S7E5 Air Crash Investigations - Target is Destroyed - Korean Air Lines Flight 007- English

[Witherwings100]

Both US and USSR are responsible-

Us for sending a spy plane on a civil route

USSR for shooting the plane witout complete confirmation

[VERGIS92]

The soviets thought James Bond was on that flight, in a spy mission, but seriously why didn't the pilot get close to perform visual recognition to see if civilian were on the plane before shooting down?

[ballebanan]

I guess the denial of the fighter pilot is a defense mecanism... if it -did- dawn on him that he actually killed 270 people, he would most likely break down.

[georgelei12]

We can see no excuse whatsoever for this appalling act. What about Iran Air Flight 655 shot down by the US Navy?

[TheLastScion1]

@georgelei12 Iran Air Flight 655 occurred in the Middle East, during the Iran-Iraq War. There are 2 parties who could be blamed for that crash. The 1st is the Iranian Government (a dictatorship), which is said to have set up their own people The 2nd is the crew of the U.S.S. Vincennes; a.k.a., a bunch of paranoid idiots who believed IR655 was an Iranian Fighter Jet & not a civilian airliner.

*I RAN OUT OF ROOM; SEE MY NEXT COMMENT*

[campy9sp]

@TheLastScion1 I have met and personally spoken with the skipper of the Vincennes. I can assure you, he is no idiot, nor was the crew paranoid as you state so flippantly. One has to look at the big picture.

[TheLastScion1]

@georgelei12 Still, the question remains - who was/is to blame for the fate of Iran Air Flight 655? The world may never know. Indeed, it seems that any Middle Eastern conflict the U.S. gets involved in - the War on Terrorism, for example - is, as they say, a "Sea of Lies". But that's my opinion. What's yours?

[theblacksheep1000]

IN SOVIET RUSSIA, LIES TELL YOU!

[AmpEnV]

I like how they blame the pilots for this and not the soviets for fucking shooting it down.

[Georgeruby12]

thanks for uploading

[diliosthegreek1]

I don't care what that damn Rooskie thought--he's still a mass murderer.

[Seraph1967]

4. Andropov was at power in Moscow; assuming that he was the guy who started to move Soviet Union direction Russia, the shoot-down could be used by him to show the military how incompetent it was... an to path his own way (which was briefly stopped by Chernenko but resumed by Gorbatschev)

[Seraph1967]

Did anyone considered a possibility that Korean B747 avionics were fiddled with by Americans?

Accoring to the old latin rule 'cui prodest', they could have considerably gained from it (strategically):

1. Having RC-135 in the air, they could observe and spy-hear all the communications of Soviet Air Force scrambling theit jets twice in the air.

2. If the Soviets would shoot the plane down, they could show the world, how evil the Empire was

3. Able Archer 83 (see e.g. Wikipedia) was on its way

[efebasaran137]

the pilots make big mistake

[NoelCon100]

It doesn't look like is target destroyed where is the target then?

[Scitech101]

Dumbass pilot.

[spacegirl13]

This is awful story. So many lives lost because of a mistake...I hope this story from the past will teach us that any kind of war is just not worth it...

[tommy124t1]

why is there one dislike?

[thedayitriedtodie]

and why didn't ATC notice they were off-course?

[craigdragon17]

@thedayitriedtodie weren't you paying attention?? they were out of radar range.

[MyVideoHubOnDell]

@thedayitriedtodie The pilots are supposed to be responsible for their own navigation. ATC won't tell them of their required course unless they are obviously heading WAY off course.

[thedayitriedtodie]

@MyVideoHubOnDell

i agree, but they were quite off course, wouldn't u agree?

[MyVideoHubOnDell]

@thedayitriedtodie You have a point there, but the thing is (correct me if I'm wrong) that ATC doesn't actually know the pilot's exact route. The pilots file flight plans, with the information about their route, by themselves, so it's the pilot's job to keep the plane on course.

[aabbii93here]

@thedayitriedtodie it was because flight 007 was out of Tokyo's Radar range, so he could only rely on what the pilots were telling him.

[mirchik2]

@thedayitriedtodie Because they were out of ATC's (in Tokio) radar range. So the pilots could only verify their position to the controller verbally.

[Serdjo89]

You Americans, just remmeber Iran Air 655, and don't say a thing!!!

[ChristopherSaindon]

@Serdjo89 I am American, I remember 655 and I'll say any damn thing I want ANY time I want

[Serdjo89]

@ChristopherSaindon Ohh, you are sooo cooool, you are sooo brave, telling people ANYthing you want ANYtime you want on YouTube...just great, well done!

[ChristopherSaindon]

@Serdjo89 Damn right well done

[craigdragon17]

@Serdjo89 I do agree with you on the Iran Air incident, however you have to remember that the Soviets at the time were shifty in there behavior and they had a tendency to be overly secretive (as are most communist government). I am an American, but I think the Russian pilot acted appropriately given the information he had at the time and to be honest I probably would have done the same. He was given an order and he followed it. I certainly can't blamed him for still believing it was spy plane.

[Serdjo89]

@craigdragon17 I agree with you. It's nice to know that there are people how are willing to talk about facts without involving emotional or political opinions.

[airplanegod]

@Serdjo89 I agree as well, the Iran Air incident was a bullshit move by us. For this particular incident, Korean Air 007, while I don't blame the Soviet pilot, I certainly do blame the people giving the orders that night. THEY should be the ones that are at falt. The pilot was just acting on orders.

[nccsa186]

@airplanegod I thought we got rid of the "just following orders" defense in 1946?

[airplanegod]

@nccsa186 The Russians certainly didn't......

[SoulKittyKat]

For the fighter pilot to still believe he shot down a spy plane makes him a complete idiot. All the proof is there.

[1shaneyeo]

Soviet union sucks

[RKr894]

is anyone tell me what is mayday means or its like a emergance?

[garbidz]

@RKr894

m'aidez is French, means 'help me' and is pronounced like mayday, almost

[RKr894]

@garbidz ohh greatttt thnk u brother :)

[GalaxyMaster99]

That Korean Air Pilot looked like the actor of JAL123(Correct me if i am wrong)

[Lysy2]

Typical soviet fashion. to them human life was very cheap including the life of their own people. communism was and is sick ideology

[Annon1100]

RIP all you 269 people who died. Totally innocent victims of a conflict which had nothing to do you with you.

[HittokiriBatosai]

Who would use a 747 as a spy plane??

[BABS7474]

@HittokiriBatosai you see, for the mission to be accomplished efficiently, what you least expect is usually the best alternative in order to deceive. Using a Boeing 747 could easily deceive anyone into thinking it definitely wouldn't be a spy plane when it actuality, it could, even though I'm not saying in this case it was.lol

[schizophrantic]

@BABS7474 No air force has ever used civilian airplanes for spying. The high command on the ground assumed the Boeing 747 was a Boeing RC-135 reconnaissance plane because of its 4 jet trails. They were determined to shoot this plane down because of previous infractions of American spy planes. They ordered the pilot to shoot it, and he followed the order like a robot. The pilot was stupid, a monster plane like the 747 is unmistakable and can never be a spy plane.

[BABS7474]

@schizophrantic But the airforce pilot and his country could still have thought that the country who owns the airliner would go to any length as to use a 747 passenger jet to spy on their territory.Have you seen insects used to spy lately? Great creative technology.

Just because you know no country that has ever used a spy plane to spy doesn't mean it would never happen.I'm not saying it did or didn't in this case though.

[schizophrantic]

@BABS7474 They didn't know it was a 747, so they couldn't have thought "that the country who owns the airliner would go to any length as to use a 747 passenger jet to spy." You don't make sense.

As I wrote before the high command assumed it was a RC-135 and they didn't take the necessary steps to verify it wasn't a passenger jet. Some modified passenger jets do spy, they are called AWACS and can be spotted from 10km away because of the large rotating radar dome.

[BABS7474]

@schizophrantic You lack understanding.How wouldn't the fighter pilot not have known it was a 747 or a passenger jet. He was flying right behind it at probably the same exact height, the 747 aircraft manuevered right before him to move to a different altitude. I can tell it's a 747 if I'm right behind one and wouldn't even mistake it for a A340. The point is that it didn't really matter to the pilot if it was a passenger jet or not.To him and those who sent him, it's just a matter of suspicion.

[schizophrantic]

@BABS7474 I simplify it for you: pilot knows when he gets close; the command on ground don't ask/confirm/certify with him; trigger-happy commander is only concerned with aerial violation=destruction of the plane and orders pilot to shoot it down; pilot behaves like a robot.

Search for "Korean Air Lines Flight 007 transcripts" on google and read it if you have the time. At no time the command thought "the country who owns the airliner would go to any length as to use a 747 passenger jet to spy"

[MyAlen09]

Seeing them scream and bleed alot gave me chills somehow... ._.

[davvvvo]

couldent the soviet pilot flied in the front of the enemy so if they could have seen him but nope

[basscos]

1)I think it is very simplified to say that the pilots don't turn the selector from HDG to INS.It is a whole process to setup and monitor theINS.It gives the possibility to check your track for drifting.More possible is that the INS had problem.2)In the interception the pilot goes side by side with the "enemy" aircraft and swing the wings so the"enemy" understand and leave or guide him out from the airspace,if they can't contact with radio.So I think they cover the maker & Rusians and all is OK

[Draplax]

danm you war

[gloomyoutlook]

"Korean Air 007?"

"Go ahead, Korean Air 015"

"...What're you wearing?"

[sammysosa2454]

@gloomyoutlook XD

[lugonic97]

@gloomyoutlook Its What are you doing

[etcpool]

why didn't they radio to warn the plane b4 shooting?

[sammysosa2454]

@etcpool they thought it was an enemy. I dont think itd be good tactics to radio and enemy trespassing your airspace asking permission to shoot it down

[druvik]

@etcpool yea i was w8ing for that moment on the video, but it seems there was never radio contact? wtf? they could'v just said something like "hey buddy , you're entering forbidden air space. you either move away now or you are going down." i bet the pilots would be scared shitless and make something.

but i guess the russians had made up their minds by now, so there was no turning back point. sad :|

[trollolololololo]

@etcpool The Soviets perceived the liner as a threat. Not to mention there are hundreds to thousands of aircraft in the sky. At night, you can't see if the aircraft is a B747 or a B52, let alone see the aircraft's markings.

Even if they were to somehow magically get the plane's callsign and radio frequency, how would warning them help? "Oh, hello, you might be a high-tech reconnaissance plane, but I'm gonna warn you that we're right on your ass and we're gonna shoot you down, k?"

[DarthKieduss43]

@etcpool The Soviets shoot first then ask questions later.

[darkyoda]

@etcpool The Russians claimed that they believed the plane was a spy plane and was in violation of their airspace. This would have given them authority to fire without warning. Even knowing the plane had civilians didn't change that fact. The truth of it is that they didn't care. It's not like games where you fire a warning shot.

[pastelliazzurro]

@etcpool because the soviets sucked

[KangaKucha]

@etcpool they did

[telmuun1221]

@etcpool i dont think it would be good idea to radio to your enemy plane and warn them that you are gonna shoot it. it was a cold war era and russians probably thought it was a enemy or a spy plane. and more thing is usa had a military plane in the near airspace and i think they are probably knew that russians dispatch interceptors twice to that korean airplane. why they didnt do anything?

[customlego8000]

@etcpool  i like pie

[09090888ful]

@etcpool because they are bloody russians!!!!

[TheMarlinspike]

@etcpool Warn them of what? That they're going to shoot?

What difference would it make?

[dedeyun]

Thank You, Love your uploads sir, Keep Coming!! :D

[saintex50]

At 18:16 "waypoints are GPS coordinates"

GPS ?? in 1983 ??

[harklompil]

@saintex50 They probably mean usual geographic coordinates, but in order to make it more understandable for today's audience familiar with navigation systems in cars they call them GPS coordinates. Buy anyway, how did this navigation system in the plane work anyway at that time, before GPS? How did it find the waypoints, especially in the ocean? Can anybody tell me?

[saintex50]

@harklompil

At that time (and still now) aircrafts use inertial navigation system or INS. You enter your exact coordinates at the gate before taxiing then each move (even a few meters on the ground) is detected by very sensitive (to any acceleration) gyroscopes and a computer displays the new position. The accuracy of INS is about 1 nautical mile after a 3.000 NM trip which is remarkable. INS depends neither on satellites nor on ground beacons. Sorry for my english (I'm french).

[TheAngrybambr]

@saintex50 Inertia system is still in use for long distance flights, now the trick is with data entry at the gate. The story behind the 007 INS screw up is that they entered magnetic course instead of true and thus got the offset of five hundred km , I don't buy this crap.

[trollolololololo]

@saintex50 It's been operational since 1978.

[daverox007]

This was season 9 episode 5

[daverox007]

Just checked and this is not season 7 episode 5 as operation babylift was

[titanic5577]

what happened to the other missile

[jazzpilotman]

yeah thank you

[fripouille69]

Super quality video and sound. I really do enjoy these all-in-one uploads. Thank you...

[5IrFaN5]

Thanks!!