Is God the Author of Sin? Calvinism Refuted! Full Length!

[alexandria7410]

All I hear in this video is personal opinion... no scripture to back it up and even the scarce scriptures that are mentioned are completely pulled out of context. Man-centered theology at its finest.

#calvinism=accurategospelprese­ntation

[MrSlippin22]

we lost free will after the fall of Adam and eve. Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned.

Romans 8:20 against its (Human) will, all creation was subjected to God's curse. But with eager hope,(The eager Hope is Jesus Christ who was crucified on a tree to save us )

now its Gods will. John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me

[MrSlippin22]

Use the word of God to support your free will not sinful deprived Human beings

[MrSlippin22]

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

Romans 9: 10-21 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger." Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."(THEY DID NOTHING)

[MrSlippin22]

Proverbs 1:26 So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you when disaster overtakes you

[blakodeel]

"Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" Romans 9:19-21

"Free" will= "Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth.." 1 Timothy 6:5

[patricks916]

All the scriptures in this video would out way those of chronicle watch. We must weigh all the scriptures together not a handful of versus. I honestly desire the truth of the Word. First off as in 1 John he explains what eternal life is, if a person is not in the truth walking in it, how can he speak of knowing Gods character and expect people to believe when he has no witness from God that their is no sin in his life.

[Vainslain]

Those verses you gave that counters calvinists lies are right on spot. I have to mark them in my bible. Calvinists love their Confessions and Decrees which is nothing more than man's tradition.

[chroniclewatch]

Judges 9:22-24 When Abimelech had reigned three years over Israel, Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech: That the cruelty done to the threescore and ten sons of Jerubbaal might come, and their blood be laid upon Abimelech their brother, which slew them; and upon the men of Shechem, which aided him in the killing of his brethren.

[chroniclewatch]

*Deut. 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

* Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

* John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

* Rom. 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

[hoisinb1]

I feel you are using human philosophy to argue a heavenly idea. Instead of quoting highly debatable historical figures and statements to prove your philosophical point, it may be more beneficial to argue using the Bible. Hollow philosophy is entirely unconvincing.

[hoisinb1]

@hoisinb1 Note: i didn't say you were wrong. I just haven't come to a conclusion about the subject myself, and am looking for some Biblical basis for the argument that God is not the author of sin.

[OpenAirOutreach]

I receive emails from Pastors and believers from all over the country who say that they really were blessed by this video! Praise God!

[chroniclewatch]

@OpenAirOutreach That is because they do not want to know the truth. Man is depraved in mind and no one seeketh after God, not one. Romans 3:10-11 KJV As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

You dont choose God, He chooses you. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. The word draw means to drag. God will drag you.

[grady1610]

@chroniclewatch Yes, that scripture means much to me. I never felt I was seeking God but he choose me. I was only reading the bible to answer my sons questions about God since I knew nothing. Next thing I knew I had Gods' Spirit. I didn't see that comming.

[ShownMercy]

What a glorious day it will be when the liars of the world, those who bear false witness, will endure their judgement once and for all. The constant mis-representation of Calvinism on youtube will bear its consequences. None of the Confessions offer that "God is the author of sin", yet people like this man show the lying intent of their heart, and expose their true nature. Judgement will be served for every slanderous murderer in due time.

[Str8Talker365]

@ShownMercy

Evidently you didn't watch the video. And if you did, you didn't understand that Calvinism most certainly teaches that God is the author of sin by its insistence that NOTHING happens without God DECREEING it. Either you really aren't a Calvinist or you don't understand the tenets of Calvinism, because they DO force the evil and unbiblical idea that God is the author of sin, which is a denigration of the character of the God. The god of Calvinism NOT the God of the Bible.

[ShownMercy]

@Str8Talker365.. Produce one creed or Reformed confession of the Church that states that God is the Author of sin... I'm not interested in your opinion of Calvinism. Produce documentary evidence of the CHURCH that states God is the author of sin. Your search will be in vain. And I will state again,, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION. If your going to correspond with me, please practice a little self control in not posting cliche statements concerning "the god of calvinism"..

[Str8Talker365]

@ShownMercy

I'm not interested in my opinion of Calvinism either. But I am interested in God's opinion of it. God speaks for Himself very plainly in scripture, making John Calvin's 1800 pages of insane diatribe ("Institutes") ANTI-BIBLICAL HERESY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

Also, I'm not obliged to "produce" for you any creed or Reformed confession, as I never mentioned it in my comment to you.

Finally, since when does telling the truth constitute lack of "self-control"?!

[ShownMercy]

@Str8Talker365... And here we are again.. You producing OPINIONS such as "Anti-biblical heresy of the highest order"... Is this how you argue your positions? I suggest abandoning blanketing statements such as the former. You've expressed your OPINION with no biblical support whatsoever. Funny stuff kiddo.

[Str8Talker365]

“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who HEARS MY WORD, and BELIEVES Him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but HAS PASSED OUT OF DEATH INTO LIFE.” John 5:24

BELIEF PRECEDEDS "LIFE".

[Str8Talker365]

@ShownMercy

What's even funnier is that so far I've only read your opinions coupled with ad hominem attacks, both of which have proven nothing so far.

The fact that “regeneration” (Gk. paliggenesia, meaning “renovation”) occurs ONLY TWICE in the New Testament is a signal that it should not be a term used with any more vigor than scripture uses it. That "regeneration" occurs PRIOR to belief is a foreign idea to scripture. SEE John 5:24.

[OpenAirOutreach]

@ShownMercy I gave quotes in the video from John Calvin, Martin Luther, James White, and other reformers that show that Calvinists do teach that God is the author of sin. Watch the video!

[OpenAirOutreach]

@ShownMercy Are you saying that John Calvin misrepresented Calvinism in the quotes I gave of him?

[OpenAirOutreach]

@ShownMercy Or are you saying that James White misrepresented Calvinism, by saying that child rape was the will of God?

[megame23]

praise the wonderful god who gave us free will

[chroniclewatch]

@megame23 You dont choose God. John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

John 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

To the chosen, not all.

[prn72271]

This is a great video, well done!

[MrOphachew]

Christ himself founded his Church and doctrines in 33a.d. and John Calvin didn't come along until the 1500's. There is 1500 years of time and events that needs to be filled it.

[PmiCenter]

This is the best refutation of Calvinism I've ever seen. Grand job brothers!!

[violetember]

Where did you film this? I like that backdrop way more than those bookshelf ones or personal library ones that people usually choose as a backdrop...which I guess is supposed to make them look more educated.

[bibletheology]

@violetember It was in the woods. At a park. On a trial.

[saudertim1]

How could anyone not see that this is the truth? You have to be deceived by the devil himself not to see that this is truth.

[callofchrist]

@bibletheology: Anyway , I am bowing out of this thread.. it is a waste of time and I am not particularly interested in fighting a straw man. Peace.

[servantanna]

The Bible never specifies how evil came into the world, so any theories on the subject are strictly human theories. In terms of predestination and free will, the Bible teaches both. Acts 13:48 says "As many as had been appointed (predestination) believed (free will). John 1:12 says believers are given the right to become the children of God (free will); John 1:13 says this belief comes not by the will of men or flesh (predestination). God's and man's perspectives are in view here.

[Brucev7]

@servantanna Good points. 

[bibletheology]

Is God the author of everything? “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace” (1 Cor. 14:33). Clearly, God is not the "sovereign" cause of all things.

[parisreidhead]

Awesome video !

[callofchrist]

"All things work together for good for those that love the Lord, who are called according to His purpose..."

All things are not good, but everything works for good in the end for God and His Church.

God allowed Satan to test Job. God hardened Pharaoh's heart... God foreknew and used the betrayal of Jesus for good "“Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus.")

[bibletheology]

@callofchrist It is one thing to say that God works all things together, and another thing to say that all things are the work of God. God works with all things, but God does not cause all things. Big difference. The Bible rightly says that God works with all things, and can even incorporate the wickedness of man into his plans and turn it around for good. But Calvinism falsely says that God causes all things, makes men wicked, and that God is good nonetheless.

[bibletheology]

God was even able to use Joseph' betrayal (Gen. 50:20) God can work with the situations that He is given and them incorporate into His plans. But that does not mean that God controls or causes the free moral choices of men. We have a God who “worketh all things after the counsel of his own will” (Eph. 1:11) He can make “all things work together for the good of them that love God” (Rom. 8:28). God works with all things. It is one thing to work with all things and quite another to cause all things

[bibletheology]

@callofchrist In your view, God predestined me to make this video. I had no choice in the matter. And my supposed "straw-man" itself was caused by God. So don't be upset with me. Be upset with God. You apparently hate His sovereign plan. You are coming against His secret will.

[callofchrist]

@bibletheology That's ridiculous! You are arguing nonsense! Your silly statements show that you do not even understand Reformed theology and are fighting the Straw Man of your own making! You couldn't even respond coherently to a small portion of the beginning of just one of the major Confessions, showing your absolute ignorance of just what Reformed theology is about!

Have fun arguing with yourself, because that's all you are doing! Hyper-Calvinism is all you are fighting & we don't hold that

[bibletheology]

@callofchrist

I used to be a Calvinist. And I've been studying Reformed Theology for ten years. How long have you been a Calvinist? Maybe I know the truth about Calvinism that you are still apparently ignorant of.

[callofchrist]

@bibletheology considering the fact you didn't understand that snippet from the WCF, I cannot believe you studied very well.

[bibletheology]

@callofchrist Is God the author of everything? “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace” (1 Cor. 14:33). Clearly, God is not the "sovereign" cause of all things.

[MrSlippin22]

Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.

Psalm 25:12 Who, then, is the man that fears the LORD? He will instruct him in the way chosen for him. (God chooses there way not them)

Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. 

[callofchrist]

sorry about the duplicate posts... still getting used to the Reply function :(

[callofchrist]

To refute this video, all one has to do is read the Westminster Confession of Faith.

(Chapters I - XV are very pertinent to showing that the claims of this video are false)

"...as the sinfulness thereof proceeds only from the creature, and not from God, who, being most holy and righteous, neither is nor can be the author or approver

[bibletheology]

@callofchrist

All that shows is that the Westminster contradicts itself, as they say that God "decreed whatsoever cometh to pass."

They might object to the phrase "God is the author of sin" but they certainly do not object to the concept.

[callofchrist]

@bibletheology you need to understand what the Confession says about "decreed"

Stop taking it out of context! It starts out line one saying:

God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.

2nd causes = Human Beings

[bibletheology]

@callofchrist: these are the blasphemous statements this video refutes:

John Calvin said, “Whatever things are done wrongly and unjustly by man, these very things are the right and just works of God.”

Martin Luther said, “Since, therefore, God moves and does all in all, He necessarily moves and does all in Satan and the wicked man…”

He also said, “God worketh all things in all men even wickedness in the wicked"

[Americanluvunit]

@bibletheology The Tree of Life has two polarities, both of which are controlled by The First Motion. In layman terms, yes. God is the author of wickedness.

[bibletheology]

@callofchrist

If human beings are the "2nd cause" of sin, then you are saying that GOD is the "1st cause" of sin!

[callofchrist]

@bibletheology here is your problem. For you to even make such a statement shows you don't even understand Reformed theology OR the Westminster Confession of Faith. If I have to explain to you what that quote I posted above means, you don't even understand what it says, because it does NOT say God is the 1st Cause of Sin or that Man is the 2nd. It is saying that human beings have a will and are 2nd causes... that sin is from 2nd Cause, not God. God is a Prime Cause. That's a 1st cause

[bibletheology]

@callofchrist

What is so hard for you to understand about these quotes?

John Calvin said, “Whatever things are done wrongly and unjustly by man, these very things are the right and just works of God.”

Martin Luther said, “Since, therefore, God moves and does all in all, He necessarily moves and does all in Satan and the wicked man…”

He also said, “God worketh all things in all men even wickedness in the wicked"

[callofchrist]

@callofchrist If you even understood what you were supposedly arguing against... If you understood about the Causes, and Ordained vs Decreed and what these people's entire theology was, you wouldn't have to rant for an hour and a half refuting what you don't understand! I have already shown you don't. You cannot even read the beginning of the Westminster Confession without tripping and misunderstanding!!!

I would respect your arguments a lot better if they weren't Straw Man.

[bibletheology]

@callofchrist Did Calvin and Luther strawman Calvinism too?

John Calvin said, “Whatever things are done wrongly and unjustly by man, these very things are the right and just works of God.”

Martin Luther said, “Since, therefore, God moves and does all in all, He necessarily moves and does all in Satan and the wicked man…”

He also said, “God worketh all things in all men even wickedness in the wicked"

[callofchrist]

@bibletheology You take a few statements out of a MUCH larger amount of writings and build a Straw Man case. The Bible agrees with these men... you have an agenda because your sensibilities are offended. Deep deep, my friend. I leave you to your preconceptions and ignorance.