They think with time a non-living thing can start to live, a non aware being can start to aware,Information (like DNA) can be formed without intellegence,
social behaviour and techniques of animals and insects are in the genes ! and the best is this stuff : /watch?v=dOyc98tV5kA did evolve wings ! and the ability to fly !
throug random mutations and naturel selection, needless to speak about the evolution of plantes ...
Thunderf00t is the rational one. I suspect he's very well read and intelligent. Ray Comfort on the other hand is totally unconvincing and dare I say...insane. To believe you have a relationship with an entity which doesnt materially exist constitutes pathological behaviour. Just because people call it religion doesnt make it right, true or healthy.
I have loved every Thunderfoot video that I have watched but this is torture. Ray just isn't up to the task of having a discussion with ANY intelligent person never mind with a genius like TF.
I could make a huge list of answers/arguments for what Ray says but I feel so drained after watching this.
It's straightforward to offer a reply to the writing in the sand tosh; ask them would a dog know a human wrote it. Sadly religion is unique to our species...
Next time it comes up, don't concede DNA is information/code/language. DNA is not a language, it's a molecule which nature has selected for the arrangement which produces the best compounds through complimentary affinitive binding that benefit the host cell. DNA's slight margin of error during self-replication ensures life is always changing
@Chrisrammy1 yeah, like what is your proof for evolution? My little mind wants to be convinced that pigs are evolving into dogs. Show me one shred of proof that evolution is the way to go and believe in.
Thunderfoot, I think you were laying it on too thick and getting side tracked, Ray Comfort needs some primary/secondary school education. You would have been more successful avoiding big words and taught him as if he was 7. These types of people need educating in the basics first.
@Chrisrammy1 Ray Comfort is a joke, he regurgitates the same arguments that all the other apologetics use. He has no deep scientific knowledge and uses circular logic to win arguments.
Wow..what an utterly futile exchange on every level. How can one possibly explain and discuss science with someone who's every single answer to any question is "god did it"? Crispy fucking christ.
Like what alot of people are saying, why is thunderfoot acting like he's open to Jesus? He does a great job exposing these assholes in his short vids, but here he seems to be abit sedated. It could be the case, that he's not the type of guy who likes a face to face confrontation.
Ray is a professional bullshit talker , its used to talk in front of the cameras and in front of people , like all the other cristians , they are professional Smoke sellers , Thunderfoot its a regular guy ,its get very nervous.
Why is thunderfoot seeming to hold back... there are so many things that ray says that are easily smacked down but tunderfoot doesn't go there. Somehow, ray controls the discussion and appears to leave thunderfoot with no reponse, it's frustrating to watch.
atheist: "Man you sound really stupid stupid.." - theist: "But I want to be stupid! Stupid love us all and is all around making everything really stupid!"
Anyone that has owned a dog knows that dogs know right from wrong, that is why they succeed as a pack animal. If my dog does something wrong, he looks immediately guilty and I can tell before I even see what he did. The argument that only humans know right from wrong is absurd as is pretty much everything that comes out of his mouth.
How can you rationalise a moral conscience as a survival tool developed over millions of years? How does a dog's sense of moral right and wrong help it survive in the wild, as opposed to impairing it?
@HektorAnasthainomai Social animals have to adhere to a code of accepted conduct which is best for the group. Actions counter to this established code are punished. It is not any different IMO from the more developed codes that humans have (which you refer to as morals). Even in the bible, morals have evolved over time. It was acceptable for instance, to sacrifice innocent animals to cleanse sins. If you did that today, you would be arrested for animal cruelty.
That's not a great example. The reason that the Scripture's moral teachings changed slightly in the AD from the BC is due, quite simply, to the fact that the morals must suit the time we live in. Once the human population surpasses a certain point, and attains a certain level of complexity, no righteous God would have us bound to the same rules intended for cavemen and other primitives. Morals did evolve, but only in co-ordination with the "evolution" of mankind.
@HektorAnasthainomai Quite easily in fact: strength in numbers. By working together as a pack, dogs increase their survival chances. They have no qualms about killing prey, nor do have qualms about killing each other if necessary (self defense, territorial disputes, etc.), but by keeping the pack on the same page, the pack increases its survival chances by being able to kill bigger prey (wolves killing moose, etc).
There's much more to it, but that's an easy explanation.
@ultim4t32 Lol the dog knows its wrong after you teach him it is. If you never disciplined your dog after getting into the trash or toilet bowl he would do it with no moral repercussions. If your dog bites people and was never disciplined for it than he would do it with no moral repercussions. So don't even try to assert that a dog knows right from wrong.
@TankinDEEZ societys surely the same? admitatedly without law we wouldnt rape and kill, as being social beings evolution has given us basic ethical codes of conduct, but we do not commit small immoral acts such as petty thievery as they would have reperucussions in the form of incarceration and lack of future job opputunity. I persnally, like millions accross the globe illegaly stream films, an act of thievery simply because i know im not going to get caught.
@markeybizz Why wouldn't we rape and kill without law? It wouldn't even be rape without of the law; It would just be reproducing to continue our species. So by evolutionary standards rape is a good thing. Adultery falls under the same explanation. My question is why are those things wrong?? Secondly, we do kill... we kills thousands of babies every year in the form of abortions. 100 years from now if society see it as wrong they will think of america as the worst society in history.
@TankinDEEZ haha rape is not a good thing? Hitchens " any society, tribe or culture which did not condone rape or murder has died out", being social creatures we wish to pursure our own liberty, thus we do not infringe on anothers liberty (rape and murder) as we would not want it done to our persons, evolution dictates rape and murder do not ensure the survival of a species, especially social animals such as ourselves
@TankinDEEZ haha rape is not a good thing? Hitchens " any society, tribe or culture which did not condone rape or murder has died out", being social creatures we wish to pursure our own liberty, thus we do not infringe on anothers liberty (rape and murder) as we would not want it done to our persons, evolution dictates rape and murder do not ensure the survival of a species, especially social animals such as ourselves
@TankinDEEZ cont. Rape and murder were prohibited in most societys before the ten commandments, if they hadnt we wouldnt have been living in social proximity or trading freely as much as global society did, they are, therefre, two ( i wouldnt put it absolute morals) but certainly necessary moral's to ensure the survival of the species.
God created rainbows. I know because it says it in the scripture. OK this is why it is pointless to debate creationists. Every time they hit a roadblock in their "logic", they revert to...oh god did it.
03:57 ray completely contradicts his biggest disagreement with the big bang theory and seems to think that it IS POSSIBLE for something to come from nothing although the big bang theory doesn't state whether or not there was anything before it
@psalmsurfer1 yes, maybe so, but I believe that there are a lot of people who are writing divinely inspired works in the present day. Who decides what is or is not a divinely inspired work? The bible is just one of a great number such books. I think it is limiting to suggest that only one book should be considered the only spiritual teaching we should ever follow
@getsomemates69 by all means..you speak truth when you say that..bill w and dr. bob for example wrote the big book of AA in a weekend or something ridiculous- a book that is based on biblical principles..almost every Christian writer is divinely inspired..Dante was divine inspiration..ever read purgatorio, paradiso, or inferno? Ever read dark night of the soul by Saint John of the Cross? Those books make no sense apart from having some form of God-given discernment.
Ray is like a child and Thunderfoot is the grown up telling the child how Santa does not put presents under the tree and Ray the child insists he 'knows' Santa is real.
I just had an epiphany. Ray jumps from subject to subject. He starts by asking one question, and half way through thunderf00ts explanation, jumps to a different question.
I like this conversation much more than the one with the WBC you had. At least Ray Comfort is willing to have an actual conversation. And at least he's able to have a logical conversation, although he is clearly misled. The WBC just cut you off mid-sentence and called you a rebel. I respect Ray for that.
"You can't make an absolute statement like that!" Only I can 'cause god says so! Gotta love it. His only argument is that god said it. but who heard it? The grapevine is discredited in primary school, so why is it somehow liturgis in religion?
Ray comfort seems like a nice man, but he needs a lesson if not in science, but Philosophy 101 if he wants to have an educated discussion. Given that his conviction is absolute, it doesn't matter whether or not he has more/less knowledge a debate is impossible.
His slow response or stammer is not an indication of a lack of intelligence but rather he is taking his time to be clear as to not allow meanings to be taking wrongly or allowed to be twisted to suit the opposition. Taking time to articulate properly is not an indication of lack of intelligence but a sensible move. Ray seems to think the use of logical fallacies is perfectly fine. I do not understand why he has had so much publicity with atheists when he does not understand anything hes told.
@chrismac1980 He would hold his own, this issue is TF is processing questions at a set pace and Comforts jumping questions and flapping around with logical falacies and not actively rationalising the questions put to him.
come on you athiests don't be bias, adimit it. Thunderfoot is getteng no where in this interview, i mean this guy doesn't know what he is talking about.
@Theboxer500 He's getting nowhere, because Ray can't be reasoned with. He keeps on talking about something coming from nothing, when no one ever said that. He thinks that either everything is created by god, or they come from nothing, when neither is true. Though he never says where god comes from then.
@Theboxer500 Yeah...you're right. Ray Comfort has no idea what's going on, and we shouldn't be mean-spirited and revel in that. It's like laughing at a five-year old because he can't do integral calculus.
@templar19 But the difference is, some people are actually listening to this guy and find reason in his "logics" and he's also pretty cocky and think he knows it all, I think it's a crime not to make fool out of him.
@tommyXBOX360 I was actually being a bit sarcastic in my comment...I think Ray Comfort got better than he deserved in this discussion. I too wouldn't have been disappointed by an intellectual lynching (although in Ray Comfort's case that may be more akin to euthanasia).
@templar19 Your mistaking Ray having no idea what's going on, with him spending time listening to thunder foots dribble and incoherent crud coming from his mouth as he dodges giving real answers as skilfully as a politician does.
Really? I mean, Comfort is asking questions that beg terrible arguments (Watchmaker analogy, argument from scripture, and cosmological argument). These are arguments that even devout Christians (who are thoughtful) recognize as bad! There are a few Christians who do a reasonable job at defending their positions, but they even concede that those are bad arguments... and it all comes down to faith. (Faith is an active rejection of evidence and reason to pursue a belief).
Sounds like ray is getting a Free Education from thunderfoot,,the Contrast between the two is light years,,it seems like rays thinking is like that of a stuborn child who wont xcept he has been beat,,he clings to his theology as if he locked up while 800 feet into a free climb..Does he actually believe what he claims?? or is he doing this to keep religion alive?? that is what piss's me off the most about preacher's..karl
.... Comfert is unsolvable. He just doesn't understand the semiotics of reasoning, proof, scientific approach. "Man is a moral being, etc etc" With such presumptions...!!! Nothing! can get through...
Look at the way vfx still clings to his nonsense despite being intellectually bitch-slapped repeatedly in Glorious Technicolor, having his drivel blown out of the water time and again. He'll likely never relinquish his catechism of gibberish.
Anyone agreing with Ray Comfort are either stupid or in total denial. That's unfortunatly the fact of the matter. Get it in to your heads that the notion of a god creating everything and put mankind at the peak of evolution is a selfcentered, near sighted and conceited copout for not using ones brain to examining the facts. I really would hope that the bible was true, so the rest of us had the rapture to hope for so at least we didn't have to deal with creationists stupidity.
Rays is making perfect sense, Thunderfoot isn't! Atheists have no clue about how we got here and we are expected as thinking people to believe them! Crazy! God created period!
@devonbiker You said "Atheists have no clue about how we got here and we are expected as thinking people to believe them!" Why is it unbelievable that we admit that we don't know? That is honest, isn't it? We haven't seen a shred of evidence for the existence of a god, and yet you're the one that made a conclusive statement that "God created."
You would think that by now science would have discovered close micing...also, as a side note and more seriously, Ray Comfort is very obviously an abuser.
@Echtnet@Echtnet "..He is getting owned and doenst even realise.." No he doesn't nor will he ever. Religious "belief" (in reality religious fantasy) is embedded in his psychology to the point of it being a disorder. His mind has been rendered incapable of grasping the idiocy of what he says. No matter what evidence he's presented with his mind will always defend the nonsensical. He's a victim of mind-cancer who now attempts to victimize others.
take the cedar-wood and the hyssop and the red thread and the living bird and put them in the blood of the dead bird and in the flowing water, shaking it over the house seven times. another test is for adultery if her stomach swells up she is guilty this is in numbers 15:11_31 if your interested
logical? just? loving? dont just listen to the church reads you read the bible yourself and pray for truth.
This is like a profesor,explaing science and how the world really is, to a 8yr old boy who's afraid of the dark, no matter how rational Thunderf00t is the little boy has covinced himself there are monsters under his bed,even nice monsters.
even if evolutionists are wrong and there was in fact a creator, that doesnt mean theres a magical man in the sky who talks to everyone at the same time . that Ray Cumfart thinks his shit dont stink , and hes a know it all douchebag! the main reason i cant stand religious people is that they are highly judgemental, and they actually believe that if you dont believe in god , that you are evil. and also religion causes wars !
@yourallbrainwashed I should correct you, the Christian faith is the only faith that states that ALL humans are fallen, there is a rift between mankind and God. This was corrected when Jesus came to the earth and gave His life on our behalf, so that we get the choice that we otherwise would not have. You will also meet many christians who are not judgmental and you accepts you for what you are and what you believe. We are always open for a discussion. :)
@acjub: I don't care about a timeline but as I said if the universe was a mass that mass had to be sitting, floating, in something to be expanding after the bang.
My problem with the Big Bang is you can't get something from nothing! What caused the so-called big bang, and what space did it occupy once it blew up and started expanding!
@NITTY103166 actually, it isnt impossible. However our brains cannot get around it. for us there has to be something, and there has to be a time line.
its really all just semantics. The point is unknown is a good thing its what we do with that realization that does matter. Science will in time unlock that answer and it could go either way. I believe an open and honest discussion like this is needed.
I can't believe Comfort keeps harping that Thunderf00t "can't know" certain things and must quantify his statements with "I believe" and then in the same breath say he knows things for an absolute certainty because they're in Scripture. Show a baby a painting and I'm sure he couldn't deduce that there was a painter without previous knowledge that paintings exist.
@acceptaname yip. i take it you confess to be wise God said He's chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. the pokemon story is what you believe with evolution so you already do bud. lol. Trust in Christ
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Ugh. This is exactly what Thunderfoot described in one of his videos: It's like a brilliant scientist arguing with a little kid. They are having two different discussions.. COMPLETELY.
@SugaNutt He was probably so aghast at Ray Comfort's wanton stupidity he could barely speak. His points are intelligent, fair, and far more believable than anything Ray Comfort might say. Try speaking to an idiot who flits from one absurd claim to progressively more outrageous ones and see if you can circumvent your disbelief long enough to make what should be a perfectly obvious point comprehensive to such a person.
i cant believe thunderf00t sat there the whole time and listened to that guy never answering his questions this guy has no idea what hes talking about and just ignores the things thunderf00t says but i can understand why hes confused remember this is the guy who tried to say god is real because a banana fits the human hand
@websiteusername How does that disprove God? God by definition would have to be the only "uncaused cause" that created everything. For anything to be here at all there would have to be an uncaused cause.
@websiteusername For something to be the best explanation of the existence of the Universe you do have to explain it. This means you do not have to explain the EXPLANATION.
@infamous681 Ah. I think you're missing a 'not' in your first statement. And you're right...but I think the next question is "why is God a more plausible cause of the universe than the Big Bang?"
@infamous681 "God BEYOND space and time created the universe" seems LESS plausible than saying "An event BEFORE space and time as we know them created the universe". Two reasons are that, first, although the Big Bang is mysterious, it isn't something supernatural. Second, the Big Bang is something we can in principle learn about and come to understand better...with God, there will always necessarily be something unknowable. The Big Bang seems more explanatorily efficient.
@infamous681 Exactly what are you infamous for ? Being stupid! I'm tired of you people attacking those who don't believe like you do ! Practice your fairytale religion but keep it out our government and public schools! I'm tired of you getting in my face with it !
@infamous681 Why is it everytime somebody disagrees with you christains you cry persecution? If you would just keep your believes to yourselved there would be no problem.Here in America christain think they have to right to run everthing!
ThanWhat do you mean by the universe could have occurred through a “natural event?” Can you give me a ‘for instance’? From "what" did it “naturally” occur? Again, it looks like you are relying on the magical “nothing” produces “something” myth. Finally, can you give me ANY example of a non-living materials producing living materials? Or even humans creating life from inanimate materials? ONLY the living produces/creates living.
@shortjma that natural event that caused the universe is an unknown.For all we know the universe was in such a way that things poped out of no where when it was nowhere. But as it aged the laws oh physics came into play etc. As far as i know no one tries really tries to say they know where the things like the big bang and sigluratiy were caused by
Thanks for the response. Either the universe 1. Always existed 2. Created itself or 3. Was created by something/someone outside of itself. You have to rule out #1 based on galactic motion, 2nd law of thermodynamics and radiation echo. All point to a start. Even Stephen Hawking agrees the universe had a beginning. Per my previous argument, #2 is not possible as “nothing” can not create “something.” (...continued)
I'm sure I've made this point before, but why did they spend all their money on a fancy blue back screen and then angle the camrea so that it only covers half the backdrop? They should have spent it on a decent microphone. I suspect there is a better version of this video somewhere, with a professional microphone and a camera that is direct on the blue backdrop.
There has to be, for the sake of all things logical.
Thunderf00t's very intelligent and well spoken, but his statement at the end is not really true:
"The mere fact that we have language shows that we are a trustworthy species."
He only says that because he assumes language was gradually evolved. But the foremost linguists (Chomsky being one of them) state that language is innate, rather than evolved through the usual mechanisms. So the fact that we have language really doesn't say anything about how we choose (or have chosen) to use it.
Are there any intellectually honest atheist? If you truly followed the laws of science, you would know:
1. Nothing can not create something (Law of Conservation). It is physically, philosophically and scientifically impossible.
2. The universe is expanding. Evidence it had a beginning. Since "nothing can not create the universe," it had to have been “created” by “something.” 3. That “something” had to be living.Science has never observed a "non-living matter's creation of a living matter."
1. Atheistic theories don't break the laws of conservation.
2. Yes, it's apparently expanding, Yes It theoretically could have had a beginning - What makes you think it was a creator? -thunderf00ts already been through the whole 'i came across a thing in a desert' scenario.
3. Why do you think it would have to be living, it could have been a natural occurring event.
4. No we haven't and because of point 3, nothing has had to break the laws of point 1 either.
Oops. I posted under shortjma by accident. Here is my reply.
Thanks for the response. Either the universe 1. Always existed 2. Created itself or 3. Was created by something/someone outside of itself. You have to rule out #1 based on galactic motion, 2nd law of thermodynamics and radiation echo. All point to a start. Even Stephen Hawking agrees the universe had a beginning. Per my previous argument, #2 is not possible as “nothing” can not create “something” ...continued
What do you mean by the universe could have occurred through a “natural event?” Can you give me a ‘for instance’? From "what" did it “naturally” occur? Again, it looks like you are relying on the magical “nothing” produces “something” myth. Finally, can you give me ANY example of a non-living materials producing living materials? Or even humans creating life from inanimate materials? ONLY the living produces/creates living.
@kswarner14 There is no evidence in favour of it being created by something that is alive, nor is there evidance of it creating itself, in science we call this an unknown, maybe one day we can figure it out.
I know you're not going to be swayed by any number of arguments I throw at you, so I'm probably better off leaving those for forums, 'cos youtubes word limit doesn't work for this kind of thing.
The theory atm is the singularity event. - natural
Yeah, it's prob a good thing you tube limits word count or we would all post dissertations. I could not locate much info on theory atm but as I understand, the natural event still does not explain the origin of the mats causing the event. Why is this point ignored? 1. As NO examples of “non-living producing living” nor of “nothing producing something” exists, logic, probability and experience all support that only “living produces living” and only “something produces something.”
@MrTaigyou 2. If scientists claim things are “unknowable” then logically that means there is at least a “possibility” that God created the universe. As you said, we won’t convince each other but my question is this (it’s personal so you don’t have to respond):
@MrTaigyou ): IF it came about that science and logic conclusively gave satisfactory evidence for you that God did create the universe, you, me, etc.; what would you do with that knowledge? Would you ignore it or would you seek to know more of Truth of God even if you didn’t like it? I have enjoyed our interaction and am grateful we live in a nation where we can disagree. Blessings upon you and your family.
@kswarner14 Cheers dude, but I don't need a blessing.
I didn't say "Unknowable". Do - not - put - words - in - my - mouth.
I said "an unknown", the difference being that we are still yet to find an answer, it's something we are working towards, instead of assuming one of the infinite possibilities with no proof.
Asking for proof on 'what created the singularity' is the same as asking 'w/ created god?'. -Scientists are @ work-
If God was proved, sure I would go with it. This requires evidence :(
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They think with time a non-living thing can start to live, a non aware being can start to aware,Information (like DNA) can be formed without intellegence,
social behaviour and techniques of animals and insects are in the genes ! and the best is this stuff : /watch?v=dOyc98tV5kA did evolve wings ! and the ability to fly !
throug random mutations and naturel selection, needless to speak about the evolution of plantes ...
YamiYami17 2 days ago
thunderfoot is crazy smart!
JonnoXD 2 days ago
8:56 "My mind boggles" No kidding Ray... no kidding.
koolanator 3 days ago
The fact that anyone can sit in a room with Ray for longer than 10 minutes is amazing... This conversation is utterly one sided intellectually.
I applaud you on your patience Thunderfoot.
koolanator 3 days ago
wow that dude is pissing me off...seriously. people need to learn how science works and get off their brainwashed asses and get into reality
rs2questmaster 4 days ago
Two ships sailing past in the night....
Thunderf00t is the rational one. I suspect he's very well read and intelligent. Ray Comfort on the other hand is totally unconvincing and dare I say...insane. To believe you have a relationship with an entity which doesnt materially exist constitutes pathological behaviour. Just because people call it religion doesnt make it right, true or healthy.
DIGITALSCREAMS 5 days ago
I have loved every Thunderfoot video that I have watched but this is torture. Ray just isn't up to the task of having a discussion with ANY intelligent person never mind with a genius like TF.
I could make a huge list of answers/arguments for what Ray says but I feel so drained after watching this.
MrSelidor7 1 week ago
It's straightforward to offer a reply to the writing in the sand tosh; ask them would a dog know a human wrote it. Sadly religion is unique to our species...
TheSulphyr 1 week ago
Next time it comes up, don't concede DNA is information/code/language. DNA is not a language, it's a molecule which nature has selected for the arrangement which produces the best compounds through complimentary affinitive binding that benefit the host cell. DNA's slight margin of error during self-replication ensures life is always changing
confettibrains 3 weeks ago
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@jrajput or maybe he doesn't have any good answers.
tnmusicman1 1 month ago
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@Chrisrammy1 yeah, like what is your proof for evolution? My little mind wants to be convinced that pigs are evolving into dogs. Show me one shred of proof that evolution is the way to go and believe in.
tnmusicman1 1 month ago
Thunderfoot, I think you were laying it on too thick and getting side tracked, Ray Comfort needs some primary/secondary school education. You would have been more successful avoiding big words and taught him as if he was 7. These types of people need educating in the basics first.
Chrisrammy1 1 month ago
@Chrisrammy1 Ray Comfort is a joke, he regurgitates the same arguments that all the other apologetics use. He has no deep scientific knowledge and uses circular logic to win arguments.
SuperBspb 4 weeks ago
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templar19 4 weeks ago
@SuperBspb He also claims to win arguments he loses every time!
Lennon4ever1 3 weeks ago
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Wow..what an utterly futile exchange on every level. How can one possibly explain and discuss science with someone who's every single answer to any question is "god did it"? Crispy fucking christ.
gigisdad 1 month ago
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gigisdad 1 month ago
Thunderfoot looks like he's gonna hurt himself haha
endorjulius 1 month ago
Like what alot of people are saying, why is thunderfoot acting like he's open to Jesus? He does a great job exposing these assholes in his short vids, but here he seems to be abit sedated. It could be the case, that he's not the type of guy who likes a face to face confrontation.
jrajput 1 month ago
Ray is a professional bullshit talker , its used to talk in front of the cameras and in front of people , like all the other cristians , they are professional Smoke sellers , Thunderfoot its a regular guy ,its get very nervous.
EdyMar77 1 month ago in playlist Thunderf00t w Ray Comfort
this is painful
paulsn 1 month ago
Why is thunderfoot seeming to hold back... there are so many things that ray says that are easily smacked down but tunderfoot doesn't go there. Somehow, ray controls the discussion and appears to leave thunderfoot with no reponse, it's frustrating to watch.
AtheistsOfGP 1 month ago
atheist: "Man you sound really stupid stupid.." - theist: "But I want to be stupid! Stupid love us all and is all around making everything really stupid!"
Its kind of like arguing with a mutant 5 year old
Norwayflex89 1 month ago 3
does anyone else notice that ray sips is water like a faggot.?
AlexRaveloTV 1 month ago
"So if you see a painting do you know that a painter did it?"
Ten minutes later:
"I don't think there's any comparison between a painter making a painting and God creating the universe."
lolwut?
HektorAnasthainomai 1 month ago
Argh! My head hurts like hell...
ylleba 2 months ago
Anyone that has owned a dog knows that dogs know right from wrong, that is why they succeed as a pack animal. If my dog does something wrong, he looks immediately guilty and I can tell before I even see what he did. The argument that only humans know right from wrong is absurd as is pretty much everything that comes out of his mouth.
ultim4t32 2 months ago 6
@ultim4t32
How can you rationalise a moral conscience as a survival tool developed over millions of years? How does a dog's sense of moral right and wrong help it survive in the wild, as opposed to impairing it?
HektorAnasthainomai 1 month ago
@HektorAnasthainomai Social animals have to adhere to a code of accepted conduct which is best for the group. Actions counter to this established code are punished. It is not any different IMO from the more developed codes that humans have (which you refer to as morals). Even in the bible, morals have evolved over time. It was acceptable for instance, to sacrifice innocent animals to cleanse sins. If you did that today, you would be arrested for animal cruelty.
ultim4t32 1 month ago
@ultim4t32
That's not a great example. The reason that the Scripture's moral teachings changed slightly in the AD from the BC is due, quite simply, to the fact that the morals must suit the time we live in. Once the human population surpasses a certain point, and attains a certain level of complexity, no righteous God would have us bound to the same rules intended for cavemen and other primitives. Morals did evolve, but only in co-ordination with the "evolution" of mankind.
HektorAnasthainomai 1 month ago
@HektorAnasthainomai Quite easily in fact: strength in numbers. By working together as a pack, dogs increase their survival chances. They have no qualms about killing prey, nor do have qualms about killing each other if necessary (self defense, territorial disputes, etc.), but by keeping the pack on the same page, the pack increases its survival chances by being able to kill bigger prey (wolves killing moose, etc).
There's much more to it, but that's an easy explanation.
SPARTANN09 1 month ago
@ultim4t32 Lol the dog knows its wrong after you teach him it is. If you never disciplined your dog after getting into the trash or toilet bowl he would do it with no moral repercussions. If your dog bites people and was never disciplined for it than he would do it with no moral repercussions. So don't even try to assert that a dog knows right from wrong.
TankinDEEZ 1 month ago
@TankinDEEZ societys surely the same? admitatedly without law we wouldnt rape and kill, as being social beings evolution has given us basic ethical codes of conduct, but we do not commit small immoral acts such as petty thievery as they would have reperucussions in the form of incarceration and lack of future job opputunity. I persnally, like millions accross the globe illegaly stream films, an act of thievery simply because i know im not going to get caught.
markeybizz 1 month ago
@markeybizz Why wouldn't we rape and kill without law? It wouldn't even be rape without of the law; It would just be reproducing to continue our species. So by evolutionary standards rape is a good thing. Adultery falls under the same explanation. My question is why are those things wrong?? Secondly, we do kill... we kills thousands of babies every year in the form of abortions. 100 years from now if society see it as wrong they will think of america as the worst society in history.
TankinDEEZ 1 month ago
@TankinDEEZ haha rape is not a good thing? Hitchens " any society, tribe or culture which did not condone rape or murder has died out", being social creatures we wish to pursure our own liberty, thus we do not infringe on anothers liberty (rape and murder) as we would not want it done to our persons, evolution dictates rape and murder do not ensure the survival of a species, especially social animals such as ourselves
markeybizz 1 month ago
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@TankinDEEZ haha rape is not a good thing? Hitchens " any society, tribe or culture which did not condone rape or murder has died out", being social creatures we wish to pursure our own liberty, thus we do not infringe on anothers liberty (rape and murder) as we would not want it done to our persons, evolution dictates rape and murder do not ensure the survival of a species, especially social animals such as ourselves
markeybizz 1 month ago
@TankinDEEZ cont. Rape and murder were prohibited in most societys before the ten commandments, if they hadnt we wouldnt have been living in social proximity or trading freely as much as global society did, they are, therefre, two ( i wouldnt put it absolute morals) but certainly necessary moral's to ensure the survival of the species.
markeybizz 1 month ago
Wow thunderfoot has some patience.
Pirate44444 2 months ago
God created rainbows. I know because it says it in the scripture. OK this is why it is pointless to debate creationists. Every time they hit a roadblock in their "logic", they revert to...oh god did it.
dnanalahcnap 2 months ago
03:57 ray completely contradicts his biggest disagreement with the big bang theory and seems to think that it IS POSSIBLE for something to come from nothing although the big bang theory doesn't state whether or not there was anything before it
eternalcrumpet 2 months ago
I have read none of these books. But I will now haha peace man.
getsomemates69 2 months ago
fucking scripture my ass. So if I write a book saying God doesn't exist, that makes it true? the Bible, like every other book, was written by PEOPLE.
getsomemates69 2 months ago
@getsomemates69 inspired by divine revelation....
psalmsurfer1 2 months ago
@psalmsurfer1 yes, maybe so, but I believe that there are a lot of people who are writing divinely inspired works in the present day. Who decides what is or is not a divinely inspired work? The bible is just one of a great number such books. I think it is limiting to suggest that only one book should be considered the only spiritual teaching we should ever follow
getsomemates69 2 months ago
@getsomemates69 by all means..you speak truth when you say that..bill w and dr. bob for example wrote the big book of AA in a weekend or something ridiculous- a book that is based on biblical principles..almost every Christian writer is divinely inspired..Dante was divine inspiration..ever read purgatorio, paradiso, or inferno? Ever read dark night of the soul by Saint John of the Cross? Those books make no sense apart from having some form of God-given discernment.
psalmsurfer1 2 months ago
Ray is like a child and Thunderfoot is the grown up telling the child how Santa does not put presents under the tree and Ray the child insists he 'knows' Santa is real.
freethinkerer 2 months ago
I just had an epiphany. Ray jumps from subject to subject. He starts by asking one question, and half way through thunderf00ts explanation, jumps to a different question.
red666111 2 months ago
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jOviTooL214 2 months ago
Ray Comfort's sheer stupidity forced me to stop watching this.
hnsolo77 2 months ago
Both dumb jews.
DollabiIIz2 2 months ago
Will someone turn off the fucking leaf blower in the background, please?
SultanRoyal 2 months ago
what question does thunderfoot ask at 2:51?
anyone?
please i'm very interested. i can't understand him because of all the ridiculous feedback. thanks!
aylictal 2 months ago in playlist Thunderf00t w Ray Comfort
@aylictal
"Can rainbows happen just by themselves?" Or "do rainbows happen just by themselves"?
gamerunknown 2 months ago
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I like this conversation much more than the one with the WBC you had. At least Ray Comfort is willing to have an actual conversation. And at least he's able to have a logical conversation, although he is clearly misled. The WBC just cut you off mid-sentence and called you a rebel. I respect Ray for that.
TheKGamer08 2 months ago
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TheKGamer08 2 months ago
How the hell is Ray Comfort so narrow-minded!??
FOR THE LOVE OF SCIENCE!
gravitoid 2 months ago
the verse you quoted is referring to Creationists and the foolish things they believe.
RomanHistoryNut 3 months ago
"You can't make an absolute statement like that!" Only I can 'cause god says so! Gotta love it. His only argument is that god said it. but who heard it? The grapevine is discredited in primary school, so why is it somehow liturgis in religion?
skweakykitty 3 months ago
Ray comfort seems like a nice man, but he needs a lesson if not in science, but Philosophy 101 if he wants to have an educated discussion. Given that his conviction is absolute, it doesn't matter whether or not he has more/less knowledge a debate is impossible.
test123ok 3 months ago
"Life is builds on knowledge of the past" = Evolution
alexwf21 3 months ago
His slow response or stammer is not an indication of a lack of intelligence but rather he is taking his time to be clear as to not allow meanings to be taking wrongly or allowed to be twisted to suit the opposition. Taking time to articulate properly is not an indication of lack of intelligence but a sensible move. Ray seems to think the use of logical fallacies is perfectly fine. I do not understand why he has had so much publicity with atheists when he does not understand anything hes told.
jasmac04 3 months ago
Thunderfoot is having problems with ray comfort, imagine him "discussing" with William lane Craig!
chrismac1980 3 months ago
@chrismac1980 He would hold his own, this issue is TF is processing questions at a set pace and Comforts jumping questions and flapping around with logical falacies and not actively rationalising the questions put to him.
DARTHMOBIUS 3 months ago
Ray you're so ignorant. There is no way you can know that a painting came from a painter unless you have experienced observation.
MrHollywood1717 3 months ago
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ApatheticOmniscience 3 months ago
Allegedly Alister Crowleys last word were "i am perplexed"..And so shall those who dont not have the love and light of god within them.
"And this is life,them taking in knowldege of you,the one and only true god"
FlashmoreGash 3 months ago
Might be too complex for you Theboxer500
kraqore79 3 months ago
come on you athiests don't be bias, adimit it. Thunderfoot is getteng no where in this interview, i mean this guy doesn't know what he is talking about.
Theboxer500 3 months ago
@Theboxer500 He's getting nowhere, because Ray can't be reasoned with. He keeps on talking about something coming from nothing, when no one ever said that. He thinks that either everything is created by god, or they come from nothing, when neither is true. Though he never says where god comes from then.
zeldaofarel 3 months ago in playlist More videos from Thunderf00t
@Theboxer500 Yeah...you're right. Ray Comfort has no idea what's going on, and we shouldn't be mean-spirited and revel in that. It's like laughing at a five-year old because he can't do integral calculus.
templar19 3 months ago 12
@templar19 But the difference is, some people are actually listening to this guy and find reason in his "logics" and he's also pretty cocky and think he knows it all, I think it's a crime not to make fool out of him.
tommyXBOX360 2 months ago
@tommyXBOX360 I was actually being a bit sarcastic in my comment...I think Ray Comfort got better than he deserved in this discussion. I too wouldn't have been disappointed by an intellectual lynching (although in Ray Comfort's case that may be more akin to euthanasia).
templar19 2 months ago
@templar19 Oh okay, well I think thunderf00t went a little easy on him. Instead of that he should have gave him the atheist-experience treatment.
tommyXBOX360 2 months ago
@templar19 Seemingly to you- but a person gifted with insight and highly-functional observational skills can see Comfort is "humoring" TF
psalmsurfer1 2 months ago
@templar19 Your mistaking Ray having no idea what's going on, with him spending time listening to thunder foots dribble and incoherent crud coming from his mouth as he dodges giving real answers as skilfully as a politician does.
Robcartl 4 weeks ago
@Robcartl Well it's obvious SOMEONE has no idea what's going on.
templar19 4 weeks ago
@Robcartl
Really? I mean, Comfort is asking questions that beg terrible arguments (Watchmaker analogy, argument from scripture, and cosmological argument). These are arguments that even devout Christians (who are thoughtful) recognize as bad! There are a few Christians who do a reasonable job at defending their positions, but they even concede that those are bad arguments... and it all comes down to faith. (Faith is an active rejection of evidence and reason to pursue a belief).
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Sounds like ray is getting a Free Education from thunderfoot,,the Contrast between the two is light years,,it seems like rays thinking is like that of a stuborn child who wont xcept he has been beat,,he clings to his theology as if he locked up while 800 feet into a free climb..Does he actually believe what he claims?? or is he doing this to keep religion alive?? that is what piss's me off the most about preacher's..karl
karlbuttler 3 months ago
.... Comfert is unsolvable. He just doesn't understand the semiotics of reasoning, proof, scientific approach. "Man is a moral being, etc etc" With such presumptions...!!! Nothing! can get through...
STICHYZ 3 months ago
this interview went much better than the one with westboro baptist. i give mr comfort credit for allowing tfoot to speak and he actually listens
collinnicholas1 3 months ago
Look at the way vfx still clings to his nonsense despite being intellectually bitch-slapped repeatedly in Glorious Technicolor, having his drivel blown out of the water time and again. He'll likely never relinquish his catechism of gibberish.
WordOfTheLivingLie 3 months ago
Anyone agreing with Ray Comfort are either stupid or in total denial. That's unfortunatly the fact of the matter. Get it in to your heads that the notion of a god creating everything and put mankind at the peak of evolution is a selfcentered, near sighted and conceited copout for not using ones brain to examining the facts. I really would hope that the bible was true, so the rest of us had the rapture to hope for so at least we didn't have to deal with creationists stupidity.
Krappman 3 months ago
Rays is making perfect sense, Thunderfoot isn't! Atheists have no clue about how we got here and we are expected as thinking people to believe them! Crazy! God created period!
devonbiker 3 months ago
@devonbiker Saying "I don't know" is more unbelievable than "A magic guy in the sky made heaven and earth in 6 days?" That's funny.
longtail4711 3 months ago
@longtail4711 So you claim to know all things now? Or is it just plain old fashioned honesty to say I don't know when someone doesn't?
devonbiker 3 months ago
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@devonbiker You said "Atheists have no clue about how we got here and we are expected as thinking people to believe them!" Why is it unbelievable that we admit that we don't know? That is honest, isn't it? We haven't seen a shred of evidence for the existence of a god, and yet you're the one that made a conclusive statement that "God created."
longtail4711 3 months ago
I bummed a cigarette from Ray Comfort in santa monica. He smelled like tequila.
minitzonthesun 3 months ago
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Ray Comfort is the king of circular reasoning. He debates like a child.
88rat88 3 months ago in playlist More videos from Thunderf00t
You would think that by now science would have discovered close micing...also, as a side note and more seriously, Ray Comfort is very obviously an abuser.
lukessummerguitar 3 months ago
omg this is the bottom table when it comes to theist/atheist discourse!
snappez 3 months ago
I had too stop watching because i was embarassed for this ray guy. He is getting owned and doenst even realise
Echtnet 4 months ago
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@Echtnet @Echtnet "..He is getting owned and doenst even realise.." No he doesn't nor will he ever. Religious "belief" (in reality religious fantasy) is embedded in his psychology to the point of it being a disorder. His mind has been rendered incapable of grasping the idiocy of what he says. No matter what evidence he's presented with his mind will always defend the nonsensical. He's a victim of mind-cancer who now attempts to victimize others.
WordOfTheLivingLie 3 months ago
the bible tells you how to heal a lepper
take the cedar-wood and the hyssop and the red thread and the living bird and put them in the blood of the dead bird and in the flowing water, shaking it over the house seven times. another test is for adultery if her stomach swells up she is guilty this is in numbers 15:11_31 if your interested
logical? just? loving? dont just listen to the church reads you read the bible yourself and pray for truth.
happychick1973 4 months ago
@happychick1973
Wait... wait... wait...
"another test is for adultery if her stomach swells up she is guilty"
You mean if she gets pregnant? So Jesus's mother was a slut? Well said.
DaToNyOyO 4 months ago in playlist More videos from Thunderf00t
The hippie made Ray get very unconfy...
rubstrol 4 months ago
attack the bible thunderfoot. you get NOwhere with christians on logic. keep up the good work! i love your videos
digitalblasphemy1100 4 months ago
This is like a profesor,explaing science and how the world really is, to a 8yr old boy who's afraid of the dark, no matter how rational Thunderf00t is the little boy has covinced himself there are monsters under his bed,even nice monsters.
MrMymanalishi 4 months ago
@MrMymanalishi PERFECT EXAMPLE!!!
even if evolutionists are wrong and there was in fact a creator, that doesnt mean theres a magical man in the sky who talks to everyone at the same time . that Ray Cumfart thinks his shit dont stink , and hes a know it all douchebag! the main reason i cant stand religious people is that they are highly judgemental, and they actually believe that if you dont believe in god , that you are evil. and also religion causes wars !
yourallbrainwashed 4 months ago
@yourallbrainwashed Yep Thunderf00t's brain functions on a superior level than Mr cumfart's !! : ) Best wishes.
MrMymanalishi 4 months ago
@yourallbrainwashed I should correct you, the Christian faith is the only faith that states that ALL humans are fallen, there is a rift between mankind and God. This was corrected when Jesus came to the earth and gave His life on our behalf, so that we get the choice that we otherwise would not have. You will also meet many christians who are not judgmental and you accepts you for what you are and what you believe. We are always open for a discussion. :)
Mekelsior 4 months ago in playlist Thunderf00t w Ray Comfort
I liked the point about lying and language very much.
TheUnchainedMind 4 months ago
Debating Ray Comfort = waste of time. I feel my IQ dropping just listening to him.
ShootingCans 4 months ago
such a simple child like way of thinking. oh Ray Comfort, you make me sad
pantload86 4 months ago
@acjub: I don't care about a timeline but as I said if the universe was a mass that mass had to be sitting, floating, in something to be expanding after the bang.
NITTY103166 4 months ago
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@NITTY103166
No it didn't.
voiceoftruth2006 4 months ago
You can tell that the creationist has no plans of listening to what is being said. when something logical is being said, he blocks it out.
acjub 4 months ago
@acjub the concepts are beyond him, he's not blocking them out, he just doesn't comprehend. I bet he doesn't even understand half of the words
alsdaftable 4 months ago
@acjub the concepts are beyond him, he's not blocking them out, he just doesn't comprehend. I bet he doesn't even understand half of the words
alsdaftable 4 months ago
the universe did not come from nothing you dumb fuck named ray comfort
randallfe 4 months ago
the guy in red is far to inteligent for ray
wotters12345 4 months ago
If the universe is ever expanding their must be an outer universe for this universe to expand into!
NITTY103166 4 months ago
My problem with the Big Bang is you can't get something from nothing! What caused the so-called big bang, and what space did it occupy once it blew up and started expanding!
NITTY103166 4 months ago
@NITTY103166 actually, it isnt impossible. However our brains cannot get around it. for us there has to be something, and there has to be a time line.
acjub 4 months ago
I don't think that Ray understands you ...
kwanhui1990 4 months ago
its really all just semantics. The point is unknown is a good thing its what we do with that realization that does matter. Science will in time unlock that answer and it could go either way. I believe an open and honest discussion like this is needed.
Seamn31 4 months ago
I can't believe Comfort keeps harping that Thunderf00t "can't know" certain things and must quantify his statements with "I believe" and then in the same breath say he knows things for an absolute certainty because they're in Scripture. Show a baby a painting and I'm sure he couldn't deduce that there was a painter without previous knowledge that paintings exist.
lmerickson0 5 months ago
I believe that the Pokemon creation story is much more believable than the biblical one.
acceptaname 5 months ago 15
@acceptaname well evolution is the eqivelant of pokemon, since you believe in crap like evolving then peokemon seems very believeable.
Theboxer500 3 months ago
@acceptaname" The blind will lead the blind" In your case,thats 6 thumbs up...
FlashmoreGash 3 months ago
@acceptaname yip. i take it you confess to be wise God said He's chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. the pokemon story is what you believe with evolution so you already do bud. lol. Trust in Christ
mamainmancj 3 months ago
@mamainmancj the verse you quoted is referring to Creationists and the foolish things they believe.
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
Ugh. This is exactly what Thunderfoot described in one of his videos: It's like a brilliant scientist arguing with a little kid. They are having two different discussions.. COMPLETELY.
Arcexey 5 months ago
I..I..I..I..I..I..Duh..Duh..Duh..Duh..Duh..Duh..Duh...You..You..You..Um..Um.. Studder..Studder...You have moot, invalid failed points and You..You...You..You know it's true that's why you cannot stop studdering.
SugaNutt 5 months ago
@SugaNutt He was probably so aghast at Ray Comfort's wanton stupidity he could barely speak. His points are intelligent, fair, and far more believable than anything Ray Comfort might say. Try speaking to an idiot who flits from one absurd claim to progressively more outrageous ones and see if you can circumvent your disbelief long enough to make what should be a perfectly obvious point comprehensive to such a person.
templar19 5 months ago
WoW!? Ray is making this kid pee his pants and leaving him for the pigs to clean up!
SugaNutt 5 months ago
i cant believe thunderf00t sat there the whole time and listened to that guy never answering his questions this guy has no idea what hes talking about and just ignores the things thunderf00t says but i can understand why hes confused remember this is the guy who tried to say god is real because a banana fits the human hand
arandomatheist 5 months ago
Painters create paintings therefore God created the Universe. hahahaha what?!
ixmassachefxi 5 months ago
@ixmassachefxi And the atheist believes that the painting created itself out of nothing.
99percentatheist 5 months ago
We need a bedrock to attach knowledge to? I got the Rock I need! Its Jesus.
Going from that knowledge (building on the Rock) you will find a solid build ground.
So Atheïsts believe you have to assume some things to get started? Like 'the universe is real'?
We all have our foundation.
Jenosisable 5 months ago
Ray said "You can't make anything from nothing." He just disproved God right there.
websiteusername 5 months ago
@websiteusername He say "YOU can not"… he did not say "GOD can not” there is a difference =]
HolyNinja313 5 months ago
@websiteusername Lol? Key word is "You"
drybomber5 5 months ago
@websiteusername How does that disprove God? God by definition would have to be the only "uncaused cause" that created everything. For anything to be here at all there would have to be an uncaused cause.
24fanbran 5 months ago
@websiteusername For something to be the best explanation of the existence of the Universe you do have to explain it. This means you do not have to explain the EXPLANATION.
infamous681 5 months ago
@infamous681 Huh?
templar19 5 months ago
@templar19 In order for something to be the best explanation (in this case God for creating the Universe), you don't have to explain the explanation.
infamous681 5 months ago
@infamous681 Ah. I think you're missing a 'not' in your first statement. And you're right...but I think the next question is "why is God a more plausible cause of the universe than the Big Bang?"
templar19 5 months ago
@templar19 Because something cannot come out of nothing so an all powerful God beyond time and space is more plausible than the Big Bang.
infamous681 5 months ago
@infamous681 "God BEYOND space and time created the universe" seems LESS plausible than saying "An event BEFORE space and time as we know them created the universe". Two reasons are that, first, although the Big Bang is mysterious, it isn't something supernatural. Second, the Big Bang is something we can in principle learn about and come to understand better...with God, there will always necessarily be something unknowable. The Big Bang seems more explanatorily efficient.
templar19 5 months ago
@infamous681 WHAT ? By all means don't do any serious reseach or thinking you might blow out a brain cell or two !
420gma 4 months ago
@420gma Typical atheist morality attacking Christians.
infamous681 4 months ago
@infamous681 Exactly what are you infamous for ? Being stupid! I'm tired of you people attacking those who don't believe like you do ! Practice your fairytale religion but keep it out our government and public schools! I'm tired of you getting in my face with it !
420gma 4 months ago
@420gma I'm not American nor am I in your face.
infamous681 4 months ago
@infamous681 Why is it everytime somebody disagrees with you christains you cry persecution? If you would just keep your believes to yourselved there would be no problem.Here in America christain think they have to right to run everthing!
420gma 4 months ago
@websiteusername He did exactly that! Also where did their god come from! Where did it originate from nothing ?
420gma 4 months ago
Why is it creationists seem to think even those without faith should have God as the default without any proof yet demand proof for any other option
NicolaMacLeod 5 months ago
why bother, after the whole "it is in scriptures" argument came up?
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
Mr cumfarts a complete idiot.
BizzareCorpse 5 months ago
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Wirwin69 5 months ago
ThanWhat do you mean by the universe could have occurred through a “natural event?” Can you give me a ‘for instance’? From "what" did it “naturally” occur? Again, it looks like you are relying on the magical “nothing” produces “something” myth. Finally, can you give me ANY example of a non-living materials producing living materials? Or even humans creating life from inanimate materials? ONLY the living produces/creates living.
shortjma 5 months ago
@shortjma that natural event that caused the universe is an unknown.For all we know the universe was in such a way that things poped out of no where when it was nowhere. But as it aged the laws oh physics came into play etc. As far as i know no one tries really tries to say they know where the things like the big bang and sigluratiy were caused by
"ONLY the living produces/creates living."
that only beggs the question
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
Thanks for the response. Either the universe 1. Always existed 2. Created itself or 3. Was created by something/someone outside of itself. You have to rule out #1 based on galactic motion, 2nd law of thermodynamics and radiation echo. All point to a start. Even Stephen Hawking agrees the universe had a beginning. Per my previous argument, #2 is not possible as “nothing” can not create “something.” (...continued)
shortjma 5 months ago
How frustrating.
Mrzeede117 5 months ago
If there's a more embarrassing excuse for a human being out there than ray comfort, I haven't heard of 'em.
humanistheart 5 months ago
I'm sure I've made this point before, but why did they spend all their money on a fancy blue back screen and then angle the camrea so that it only covers half the backdrop? They should have spent it on a decent microphone. I suspect there is a better version of this video somewhere, with a professional microphone and a camera that is direct on the blue backdrop.
There has to be, for the sake of all things logical.
ThePsychwardFilms 5 months ago
Matt Dilluahanty (however you spell it) would have smack the fire out Comforts ass.
nextgenvids 5 months ago
@nextgenvids
He did! :D
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MrIssq 5 months ago
@MrIssq Okay let me watch an ass whoopin I'll be back.
nextgenvids 5 months ago
Thunderf00t's very intelligent and well spoken, but his statement at the end is not really true:
"The mere fact that we have language shows that we are a trustworthy species."
He only says that because he assumes language was gradually evolved. But the foremost linguists (Chomsky being one of them) state that language is innate, rather than evolved through the usual mechanisms. So the fact that we have language really doesn't say anything about how we choose (or have chosen) to use it.
specialguy1911 5 months ago
Fuck thunder foot you have to think like a dumb ass to get through to another dumb us.
TheDrewpdog 5 months ago
Are there any intellectually honest atheist? If you truly followed the laws of science, you would know:
1. Nothing can not create something (Law of Conservation). It is physically, philosophically and scientifically impossible.
2. The universe is expanding. Evidence it had a beginning. Since "nothing can not create the universe," it had to have been “created” by “something.” 3. That “something” had to be living.Science has never observed a "non-living matter's creation of a living matter."
kswarner14 5 months ago
@kswarner14
1. Atheistic theories don't break the laws of conservation.
2. Yes, it's apparently expanding, Yes It theoretically could have had a beginning - What makes you think it was a creator? -thunderf00ts already been through the whole 'i came across a thing in a desert' scenario.
3. Why do you think it would have to be living, it could have been a natural occurring event.
4. No we haven't and because of point 3, nothing has had to break the laws of point 1 either.
MrTaigyou 5 months ago
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Oops. I posted under shortjma by accident. Here is my reply.
Thanks for the response. Either the universe 1. Always existed 2. Created itself or 3. Was created by something/someone outside of itself. You have to rule out #1 based on galactic motion, 2nd law of thermodynamics and radiation echo. All point to a start. Even Stephen Hawking agrees the universe had a beginning. Per my previous argument, #2 is not possible as “nothing” can not create “something” ...continued
kswarner14 5 months ago
What do you mean by the universe could have occurred through a “natural event?” Can you give me a ‘for instance’? From "what" did it “naturally” occur? Again, it looks like you are relying on the magical “nothing” produces “something” myth. Finally, can you give me ANY example of a non-living materials producing living materials? Or even humans creating life from inanimate materials? ONLY the living produces/creates living.
kswarner14 5 months ago
@kswarner14 There is no evidence in favour of it being created by something that is alive, nor is there evidance of it creating itself, in science we call this an unknown, maybe one day we can figure it out.
I know you're not going to be swayed by any number of arguments I throw at you, so I'm probably better off leaving those for forums, 'cos youtubes word limit doesn't work for this kind of thing.
The theory atm is the singularity event. - natural
in short - universe exploded out from the mid
MrTaigyou 5 months ago
Yeah, it's prob a good thing you tube limits word count or we would all post dissertations. I could not locate much info on theory atm but as I understand, the natural event still does not explain the origin of the mats causing the event. Why is this point ignored? 1. As NO examples of “non-living producing living” nor of “nothing producing something” exists, logic, probability and experience all support that only “living produces living” and only “something produces something.”
kswarner14 5 months ago
@MrTaigyou 2. If scientists claim things are “unknowable” then logically that means there is at least a “possibility” that God created the universe. As you said, we won’t convince each other but my question is this (it’s personal so you don’t have to respond):
kswarner14 5 months ago
@MrTaigyou ): IF it came about that science and logic conclusively gave satisfactory evidence for you that God did create the universe, you, me, etc.; what would you do with that knowledge? Would you ignore it or would you seek to know more of Truth of God even if you didn’t like it? I have enjoyed our interaction and am grateful we live in a nation where we can disagree. Blessings upon you and your family.
kswarner14 5 months ago
@kswarner14 Cheers dude, but I don't need a blessing.
I didn't say "Unknowable". Do - not - put - words - in - my - mouth.
I said "an unknown", the difference being that we are still yet to find an answer, it's something we are working towards, instead of assuming one of the infinite possibilities with no proof.
Asking for proof on 'what created the singularity' is the same as asking 'w/ created god?'. -Scientists are @ work-
If God was proved, sure I would go with it. This requires evidence :(
MrTaigyou 5 months ago
bets now being taken on Ray's attention span....
5 secs - 2 to 1
10 secs - evens
15 secs - 6 to 4
20 secs - 3 to 1
n8style 6 months ago
How does Ray Comfort dress himself every morning?
willmolinar 6 months ago