@fuzzypeach777 So European settlers came to what's now America and killed the natives for ethanol to power their cars which wouldn't be invented for another 400 years. Good to know. Where exactly did you get history lessons like that? And did the teacher let you take your helmet off? Or did you have to keep it on at all times?
What a lie. Does anyone remember the food riots in Africa because the United States cut it's corn exports? What about sustinance farmers in South American beign forced to grow ethanol crops? Also, corn is one of the most enviornmentally destructive crops in existance. In places where it's overgrown people are starving because the land has been depleted of all nutrients.
@lawstsoul You're so misinformed on so many levels it's hardly worth replying to you. But on the off chance you're more intelligent than your post suggests, I'll give you a clue.
1) Corn exports have increased as ethanol production has increased due to higher yields.
2) Africa is by and large a poor continent. It's not the US government's responsibility to feed them. Nor is it the American farmers' to give their product away.
3) South America doesn't use corn for ethanol. They use sugarcane.
4) Modern farming practices are environmentally friendly. The United States produces more corn than the rest of the world combined and we're not exactly starving. Nor is our soil depleted of nutrients.
also, ethanol from corn produces 50-60% more energy than it uses. cellulosic ethanol produces 80% more energy and is made from agricultural waste. if it really did take more energy to produce ethanol than we get from it, ethanol companies would be bankrupt trying to cover their energy costs. that's clearly not the case.
@richb313 you're a little off. america has millions of acres of idle farmland. the US government actually pays farmers to keep land idle so that commodity prices don't drop too low. there is no food shortage to speak of in this country. if you were to get rid of ethanol, you would only have more idle farmland. and the government would end up paying for it.
Wind. Wind should be the answer, but it's almost like pulling teeth on a shrew.
The midwest is so .. well.. windy!! 2 or 3 mills could sit on not even an acre of land, and supply energy for half of one of those small towns, if not 3 or more of the smaller ones!! Wind people..
No? They have been fought over food which is what ethonal comes from.Even if the strain of corn used is not food it does take acerage to grow it. Ever notice the increased imported vegetables that are in the grocers? Between planting, fertilizer, harvesting, transportation, processing, and transport to refineries it takes as much oil based fuel to produce ethonal as we get from it. Since ethonal yields at least 20% less energy than oil based fuels it is actually a net loss.
Really? The Native Americans just up and walked away when their land was taken from them...?
Government school history lessons bring nonsense like this about.
fuzzypeach777 1 year ago
@fuzzypeach777 So European settlers came to what's now America and killed the natives for ethanol to power their cars which wouldn't be invented for another 400 years. Good to know. Where exactly did you get history lessons like that? And did the teacher let you take your helmet off? Or did you have to keep it on at all times?
vampirebunnyrat 1 year ago
What a lie. Does anyone remember the food riots in Africa because the United States cut it's corn exports? What about sustinance farmers in South American beign forced to grow ethanol crops? Also, corn is one of the most enviornmentally destructive crops in existance. In places where it's overgrown people are starving because the land has been depleted of all nutrients.
lawstsoul 1 year ago
@lawstsoul You're so misinformed on so many levels it's hardly worth replying to you. But on the off chance you're more intelligent than your post suggests, I'll give you a clue.
1) Corn exports have increased as ethanol production has increased due to higher yields.
2) Africa is by and large a poor continent. It's not the US government's responsibility to feed them. Nor is it the American farmers' to give their product away.
3) South America doesn't use corn for ethanol. They use sugarcane.
vampirebunnyrat 1 year ago
4) Modern farming practices are environmentally friendly. The United States produces more corn than the rest of the world combined and we're not exactly starving. Nor is our soil depleted of nutrients.
vampirebunnyrat 1 year ago
@richb313
also, ethanol from corn produces 50-60% more energy than it uses. cellulosic ethanol produces 80% more energy and is made from agricultural waste. if it really did take more energy to produce ethanol than we get from it, ethanol companies would be bankrupt trying to cover their energy costs. that's clearly not the case.
unilingual 1 year ago
@richb313 you're a little off. america has millions of acres of idle farmland. the US government actually pays farmers to keep land idle so that commodity prices don't drop too low. there is no food shortage to speak of in this country. if you were to get rid of ethanol, you would only have more idle farmland. and the government would end up paying for it.
unilingual 1 year ago
@lfcorreia1 Right. Ethanol is renewable. But WIND doesn't NEED to be renewed. just some maintenance on the Windmills!
feed a populace before gassing up the populace.
MorgTheHarbinger 1 year ago
you americans are so stupid. oil isn't renewable, ethanol is. and it can be extracted from preetymuch everything, not just only corn. grow up dudes!
lfcorreia1 1 year ago
@richb313 right on.
Wind. Wind should be the answer, but it's almost like pulling teeth on a shrew.
The midwest is so .. well.. windy!! 2 or 3 mills could sit on not even an acre of land, and supply energy for half of one of those small towns, if not 3 or more of the smaller ones!! Wind people..
MorgTheHarbinger 1 year ago
No? They have been fought over food which is what ethonal comes from.Even if the strain of corn used is not food it does take acerage to grow it. Ever notice the increased imported vegetables that are in the grocers? Between planting, fertilizer, harvesting, transportation, processing, and transport to refineries it takes as much oil based fuel to produce ethonal as we get from it. Since ethonal yields at least 20% less energy than oil based fuels it is actually a net loss.
richb313 1 year ago
apparently these ethanol folks don't own farmland.
MorgTheHarbinger 1 year ago