the same style spear points have been found all over and older than in france. the whole european origin of the bifacial spear head has been debunked. even still, they neglect to factor in cultural, linguistic and other factors. it is sad that people give any of this credibility.
@yien Pentagon, if you don't have anything nice to say, troll somewhere else. I know the Zionists don't like this politically incorect theory, but still keep it civil.
As being part Native I want to say this.... We did take many of the great beast for food and clothing and shelter but when they all vanished it was becouse of the Younger dryus.We believe that life has been rubbed out a few times in our history. We are still here!
I found Clovis cuttings tools in New Mexico just off of Interstate 10,, about ten years ago...... One the size that fit nicely in the palm of my hand.......... I never knew what it was, but I knew they were ancient.............
I found Clovis cuttings tools in New Mexico just off of Interstate 10,, about ten years ago...... One the size that fit nicely in the palm of my hand.......... I never use what it was but I knew they were ancient.............
There are boxes by the thousands in the basements and backrooms of museums.Unviewed and unknown.yet the American Antiquities act prevents folks from surface finding amerind artifacts?When I find a point it is viewed by many handled and studied with great effection.Now tell me wheres the crime and who does it lie with?
following up below: The Solutrean hypothesis claims that there is no evidence of bifacial spear head/blade technology, but recent discoveries in China contradict this claim, weakening the idea that only Solutreans could have introduced and evolved the Clovis point blade
I haven't read any studies stating that Clovis points are found in the East more so than the Western U.S.. The first labeled Clovis points were found in New Mexico (not the East) and are found all over North America, including Washington State, Nevada, Montana and as far south as Venezuela.
Page 260 of the book "the First Americans :The Pleistocene colonization of the new world" says that the majority of Clovis points have been found in the East, meaning that Clovis had more time there than other parts of North America
Which would be the shorter distance to eastern North America China or Iberia/France
no one is disputing the fact that the land bridge is shorter but the evidence doesn't lie. If the clovis was brought through there, the evidence would be as well. But it just is not. And when they dig beyond the clovis layer they find solutrean like points. You do the math.
No you misunderstood me, considering also that the sea levels were lower than they are at present, making an atlantic crossing a vastly closer distance than beringia or obviousely China. The atlantic crossing has been done plenty of times before cristobal Colon, most frequently by Iberian or British Isle Celts.
This evidence is being covered up for some very important reasons
Meaning Europe is a shorter distance than Beringia to Eastern North America
James Adovasio book "The First Americans" is an interesting read, especially when he discussed the Clovis wars, and how your career is greatly jeopardized when you find evidence that destroys Clovis First Dogma
@Lochiel36: It's possible, but is it likely. That's the real question. If Clovis, and any other pre-Clovis peoples did make it here, where did they go? Were they also victims of the Pleistocene extinctions and the Americas re-populated by migrants from Asia? Is there any genetic evidence from extant native populations today that will support this hypothesis? So far, I've not seen it. What I have seen is that the preponderance of genetic data shows a Siberian Asian source population.
Magick There is speculation that the so called "Clovis Comet" wiped out much of the large fauna & possibly allot of the pre-clovis peoples Kennwick man's damage shows a population under attack
Haploid X but the upholders of Dogma are attacking that
Where did the stone builders & writers of the ancient Celts found all over the NE USA disappear too?
Look at Rhodesia in a couple of hundred years most of the traces of White civilization there will be obliterated
15,000 BC - 20,000 BC Bi-facial spearpoints have been discovered in Northern mainland China this past year in Shandong and they bear strong similarities to the Clovis point (as well as Solutrean blades). The Solutrean hypothesis posits that there was no evidence of Clovis-like bifacial spearpoints or blades.
"This is war" comments are about the dumbest I have ever heard,I believe he still thinks the world is flat and that fossils were put on the earth by the devil to fool us.
I have not read such trash in a long time.
Sorry to remind you but the white races were the biggest genocidal freaks the world has ever known.
Millions upon millions killed either for greed or in the name of some so called god!
the only time HISTORY 'needs to be written' is when it fits with preconcieved and racial ideas of the white scholars and such.LOOK europan ppl nearly genocided native americans and stole the land ,what bloody else do they want?now it's twisting DNA facts purely for racial reasons,and ppl are dum enuff to buy it.
Actually these FACTS have been known for a long time.. It's not politically correct to say that white people were here first.. or else we would've heard about this a long time ago.. I have stopped living with white guilt.. I am not a racist. but why is it that white people are not allowed to be prideful? WE WERE HERE 1st .... Deal with it....lol
WE WERE HERE 1st?I have stopped living with white guilt?It's not politically correct?I am not a racist?your ndngiver buddy seconds you dude he doesn't sound 'politically correct ' either
It is a shame the "science" of this video is riddled within psuedo science and brash assumptions.
This is less a documentary and more a cinematic appeal to a particular group of people with little to no understanding of scientific theory and archaeological process.
They aren't arguing who is native they are arguing who immigrated first. The "native" americans aren't even native they came across the bering strait from asia.
I know we all came from africa but we are distinct separate races and subraces now, yes we are of the same species but not the same race. My point is that "native" americans are just as racist and nationalistic as euroamericans.
maybe if our ancestors didn't rape and slaughter their ancestors they wouldn't hate us so much. not to mention what we did to their culture and what is still going on
You do realize that the different "native" tribes were raping, slaughtering and enslaving each other long before the Europeans came to the Americas. There culture was primitive, they didn't even have land ownership. I'm glad that I have running water, electricity, individual rights and property rights all thanks to white men. Stop degrading your own race, no other race or culture does that. You are an embarassment.
OK so if someone else does something that makes it ok. That is really intelligent. There culture was not primitive and you sound like a racist to me and this is why they hate you. If we are such a superior race than why did/do we treat them like dogs. You can educate someone without force and violence. They had a peaceful way of life compared to the europeans. I am proud of my heritage thank you but that doesn't make what they did right. You sound like an uneducated racist american.
and what are the laws of nature to kill and conquer. animals do that for survival and that is what is supposed to seperate us from wild animals. We do not have to kill people to survive. We do not need to exploit other civilizations but we do and it is for money and our own gain. Are those the laws of nature old wise one?
Look at every civilization around the world. How exactly do you think they got there? Who do you think the "native" americans who came from Asia had to kill and conquer? Yes it is the laws of nature it is unpleasant but true.
@xxdiogenescynicxx - im glad i'm not a white racist like u.i hear this shit all the time.mind your own fukken business and leave my culture alone and keep your bullshit to yourself.
What's your point. You think that because you have running water, electricity, and "individual rights," that this makes your culture better than anothers? Your idea of "individual rights" is a smear on the freedom these proud people once enjoyed.
Well, besides the fact that the topic of culture vs. culture is almost entirely subjective, I would have to say you are misguided. If a people or nation is happy as they are, then you are an ethnocentric ass to say that your way is better, especially if your happiness and freedom came at the cost of anothers.
@akichita87 If you think it is entirely subjective why don't you live in the congo where they live in mud huts and still eat each other. I'm sure you would find that culturally enriching.
"Savages we call them, because their manners differ from ours, which we think the perfection of civility. They think the same of theirs. Perhaps if we could examine the manners of different nations with impartiality, we should find no people so rude as to be without rules of politeness, nor any so polite as not to have some remains of rudeness." -Benjamin Franklin
@xxdiogenescynicxx PRIMATIVE?!?!?! can u blame global warming/carbon tax and 9-11 on native americans? LOL you are a tool its pretty clear. "thanks to the white man?!" you're an idiot. individual and property rights?!? obama will take care of that with martial law. oh yea wasnt he supposed to bring troops home, oh yeah the US is civillizing more ppl with mcdonalds & ipods. u r an embarassment to yourself. try the other guys shoes,rather than selling sweatshop shoes, uninformed TOOL! ur a waste.
@xxdiogenescynicxx. Your definition of primitive is idiotic, as is your summary of Native American history. for the benefit of everybody else, SHHHHH.
@IamMohawk thank, what do you think would be the right word? IDK I mean I hate what my ancestors did, I couldn't imagine how I would feel if it happened TO my ancestors.
That said, I cannot definitively say that humans were not blameless in the deterioration. But we have an extinction of over 30 genera in a relatively short period of time. Some have asserted that a comet impacted the Laurentide Ice Sheet around 10,800 years ago. They say that the continental-wide projectile point of the Clovis complex is a remnant of a big-game-hunting lifeway. I don't think we have nough evidence to argue this, so I am extremely interested in Paleoindian/Clovis sites.
This impact 10.800 ya was the reason for a bad climate for the next 800 years they said. Cold freshwater run into the Atlantic ocean and the Gulf Stream colapsed. Cold sandstorms followed and covered the grass and plains of N-America and this could be the reason, why herbivores died out and the predators too. A high number of this mega fauna disappeared and the first hunters had to go to the westcoast. I am very interested in the first Americans, Peter Austria
Hey, now I am a graduate student at the most prominent Paleoindian-focused university in the country. I can tell you that the archaeological, paleontological, and biological communities do not agree on why the Pleistocene megafauna disappeared. In my opinion, there were simply far too many climatic fluctuations going on at the time to rule out climate as a primary factor.
i watched a doc. about the roman collussium and the massive amount of animals used to feed to blood-lust of the plebians and nobles, not to mention this went on for CENTURIES!!!this can explain why biblical animals are no longer 'biblical animals' but extinct memories.
Amen, that is why knowledge in not about stopping the information seeking, but accepting the fact we are still nothing and know nothing of the whole picture we call our human existence.
Yeah, Gawd damn... They were french.. that is why they looked so much like Asians... The genetics were bullshit...
micers 1 month ago
the same style spear points have been found all over and older than in france. the whole european origin of the bifacial spear head has been debunked. even still, they neglect to factor in cultural, linguistic and other factors. it is sad that people give any of this credibility.
yien 4 months ago in playlist solutrean
@yien Pentagon, if you don't have anything nice to say, troll somewhere else. I know the Zionists don't like this politically incorect theory, but still keep it civil.
DracoPilamZ 3 weeks ago
"Bifacial" Sounds a bit rude. Good visual though.
wanker4761 5 months ago
Burn all the history books an start over the only thing that should be called a clovis is that dryed up lake.
Lenape84 9 months ago
Whatever moron posted that Joseph Prophet noncense as a responce video to this needs to go find a cave somewhere and get lost in it......
MrShamelessone 10 months ago
As being part Native I want to say this.... We did take many of the great beast for food and clothing and shelter but when they all vanished it was becouse of the Younger dryus.We believe that life has been rubbed out a few times in our history. We are still here!
IamMohawk 1 year ago
I found Clovis cuttings tools in New Mexico just off of Interstate 10,, about ten years ago...... One the size that fit nicely in the palm of my hand.......... I never knew what it was, but I knew they were ancient.............
dkickdrum 1 year ago
I found Clovis cuttings tools in New Mexico just off of Interstate 10,, about ten years ago...... One the size that fit nicely in the palm of my hand.......... I never use what it was but I knew they were ancient.............
dkickdrum 1 year ago
There are boxes by the thousands in the basements and backrooms of museums.Unviewed and unknown.yet the American Antiquities act prevents folks from surface finding amerind artifacts?When I find a point it is viewed by many handled and studied with great effection.Now tell me wheres the crime and who does it lie with?
gtrpkr1 1 year ago
I thought the first Americans were Torka and his wife Lonit???
LOL
CSATexan 1 year ago 3
I have a Clovis point that i found in Alabama. I have 3 actually.
kwajalein321 1 year ago
following up below: The Solutrean hypothesis claims that there is no evidence of bifacial spear head/blade technology, but recent discoveries in China contradict this claim, weakening the idea that only Solutreans could have introduced and evolved the Clovis point blade
Malocosa 2 years ago
then how to you explain the fact that most clovis points are found in the east, not the west if they came from asia.
darkcolmar 2 years ago
I haven't read any studies stating that Clovis points are found in the East more so than the Western U.S.. The first labeled Clovis points were found in New Mexico (not the East) and are found all over North America, including Washington State, Nevada, Montana and as far south as Venezuela.
Malocosa 2 years ago
Really? I know the folsom point is found all over the contanent but not the clovis unless they now have been lumped together.
darkcolmar 2 years ago
Page 260 of the book "the First Americans :The Pleistocene colonization of the new world" says that the majority of Clovis points have been found in the East, meaning that Clovis had more time there than other parts of North America
Which would be the shorter distance to eastern North America China or Iberia/France
Shorter distance is more logical
Lochiel36 2 years ago
no one is disputing the fact that the land bridge is shorter but the evidence doesn't lie. If the clovis was brought through there, the evidence would be as well. But it just is not. And when they dig beyond the clovis layer they find solutrean like points. You do the math.
darkcolmar 2 years ago
No you misunderstood me, considering also that the sea levels were lower than they are at present, making an atlantic crossing a vastly closer distance than beringia or obviousely China. The atlantic crossing has been done plenty of times before cristobal Colon, most frequently by Iberian or British Isle Celts.
This evidence is being covered up for some very important reasons
Lochiel36 2 years ago
I realized that after I posted, I greatly apologize.
You're right that sea levels were indeed lower but the atlantic journey being shorter/ Not sure about friend. Certainly shorter than it is today.
Orthodoxy tends to do that.
pop over to my channel. I've done a two part vid on this subject. Please watch and discuss.
darkcolmar 2 years ago
Meaning Europe is a shorter distance than Beringia to Eastern North America
James Adovasio book "The First Americans" is an interesting read, especially when he discussed the Clovis wars, and how your career is greatly jeopardized when you find evidence that destroys Clovis First Dogma
Lochiel36 2 years ago
@Lochiel36: It's possible, but is it likely. That's the real question. If Clovis, and any other pre-Clovis peoples did make it here, where did they go? Were they also victims of the Pleistocene extinctions and the Americas re-populated by migrants from Asia? Is there any genetic evidence from extant native populations today that will support this hypothesis? So far, I've not seen it. What I have seen is that the preponderance of genetic data shows a Siberian Asian source population.
magick205 2 years ago
Magick There is speculation that the so called "Clovis Comet" wiped out much of the large fauna & possibly allot of the pre-clovis peoples Kennwick man's damage shows a population under attack
Haploid X but the upholders of Dogma are attacking that
Where did the stone builders & writers of the ancient Celts found all over the NE USA disappear too?
Look at Rhodesia in a couple of hundred years most of the traces of White civilization there will be obliterated
Lochiel36 2 years ago
15,000 BC - 20,000 BC Bi-facial spearpoints have been discovered in Northern mainland China this past year in Shandong and they bear strong similarities to the Clovis point (as well as Solutrean blades). The Solutrean hypothesis posits that there was no evidence of Clovis-like bifacial spearpoints or blades.
Malocosa 2 years ago
"This is war" comments are about the dumbest I have ever heard,I believe he still thinks the world is flat and that fossils were put on the earth by the devil to fool us.
I have not read such trash in a long time.
Sorry to remind you but the white races were the biggest genocidal freaks the world has ever known.
Millions upon millions killed either for greed or in the name of some so called god!
davidac01 2 years ago
HAha Hellz yea homie fuk white people and their wack ass religions
smellanalan 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
In one single day, most of all the creatures on Earth died, I believe that was about 10,800 years ago, and that may be the event they are seeing.
It was an encounter with a large object that orbits our sun in a very elliptical orbit, once every 3,600 years.
This is all covered in the old History of our People, and there should be many who know this.
ThisIsWar14 2 years ago
White Humans settled all the land of Earth thousands of years ago.
The Central African creatures did not leave the remote areas of Central Africa until recently, in our history.
In a short time the Central Africa creatures have invaded and destroyed the White Civilizations all around the world.
Our last remaining Nations are in Jeopardy today!
ThisIsWar14 2 years ago
11,500 younger dryus?
IamMohawk 2 years ago
the only time HISTORY 'needs to be written' is when it fits with preconcieved and racial ideas of the white scholars and such.LOOK europan ppl nearly genocided native americans and stole the land ,what bloody else do they want?now it's twisting DNA facts purely for racial reasons,and ppl are dum enuff to buy it.
interstellarwonder 2 years ago
Actually these FACTS have been known for a long time.. It's not politically correct to say that white people were here first.. or else we would've heard about this a long time ago.. I have stopped living with white guilt.. I am not a racist. but why is it that white people are not allowed to be prideful? WE WERE HERE 1st .... Deal with it....lol
younwhosarmy 2 years ago
WE WERE HERE 1st?I have stopped living with white guilt?It's not politically correct?I am not a racist?your ndngiver buddy seconds you dude he doesn't sound 'politically correct ' either
interstellarwonder 2 years ago
i second that buddy!!!!
ndngiver80 2 years ago
It is a shame the "science" of this video is riddled within psuedo science and brash assumptions.
This is less a documentary and more a cinematic appeal to a particular group of people with little to no understanding of scientific theory and archaeological process.
leqesai 2 years ago
i second that buddy!!
interstellarwonder 2 years ago
Damn it seems like everyone wants to be native american the jews, the whites the asians and even some blacks. lol.
sickbasterd123 3 years ago
They aren't arguing who is native they are arguing who immigrated first. The "native" americans aren't even native they came across the bering strait from asia.
xxdiogenescynicxx 2 years ago
The "native" americans aren't even native? what are you then? if not some ignoramus
interstellarwonder 2 years ago
The "native" americans came from Asia.
xxdiogenescynicxx 2 years ago 3
euro-americans came from africa
interstellarwonder 2 years ago
I know we all came from africa but we are distinct separate races and subraces now, yes we are of the same species but not the same race. My point is that "native" americans are just as racist and nationalistic as euroamericans.
xxdiogenescynicxx 2 years ago 2
there is no actual proof anyone came from africa cept africans
interstellarwonder 2 years ago
shut up dumb fuck haha thats the stupidest shit ive ever heard
smellanalan 2 years ago
shutup dumfuck?i don't give a shit what you think
interstellarwonder 2 years ago
maybe if our ancestors didn't rape and slaughter their ancestors they wouldn't hate us so much. not to mention what we did to their culture and what is still going on
ROTTIMAN31 2 years ago
You do realize that the different "native" tribes were raping, slaughtering and enslaving each other long before the Europeans came to the Americas. There culture was primitive, they didn't even have land ownership. I'm glad that I have running water, electricity, individual rights and property rights all thanks to white men. Stop degrading your own race, no other race or culture does that. You are an embarassment.
xxdiogenescynicxx 2 years ago
OK so if someone else does something that makes it ok. That is really intelligent. There culture was not primitive and you sound like a racist to me and this is why they hate you. If we are such a superior race than why did/do we treat them like dogs. You can educate someone without force and violence. They had a peaceful way of life compared to the europeans. I am proud of my heritage thank you but that doesn't make what they did right. You sound like an uneducated racist american.
ROTTIMAN31 2 years ago
Actually I am very educated. You obviously do not understand the laws of nature.
xxdiogenescynicxx 2 years ago
and what are the laws of nature to kill and conquer. animals do that for survival and that is what is supposed to seperate us from wild animals. We do not have to kill people to survive. We do not need to exploit other civilizations but we do and it is for money and our own gain. Are those the laws of nature old wise one?
ROTTIMAN31 2 years ago
Look at every civilization around the world. How exactly do you think they got there? Who do you think the "native" americans who came from Asia had to kill and conquer? Yes it is the laws of nature it is unpleasant but true.
xxdiogenescynicxx 2 years ago 10
@xxdiogenescynicxx - im glad i'm not a white racist like u.i hear this shit all the time.mind your own fukken business and leave my culture alone and keep your bullshit to yourself.
interstellarwonder 2 years ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx
What's your point. You think that because you have running water, electricity, and "individual rights," that this makes your culture better than anothers? Your idea of "individual rights" is a smear on the freedom these proud people once enjoyed.
akichita87 1 year ago
@akichita87 Of course it does.
xxdiogenescynicxx 1 year ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx
Well, besides the fact that the topic of culture vs. culture is almost entirely subjective, I would have to say you are misguided. If a people or nation is happy as they are, then you are an ethnocentric ass to say that your way is better, especially if your happiness and freedom came at the cost of anothers.
akichita87 1 year ago
@akichita87 If you think it is entirely subjective why don't you live in the congo where they live in mud huts and still eat each other. I'm sure you would find that culturally enriching.
xxdiogenescynicxx 1 year ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx
"Savages we call them, because their manners differ from ours, which we think the perfection of civility. They think the same of theirs. Perhaps if we could examine the manners of different nations with impartiality, we should find no people so rude as to be without rules of politeness, nor any so polite as not to have some remains of rudeness." -Benjamin Franklin
akichita87 1 year ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx PRIMATIVE?!?!?! can u blame global warming/carbon tax and 9-11 on native americans? LOL you are a tool its pretty clear. "thanks to the white man?!" you're an idiot. individual and property rights?!? obama will take care of that with martial law. oh yea wasnt he supposed to bring troops home, oh yeah the US is civillizing more ppl with mcdonalds & ipods. u r an embarassment to yourself. try the other guys shoes,rather than selling sweatshop shoes, uninformed TOOL! ur a waste.
DJSIMPLYP 1 year ago
@xxdiogenescynicxx. Your definition of primitive is idiotic, as is your summary of Native American history. for the benefit of everybody else, SHHHHH.
slickchicky007 1 year ago
@ROTTIMAN31 You are so right but hate is not the word!
IamMohawk 1 year ago
@IamMohawk thank, what do you think would be the right word? IDK I mean I hate what my ancestors did, I couldn't imagine how I would feel if it happened TO my ancestors.
ROTTIMAN31 1 year ago
Have these guys ever heard of, "independent innovation?!" It does happen...
eggsandwich8885 3 years ago
Good point!
LI0N0FTHEBRAVE 3 years ago 2
That said, I cannot definitively say that humans were not blameless in the deterioration. But we have an extinction of over 30 genera in a relatively short period of time. Some have asserted that a comet impacted the Laurentide Ice Sheet around 10,800 years ago. They say that the continental-wide projectile point of the Clovis complex is a remnant of a big-game-hunting lifeway. I don't think we have nough evidence to argue this, so I am extremely interested in Paleoindian/Clovis sites.
midesti 3 years ago
This impact 10.800 ya was the reason for a bad climate for the next 800 years they said. Cold freshwater run into the Atlantic ocean and the Gulf Stream colapsed. Cold sandstorms followed and covered the grass and plains of N-America and this could be the reason, why herbivores died out and the predators too. A high number of this mega fauna disappeared and the first hunters had to go to the westcoast. I am very interested in the first Americans, Peter Austria
Ixtulu 2 years ago
Hey, now I am a graduate student at the most prominent Paleoindian-focused university in the country. I can tell you that the archaeological, paleontological, and biological communities do not agree on why the Pleistocene megafauna disappeared. In my opinion, there were simply far too many climatic fluctuations going on at the time to rule out climate as a primary factor.
midesti 3 years ago
Exactly.
leqesai 2 years ago
i watched a doc. about the roman collussium and the massive amount of animals used to feed to blood-lust of the plebians and nobles, not to mention this went on for CENTURIES!!!this can explain why biblical animals are no longer 'biblical animals' but extinct memories.
interstellarwonder 2 years ago
where did you go to school bro
smellanalan 2 years ago
Great video. As soon as scientist can get away from the traditions they believe to be true, the sooner we can learn the truth.
Can you post a video response to #2 so we can click on it and go directly to the second video?
fairldsorg 3 years ago
Ok, I'll see what I can do. Thank you.
riversideharp 3 years ago
"distictive two sided spear heads"
It is amazing the more information we look at the better are conclusions become!
osmiolos 3 years ago
Amen, that is why knowledge in not about stopping the information seeking, but accepting the fact we are still nothing and know nothing of the whole picture we call our human existence.
Thank you for your comments.
riversideharp 3 years ago
"but accepting the fact we are still nothing and know nothing of the whole picture we call our human existence. "
very true. The more I learn the more I learn that I don't know much!
osmiolos 3 years ago
@osmiolos CLOVISPOINTS ARE FOUND IN EVERY STATE LIKE PENNIES
thoostorm4 1 year ago