@CMMY81 Yeah but the Holocaust was the most "well-organized" massive extermination of human beings in history. We talked about massive systematic extermination of human - 6 millions perished during the Holocaust. Next, let's talk about the "efficiency" of gas chamber: we can kill maybe 80000 peoples in 24 hours and ... Do you remember all of that? Terrible, I hope those only lies. Because if its true I can't imagine it could happen in this world.
@fjimmyl You can’t imagine it. Nor can I. But it is a well documented fact that this mass murder (combined with the biggest robbery ever) has happened.
Why did they keep believing what the german scum said.. They thought the police would send Anna straight home and now they thought she would get help? After all that had happened.. Don't get it:S
@TheDKGirl The worst idiot is the mother, who should have been shot or gassed a long time ago. If it wasn't for her ego and denial of what was obviously going on around her, her whole family including her sorry ass would be alive and happy somewhere far from that Hell hole. This show angers me.
Remind me to avoid this hospital....anyone who worked at a place like this must have been cursed with nightmares for a lifetime. They should have been. This is factual, too. Before gas, the nazis used carbon monoxide.
@scott053 Why are you calling me names? I never denied that America has corruption and wrong-doing. I'd be the first to admit it, because I've experienced quite a bit of that, in the form of racism, against myself and my family because of our African-American ancestry. Slavery, segregation, eugenics, misogyny, government corruption, etc. are all things that took place here. However, regarding the scope of the crime (Holocaust), I still feel that the Nazis were probably the most evil--
(Continued) because of the sheer SCOPE of their crimes. Nothing like a mass planned extermination of a people had EVER been attempted before in human history until Hitler rose to power and perpetrated a calculated and cunning propaganda campaign to stigmatize the Jews and win the support of Germany. America may be DEEPLY flawed but you must remember, if it hadn't been for the brave soldiers who fought (such as my own grandpa) in WWII, Hitler would've continued murdering Jews around the world.
@RETROGEMS Agreed. My grandmother was the only survivor of her 13 brothers and sisters that the nazi's brutally tortured and murdered. Because of them, who knows how many generations of family I would have had. They didn't just kill my great aunts and uncles, they killed my future cousins and friends that I will now never have a chance to meet.
@RETROGEMS while i empathize with the plight of your people...i cant help but notice something that you left out of your comments...its funny that everyone seems to always forget about the NATIVE americans when relating their disgust with the nazi regime to things that happened here in the land of the free and the home of the brave....is it because the injuns choose not to piss and moan about their exterminated ancestors? or have we made them so difficult to find that we cant ask them?? hmmm...
@RETROGEMS Ever hear of the Mongols and Genghis Khan? Don't forget Al Qaeda and the Turks that massacred the Armenians. Oh and yes the genocide in Rwanda. It's not only the Nazi's it's humanity.
Meryl Streep's character is stupid for giving Anna away, as she will probaly be treated much worse and probaly sent to a concentration camp. I can't beleive she would do that, probaly just wanted to get her out of her hands.
I am a registered nurse and this part of the show really makes me want to vomit. I truly wonder how many people today realize that Hitler did this to the mentally ill and crippled. I can't believe what the Nazi doctors did to people. The experiments they performed as well. The oath to "do no harm." What happened here makes me sick at heart.!!! It is a disgrace to the medical profession.
@alexamerling20 Hadamar was a so called T4 euthanasia killing centre in Hesse, Germany. They gassed the “mentally disturbed” patients in vans. The Hadamar "sluice" became the model for the "sluices" or "tubes", later used in the extermination camps of “Aktion Reinhard”. From the commencement of gassing operations on 13 January 1941 until August of that year, approximately 100 victims were killed every day.
many inmates dies of malnutrition, the cold, beatings, shooting, electrocutings, etc.
the usage of gas in the beginning of this genocid was very limited. though the nazi criminals later on advanced the lvl of usage to the main killing method.
escpecially in the beginning shooting was the most common method of mass murder...
y would she be stupid enough to send her away, i would be so paranoid by this point i wouldn't have even brought her to a "normal" hospital in fear that they would kill her or send her away
You aren't contributing much to society by sticking up for eugenics. No human being has the right to evaluate another's "contribution to society" as an indication of whether or not they have the right to live. Perhaps the disabled, the disturbed and the demented are here to teach we "normal" people how to treat the underdogs of the world. that's more of a contribution than I've ever made.
@CaliforniaGirl088 Because at this point Meryl Streep's character is thinking "I'm a German so they won't hurt me or anyone I try to help" not even realizing that she really has no clout as a German at this point when it comes to Jews. And in the character's defense, she was hoping taking her to the mental hospital would help the girl with therapy, not once thinking her German comrades would gas a family member.
why would you kill them are we not all the same? this is what i dont get what was the point of the Holocaust ? what did it resolve nothing! gwad i hate this shit!
Doctors who conducted such actions were later tried and convicted at Nuremburg by the International military tribunal. Some went to prison. Others went to the gallows. All the Nazis should have went to the gallows.
Just my opinion but I think that every time that Meryl Streep cried it was because of the recent death of her fiancé. You can tell if you focus on her mood during the whole entire show. In interviews many of her co-workers said that she wasn't herself at the time of filming due to John Cazales death which occured only about a month or two before she started.
That is what a certain So-called Dr. Peter Singer at Princeton Universary proposes that parents should be allowed to do with their mental disabled children. Sick.
I always thought that if I was in the Heer and I saw anything like what they did to Anna I would shoot the bastards without and not loose any sleep whatsoever. Big f**** brave heroes. The ironic thing is those who raped her would have been arrested as commiting a crime against thier race.
I have to say. I have looked at various programmes and read articles on the holocaust throughout my life so far, but this series is the first time that the actually horror of the whole situation has really hit me....
Anna was a victim of "T4" - the Nazi euthanasia programme. The most disgusting thing about it was that the doctors and nurses would put on nice faces and tell the relatives that their patients would be well looked after, and when they died, they died naturally - when in fact they were gassed with carbon monoxide. This film illustrates that perfectly.
Poor Anna.......thats the main reason why 'I' find it difficult to perceive males and females as being the same. There are psychological as well as physiological differences. If she were a male jumped on by 3 German women and forced into sex...the boy would go home smiling&singing instead of being traumatized. I know other conditions would traumatize a male as well. But not the opposite sex issue Im talking about. I have a feeling Im going to get an eye/ear full here......but so be it.
@translationwiz I agree what you said. In fact those guys who did that to her was more than twice her age!!!!! Disgusting, She could have developed all kinds of psychological disease from that incident.
And your point is what? Zyklon B wasn't used until Auschwitz and Majdanek began operating as death camps. Until that point, the Nazis were experimenting with various methods of killing.
they hadn't developed the efficiency to use zyclone b. without the fans, such as found in auschwitz, the room was unenterable for too long for the nazi's liking. co2 was the most efficient way at the time
Correct!! Besides, zyclone b was discovered by accident. It was first used for de-lousing. Then it knocked some out. So, they figured, if a little can knock em out. A lot must be able to ..........and the rest is the awful history we have.
This is crap. The disabled can be rehabilitated. It is possible. I know because I worked in those programs to help them. They are independant productive members of the community.
Unfortunately Eugenics teaching disreguarded this and viewed these people as unredeemable. The Nazis picked up on this with devistating results.
germans need to believe hitlers ideas.. they need to trust in something.. after ww1 they felt as none.. and suddently a man talks about them being the pure race.. obviously they neede to believe that, but i am not too sure they were completely suppoting those ideas..
the same thing goes for all religion in general, it is used to twist and manifest peoples morlity using religion, in a way the worst thing to be created from this earth is the notion of god
@KatieDerry Ir's horrible that she had to die in this manner but, at least she didn't get pregnant by the rapists. Anyway they were wrong for raping her and, had she wanted to leave when running away from hom she would have been alive like her brother andy.
Some families did. In some cases, the letter sent by the institution would give a fictitious cause of death that the family knew was impossible, such as appendicitis when the person already had their appendix out. Or cremated remains would be returned to the family, and since the victims were cremated en masse, the wrong remains would be sent (a bobby pin in the ashes when they were supposedly a man's remains.)
Many people must remember that the Holocaust did not only affect the Jews. There were many others too. We must remember everyone adversely affected. Homosexuals, Mentally retarded, and political prisoners. and anyone else.
Many disabled people both jewish and non jewish died at Hadamar and other mental institutions in Germany during the war. They called it "life unworthy of life". It was absolutely terrible.
So they should die? I have a brother who has schizophrenia and a sister with multiple handicaps. You think they should be killed because of this? That's a terrible thing to say and think, I pity you.
I agree w/you. This was called "euthanasia" in Nazi-Germany, and a form of it, was called "eugenics" in America and shockingly enough, was practiced RIGHT HERE on our soil against fellow citizens.
While not killed, many people (mostly Native and Black women alongside mentally retarded women), were sterilized against their & their families' will. In fact, I read that Hitler was actually "inspired" by the activities happening in America and based some of his sick theories off of it.
This is so cool watching 7min at a time.I missed stacks on the vid.
Joebunkyss1 1 week ago
Moral:don lusun to marma.
Joebunkyss1 1 week ago
@CMMY81 Yeah but the Holocaust was the most "well-organized" massive extermination of human beings in history. We talked about massive systematic extermination of human - 6 millions perished during the Holocaust. Next, let's talk about the "efficiency" of gas chamber: we can kill maybe 80000 peoples in 24 hours and ... Do you remember all of that? Terrible, I hope those only lies. Because if its true I can't imagine it could happen in this world.
fjimmyl 3 months ago
@fjimmyl You can’t imagine it. Nor can I. But it is a well documented fact that this mass murder (combined with the biggest robbery ever) has happened.
Cassandra1821 2 months ago
these are V.A. doctors and nurses no doubt.
glynamus 4 months ago
Why did they keep believing what the german scum said.. They thought the police would send Anna straight home and now they thought she would get help? After all that had happened.. Don't get it:S
TheDKGirl 4 months ago
@TheDKGirl The worst idiot is the mother, who should have been shot or gassed a long time ago. If it wasn't for her ego and denial of what was obviously going on around her, her whole family including her sorry ass would be alive and happy somewhere far from that Hell hole. This show angers me.
YambidiBlamBlam 2 weeks ago
Remind me to avoid this hospital....anyone who worked at a place like this must have been cursed with nightmares for a lifetime. They should have been. This is factual, too. Before gas, the nazis used carbon monoxide.
TheRealCritique 5 months ago
Hadamar was very, very real... horribly so.
JimmyBoi2 6 months ago
@scott053 Why are you calling me names? I never denied that America has corruption and wrong-doing. I'd be the first to admit it, because I've experienced quite a bit of that, in the form of racism, against myself and my family because of our African-American ancestry. Slavery, segregation, eugenics, misogyny, government corruption, etc. are all things that took place here. However, regarding the scope of the crime (Holocaust), I still feel that the Nazis were probably the most evil--
RETROGEMS 7 months ago
(Continued) because of the sheer SCOPE of their crimes. Nothing like a mass planned extermination of a people had EVER been attempted before in human history until Hitler rose to power and perpetrated a calculated and cunning propaganda campaign to stigmatize the Jews and win the support of Germany. America may be DEEPLY flawed but you must remember, if it hadn't been for the brave soldiers who fought (such as my own grandpa) in WWII, Hitler would've continued murdering Jews around the world.
RETROGEMS 7 months ago
@RETROGEMS Agreed. My grandmother was the only survivor of her 13 brothers and sisters that the nazi's brutally tortured and murdered. Because of them, who knows how many generations of family I would have had. They didn't just kill my great aunts and uncles, they killed my future cousins and friends that I will now never have a chance to meet.
Bigblue2ful 6 months ago 3
@RETROGEMS while i empathize with the plight of your people...i cant help but notice something that you left out of your comments...its funny that everyone seems to always forget about the NATIVE americans when relating their disgust with the nazi regime to things that happened here in the land of the free and the home of the brave....is it because the injuns choose not to piss and moan about their exterminated ancestors? or have we made them so difficult to find that we cant ask them?? hmmm...
ARNTORXWINDIRX1184 6 months ago
The Nazis were the most evil people who walked the earth!
RETROGEMS 7 months ago
@RETROGEMS Ever hear of the Mongols and Genghis Khan? Don't forget Al Qaeda and the Turks that massacred the Armenians. Oh and yes the genocide in Rwanda. It's not only the Nazi's it's humanity.
CMMY81 5 months ago 2
Meryl Streep's character is stupid for giving Anna away, as she will probaly be treated much worse and probaly sent to a concentration camp. I can't beleive she would do that, probaly just wanted to get her out of her hands.
vipjan12 8 months ago
I am a registered nurse and this part of the show really makes me want to vomit. I truly wonder how many people today realize that Hitler did this to the mentally ill and crippled. I can't believe what the Nazi doctors did to people. The experiments they performed as well. The oath to "do no harm." What happened here makes me sick at heart.!!! It is a disgrace to the medical profession.
mrb5844 9 months ago 2
@mrb5844
Yes indeed, and remember that until a decade before the war the best and brightest students in Europe and the United States studied in Germany.
DandDskeeto 7 months ago
WHAT A STUPID MOM....
dragchute86 11 months ago
died of pnemonia and malnutrition? More like intentional gassing....sick bastards....
alexamerling20 1 year ago 12
@alexamerling20 Hadamar was a so called T4 euthanasia killing centre in Hesse, Germany. They gassed the “mentally disturbed” patients in vans. The Hadamar "sluice" became the model for the "sluices" or "tubes", later used in the extermination camps of “Aktion Reinhard”. From the commencement of gassing operations on 13 January 1941 until August of that year, approximately 100 victims were killed every day.
Cassandra1821 2 months ago
@alexamerling20
many inmates dies of malnutrition, the cold, beatings, shooting, electrocutings, etc.
the usage of gas in the beginning of this genocid was very limited. though the nazi criminals later on advanced the lvl of usage to the main killing method.
escpecially in the beginning shooting was the most common method of mass murder...
thwoolfe 3 weeks ago
y would she be stupid enough to send her away, i would be so paranoid by this point i wouldn't have even brought her to a "normal" hospital in fear that they would kill her or send her away
0purple0oranges0 1 year ago 2
andrea2008etc.:
You aren't contributing much to society by sticking up for eugenics. No human being has the right to evaluate another's "contribution to society" as an indication of whether or not they have the right to live. Perhaps the disabled, the disturbed and the demented are here to teach we "normal" people how to treat the underdogs of the world. that's more of a contribution than I've ever made.
moiraregis 1 year ago 2
@moiraregis great point, nuf said
0purple0oranges0 1 year ago
This part made me laugh accidentally. Fucking Meryl Streep went full retard and handed her over to fuckin' science nazi's... dumb bitch.
IamDayoldHate 1 year ago
Why would she send her to a mental hospital?! What a stupid idea!
CaliforniaGirl088 1 year ago
@CaliforniaGirl088 Because at this point Meryl Streep's character is thinking "I'm a German so they won't hurt me or anyone I try to help" not even realizing that she really has no clout as a German at this point when it comes to Jews. And in the character's defense, she was hoping taking her to the mental hospital would help the girl with therapy, not once thinking her German comrades would gas a family member.
shadowmatrix0101 9 months ago
@shadowmatrix0101 Well said!
CaliforniaGirl088 9 months ago
why would you kill them are we not all the same? this is what i dont get what was the point of the Holocaust ? what did it resolve nothing! gwad i hate this shit!
Rebaneller1955 1 year ago
look up a book called The Wave.
It will chill you to the bone!
yuckfooie 1 year ago
They were in SERIOUS denile..
teenietiff19 1 year ago
@teenietiff19 denile is a river in Egypt
gweijai 1 year ago
By now Meryl should know turning in any Jew to the government is a very bad idea
SuperNancy90210 1 year ago 2
Doctors who conducted such actions were later tried and convicted at Nuremburg by the International military tribunal. Some went to prison. Others went to the gallows. All the Nazis should have went to the gallows.
topknotchsteez98 1 year ago
Just my opinion but I think that every time that Meryl Streep cried it was because of the recent death of her fiancé. You can tell if you focus on her mood during the whole entire show. In interviews many of her co-workers said that she wasn't herself at the time of filming due to John Cazales death which occured only about a month or two before she started.
abfabncis 1 year ago
That is what a certain So-called Dr. Peter Singer at Princeton Universary proposes that parents should be allowed to do with their mental disabled children. Sick.
jimmyhd1969 1 year ago
Oh my dear Lord, they killed them! I am appalled!
AtlasTitanX 1 year ago
Nikos Kazantzakis said, I have no hope, I have no fear, but the Weiss family had hope and much to fear.
PoliticalPars 1 year ago
I always thought that if I was in the Heer and I saw anything like what they did to Anna I would shoot the bastards without and not loose any sleep whatsoever. Big f**** brave heroes. The ironic thing is those who raped her would have been arrested as commiting a crime against thier race.
ss3cleric 1 year ago
Anna..bless her heart..at least she was "ignorant" in a sense before they gassed her..:(
Barbarella61 1 year ago
Evil bastards the lot of them
Squab1972 1 year ago
I have to say. I have looked at various programmes and read articles on the holocaust throughout my life so far, but this series is the first time that the actually horror of the whole situation has really hit me....
fluffycheep 1 year ago
You just signed her death warrent,Inga.
HUSKY57887 1 year ago 2
@HUSKY57887 She had no idea of what she was doing. Would you have known?
gior2009 1 year ago
Anna was a victim of "T4" - the Nazi euthanasia programme. The most disgusting thing about it was that the doctors and nurses would put on nice faces and tell the relatives that their patients would be well looked after, and when they died, they died naturally - when in fact they were gassed with carbon monoxide. This film illustrates that perfectly.
ragerule2006 1 year ago 2
This is a bit unrealistic part of this series imo, they would have known by then what turning someone over to the state would have meant by then.
teel6060 1 year ago
Jesus Christ.
darkprose 1 year ago
Meryl is some kind of wonderful.
thewomaninthemoon 1 year ago 4
that poor girl
TheMeaghan765 1 year ago
@TheMeaghan765 so true it makes my blood boil
hblollypopstar 1 year ago
They first used Carbon Monoxide emissions from trucks.
bananasplitsable 2 years ago
typical of nazi philosophy, state money not to support the weak ,so off to the gas chambers they went.
desiguy3 2 years ago
Poor Anna.......thats the main reason why 'I' find it difficult to perceive males and females as being the same. There are psychological as well as physiological differences. If she were a male jumped on by 3 German women and forced into sex...the boy would go home smiling&singing instead of being traumatized. I know other conditions would traumatize a male as well. But not the opposite sex issue Im talking about. I have a feeling Im going to get an eye/ear full here......but so be it.
peace.
translationwiz 2 years ago 4
I agree
werewolf1986 2 years ago
thanks werewolf
peace.
translationwiz 2 years ago
@translationwiz I agree what you said. In fact those guys who did that to her was more than twice her age!!!!! Disgusting, She could have developed all kinds of psychological disease from that incident.
hblollypopstar 1 year ago
of course they had zyklon b it exists since 1922... the nazis were using it since 1942...
AlexanderVW1983 2 years ago
i HATE HATE HATE that Ana dies!!!
cts12894 2 years ago
Meryl Streep with her usual brilliance delivered a sterling performance. She was so natural. Damn Meryl.
brotherjohn25 2 years ago 2
Meryl Streep is amazing! She acts sooo good! I love her!
petra749 2 years ago 2
Lol, a fucking engine....no "Zyklon B"?
Joseph565112 2 years ago 2
in that time they had´nt the zyklon b yet,beside of that zyklon b was just used for the jews...
AlexanderVW1983 2 years ago
Well, Zyklon B existed but it was being used for what it was designed for....helping out big Hans on the farm as a pesticide.
Joseph565112 2 years ago 4
And your point is what? Zyklon B wasn't used until Auschwitz and Majdanek began operating as death camps. Until that point, the Nazis were experimenting with various methods of killing.
MikestheCat 2 years ago
My point? My point is that it existed and it was a pesticide...that is correct you know.
Joseph565112 2 years ago
they hadn't developed the efficiency to use zyclone b. without the fans, such as found in auschwitz, the room was unenterable for too long for the nazi's liking. co2 was the most efficient way at the time
padretwitchy 2 years ago
Correct!! Besides, zyclone b was discovered by accident. It was first used for de-lousing. Then it knocked some out. So, they figured, if a little can knock em out. A lot must be able to ..........and the rest is the awful history we have.
peace.
translationwiz 2 years ago
They did this in the 30s under T4.
They say that after they died from the c02, they were all pink. Very sick.
mainestategop 2 years ago
This is crap. The disabled can be rehabilitated. It is possible. I know because I worked in those programs to help them. They are independant productive members of the community.
Unfortunately Eugenics teaching disreguarded this and viewed these people as unredeemable. The Nazis picked up on this with devistating results.
mainestategop 2 years ago
they killed people like this cause they taught they were useless
grimmnekrokvlt 2 years ago 2
sick heartless brutes
AlexAmerling19 2 years ago 7
What they did to the disabled is the equivilant of killing kittens.
KOHF34 2 years ago 3
Meryl Streep is the international defination for great acting!
MandyLoren 2 years ago 25
@MandyLoren and she's hot
ihussain81 7 months ago
germans need to believe hitlers ideas.. they need to trust in something.. after ww1 they felt as none.. and suddently a man talks about them being the pure race.. obviously they neede to believe that, but i am not too sure they were completely suppoting those ideas..
completely selfish and mean
but circunstances lead to this events :S
Mariiianiita 3 years ago 7
the same thing goes for all religion in general, it is used to twist and manifest peoples morlity using religion, in a way the worst thing to be created from this earth is the notion of god
wken666wkd 2 years ago
obviously you all learned nothing from this whole sordid chapter in history
icantfindanamethis 3 years ago 3
Why Was The World Such An Unhappy Place To Live ?
Why Did The Nazis Hurt Every Single Person Living ?
How Could They Just Walk Up To A Teenager In The Street And Rape Them What Sick Minds :(
Why Would You Just Kill A Disabled Person Because Of Who They Are ?
Why Couldnt They See That Its Not There Fault Being Born As They Were , Its Not Like They Wanted To Be Like That.
God I Felt Sorry For The People Who Had To Live Those Days :(
KatieDerry 3 years ago 4
THis happened for a number of reasons. Ignorance, poverty, fear...just some of them. It is still happening today, Katie, it has never stopped.
ngfxoxo 3 years ago 2
I Know Its Horrible :(
KatieDerry 3 years ago
@KatieDerry Ir's horrible that she had to die in this manner but, at least she didn't get pregnant by the rapists. Anyway they were wrong for raping her and, had she wanted to leave when running away from hom she would have been alive like her brother andy.
hblollypopstar 1 year ago
@hblollypopstar Uhh i just dont like it =\
KatieDerry 1 year ago
sick bastards
brianslc916 3 years ago 3
In those days the disabled were viewed as useless and in the way. The nazis eventually did away with them.
mainestategop 3 years ago
Why did they do that. Why do they just kill them without trying to help them. That is unforgivable.
PeachyBumEmi 3 years ago 5
They didn't care. They hated everyone but themselves
Kinkajogu 3 years ago 4
i wonder if they ever found out the truth
arext21 3 years ago 2
Some families did. In some cases, the letter sent by the institution would give a fictitious cause of death that the family knew was impossible, such as appendicitis when the person already had their appendix out. Or cremated remains would be returned to the family, and since the victims were cremated en masse, the wrong remains would be sent (a bobby pin in the ashes when they were supposedly a man's remains.)
lesorciercalifornien 2 years ago
that's horrible!!
Shniki2000 3 years ago
Many people must remember that the Holocaust did not only affect the Jews. There were many others too. We must remember everyone adversely affected. Homosexuals, Mentally retarded, and political prisoners. and anyone else.
krelbar 3 years ago 6
Poles, Roma, Slavs, etc etc
AlliWalker 3 years ago 2
Many disabled people both jewish and non jewish died at Hadamar and other mental institutions in Germany during the war. They called it "life unworthy of life". It was absolutely terrible.
angelamwatts 3 years ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
but its true they cant contribute to society
andrea200830 3 years ago
So they should die? I have a brother who has schizophrenia and a sister with multiple handicaps. You think they should be killed because of this? That's a terrible thing to say and think, I pity you.
MartindeMan 3 years ago 33
@MartindeMan correct. They SHOULDN'T die. Only THEY should be able to make that choice.
AdmiralofU2 11 months ago
@MartindeMan
I agree w/you. This was called "euthanasia" in Nazi-Germany, and a form of it, was called "eugenics" in America and shockingly enough, was practiced RIGHT HERE on our soil against fellow citizens.
While not killed, many people (mostly Native and Black women alongside mentally retarded women), were sterilized against their & their families' will. In fact, I read that Hitler was actually "inspired" by the activities happening in America and based some of his sick theories off of it.
RETROGEMS 7 months ago
@RETROGEMS That is sad, and as a point of fact it is true.
DandDskeeto 7 months ago
@MartindeMan so true
ihussain81 7 months ago