smo da niej bila ničija osim bosanska nego je i bila najjača sila na Balkanu i prav je uvela vatreno oružje od svih susjeda. Šteta što se hrvati i dalje ponašaju kao srbi. Samo izmišljaju da bi prisvojili neki dio koji sanjaju u svojim mokrim snovima.
ma meni je dosta raspravljati o ovim sranjim dojadilo vise ko je sta je nekaje znam ja sta sam i to je to ma zaboli me bio sma majmun prije eto ja mislim da je to realno ovako barem neko postuje kad kazes da si bio majmun a ako kazes da si ovo il ono odma ima neki odgovor negativan ovako naj bolje biti majmun
neki kazu da su bosnjaci srbi neki kazu da su bosnjaci hrvati a neki kazu da su samo bosnjaci muslimanski bosnjaci ma to za mene bezveze diskutirati.
svi smo mi odnekle, prije 1400 godina nije bilo hrvata, srba i bosanaca a sad nas ima, znaci imi smo odnekle onda, mozda talijanci, rumuni ili nesto slicno.
pusti kraju o sranjetu, hvala bogu da nas sviju ima i da zivimo u miru a sta smo bili prije miljon godina, nitkoga neboli briga.
LijepaNasaDomovina, prije milijon godina smo svi bili majmuni, onda postali ljudi, pa u 20 stoljecu opet majmuni, eto vidim da opet postajemo ljudi. Jebes ga, evolucija je cudna pojava.
Krajem 19. stolječa, Srbi i Hrvati nastoje dokazati pravoslavcima i katolicima u Bosni, da su oni ustvari Srbi i Hrvati (što nije tačno). (daju im hrvatska ili sprska državljansta i sl.). Tako su vam nastali tzv. "Bosanski Hrvati" i "Bosanski Srbi" koji uporno tvrde da su Srbi i Hrvati.
Večina onih koji se danas nazivaju "Bosanski Srbi" i "Bosanski Hrvati", su ustvari samo Bošnjački katolici i pravoslavci.
Kada je krščanstvo uništilo Bosansku Crkvu (bogumilstvo), svi su logično morali preći na krščanstvo (jer nije više bilo Bosanske Crkve). Tada je 99% Bošnjana bilo krščansko. Kada su Osmanlije došle, samo 40% stanovništva prelazi na Islam, jer ih je Islam podsječao na Bogumilstvo. Onih ostalih 60% ostali su krščani (pravoslavci i katolici).
dobar dan.vecina stanovnistva bosne i hercegovine su bili bogomili. bilo je i katolika i pravoslavaca. ali u manjini. bogomili su vladali tu drzavu. bogomili su kao jedna krstcanska sekta.moze se reci da su bosanci bili prvi evropski protestanti.
mnogo se govori da je vecina danasnje BiH bili katolici.ali je to bila politika da bih banovi BiH imali podrske vatikana.zato sto su bosanci uvijek imali frke s madjarima.
a bogomili nisu bili priznati ni u vatikanu niti u konstantinopelu.
neciju nacionalnost, seljacino jedna. Znaci li to da ste VI Srbi GRCI jer vam je iz Grcke pristiglo PRAVOSLAVLJE, il` su Hrvati ITALIJANI jer su pokrsteni iz Italije!? Kako si samo glup, SRBINE .... MI, BOSNJANI, smo preuzeli VJERU od Turaka, a tvoje su prabake dijelile krevete s Turcima preko 500 godina, pa mi onda pojasni kako to da smo MI poturceni a ti CISTOKRVNI Srbin :) Seljo moj mali, neskolovani, polupismeni :) Nauci se ISTINI, covjece! ISTINI ... ne srpskoj propagandi!
Ti si nenacitan, polupismen i glup. Do 19. stoljeca, svaki stanovnik Bosne je sebe smatrao Bosnjaninom [Bosnjakom], a to ce ti potvrditi i knjiga koju je napisao austrijski pisac, a koja se zove "Die Bosniaken kommen". U ovoj knjizi "Bosnjaci" su definisani kao narod koji zivi u Kraljevini Bosni, raznih religija. Jebali te Srbi vise. Glupane jedan, takvi kao TI su bazirali sopstvenu historiju na LAZI, kao naprimjer POBJEDA na KOSOVU i ovome slicne.
Konstantinos once mentions Bosnia as "Pagania". He also mentions that Slavs converted to Christianity, but Pagans living in a MOUNTAINOUS and REMOTE place resisted to it - Historians, who rely on the fact that the Pagani deals with the Dalmatian islands,unanimously think that they were the Slavic group, which is known as Neretljani, and which lived in Western Herzegovina. Western Herzegovina, where Neretvans used to live, is by no means mountainous.
South and east of Mostar is mountainous, but this cannot be Pagania, as it was called Hum. Pagans could not be in its south or in north of Mostar, because Terbouniotes and Kanalites used to live in the south, and the northern area was Croatian soil. Therefore, Pagania can only be in the interior regions, which are today's Northern Herzegovina and Central Bosnia. In succeeding years, in these regions Christianity was the weakest, and Bogomilism the most powerful.
The original serb/croats were not slavic. The serbs referred to their slavic subjects as 'servi' or servants while the croats called their slavic subjects 'hrvati' or servants. This is why serbia/raska/hum were referred to as Servia until the 19th century. The servi later changed their title to serb to hide their servant legacy much like the hrvati did and are now called croats. Thus, serb/croats actually celebrate the names of those who subdued their slavic ancestors and made them servants :)
Srbin sam. Vi pre turaka niste bili muslimani, dali neko zna sta se desilo. Niste bili katolici ili pravoslavci nego kakva je vasa bila vera pre muslimanske i sta se desilo sa njom. Dali neko zna?
From the VIII century till today, some 66 478 stone monoliths has survived, with largest number, over 80%, in the area of today recognized state of Bosnia-Herzegovina and 20%in Dalmatia - before Bosnia today Croatia.(Serbia= 0% monoliths).
While conquering the land populated by Bosnian Bogomil's (Bosniaks), both the catholic and orthodox churches have persecuted them as heretics, destroyed the remnants of their culture and used solid stone monoliths as a building material for new churches. During the 15thcentury mostly heretic Bosnian Bogumils (Bosniaks) converted to Islam. During the 19th century the Bosnians( Bosniaks) of Catholic and Orthodox faiths came to be known as Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs
Unlike Serbian sources, Bosnian & Croatian interpretations of history highly contradict neutral sources. The Bosniaks generally try to play down the existence of Christianity through Bogomilism (wtf) & the Bosnian church (minimal) but it's quite ridiculous. Especially when you consider that Orthody & Catholisism was already existent when Islam arrived. Bosnians are undoubtedly in the majority pressured Muslim converts of mostly Serbs & to a lesser extent Croatians. Face reality.
For more than a thousand years before the arrival of the Slavs in six century AD,the lands between the Adriatic and the Danube were the home of peoples known to the ancient world as Illyrians (John J.Wilkes "The Illyrians")
Bosniaks (also spelled: Bosniacs; sometimes incorrectly refered to as Bosnian Muslims) are autochtone people of Bosnia. Up until the mid 19th century, the term Bosniak was used for all inhabitants of Bosnia regardles of faith
In medieval Bosnia, Bosniaks were largely members of an indigenous Bosnian Church and were considered heretics by both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches.
As a result, some Bosniaks were forced to convert to Caholicism and Eastern Orthodox religions. During the Ottoman period (15th-19th century) mostly heretic Bosniaks in large numbers converted to Islam
During the 19th century (Austro-Hungarian period), the Bosniaks of Catholic and Eastern Orthodox faiths acquired Croatian and Serbian national identites and came to be known as Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs.
Even though today's Bosniaks are overhelmingly Sunni Muslims, they are one of the most secular peoples in the Balkans and Europe. Their mother tongue is bosnian, one of three official languages of Bosnia-Herzegovina. Bosniaks are proud of their unique history, tradition, and European roots.
This is the biggest joke of all. So they were forced to convert to Christianity from paganism. Yeah right. But there was a significant left over amount of heretics? Yeah right. It's infinitely more plausible & provable that they were forced to convert to Islam.
The bosnian heretics already had an alliance with the turks long b4 the kingdom fell (ie)the turks & Hrvoje Vukcic enthroned Tvrtko II in 1404 as the new bosnian king (ie)The Turks and Bogomil Bosnians, inflicted a heavy defeat on Hungary at the battle of Usora, a few miles from Doboj (1415). It was battles such as this that the two became united as one, similar to how the jews and Americans are today.
The turkish delights already had the most superior army and did not need to force anyone to convert as it was more useful for them to have tax paying christians.
Of course in this case, the bosnian heretics already had an alliance b4 the kingdom fell. In fact there is evidence that in the foca region people had already converted 5 years b4the invasion. Interestingly, the area's where bosnian bogomilism was the most powerful, later became the area's where Islam was the most powerful :)
While we're on the topic of conversion, the serb/croat puppet kings who would actively convert between catholocism & orthodoxy (ie)king kresimir and the majority croat monks converted from orthodoxy to catholocism in order to expand croatia which consisted of zagreb and a few remote villages. As for the serbs, much of the population including the most powerful dynasty the nemanja's were catholic until converting to orthodoxy was required to expand their borders.
In bosnia this was not the case, 100 crusades were luanched by Rome to convert the bosnian heretics only to be defied every time and down to the last man! Contrary to our serb/croat friends as per my statements below :)
Yes, there were Illyrians. And some other existing groups. The slavs (Serbs & Croatians) would have absorbed the small amount of these groups. If they were of significant number Bosnians would be more like Albanians in appearance & culture but they are obviously not. Feel free to go back to your Albanian Illyrian roots.
The illyrian ancestry is nothing unique or specific to bosnians. In fact, more than 60% of modern day croats descend from illryians while the other 40% descend from the settlers from the last ice age. Even their 19th century nationalist ideology was called 'illyrian movement' and not croat movement. Even illyrian romance language was dominant in dubrovnik/dalmacija until the 19th century language reforms. For the serbs, the concentration of illyrian and vlah herdsman is even higher!
Serbs & Croatians were the smallest tribes as well as the last to arrive. Both settled in the balkans under DIRECT authority to byznatium - they did not conquer these regions. As early as 822 the croats were changing masters from byzantium to the franks - this is why croat prince ljudevit was expelled from croatia and later executed by bosnian nobility. As for the serbs, they quickly changed from slaves of byznatium to the bulgars :) Bosnia remained a sklavinia until the 10th century
I think we must also consider how small the proto-serb/croats really were. The croats were lead by 4 brothers who were about 5'7 tall and 2 fat sisters. As for the serbs, they were lead by the "Unknown Archont", someone so unimportant that his name was not even preserved.
In comparison, the avars brought with them the slavic masses and formed an avar state. So numerous were the slavs that the avars recruited 10,000 bulgar/turk called Kutrigurs and appointed them as bans and zupans
At its height, Sarajevo was the biggest and most important Ottoman city in the Balkans after Istanbul itself. By 1660, the population of Sarajevo was estimated to be over 80,000. Comparatively, Belgrade in 1838 had a mere 12,963 inhabitants, and Zagreb as late as 1851 had a lowly 14,000 people. If Sarajevo's fortune would have prevailed until 1700, it would have been the 10th biggest city in Europe.
История Славян - History of Slavs (sub) evo supci pogledajte malo ko su Slaveni pa onda serite da nismo isti narodi.Bosna u srcu Srbija majka!
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Evo gledam malo videje i citam o povijesti Bosne i sada jedno pitanje? O cemu se vi toliko ponosite?
SuperStrelko 3 months ago
@SuperStrelko
ponosimo se na ono sto smo se s'tapovima branili protiv hrvate i srbe haha picke jedne
fmjamsaraj 2 months ago
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Before Sarajevo, before Banja Luka, before Mostar, there was Croatia. Its as simple as that. Bosnians are Muslim Croats and Serbs mixed with Turkish blood and are a byproduct of a 500 year war with Croatia. If your Croat or Serbian, your a real ethnic group. Bosnians are a deeply confused people that have taken propaganda and replaced it with history. Croatia and Serbia have been Christian since the dark ages
jebac227 4 months ago
Is there really a reason to hate our SLAVIC brothers just because of the religion? NO!!!!!! We shared BOGUMILISM which simply means we were DEAR TO GOD, regardless of His/Her/Its name!!!
BosnaPerunSvarog 11 months ago
We used slavonic/cyrillic alphabet (Bosancica glagolitica) as well as the latin... When we were occupied by the Ottomans, we didn't just fight back, we tried to stuiy their culture and use even an arabic alphabet... We were Yugoslavia, but we are still YUGOSLAVI, which simply means SOUTH SLAVS? This means that we are all realtives, from Russi to Czech Republic to Macedonia!
BosnaPerunSvarog 11 months ago
Svaka čast!!!!! Super Video, Volim Majko Bosnu!!!!!! Imaš pravo: Bosna je multireligiozna ali nije multietnicka... SVI SMO SLAVENI!!!!!!
Bosnia is a Wonderful Land where different religions coexisted for centuries: muslims, catholics, orthodox, jews... and we even had our own Church, we were Bogumils!!!
BosnaPerunSvarog 11 months ago
ak je bosanac nacija onda je nacija i međimurac,prigorac ili slavonac...!!
glupost...
raspadi 1 year ago
@raspadi
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sabih2222 1 year ago
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All this greatest Anthropologist and other Experts Worldwide said that Bosniaks are a Illyrian Race and Nativ Balkanpeople: Angel, Bounak, Coon, Debetz, Ewing, Gherassimov, Hasluck, Morant, Levin, Oudaltsev, Poulianos, Tovarev, Koumaris, Wilkes, Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many many others and then we got the Genetic facts from Igenea, Genograpic, Familytreedna and all the other Genetic Results.
bosna501 1 year ago
Komplimenti za klip,a narocito za izbor pjesme...
hercigovac 1 year ago
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in 1991 john wilks (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna.
bosna501 1 year ago
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in 1991 John Wilkes (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna...
bosna501 1 year ago
@bosna501 stupid mule
are you still dreaming about Illyrians ??
hhahahaahhahaha
SUBHUMAN !!
IllyriPower 7 months ago
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they should NEVER convert to islam it is all the fault of the mongol turks they are the cause of all the trouble in the balkans.
turks are satanic people send by the devil every european must know that
Vasili1 1 year ago
@Vasili1 Dude thats soooooo true it isn't even funny!
ThatBosnianGuy 1 year ago
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in 1991 John Wilkes (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna...
bosna501 1 year ago
Bosniaks are the Nativ Balkanpeople
and its generally known that Balkanpeople
is the oldest of Europe.
bosna501 1 year ago 2
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in 1991 john wilks (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna.
bosna501 1 year ago
to which haplotype are they related to
kutlijer 1 year ago
Ni sa kim istorija nije napravila takvu salu kao sa nama. Do juce smo bili ono sto danas hocemo da zaboravimo. ali nismo postali ni nesto drugo, stali smo na pola puta zabezeknuti. Ne mozemo vise nikud, otrgnuti smo a nismo prihvaceni.
Preziru nas i braca i dosljaci, a mi se branimo ponosom i mrznjom.Hteli smo da se sacuvamo, a tako smo se izgubili, da vise neznamo ni sta smo. Nesreca je sto smo zavoleli ovu nasu mrtvaju i necemo iz nje.
Meša Selimović- musliman Derviš i smrt
jsckillab4lkilla 2 years ago
ja sam mislio da su bogumili iz Bugarske, sledbenici popa Bogomila... iz Srbije su se povukli u Bosnu za vreme Stefana Nemanje (1166.- 1196.). jos uvek se raspravlja u istoriji o karakteru njihove vere.
hamilkarpfc 2 years ago
@hamilkarpfc Upravo tako!
timotimekvej 1 year ago
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in 1991 john wilks (expert on illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend too. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna.
bosna501 2 years ago 3
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Professor John Wilkens from the Univerity of London has recently Established that
BOSNIANS ARE ILLYRIANS - an Ancient European People.
Wilkes has been proven CORRECT by science when the Human Genome Project's Y-chromosome study of European populations, confirmed that the vast majority of contemporary Albanians do not share an Illyrian or any Indo-European linneage - they are mostly a pre-IE Mediterranean population.
bosna501 2 years ago 3
milane...Nije bosna samo muslimanska nego i pravoslavna i katolička, Bosna je multietnička i multireligijska....samo da znaš odnos musliman:pravoslavac:katolik 46:34:17 %
mujosmc 2 years ago 2
BOSNIANS=ILLYRIANS
Bosanci=Iliri
Bosanci starosjedioci
Bosna (Bosona) najstarija i ilirska zamlja na Balkanu dokazano na svak moguci nacin.
Look Video: DNA of the Balkans
bosna501 2 years ago 5
to meze bit zato imate slavenski jezi sto ste iliri xD
knezevic31 2 years ago
sta ima jezik stime sto imas u krvi? illyrksi narod je Slavesiran! to je to
Musliman20 2 years ago
a imena i prezimena slavenska?
a ta ilirska krv moze se samo naci u livnu duvnu to su hercegovci tj. "hrvati" ako hoces da znas iliri su zivjeli na podruciju dalmacije to sa bosnom nema veze...
knezevic31 2 years ago
sta ti pricas? pa sta je Herzegovina budalo??
Herzegovina je Bosna a Bosna je Herzegovina! Illyri su iz Bosne! Bosna je Illyrski i znaci rijeka!
Musliman20 2 years ago 2
Bosna nije Hercegovina to zapamti!
si ti mislio da je prije Cehoslovacka bila Ceska ne Ceh je Ceh a Slovk je Slovak!!!! Cehi su vecinom germani a Slovaci slaveni
uzdravlje!
knezevic31 2 years ago
i jos nesto BOGUMILI ta vjera je tipicno SLAVENSKA nikla je u BOGARSKOJ (SLAVENSKA ZEMLJA) Iliru su imali sasvim drugu vjeru!!! Sto lazete na 5 strana ne ide to se podudara :((((
knezevic31 2 years ago
@knezevic31 nego sta je Herzegovina ???
ako nije Bosna ???
ako Herzegovina nije Bosna onda nije vise od Pola Hrvatske nije Hrvatska
DoTaClanRTK 2 years ago
u Hrvatskoj zive hrvati
a u Bosni??? pitaj malo po toj Bosni narod sta su pa ces cuti... ;)
vi muslimani trazite spas u fantaziji
da vas Aladin i carobna lampa nisu stvorili a?
knezevic31 2 years ago
@knezevic31 Bosnjani
od glave do pete
od une do driine
sve do Bosanske krajine
eto ko zivi u Bosni
DoTaClanRTK 2 years ago
@DoTaClanRTK Bosna je Hercegovina,
Ceska je Slovacka,
timotimekvej 1 year ago
@Musliman20 Bosna je Hercegovina? Bosna ilirski znaci reka? Jezik starosedelaca nije ostao zapisan i samim tim je nestao sa onima koji su govorili tim jezikom.
timotimekvej 1 year ago
@mujosmc
Ja koji si ti coban pa gdje sam sta rekao za muslimane ili vjeru?
Bosna je multireligiozna ali nije multietnicka to su pravoslavi i katolici samo izgubljeni nista vise oni su bosanci.
bosna501 2 years ago 7
@bosna501 Bosnjaci!! oni su svi Bosnjaci !!!!
DoTaClanRTK 2 years ago
Ne postoji nacija "Bosnjaci" postoje samo Bosanci...
Frki2005 2 years ago
@Frki2005 haha :D
Bosanac to su sebi autrougari izmislili za Narod BiH isto kosto su uveli ime za Drzavu Bosnu (Bosna i Herzegovina) tako su iveli i ime Bosanac
prije su svi bili Bosnjaci i prije nego stu su se zvali Bosnjaci zvali su se Bosnjani
Bosnjak je samo Turska rijec za Bosnjan ;D ako nisi znao sad znas
DoTaClanRTK 2 years ago
Upoznat sam ja dobro sa imenom BiH, a i sa imenom Bosnjani, ime Bosnjaci se koristilo kada nije bilo Bosnjaka krscana niti Bosnjaka pravoslava, danas ima puno ljudi koji su BOSANCI sto znaci da su pravoslavci katolii ili muslimani...
Frki2005 2 years ago
@Frki2005 danaz treba da se vrati ime Bosnjak za Muslime Katolike i pravoslavce
prije smo se zvali Bosnjaci i treba i danaz
DoTaClanRTK 2 years ago
Ti imas svoj nacin razmisljanja, a ja imam svoj nacin razmisljanja, ne treba dati da nas ovakve svade zavade jedini nacin da opstanemo kao nacija bez obzira kako se zvali jeste da ostanemo slozni...
Frki2005 2 years ago
@Frki2005 ja idem po Historiji i Historiski su Bosnjaci bili Bosnjani pa onda na Turski franzuski sta ja znam koji jezik zavli se Bosnjaci i ne Bosanci
Bosnjak samo mogu biti i nista drugo
Bosnjaci moremo samo biti i nista drugo
kad bi se uvijek zvali kako drugima odgovara nebi nas danaz ni bilio kosto je i plan nasih neprijatelja
Bosnjaci (Muslimani katolici i Pravoslavci)
samo sto su Muslimani prvi bili koji su sebi vratili ime Bosnjak neznaci da su samo Muslimani Bosnjaci
pozz
DoTaClanRTK 2 years ago
Nemam ja vremena za ovakve slucajeve...
Frki2005 2 years ago
@DoTaClanRTK Bosnjaci muslimani su islamizirani Srbi.
timotimekvej 1 year ago
Ma sta ti,Frki,se ovdje pravis pametan.
Stecaka koliko hoces o historiji naroda,a ti ovdje tvrdis da si jedini pametan.
Mani se coravog posla ovdje i prestani nam vise pametovati,matere ti.
lanamirja 2 years ago
Realno, Bosna bi mnogo bolje prolazila da nije muslimanska zemlja. Ne pišem ovo kao vid mržnje, već kao činjenicu.
milanchebaja 2 years ago
Ako se ne varam, a znam da je to tačno jer se poklapa sa godinama, Bogumili su u stvari bili prvo u Raškoj (Srbiji), pa ih je Stefan Nemanja proterivao jer su oni za Hrišćanstvo bili jeretnici, i to su se ozbiljno proterivali, pa ih je Tvrtko I primio u tadašnjoj Bosni !!! Znači začetak Bogumilstva je u stvari iz Srbije...
Ko ne veruje nek se malo više obrazuje iz istorije 12-13.veka
Vasilji86 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ZACETAK BOGUMILSTVA U SRBIJI
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH
GLUPI SRBI
jebote, znao sam da ste glupi, ali da ste tako glupi... nemogu da vjerujem.
nek vam je bog na pomoci
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
snpgtsfckd 2 years ago 2
bosnia is a muslim state
bosniakhistory 2 years ago
no non o that Turk shaitan dogs make you muslim and raped your childrens and womens
kutkinderen 2 years ago
Mi smo bosanci! Većina bosanaca je muslimanske vjere a ima ih i pravoslavne i katoličke. Nema tu dileme. Ovi što postavljaju neke izvrnute historije koje ih je učio čika Radić mogu raditi samo to. Lagati druge kako je i njih lagao čika Radić. Ozbiljno treba ove Srbe i Hrvate pitati kad oni namjeravaju prestati sanjati mokre snove??? ODRASTITE VIŠE!!!! Te retorike laži i prevara moraju biti dio prošlosti. Ko ne zbog nas onda zbog vas.
shadowC10ne 2 years ago 20
@shadowC10ne Pa, onda odrasti vise!
timotimekvej 1 year ago
@shadowC10ne bosanci su Srbi koji zive u Bosni, aj ne seri molim te
voanirges 8 months ago
@voanirges Haj ubij se glupa slugo.
shadowC10ne 8 months ago
@voanirges znasli ti kako su srbi dosli u bosnu? turci vas doveli... znasli zasto? bili ste sluga njihova... a znasli ti sta znaci ime srbi/serb ? Sluga/Rob... i sad tisina i pokri se jorganom
BosnaKing2 6 months ago
I'll see to the historical facts for sure but God your country is damn beautiful man!
It's soooooooooooo fantastic. May peace prevail in this happy happy dell.
peaceharbinger 2 years ago 4
pogledajte moj klip o historiji
FocaGorazdeLjiljan 2 years ago
Izvini, al mislim da ti nisi apsolutno u pravu...
Kako mislis da povijesne cinjenice dokazuju to da je Bosna bila Hrvatska prije Turaka?
Cak je i dokazano da je Bosna najstarija juznoslavenska drzava... (i to od strane hrvatskog historicara..)
nekocekoBiH 3 years ago
Stari moj prije dolaska Hrvata bila jest tu Bosna u sklopu Rimskog Ilirika!Nastanjivaše je npr. Ilirska plemena Delmati,koji su utrli put civilizacije u Bosni,npr. Duvno danas Tomislavgrad su nazvali Duvno Iliri,zatim Kelti na sjeveru današnje Bosne!Pa dolazak Hrvata u 7st. koji su vladali do 15st.kad ih nepokoriše Turci koji sa sobom dovedoše Pravoslavne Romane,Vlahe,Srbe koji se svi vremenom posrbiše zbog SPC!Eto ti jesi Bosanac ali imaš dobre temelje za zdrav odnos s Hr.!Zdrav bio!
ziviogaannj 3 years ago
Bosna je bila i ostaće država onih koji je vole i nežele je dijeliti.Ona nije bila hrvatska niti srpska.Safvet-beg Bašagić (2.VII. 1891.):Znas Bošnjače, nije davno bilo, / Sveg mi svjeta nema petnaest ljeta, / Kad u našoj Bosni ponositoj, / I junačkoj zemlji Hercegovoj, / Od Trebinja do Brodskijeh vrate, / Nije bilo Srba ni Hrvata. / A danas se kroz svoje hire, / Oba stranca ko u svome šire. [...] Oba su nas gosta saletila, Da nam otmu najsvetije blago, Naše ime ponosno i drago.
shadowC10ne 2 years ago 2
Vladala Hrvatska do 15. stoljeća? XD Sanjaj. Jedno vrijeme je bosanski kralj kad su se neki hrvati pobunili protiv ugara djelovao vojskom i zauzeo cijelu dalmaciju. Do kraja 15. stoljeća Bosna ne smo da niej bila ničija osim bosanska nego je i bila najjača sila na Balkanu i prav je uvela vatreno oružje od svih susjeda. Šteta što se hrvati i dalje ponašaju kao srbi. Samo izmišljaju da bi prisvojili neki dio koji sanjaju u svojim mokrim snovima.
shadowC10ne 2 years ago 3
ma meni je dosta raspravljati o ovim sranjim dojadilo vise ko je sta je nekaje znam ja sta sam i to je to ma zaboli me bio sma majmun prije eto ja mislim da je to realno ovako barem neko postuje kad kazes da si bio majmun a ako kazes da si ovo il ono odma ima neki odgovor negativan ovako naj bolje biti majmun
zeraaaa23 3 years ago
dobro ti kazes najbolje biti majmun, niko te nece dirati ili ti sto psovati.
atheist2411 2 years ago
svi smo mi jedan narod, sa tri religije.
atheist2411 3 years ago
haha ma jebes ovo sranje.
neki kazu da su bosnjaci srbi neki kazu da su bosnjaci hrvati a neki kazu da su samo bosnjaci muslimanski bosnjaci ma to za mene bezveze diskutirati.
svi smo mi odnekle, prije 1400 godina nije bilo hrvata, srba i bosanaca a sad nas ima, znaci imi smo odnekle onda, mozda talijanci, rumuni ili nesto slicno.
pusti kraju o sranjetu, hvala bogu da nas sviju ima i da zivimo u miru a sta smo bili prije miljon godina, nitkoga neboli briga.
ZIVJELI U MIRU
LijepaNasaDomovina 3 years ago 4
pa svi smo mi slaveni :P
I to juzni.
nekocekoBiH 3 years ago
tako je.
LijepaNasaDomovina 3 years ago
LijepaNasaDomovina, prije milijon godina smo svi bili majmuni, onda postali ljudi, pa u 20 stoljecu opet majmuni, eto vidim da opet postajemo ljudi. Jebes ga, evolucija je cudna pojava.
SmartPorcupine 2 years ago 4
smartporcupine care ti si najbolje stvarno mnogi trebaju da su ugledaju, vozdrav peace
ferropan 2 years ago
Krajem 19. stolječa, Srbi i Hrvati nastoje dokazati pravoslavcima i katolicima u Bosni, da su oni ustvari Srbi i Hrvati (što nije tačno). (daju im hrvatska ili sprska državljansta i sl.). Tako su vam nastali tzv. "Bosanski Hrvati" i "Bosanski Srbi" koji uporno tvrde da su Srbi i Hrvati.
nekocekoBiH 3 years ago
@nekocekoBiH Znaci, bosancima su susedne drzave dale drzavljanstvo i oni su od tada postali Hrvati itd.
timotimekvej 1 year ago
Večina onih koji se danas nazivaju "Bosanski Srbi" i "Bosanski Hrvati", su ustvari samo Bošnjački katolici i pravoslavci.
Kada je krščanstvo uništilo Bosansku Crkvu (bogumilstvo), svi su logično morali preći na krščanstvo (jer nije više bilo Bosanske Crkve). Tada je 99% Bošnjana bilo krščansko. Kada su Osmanlije došle, samo 40% stanovništva prelazi na Islam, jer ih je Islam podsječao na Bogumilstvo. Onih ostalih 60% ostali su krščani (pravoslavci i katolici).
nekocekoBiH 3 years ago
dobar dan.vecina stanovnistva bosne i hercegovine su bili bogomili. bilo je i katolika i pravoslavaca. ali u manjini. bogomili su vladali tu drzavu. bogomili su kao jedna krstcanska sekta.moze se reci da su bosanci bili prvi evropski protestanti.
mnogo se govori da je vecina danasnje BiH bili katolici.ali je to bila politika da bih banovi BiH imali podrske vatikana.zato sto su bosanci uvijek imali frke s madjarima.
a bogomili nisu bili priznati ni u vatikanu niti u konstantinopelu.
pozdrav
salahadin83 3 years ago 2
bosnian are bosnians yeah we maybe was christan but does that make us not to be bosnian:S please it doesnt mather
dinobhf 3 years ago 2
neciju nacionalnost, seljacino jedna. Znaci li to da ste VI Srbi GRCI jer vam je iz Grcke pristiglo PRAVOSLAVLJE, il` su Hrvati ITALIJANI jer su pokrsteni iz Italije!? Kako si samo glup, SRBINE .... MI, BOSNJANI, smo preuzeli VJERU od Turaka, a tvoje su prabake dijelile krevete s Turcima preko 500 godina, pa mi onda pojasni kako to da smo MI poturceni a ti CISTOKRVNI Srbin :) Seljo moj mali, neskolovani, polupismeni :) Nauci se ISTINI, covjece! ISTINI ... ne srpskoj propagandi!
ArmijaBiH1992 3 years ago 4
dzabe ti to vlasima objasnjavas oni su bre nebeski narod sto se patis, pusti cigane znaju to oni bolje od tebe da su poturceni
BATTAL77GAZI 3 years ago
Ti si nenacitan, polupismen i glup. Do 19. stoljeca, svaki stanovnik Bosne je sebe smatrao Bosnjaninom [Bosnjakom], a to ce ti potvrditi i knjiga koju je napisao austrijski pisac, a koja se zove "Die Bosniaken kommen". U ovoj knjizi "Bosnjaci" su definisani kao narod koji zivi u Kraljevini Bosni, raznih religija. Jebali te Srbi vise. Glupane jedan, takvi kao TI su bazirali sopstvenu historiju na LAZI, kao naprimjer POBJEDA na KOSOVU i ovome slicne.
Poprimiti NECIJU religiju ne znaci PREUZETI
ArmijaBiH1992 3 years ago 3
@ArmijaBiH1992 Zaboravio si na Hercegovce, oni su do 19 veka se zvali svi hercegovcima.
timotimekvej 1 year ago
somewhen bosnia was christian..
mihanich 3 years ago 2
somewhen nobody has a religion. .
bournehan 3 years ago
Pozdrav svima iz Sanskog Mosta
AdnanBasic 3 years ago
Let's not let facts get in the way of a good story.
I'm Bosinain, but this is clutching at straws.
curlz657 3 years ago 2
Konstantinos once mentions Bosnia as "Pagania". He also mentions that Slavs converted to Christianity, but Pagans living in a MOUNTAINOUS and REMOTE place resisted to it - Historians, who rely on the fact that the Pagani deals with the Dalmatian islands,unanimously think that they were the Slavic group, which is known as Neretljani, and which lived in Western Herzegovina. Western Herzegovina, where Neretvans used to live, is by no means mountainous.
mladibosnjaci 3 years ago
South and east of Mostar is mountainous, but this cannot be Pagania, as it was called Hum. Pagans could not be in its south or in north of Mostar, because Terbouniotes and Kanalites used to live in the south, and the northern area was Croatian soil. Therefore, Pagania can only be in the interior regions, which are today's Northern Herzegovina and Central Bosnia. In succeeding years, in these regions Christianity was the weakest, and Bogomilism the most powerful.
mladibosnjaci 3 years ago
The original serb/croats were not slavic. The serbs referred to their slavic subjects as 'servi' or servants while the croats called their slavic subjects 'hrvati' or servants. This is why serbia/raska/hum were referred to as Servia until the 19th century. The servi later changed their title to serb to hide their servant legacy much like the hrvati did and are now called croats. Thus, serb/croats actually celebrate the names of those who subdued their slavic ancestors and made them servants :)
mladibosnjaci 3 years ago
And who were they servants to?
SmilingBread 3 years ago
I mean the Hrvati still call me self Hrvati...Croats is the internatinal word for Hrvati...
Semir313 3 years ago
@mladibosnjaci Nazi propaganda maschine still works.
timotimekvej 1 year ago
Srbin sam. Vi pre turaka niste bili muslimani, dali neko zna sta se desilo. Niste bili katolici ili pravoslavci nego kakva je vasa bila vera pre muslimanske i sta se desilo sa njom. Dali neko zna?
Panicchhh 3 years ago
From the VIII century till today, some 66 478 stone monoliths has survived, with largest number, over 80%, in the area of today recognized state of Bosnia-Herzegovina and 20%in Dalmatia - before Bosnia today Croatia.(Serbia= 0% monoliths).
engine4600 4 years ago
While conquering the land populated by Bosnian Bogomil's (Bosniaks), both the catholic and orthodox churches have persecuted them as heretics, destroyed the remnants of their culture and used solid stone monoliths as a building material for new churches. During the 15thcentury mostly heretic Bosnian Bogumils (Bosniaks) converted to Islam. During the 19th century the Bosnians( Bosniaks) of Catholic and Orthodox faiths came to be known as Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs
engine4600 4 years ago
Church of Bosnia -> "First European protestants" ??
engine4600 4 years ago
@engine4600 How is it "Turks" converted some Bosnians to Islam, some Catholicism and some Orthodoxy?
engine you are amazing! Lol
AnaMurida 1 year ago
Nobody says they didn't exsist, but the PEOPLE that live there are Serbs.
miavaso 4 years ago
Unlike Serbian sources, Bosnian & Croatian interpretations of history highly contradict neutral sources. The Bosniaks generally try to play down the existence of Christianity through Bogomilism (wtf) & the Bosnian church (minimal) but it's quite ridiculous. Especially when you consider that Orthody & Catholisism was already existent when Islam arrived. Bosnians are undoubtedly in the majority pressured Muslim converts of mostly Serbs & to a lesser extent Croatians. Face reality.
TominaJD 4 years ago
For more than a thousand years before the arrival of the Slavs in six century AD,the lands between the Adriatic and the Danube were the home of peoples known to the ancient world as Illyrians (John J.Wilkes "The Illyrians")
engine4600 4 years ago
Bosniaks (also spelled: Bosniacs; sometimes incorrectly refered to as Bosnian Muslims) are autochtone people of Bosnia. Up until the mid 19th century, the term Bosniak was used for all inhabitants of Bosnia regardles of faith
engine4600 4 years ago
In medieval Bosnia, Bosniaks were largely members of an indigenous Bosnian Church and were considered heretics by both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches.
engine4600 4 years ago
As a result, some Bosniaks were forced to convert to Caholicism and Eastern Orthodox religions. During the Ottoman period (15th-19th century) mostly heretic Bosniaks in large numbers converted to Islam
engine4600 4 years ago
During the 19th century (Austro-Hungarian period), the Bosniaks of Catholic and Eastern Orthodox faiths acquired Croatian and Serbian national identites and came to be known as Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs.
engine4600 4 years ago
Even though today's Bosniaks are overhelmingly Sunni Muslims, they are one of the most secular peoples in the Balkans and Europe. Their mother tongue is bosnian, one of three official languages of Bosnia-Herzegovina. Bosniaks are proud of their unique history, tradition, and European roots.
engine4600 4 years ago
When you have no history, any story is better then nothing. That's why they think they own Bosnia lol!
repicmilan 3 years ago
@engine4600 How that happened?
timotimekvej 1 year ago
This is the biggest joke of all. So they were forced to convert to Christianity from paganism. Yeah right. But there was a significant left over amount of heretics? Yeah right. It's infinitely more plausible & provable that they were forced to convert to Islam.
TominaJD 4 years ago
The bosnian heretics already had an alliance with the turks long b4 the kingdom fell (ie)the turks & Hrvoje Vukcic enthroned Tvrtko II in 1404 as the new bosnian king (ie)The Turks and Bogomil Bosnians, inflicted a heavy defeat on Hungary at the battle of Usora, a few miles from Doboj (1415). It was battles such as this that the two became united as one, similar to how the jews and Americans are today.
mladibosnjaci 3 years ago
The turkish delights already had the most superior army and did not need to force anyone to convert as it was more useful for them to have tax paying christians.
Of course in this case, the bosnian heretics already had an alliance b4 the kingdom fell. In fact there is evidence that in the foca region people had already converted 5 years b4the invasion. Interestingly, the area's where bosnian bogomilism was the most powerful, later became the area's where Islam was the most powerful :)
mladibosnjaci 3 years ago
While we're on the topic of conversion, the serb/croat puppet kings who would actively convert between catholocism & orthodoxy (ie)king kresimir and the majority croat monks converted from orthodoxy to catholocism in order to expand croatia which consisted of zagreb and a few remote villages. As for the serbs, much of the population including the most powerful dynasty the nemanja's were catholic until converting to orthodoxy was required to expand their borders.
mladibosnjaci 3 years ago
In bosnia this was not the case, 100 crusades were luanched by Rome to convert the bosnian heretics only to be defied every time and down to the last man! Contrary to our serb/croat friends as per my statements below :)
mladibosnjaci 3 years ago
@engine4600 Forced to convert to christian religions during Ottoman empire by who? Turks? R U that stupid?
timotimekvej 1 year ago
Yes, there were Illyrians. And some other existing groups. The slavs (Serbs & Croatians) would have absorbed the small amount of these groups. If they were of significant number Bosnians would be more like Albanians in appearance & culture but they are obviously not. Feel free to go back to your Albanian Illyrian roots.
TominaJD 4 years ago
The illyrian ancestry is nothing unique or specific to bosnians. In fact, more than 60% of modern day croats descend from illryians while the other 40% descend from the settlers from the last ice age. Even their 19th century nationalist ideology was called 'illyrian movement' and not croat movement. Even illyrian romance language was dominant in dubrovnik/dalmacija until the 19th century language reforms. For the serbs, the concentration of illyrian and vlah herdsman is even higher!
mladibosnjaci 3 years ago
Serbs & Croatians were the smallest tribes as well as the last to arrive. Both settled in the balkans under DIRECT authority to byznatium - they did not conquer these regions. As early as 822 the croats were changing masters from byzantium to the franks - this is why croat prince ljudevit was expelled from croatia and later executed by bosnian nobility. As for the serbs, they quickly changed from slaves of byznatium to the bulgars :) Bosnia remained a sklavinia until the 10th century
mladibosnjaci 3 years ago
@mladibosnjaci u forgot to take your medicine.
timotimekvej 1 year ago
I think we must also consider how small the proto-serb/croats really were. The croats were lead by 4 brothers who were about 5'7 tall and 2 fat sisters. As for the serbs, they were lead by the "Unknown Archont", someone so unimportant that his name was not even preserved.
In comparison, the avars brought with them the slavic masses and formed an avar state. So numerous were the slavs that the avars recruited 10,000 bulgar/turk called Kutrigurs and appointed them as bans and zupans
mladibosnjaci 3 years ago
odlican video
atila1122 4 years ago
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At its height, Sarajevo was the biggest and most important Ottoman city in the Balkans after Istanbul itself. By 1660, the population of Sarajevo was estimated to be over 80,000. Comparatively, Belgrade in 1838 had a mere 12,963 inhabitants, and Zagreb as late as 1851 had a lowly 14,000 people. If Sarajevo's fortune would have prevailed until 1700, it would have been the 10th biggest city in Europe.
tarce604 4 years ago 3
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vladislavskalicky 4 years ago
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admir111 4 years ago