@loser42453 C'mon, firstly I am not an Arab, secondly I will really enjoy shitting on a retard like you, you little heeby geeby!!! Zionists are not Jews!!! go read the Torah!! You cannot rule over Israel until the Messiah returns!! - BUT as he did - then you would have to had to become Christians - THEN no such thing as Jews or Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Answer A: The Arab leaders. When Israel accepted the UN partition plan, the Arabs launched an attack to throw the Jews to the sea. When they failed, then the local Arab population fled in fear, created by 30 years of propaganda claiming the Jews are devils. Only the Arab leaders are to blame.
Answer B: Who's land? It was Jordanian land before 1967, which they OCCUPIED during an attack on the new Jewish state. Now, the Jordanians don't want it (it was offered to them in the peace treaty).
"fled in fear" - that's BULLSHIT, nobody believes that except Jews who only believe ANY excuse to violate Palestinians human rights.
"Who's land?"
I'll tell you who's land ; NOT ISRAEL'S. Israel CONSTANTLY violates the LAW and severely oppresses human rights, even treats ally's like SHIT - then you cry and moan that "everybody hates meeeeeee waaaaaaahh" - and use that as an excuse to CONTINUE being assholes.
Well stop acting like a BITCH and you won't get treated like one.
@schmoborama "Nobody believes that except JEWS"... Well, now we have your real face exposed. No wonder you misrepresent facts and interpret everything as "Israeli ASSHOLES trying to kill Palestinians". Face it, you're a racist.
Not quite - I wrote "Jews who only believe any excuse..."
I'm well aware that there are thousands of Jews, and Jewish organizations who agree with ME and not you. It was my mistake not to define the difference better.
Answer C: So far, the only ethnic cleansing demand I've heard of is that of Palestinians demanding a Jew-free west bank.
Answer D: Israel offered to (forcefully) remove most of it's own population from the west bank in a peace accord. The Palestinians said NO, started the intifada, and now they even refuse to negotiate. Settlements never were an obstacle to peace. However the Palestinians do use them to escape responsibility for solving this.
"self-defense" is what fucking Israel calls it when they kill 3 year olds. You think it's fine to drop phosphorus on kids, shoot old ladies in the head, missle attack the nieces and daughters of a Palestinian doctor, "accidentaly"; everyone should just let that slide, but oh, when a Jew so much as has to run into a shelter, that's horrible!! The whole fucking world should be defending us!!! ... while we steal land...
So don't point your holier-than-thou morality finger at me.
@fnAmericanS : More criminals get killed every year than cops. More terrorist die than law enforcement. By your logic, it automatically follows that the criminals and terrorist are thus somehow more just or need more protection.
@schmoborama You seemed like a smart person at the beginning of our argument, but now I see you have no idea what logic is...
Try to follow this closely: NO side is just or wrong based on the relative number of dead and injured, and not even on relative suffering. JUST or WRONG can only be looked upon by studying history, intent and action.
"NO side is just or wrong based on the number of dead and injured, not even on relative suffering. JUST or WRONG can only be looked upon by studying history, intent and action"
Absolutely right. Both sides are guilty of illegal murder. Israel has the power to stop one of the longest, bloodiest conflict in modern times, but won't, because of Zionists, religious fanatics and right-wing assholes in the government.
@schmoborama Read the Hamas charter for starter (you might even agree with it). Then (if you'd have an open and not a racist mindset) you might be able to understand what are the goals of each side.
Then read some history. And see who INTENTIONALLY attacked civilians in the last 90 years (Israel didn't even exist then, and the West Bank was Jordanian for most of it.).
"Read the Hamas charter - you might understand the goals of each side"
I seem to understand them better than you do, maybe because I read accounts from NEUTRAL sources, and not just pro-Israel ones.
When you hear on the news "Israel strikes in response to Hamas rocket attack", which is what you get from U.S. tv, you know that's blatant bias. Hamas *does* attack Israel *in response to Israeli attacks*, and Israel DOES attack for revenge, according to Israeli soldiers.
The response may not be proportional but is nevertheless necessary. Will it be sufficient? Further action may be necessary. Israel like Russia in the South Ossetia War cannot be restrained into doing what is proportional when what is proportional is clearly insufficient to restrain attacks on Israeli civilians.
We are facing the most vicious enemy in the world. They are planning our destruction every minute, they are twisting the truth, distort the facts, and they dreaming to push us to the sea every minute. We have no choice but to be strong and know that source of our strength in Hashem, our Father, our King.
I would add that the proportionality rhetoric is not helping the situation. The sufficiency and necessity of a response out weighs any argument revolving around the proportionality of a response. Just like Russia had to respond to Georgias missile attacks during a cease fire so does Israel need to respond.
@mjmorrow76 Israel can always respond proportionately. i.e. launch 9000 missiles at Gazan cities, blow up some packed buses in Ramallah, shoot at some Palestinians driving with the kids, and in general adhere to what the world sees as fair-play freedom-fighting.
@AngelRedeemer I certainly do not advocate the killing of Palestinians, but I am a Jew and my first loyalty must be to my people. The issues you raise make a great deal of sense, but I in the balance is always the survival of my kind and I must side with the survival of Jews, I must side with my people, even if I am unhappy with how wars are conducted. I assume that you are a Palestinian and I admire your love for your people, as it is the same passion I have for Jews.
@mjmorrow76 I guess context would have helped in my response. I was making the case against the concept of proportionality when dealing with terrorism. The examples brought forward were of Palestinian acts of terror committed against Israelis.
@AngelRedeemer I certainly do not advocate the killing of Palestinians, but I am a Jew and my first loyalty must be to my people. The issues you raise make a great deal of sense, but I in the balance is always the survival of my kind and I must side with the survival of Jews, I must side with my people, even if I am unhappy with how wars are conducted. I assume that you are a Palestinian and I admire your love for your people, as it is the same passion I have for Jews.
@AngelRedeemer - It is my fault. I need to read carefully before I write. Yes, proplortionality, while a worthy moral academic issue, is a matter that we cannot afford to place above the security and survival of the State of Israel. I do not advocate violence, but no academic concept should trump the security and safety of Israelis. It is always better to sacrifice idealism in favor of saving Israeli lives.
yes the mighty palestinian army is ready to roll across isreal and kick you into the sea,what universe are you living in and hashem is also the father of palestinians through someguy named abraham.......let me know when the glorious palestinian air force bombs tel avi and tries to avoid civilian human casualties
go back to germany where u slimes belong!!!
dubyamoney 6 months ago
@dubyamoney haahha and you belong in my toilet
loser42453 6 months ago
@loser42453 Exactly!!! well said - so I can shit on you!!!
dubyamoney 6 months ago
@dubyamoney dumbass no i shit on you fucking arab doesnt know anything
loser42453 5 months ago
@loser42453 C'mon, firstly I am not an Arab, secondly I will really enjoy shitting on a retard like you, you little heeby geeby!!! Zionists are not Jews!!! go read the Torah!! You cannot rule over Israel until the Messiah returns!! - BUT as he did - then you would have to had to become Christians - THEN no such thing as Jews or Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dubyamoney 5 months ago
@dubyamoney your logic is stupid
loser42453 5 months ago
fuck u dirty lying zionazis
dubyamoney 1 year ago
@dubyamoney and your muslm
loser42453 6 months ago
@loser42453 loser by name and by nature I guess!!!
dubyamoney 6 months ago
propaganda!!!! Israel occupies this land illegaly!!!
KingOfKingz911 1 year ago
@KingOfKingz911 stop spreading propaganda.....
DivyaPreity4ever 1 year ago
@KingOfKingz911 there never was a palestine
loser42453 6 months ago
Who forced 100's of 1000's of people out of their homes, *based on their religion*, in 1948?
Who's occupying who's land - ILLEGALLY?
Who's waging a holy war to take all of Palestine for themselves and kick every non-Jew out?
Who puts more and more settlers on Palestinian land every year?
Who denies the Palestinians their rights in their OWN DAMN COUNTRY?
ISRAEL get the FCK out of Palestine - or accept the consequences.
How can you pricks blame the Palestinians for trying to defend themselves??
schmoborama 2 years ago
Answer A: The Arab leaders. When Israel accepted the UN partition plan, the Arabs launched an attack to throw the Jews to the sea. When they failed, then the local Arab population fled in fear, created by 30 years of propaganda claiming the Jews are devils. Only the Arab leaders are to blame.
Answer B: Who's land? It was Jordanian land before 1967, which they OCCUPIED during an attack on the new Jewish state. Now, the Jordanians don't want it (it was offered to them in the peace treaty).
AngelRedeemer 1 year ago
@AngelRedeemer
"fled in fear" - that's BULLSHIT, nobody believes that except Jews who only believe ANY excuse to violate Palestinians human rights.
"Who's land?"
I'll tell you who's land ; NOT ISRAEL'S. Israel CONSTANTLY violates the LAW and severely oppresses human rights, even treats ally's like SHIT - then you cry and moan that "everybody hates meeeeeee waaaaaaahh" - and use that as an excuse to CONTINUE being assholes.
Well stop acting like a BITCH and you won't get treated like one.
schmoborama 1 year ago
@schmoborama "Nobody believes that except JEWS"... Well, now we have your real face exposed. No wonder you misrepresent facts and interpret everything as "Israeli ASSHOLES trying to kill Palestinians". Face it, you're a racist.
AngelRedeemer 1 year ago
@AngelRedeemer
Not quite - I wrote "Jews who only believe any excuse..."
I'm well aware that there are thousands of Jews, and Jewish organizations who agree with ME and not you. It was my mistake not to define the difference better.
schmoborama 1 year ago
@schmoborama
Answer C: So far, the only ethnic cleansing demand I've heard of is that of Palestinians demanding a Jew-free west bank.
Answer D: Israel offered to (forcefully) remove most of it's own population from the west bank in a peace accord. The Palestinians said NO, started the intifada, and now they even refuse to negotiate. Settlements never were an obstacle to peace. However the Palestinians do use them to escape responsibility for solving this.
AngelRedeemer 1 year ago
@AngelRedeemer
"the only ethnic cleansing demand I've heard..."
More lying shit. You know damn fucking well that there's thousands of Jews who want every arab kicked out of Palestine if not KILLED.
"Israel offered to (forcefully) remove most of it's own population from the west bank in a peace accord"
WRONG. Barak did NOT OFFER TO REMOVE SETTLERS.
But in any case, that failed peace process is an ASSHOLE'S excuse to CONTINUE to VIOLATE International LAW.
schmoborama 1 year ago
And last, my friend @schmoborama, if you call targeting civilians 'self defense', then you have some serious issues with morality.
AngelRedeemer 1 year ago
@AngelRedeemer
"self-defense" is what fucking Israel calls it when they kill 3 year olds. You think it's fine to drop phosphorus on kids, shoot old ladies in the head, missle attack the nieces and daughters of a Palestinian doctor, "accidentaly"; everyone should just let that slide, but oh, when a Jew so much as has to run into a shelter, that's horrible!! The whole fucking world should be defending us!!! ... while we steal land...
So don't point your holier-than-thou morality finger at me.
schmoborama 1 year ago
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AngelRedeemer 1 year ago
over 1000 dead in camp A ,less then 15 in camp B, I wonder who is more afraid and helpless...........and camp B has nuclear weapons
fnAmericanS 3 years ago
@fnAmericanS : More criminals get killed every year than cops. More terrorist die than law enforcement. By your logic, it automatically follows that the criminals and terrorist are thus somehow more just or need more protection.
AngelRedeemer 1 year ago
@AngelRedeemer
And by your "logic", anyone who's killed by a soldier in uniform is a terrorist or criminal. That would include Auschwitz.
schmoborama 1 year ago
@schmoborama You seemed like a smart person at the beginning of our argument, but now I see you have no idea what logic is...
Try to follow this closely: NO side is just or wrong based on the relative number of dead and injured, and not even on relative suffering. JUST or WRONG can only be looked upon by studying history, intent and action.
AngelRedeemer 1 year ago
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@AngelRedeemer
"NO side is just or wrong based on the number of dead and injured, not even on relative suffering. JUST or WRONG can only be looked upon by studying history, intent and action"
Absolutely right. Both sides are guilty of illegal murder. Israel has the power to stop one of the longest, bloodiest conflict in modern times, but won't, because of Zionists, religious fanatics and right-wing assholes in the government.
schmoborama 1 year ago
@schmoborama Read the Hamas charter for starter (you might even agree with it). Then (if you'd have an open and not a racist mindset) you might be able to understand what are the goals of each side.
Then read some history. And see who INTENTIONALLY attacked civilians in the last 90 years (Israel didn't even exist then, and the West Bank was Jordanian for most of it.).
AngelRedeemer 1 year ago
@AngelRedeemer
"Read the Hamas charter - you might understand the goals of each side"
I seem to understand them better than you do, maybe because I read accounts from NEUTRAL sources, and not just pro-Israel ones.
When you hear on the news "Israel strikes in response to Hamas rocket attack", which is what you get from U.S. tv, you know that's blatant bias. Hamas *does* attack Israel *in response to Israeli attacks*, and Israel DOES attack for revenge, according to Israeli soldiers.
schmoborama 1 year ago
The response may not be proportional but is nevertheless necessary. Will it be sufficient? Further action may be necessary. Israel like Russia in the South Ossetia War cannot be restrained into doing what is proportional when what is proportional is clearly insufficient to restrain attacks on Israeli civilians.
mjmorrow76 3 years ago
Enough of Hamas and their propaganda.
rbjmpp 3 years ago
We are facing the most vicious enemy in the world. They are planning our destruction every minute, they are twisting the truth, distort the facts, and they dreaming to push us to the sea every minute. We have no choice but to be strong and know that source of our strength in Hashem, our Father, our King.
Jewishfan 3 years ago 2
I would add that the proportionality rhetoric is not helping the situation. The sufficiency and necessity of a response out weighs any argument revolving around the proportionality of a response. Just like Russia had to respond to Georgias missile attacks during a cease fire so does Israel need to respond.
mjmorrow76 3 years ago
@mjmorrow76 Israel can always respond proportionately. i.e. launch 9000 missiles at Gazan cities, blow up some packed buses in Ramallah, shoot at some Palestinians driving with the kids, and in general adhere to what the world sees as fair-play freedom-fighting.
AngelRedeemer 1 year ago
@AngelRedeemer I certainly do not advocate the killing of Palestinians, but I am a Jew and my first loyalty must be to my people. The issues you raise make a great deal of sense, but I in the balance is always the survival of my kind and I must side with the survival of Jews, I must side with my people, even if I am unhappy with how wars are conducted. I assume that you are a Palestinian and I admire your love for your people, as it is the same passion I have for Jews.
mjmorrow76 1 year ago
@mjmorrow76 I guess context would have helped in my response. I was making the case against the concept of proportionality when dealing with terrorism. The examples brought forward were of Palestinian acts of terror committed against Israelis.
AngelRedeemer 1 year ago
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@AngelRedeemer I certainly do not advocate the killing of Palestinians, but I am a Jew and my first loyalty must be to my people. The issues you raise make a great deal of sense, but I in the balance is always the survival of my kind and I must side with the survival of Jews, I must side with my people, even if I am unhappy with how wars are conducted. I assume that you are a Palestinian and I admire your love for your people, as it is the same passion I have for Jews.
mjmorrow76 1 year ago
@AngelRedeemer - It is my fault. I need to read carefully before I write. Yes, proplortionality, while a worthy moral academic issue, is a matter that we cannot afford to place above the security and survival of the State of Israel. I do not advocate violence, but no academic concept should trump the security and safety of Israelis. It is always better to sacrifice idealism in favor of saving Israeli lives.
mjmorrow76 1 year ago
yes the mighty palestinian army is ready to roll across isreal and kick you into the sea,what universe are you living in and hashem is also the father of palestinians through someguy named abraham.......let me know when the glorious palestinian air force bombs tel avi and tries to avoid civilian human casualties
fnAmericanS 3 years ago